Re: Private data protection.
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Esben Stien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rahul Joshi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The very first thing a phone thief does is throw away the SIM. That's why, if a presence security code is not typed in every nth hour, the phone starts transmitting secretly its location over all available networks to your home system;). We need GNU radio in this device, so that we can implement a tracking beacon way to find the phone. Also portable self-destruction hardware would be nice. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Private data protection.
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Esben Stien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rahul Joshi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The very first thing a phone thief does is throw away the SIM. That's why, if a presence security code is not typed in every nth hour, the phone starts transmitting secretly its location over all available networks to your home system;). Current phone number would be enough information. SMS to a friend that gives this number to you... Also it must do so every on poweron event. E.g. if phone haven't been shacked the right way. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Private data protection.
Rahul Joshi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The very first thing a phone thief does is throw away the SIM. That's why, if a presence security code is not typed in every nth hour, the phone starts transmitting secretly its location over all available networks to your home system;). We need GNU radio in this device, so that we can implement a tracking beacon way to find the phone. -- Esben Stien is [EMAIL PROTECTED] s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gsmd question
On Saturday 31 May 2008 01:43:48 Bin Chen wrote: Whats the new design? Send AT CMD one at a time and wait the OK or ERROR for this command? Yes. A new commands will only be sent once we received a confirmation (whatsoever) from the modem -- with the exception of a sending a cancelling character to cancel an in-progress command. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Private data protection.
On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 10:55 +0300, Ilja O. wrote: Also portable self-destruction hardware would be nice. echo overload /sys/devices/blaha/battery signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Private data protection.
Ilja O. wrote: Who says that this password will be created by human? Program should generate it automatically, shows it to user, user writes (or prints) it and saves in piggy bank hoping he will not need it at all. This function will be used so rare that there is not point in creating rememberable passwords. Hi, And then, when he doesn't have the neo anymore, he have to find where the he put the code, run to a friend's with the piece of paper, hey can I send an SMS ?, copy 160 random characters from a piece of paper with a crappy input method on the friend's phone and hope he didn't misspell a single bit of it or the whole process would be useless. Yeah, sounds very doable... -- Phyce ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Open Hardware
Hello All, New subscriber, have been lurking for a long time. Since the idea of Openmoko is to be fully open source, why can we not have the same for hardware? My background is in hardware design, specifically FPGA's and ASIC's. The system on chip used by the NEO's could be designed as open source making the whole concept even more open! There already exists a community for open source IP cores for silicon at opencores.org. If we can find enough like minded people we can develop our own SoC for future freerunners. You do need to be selling a lot of chips before it makes financial sense to make your own ASIC, but if enough GTA02's are sold it could give an idea if this is possible or not. We can always make a prototype phone with an FPGA for development What are the communities feelings on this? Are there any other subscribers with the same background? I am nothing to do with opencores.org by the way, but to me it looks like it is looking for a project to pull everything together and this would be ideal! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linux PDA with wifi?
On Sunday 01 June 2008 00:39:00 Mike wrote: If I wanted a PDA the runs linux and has wifi, and gets good battery life, any suggestions? Sharp SL-6000 (watch out, there are models without any connectivity, one with wifi, and one with bluetooth _and_ wifi). :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Private data protection.
Am So 1. Juni 2008 schrieb Kim Alvefur: On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 10:55 +0300, Ilja O. wrote: Also portable self-destruction hardware would be nice. echo overload /sys/devices/blaha/battery LOL :-) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gsmd question
On Saturday 31 May 2008 04:49:04 Tick wrote: Hi Mickey, Though I was assigned to do other stuff for months, I think gsmd will wait for responses. Yes, this is correct, you did a whole lot of good fixes to it. I was merely indicating the original approach. Sorry, if that was unclear. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Private data protection.
Good info there from wiki. So, if someone were THAT (9 days) serious about getting the data, he might as well re-flash the whole phone to avoid any trace-backs, destroy root-kits etc. I know I would do that. Which again brings us back to the same point, as the thread says... of DATA protection and not the phone itself. If I am a data thief why will I bother keeping the SD card on the phone. I will simply take it out, put it in my memory card reader and start hacking it. The only way I wont be able to get it (easily) if the data on the SD card itself was hidden/encrypted/unreadable. We have to isolate the phone from data here. Rahul J On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 4:38 AM, Ilja O. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Rahul Joshi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm no security expert but I'm pretty sure a lightweight 8 bit salt encryption (security guys?) can give any dektop pc software enough trouble to abort the attempt of trying to read a 256 meg worth of datacard, unless it really belongs to the director operations FBI ;) shamelesly edited copy from wikipedia Assume a user's secret key is stolen and he is known to use one of 200,000 English words as his password. The system uses a 8-bit salt. The amount of combinations is 256*20 = 5120. /shamelesly copy from wikipedia If attacker chacks one hash per second and has 64-core beowulf cluster it will require 9 days to check all possible combinations. That's not so much, imo. Also, processors are cheap these days one guy [1] has build 96-core machine (for unknown price). [1] http://helmer.sfe.se/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Private data protection.
