Re: Barometric altimeter on 'future' Freerunner ?
Actually, implementing a railgun would probably be feasible as long as the projectile weight and powerload is taken into consideration. I'm not sure if the battery can handle multiple +1 gram projectiles though. And not to mention the need for a new chasis with space for a PCB with series of capasitors as I suspect the chemical battery can't deliver the necessary Ampere during the short time the projectile spends accelerating on the rails. ^_^ Would be cool in an extremely geekyness way. What's next, a freerunner chasis that doubles as a tesla coil? PS. Tesla coils are way cool, with a sufficent _high_ voltage it's even possible to use your body/hands/fingers as a tesla coil. Imagine using your body as a electric resonance cavity and then letting the lightning play between your fingers and your hands. Now add a mad scientist laugh while wearing a laboratory coat. ;) Completely OT? You bet I am! :P Heikki Soerum. PS. Go read about what Tesla did with electricity.. It will blow your mind. Den Sat, 17 May 2008 20:07:56 +0200 Daniel Selinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: On Sat, 17 May 2008 17:21:20 +0200 Erland Lewin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A 3 axis magnetometer (compass) would also be a cool thing to have on the phone. I vote for a railgun ^^ sry : ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner
On 17 May 2008, at 18:16, Doug Hawkins wrote: ... There are a few hassles with the Nokia software that I'm looking forward to making sure are clean with the OpenMoko system when I get to start playing on one. One is that on some free (airport community) WiFi systems, you have to open a web page and accept the terms and conditions before it will allow any traffic (VoIP or otherwise), so I'd like to make a routine that will run a config script to accept the terms based on the network I'm connecting with (e.g.: look up ESSID in a database to find out that a certain webpage's button needs to be 'clicked' and perform that task). The other is to optionally connect to any open WiFi networks as I pass through them (ESSID scanning connect attempts through open AP's). I'm not sure that this should be handled by the VoIP software. Although I'd like VoIP on my Freerunner, a greater priority for me is that the IMAP client should automatically check for new messages. On my present mobile (Sony Ericson P990i) one has to open the messaging program, select the IMAP account and then select send receive from a drop-down menu. That this is so fiddly simply means that I never do it, and if I must check for an important new message when away from home then the client has to sync through weeks of new messages in my inbox (yes, I should keep it more tidy!) before downloading today's messages. I had envisioned writing a Bash script to run in cron every few minutes: to switch on wifi, scan for networks and connect to any on an allowed list; a background IMAP send-and-receive can then be performed if a working wifi connection is found. If we are to have multiple applications checking for wifi availability then I guess that should be done in one place? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Barometric altimeter on 'future' Freerunner ?
On 17 May 2008, at 22:17, Philippe Guillebert wrote: Matthias Schulze wrote: I am wondering about applications possible with the Freerunner (connected via usb) or later phone models, if a barometric altimeter would be included. Hi, Err, doesn't GPS give us a pretty accurate altitude already ? lol. No. Event if the precision is something like +/- 20 meters, I believe it's got a better accuracy than a barometric altimeter that you've got to calibrate to the meteorological conditions all the time. GPS altitude precision is more like +/- 200 metres. Even cheap electronic altimeters are accurate to a few feet. That they need daily calibration makes them only of use to people who actually _need_ to know their height - an altimeter built into a digital watch, for instance, is usually no more than a gimmick, but a hang- glider pilot can simply hold down the zero button on his £100 altimeter for 3 seconds and then knows his height accurately for the duration of the day's flying. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner
On Saturday 17 May 2008 23:42, Brandon Kruse wrote: The freerunner images would be great, Ok, I'll do that soon. and its great that you can get it to build with the latest toolchain stuff, etc. I might build a Ahh well, no. Not quite. I can get the supporting libs to build just not the iaxclient lib. It seems to be missing header files etc that's stopping it.. quick script tonight to go from checkout to ipkg. Anything you can do to make it more system universal would rock! (I think I have hardcoded paths in a lot of places). did you make any changes to libogg-1.1.3, portaudio or speex-1.2beta3 ? if not, libogg-1.1.3 is in oe already which can be built by setting the preferred version. portaudio seems to be broken in oe, depending on itself or something odd and will need some tweaking. speex-1.2beta3 isn't in oe but 1.1.12 is so maybe that could be used instead? It builds ok I would love to update the ipkg on the site also. If I can get it to build I'll stick it in my repo too Thanks for everything scaredy :) No problem :D -- Andy / ScaredyCat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Barometric altimeter on 'future' Freerunner ?
