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Car charger to GTA02

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Hey.
Is it any plans about a car charger to FreeRunner?
And if it is, what are the status?
If not this is something i can need.

Alexander Frøyseth

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RE: Accelerometer brainstorming

[Crane, Matthew]

I'm going to have a dig through citeseer for some ideas on representing
accelerometer data in reasonably practical and time/scale/affine
invariant form(s).  

I'd guess any libs/api would prefer to use fixed point if possible?
Don't know what the chip resources are for fp math off hand.

I notice this article on gait matching.  I guess the best use of such a
thing would likely be as the paper suggests, as a biometric
authentication.  Phone would stop working, without any obvious reason,
if the gait didn't match.  Certainly, with a stolen phone the first
thing that happens to it would be it walks away.

http://www.academypublisher.com/jcp/vol01/no07/jcp01075159.pdf


Matt


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Ya, I started down the API path with Michael Shiloh a while back, but we
got
diverted by other things.

Hi matt, 

  Lets talk about your ideas, we need to highlight the new hardware we
added. Let me know what you are thinking  

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Yea, there would need to be a decent test and experiment app, with GUI,
record data feature, and visualization of data.  That would be needed
likely
before the ideas we've mentioned could be worked out.  Need to develop a
solid API and event notification system.  That sort of thing prob exists
for
GPS, but should it be new/separate or tagged onto GPS for acellerometer?

Matt

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Alexey Feldgendler wrote:
> Just like my recent post about using GPS to enhance the phone, I'll 
> try to explore the synergy opportunities for the accelerometers that 
> Neo has. Once again, some of this might have already been discussed.
I'd like to see an accelerometer graphing application, so you could
monitor
and graph g force levels.  Maybe throw in a zeroing button to set a
baseline
orientation, then show deviation from that.  Maybe not extraordinarily
useful, but it would be cool to look at.  You could also

record the data for later hacking or comparison, like what was my max
g-force last time I went skydiving compared to this time?  The graphing
and
etc would be good for studying the feasability of other accelerometer
uses,
ie is a tap on the case a recognizable event? 

Speaking of that, I'd like a tap on the case to be configurable as a
mute
function during ringing.  So if you forgot to mute your phone at the
symphony and it starts ringing somewhere inside your backpack or jacket,
a
well placed kick would (probably) mute it.  The value here is not having
to
hunt for the phone and find a button on it.  I guess this falls under
the
larger category of gesture recognition, but this alone would be a real
win
for me. 

Another use would be as a 0-60 or quarter mile acceleration timer.  
Here's a link to a company that makes these:

http://www.gtechpro.com/?gclid=CLf7wPmpsJICFRI0awod1CWyQQ

I don't know if the accelerometer in the freerunner is accurate enough,
but
this is a low priced product, I'd think their accelerometers are not

a great deal better, if any.



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GSoC: Student Application Deadline Extended

[Stefan Schmidt]

Hello.

Just a small update for our GSoC students. Google decided to extend
the deadline for the applications.

http://tinyurl.com/233j4x

We have 42, no kidding, applications right now. Which is 1% of all
applications GSoC got until now.

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Re: More than a phone with a GPS navigator

[ewanm89]

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:00:39 +0100
"Alexey Feldgendler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:59:42 +0100, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > | That's the point: while you're inside a building, all you have to
> > know | is that you're still inside.
> 
> > Well you can know where you are in the building from AP scan
> > monitoring. ~ In an office building for example you might go to a
> > meeting room or a cafeteria and want that as a different "place",
> > but you never get to the open sky moving around between these
> > places.
> 
> Fair point about different rooms. However, attempts to locate
> yourself up to room precision will fail a lot -- the range of one
> WiFi AP isn't really confined within the walls of a room, so just
> walking the corridor past the meeting room or sitting in an adjacent
> room would trigger the meeting room profile. I don't see how it could
> be made to work up to room precision. It seems to me that building
> precision is the best that's practically possible.
> 
> 

The signal and noise levels are usually fairly different in different
rooms (at the uni I can't easily get the wireless behind the wall on
the other side of corridor.

* access point
| wall
$ me
& door

 |   |
*&   |$
 &   |
 |   |

I can't see why you can't use the noise signal levels in this way as
every room will have a unique AP profile?

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Re: Network Manager

[Stefan Schmidt]

Hello.

On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 14:06, Alex Zhang wrote:
>>
>> The project is http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/enlazar/
>
> I think it's easy to develop a daemon talking with NM to manage the  
> networks. But most important thing is to merge NM into our devices,  
> because NM depends on many packages like: libnl, hal, udev, dhclient,  
> wpa_supplicant ...

That is the point where a good build system comes into play.
OpenEmbedded handles this for us. I hope you don't build all the stuff
for your device by hand.

> In addition, though NM-0.7 has a clear framework, but it's not ready ATM :(

Well, have you tested it at least? I'm using SVN rev 3202 of the NM
daemon here for some months now. It allows me to connect to wired
ethernet, open wifi, WEP wifi, WPA wifi and WPA2 wifi. It is not SVN
HEAD but runs pretty stable. Of course I'm also waiting for a 0.7
release, but having all the API changes in mind, coding against 0.6.6
makes no sense.

> Anyway, glad to see you're starting such project, Hope can share some  
> idea with you :)

To elaborate a bit more on enlazar. It is not a daemon. It is an UI
for NM using EFL written against a given product spec. The major work
goes into e_nm, a convenience library inside e_dbus.

There are also more ideas how to improve NM itself on mobile
devices. For example keep the wifi connection down most of the time
and react on "network requests" of applications. Like pppd dial on
demand. But that are just ideas right now.

So if your device uses EFL enlazar could be interesting for you. Or
better e_nm could be interesting. If you don't you EFL, enlazar gives
you nothing extra.

regards
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Re: 3 nets

[Oliver Uvman]

Ah ok, thanks for clarifying.

/Oliver

>playing media != IPTV
>I know of the glamo chip. It will do little to help decode IPTV-style
>compression realtime AFAIK.
>As mentioned in this thread before, you have to transcode offline prior to
>playing it on NEO. Glamo might help to avoid prerotating, but still you
have
>to decode/transcode.
>
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Re: Accelerometer brainstorming

[Kyle Bassett]

I think your examples are very possible.  "Kind of reaching" would be
something like trying to detect the type of jacket the person is wearing
based on how much the fibers stretch during each step...or whether their
jacket is open, by measuring the horizontal swinging motion.  If the
acceleration curve is very crisp, then the phone is prolly in their pant
pocket.  ;-)  but I still say these things are not *impossible*, just
require some very intuitive software.

-Kyle


On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Crane, Matthew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
> * I mentioned this in another thread, but if the device:
>- goes from 60km+ to 0 in short order, e.g. high g stop
>- while traveling horizontally
>- over a road
>- an on-screen alert/countdown is not stoped
> Then it's likely a vehicular accident so auto-call/sms for help with
> some kind of countdown to disable.  Only really possible to do that with
> a phone + GPS + acell.
>
> * Sense when the owner is in a car by keying on the vibration signature
> and acceleration, possibly with gps data, and automatically bring up the
> assigned travel/map application.
>
> * Use acell data to charecterize person carrying the phone (as many
> couples out there will share phones, or give to children) and tie into
> user profile.
>
> * Detect when phone has dropped out of ones pocket, short fall by aprupt
> stop, beep three times loudly.  (that's kind of reaching..)
>
> Matt
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Feldgendler
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 9:22 AM
> To: List for OpenMoko community discussion
> Subject: Accelerometer brainstorming
>
>
> Just like my recent post about using GPS to enhance the phone, I'll try
> to
> explore the synergy opportunities for the accelerometers that Neo has.
> Once again, some of this might have already been discussed.
>
> * Intuitive mute: put the ringing phone on a flat horizontal surface
> (table) with its screen facing down to stop the ringing. Intuitive for
> the
> user and easy to detect with the accelerometers. Could also be used to
> hang up the current call. The gesture is very distinguishable and is
> hard
> to misinterpret because there aren't many situations when the user would
>
> normally put the phone on the table screen down.
>
> * Vibration control: when the phone is lying flat, either with its
> screen
> up or down, don't vibrate, so as to not produce the annoying loud noise.
>
> Ring instead, or do something else. Maybe make a weaker vibration, if
> the
> vibrator can do that.
>
> * Step counter: use the accelerometers to count steps when walking or
> running. Some people use dedicated devices for that.
>
> * GPS power saving: you can't move if you don't accelerate, so don't do
>
> power-expensive location detection until acceleration is detected. Once
>
> it's detected, start monitoring the location and keep doing it. Stop
> monitoring once the position stops changing for a while.
>
>
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Our Wiki page views

[Brenda Wang]

Hi , Every one :

Attached file is our wiki Top 50 page views this month since 10, Mar to 30.
Unfortunately , I can't export the file with English version.
Just for reference.

