No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left
There has been some serious effort trying to get Android to run on the Neo: http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973 It was at the point where he started writing code to emulate ARMv5 instructions on an ARMv4 that I was thinking If anyone can get it running, it's going to be this guy. So, to get Android running, you need a processor with ARM v5 ISA. I.e. A gumstix with its XScale processor (Both PXA255 PXA270 should work). Anyone fancy having a go at putting Android on their MyPhone? Cheers, Tom ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left
Hi, One of his ways out of this is Google releasing the source and someone else compiling for ARMv4. now google said they will open the source (they have no choice, its GPLv2) so I'd wait and see what happens, shul On Nov 22, 2007 11:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There has been some serious effort trying to get Android to run on the Neo: http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973 It was at the point where he started writing code to emulate ARMv5 instructions on an ARMv4 that I was thinking If anyone can get it running, it's going to be this guy. So, to get Android running, you need a processor with ARM v5 ISA. I.e. A gumstix with its XScale processor (Both PXA255 PXA270 should work). Anyone fancy having a go at putting Android on their MyPhone? Cheers, Tom ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left
Shaul Kedem wrote: One of his ways out of this is Google releasing the source and someone else compiling for ARMv4. now google said they will open the source (they have no choice, its GPLv2) so I'd wait and see what happens, It is also reported that Google has said that the source won't be available until the first phones ship, in the second half of 2008. -- Rod ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Closing apps
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Nov 18, 2007 4:20 PM, Olaf Lüke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, yes you do ;-). Since the second version of the GUI you can close applications with pressing the power button shortly. If you press IMO that's a very strange, and very unintuitive way to close applications. It may be unintuitive as long as you don't know about it, but once you know, it's pretty handy for operating the device one-handed -- at least for the right handers. Also, note the semantic adjacence between closing an application (turning off the power of this application) and closing the whole operating system. So, to me it sounds pretty intuitive. Agree. But i find both Buttons on the phone very cumbersome. Because they are so small and embeded in the case. But this is a conpletely different story... :) *g* Regards Tilman Baumann ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Closing apps
Tilman Baumann wrote: But i find both Buttons on the phone very cumbersome. Because they are so small and embeded in the case. But this is a conpletely different story... *g* Yes, the buttons are a nightmare. Sorry about that, but we inherited the design. This will be fixed with a completely new case for the successor to GTA02. -- - Michael Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://openmoko.org/ Software for the worlds' first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Closing apps
On Thu, 2007-11-22 at 14:21 +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Tilman Baumann wrote: But i find both Buttons on the phone very cumbersome. Because they are so small and embeded in the case. But this is a conpletely different story... *g* Yes, the buttons are a nightmare. Sorry about that, but we inherited the design. This will be fixed with a completely new case for the successor to GTA02. Ooo, successor to GTA02, you probably know there is a whole range of inputs for a new case design - I guess there is a space for this on the wiki? I would suggest you place some drawings on the wiki as soon as it is available. Hans E-mail Disclaimer http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Closing apps
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Tilman Baumann wrote: But i find both Buttons on the phone very cumbersome. Because they are so small and embeded in the case. But this is a conpletely different story... *g* Yes, the buttons are a nightmare. Sorry about that, but we inherited the design. This will be fixed with a completely new case for the successor to GTA02. Looking forward for that. Emancipating from the inherited case design sounds like the ultimate akt of freedom for the nerds. :)) For now, will probably just stick a blob of epoxy on the power button. The home button works well enough. A little bit higher cap for the power button would fix that issue. But i guess you have already considered that option. :) Regards Tilman ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left
On 22/11/2007, Stefan Lischke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Isn't google violating GPLv2 when it does not release the Code now? I could use some GPL'ed code, change it, give it to manufacturer and say i'll release it to public when the product is finish. Thats totally against GPL, cause it prevents other company to use the same code like the official manufacturer do. Or do i miss something? That is only required once the *distribute* the software. Stefan Best, -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left
