Re: What's a "Webshop re-open gifts?"

[Charles Pax]

Thanks for the responses. It's clear to me now.

-Charles

On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 1:49 AM, ian douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Steve has mentioned several times that "while supplies last", they would
> be sending laser stylii, 512MB microSD cards and a headset with the
> 10-pack orders. Once they run out, they run out, and they'll send a
> plastic stylus with each phone.
>
> Openmoko doesn't want to be in the business of selling stylus pointers,
> microSD cards, screen protectors, headsets, carrying pouches, etc.
> They'd rather leave that to after-market entrepreneurs.
>
> -id
>
>
> Robert Horton wrote:
> > Well according to a message earlier here, the nice stylus is being used
> > up before they move to a plastic one so I would think the re-open gift
> > is  stuff that isn't part of the actual $399 price and is a gift until
> > they are gone. I would assume they'd be included in the 10 packs as well.
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Charles Pax
> > *Sent:* Friday, July 04, 2008 12:20 AM
> > *To:* Openmoko Community
> > *Subject:* What's a "Webshop re-open gifts?"
> >
> >
> >
> > The web shot states," Webshop re-open gifts: 512MB microSD, Laser stylus
> > pen." What does that mean and will the ten packs be getting this stuff?
> >
> > -Charles
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Re: The next shipment

[Jayesh Salvi]

OK, I see what you mean. This page (http://www.openmoko.com/product.html)
tells about all the bands that the two versions support.


   - *GSM*
  - Tri band 850/1800/1900 MHz
  - Tri band 900/1800/1900 MHz

Thanks,
Jayesh

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Robert Horton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>  Yes, but notice none use 900, so the 850 is better for the US since the
> other 2 bands are included in both versions.
>
>
>
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Jayesh Salvi
> *Sent:* Friday, July 04, 2008 12:24 AM
> *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion
> *Subject:* Re: The next shipment
>
>
>
> Glad that I read this post sooner. Looks like very few providers (even in
> US) use GSM 850.
> http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml
>
> Jayesh
>
>
>  On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Alexander Frøyseth <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ahh
> Soo the sale off 900 havent started yet
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev:
>
> Phones are not sold out. They haven't started to ship 900 yet. It's
>
> just a little confusing message.
>
>
>
> On 7/3/08, Alexander Frøyseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
>
> Hey.
>
> I see on the moko store that teh 900GSM is sold out.
>
> When are it going to be refilled?
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Re: What's a "Webshop re-open gifts?"

[ian douglas]

Steve has mentioned several times that "while supplies last", they would 
be sending laser stylii, 512MB microSD cards and a headset with the 
10-pack orders. Once they run out, they run out, and they'll send a 
plastic stylus with each phone.

Openmoko doesn't want to be in the business of selling stylus pointers, 
microSD cards, screen protectors, headsets, carrying pouches, etc. 
They'd rather leave that to after-market entrepreneurs.

-id


Robert Horton wrote:
> Well according to a message earlier here, the nice stylus is being used 
> up before they move to a plastic one so I would think the re-open gift 
> is  stuff that isn’t part of the actual $399 price and is a gift until 
> they are gone. I would assume they’d be included in the 10 packs as well.
> 
>  
> 
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Charles Pax
> *Sent:* Friday, July 04, 2008 12:20 AM
> *To:* Openmoko Community
> *Subject:* What's a "Webshop re-open gifts?"
> 
>  
> 
> The web shot states," Webshop re-open gifts: 512MB microSD, Laser stylus 
> pen." What does that mean and will the ten packs be getting this stuff?
> 
> -Charles
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RE: What's a "Webshop re-open gifts?"

[Robert Horton]

Well according to a message earlier here, the nice stylus is being used up
before they move to a plastic one so I would think the re-open gift is
stuff that isn't part of the actual $399 price and is a gift until they are
gone. I would assume they'd be included in the 10 packs as well. 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Pax
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:20 AM
To: Openmoko Community
Subject: What's a "Webshop re-open gifts?"

 

The web shot states," Webshop re-open gifts: 512MB microSD, Laser stylus
pen." What does that mean and will the ten packs be getting this stuff?

-Charles

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Los Angeles Group Purchase is Complete!