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Re: Community announcement: poll for Openmoko "Community Member of the Week"

[Michael Shiloh]

Hi!

Thanks whoever set up the wiki page.

I'd like to suggest a minor change: The last column should be the names 
(or nick) of the voters, to avoid voting twice by mistake. Take a look 
at the third line I've just added as a sample.


If there are no objections I'll make that change at the end of this week 
when we set up for next week. (I'll just change the column heading.)


Come to think of it, we don't really need to record the nominator, do we?

Congratulations Kevin and Josch on your nominations!

It should be noted that we appreciate the work of all of you, whether 
you win or not.


Michael

Sven Klomp wrote:

Great idea, Michael!

I don't know how the voting should be handled. However, I want to start with a 
nomination:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Member_of_the_Week

Greetings
Sven

On Friday 28 March 2008 19:32:22 Michael Shiloh wrote:

Dear community,

I'd like to initiate a weekly poll for you, our community, to nominate a
fellow community member who has contributed substantially to the
project, whether an application, a bug fix, testing work, How-To guide,
whatever.

The intent is clearly to identify and appreciate those of you who have
made and continue to make substantial contributions, and also to
encourage that extra bit of work required to turn a good application
into an excellent one, with a nicely polished GUI, a well written user
guide, etc.

There is also an important open source philosophical point to this: As I
speak at many public events, I am often asked to justify the open source
nature of this project, and specifically how the community contributes
to the project. I try to keep up with everything you all do, but the
amount is so high that I'm sure I'm missing many important contributions.

This poll will allow you to bring to my attention work I may have missed.

I emphasize that this is not limited to applications or in fact software
at all.

I'm not sure if it makes more sense to do this on the wiki or the
website, but I'd like to try doing this on the wiki first. I think our
community is sufficiently honest and respectful that we don't need
elaborate checks to make sure people aren't voting more than once.

Perhaps all that is needed is a wiki page with a table with 3 columns:
Nominator (your name or nickname), nominee (who you are voting for) and
reason.

At the end of the week the winner gets a T-shirt from
http://128333.spreadshirt.com/us/US/Shop/ and a new poll takes place.

Thoughts?

Can someone set up such a wiki page?

Once we iron out the details and the wiki page is set up I'll announce
this on the "announce" list.

Thanks,
Michael


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wiki page views --English version

[Brenda Wang]

Hi , Every one :

Attached file is our wiki Top 50 page views this month since 10, Mar to 30.
Fortunately , someone help me to transfer to  English version.
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support win mobile

[John Lee]

Dear Community,

A decision has been made _today_ that Openmoko is going to support
Windows mobile.  We, the distribution team, want to provide our
customers the maximum freedom in choosing whatever platform they want,
even the close source ones.  We will make necessary modifications to
wine, thus enable win mobile on neo.

One specific Openmoko hardware is going to support Windows mobile.
It's the Neo Pocky.  A prototype has been made and placed in our
meeting room for quite a while.  Please check this url for intro and
photos:

http://walkingice.twbbs.org/blog/?p=336


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choosing a standard

[Flemming Richter Mikkelsen]

Hi list.

I want to write an application for the Freerunner to control stuff in my house.
This includes TV, light and other stuff.

For the TV, I want a smart remote, that remembers which channels I
usually watch on a given time and weekday. It should sort the channels
so that my favorite program appears first. This is not something I
will implement, but I want to make a lib. for communication with TV,
lights, etc. The systems could be accessed through wlan, bluetooth,
etc.

All these peripherals should communicate using the same standard
protocol. My problem is to choose a good one. It must support:
  - auto registration of devices (each device has a default ID and a
device_type_id,
it will be discovered on broadcast and assigned an unique ID, much like DMLS
(http://www.dmls.com))
  - knowing what kind of device it is (device_type_id)
(ligh (on/off or dimming, etc), TV (selecting channels, etc), etc)
  - ask the devices for status report
  - send control message to the devices

My plan is to connect the divices to a micro controller, a multiplexer
and then to a linksys wireless router (flashed) over rs232 or usb. A
normal computer could of course also be used.

I am not sure exactly how or when to do this, but it would be cool. Any ideas?
The most important thing is that it is an open standard with low overhead.

-- Flemming

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Re: support win mobile

[Vincent]

On 4/1/08, John Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dear Community,
>
> A decision has been made _today_ that Openmoko is going to support
> Windows mobile.  We, the distribution team, want to provide our
> customers the maximum freedom in choosing whatever platform they want,
> even the close source ones.  We will make necessary modifications to
> wine, thus enable win mobile on neo.
>
> One specific Openmoko hardware is going to support Windows mobile.
> It's the Neo Pocky.  A prototype has been made and placed in our
> meeting room for quite a while.  Please check this url for intro and
> photos:
>
> http://walkingice.twbbs.org/blog/?p=336


Excellent! While I thought the Neo was an excellent device, I didn't quite
like the openness of the OS. You know, it adds security risks and stuff. I'm
very happy to see we are given choice in this matter.

Regards,
> John Lee
>

Thanks again,

-- 
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Re: Network Manager

[Stefan Schmidt]

On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 20:54, Alex Zhang wrote:
> Alexandre Ghisoli wrote:
>> Le lundi 31 mars 2008 à 11:30 +0800, Alex Zhang a écrit :
>>   
>>
>> An feature that would be nice is roaming. Imagine you are using WiFi at
>> home and you are leaving the WiFi range.
>> A warning box could tell you will loose your connection and then open a
>> GMS (GPRS ) connexion to keep it connected.

From the user experience I would avoid a popup and just to the
roaming. But that is detail.

>> And for business needs, a VPN manager would be very nice (OpenVPN or
>> OpenSWAN IPSEC based).

Once the VPN plugin stuff from 0.6.6 is ported to 0.7 that should work
well. Of course you would need to reconsider the UI, but most of the
work is inside the NM daemon anyway.

> Cool! I like such ideas. If use NM as backend, it's not so hard to  
> support these features. :)

If you like to speedup those efforts you can always help upstream to
get it in place.

regards
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Re: Accelerometer brainstorming

[Christian Beier]

Am Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:09:14 +0100
schrieb Peter Kraker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Unfortunately you need accurate speed to be able to get usable data
> from accelerometers for that. That's why some GPS modules have an
> interface for tachometer.
May be the history of GPS could be used to approximate the speed. Of
course, it's not accurate but when you assume facts like:

* you have already slow down your vehicle before entering the tunnel
* you will never accelerate in the tunnel
* max tunnel length of 3km

the variance should not be so huge. At least it's easier than connect
the tachometer. The other question is: do you really need the correct
position in the tunnel? If you know the position when the signal get
lost and know that you are in that special tunnel it should be enough.
Of course, it makes more sens in urban "tunnels" between huge buildings.

