Re: Fwd: mailing list management

[Rod Whitby]

Mike Hodson wrote:
> Why not reply to all? Because im rather sure I don't want to reply to
> the author twice (as he apparently is on the list) and I don't want to
> reply to anyone else the author sent the mail to.  There appears to be
> no other way to use this client than simply 1 or all, not simply
> 'list'.

I personally prefer that people reply to me on and off list - that means
that when people have something to say to *me* (which they denote by
leaving me in the To: list) as well as the list, as opposed to just
talking to the list (which they denote by just having the list as the
only recipient), then that is highlighted to me by ending up in my INBOX
rather than in the lower priority folder where my mailing list traffic
goes.  Hence I see it immediately, rather than at the time when I batch
read and respond to list traffic.

(In this case I have purposefully taken Mike off the To: list from my
Reply-All, because this comment is directed to the list only, not to him
personally and the list - I have no reason to get into an argument with
him about what he wants to do, I'm just giving an alternate viewpoint to
the list about what someone else might want to do).

-- Rod

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Re: Fwd: mailing list management

[Mike Hodson]

Look I'll vote for not changing the subject line; headers are
wonderful for sorting.

However, when I wish to reply -to the list-, I get a choice of either
-to the sender- or -to the list, sender AND anyone else the bloody
sender sent it to- instead of simply replying -to the list-.

While the wonderful doc that everyone links to regarding why -not- to
munge the reply-to header, they fail to consider the normal way things
work: people discuss list stuff on the bloody list, not off the list,
not to the author only(reply sender), and not to everyone else the
author thought to send a message to (reply-to-all functionality).
Based on this, a -list- is different than a normal message; the -list-
is a discussion group and responses should be filtered into that
group.

For the argument that the person replying will lose the proper path
back to the sender, or mistake sending a personal message to a list,
simply read "from" and manually type that into the "to" field.  If a
person is not using a valid "From" address, yet IS using a valid
Reply-to, then this person is rather strange.

Until my mail client gives me a "reply to list ONLY" command, I vote
for changing reply-to to BE THE LIST.   To the person who said "Learn
to use gmail" well thats nice, when the only way I can -reply to the
list- is to manually delete whatever the hell it decides to shove into
the reply headers, and manually type in [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Why not reply to all? Because im rather sure I don't want to reply to
the author twice (as he apparently is on the list) and I don't want to
reply to anyone else the author sent the mail to.  There appears to be
no other way to use this client than simply 1 or all, not simply
'list'.

My $0.02

Mike

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Re: Fwd: mailing list management

[hank williams]

> Do the people suggesting these changes
> think that they really know better about how this list should be set up?


Yup.
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Re: mailing list management

[Ian Darwin]

Best feature would be a Eliza bot in mailman that automagically goes 
through this discussion without bothering the subscribers to the list :)


Now that's the best contribution to this whole discussion.  Since no 12 
developers will ever agree on subject line munging, top/bottom posting, 
or any other bikeshed issue, a bot to redirect such discussions offline 
and keep the poster(s) amused would be a Good Thing.


Extra points +42 if it can fool the participants into thinking that 
their discussion is being foisted upon the entire list, but not actually 
do so.


Failing that, we'll all have to put "mailing list management" in our 
filter lists :-)


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Re: mailing list management

[Allan Savolainen]

On 15.8.2007, at 0.35, Christian Tschabuschnig wrote:

I am a member of the 'silent majority' - this is my first post - and,
yes, please leave it as it is.


And another 'pls don't change it'. One would think that in this day  
and age all mail clients are able to filter, tag, color and/or  
categorize emails so that everybody should be able to view their  
emails as they please, and if your current email program doesn't  
support these things, write a feature request to the developers, they  
will be happy to add new cool features (like show text '[OpenMoko- 
Community]' in subject lines where any recipient is  
community@lists.openmoko.org or something like that) to their apps.



But what I'm wondering most about this topic is: it was discussed
several times on half of the mailing-lists I'm subscribed to, but the
problem was never solved. But I think that should be easy. Just  
make it

user-configurable. Is it so hard to write that piece of code and
convince the mailman-developers to include into the distribution? If
that would happen, I would never ever see this discussion again. That
would be a relief.


Good idea, just need to make sure that when user X sends email with  
subject '[OpenMoko-Community] should be [OM-C]' mailman might have  
trouble delivering the correct subject line to everybody, depending  
on sender and reciever the subject lines might have [OpenMoko- 
Community] twice, or not at all.


Best feature would be a Eliza bot in mailman that automagically goes  
through this discussion without bothering the subscribers to the list :)


- Allan


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Re: Fwd: mailing list management

[Christian Tschabuschnig]

Jim McDonald wrote:
> Just so that the 'silent majority' don't lose out on this one, I would
> like to point out that there are approximately 1,500 people subscribed
> to this list.  Can we assume that unless we hear from them their vote is
> 'no change'?  There are pros and cons to each system, but anyone who has
> already set up their own filters will have done so on the existing
> system so I suggest we leave it as it is.

I am a member of the 'silent majority' - this is my first post - and,
yes, please leave it as it is.

Having "[OpenMoko-Community]" in front of every subject-line gives me no
additional information, since my mail get's sorted into the respective
folder automatically, but makes the list less readable.

Changing the reply-to is unacceptable. It has always been that simple:
if I press "Reply" I'm writing to the author of the e-mail, if I press
"Reply All" everybody who got the original mail (except BCCs of course)
get's my response. Why should that be different just because the e-mail
got delivered by a mailing-list?

And I don't think that a MTA should be allowed to change any header, if
there isn't a technical necessity.

But what I'm wondering most about this topic is: it was discussed
several times on half of the mailing-lists I'm subscribed to, but the
problem was never solved. But I think that should be easy. Just make it
user-configurable. Is it so hard to write that piece of code and
convince the mailman-developers to include into the distribution? If
that would happen, I would never ever see this discussion again. That
would be a relief.