[ian douglas]

I'm writing up a notice to 5 of the 10 people from the wiki who were 
good enough to contact me to discuss payment options and a 
meet-and-greet. Through some basic collaboration, I went ahead and made 
the purchase.


The other 5 people have a ticking clock before I sell their Freerunners 
to other interested parties! 7 days to contact me once they arrive (if 
they ship on Saturday, they should arrive on Tuesday).


For those curious, a 10-pack of phones plus one debug board comes out as:

1x DBoard for $99.00 each
1x Neo FreeRunner - GSM 850-10 Pack   for $3,690.00 each

Subtotal  : $3,789.00 USD
Tax   : $274.70 USD
Shipping  : $32.58 USD
Total : $4,096.28 USD

Looks like the tax rate is 7.25%, and the $32.58 is for 2nd day air via 
UPS. The slowest shipping option was $9.80.

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RE: The next shipment

[Robert Horton]

Yes, but notice none use 900, so the 850 is better for the US since the
other 2 bands are included in both versions. 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:24 AM
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Subject: Re: The next shipment

 

Glad that I read this post sooner. Looks like very few providers (even in
US) use GSM 850.
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml

Jayesh




On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Alexander Frøyseth
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Ahh
Soo the sale off 900 havent started yet
[EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: 

Phones are not sold out. They haven't started to ship 900 yet. It's
just a little confusing message.
 
On 7/3/08, Alexander Frøyseth  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Hey.
I see on the moko store that teh 900GSM is sold out.
When are it going to be refilled?
 
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Re: Need screenshots of ASU, FSO

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Am Freitag 04 Juli 2008 05:22:48 schrieb Michael Shiloh:
> Can someone point me at any screenshots of ASU and FSO?

Only some very early ones @

http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=6

It has slightly changed since then. I'll cook some when I'm back from my 3-day 
vacation which starts now.

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Re: The next shipment

[Jayesh Salvi]

Glad that I read this post sooner. Looks like very few providers (even in
US) use GSM 850.
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml

Jayesh



On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Alexander Frøyseth <
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>  Ahh
> Soo the sale off 900 havent started yet
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev:
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> Phones are not sold out. They haven't started to ship 900 yet. It's
> just a little confusing message.
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> On 7/3/08, Alexander Frøyseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
>  Hey.
> I see on the moko store that teh 900GSM is sold out.
> When are it going to be refilled?
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What's a "Webshop re-open gifts?"

[Charles Pax]

The web shot states," Webshop re-open gifts: 512MB microSD, Laser stylus
pen." What does that mean and will the ten packs be getting this stuff?

-Charles
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Re: Anyone attending Foo Camp?

[ian douglas]

Is it up north, Michael?

Michael Shiloh wrote:
> I'm setting up an Openmoko hack-a-thon and would love to know if anyone 
> from this list will be there.
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Re: Car charger to GTA02

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Marco Trevisan (Treviño) skrev:
> I'd like to buy one. Is this [1] good to get the full-charging speed 
> with the Freerunner?
>
> Thanks!
>
> [1] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360065251941
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Yes it is :)
You only needs 1 Amp, this have 2 Amps

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Re: Need screenshots of ASU, FSO

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Michael Shiloh ha scritto:
> Can someone point me at any screenshots of ASU and FSO?

The ASU ones are at http://dos.jogger.pl/2008/06/29/asu-to-przyszlosc/

I dunno about FSO...

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Re: My word on GPRS

[Brad Midgley]

Ben

> I wonder how feasible/effective it would be to do some extra realtime
> compression on the GPRS data link?

ppp tries to compress it already, yes.

some carriers stuck with gprs rates used to try payload manipulation.
one way is with an http proxy that removes fidelity from images before
sending them across the slow link. t-mobile in the US did this. maybe
they still have it as an option.

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Need screenshots of ASU, FSO

[Michael Shiloh]

Can someone point me at any screenshots of ASU and FSO?

Thanks,
Michael

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Re: Car charger to GTA02

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

I'd like to buy one. Is this [1] good to get the full-charging speed 
with the Freerunner?

Thanks!

[1] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360065251941

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Anyone attending Foo Camp?