Correct me if I'm wrong, don't know tunnels outside Europe.

Christian

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OpenMoko and Opera Mini?

[Erland Lewin]

Does OpenMoko run Opera Mini?

Opera mini is Java, right, so it should run if OpenMoko has Java support?
And I think I've seen that there is at least some initial Java support in
OpenMoko, correct me if I'm wrong. Has anyone tried it?

I realize that Opera Mini is closed-source, but IMHO it's a brilliant idea
on GSM networks, making web surfing faster, less expensive, and well adapted
to small screens. As far as I know, there is no open source alternative...

/Erland
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FreeRunner mass market phone, status?

[Kristijan Krsteski]

Dear community,
Today is 1-th of April, and by my information We have to see mass market
phone available for buying!?
It's been such a long time that announce list isn't update!
As for me, I'm waiting for mass market phone until July/2007.
I thing that without any precision date for freerunner availability in the
very near future, I can't wait anymore!?
Maybe, this isn't only my decision but no matter how much I would like to
have OpenMoko phone, there is time to move forward.
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Re: choosing a standard

[Andy Powell]

On Monday 31 March 2008 14:59, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote:
> Hi list.
>
> I want to write an application for the Freerunner to control stuff in my
> house. This includes TV, light and other stuff.
>
> For the TV, I want a smart remote, that remembers which channels I
> usually watch on a given time and weekday. It should sort the channels
> so that my favorite program appears first. This is not something I
> will implement, but I want to make a lib. for communication with TV,
> lights, etc. The systems could be accessed through wlan, bluetooth,
> etc.
>
> All these peripherals should communicate using the same standard
> protocol. My problem is to choose a good one. It must support:
>   - auto registration of devices (each device has a default ID and a
> device_type_id,
> it will be discovered on broadcast and assigned an unique ID, much like
> DMLS (http://www.dmls.com))
>   - knowing what kind of device it is (device_type_id)
> (ligh (on/off or dimming, etc), TV (selecting channels, etc), etc)
>   - ask the devices for status report
>   - send control message to the devices
>
> My plan is to connect the divices to a micro controller, a multiplexer
> and then to a linksys wireless router (flashed) over rs232 or usb. A
> normal computer could of course also be used.
>
> I am not sure exactly how or when to do this, but it would be cool. Any
> ideas? The most important thing is that it is an open standard with low
> overhead.
>
> -- Flemming

Perhaps taking a look at the xap and xpl protocols might be helpful

http://www.xapautomation.org/index.php?title=xAP_Home_Automation_protocol

http://wiki.xplproject.org.uk/index.php/XPL_Links


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Re: Network Manager

[Alex Zhang]

Hi Stefan,

Long time no see. :)
I think it's easy to develop a daemon talking with NM to manage the  
networks. But most important thing is to merge NM into our devices,  
because NM depends on many packages like: libnl, hal, udev, dhclient,  
wpa_supplicant ...



That is the point where a good build system comes into play.
OpenEmbedded handles this for us. I hope you don't build all the stuff
for your device by hand.

  


Yes, I did it by hand, because my device is based on MIPS. I have no 
idea how to setup OE to support MIPS. :-[
I wrote a little Makefile to build GLib, DBus, HAL, UDEV, Libnl ... NM, 
it works just fine for me. :)

In addition, though NM-0.7 has a clear framework, but it's not ready ATM :(



Well, have you tested it at least? I'm using SVN rev 3202 of the NM
daemon here for some months now. 


I run SVN r3506 or NM-0.6.5 on my device. They are NOT work so good as 
my expected, maybe I miss something.

It allows me to connect to wired
ethernet, open wifi, WEP wifi, WPA wifi and WPA2 wifi. It is not SVN
HEAD but runs pretty stable. 


You mean on your PC or GTA02?

Of course I'm also waiting for a 0.7
release, but having all the API changes in mind, coding against 0.6.6
makes no sense.

  
Anyway, glad to see you're starting such project, Hope can share some  
idea with you :)



To elaborate a bit more on enlazar. It is not a daemon. It is an UI
for NM using EFL written against a given product spec. The major work
goes into e_nm, a convenience library inside e_dbus.

There are also more ideas how to improve NM itself on mobile
devices. For example keep the wifi connection down most of the time
and react on "network requests" of applications. Like pppd dial on
demand. But that are just ideas right now.
  


Yes, it needs many effort to improve NM for embedded device.

So if your device uses EFL enlazar could be interesting for you. Or
better e_nm could be interesting. If you don't you EFL, enlazar gives
you nothing extra.
  

Sorry, What's EFL & e_nm?

Thanks so much for your comments!
Alex

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Treo 750 and Openmoko PLEASE!

[McCreery, Lee CTR DISA]

Hey all,

 

My company just supplied me with Treo 750's.  Before fumbling around
with the Windows based OS, I would like to test drive OM while waiting
on the GTA02 release.

 

Can someone from the community point me in the direction of distructions
on how to install OM and get this working?

 

Thanks,

 

Lee

 



Lee G. McCreery

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RE: Accelerometer brainstorming

[Crane, Matthew]

Thanks.  This package's guts might work as a starting point for gesture
recognition.   Prob some other fos out there sw does similar things.  
 
http://www.risujin.org/cellwriter
 
 


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Subject: Re: Accelerometer brainstorming


I think your examples are very possible.  "Kind of reaching" would be
something like trying to detect the type of jacket the person is wearing
based on how much the fibers stretch during each step...or whether their
jacket is open, by measuring the horizontal swinging motion.  If the
acceleration curve is very crisp, then the phone is prolly in their pant
pocket.  ;-)  but I still say these things are not *impossible*, just
require some very intuitive software.

-Kyle



On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Crane, Matthew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:



* I mentioned this in another thread, but if the device:
   - goes from 60km+ to 0 in short order, e.g. high g stop
   - while traveling horizontally
   - over a road
   - an on-screen alert/countdown is not stoped
Then it's likely a vehicular accident so auto-call/sms for help
with
some kind of countdown to disable.  Only really possible to do
that with
a phone + GPS + acell.

* Sense when the owner is in a car by keying on the vibration
signature
and acceleration, possibly with gps data, and automatically
bring up the
assigned travel/map application.

* Use acell data to charecterize person carrying the phone (as
many
couples out there will share phones, or give to children) and
tie into
user profile.

* Detect when phone has dropped out of ones pocket, short fall
by aprupt
stop, beep three times loudly.  (that's kind of reaching..)

Matt



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Just like my recent post about using GPS to enhance the phone,
I'll try
to
explore the synergy opportunities for the accelerometers that
Neo has.
Once again, some of this might have already been discussed.

* Intuitive mute: put the ringing phone on a flat horizontal
surface
(table) with its screen facing down to stop the ringing.
Intuitive for
the
user and easy to detect with the accelerometers. Could also be
used to
hang up the current call. The gesture is very distinguishable
and is
hard
to misinterpret because there aren't many situations when the
user would

normally put the phone on the table screen down.

* Vibration control: when the phone is lying flat, either with
its
screen
up or down, don't vibrate, so as to not produce the annoying
loud noise.

Ring instead, or do something else. Maybe make a weaker
vibration, if
the
vibrator can do that.

* Step counter: use the accelerometers to count steps when
walking or
running. Some people use dedicated devices for that.

* GPS power saving: you can't move if you don't accelerate, so
don't do

power-expensive location detection until acceleration is
detected. Once

it's detected, start monitoring the location and keep doing it.
Stop
monitoring once the position stops changing for a while.