Christian


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Re: mailing list management

[Scott Rushforth]

Most good mail filters, such as sieve 
(http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/sieve/index.html) provide a _multitude_ of 
ways to filter messages.  Including by headers or recipients (or a 
combination, etc). I highly recommend sieve if you have means to run a 
mail server, or are already are.


cheers
-scott



Ortwin Regel wrote:
Learn to use Gmail. Also it's relevant for everything where you can 
only see the first X letters of a topic in your list of emails. Like 
pretty much every mail client and webmail interface out there. So 
adding the tags to the end of the subject line is a pretty good idea 
which I could live with while adding them to the front would really 
annoy me.


On 8/14/07, *hank williams* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Oops again. That reply to thing is a bitch.

-- Forwarded message --
From: *hank williams* < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Date: Aug 14, 2007 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: mailing list management
To: Daniel Mewes < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>



I
use pager notification for my e-mails and text paging in
Germany has a
very limited message length. 



Wow. now thats a great target design platform for a mailing list. lol.

Hank



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Re: Fwd: mailing list management

[Rod Whitby]

Dean Collins wrote:
> Lol - yep shortly followed by the human race all moving back to wearing
> skins and living in rock caves.

Actually, filtering on Subject is the "caveman" thing to do. :-)

The following headers are *specifically* added by the mailing list
software to enable you to accurately filter your incoming mail:

> Thread-Topic: Fwd: mailing list management
> X-BeenThere: community@lists.openmoko.org
> X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
> Precedence: list
> List-Id: List for OpenMoko community discussion 
> List-Unsubscribe: ,
>   
> List-Archive: 
> List-Post: 
> List-Help: 
> List-Subscribe: ,
>   
> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

You should use one of those.  Why do you think they were added to the
mailman software in the first place?

Subject line real estate is a precious commodity.  It should not be
wasted on information that is already available in the mailing list headers.

On the other mailing list topic (Reply vs Reply-All):

When you receive a mail with one person on the To: line and many people
on the Cc: line - if you just hit "Reply", you expect it to go to the
*one* person on the To: line.  If you hit "Reply-All", you expect it to
go to all the people referenced on the To: and Cc: lines.

A mailing list is conceptually just a very big Cc: line.

If you were to change the behaviour so that Reply went straight to the
mailing list, then there would be no way (other than cutting and pasting
addresses around) to reply to *just* the sender.

My vote is to leave things exactly as they are.  Harald set things up
the way they are based on his experience in being an active participant
in many technical mailing lists.  Do the people suggesting these changes
think that they really know better about how this list should be set up?

-- Rod

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Re: USB host

[Bradley Hook]

**
* Moko   *
**
  | <- USB Mini Jack
  |
  |\ <- Splice the Power from the hub to feed Neo
  | \
  |  \
  | <- USB-B Jack \
**|
*  Hub   *|
**|
|  | <- USB-A (Power from hub)|
|   \_/
|
| <- USB-A Line to standard USB device


I would think this would work to charge the Neo while in host mode. If 
the hub doesn't support a non-powered host, you could always use yet 
another port on the hub to power that connection (creating another 
loop). It would eat up 2 ports on your hub to do this, but I would think 
rigging custom cables is a bit easier than rigging custom hubs.


Just my thoughts.
~Bradley


Giles Jones wrote:

Lars Hallberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :


I'm still not clear over this...

  1) Will it be possible to charge the neo over the usb connection while 
the neo is in host mode. Will that raise special demand on the hub?


It will be if you use a special cable which allows power into the Neo but not 
out of it.

  2) With 4 AAA batteries in the hub You don't want to charge the neo at 
all. If you have wall power You want to fast charge... Can that be 
controlled from the neo, raise any extra demand on the hub?


You would only connect the data lines from the Phone to the hub.

You need a cable which allows power into the phone from a PSU, then supplies a 
hub with the USB data lines.

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Re: Using Qemu

[Mathew Davis]

Ok running through the process again I noticed something I was missing
before.  I am getting the following error
svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svnroot/mokomakefile/trunk/patcher'
svn: PROPFIND of '/svnroot/mokomakefile/trunk/patches':  Not Implemented (
http://svn.nslu2-linux.org)
could that be the problem?


On 8/14/07, John Seghers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  How are you launching QEMU?  I always use the MokoMakefile's "make
> run-qemu" (actually slightly modified to enable USB Networking.)
>
>
>
> The actual command line is:
>
>
>
> /home/moko/build/qemu $ arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm –M neo –m 130 –usb
> –usbgadget –show-cursor –mtdblock openmoko/openmoko-flash.image –kernel
> openmoko/openmoko-kernel.bin
>
>
>
> (note that all of those dashes are single dashes, even though mail
> formatted them as longer than the hyphens….)
>
>
>
> When you move the mouse over the emulator, does the emulator draw a
> cursor?
>
>
>
> - John
>
> PS: if this solves your issue, do post it to the list.
>
>
>   --
>
> *From:* Mathew Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2007 10:12 AM
> *To:* John Seghers
> *Subject:* Re: Using Qemu
>
>
>
> I have tried every imaginable rate of click sloth-slow mamoth-slow slow
> semi-slow medium  medium-fast fast super-fast faster than superman can click
> still not registering a click.  Is there a way I can position the mouse and
> send a click event to the emulator? like a shift alt or something like that?
>
>
> On 8/14/07, *John Seghers* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Jimmy McMillan wrote:
> > Matthew.  I was having the same problems for a while, but I found that
> > after I restarted the ubuntu VM, and started the qemu string (after it
> > was build) it worked fine for me.  You make also wanna do another svn
> > fetch and start from scratch.
>
> Another thing I've found with QEMU in general is: take your time.
> Click and hold it for a second or two.  If you do quick clicks that you're
> used to doing on the desktop, it will often not register at all in the
> emulator.
>
> - John
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Re: mailing list management

[Ortwin Regel]

Learn to use Gmail. Also it's relevant for everything where you can only see
the first X letters of a topic in your list of emails. Like pretty much
every mail client and webmail interface out there. So adding the tags to the
end of the subject line is a pretty good idea which I could live with while
adding them to the front would really annoy me.