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Philippe Guillebert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ilja O. wrote: Who says that this password will be created by human? Program should generate it automatically, shows it to user, user writes (or prints) it and saves in piggy bank hoping he will not need it at all. This function will be used so rare that there is not point in creating rememberable passwords. Hi, And then, when he doesn't have the neo anymore, he have to find where the he put the code, run to a friend's with the piece of paper, hey can I send an SMS ?, copy 160 random characters from a piece of paper with a crappy input method on the friend's phone and hope he didn't misspell a single bit of it or the whole process would be useless. Yeah, sounds very doable... You can store this in file. Or we append simple hash to key itself. Remembering one more password is much worse (it becomes even worser when you remember that this password will be used (at most) only one time. Who will be able to remember such password for an event with such probability?). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Open Hardware
Openmoko phones are as cheap as they are because they use commodity hardware, I'm given to understand. If you wanted a phone with open hardware, you'd probably be paying thousands for all the custom components. Plus there's testing and certification for various parts, which probably is also expensive It's doable, but it'd be harder by far than the OGP. And consider that the first card released by the OGP costs $1500, which is two or three times the cost of the more expensive commodity cards, while delivering less performance (their target is 20fps in Quake 3 at 1280x1024). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Private data protection.
Ilja O. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Current phone number would be enough information. SMS to a friend that gives this number to you... It's like being at a party and your lighter is gone. You need a homing device to pin point which pocket it's in;). Maybe another solution here is to have an RFID on it, so you can swipe everybodys' pockets;). -- Esben Stien is [EMAIL PROTECTED] s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Private data protection.
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Esben Stien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ilja O. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Current phone number would be enough information. SMS to a friend that gives this number to you... It's like being at a party and your lighter is gone. You need a homing device to pin point which pocket it's in;). Maybe another solution here is to have an RFID on it, so you can swipe everybodys' pockets;). And portable thermonuclear bomb. Just in case. (Well, phone is already hand interface to several orbital atomic clocks, isn't it?) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
atomic clock / radio-receiver chip
And portable thermonuclear bomb. Just in case. (Well, phone is already hand interface to several orbital atomic clocks, isn't it?) the atomic clock(s) arent orbiting the earth, to receive the one in Colorado (or Hawaii, 3330 in Canada..), youd need some chip like Si4735 http://www.silabs.com/public/documents/marcom_doc/mcoll/Broadcast/Radio_Tuners/en/Si473x_Presentation.pdf their doc shows ipods, phones, and handheld PCs. has anyone besides the DSP-Rado people actually put this in _any_ product, let alone a phone? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: atomic clock / radio-receiver chip
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 9:26 PM, cdr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And portable thermonuclear bomb. Just in case. (Well, phone is already hand interface to several orbital atomic clocks, isn't it?) the atomic clock(s) arent orbiting the earth, But why there are no clocks at the orbit? They could be useful enough. E.g. if there are several of them each on predefined geostationary orbit we could do lots of useful things with them! For example, we could prove that general relativity indeed exists (although ionosphere would likely to spoil party at some degree). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: atomic clock / radio-receiver chip
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Ilja O. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 9:26 PM, cdr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And portable thermonuclear bomb. Just in case. (Well, phone is already hand interface to several orbital atomic clocks, isn't it?) the atomic clock(s) arent orbiting the earth, But why there are no clocks at the orbit? They could be useful enough. E.g. if there are several of them each on predefined geostationary orbit we could do lots of useful things with them! For example, we could prove that general relativity indeed exists (although ionosphere would likely to spoil party at some degree). Huh, I'm a little confused about whats being spoken about here, but the GPS satellites are effectively giant orbiting atomic clocks, its the basis of GPS. Cheers, Federico ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: atomic clock / radio-receiver chip
I have one (or something equivalent) in my watch (Casio Pathfinder Wave Ceptor). It synchronizes the time of my watch every night at midnight. /shrug --Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cdr Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 11:26 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: atomic clock / radio-receiver chip And portable thermonuclear bomb. Just in case. (Well, phone is already hand interface to several orbital atomic clocks, isn't it?) the atomic clock(s) arent orbiting the earth, to receive the one in Colorado (or Hawaii, 3330 in Canada..), youd need some chip like Si4735 http://www.silabs.com/public/documents/marcom_doc/mcoll/Broadcast/Radio_Tune rs/en/Si473x_Presentation.pdf their doc shows ipods, phones, and handheld PCs. has anyone besides the DSP-Rado people actually put this in _any_ product, let alone a phone? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Open Hardware