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Re: support win mobile

[Andy Powell]

On Tuesday 01 April 2008 07:05, John Lee wrote:
> Dear Community,
>
> A decision has been made _today_ that Openmoko is going to support
> Windows mobile.  We, the distribution team, want to provide our
> customers the maximum freedom in choosing whatever platform they want,
> even the close source ones.  We will make necessary modifications to
> wine, thus enable win mobile on neo.
>
> One specific Openmoko hardware is going to support Windows mobile.
> It's the Neo Pocky.  A prototype has been made and placed in our
> meeting room for quite a while.  Please check this url for intro and
> photos:
>
> http://walkingice.twbbs.org/blog/?p=336
>
>
> Regards,
> John Lee

Wow, I've just ported Windows mobile to the neo1973  perhaps you can 
license that too?

Andy

/yes I know
//no really, I do.

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Re: support win mobile

[Ryan Prior]

This really shows how little the OpenMoko community understands the
Neo. Why port Windows Mobile when we could be porting Windows 3.1?

Windows 3.1 is a lightweight OS which has excellent application
support from a broad and stable base of industry, and which has
successors which we know to be of excellent quality. As the
capabilities of future Neo phones increase, we have an upgrade path
which we know to be successful and an ever-expanding number of
applications supported.

The future is DOS - Windows 3.1

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Andy Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 April 2008 07:05, John Lee wrote:
>  > Dear Community,
>  >
>  > A decision has been made _today_ that Openmoko is going to support
>  > Windows mobile.  We, the distribution team, want to provide our
>  > customers the maximum freedom in choosing whatever platform they want,
>  > even the close source ones.  We will make necessary modifications to
>  > wine, thus enable win mobile on neo.
>  >
>  > One specific Openmoko hardware is going to support Windows mobile.
>  > It's the Neo Pocky.  A prototype has been made and placed in our
>  > meeting room for quite a while.  Please check this url for intro and
>  > photos:
>  >
>  > http://walkingice.twbbs.org/blog/?p=336
>  >
>  >
>  > Regards,
>  > John Lee
>
>  Wow, I've just ported Windows mobile to the neo1973  perhaps you can
>  license that too?
>
>  Andy
>
>  /yes I know
>  //no really, I do.
>
>
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Re: Car charger to GTA02

[Kolja Dummann]

I don't know, if there will be a "official" Car Charger, but if not you
might use something like this[1]

[1] http://tiny.cc/IJMHm

2008/4/1, Alexander Frøyseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hey.
> Is it any plans about a car charger to FreeRunner?
> And if it is, what are the status?
> If not this is something i can need.
>
> Alexander Frøyseth
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Re: wiki page views --English version

[Flemming Richter Mikkelsen]

On 4/1/08, Brenda Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi , Every one :
>
> Attached file is our wiki Top 50 page views this month since 10, Mar to
> 30.
> Fortunately , someone help me to transfer to  English version.
> Just for reference.
>
>
>
> Brenda


This is really great. It will also give an idea of what to focus on. Very
interesting:)

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Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)

[Harald Welte]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 07:46:52PM +0100, joerg wrote:
> Am Do  27. März 2008 schrieb Lally Singh:
> > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> > >
> > >  >> 2. Actually, is there any hope of getting 3d acceleration out of the
> > >  >> graphics chip, or is that too bogged down with NDA-ness?  Are we stuck
> > >  >> porting Mesa3D?
> > >
> > >  Chance, sure, but the NDA situation is pretty bad it turns out for the
> > >  Glamo.
> > 
> > It's a shame!  Poor (Glamo) fools are shooting themselves in the foot
> > on this one.
> 
> full ACK! Anyway there's hope, there were volunteers on one of the lists 
> yesterday, who might be willing to sign a NDA.

Please note though, that being one of the persons who drafted the
wording on the contract between Smedia and OpenMoko: The contract
contains explicit provisions for OpenMoko preparing a set of
documentation for the Glamo chip, not carbon-copying from the original
NDA'd docs, and then cooperating with Smedia to jointly release that 
new manual.

However, I doubt that given the current load and priority situation,
there would be anyone doing paid work on that set of new documentation.

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Re: Accelerometer brainstorming

[Alexey Feldgendler]

On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:09:21 +0200, Christian Beier  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Unfortunately you need accurate speed to be able to get usable data
from accelerometers for that. That's why some GPS modules have an
interface for tachometer.



May be the history of GPS could be used to approximate the speed. Of
course, it's not accurate but when you assume facts like:

* you have already slow down your vehicle before entering the tunnel
* you will never accelerate in the tunnel
* max tunnel length of 3km

the variance should not be so huge. At least it's easier than connect
the tachometer. The other question is: do you really need the correct
position in the tunnel? If you know the position when the signal get
lost and know that you are in that special tunnel it should be enough.
Of course, it makes more sens in urban "tunnels" between huge buildings.


In Norway, where I live, some tunnels are very long and even sometimes  
contain internal enter and exit lanes, so there can be more than one way  
to go. My Garmin navigator tries to estimate where I am basing on the  
speed I had when entering the tunnel, so sometimes it notifies me of an  
internal exit I have to take too late.



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Re: choosing a standard

[Flemming Richter Mikkelsen]

On 4/1/08, Andy Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Monday 31 March 2008 14:59, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote:
> ...

> All these peripherals should communicate using the same standard
> > protocol. My problem is to choose a good one. It must support:
> >   - auto registration of devices (each device has a default ID and a
> > device_type_id,
> > it will be discovered on broadcast and assigned an unique ID, much
> like
> > DMLS (http://www.dmls.com))
> >   - knowing what kind of device it is (device_type_id)
> > (ligh (on/off or dimming, etc), TV (selecting channels, etc), etc)
> >   - ask the devices for status report
> >   - send control message to the devices
> >
> > My plan is to connect the divices to a micro controller, a multiplexer
> > and then to a linksys wireless router (flashed) over rs232 or usb. A
> > normal computer could of course also be used.
> >
> > I am not sure exactly how or when to do this, but it would be cool. Any
> > ideas? The most important thing is that it is an open standard with low
> > overhead.
> >
> > -- Flemming
>
> Perhaps taking a look at the xap and xpl protocols might be helpful
>
> http://www.xapautomation.org/index.php?title=xAP_Home_Automation_protocol
>
> http://wiki.xplproject.org.uk/index.php/XPL_Links
>
>
> Andy


Thank you Andy! I will have a look at them during the weekend:)

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Re: Network Manager

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| And for business needs, a VPN manager would be very nice (OpenVPN or
| OpenSWAN IPSEC based).

This would indeed be very useful, not just for business either: it
allows safe use of open WLAN without possibility of snooping by the AP
owner or anyone else monitoring.

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Re: support win mobile

[Ian Darwin]

John Lee wrote:

Dear Community,

A decision has been made _today_ that Openmoko is going to support
Windows mobile.  We, the distribution team, want to provide our
customers the maximum freedom in choosing whatever platform they want,
even the close source ones.  We will make necessary modifications to
wine, thus enable win mobile on neo.

One specific Openmoko hardware is going to support Windows mobile.
It's the Neo Pocky.  A prototype has been made and placed in our
meeting room for quite a while.  Please check this url for intro and
photos:

http://walkingice.twbbs.org/blog/?p=336


Hmmm, from the picture, it looks like the purfect pet to run Windows on.

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Re: Accelerometer brainstorming

[Flemming Richter Mikkelsen]

On 4/1/08, Alexey Feldgendler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In Norway, where I live, some tunnels are very long and even sometimes
> contain internal enter and exit lanes, so there can be more than one way
> to go. My Garmin navigator tries to estimate where I am basing on the
> speed I had when entering the tunnel, so sometimes it notifies me of an
> internal exit I have to take too late.
>
Correct! We even have round abouts inside tunnels. If you take the wrong
exit,
you would have to drive for a long time to be able to turn and get back (on
the
highway). So the phone needs a system that is better than the one from
Garmin.