On 8/14/07, hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Oops again. That reply to thing is a bitch.
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> Date: Aug 14, 2007 4:52 PM
> Subject: Re: mailing list management
> To: Daniel Mewes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
>  I
> > use pager notification for my e-mails and text paging in Germany has a
> > very limited message length.
>
>
> Wow. now thats a great target design platform for a mailing list. lol.
>
> Hank
>
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Re: Using Qemu

[Mathew Davis]

Ok I am obviously doing something wrong.  I tried re-building the
environment already.  Here are the steps I took so let me know if I missed
something.  First I ran make download-images, I then ran make
flash-qemu-official then I ran make setup and then ran make run-qemu.  It
boots up and get's to the calibration screen.  My black pointer cursor is
bounded by the qemu screen and I click and click and nothing.  I have
restarted qemu and the vm multiple times.  Am I missing a step some where?

  On 8/14/07, Jimmy McMillan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Matthew,
> >
> > Like I said, I had the same problem you are for about a week and
> > finally rebuilt everything as mentioned on the wiki.  Here is my screeny
> >
> > as well as my `history`.
> >
> > http://www.freshstation.org/~mintee/openmoko.jpg
> >
> > Hope that helps
> >
> > Mathew Davis wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Dang reply button well I accidentally sent this just to Jmmy
> > >
> > > I was trying to avoid re-flashing and re-building because it takes so
> > > long to re-start.  So I tried the clicking about a million times, but
> > > no luck so I am trying make download-images and am currently waiting
> > > for the qemu environment to startup again.  If that doesn't work I
> > > will try restarting the ubuntu environment.  Thanks for the help guys.
> > >
> > > UpDate:
> > > I have rebooted the VM still no luck,  So I thought maybe it was the
> > > VM on linux so I moved it over to an XP box still no go.  I tried the
> > > make download-images and got this
> > > [ -e images/openmoko ] || mkdir -p images/openmoko
> > > ln -sf `pwd`/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/env
> > > images/openmoko/env
> > > ( cd images ;
> > > ../openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/download.sh )
> > > Retrieving available builds list...
> > > Kernel is... uImage-2.6-moko10-r2_0_2134_0-fic-gta01.bin
> > > Root filesystem is...
> > > openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070803091138.rootfs.jffs2
> > > U-boot is... u-boot-gta01bv4-r12_0_2632_0.bin
> > >
> > > Now use openmoko/flash.sh to install OpenMoko to NAND Flash.
> > >
> > > rm -f images/openmoko/env
> > > [ -d stamps ] || mkdir stamps
> > > touch stamps/images
> > >
> > >  Now I don't know how to use openmoko/flash.sh so i just ran Make
> > > setup then when that was finished I ran Make run-qemu still no good
> > > what can I do.
> > > On 8/14/07, *Mathew Davis* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > I was trying to avoid re-flashing and re-building because it takes
> > > so long to re-start.  So I tried the clicking about a million
> > > times, but no luck so I am trying make download-images and am
> > > currently waiting for the qemu environment to startup again.  If
> > > that doesn't work I will try restarting the ubuntu environment.
> > > Thanks for the help guys.
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/14/07, *Jimmy McMillan* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Mathew Davis wrote:
> > > > I don't know if this is the right place to ask this or not,
> > I
> > > didn't
> > > > think it was a development question more of a general use
> > > question.  I
> > > > got the Openmoko_Dev VM and I ran through the makefile setup
> > > and got
> > > > qemu up and running by typing make run-qemu, it took forever
> > > but it
> > > > finally booted up into the gui.  I am at the point where it
> > > is asking
> > > > me to calibrate the screen by clicking the crosshair, but I
> > can't
> > > > click it.  Is there something I missed.  I am completly new
> > > to Qemu
> > > > and fairly new to linux although I have some experiance with
> > > it.  So
> > > > is the a conf file I need to edit to get the mouse
> > calibrated
> > > I have
> > > > the mouse inside the emulated window but it just won't let
> > me
> > > click.
> > > > Any help here would be great.  If it's on the wiki I must
> > > have missed
> > > > it so you can send me the link if you like.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > 
> > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matthew.  I was having the same problems for a while, but I
> > > found that

RE: Fwd: mailing list management

[Heilpern, Mark]

No vote != "no change". No vote = don't care.

Personally I don't care, but I don't feel my apathy should lend strength
to one side of the argument or another.

Incidentally, my lack of caring is only relevant to the subject line. I
do feel the reply-to should be changed to reply to the list instead. I
read the page that was linked, suggesting that's a bad idea, and I
disagree.



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 4:26 PM
To: OpenMoko
Subject: Re: Fwd: mailing list management

hank williams wrote:
> Oops. As usual I hit "reply to" and it went to casey personally
>
> Its broken.
Just so that the 'silent majority' don't lose out on this one, I would 
like to point out that there are approximately 1,500 people subscribed 
to this list.  Can we assume that unless we hear from them their vote is

'no change'?  There are pros and cons to each system, but anyone who has

already set up their own filters will have done so on the existing 
system so I suggest we leave it as it is.

Cheers,
Jim.


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Re: mailing list management

[Giles Jones]

On 14 Aug 2007, at 21:35, Dean Collins wrote:

Lol - yep shortly followed by the human race all moving back to  
wearing

skins and living in rock caves.

Doing nothing as a 'reason' is about as dumb as you can get.


They have the discussions all the time on the Linux Kernel list,  
people asking why don't we use C++, why don't we tag emails etc..


Are you saying that list is stone age? it's not, it's just people  
liking how things are and seeing it work without some trendy new idea.


I filter this list perfectly fine without tags. Tags just let you  
give your email the one over and see if you have any personal mail.


See the Linux kernel mail list faq for the subject line mod :)

http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/#s3-19


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mailing list management

[hank williams]

Oops again. That reply to thing is a bitch.

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Date: Aug 14, 2007 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: mailing list management
To: Daniel Mewes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



I
> use pager notification for my e-mails and text paging in Germany has a
> very limited message length.


Wow. now thats a great target design platform for a mailing list. lol.