On Sunday 18 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GPS does give relatively accurate altitude/speed but it does have error and is nowhere near as accurate as a calibrate barometer (since an aircraft altimeter is just a barometer with a different face). Assuming someone has a data plan you can get the barometric pressure from a nearby airport (most have a weather station, all data is pooled by the FAA online**). Wouldn't be sure about other countries but I bet France/most sizable would have something similar. That or you could assume the standard 29.92 in/Hg and 1000ft per 1 in/Hg. An even more desperate thing you could do is call 1800-WX-BRIEF and ask what the baro is at a local airport. **They also maintain a very detailed list of all airports available as an XLS file. The airport information is available globally, and used by the kweather panel applet. It looks like policy may vary by country for the size of airport to be listed, but generally speaking it'll be listed if it handles international flights. kweather lists temperature, air pressure, wind speed and direction, sunrise and sunset, dewp oint and relative humidity. I haven't looked to see if anything else is published, or what the update interval is. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner...when??
did the production start? or are there any more news about the date? Sebastian steve schrieb: I gave a short update. Production is slated to start prior to May 16, I don't have an exact date, yet. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Trevisan (Treviño) Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:05 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Freerunner...when?? steve wrote: Yes, A Sunday preview of my Monday update. Am I wrong or we didn't get any Monday update this week? :P Something more than a preview, Steve? :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Barometric altimeter on 'future' Freerunner ?
On Sun, 2008-05-18 at 11:58 +0100, Al Johnson wrote: On Sunday 18 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GPS does give relatively accurate altitude/speed but it does have error and is nowhere near as accurate as a calibrate barometer (since an aircraft altimeter is just a barometer with a different face). Assuming someone has a data plan you can get the barometric pressure from a nearby airport (most have a weather station, all data is pooled by the FAA online**). Wouldn't be sure about other countries but I bet France/most sizable would have something similar. That or you could assume the standard 29.92 in/Hg and 1000ft per 1 in/Hg. An even more desperate thing you could do is call 1800-WX-BRIEF and ask what the baro is at a local airport. **They also maintain a very detailed list of all airports available as an XLS file. The airport information is available globally, and used by the kweather panel applet. It looks like policy may vary by country for the size of airport to be listed, but generally speaking it'll be listed if it handles international flights. kweather lists temperature, air pressure, wind speed and direction, sunrise and sunset, dewp oint and relative humidity. I haven't looked to see if anything else is published, or what the update interval is. Its based on METAR information (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/METAR) - basicly text based codes. A typical METAR report contains data for the temperature, dew point, wind speed and direction, precipitation, cloud cover and heights, visibility, and barometric pressure. A METAR report may also contain information on precipitation amounts, lightning, and other information that would be of interest to pilots or meteorologists such as Colour States Just retrieve and process using perl or a lesser language. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wireless Radio/Accelerometer-based Triggers (was: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stroller wrote: | | On 17 May 2008, at 18:16, Doug Hawkins wrote: | ... | There are a few hassles with the Nokia software that I'm looking forward to making sure are clean with the OpenMoko system when I get to start playing on one. One is that on some free (airport community) WiFi systems, you have to open a web page and accept the terms and conditions before it will allow any traffic (VoIP or otherwise), so I'd like to make a routine that will run a config script to accept the terms based on the network I'm connecting with (e.g.: look up ESSID in a database to find out that a certain webpage's button needs to be 'clicked' and perform that task). The other is to optionally connect to any open WiFi networks as I pass through them (ESSID scanning connect attempts through open AP's). | | I'm not sure that this should be handled by the VoIP software. | | Although I'd like VoIP on my Freerunner, a greater priority for me is that the IMAP client should automatically check for new messages. | | On my present mobile (Sony Ericson P990i) one has to open the messaging program, select the IMAP account and then select send receive from a drop-down menu. That this is so fiddly simply means that I never do it, and if I must check for an important