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Re: support win mobile

[Federico Lorenzi]

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Ian Darwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> John Lee wrote:
>  > Dear Community,
>  >
>  > A decision has been made _today_ that Openmoko is going to support
>  > Windows mobile.  We, the distribution team, want to provide our
>  > customers the maximum freedom in choosing whatever platform they want,
>  > even the close source ones.  We will make necessary modifications to
>  > wine, thus enable win mobile on neo.
>  >
>  > One specific Openmoko hardware is going to support Windows mobile.
>  > It's the Neo Pocky.  A prototype has been made and placed in our
>  > meeting room for quite a while.  Please check this url for intro and
>  > photos:
>  >
>  > http://walkingice.twbbs.org/blog/?p=336
>
>  Hmmm, from the picture, it looks like the purfect pet to run Windows on.
I can haz win mobile phone pls?
http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/View.aspx?ciid=880127

Cheers,
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Re: choosing a standard

[Tilman Baumann]

Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote:


My plan is to connect the divices to a micro controller, a multiplexer
and then to a linksys wireless router (flashed) over rs232 or usb. A
normal computer could of course also be used.


Sun had Jini, which was then a bit to early and now nearly forgotten.

UPNP has some aspects of remote control in a semantically abstract way. 
But UPNP is way too complex to be cool. :(

Looks to me completely over designed and arbitrary.

I hoped to see someting to come out of the bluetooth corner. But have 
not seen anything interesting there yet.
And all that house automation and telemetry crap (like CANOpen) i have 
seen looks to mee like it would be not abstract enough to be fun at all.


Never heard of that XPL thing, but sounds really nice. :)

Regards
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Re: support win mobile

[Tilman Baumann]

Ryan Prior wrote:

This really shows how little the OpenMoko community understands the
Neo. Why port Windows Mobile when we could be porting Windows 3.1?

Windows 3.1 is a lightweight OS which has excellent application
support from a broad and stable base of industry, and which has
successors which we know to be of excellent quality. As the
capabilities of future Neo phones increase, we have an upgrade path
which we know to be successful and an ever-expanding number of
applications supported.

The future is DOS - Windows 3.1


You made my day.

But i want to run AmigaOS on the Pucky. Could someone please port that 
to polymethane foam?


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Re: support win mobile

[Paolo Cavallini]

Vincent ha scritto:

> Excellent! While I thought the Neo was an excellent device, I didn't
> quite like the openness of the OS. You know, it adds security risks and
> stuff.

??
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Re: support win mobile

[Marc Verwerft]

Hmm. You don't like the openness of the OS? Can you elaborate why?
It's the openness of the OS and underlying hardware that allows to
have inventive uses for this device ...

And as regards security: if there is anything I learned from the likes
of Bruce Schneier, it's to distrust anything not open for inspection
...

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Vincent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 4/1/08, John Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dear Community,
> >
> > A decision has been made _today_ that Openmoko is going to support
> > Windows mobile.  We, the distribution team, want to provide our
> > customers the maximum freedom in choosing whatever platform they want,
> > even the close source ones.  We will make necessary modifications to
> > wine, thus enable win mobile on neo.
> >
> > One specific Openmoko hardware is going to support Windows mobile.
> > It's the Neo Pocky.  A prototype has been made and placed in our
> > meeting room for quite a while.  Please check this url for intro and
> > photos:
> >
> > http://walkingice.twbbs.org/blog/?p=336
>
> Excellent! While I thought the Neo was an excellent device, I didn't quite
> like the openness of the OS. You know, it adds security risks and stuff. I'm
> very happy to see we are given choice in this matter.
>
> > Regards,
> > John Lee
> >
>
> Thanks again,
>
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Re: support win mobile

[Tilman Baumann]

Paolo Cavallini wrote:

Vincent ha scritto:


Excellent! While I thought the Neo was an excellent device, I didn't
quite like the openness of the OS. You know, it adds security risks and
stuff.


??


Check your calendar. ;)
Noticed something? April, first, ...

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Re: Accelerometer brainstorming

[Alexey Feldgendler]

On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:10:20 +0200, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



In Norway, where I live, some tunnels are very long and even sometimes
contain internal enter and exit lanes, so there can be more than one way
to go. My Garmin navigator tries to estimate where I am basing on the
speed I had when entering the tunnel, so sometimes it notifies me of an
internal exit I have to take too late.



Correct! We even have round abouts inside tunnels. If you take the wrong
exit, you would have to drive for a long time to be able to turn and get
back (on the highway). So the phone needs a system that is better than
the one from Garmin.


Are roundabouts in tunnels an April fool? Never encountered one.


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Re: support win mobile

[Tim Shannon]

note the date

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Paolo Cavallini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Vincent ha scritto:
>
> > Excellent! While I thought the Neo was an excellent device, I didn't
> > quite like the openness of the OS. You know, it adds security risks and
> > stuff.
>
> ??
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Wireless charger for Neo

[Alexey Feldgendler]

Hello!

Some mobile phone vendors are now looking into wireless charging. A  
wireless charger technology is more user-friendly than the traditional  
wired phone chargers. However, users will only truly benefit from the  
interoperability between chargers for different phones if the vendors  
agree on a common protocol; otherwise, we'll have the same situation as we  
have now with wired chargers: every phone vendor makes their own charger  
incompatible with the others.


In fact, an open protocol for transfer of electricity over IP has existed  
since 2002: RFC 3251 . After DVE  
(Discrete Voltage Encoding), the electric current can be quickly and  
securely transmitted to one or more devices over WiFi or Bluetooth in an  
MPLampS infrastructure. A consumer device can then decode the voltage and  
use it to recharge its battery.


Will OpenMoko, with its openness, be the first to implement MPLampS?


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Re: FreeRunner mass market phone, status?

[Matt Manjos]

Well, the mass market phone itself won't be available for a long time.
The next date should be the release of the HARDWARE of the final
phone, but shipping with incomplete (developer) software. If you want
a final, polished, stable phone, it's going to be some time now.

Last I heard the testing was going on for how well they could ramp up
production (finding fabrication bugs, improving factory yields). I'd
like an update from Michael on that process, but knowing the details
won't make it show up any sooner :P

Matt

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Kristijan Krsteski
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear community,
> Today is 1-th of April, and by my information We have to see mass market
> phone available for buying!?
> It's been such a long time that announce list isn't update!
> As for me, I'm waiting for mass market phone until July/2007.
> I thing that without any precision date for freerunner availability in the
> very near future, I can't wait anymore!?
> Maybe, this isn't only my decision but no matter how much I would like to
> have OpenMoko phone, there is time to move forward.
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Re: support win mobile

[Matt Manjos]

It's about time this decision has been made. I'm sick and tired of
having all this source code lying around. I feel much better if it's
all taken care of by someone else.

When do the NDAs get shipped out, so community members can get
authorized to work on software for the Freerunner?

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tilman Baumann ha scritto:
>  > [snip]
>
> > Check your calendar. ;)
>  > Noticed something? April, first, ...
>  >
>  >  Tilman
>
>  OMG, i was just waiting for it, it's very beautiful and easy to use,
>  highly customizable,.
>  I was planning to buy a GTA03 instead of a GTA02 i hope that you are
>  serious regarding the GTA03!!!
>
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Re: support win mobile

[Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano]

Tilman Baumann ha scritto:

[snip]
Check your calendar. ;)
Noticed something? April, first, ...

 Tilman


OMG, i was just waiting for it, it's very beautiful and easy to use, 
highly customizable,.
I was planning to buy a GTA03 instead of a GTA02 i hope that you are 
serious regarding the GTA03!!!


Pietro

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Re: choosing a standard

[Tilman Baumann]

Tilman Baumann wrote:

Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote:


My plan is to connect the divices to a micro controller, a multiplexer
and then to a linksys wireless router (flashed) over rs232 or usb. A
normal computer could of course also be used.