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RE: Fwd: mailing list management

[Dean Collins]

Lol - yep shortly followed by the human race all moving back to wearing
skins and living in rock caves.

Doing nothing as a 'reason' is about as dumb as you can get.


Regards,

Dean Collins
Cognation Pty Ltd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
+1-212-203-4357 Ph
+61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim McDonald
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2007 4:26 PM
> To: OpenMoko
> Subject: Re: Fwd: mailing list management
> 
> so I suggest we leave it as it is.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jim.
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Re: mailing list management

[Daniel Mewes]

Well this is probably the wrong place for a whole-community poll about
this topic, but let me say that if the majority here really wants
subject tagging, than please put the tag at the end of the subject! I
use pager notification for my e-mails and text paging in Germany has a
very limited message length. Filling half of it with some non
informative tag would make the whole thing impractical. Also putting a
tag on the beginning of the subject makes reading through a list (like
in my mail client) of a high number of messages very very inefficient,
since the important information isn't where my brain expects it to be
(at the beginning!). 
I personally cannot see any benefit from tagging the subject, but that's
probably up to everyone's own preferences in their way of mail handling.


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Re: Fwd: mailing list management

[Jim McDonald]

hank williams wrote:

Oops. As usual I hit "reply to" and it went to casey personally

Its broken.
Just so that the 'silent majority' don't lose out on this one, I would 
like to point out that there are approximately 1,500 people subscribed 
to this list.  Can we assume that unless we hear from them their vote is 
'no change'?  There are pros and cons to each system, but anyone who has 
already set up their own filters will have done so on the existing 
system so I suggest we leave it as it is.


Cheers,
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Re: Fingerscroll, foofone and more from people.openmoko.org!

[Gabriel Ambuehl]

On Tuesday 14 August 2007 15:52:04 Santiago Crespo wrote:
> There are some nice media from people.openmoko.org:
>
> Fingerscroll & foofone:
> http://people.openmoko.org/jserv/graphics/video/

Foofone is neat. But it doesn't seem very obvious to use the star to have it 
start calling?


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Fwd: mailing list management

[hank williams]

Oops. As usual I hit "reply to" and it went to casey personally

Its broken.

-- Forwarded message --
From: hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Aug 14, 2007 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: mailing list management
To: Casey Harkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



> Munging the subject line is a bad idea.
>
> http://www.l33tskillz.org/writing/tagging-harmful/


A "bad idea" that most other high volume mailing lists do.

Munging the reply-to is a bad idea.
>
> http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html


A "bad idea" that most other high volume mailing lists do.

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Re: mailing list management

[Giles Jones]

On 14 Aug 2007, at 19:48, Casey Harkins wrote:


Dean Collins wrote:
I do run filtering in Outlook - but I run it on subject - less  
processor intensive.


How is filtering on subject less processor intensive than using  
mailing list headers?


I said stuff like that years ago on the Amiga and was that they're  
fast enough to download and perform operations on the data in real time.


That said, you can actually get the subject lines of your emails  
using pop3 without downloading the message, not that many mail apps  
probably both.



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Re: mailing list management

[Casey Harkins]

Dean Collins wrote:

I do run filtering in Outlook - but I run it on subject - less processor 
intensive.


How is filtering on subject less processor intensive than using mailing 
list headers?




And thanks Casey - I also subscribe to about 5 or 6 other lists and they all 
have subject prefixes as well (and much larger more frequent lists than 
openmoko)


I also subscribe to a large number of other lists and only 2 of the 20 
or so have subject prefixes (one of them is the openmoko announce list).




It's a little thing but it's silly not to get this fixed sooner rather than 
later - especially as in the very near time frame I imagine that FIC will need 
to have a number of different lists (newbies, experts, apps, developers, 
commercial) etc


I disagree that there is anything to be "fixed". Munging the subject 
line or reply to fields would be breaking things rather than fixing 
them. There are a number of ways to distinguish mailing list messages 
from each other without munging the subject line.


I don't want to start a holy war on this as I've seen many in the past. 
However, I've yet to see a convincing argument that justifies the use of 
subject munging and numerous convincing arguments that it is a bad thing 
a prone to breaking. If it is the will of the community, I'll deal with it.


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Re: Fingerscroll, foofone and more from people.openmoko.org!

[Jeremy G]

Those both look pretty great, IMHO.  I'm especially fond of the dialer effect.

On 8/14/07, Krzysztof Kajkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2007/8/14, Florent THIERY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > Fingerscroll & foofone:
> > > http://people.openmoko.org/jserv/graphics/video/
> >
> > Wow. This is clutter running inside qemu... Anybody tried running it
> > in software rendering on a real device?
>
> I run 2007.2 and 'kinetic' scrolling works very wel.
>
> cayco
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Re: mailing list management

[Jimmy McMillan]

Chris Kuethe wrote:

On 8/14/07, hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

I think that this is not useful at all.
  

Actually it would be quite useful.



+1 for tagging the subject.

  

I second that.  How about [om-community]-$subject

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Re: Using Qemu

[Jimmy McMillan]

Matthew,

 Like I said, I had the same problem you are for about a week and 
finally rebuilt everything as mentioned on the wiki.  Here is my screeny 
as well as my `history`.


http://www.freshstation.org/~mintee/openmoko.jpg

Hope that helps

Mathew Davis wrote:
 
 
Dang reply button well I accidentally sent this just to Jmmy
 
I was trying to avoid re-flashing and re-building because it takes so 
long to re-start.  So I tried the clicking about a million times, but 
no luck so I am trying make download-images and am currently waiting 
for the qemu environment to startup again.  If that doesn't work I 
will try restarting the ubuntu environment.  Thanks for the help guys.
 