[Michael Shiloh]

I'm setting up an Openmoko hack-a-thon and would love to know if anyone 
from this list will be there.

Michael

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Re: Payment Gateway: Error 500

[Kurt Snieckus]

I got the same error with a PNC Bank Visa Debit card, and ended up using a
different card to buy it, but my bank notified me of three transactions that
were withdrawn or canceled or something. So it "worked" but it didn't
finish.
I also found the webstore didn't work in firefox 3 on my linux box, which
was strange, it might have been a plugin though.

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> No, actually that statement isn't completely true Harry. The Hi Trust
> Payment gateway system does not communicate with every banking network,
> such
> as Bank of America Visa Debit cards. I found this out today after
> attempting
> many times to make a purchase ; (
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> > Dear All,
> > Error 500, mean is your credit card bank won't accept international
> > transaction or they locked your card for huge payment for 10packs , pls
> > call your bank release your card and back to shop again!!
> > Besides, I will inform my payment gateway to watch out our all
> > transaction and ask them make it always smoothly.
> >
> > Freerunner is running fast!!!
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Re: Payment Gateway: Error 500

[Seattle Web Creations, LLC]

No, actually that statement isn't completely true Harry. The Hi Trust
Payment gateway system does not communicate with every banking network, such
as Bank of America Visa Debit cards. I found this out today after attempting
many times to make a purchase ; (


On 7/3/08 4:35 PM, "Harry Tsai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dear All,
> Error 500, mean is your credit card bank won't accept international
> transaction or they locked your card for huge payment for 10packs , pls
> call your bank release your card and back to shop again!!
> Besides, I will inform my payment gateway to watch out our all
> transaction and ask them make it always smoothly.
> 
> Freerunner is running fast!!!
> 
> 
> BR
> 
> 
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Re: InvisibleShield screen protectors

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Peter Naulls wrote:
> Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
>> Yorick Matthys wrote:
>>> Are there other persons interested in buying one?
>> I do :P
>>
>>> We could ask them to make one for the Freerunner.
>> Did you see this: http://tinyurl.com/6rmj5j :)
>>
> 
> Also:
> http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=openmoko&category0=

Cool. Anyway I've already taken one at ZAGG (the free shipping Worldwide 
thing is so cool), and I got two discount codes too! :P

I've always bought accessories (generally USB cables) before than the 
phone itself. This time the story has not changed :)

Looking for a good (1A-2A) usb car charger now! ;)

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Re: Group Sale: Los Angeles

[ian douglas]

We have a 10th buyer for the Los Angeles group, but so far I've only 
heard from half the group.

Obviously I don't want to risk buying 5 extra phones and being stuck 
without buyers.

If the other people who expressed interest can contact me ASAP, we can 
discuss getting payments etc. together to place our order.

Ian


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> A user named "Bill Sun" listed themselves on the GroupSales wiki page
> for Los Angeles (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Los_Angeles)
> but hasn't configured the wiki to allow me to contact them through the
> wiki. If that person is still on the list here and can contact me,
> that'd be great.
> 
> We also have one slot left (or two if we don't hear from Bill Sun) to
> get an exact order of 10 Freerunners. I'll be sending an Email tonight
> to coordinate the group and discuss payment options, etc.
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Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Shawn Rutledge wrote:
> It's often been wished for an Asterisk-to-Skype gateway.  It would be
> an elegant solution: run the gateway at home or on a hosted server,
> and use any ordinary SIP or IAX client on the Neo.
> 
> Well last time I checked into that was a couple years ago, but now it
> appears such a thing exists:
> 
> http://www.mhspot.com/mhspot/sippyskype.htm

That's the same I'd like to post (also months ago :P)!

A way to workaround this problem would be using a wrapper (based on 
Skype API) that runs on a  (linux) PC that runs Skype and acts as a 
server to which our phone will connect.

As Shawn has posted there are some of these wrappers using the skype API 
to use skype with standard SIP clients.
Myself I've tried SippySkype in my PC and I was able to make my phone 
attached to a SIP VoIP adapter (PAP2) ring when I was called in skype 
(both calling it using its LAN IP and calling its telephone number using 
another VoIP call performed by SippySkype itself).
Or, at the contrary, I was able to call my contacts by calling them 
using my phone attached to the voip-adapter.