Like i mentioned it is a question of scale, a SoC if you already have most of the IP cores will not be hard to design. (the processor could be the stumbling block however) have a look here for IP that is already available http://www.opencores.org/browse.cgi/by_category You are paying nothing for custom components. The masks for the ASIC will be the big initial cost, but if you sell enough silicon it becomes less of an issue. On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 09:53 -0400, Chris Wright wrote: Openmoko phones are as cheap as they are because they use commodity hardware, I'm given to understand. If you wanted a phone with open hardware, you'd probably be paying thousands for all the custom components. Plus there's testing and certification for various parts, which probably is also expensive It's doable, but it'd be harder by far than the OGP. And consider that the first card released by the OGP costs $1500, which is two or three times the cost of the more expensive commodity cards, while delivering less performance (their target is 20fps in Quake 3 at 1280x1024). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Open Hardware
I am not sure how low-level you are talking, but driver wise, you can expose the API given from specific manufactures over a socket (like capi I believe) I guess some could be opened sourced, but when it comes to TI and the gsm radio, I dont see anyone that would allow for that. Again, it depends on the level of access. If you mean firmware design, I bet its all licensing issues. Please, Correct me if I'm wrong. That is just how I understand it ;) -- Brandon Kruse On Jun 1, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Chris Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Openmoko phones are as cheap as they are because they use commodity hardware, I'm given to understand. If you wanted a phone with open hardware, you'd probably be paying thousands for all the custom components. Plus there's testing and certification for various parts, which probably is also expensive It's doable, but it'd be harder by far than the OGP. And consider that the first card released by the OGP costs $1500, which is two or three times the cost of the more expensive commodity cards, while delivering less performance (their target is 20fps in Quake 3 at 1280x1024). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: atomic clock / radio-receiver chip
On Sunday 01 June 2008 21:33:15 Ilja O. wrote: But why there are no clocks at the orbit? They could be useful enough. E.g. if there are several of them each on predefined geostationary orbit we could do lots of useful things with them! For example, we could prove that general relativity indeed exists (although ionosphere would likely to spoil party at some degree). Or you could add a radio transmitter to each of the clocks in lower, almost circular orbits, and then use the differences between the times recieved from multiple orbiting atomic clocks to pinpoint your locations. You'd need a lot of them, though, probably something like 24 clocks in 3 orbital planes. OK, maybe you could get by with 21, if you beleived you don't need any spares. But naah, that would never work ;. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Open Hardware
Also, the performance is lower because OGP are using an FPGA and not an ASIC, the same code can be used for an ASIC which will run much faster. On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 09:53 -0400, Chris Wright wrote: Openmoko phones are as cheap as they are because they use commodity hardware, I'm given to understand. If you wanted a phone with open hardware, you'd probably be paying thousands for all the custom components. Plus there's testing and certification for various parts, which probably is also expensive It's doable, but it'd be harder by far than the OGP. And consider that the first card released by the OGP costs $1500, which is two or three times the cost of the more expensive commodity cards, while delivering less performance (their target is 20fps in Quake 3 at 1280x1024). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: atomic clock / radio-receiver chip
cdr wrote: the atomic clock(s) arent orbiting the earth, Hey, According to wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS ), every GPS satellite carries an atomic clock, providing every receiver on earth with really precise clock. The radio clock systems you describe are different and kinda useless when you have GPS onboard. As an engineer I'm stunned by the level of performance achieved of the GPS system : the description of Einstein's relativity compensation on the WP article is really scary :) -- Phyce ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: atomic clock / radio-receiver chip
On Sunday 01 June 2008 21:33, Ilja O. wrote: On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 9:26 PM, cdr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And portable thermonuclear bomb. Just in case. (Well, phone is already hand interface to several orbital atomic clocks, isn't it?) the atomic clock(s) arent orbiting the earth, But why there are no clocks at the orbit? They could be useful enough. E.g. if there are several of them each on predefined geostationary orbit we could do lots of useful things with them! For example, we could prove that general relativity indeed exists (although ionosphere would likely to spoil party at some degree). You could actually use it to calculate your position anywhere on the surface of the earth. Lets call it Global Positioning System (GPS). Really, what you describe here is exactly what GPS does, and you can indeed use GPS to get an acurate time... AVee -- You can tune a piano, but you can't tuna fish. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner test