UpDate:
I have rebooted the VM still no luck,  So I thought maybe it was the 
VM on linux so I moved it over to an XP box still no go.  I tried the 
make download-images and got this

[ -e images/openmoko ] || mkdir -p images/openmoko
ln -sf `pwd`/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/env 
images/openmoko/env
( cd images ; 
../openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/download.sh )

Retrieving available builds list...
Kernel is... uImage-2.6-moko10-r2_0_2134_0-fic-gta01.bin
Root filesystem is... 
openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070803091138.rootfs.jffs2

U-boot is... u-boot-gta01bv4-r12_0_2632_0.bin

Now use openmoko/flash.sh to install OpenMoko to NAND Flash.

rm -f images/openmoko/env
[ -d stamps ] || mkdir stamps
touch stamps/images

 Now I don't know how to use openmoko/flash.sh so i just ran Make 
setup then when that was finished I ran Make run-qemu still no good 
what can I do.
On 8/14/07, *Mathew Davis* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


I was trying to avoid re-flashing and re-building because it takes
so long to re-start.  So I tried the clicking about a million
times, but no luck so I am trying make download-images and am
currently waiting for the qemu environment to startup again.  If
that doesn't work I will try restarting the ubuntu environment. 
Thanks for the help guys.
 
Matt


 
On 8/14/07, *Jimmy McMillan* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> wrote:

Mathew Davis wrote:
> I don't know if this is the right place to ask this or not, I
didn't
> think it was a development question more of a general use
question.  I
> got the Openmoko_Dev VM and I ran through the makefile setup
and got
> qemu up and running by typing make run-qemu, it took forever
but it
> finally booted up into the gui.  I am at the point where it
is asking
> me to calibrate the screen by clicking the crosshair, but I can't
> click it.  Is there something I missed.  I am completly new
to Qemu
> and fairly new to linux although I have some experiance with
it.  So
> is the a conf file I need to edit to get the mouse calibrated
I have
> the mouse inside the emulated window but it just won't let me
click.
> Any help here would be great.  If it's on the wiki I must
have missed
> it so you can send me the link if you like.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
> 


>
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> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

>
> 

>
>


Matthew.  I was having the same problems for a while, but I
found that
after I restarted the ubuntu VM, and started the qemu string
(after it
was build) it worked fine for me.  You make also wanna do
another svn
fetch and start from scratch.

*Have you tried turning it off and on*

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Re: mailing list management

[Chris Kuethe]

On 8/14/07, hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I think that this is not useful at all.
> Actually it would be quite useful.

+1 for tagging the subject.

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RE: mailing list management

[Dean Collins]

I do run filtering in Outlook - but I run it on subject - less processor 
intensive. 

And thanks Casey - I also subscribe to about 5 or 6 other lists and they all 
have subject prefixes as well (and much larger more frequent lists than 
openmoko)

It's a little thing but it's silly not to get this fixed sooner rather than 
later - especially as in the very near time frame I imagine that FIC will need 
to have a number of different lists (newbies, experts, apps, developers, 
commercial) etc



Regards,

Dean Collins
Cognation Pty Ltd
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+61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Santiago Crespo
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2007 12:10 PM
> To: OpenMoko
> Subject: Re: mailing list management
> 
> El mar, 14-08-2007 a las 11:46 -0400, Dean Collins escribió:
> > Now that the product is launched and you have (or maybe not) some
> > breathing space can we finally get this mailing list configured
> > properly.
> >
> >
> > At the front of each mailing should be a subject pre-fix that says the
> > title of the mailing list
> >
> > e.g." [OpenMoko-Community]: "mailing list management""
> 
> I think that this is not useful at all. If you want to do some filtering
> in your mail client, there are some headers in every mail from maillist
> that would be useful:
> 
> Precedence: list
> List-Id: List for OpenMoko community discussion
> 
> 
> 
> --
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Re: mailing list management

[Casey Harkins]

hank williams wrote:



I think that this is not useful at all.


Actually it would be quite useful.

Without such a header I am unable to *visually* distinguish between this 
and other mailing lists or mail. Filters are useful for organizing, but 
I personally prefer to see my whole inbox and to view and scan all 
inbound content. Not having such a header is the equivalent of not 
having a "from" column in my mailing lists.


Most mailing lists do this properly.


Munging the subject line is a bad idea.

http://www.l33tskillz.org/writing/tagging-harmful/





Of course the other thing I always complain about is that this is the 
only mailing list I am on (out of >10) for which (at least in gmail) 
replies to a thread go to the individual and not the list unless I say 
"reply to all" - which I often forget because this list is the oddball. 
There have been discussions about this before where others have said it 
shouldnt work the way I suggest or that gmail is broken, but the bottom 
line is that of all the mailing lists I am on, gmail (for me) gets it 
right on everything but this one.


Munging the reply-to is a bad idea.

http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html



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RE: Using Qemu

[John Seghers]

Jimmy McMillan wrote:
> Matthew.  I was having the same problems for a while, but I found that
> after I restarted the ubuntu VM, and started the qemu string (after it
> was build) it worked fine for me.  You make also wanna do another svn
> fetch and start from scratch.

Another thing I've found with QEMU in general is: take your time.
Click and hold it for a second or two.  If you do quick clicks that you're
used to doing on the desktop, it will often not register at all in the
emulator.

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Re: Using Qemu

[Mathew Davis]

Dang reply button well I accidentally sent this just to Jmmy

I was trying to avoid re-flashing and re-building because it takes so long
to re-start.  So I tried the clicking about a million times, but no luck so
I am trying make download-images and am currently waiting for the qemu
environment to startup again.  If that doesn't work I will try restarting
the ubuntu environment.  Thanks for the help guys.