Sun had Jini, which was then a bit to early and now nearly forgotten.

UPNP has some aspects of remote control in a semantically abstract way. 
But UPNP is way too complex to be cool. :(

Looks to me completely over designed and arbitrary.


Just found this.
http://www.gupnp.org/

Claims to take the pain away from using upnp. Maybe that's just enough.
Benefit of upnp would be, that there are already many devices out there. 
And if 'the industry'[tm] chooses any as standard, it will probably be this.


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RE: support win mobile

[Crane, Matthew]

You need to fill out the form to request an NDA and have your IP lawyer
submit it to Microsoft along with a $100,000 consideration fee.

Matt

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When do the NDAs get shipped out, so community members can get
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> Tilman Baumann ha scritto:
>  > [snip]
>
> > Check your calendar. ;)
>  > Noticed something? April, first, ...
>  >
>  >  Tilman
>
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>  highly customizable,.
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Re: Wireless charger for Neo

[Ortwin Regel]

Why not simply use standard wireless USB chargers?

On 4/1/08, Alexey Feldgendler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello!
>
> Some mobile phone vendors are now looking into wireless charging. A
> wireless charger technology is more user-friendly than the traditional
> wired phone chargers. However, users will only truly benefit from the
> interoperability between chargers for different phones if the vendors
> agree on a common protocol; otherwise, we'll have the same situation as we
> have now with wired chargers: every phone vendor makes their own charger
> incompatible with the others.
>
> In fact, an open protocol for transfer of electricity over IP has existed
> since 2002: RFC 3251 . After DVE
> (Discrete Voltage Encoding), the electric current can be quickly and
> securely transmitted to one or more devices over WiFi or Bluetooth in an
> MPLampS infrastructure. A consumer device can then decode the voltage and
> use it to recharge its battery.
>
> Will OpenMoko, with its openness, be the first to implement MPLampS?
>
>
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Re: Car charger to GTA02

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Hmm
Perhaps I will make one, and offcorse share the plans.
I do not have a Neo, but if someone dares to try it on theirs and it 
works, I will be a verry happy man.


Starting the research now, anyone that can give me the specs of the 
charger, Voltage and Amps.


Alexander Frøyseth

Kolja Dummann skrev:
I don't know, if there will be a "official" Car Charger, but if not 
you might use something like this[1]


[1] http://tiny.cc/IJMHm

2008/4/1, Alexander Frøyseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>:


Hey.
Is it any plans about a car charger to FreeRunner?
And if it is, what are the status?
If not this is something i can need.

Alexander Frøyseth

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Re: Car charger to GTA02

[Johann Koenig]

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Alexander Frøyseth
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Hmm
>  Perhaps I will make one, and offcorse share the plans.
>  I do not have a Neo, but if someone dares to try it on theirs and it works,
> I will be a verry happy man.
>
>  Starting the research now, anyone that can give me the specs of the
> charger, Voltage and Amps.

This has been sort-of discussed before. Looking back:

On Mar 27, 2008, at 2:58 PM, joerg wrote:
> Correct, it checks for 48k-OHM resistor on ID-pin of mini-USB, then enables 1A
> instead of 100/500mA USB-standard.

And I believe USB (by specification) provides 5V. So as long as your
charger is capable of providing 5V and 1A, you could set up the
resistor and the GTA02 would automatically draw the full amount.

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Re: support win mobile

[Michael Shiloh]

ROTFL!



John Lee wrote:

Dear Community,

A decision has been made _today_ that Openmoko is going to support
Windows mobile.  We, the distribution team, want to provide our
customers the maximum freedom in choosing whatever platform they want,
even the close source ones.  We will make necessary modifications to
wine, thus enable win mobile on neo.

One specific Openmoko hardware is going to support Windows mobile.
It's the Neo Pocky.  A prototype has been made and placed in our
meeting room for quite a while.  Please check this url for intro and
photos:

http://walkingice.twbbs.org/blog/?p=336


Regards,
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Re: support win mobile

[Michael Shiloh]

ROTFLMAO!

Ryan Prior wrote:

This really shows how little the OpenMoko community understands the
Neo. Why port Windows Mobile when we could be porting Windows 3.1?

Windows 3.1 is a lightweight OS which has excellent application
support from a broad and stable base of industry, and which has
successors which we know to be of excellent quality. As the
capabilities of future Neo phones increase, we have an upgrade path
which we know to be successful and an ever-expanding number of
applications supported.

The future is DOS - Windows 3.1

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Andy Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tuesday 01 April 2008 07:05, John Lee wrote:
 > Dear Community,
 >
 > A decision has been made _today_ that Openmoko is going to support
 > Windows mobile.  We, the distribution team, want to provide our
 > customers the maximum freedom in choosing whatever platform they want,
 > even the close source ones.  We will make necessary modifications to
 > wine, thus enable win mobile on neo.
 >
 > One specific Openmoko hardware is going to support Windows mobile.
 > It's the Neo Pocky.  A prototype has been made and placed in our
 > meeting room for quite a while.  Please check this url for intro and
 > photos:
 >
 > http://walkingice.twbbs.org/blog/?p=336
 >
 >
 > Regards,
 > John Lee

 Wow, I've just ported Windows mobile to the neo1973  perhaps you can
 license that too?

 Andy

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Re: Wireless charger for Neo

[Alexey Feldgendler]

On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:46:57 +0200, Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Will OpenMoko, with its openness, be the first to implement MPLampS?



Why not simply use standard wireless USB chargers?


Or figure out how this device is implemented.
http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/wec.shtml

However, this can be unsuitable for Neo without transcoding from high  
voltage AC to low voltage DC.



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Re: Car charger to GTA02

[Michael Shiloh]

A generic solution can be built this way:

1. Locate a generic USB car charger e.g. 
http://www.daydeal.com/product.php?productid=10892. Make sure it can 
supply at least 1A. Note in my example that the specs don't say this, 
but if you look at the picture carefully you can read the 1A on the 
label. They are very common. I think I found one for less than $2.00.


2. Purchase a standard USB A to Mini B cable,e.g. 
http://www.cablesforless.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=14660. 
These too are common. I have about 4 left over from digital cameras. You 
can probably get them for free by asking your friends and relatives.


3. Carefully slice open the cable and solder in the appropriate resistor 
between the appropriate conductors (someone needs to document this)


Now you have a generic USB car adapter that you can use on any device, 
and a special USB cable that can probably be used to charge your GTA02 
on most standard USB chargers.


I say "probably" and "most" because of all the non-standard methods 
manufacturers, including us, use to identify their own charger to their 
own devices, like shorting various pins or installing resistors between 
various pins. I would imagine some combinations will not work.


By the way, if someone nicely documents step 3, including the resistor 
value, and how to identify which wires go to which pins, with excellent 
drawings or photographs, I'll nominate that for a "developer of the 
week" award :-)


Michael

Alexander Frøyseth wrote:

  Hmm
Perhaps I will make one, and offcorse share the plans.
I do not have a Neo, but if someone dares to try it on theirs and it 
works, I will be a verry happy man.


Starting the research now, anyone that can give me the specs of the 
charger, Voltage and Amps.


Alexander Frøyseth

Kolja Dummann skrev:
I don't know, if there will be a "official" Car Charger, but if not 
you might use something like this[1]


[1] http://tiny.cc/IJMHm

2008/4/1, Alexander Frøyseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>:


Hey.
Is it any plans about a car charger to FreeRunner?
And if it is, what are the status?
If not this is something i can need.

Alexander Frøyseth

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Re: support win mobile

[Joe Pfeiffer]

Paolo Cavallini writes:
>Vincent ha scritto:
>
>> Excellent! While I thought the Neo was an excellent device, I didn't
>> quite like the openness of the OS. You know, it adds security risks and
>> stuff.
>
>??