Andy Green wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | If someone knows what to do to get gps device going and can instruct me, | Qtopia 4.4 has a mapping demo for testing. It has both nmea and gpsd plugins. Here is a standalone shell script to see GPS NMEA that shows what needs to happen. echo 0 /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron \ sleep 1s \ echo 1 /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron \ stty -F /dev/ttySAC1 -echo \ cat -u /dev/ttySAC1 | grep -v ^$ Thanks for that. I can report that the gta02 device I have, gps is working fine. :) Seems to get a fix faster than gta01. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
new iphone
Good evening! So who of you is thinking about buying the new iphone instead of an openmoko in case the technical specs really improve(3G, better resolution)? I'd love to have a open smartphone, but there are so many compromises with the openmoko project(hardware lacks, formfactor, unfinished software) and the timing for the release is bad unfortunately (on the other side the people interested in openmoko are not necessarily interested in the iphone - However, i guess there will be some people who drop the idea of buying a moko after next weeks apple conference...) I feel bad about this decision, i'm not willing to use proprietary software anywhere in my environment, neither work nor private, but the hardware side of the iphone is presumably better(3G, bigger screen) and the software is just _ready_. I'm kind of in a dilemma right now, on the one hand i know i'll hate the closeness of OSX at some point (Just like it happened with Windows 7 years ago) and would love to be able to do what i want with my smartphone, on the other hand i'm not a developer (i do some scripting but i'm far from any serious software hacking) and i don't have the skills to fix annoying bugs and will have to wait another few months till the software is in a useable state and a freerunner could get a expensive toy for me if development is not accelerating as fast as i expect it to after the release :-( I guess the freerunner will not get available in the next week so i can still decide, probably i'm lucky and all the speculations about the iphone are untrue(only 3G is not a (OM-)dealbreaker for me) ;-) My favourite would still be a Nokia E70 with a useable linux-OS, i just loved the gullwing formfactor - if just Symbian wasn't such a crutch, and a bit more RAM would also not hurt on the E70... my 2 cents Christian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenMoko on Treo 650
Hey folks, Following on from the info on http://blog.mikeasoft.com/2007/07/01/openmoko-on-a-treo-650/ Can anyone advise on whether gsmd now works on the 650? It would be great if OpenMoko was fully functional on the Treo 650 :-) Cheers Kyle ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
do not need _any_ interface features
If I do not want to have any UI and I do not need voice, can I reliably send data with a reasonable speed? If so, what are the benchmark speeds? Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Open Hardware
Chris Wright writes: Openmoko phones are as cheap as they are because they use commodity hardware, I'm given to understand. If you wanted a phone with open hardware, you'd probably be paying thousands for all the custom components. Plus there's testing and certification for various parts, which probably is also expensive It's doable, but it'd be harder by far than the OGP. And consider that the first card released by the OGP costs $1500, which is two or three times the cost of the more expensive commodity cards, while delivering less performance (their target is 20fps in Quake 3 at 1280x1024). See http://www.opencellphone.org/index.php?title=Main_Page for a project trying to do this. Looks like it's been a couple of years since the web page was updated, though. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: atomic clock / radio-receiver chip
Huh, I'm a little confused about whats being spoken about here, but the GPS satellites are effectively giant orbiting atomic clocks, its the basis of GPS. Hey, According to wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS ), every GPS satellite carries an atomic clock, providing every receiver on earth with really precise clock. The radio clock systems you describe are different and kinda useless when you have GPS onboard. As an engineer I'm stunned by the level of performance achieved of the GPS system : the description of Einstein's relativity compensation on the WP article is really scary :) Doh, people. You've spoiled all the fun! :( ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Our new Main page of wiki