So basically my idea to get my incoming skype calls on Freerunner:
  - Run Skype and SippySkype on my PC / Server
  - Activating two free accounts of the same VoIP provider (registering
at one of these that allows you to call freely the numbers of the
same provider itself [skypho.net does it])
  - Setting Sippyskype to redirect my skype incoming calls as SIP calls
done using the first VoIP number I've got to the second VoIP number
(that is the mobile itself).

Skype-call -> Skype2SIP -> SIP-call-account1 -> account2 -> 
SIP-openmoko-client -> phone

And reverse. This is not hard, just a little tricky; and with no 
openmoko SIP client, it's, well, harder :P BTW, maybe, the ASU image has 
a working one?!

All This could be a way to talk with skype client, but to get a real 
skype-wrapper we're missing the contacts chat support. Sippyskype (as 
the others Skype2SIP wrappers) doesn't support it. I figure it won't be 
so hard doing it. There's a skype2irc implementation, so it could be 
used to create a fake irc server on local PC to connect to with the phone.

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Maximizing the GPRS through compression and caching

[Mikko Rauhala]

pe, 2008-07-04 kello 11:50 +1200, Ben Wilson kirjoitti:
> I wonder how feasible/effective it would be to do some extra realtime 
> compression on the GPRS data link?
> Make a connection to your home Linux box to terminate the compression 
> and connect you out to the internet from there.

Yeah I have often done something to this effect when surfing over GPRS;
do an ssh -C -L tunnel to a web proxy (or even nowadays use the generic
socks tunneling of ssh -C -D). That's an easy if not quite as generic
solution as full-blown compressed VPN. (I'm not sure if the dropbear
client supports -D, I don't think so; but anyway.)

For web browsing, there's more to be done by using a smart proxy on both
the client and the intermediary computer; see the ideas at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Server:WebProxy

I have some ugly and partially buggy (the Twisted integration part
spesifically) python code that does the HTML diffing (well, it splits on
> and identifies and transmits line ranges; uses ssh -C to provide usual
compression and encryption). I will probably debug it a bit at some
point here since hey, my Freerunner is shipping to me tomorrow. Perhaps
hopefully also add rdiff support for non-ML/text data (yes, I did check
the special algo was markedly more efficient for ML/text in several
interesting test cases at least). However, I'm not convinced I'll have
the motivation to polish it up as suitable for general consumption, and
would appreciate if an interested party stepped up (hell, even if they
didn't use my hacked-up code at all but rather just ran with the general
idea).

Oh yeah, the code? It's not up anywhere at this point, since it's not
useful as is. I can send to interested parties on request, and if I get
it functional, I'll certainly post it up.

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Re: My word on GPRS

[Ben Wilson]

I wonder how feasible/effective it would be to do some extra realtime 
compression on the GPRS data link?
Make a connection to your home Linux box to terminate the compression 
and connect you out to the internet from there.

I'm not sure how GPRS works exactly, it may already use compression that 
can't really be improved upon etc.. but it might be something to think 
about.
Even and improvement from 5KB/s to 8KB/s would be nice.

Ben.

Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> Am Donnerstag 03 Juli 2008 08:21:50 schrieb Knight Walker:
>   
>> Anyone who has paid attention to this mailing list over the last few
>> months has seen the "It doesn't have 3G, it's worthless" messages about
>> the FreeRunner. For me (And many, many others) having a fast,
>> power-hungry wireless pipe to the phone isn't as important as everything
>> else the FreeRunner brings to the table. But I do have a question: What
>> kind of thru-put can we expect to see from the GPRS radio in the
>> FreeRunner? Is it 2k/sec dial-up speed?
>> 
>
> I have just did some measurements and I have achieved a sustained throughput 
> of about 5K/sec. It's not stellar, but you can actually do a lot with that, 
> if you're a bit clever. People have lived for decades with slower landline 
> modems.
>
>   
>> Also, and I know this has been talked about before, but is the final
>> word that the GPRS can or cannot be active at the same time as the GSM
>> (Class B or whatever it's called)? An ongoing GPRS connection would be
>> really nice but if it can suspend/resume decently (Something like v.92
>> on modems if anyone remembers those).
>> 
>
> I just did some tests with our framework and here's my first (not final) word 
> on it:
>
> You can activate a GPRS context, have the ppp0 interface automatically setup 
> and transmit data.
>
> Two cases now:
>
> a) If you want to dial out, just dial out. The ppp0 interface will keep being 
> up, but will not be able to transmit any data while you're calling, e.g. a 
> wget will be stalling, pings will hang. Once you hangup, the context will 
> automatically be resumed, wget will continue, pings will return.
>
> b) If you want to receive calls, the connection needs to be idle. You can 
> safely have an activated context (i.e. i was able to log in via SSH) being 
> idle and then you will get your incoming call notifications.
>
> Note though, once someone wants to call you while you are not idling, i.e. 
> during a long wget, you will not get any call notifications. Instead, the 
> network will think you are not reachable and -- if configured -- send you to 
> the voice mailbox.
>
> All in all, considering the age of the TI Calypso, I'm quite satisfied with 
> the possibilites this gives us.
>
> Yes, it's not perfect. Yes, I'd love to have more. But I can already do a lot.
>
> Hope that helps,
>   

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Re: InvisibleShield screen protectors

[Peter Naulls]

Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
> Yorick Matthys wrote:
>> Are there other persons interested in buying one?
> I do :P
> 
>> We could ask them to make one for the Freerunner.
> 
> Did you see this: http://tinyurl.com/6rmj5j :)
> 

Also:

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=openmoko&category0=


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Re: My word on GPRS (was: How Slow Is Fast?)

[Steven **]

Really, the chances of your connection being *constantly* in use is
pretty small.  You'd have to be downloading a relatively large file or
something that has 0 ms of idle time.  I'm pretty sure this wouldn't
happen during normal use.

For example, you're browsing the web.  You'd pull up a webpage.  Maybe
during the few seconds this takes to load, your phone won't ring.
But, as soon as that page is loaded, you'd get the call.  And that's
worst case.  Chances are, the loading of the webpage acts as loading
several smaller files where it would get interrupted halfway through
by a phone call.

-Steven

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Mikko Rauhala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> to, 2008-07-03 kello 16:15 -0400, Nkoli kirjoitti:
>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Mikko Rauhala
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Umh. Disappointing. Is this really the best it can do or best
>> that has been coaxed out of it so far?
>>
>> This is the case with all gprs/edge capable phones - it has nothing to
>> do with the neo specifically. 3G radios can maintain both voice and
>> data at the same time; 2 and 2.5G radios cannot.
>
> I know that, but that the signaling of an incoming voice call won't
> necessarily make it through if the GPRS is in constant use was news to
> me.
>
> To be fair, I don't have a clue if my previous GPRS phones have also
> actually behaved in this manner hidden from me...
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Payment Gateway: Error 500

[Harry Tsai]

Dear All,
Error 500, mean is your credit card bank won't accept international 
transaction or they locked your card for huge payment for 10packs , pls 
call your bank release your card and back to shop again!!
Besides, I will inform my payment gateway to watch out our all 
transaction and ask them make it always smoothly.

Freerunner is running fast!!!


BR


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Re: InvisibleShield screen protectors

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Yorick Matthys wrote:
> Are there other persons interested in buying one?
I do :P

> We could ask them to make one for the Freerunner.

Did you see this: http://tinyurl.com/6rmj5j :)

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Re: FreeRunner - import Contacts

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Dennis Wollersheim ha scritto:
> - From my hazy memory doing this with the Neo, there are 2 options, depending
> on what image you are using.  If you are using the qtopia image, I think
> you need to get the contacts into qtopia image somehow.

Look in mail archives (i.e. with gmane), some weeks ago has been posted 
an how-to for importing contacts in ASU (qtopia, then...).

I figure that is not so hard building a contact file for the gtk 
openmoko platform too (based on evolution AFAIK).