UpDate:
I have rebooted the VM still no luck,  So I thought maybe it was the VM on
linux so I moved it over to an XP box still no go.  I tried the make
download-images and got this
[ -e images/openmoko ] || mkdir -p images/openmoko
ln -sf `pwd`/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/env
images/openmoko/env
( cd images ; ../openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/download.sh )
Retrieving available builds list...
Kernel is... uImage-2.6-moko10-r2_0_2134_0-fic-gta01.bin
Root filesystem is...
openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070803091138.rootfs.jffs2
U-boot is... u-boot-gta01bv4-r12_0_2632_0.bin

Now use openmoko/flash.sh to install OpenMoko to NAND Flash.

rm -f images/openmoko/env
[ -d stamps ] || mkdir stamps
touch stamps/images

 Now I don't know how to use openmoko/flash.sh so i just ran Make setup then
when that was finished I ran Make run-qemu still no good what can I do.
On 8/14/07, Mathew Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I was trying to avoid re-flashing and re-building because it takes so long
> to re-start.  So I tried the clicking about a million times, but no luck so
> I am trying make download-images and am currently waiting for the qemu
> environment to startup again.  If that doesn't work I will try restarting
> the ubuntu environment.  Thanks for the help guys.
>
> Matt
>
>
>  On 8/14/07, Jimmy McMillan <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> > Mathew Davis wrote:
> > > I don't know if this is the right place to ask this or not, I didn't
> > > think it was a development question more of a general use question.  I
> > > got the Openmoko_Dev VM and I ran through the makefile setup and got
> > > qemu up and running by typing make run-qemu, it took forever but it
> > > finally booted up into the gui.  I am at the point where it is asking
> > > me to calibrate the screen by clicking the crosshair, but I can't
> > > click it.  Is there something I missed.  I am completly new to Qemu
> > > and fairly new to linux although I have some experiance with it.  So
> > > is the a conf file I need to edit to get the mouse calibrated I have
> > > the mouse inside the emulated window but it just won't let me click.
> > > Any help here would be great.  If it's on the wiki I must have missed
> > > it so you can send me the link if you like.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Matt
> > >
> > 
> > >
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> > > community@lists.openmoko.org
> > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Matthew.  I was having the same problems for a while, but I found that
> > after I restarted the ubuntu VM, and started the qemu string (after it
> > was build) it worked fine for me.  You make also wanna do another svn
> > fetch and start from scratch.
> >
> > *Have you tried turning it off and on*
> >
> > Jimmy
> >
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Re: mailing list management

[hank williams]

>
> I think that this is not useful at all.
>

Actually it would be quite useful.

Without such a header I am unable to *visually* distinguish between this and
other mailing lists or mail. Filters are useful for organizing, but I
personally prefer to see my whole inbox and to view and scan all inbound
content. Not having such a header is the equivalent of not having a "from"
column in my mailing lists.

Most mailing lists do this properly.

Of course the other thing I always complain about is that this is the only
mailing list I am on (out of >10) for which (at least in gmail) replies to a
thread go to the individual and not the list unless I say "reply to all" -
which I often forget because this list is the oddball. There have been
discussions about this before where others have said it shouldnt work the
way I suggest or that gmail is broken, but the bottom line is that of all
the mailing lists I am on, gmail (for me) gets it right on everything but
this one.

I realize that this is not as important as writing software and designing
phones, but it really would be great to get these relatively simple things
fixed at some point. If you are using mailman I think its fairly basic
config stuff.

Hank




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Re: Fingerscroll, foofone and more from people.openmoko.org!

[Krzysztof Kajkowski]

2007/8/14, Florent THIERY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Fingerscroll & foofone:
> > http://people.openmoko.org/jserv/graphics/video/
>
> Wow. This is clutter running inside qemu... Anybody tried running it
> in software rendering on a real device?

I run 2007.2 and 'kinetic' scrolling works very wel.

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Re: Using Qemu

[Jimmy McMillan]

Mathew Davis wrote:
I don't know if this is the right place to ask this or not, I didn't 
think it was a development question more of a general use question.  I 
got the Openmoko_Dev VM and I ran through the makefile setup and got 
qemu up and running by typing make run-qemu, it took forever but it 
finally booted up into the gui.  I am at the point where it is asking 
me to calibrate the screen by clicking the crosshair, but I can't 
click it.  Is there something I missed.  I am completly new to Qemu 
and fairly new to linux although I have some experiance with it.  So 
is the a conf file I need to edit to get the mouse calibrated I have 
the mouse inside the emulated window but it just won't let me click.  
Any help here would be great.  If it's on the wiki I must have missed 
it so you can send me the link if you like. 
 
Thanks,

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Matthew.  I was having the same problems for a while, but I found that 
after I restarted the ubuntu VM, and started the qemu string (after it 
was build) it worked fine for me.  You make also wanna do another svn 
fetch and start from scratch.


*Have you tried turning it off and on*

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Re: mailing list management

[Santiago Crespo]

El mar, 14-08-2007 a las 11:46 -0400, Dean Collins escribió:
> Now that the product is launched and you have (or maybe not) some
> breathing space can we finally get this mailing list configured
> properly.
> 
>  
> At the front of each mailing should be a subject pre-fix that says the
> title of the mailing list
> 
> e.g.“ [OpenMoko-Community]: “mailing list management””

I think that this is not useful at all. If you want to do some filtering
in your mail client, there are some headers in every mail from maillist
that would be useful:

Precedence: list
List-Id: List for OpenMoko community discussion



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Re: Using Qemu

[Giles Jones]

Mathew Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :

I am at the point where it is asking me to calibrate the screen by clicking the 
crosshair, but I can't click it.  

I think someone has made changes, I had a heck of a time clicking it last 
night. You have to just stick at it, click it about 5 or 6 times until it 
registers.

Saying that, I changed my xorg settings last night and it might be something to 
do with that.

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Re: Neo1973 Phase 1 sales / order process / misconception

[vivek khurana]

On 8/14/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It is always a great deal more complicated than "just asking for help".
>
Well dear most of are working/have worked in projects which drain even
last bit out. But we still manage deliveries and reduce the delays.
 I am not saying that openmoko team is not doing a good job but the
delay in receiivng phones could reduced a bit. What i said in my mail
is "community could have helped in managing this"
 As it has been pointed out problem is not delayed deliveries but lack
of cimmunications. If core team cant find out time to develop such a
system/website community membes wil be more tahn wiling to help them.
Though they need to spel out there security concerns, so that a
solution can be developed accordingly.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month

I think you are over enthusiastic.

regards
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mailing list management

[Dean Collins]

Now that the product is launched and you have (or maybe not) some
breathing space can we finally get this mailing list configured
properly.