Congratulations -- you got one!

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Re: Car charger to GTA02

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| 3. Carefully slice open the cable and solder in the appropriate resistor
| between the appropriate conductors (someone needs to document this)

Annoyingly enough this will be the hard bit because the fifth ID pin is
typically not connected to any wire in the cable.

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Re: Wireless charger for Neo

[Michael Shiloh]

That is priceless. Too good!

Thanks for the laugh,
Michael

Alexey Feldgendler wrote:

Hello!

Some mobile phone vendors are now looking into wireless charging. A 
wireless charger technology is more user-friendly than the traditional 
wired phone chargers. However, users will only truly benefit from the 
interoperability between chargers for different phones if the vendors 
agree on a common protocol; otherwise, we'll have the same situation as 
we have now with wired chargers: every phone vendor makes their own 
charger incompatible with the others.


In fact, an open protocol for transfer of electricity over IP has 
existed since 2002: RFC 3251 . 
After DVE (Discrete Voltage Encoding), the electric current can be 
quickly and securely transmitted to one or more devices over WiFi or 
Bluetooth in an MPLampS infrastructure. A consumer device can then 
decode the voltage and use it to recharge its battery.


Will OpenMoko, with its openness, be the first to implement MPLampS?




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Re: Wireless charger for Neo

[Alessandro Degano]

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Alexey Feldgendler ha scritto:
| On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:46:57 +0200, Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|
|>> Will OpenMoko, with its openness, be the first to implement MPLampS?
|
|> Why not simply use standard wireless USB chargers?
Or figure out this thread has opened on first of April, as well as the 
RFC the first mail mention...



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Re: FreeRunner mass market phone, status?

[Michael Shiloh]

Hi Matt and all of you,

I'll be meeting with Steve on Thursday and will ask him for an update. 
He's usually in touch with the factory and finds out how things are going.


Michael

Matt Manjos wrote:

Well, the mass market phone itself won't be available for a long time.
The next date should be the release of the HARDWARE of the final
phone, but shipping with incomplete (developer) software. If you want
a final, polished, stable phone, it's going to be some time now.

Last I heard the testing was going on for how well they could ramp up
production (finding fabrication bugs, improving factory yields). I'd
like an update from Michael on that process, but knowing the details
won't make it show up any sooner :P

Matt

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Kristijan Krsteski
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Dear community,
Today is 1-th of April, and by my information We have to see mass market
phone available for buying!?
It's been such a long time that announce list isn't update!
As for me, I'm waiting for mass market phone until July/2007.
I thing that without any precision date for freerunner availability in the
very near future, I can't wait anymore!?
Maybe, this isn't only my decision but no matter how much I would like to
have OpenMoko phone, there is time to move forward.
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Re: Wireless charger for Neo

[Tilman Baumann]

Alexey Feldgendler wrote:


Will OpenMoko, with its openness, be the first to implement MPLampS?


Sure. Next year. Exactly this date, probably. :p

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Fwd: OpenMoko 2007.2 on Palm TX

[Luis Hermosilla]

Hi!

Can you tell me step by step, how do i install Openmoko in my Palm Tx
please
I'm new in linux, please help me...Thanks
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Re: support win mobile

[Vincent]

On 4/1/08, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Paolo Cavallini writes:
> >Vincent ha scritto:
> >
> >> Excellent! While I thought the Neo was an excellent device, I didn't
> >> quite like the openness of the OS. You know, it adds security risks and
> >> stuff.
> >
> >??
>
>
> Congratulations -- you got one!
>
>
Thanks, I liked the second one even better :)

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Re: Car charger to GTA02

[Michael Shiloh]

Andy Green wrote:

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| 3. Carefully slice open the cable and solder in the appropriate resistor
| between the appropriate conductors (someone needs to document this)

Annoyingly enough this will be the hard bit because the fifth ID pin is
typically not connected to any wire in the cable.


Good point. Are you aware of any cable that does bring out this pin?

A workaround would be to construct your own cable from 2 connectors and 
cable. Digikey carries all those connectors.


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Re: Wireless charger for Neo

[Alexandre Ghisoli]

Le mardi 01 avril 2008 à 18:19 +0200, Alexey Feldgendler a écrit :
> Hello!

> 
> In fact, an open protocol for transfer of electricity over IP has existed  
> since 2002: RFC 3251 . After DVE  
> (Discrete Voltage Encoding), the electric current can be quickly and  
> securely transmitted to one or more devices over WiFi or Bluetooth in an  
> MPLampS infrastructure. A consumer device can then decode the voltage and  
> use it to recharge its battery.
> 
> Will OpenMoko, with its openness, be the first to implement MPLampS?

BTW, it's 6 years old, same day ;)


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Re: Accelerometer brainstorming

[Al Johnson]

On Tuesday 01 April 2008, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote:
> On 4/1/08, Alexey Feldgendler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In Norway, where I live, some tunnels are very long and even sometimes
> > contain internal enter and exit lanes, so there can be more than one way
> > to go. My Garmin navigator tries to estimate where I am basing on the
> > speed I had when entering the tunnel, so sometimes it notifies me of an
> > internal exit I have to take too late.
>
> Correct! We even have round abouts inside tunnels. If you take the wrong
> exit,
> you would have to drive for a long time to be able to turn and get back (on
> the
> highway). So the phone needs a system that is better than the one from
> Garmin.
>
> -=Flemming=-

So you need a car cradle with a CAN interface - IIRC there have been USB-CAN 
adaptors listed here before. This would give you access to the vehicle speed, 
and perhaps other useful things - steering angle perhaps? Accelerometer input 
for finding corners may be useful even if it's not accurate enough for 
inertial navigation. The interesting part comes in combining the available 
data to give the location estimate.

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Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)

[Rodolphe Ortalo]

Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 13:42 +0200, Harald Welte a écrit :
[...]
> Please note though, that being one of the persons who drafted the
> wording on the contract between Smedia and OpenMoko: The contract
> contains explicit provisions for OpenMoko preparing a set of
> documentation for the Glamo chip, not carbon-copying from the original
> NDA'd docs, and then cooperating with Smedia to jointly release that 
> new manual.
> 
> However, I doubt that given the current load and priority situation,
> there would be anyone doing paid work on that set of new documentation.

What about unpaid work?

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Re: Fwd: OpenMoko 2007.2 on Palm TX

[Sebastian Hammerl]

Luis Hermosilla schrieb:

Hi!
 
Can you tell me step by step, how do i install Openmoko in my Palm Tx 
please

I'm new in linux, please help me...Thanks

http://zefanja.blogspot.com/2007/09/openmoko-20072-on-palm-tx.html

here its explained - does work i tried it myself

no need for hard reset for me, you can just start openmoko and after a 
reset palm os is back


its not very fast and does not make fun, but it is interesting that it works

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Re: Fwd: OpenMoko 2007.2 on Palm TX

[Luis Hermosilla]

HI!!! I've problems with Cocoboot, i did all taht the blog says but,
cocoboot needs zImage

The kernel is in the SD root
The image (i change the name ti rootfs.ext2 like the blog say) and save in
/linux directory on SD
But Cocoboot don't reconize nothing...can you help me?
Thanks!!!



2008/4/1, Sebastian Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Luis Hermosilla schrieb:
>
> Hi!
>
> Can you tell me step by step, how do i install Openmoko in my Palm Tx
> please
> I'm new in linux, please help me...Thanks
>
> http://zefanja.blogspot.com/2007/09/openmoko-20072-on-palm-tx.html
>
> here its explained - does work i tried it myself
>
> no need for hard reset for me, you can just start openmoko and after a
> reset palm os is back
>
> its not very fast and does not make fun, but it is interesting that it
> works
>
> greets,
>Sebastian
>
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Re: Fwd: OpenMoko 2007.2 on Palm TX

[Sebastian Hammerl]

i dont know anymore the exact steps
try looking in the config files and search with google

at all it openmoko is not usable and it is a very old version.i played 1 
minute with it and then deleted it. i cannot recommend to take the time 
for this experiment. it nice to see someone got it to work but not more.