new message when away from home then the client has to sync through weeks of new messages in my inbox (yes, I should keep it more tidy!) before downloading today's messages. | | I had envisioned writing a Bash script to run in cron every few minutes: to switch on wifi, scan for networks and connect to any on an allowed list; a background IMAP send-and-receive can then be performed if a working wifi connection is found. If we are to have multiple applications checking for wifi availability then I guess that should be done in one place? | | Stroller. | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | This has given me an idea. What if we built onto Neod (or an equivalent future software) a function to deliver triggers for events from Wifi/GSM/GPS/BT/Accelerometers like acpi does for power. For example, currently I use acpi triggers on my laptop to start [EMAIL PROTECTED] when power is connected and kill it when I switch to battery. I did this by adding a line to a .sh file in /etc/acpi/battery.d/ or similar and that script is ran whenever that event happens. Could we build an equivalent to this so that when you connect to Wifi for example, it could launch a Voip client, download mail, or whatever the user configures. This could also be used for GPS. We could have a file to set what should be run when GPS = a certain position. This seems like the easiest way to deliver radio and accelerometer based events. Ideas? Comments? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIMB5VIob6Ee9FZFQRAgawAJ94iIZJQlG5nEpD5odqDSjpY7uZ4gCgsJ0m C08Ac53BRthoXzIcVHyecXc= =Jrtn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner
I never said it was perfect, just another option. I have no affiliation to either digium or trixbox, but I did try both ISOs when i was starting out with asterisk. I don't use either any more - CentOS, asterisk, vi. I didn't give AsteriskNOW much time because it wouldn't play easily with the non-digium passive BRI card I had at the time. I found the install-zaphfc script for trixbox and it 'just worked' so I stuck with it. It probably helped that I was already familiar with CentOS too. The 'FreePBX overwrote my edits' issue is a bit limiting. For most things you can edit the whatever_custom configs which it includes and does not overwrite, but there are things you just can't do this way. That's why I now use vi ;-) OTOH most people running a small setup won't need to edit the configs. I agree with Andy about the concept of the internal http server, and trixbox runs too many things on the PBX for my taste, but to be fair I haven't seen this cause any problems in a small setup. Small was ~20 SIP clients and a single BRI running on a passively cooled Via C7, so not exactly a powerhouse :-) When I get the Freerunner one of the first things I'll be trying will be VoIP, so it's great to see someone at digium looking at this. If it's going to gain openmoko features I might have to look at the GUI again too ;-) On Saturday 17 May 2008, Brandon Kruse wrote: Heh, Try to actually edit the config files and then use it :P From experience, asteriskNOW is my favorite, and the first platform I am going to get the client to work with automatically. (I am going to add an 'openmoko' option in the AsteriskGUI) AsteriskNOW Also has Digital / Analog card support for detecting / installing / configuring all digium Hardware. It also has auto provisioning for polycom phones. :) But, I work for Digium, so I am somewhat biased right? :P I will push for more features based on openmoko, in the GUI, however. -bk On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another bootable ISO to look at its trixbox http://www.trixbox.com/products/trixbox-ce/features Both make setting up an asterisk server very easy. They also run reasonably in a virtual machine. trixbox has a few more bells and whistles; whether this is good or bad is a matter of opinion, as is preference between the different GUIs. On Friday 16 May 2008, Brandon Kruse wrote: Yes, The iaxclient library I am implementing it in supports very very low bandwidth protocols. I have made a call of GPRS before, the only thing is the latency, but it's somewhat useable still. I have worked on the GUI for Digium, so go here and install asterisk + the asteriskGUI (AsteriskNOW bootable ISO) to get asterisk up and running quick: http://asteriskNOW.org/install-related On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Travis Tabbal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a future user, I'm glad to hear about progress in this area. It might get me to actually set up an Asterisk server. :) Can we really get the datastream small enough for GPRS? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Accellerometer spin
Instead of adding a compass to the device to be able to read spin about the gravitational axis, would it not be easier to offset one of the accellerometers from the centre of the device? That way, the roll is uneffected and the yaw and pitch can be calculated by accounting for the known offset in the equ. Just a thought Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner
On May 18, 2008, at 9:09 AM, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never said it was perfect, just another option. I have no affiliation to either digium or trixbox, but I did try both ISOs when i was starting out with asterisk. I don't use either any more - CentOS, asterisk, vi. I didn't give AsteriskNOW much time because it wouldn't play easily with the non-digium passive BRI card I had at the time. I found the install- zaphfc script for trixbox and it 'just worked' so I stuck with it. It probably helped that I was already familiar with CentOS too. I personally worked on misdn. If there is a bug you have, report it, or I cannot fix it. The GUI comes a long way everyday, given its relatively new on the project scene. Every bug you submit gets assigned to me, and fixed :) The 'FreePBX overwrote my edits' issue is a bit limiting. For most things you can edit the whatever_custom configs which it includes and does not overwrite, but there are things you just can't do this way. That's why I now use vi ;-) OTOH most people running a small setup won't need to edit the configs. I agree with Andy about the concept of the internal http server, and trixbox runs too many things on the PBX for my taste, but to be fair I haven't seen this cause any problems in a small setup. Small was ~20 SIP clients and a single BRI running on a passively cooled Via C7, so not exactly a powerhouse :-) Exactly. Run the numbers, its very minimal. Check out asterisk.conf settings to stop accepting calls on low memory, etc. When I get the Freerunner one of the first things I'll be trying will be VoIP, so it's great to see someone at digium looking at this. If it's going to gain openmoko features I might have to look at the GUI again too ;-) Please do! Http://asterisknow.org/install-related You can easily install it over the centos asterisk install. On Saturday 17 May 2008, Brandon Kruse wrote: Heh, Try to actually edit the config files and then use it :P From experience, asteriskNOW is my favorite, and the first platform I am going to get the client to work with automatically. (I am going to add an 'openmoko' option in the AsteriskGUI) AsteriskNOW Also has Digital / Analog card support for detecting / installing / configuring all digium Hardware. It also has auto provisioning for polycom phones. :) But, I work for Digium, so I am somewhat biased right? :P I will push for more features based on openmoko, in the GUI, however. -bk On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another bootable ISO to look at its trixbox http://www.trixbox.com/products/trixbox-ce/features Both make setting up an asterisk server very easy. They also run reasonably in a virtual machine. trixbox has a few more bells and whistles; whether this is good or bad is a matter of opinion, as is preference between the different GUIs. On Friday 16 May 2008, Brandon Kruse wrote: Yes, The iaxclient library I am implementing it in supports very very low bandwidth protocols. I have made a call of GPRS before, the only thing is the latency, but it's somewhat useable still. I have worked on the GUI for Digium, so go here and install asterisk + the asteriskGUI (AsteriskNOW bootable ISO) to get asterisk up and running quick: http://asteriskNOW.org/install-related On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Travis Tabbal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a future user, I'm glad to hear about progress in this area. It might get me to actually set up an Asterisk server. :) Can we really get the datastream small enough for GPRS? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner
Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 17 May 2008 23:42, Brandon Kruse wrote: The freerunner images would be great, Ok, I'll do that soon. and its great that you can get it to build with the latest toolchain stuff, etc. I might build a Ahh well, no. Not quite. I can get the supporting libs to build just not the iaxclient lib. It seems to be missing header files etc that's stopping it.. I have to make a clean install tonight, so I will work on it ;) like I said, my build environment was not standard. quick script tonight to go from checkout to ipkg. Anything you can do to make it more system universal would rock! (I think I have hardcoded paths in a lot of places). did you make any changes to libogg-1.1.3, portaudio or speex-1.2beta3 ? Minor, which were submitted upstream. if not, libogg-1.1.3 is in oe already which can be built by setting the preferred version. Nice, this was not the case when I first started working on iaxclient. portaudio seems to be broken in oe, depending on itself or something odd and will need some tweaking. I had portaudio in its own ipkg, I hope someone can fix that :) speex-1.2beta3 isn't in oe but 1.1.12 is so maybe that could be used instead? It builds ok That would work fine. I am glad to see all those libraries availible now! (links?) I would love to update the ipkg on the site also. If I can get it to build I'll stick it in my repo too Working all night tonight, and will keep you updated! Thanks for everything scaredy :) No problem :D -- Andy / ScaredyCat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner
On May 18, 2008, at 3:45 AM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17 May 2008, at 18:16, Doug Hawkins wrote: ... There are a few hassles with the Nokia software that I'm looking forward to making sure are clean with the OpenMoko system when I get to start playing on one. One is that on some free (airport community) WiFi systems, you have to open a web page and accept the terms and conditions before it will allow any traffic (VoIP or otherwise), so I'd like to make a routine that will run a config script to accept the terms based on the network I'm connecting with (e.g.: look up ESSID in a database to find out that a certain webpage's button needs to be 'clicked' and perform that task). The other is to optionally connect to any open WiFi networks as I pass through them (ESSID scanning connect attempts through open AP's). I'm not sure that this should be handled by the VoIP software. Although I'd like VoIP on my Freerunner, a greater priority for me is that the IMAP client should automatically check for new messages. On my present mobile (Sony Ericson P990i) one has to open the messaging program, select the IMAP account and then select send receive from a drop-down menu. That this is so fiddly simply means that I never do it, and if I must check for an important new message when away from home then the client has to sync through weeks of new messages in my inbox (yes, I should keep it more tidy!) before downloading today's messages. I had envisioned writing a Bash script to run in cron every few minutes: to switch on wifi, scan for networks and connect to any on an allowed list; a background IMAP send-and-receive can then be performed if a working wifi connection is found. If we are to have multiple applications checking for wifi availability then I guess that should be done in one place? Stroller. Maybe a bash script isn't the best idea, but could be a start. I envisioned a simple C program to just hook to the driver, or look at other code that does active scanning (net stumbler style), then firing off a dbus message when status changes. -bk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner
On May 18, 2008, at 9:09 AM, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never said it was perfect, just another option. I have no affiliation to either digium or trixbox, but I did try both ISOs when i was starting out with asterisk. I don't use either any more - CentOS, asterisk, vi. I didn't give AsteriskNOW much time because it wouldn't play easily with the non-digium passive BRI card I had at the time. I found the install- zaphfc script for trixbox and it 'just worked' so I stuck with it. It probably helped that I was already familiar with CentOS too. The 'FreePBX overwrote my edits' issue is a bit limiting. For most things you can edit the whatever_custom configs which it includes and does not overwrite, but there are things you just can't do this way. That's why I now use vi ;-) OTOH most people running a small setup won't need to edit the configs. I agree with Andy about the concept of the internal http server, and trixbox runs too many things on the PBX for my taste, but to be fair I haven't seen this cause any problems in a small setup. Small was ~20 SIP clients and a single BRI running on a passively cooled Via C7, so not exactly a powerhouse :-) When I get the Freerunner one of the first things I'll be trying will be VoIP, so it's great to see someone at digium looking at this. I am from digium, but this is not a digium product, nor am I working On it at digium on the clock. Just clearing things up :) If it's going to gain openmoko features I might have to look at the GUI again too ;-) On Saturday 17 May 2008, Brandon Kruse wrote: Heh, Try to actually edit the config files and then use it :P From experience, asteriskNOW is my favorite, and the first platform I am going to get the client to work with automatically. (I am going to add an 'openmoko' option in the AsteriskGUI) AsteriskNOW Also has Digital / Analog card support for detecting / installing / configuring all digium Hardware. It also has auto provisioning for polycom phones. :) But, I work for Digium, so I am somewhat biased right? :P I will push for more features based on openmoko, in the GUI, however. -bk On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another bootable ISO to look at its trixbox http://www.trixbox.com/products/trixbox-ce/features Both make setting up an asterisk server very easy. They also run reasonably in a virtual machine. trixbox has a few more bells and whistles; whether this is good or bad is a matter of opinion, as is preference between the different GUIs. On Friday 16 May 2008, Brandon Kruse wrote: Yes, The iaxclient library I am implementing it in supports very very low bandwidth protocols. I have made a call of GPRS before, the only thing is the latency, but it's somewhat useable still. I have worked on the GUI for Digium, so go here and install asterisk + the asteriskGUI (AsteriskNOW bootable ISO) to get asterisk up and running quick: http://asteriskNOW.org/install-related On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Travis Tabbal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a future user, I'm glad to hear about progress in this area. It might get me to actually set up an Asterisk server. :) Can we really get the datastream small enough for GPRS? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Seat in embedded Linux training session offered to a contributor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Opdenacker schrieb: | On 05/16/2008 04:28 PM, Bastian Muck wrote: | Thanks für the two links. But at the time I have to scratch money | together for the freerunner. If I took part, I had to take away money | from the Freerunner budget. And this is more important for me at the | time. But next year everything is better cause I think to get my | diploma this year. Then I shouldn't have this Problem. | I understand... You could apply again next year... we're doing that for | each session we organize. | | :-) | | Michael. Great, then i guess, I will be there :-) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIMFlvlYiDScJJ+7QRAudwAJ9CcjoWxFDx9vw9kGtGxevSIN3vaACgorRT bt/kAR+h0dE6/312tvwZWOM= =pieq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner
On Sunday 18 May 2008 16:15, Brandon Kruse wrote: I have to make a clean install tonight, so I will work on it ;) like I said, my build environment was not standard. :D good stuff I had portaudio in its own ipkg, I hope someone can fix that :) essentially thats what I ended up doing too :) speex-1.2beta3 isn't in oe but 1.1.12 is so maybe that could be used instead? It builds ok That would work fine. I am glad to see all those libraries availible now! (links?) In the end I had to build your portaudio, and the libogg and speex that are in oe. They can be found on my buildhost: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ specifically, http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/speex_1.1.12-r2_armv4t.ipk http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/speex-dev_1.1.12-r2_armv4t.ipk http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/libportaudio2_1.0-r0_armv4t.ipk http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/libportaudio-dev_1.0-r0_armv4t.ipk http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/libogg-dev_1.1.3-r0_armv4t.ipk http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/libogg0_1.1.3-r0_armv4t.ipk -- Andy / ScaredyCat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner
On May 18, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 18 May 2008 16:15, Brandon Kruse wrote: I have to make a clean install tonight, so I will work on it ;) like I said, my build environment was not standard. :D good stuff Totally. Hopefully the end result will be an svn state/branch that anyone can checkout and build. (and it the readme, just state it depends on other libraries) and make the ipkg depend on your packages. Thanks :) I had portaudio in its own ipkg, I hope someone can fix that :) essentially thats what I ended up doing too :) speex-1.2beta3 isn't in oe but 1.1.12 is so maybe that could be used instead? It builds ok That would work fine. I am glad to see all those libraries availible now! (links?) In the end I had to build your portaudio, and the libogg and speex that are in oe. They can be found on my buildhost: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ specifically, http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/speex_1.1.12-r2_armv4t.ipk http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/speex-dev_1.1.12-r2_armv4t.ipk http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/libportaudio2_1.0-r0_armv4t.ipk http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/libportaudio-dev_1.0-r0_armv4t.ipk http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/libogg-dev_1.1.3-r0_armv4t.ipk http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/libogg0_1.1.3-r0_armv4t.ipk -- Perfect. I will throw those inthere and pass a test call tonight, to see if we have any problems. (eg segfault. :P) I believe the only reason I used the beta was because it was about to become stable and was recomended on the site. No reason ;) Andy / ScaredyCat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner
On Sunday 18 May 2008, Brandon Kruse wrote: On May 18, 2008, at 9:09 AM, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never said it was perfect, just another option. I have no affiliation to either digium or trixbox, but I did try both ISOs when i was starting out with asterisk. I don't use either any more - CentOS, asterisk, vi. I didn't give AsteriskNOW much time because it wouldn't play easily with the non-digium passive BRI card I had at the time. I found the install- zaphfc script for trixbox and it 'just worked' so I stuck with it. It probably helped that I was already familiar with CentOS too. I personally worked on misdn. If there is a bug you have, report it, or I cannot fix it. The GUI comes a long way everyday, given its relatively new on the project scene. Every bug you submit gets assigned to me, and fixed :) I doubt there was a bug. It's more likely I just hadn't found or understood the right bit of documentation for AsteriskNOW, whereas I found the right bit for trixbox. If I find something I'm convinced is a bug I report it :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko?