Thanks Brenda, I spent too many years teaching writing, so I had a small advantage. WRT the sentence below Join Openmoko development. I’ll go back and look at that. Generally, if it’s not necessary I cut it. I removed the Dev Board QT2410, because it was my impression that it was out of date and not critical. I could be wrong on that, if people scream, then adjust. Ideally I would like to see three branches 1. A product branch that forks to all past and future products. 2. A developer branch that forks to all matters software. 3. A community branch that forks to community issues, like projects, blogs, wiki instructions, buying lists, etc There is also some duplication in the various links that needs cleaning up _ From: BrendaWang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 1:20 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion; steve Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki Dear Steve: I notice that you edited the Main page of wiki. The wording is better then me. I like it. Thank you for doing this. But I don't understand why you took off the sentence below Join Openmoko development? And development board--QT2410? Can you tell me why? Actually , I know that our main page is too long. I would like to make whole wiki site become short and organized. But technically , I can't solve that problem in a very short time. I just used the Google Analytic to find out the most popular page , then I use the box, put the link all together. Use the aggressive color and put the categories page on side bar, to make pages easy to find. I also use the Google Analytic to find out the most popular browser, use the right tag, make sure most of them can use wiki more easily. I got a lot of feedback here. And now , Gismo is helping us to upgrade our wiki system. After wiki system had been upgraded , I would start to work on server site. For example , I would like to change the wiki skin. And page structure. I think I would need technical support. And I will ask anyone who can help me. Anyway, the real meaning of Wiki is collaboration. Thank for you help , and hope you can understand what I am doing now. Brenda And I like it. :-) steve 提到: It's getting there. -Original Message- From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 8:15 PM To: steve Cc: 'List for Openmoko community discussion' Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki On Fri, 2 May 2008 17:13:06 -0700 steve mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: indeed - it's not bad. no complaints. just observation. :) we all have got lots of things to do... :) Yes, It is a bit long. And it always has been. Brenda is working the Structure of the site ( like Edward scissorshand trimming kudzu) and I told wolfgang I would do my marketing thing on the front page. I will of course make some suggestions on organization and structure ( you know me raster ) but for now, I will let it rest, as I have other matters to attend to. The current structure is rhapsodic and so is not easily maintained, especially as new products come out. So, I'll share some thoughts later. Laconically yours, Steve -Original Message- From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 5:03 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: steve Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki On Fri, 2 May 2008 14:25:18 -0700 steve mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: seems ok to me, though a little long :) but that's how it has been for a while. :) In any case I did a quick copy edit of the front page. Have a look, I will probably polish it some more later on and add some of my writing from the .com. PS, Raster is right. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:55 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki Am Fr 2. Mai 2008 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: On Thu, 1 May 2008 13:35:24 -0400 Nick Guenther mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I think it's a little ridiculous to leave it when at least she takes the initiative to do something. Sure - Brenda does not speak English as a native language. You are free to fix it up with your perfect English intuition. It is a wiki after all. Perhaps she might help you with your good, yet not so perfect chinese? :) Seriously. I have learnt several languages. I know how hard it is to speak a foreign language. It is damned hard. It's even harder when the language is of a completely different language school (i.e. European vs. Asian languages). The fact that someone can communicate as well as Brenda can, in a foreign language, is simply amazing. It is a mountain of work. Everyone should be as supportive as possible. It is no easy task. The fact that English is just
Join the Embedded and Mobile Day at Akademy 2008, August 12, Belgium
Hello, In the time honored tradition of the KDE community we organize special side-events during our yearly World Summit. A big part of the mind share in the Open Source world the past year has gone to Mobile and Embedded platforms; where the technical and Freedom aspects seem to favor our preferred software development model over proprietary methods. This is the reason why the EmSys research group and KDE organize this meeting of interested parties in the context of the major community event, Akademy 2008. The Embedded and Mobile Day will feature several talks and a closing panel discussion about the achievements and opportunities of Open Desktop and other Open Source projects in the Small Form-Factor world. The presentations should be oriented towards an audience knowledgeable about embedded development, not the general KDE developers. Meanwhile KDE and other Open Source hackers will be testing consumer devices and the desktop applications they are meant to interface with during a plugfest, for which anyone is most welcome to provide hardware contributions. Topics can include, but are in no way limited to: * Embedded Linux * Mobile and integrated GUI's * System Integration * Embedded Development tools and distro's * Innovation based on Open Source and Open Desktop technology More details on the website at http://akademy.kde.org/events/emmobile.php . This is your chance to contribute and share your ideas, project or demonstrations by sending a topic proposal to [EMAIL PROTECTED] before June 16th. Feel free to forward this email to as many people as possible. Bart Cerneels [EMAIL PROTECTED] irc: Stecchino on freenode Akademy 2008 organizer First point of contact for everything venue related cellphone +32496100633 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