 

At the front of each mailing should be a subject pre-fix that says the
title of the mailing list

 

e.g." [OpenMoko-Community]: "mailing list management""

 

Regards,

Dean Collins
Cognation Pty Ltd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Using Qemu

[Mathew Davis]

I don't know if this is the right place to ask this or not, I didn't think
it was a development question more of a general use question.  I got the
Openmoko_Dev VM and I ran through the makefile setup and got qemu up and
running by typing make run-qemu, it took forever but it finally booted up
into the gui.  I am at the point where it is asking me to calibrate the
screen by clicking the crosshair, but I can't click it.  Is there something
I missed.  I am completly new to Qemu and fairly new to linux although I
have some experiance with it.  So is the a conf file I need to edit to get
the mouse calibrated I have the mouse inside the emulated window but it just
won't let me click.  Any help here would be great.  If it's on the wiki I
must have missed it so you can send me the link if you like.

Thanks,
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Re: Neo1973 Phase 1 sales / order process / misconception

[kent]

On Tue, Aug 14, 2007 at 07:20:47PM +0530, vivek khurana wrote:
> On 8/7/07, Harald Welte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Because such a website, especially if it is to fulfill our security and
> > privacy concerns, needs quite a bit of development time.
> 
>  There are several developers on the list with experience in ecommerce
> + supply cahin management. We are willing to help in building the
> wesite which will ease the delivery process (automate as many tasks as
> possible) and provide updated information to every user.
>  All you need to do is ask for help.

It is always a great deal more complicated than "just asking for help".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month


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Re: Fingerscroll, foofone and more from people.openmoko.org!

[Florent THIERY]

> Fingerscroll & foofone:
> http://people.openmoko.org/jserv/graphics/video/

Wow. This is clutter running inside qemu... Anybody tried running it
in software rendering on a real device?

Florent

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Fingerscroll, foofone and more from people.openmoko.org!

[Santiago Crespo]

There are some nice media from people.openmoko.org:

Fingerscroll & foofone:
http://people.openmoko.org/jserv/graphics/video/

AGPS video:
http://people.openmoko.org/ninjutsu/AGPS_Neo1973.mp4

Inside this, there is a song from "Openmoko Ringtones" album:
http://people.openmoko.org/sean_chiang/rfi.tar.bz2

thereisnophone.mp3
Title: There Is No Phone
Artist: Wansti
Album: OpenMoko Ringtones
Year: 2007
Comment: License: CC-by-sa

And there are more interesting stuff, just find it:
http://people.openmoko.org


-- 
Santiago Crespo


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Re: Neo1973 Phase 1 sales / order process / misconception

[vivek khurana]

On 8/7/07, Harald Welte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Because such a website, especially if it is to fulfill our security and
> privacy concerns, needs quite a bit of development time.

 There are several developers on the list with experience in ecommerce
+ supply cahin management. We are willing to help in building the
wesite which will ease the delivery process (automate as many tasks as
possible) and provide updated information to every user.
 All you need to do is ask for help.

Regards
VK

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Re: USB host

[Sven Neuhaus]

Ian Stirling schrieb:
> assistivetechnology wrote:
>> Did anyone ever try to use the USB host with power supply, or build a
>> HW workaround to supply USB devices with power?
> 
> I'm contemplating the latter.
> The kernel does not currently support USB host - it needs a patch.

FWIW, I brought a battery powered USB hub (Cyberpower) to CCCamp 2007 for
testing it with the Neo1973, but this bit was missing, so we didn't even try it.

-Sven

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Re: Chinese input for OpenMoko

[Sean Moss-Pultz]

On 08/14/2007 Torsten Wagner wrote:
> Hi Shu Hung,
> 
> Shu Hung (Koala) schrieb:
> > Hello,
> >
> > OpenMoko is developed and produced in Taiwan. And I live in HK.
> > Both places uses Chinese as the common language.
> 
> I would say if this would be a standard commercial product, you are 
> out of luck. I don't need to tell you how many products are produced 
> in China which never ever target the Chinese market at all.
> 
> > I'm just curious if there is any plan for Neo1973 to support 
> Chinese input?
> > If so, in what way? Hand-writing input? Or keyboard input method?
> >
> That's where OpenSource comes into the game. Even if there would be 
> no initial support, I bet that for within this little group of just 
> 1.3 billion Chinese speakers ;) there would be at least one (maybe 
> you) who is able to port one of the already existing input method 
> editors to the Neo. 

This is on our roadmap but I'm not sure exactly when. We actually have a
few members of the team (recently hired) who are experts in Chinese IME.

-Sean

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Re: 2007.2 Compilation issue

[Frank Gau]

Hi,
for my overnight compilation I got this error.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Frank

NOTE: Running task 1389 of 3542 (ID: 3152, 
/home/fgau/stuff/org.openembedded.dev/packages/uicmoc/uicmoc4-native_4.3.0.bb, 
do_compile)

NOTE: package uicmoc4-native-4.3.0: started
NOTE: package uicmoc4-native-4.3.0-r2: task do_compile: started
ERROR: function do_compile failed
ERROR: log data follows 
(/home/fgau/stuff/tmp/work/i686-linux/uicmoc4-native-4.3.0-r2/temp/log.do_compile.22140)

| NOTE: make CC=ccache gcc  CXX=ccache g++
| make: Nothing to be done for `first'.
| NOTE: make CC=ccache gcc  CXX=ccache g++
| make: Nothing to be done for `first'.
| NOTE: make CC=ccache gcc  CXX=ccache g++
| make: Nothing to be done for `first'.
| NOTE: make CC=ccache gcc  CXX=ccache g++
| 
/home/fgau/stuff/tmp/work/i686-linux/uicmoc4-native-4.3.0-r2/qt-x11-opensource-src-4.3.0/bin/qmake 
-spec ../../mkspecs/linux-g++ -unix -o Makefile qt3support.pro