Hi, Isn't google violating GPLv2 when it does not release the Code now? I could use some GPL'ed code, change it, give it to manufacturer and say i'll release it to public when the product is finish. Thats totally against GPL, cause it prevents other company to use the same code like the official manufacturer do. Or do i miss something? Stefan Rod Whitby wrote: Shaul Kedem wrote: One of his ways out of this is Google releasing the source and someone else compiling for ARMv4. now google said they will open the source (they have no choice, its GPLv2) so I'd wait and see what happens, It is also reported that Google has said that the source won't be available until the first phones ship, in the second half of 2008. -- Rod smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left
On Thursday 22 November 2007 10:56, Shaul Kedem wrote: Hi, One of his ways out of this is Google releasing the source and someone else compiling for ARMv4. now google said they will open the source (they have no choice, its GPLv2) so I'd wait and see what happens, rant It's not GPLv2 until they actually release it under that license, until now they seem to release only the part they absolutely have to. I am pretty sure Google is not going to release anything allowing anyone to run Android on a actual phone until the first official Android phone has had it's head-start. They will do so to allow their 'partners' a head start, they need to do this to keep them on board. After all, why join a consortium when everybody else gets the same thing? There are some companies in that consortium with notoriously bad track records when it comes to open-source, they did not just change overnight just because Google told them to. First the partners will get to reap Android, after that maybe the community will get something. Welcome to open-source the Google way. Ofcourse this doesn't stop Google from claiming they are so very open... Fact is, they may be a huge user of open-source, they are a lousy contributor and a lousy community member. For now, i'd rather buy an iPhone, just because at least it doesn't pretend to be open. /rant AVee ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Closing apps
On 23/11/2007, Hans van der Merwe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ooo, successor to GTA02, you probably know there is a whole range of inputs for a new case design - I guess there is a space for this on the wiki? I would suggest you place some drawings on the wiki as soon as it is available. to michael shiloh: this is something a few of us have talked about in the past: i.e. making our own cases for the neo. are there any license issues preventing the release of schematics for the case (GTA02 if possible)? if not, could you look into having them put on the wiki please? there are lots of community ideas around, but they are stalled at the moment until we have a base point thanks ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left
On Friday 23 November 2007, AVee wrote: On Thursday 22 November 2007 10:56, Shaul Kedem wrote: Hi, One of his ways out of this is Google releasing the source and someone else compiling for ARMv4. now google said they will open the source (they have no choice, its GPLv2) so I'd wait and see what happens, rant It's not GPLv2 until they actually release it under that license, until now they seem to release only the part they absolutely have to. I am pretty sure Google is not going to release anything allowing anyone to run Android on a actual phone until the first official Android phone has had it's head-start. They will do so to allow their 'partners' a head start, they need to do this to keep them on board. After all, why join a consortium when everybody else gets the same thing? There are some companies in that consortium with notoriously bad track records when it comes to open-source, they did not just change overnight just because Google told them to. First the partners will get to reap Android, after that maybe the community will get something. Welcome to open-source the Google way. Quite actually, the Apache license permits these companies to not contribute back, so I am afraid it will be just 'business as usual' for Android. What is more interesting is Android vm on top of Openmoko and Qtopia. Just like you can run java apps on your desktop. The real challenge is the integration and making those android apps have the same general look and feel consistency with the rest of the gui. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left
Stefan wrote: Isn't google violating GPLv2 when it does not release the Code now? I could use some GPL'ed code, change it, give it to manufacturer and say i'll release it to public when the product is finish. Thats totally against GPL, cause it prevents other company to use the same code like the official manufacturer do. Or do i miss something? Yes, you missed the vital step of not accusing GPL violation until you determine whether the code in question is actually licensed under the GPL. The Android system is an aggregation of things that are GPL'd (for which Google released the source code *ahead* of the announcement), and things that are not GPL'd (for which, like it or not, it is totally their perogative to choose whether and when they release the source code). Vincent wrote: That is only required once the *distribute* the software. They *have* distributed the software. And they have distributed the source code for the pieces of the software which is derived from GPL'd code. rant There are enough *real* GPL violaters in this world. Stop crying wolf over those companies whose business model you may not agree with, but who are meticulous about complying with the GPL for the GPL'd software they are using. /rant -- Rod ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