Sebastian


Luis Hermosilla schrieb:
HI!!! I've problems with Cocoboot, i did all taht the blog says but, 
cocoboot needs zImage
 
The kernel is in the SD root
The image (i change the name ti rootfs.ext2 like the blog say) and 
save in /linux directory on SD

But Cocoboot don't reconize nothing...can you help me?
Thanks!!!
 

 
2008/4/1, Sebastian Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>:


Luis Hermosilla schrieb:

Hi!
 
Can you tell me step by step, how do i install Openmoko in my

Palm Tx please
I'm new in linux, please help me...Thanks

http://zefanja.blogspot.com/2007/09/openmoko-20072-on-palm-tx.html

here its explained - does work i tried it myself

no need for hard reset for me, you can just start openmoko and
after a reset palm os is back

its not very fast and does not make fun, but it is interesting
that it works

greets,
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Re: Accelerometer brainstorming

[enaut]

I mean we could also use the open moko to chiptune the engine of our car 
or to control the ABS/ESP. or we could make it run the car so that 
nobody needs to pay attension to the road but is that really nessesary 
or a good idea? I mean it is not a super computer having a really large 
scale Cpu. and besides that I curently don't have any GPS I wonder how I 
did find my way through mess till now. maybe because there are in some 
rare cases big signs and yeah those are not even digital.


The point is there might be some rare cases where we don't absolutely 
need a digital helper telling us how to handle a situation. We might 
have reason enough by ourself.


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Re: Car charger to GTA02

[Alexander Frøyseth]

I can take a look and draw some plans, perhaps even a PCB plan.
But I have to wait to I am back at school in 2 about weeks

Alexander Frøyseth

Andy Green skrev:

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| between the appropriate conductors (someone needs to document this)

Annoyingly enough this will be the hard bit because the fifth ID pin is
typically not connected to any wire in the cable.

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Re: support win mobile

[Ian Darwin]

Ryan Prior wrote:

This really shows how little the OpenMoko community understands the
Neo. Why port Windows Mobile when we could be porting Windows 3.1?

Windows 3.1 is a lightweight OS which has excellent application
support from a broad and stable base of industry, and which has
successors which we know to be of excellent quality. As the
capabilities of future Neo phones increase, we have an upgrade path
which we know to be successful and an ever-expanding number of
applications supported.

The future is DOS - Windows 3.1


By an amazing coincidence (this being April 1, that is), somebody wrote a
HIMEM.SYS driver for UNIX (initially OpenBSD) and released it today.

From OpenBSD-Mickey's posting to tech@:
--
80s are back and so is HIMEM.SYS now for the modern 32bit
architecture known as i386 or "that intel crap."

yes as you can have guessed already it gives your >4G
memory another chance at life reincarnated as scsi disk.

http://mickey.lucifier.net/himem.sys

you can read it write it and damn swap on it if you want!
credit shall be given to mpf for a productive discussion
where this most atypical concept had been born few months
ago and later became stations creation in about 30h (and
a bottle of port) and later debugged/tested in a few more
other more sober hours...

few caveats:
- man page coming soon!
- booting is not supported (yet);
- one needs to disklabel+newfs(or dd(2) some image) it before use;
- it will get some performance improvement;
- not stress-tested much (yet).

here is samples:
himem0 at root: size 768MB
scsibus2 at himem0: 1 targets
sd2 at scsibus2 targ 0 lun 0:  SCSI2 0/direct 
fixed

sd2: 768MB, 12 cyl, 255 head, 63 sec, 4096 bytes/sec, 196608 sec total


What's amazing is that, unlike most April 1 jokes, this seems actually 
to work.

I say "seems" because I don't have enough RAM to run it :-)

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Re: Fwd: OpenMoko 2007.2 on Palm TX

[Luis Hermosilla]

I see... Thanks for yours comments...

:-)


2008/4/1, Sebastian Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> i dont know anymore the exact steps
> try looking in the config files and search with google
>
> at all it openmoko is not usable and it is a very old version.i played 1
> minute with it and then deleted it. i cannot recommend to take the time for
> this experiment. it nice to see someone got it to work but not more.
>
> Sebastian
>
>
> Luis Hermosilla schrieb:
>
> HI!!! I've problems with Cocoboot, i did all taht the blog says but,
> cocoboot needs zImage
>
> The kernel is in the SD root
> The image (i change the name ti rootfs.ext2 like the blog say) and save in
> /linux directory on SD
> But Cocoboot don't reconize nothing...can you help me?
> Thanks!!!
>
>
>
> 2008/4/1, Sebastian Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > Luis Hermosilla schrieb:
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > Can you tell me step by step, how do i install Openmoko in my Palm Tx
> > please
> > I'm new in linux, please help me...Thanks
> >
> > http://zefanja.blogspot.com/2007/09/openmoko-20072-on-palm-tx.html
> >
> > here its explained - does work i tried it myself
> >
> > no need for hard reset for me, you can just start openmoko and after a
> > reset palm os is back
> >
> > its not very fast and does not make fun, but it is interesting that it
> > works
> >
> > greets,
> >Sebastian
> >
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Re: Car charger to GTA02

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Michael Shiloh ha scritto:

A generic solution can be built this way:

1. Locate a generic USB car charger e.g. 
http://www.daydeal.com/product.php?productid=10892. Make sure it can 
supply at least 1A. Note in my example that the specs don't say this, 
but if you look at the picture carefully you can read the 1A on the 
label. They are very common. I think I found one for less than $2.00.


2. Purchase a standard USB A to Mini B cable,e.g. 
http://www.cablesforless.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=14660. 
These too are common. I have about 4 left over from digital cameras. You 
can probably get them for free by asking your friends and relatives.


3. Carefully slice open the cable and solder in the appropriate resistor 
between the appropriate conductors (someone needs to document this)


Why not simply connecting the official Openmoko usb cable to the car usb 
charger?

Will it need the mod you've figured at the point 3?

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PDA Case that fits the Neo?

[Paul Jimenez]

Has anyone tried putting their Neo into a PDA case? The Case Logic PLT-2
looks like it might fit the Neo and doulbe as a wallet at the same time
:) I'm also considering the 12" skooba R.A.P.S. thing as a 'case' for
my future Freerunner... Are there other suggestions? I think the Neo
shipped with a bag, but has anyone tried anything else?

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Re: Car charger to GTA02

[Alexander Frøyseth]

It have to be mod sinse a pc usb uses 5V and a car 12V

Perhaps the is other resons to

Alexander Frøyseth

2008/4/2, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Michael Shiloh ha scritto:
> > A generic solution can be built this way:
> >
> > 1. Locate a generic USB car charger e.g.
> > http://www.daydeal.com/product.php?productid=10892. Make sure it can
> > supply at least 1A. Note in my example that the specs don't say this,
> > but if you look at the picture carefully you can read the 1A on the
> > label. They are very common. I think I found one for less than $2.00.
> >
> > 2. Purchase a standard USB A to Mini B cable,e.g.
> > http://www.cablesforless.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=14660.
> > These too are common. I have about 4 left over from digital cameras. You
> > can probably get them for free by asking your friends and relatives.
> >
> > 3. Carefully slice open the cable and solder in the appropriate resistor
> > between the appropriate conductors (someone needs to document this)
>
> Why not simply connecting the official Openmoko usb cable to the car usb
> charger?
> Will it need the mod you've figured at the point 3?
>
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