| make: Nothing to be done for `first'.
| NOTE: make CC=ccache gcc  CXX=ccache g++
| make: Nothing to be done for `first'.
| NOTE: make CC=ccache gcc  CXX=ccache g++
| make: Nothing to be done for `first'.
| NOTE: make CC=ccache gcc  CXX=ccache g++
| make: Nothing to be done for `first'.
| NOTE: make CC=ccache gcc  CXX=ccache g++
| make: Nothing to be done for `first'.
| NOTE: make CC=ccache gcc  CXX=ccache g++
| ccache g++  -c -include .pch/release-static/QtGui 
-isystem/home/fgau/stuff/tmp/staging/i686-linux/include -Os 
-fno-exceptions -pthread 
-I/home/fgau/stuff/tmp/staging/i686-linux/include/glib-2.0 
-I/home/fgau/stuff/tmp/staging/i686-linux/lib/glib-2.0/include -O2 
-fvisibility=hidden -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -Wall -W -D_REENTRANT 
-fPIC -DQT_BUILD_GUI_LIB -DQT_NO_CAST_TO_ASCII -DQT_ASCII_CAST_WARNINGS 
-DQT3_SUPPORT -DQT_MOC_COMPAT -DQT_NO_IMAGEFORMAT_PNG 
-DQT_RASTER_IMAGEENGINE -DQT_HAVE_MMX -DQT_HAVE_3DNOW -DQT_HAVE_SSE 
-DQT_HAVE_SSE2 -DFT2_BUILD_LIBRARY -DFT_CONFIG_OPTION_SYSTEM_ZLIB 
-DQT_NO_OPENTYPE -DQT_NO_STYLE_MAC -DQT_NO_STYLE_WINDOWSVISTA 
-DQT_NO_STYLE_WINDOWSXP -DQ_INTERNAL_QAPP_SRC -DQT_NO_DEBUG 
-DQT_CORE_LIB -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE 
-I../../mkspecs/linux-g++ -I. -I../../include/QtCore 
-I../../include/QtCore -I../../include -I../../include/QtGui 
-I../3rdparty/freetype/src -I../3rdparty/freetype/include 
-I../3rdparty/freetype/builds/unix -Idialogs -I.moc/release-static 
-I/usr/X11R6/include -I.uic/release-static -o 
.obj/release-static/qapplication_x11.o kernel/qapplication_x11.cpp
| kernel/qapplication_x11.cpp:89:31: error: X11/extensions/XI.h: No such 
file or directory
| kernel/qapplication_x11.cpp: In function 'int 
qt_x_errhandler(Display*, XErrorEvent*)':
| kernel/qapplication_x11.cpp:475: error: 'XI_BadDevice' was not 
declared in this scope

| make: *** [.obj/release-static/qapplication_x11.o] Error 1
| FATAL: oe_runmake failed
NOTE: Task failed: 
/home/fgau/stuff/tmp/work/i686-linux/uicmoc4-native-4.3.0-r2/temp/log.do_compile.22140

NOTE: package uicmoc4-native-4.3.0-r2: task do_compile: failed
ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting
NOTE: package uicmoc4-native-4.3.0: failed
ERROR: Build of 
/home/fgau/stuff/org.openembedded.dev/packages/uicmoc/uicmoc4-native_4.3.0.bb 
do_compile failed
ERROR: Task 3152 
(/home/fgau/stuff/org.openembedded.dev/packages/uicmoc/uicmoc4-native_4.3.0.bb, 
do_compile) failed
NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 1388 tasks of which 1388 didn't need to 
be rerun and 1 failed.
ERROR: 
'/home/fgau/stuff/org.openembedded.dev/packages/uicmoc/uicmoc4-native_4.3.0.bb' 
failed


Emre Turkay wrote:

Hi folks,

I've been following the compilation steps given in the wiki for the
OM-2007.2 " How to build using nslu2-linux MasterMakefile (Ubuntu
7.04)".

When I run "make openmoko-image" I got the error below about the
libgsmd. Any ideas?

Thanks,

emre

...
NOTE: Running task 1176 of 3522 (ID: 488,
/home/emre/OM-2007.2/openmoko/openembedded/packages/gsm/libgsmd_svn.bb,
do_unpack)
NOTE: package libgsmd-0.1+svnrNOT IMPLEMENTED: started
NOTE: package libgsmd-0.1+svnrNOT IMPLEMENTED-r18: task do_unpack: started
NOTE: Unpacking
/home/emre/OM-2007.2/downloads/gsm_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target__now.tar.gz
to 
/home/emre/OM-2007.2/openmoko/tmp/work/fic-gta01-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libgsmd-0.1+svnrNOT
IMPLEMENTED-r18/
NOTE: Unpacking
/home/emre/OM-2007.2/openembedded/packages/gsm/files/gsmd to
/home/emre/OM-2007.2/openmoko/tmp/work/fic-gta01-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libgsmd-0.1+svnrNOT
IMPLEMENTED-r18/
cp: target `IMPLEMENTED-r18/./' is not a directory: No such file or directory
NOTE: Task failed:
NOTE: package libgsmd-0.1+svnrNOT IMPLEMENTED-r18: task do_unpack: failed
ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting
NOTE: package libgsmd-0.1+svnrNOT IMPLEMENTED: failed
ERROR: Build of
/home/emre/OM-2007.2/openmoko/openembedded/packages/gsm/libgsmd_svn.bb
do_unpack failed
ERROR: Task 488
(/home/emre/OM-2007.2/openmoko/openembedded/packages/gsm/libgsmd_svn.bb,
do_unpack) failed
NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 1175 tasks of which 1162 d

Re: Chinese input for OpenMoko

[Torsten Wagner]

Hi Shu Hung,

Shu Hung (Koala) schrieb:

Hello,

OpenMoko is developed and produced in Taiwan. And I live in HK.
Both places uses Chinese as the common language.


I would say if this would be a standard commercial product, you are out 
of luck. I don't need to tell you how many products are produced in 
China which never ever target the Chinese market at all.



I'm just curious if there is any plan for Neo1973 to support Chinese input?
If so, in what way? Hand-writing input? Or keyboard input method?

That's where OpenSource comes into the game. Even if there would be no 
initial support, I bet that for within this little group of just 1.3 
billion Chinese speakers ;) there would be at least one (maybe you) who 
is able to port one of the already existing input method editors to the Neo.


Greetings

Torsten


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