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Re: Which image

[Peter Strapp]

Al Johnson wrote:
> On Thursday 03 July 2008, Andy Selby wrote:
>   
>>> If we want to install additional packages is would FSO also be an option?
>>>   
>> Not as far as I know, they're trying to get the basics working, last i
>> checked it could suspend/resume and make/receive calls, nothing more
>> 
>
> opkg works - I installed gpe-scap to take some screenshots. I don't know if 
> the home screen can be configured to launch other apps though. You may be 
> stuck with using ssh to get things going unless you feel like writing some 
> code.
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Linux application launchers (.desktop file) into 
/usr/share/applications. Most applications should do this anyway.





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Re: My word on GPRS

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Am Freitag 04 Juli 2008 00:20:07 schrieb Michael 'Mickey' Lauer:
> Am Donnerstag 03 Juli 2008 23:02:07 schrieb Clinton Ebadi:
> > "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > b) If you want to receive calls, the connection needs to be idle. You
> > > can safely have an activated context (i.e. i was able to log in via
> > > SSH) being idle and then you will get your incoming call notifications.
> > >
> > > Note though, once someone wants to call you while you are not idling,
> > > i.e. during a long wget, you will not get any call notifications.
> > > Instead, the network will think you are not reachable and -- if
> > > configured -- send you to the voice mailbox.
> >
> > Is this a limitation of the chipset or the software stack?
>
> To be honest, I have no clue (yet). Perhaps there are some additional
> configuration options which I do not have explored yet. This is just my
> first results.

Uh oh, I read a bit up on that and apparantly a lot of people (even with new 
handsets) can confirm that incoming calls very rarely come through an active 
gprs connection.

The net is full of discussions about that, see e.g. 
http://www.theunwired.net/?itemid=1493

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Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem

[Shawn Rutledge]

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Alexey Feldgendler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Those I've seen work by running the actual Skype binary inside a virtual
> machine or some kind of a sandbox and routing audio to and from it. This
> probably wastes ten times more resources than it should.

It's unfortunate, but I'd rather waste some cycles on a server to get
a clean, open interface on the phone.  The problem is so many people
think of Skype first when they think of VoIP.  Why? Probably because
it "just works" - does a lot of sneaky stuff to get through various
kinds of firewalls, etc.

Anyway there is native Skype for Linux now, so maybe some of these are
using the published APIs, if that's possible... not sure.

http://zhink.com/site/main/?p=5   (claims to be all-software, running
on Linux, but is not free)

Some of them just have to be run on Windows though.  (and use the
published APIs)

A tougher alternative is to reverse-engineer it.

There is still an unclaimed bounty being offered for a proper free
Asterisk-Skype gateway that runs on Linux.

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Re: Error while paying

[Jim Morris]

I tried a different account it failed the first time, then within 5 minutes I 
got a call from 
security, they asked if it was legitimate, and cleared it, so I went and tried 
again and it went 
through.


Jim Morris wrote:
> I also get the gateway error when trying to buy a 10 pack. It sucks, but OTOH 
> they can't sell out if 
> no one can buy one ;)
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Re: GSM Carrier

[Asheesh Laroia]

On Thu, 3 Jul 2008, ian douglas wrote:

> Brad Pitcher wrote:
>> That is exactly right.  I thought I read about some work around for the 
>> port restriction, but I didn't dare to try it so I stuck with the 
>> add-on.
>
>
> Well, in theory, if you're writing your own app and have a spare IP 
> address, you could write the app to answer on port 12345 and configure 
> that IP address via iptables to listen on port 80 but forward internally 
> to your app on port 12345. Pretty simple redirection.

What I have done in the past is use 'ssh -D' to create a local SOCKS 
proxy to tunnel to another machine running SSHD on port 993.

There are weird latency effects involved in laying all your connections 
over a single TCP connection; better would be see if one can abuse TCP 
packets to a remote port 993 and treat it as UDP, and then do OpenVPN. 
(Or just see if you can do UDP on that network.)

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Re: Which image

[Al Johnson]

On Thursday 03 July 2008, Andy Selby wrote:
> >If we want to install additional packages is would FSO also be an option?
>
> Not as far as I know, they're trying to get the basics working, last i
> checked it could suspend/resume and make/receive calls, nothing more

opkg works - I installed gpe-scap to take some screenshots. I don't know if 
the home screen can be configured to launch other apps though. You may be 
stuck with using ssh to get things going unless you feel like writing some 
code.