maybe Im missing something but I couldnt find where Shachar demands from openmoko to give him support for his language it looks like he is disappointed with decision of moving from gtk to efl (just because the first one has some ready to use tools to implement support for his language)... well, IIRC from the beginning openmoko was supposed to be based on gtk (I can remember the flame war gtk vs qt some time ago) and I can imagine that he could have found this project interesting just because of that... and now, unexpectedly, we have such a big change... If Im right, I think he has right to feel disappointed I know that gtk will be there also, but main openmoko apps, the one which will officially be supported, will be not based on it and this makes a *big* difference... warning Im definitively not in position to judge this decision now and this is not my point... ;-P /warning good luck for OM team with bringing the first free phone to us, and good luck for Shachar in his search for some alternative solutions... Piotr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko?
On Mon, 19 May 2008 02:20:39 +0200 Piotr Duda [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: maybe Im missing something but I couldnt find where Shachar demands from openmoko to give him support for his language it looks like he is disappointed with decision of moving from gtk to efl (just because the first one has some ready to use tools to implement support for his language)... well, IIRC from the beginning openmoko was supposed to be based on gtk (I can remember the flame war gtk vs qt some time ago) and I can imagine that he could have found this project interesting just because of that... and now, unexpectedly, we have such a big change... If Im right, I think he has right to feel disappointed I know that gtk will be there also, but main openmoko apps, the one which will officially be supported, will be not based on it and this makes a *big* difference... please READ THE EMAIL. suddenly the use of efl means We are efl based. the non-use of shipepd gtk apps means we dont support gtk and so on are all bizarre views people hold and are espousing on these lists. they are not true. we use EFL for certain apps and uses. it's good at certain things. qt and qtopia re on their because openmoko decided that for the phone to be a usable phone at all we need to just use qtopia's phone suite and ship it. to keep supporting gtk and all other toolkits we have gone to effort to support it under X11. we still use X - all toolkits still work. shachar *IS* asking for work. he's saying use gtk! dont use efl! it doesnt support hebrew and arabic and farsi... bidi. that means WORK for US. we nave to re-implement from basics the things EFL then does for us already. warning Im definitively not in position to judge this decision now and this is not my point... ;-P /warning good luck for OM team with bringing the first free phone to us, and good luck for Shachar in his search for some alternative solutions... Piotr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GPRS IP Networking
Does someone know how IP addresses are handed out on the cellular network? Do they give each phone an IP address, or do they do NAT? I want to know if I'll be able to connect to my freerunner over GPRS, say I wanted to ssh into it. I've been searching the internet and haven't found an answer. I connected to my website with my blackberry and saw different IP addresses for different requests; makes me think they have an outgoing NAT pool. Of course this could also be carrier dependent. Thanks. -- Steven Kurylo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS IP Networking
Either way, you could write a simple program on the phone to keep connecting to an end point (server) and give the server reverse access (stunnel) back to the device. Just what I'm thinking :) -- Brandon Kruse On May 18, 2008, at 8:22 PM, Steven Kurylo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does someone know how IP addresses are handed out on the cellular network? Do they give each phone an IP address, or do they do NAT? I want to know if I'll be able to connect to my freerunner over GPRS, say I wanted to ssh into it. I've been searching the internet and haven't found an answer. I connected to my website with my blackberry and saw different IP addresses for different requests; makes me think they have an outgoing NAT pool. Of course this could also be carrier dependent. Thanks. -- Steven Kurylo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