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Re: My word on GPRS (was: How Slow Is Fast?)

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Am Donnerstag 03 Juli 2008 22:55:48 schrieb Shawn Rutledge:
> This is all the same on both the original Neo1973 and the Freerunner,
> right?
>
> Is the FSO image OK for doing GPRS?

milestone1 did not contain any gprs features. milestone2 was not supposed to 
have, but since people have approached me a lot about that, I promised to 
take a look -- and it was quite simple ;) GPRS is now working fine in 
framework git, just not deployed into an image yet.

Try building an image and see for yourself. (Note that I don't guarantee 
builds between milestones to be stable, I have not enough resources to do 
that).

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Re: My word on GPRS

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Am Donnerstag 03 Juli 2008 23:02:07 schrieb Clinton Ebadi:
> "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > b) If you want to receive calls, the connection needs to be idle. You can
> > safely have an activated context (i.e. i was able to log in via SSH)
> > being idle and then you will get your incoming call notifications.
> >
> > Note though, once someone wants to call you while you are not idling,
> > i.e. during a long wget, you will not get any call notifications.
> > Instead, the network will think you are not reachable and -- if
> > configured -- send you to the voice mailbox.
>
> Is this a limitation of the chipset or the software stack?

To be honest, I have no clue (yet). Perhaps there are some additional 
configuration options which I do not have explored yet. This is just my first 
results.

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Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem

[Alexey Feldgendler]

On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:32:47 +0200, Shawn Rutledge  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It's often been wished for an Asterisk-to-Skype gateway.  It would be
> an elegant solution: run the gateway at home or on a hosted server,
> and use any ordinary SIP or IAX client on the Neo.
>
> Well last time I checked into that was a couple years ago, but now it
> appears such a thing exists:

Those I've seen work by running the actual Skype binary inside a virtual  
machine or some kind of a sandbox and routing audio to and from it. This  
probably wastes ten times more resources than it should.


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Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem

[Shawn Rutledge]

It's often been wished for an Asterisk-to-Skype gateway.  It would be
an elegant solution: run the gateway at home or on a hosted server,
and use any ordinary SIP or IAX client on the Neo.

Well last time I checked into that was a couple years ago, but now it
appears such a thing exists:

http://www.mhspot.com/mhspot/sippyskype.htm

https://extras.skype.com/categories/all/good/asterisk

http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/skype/sip-to-skype-gateway-breaks-skypes-great-wall-of-voip.asp
http://www.asteriskvoipnews.com/asterisk_development/skypetoasterisksip_progress_part_1.html

And asterisk of course can make good use of third-party PSTN (real
telephone line) termination services, or you can use a Winmodem to
connect Asterisk to your own home phone line.  Then use the Neo as a
client.

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Re: Which image

[Andy Selby]

>> Try here
>> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080703/
> Is this not qtopia?
> or is ASU hidden behind this:

Sorry, I just realised I posted the exact same url as you did.
ASU does include qtopia apps, but it also has the shelf widgets (the
popdown menu at the top of the screen)

> Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080703-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2

ASU images have *qtopia-x11* in the filename like this one from that page
Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080703-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2

>If we want to install additional packages is would FSO also be an option?

Not as far as I know, they're trying to get the basics working, last i
checked it could suspend/resume and make/receive calls, nothing more

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Re: My word on GPRS

[Clinton Ebadi]

"Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> b) If you want to receive calls, the connection needs to be idle. You can 
> safely have an activated context (i.e. i was able to log in via SSH) being 
> idle and then you will get your incoming call notifications.
>
> Note though, once someone wants to call you while you are not idling, i.e. 
> during a long wget, you will not get any call notifications. Instead, the 
> network will think you are not reachable and -- if configured -- send you to 
> the voice mailbox.

Is this a limitation of the chipset or the software stack? My ancient
Nokia 7610 will interrupt an active GPRS connection when incoming
calls are received.

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Re: My word on GPRS (was: How Slow Is Fast?)

[Erland Lewin]

Would be possible to do some sort of bandwidth throttling of the GPRS data
connection, or pausing data traffic briefly with some interval to make sure
that incoming calls get through?
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Re: My word on GPRS (was: How Slow Is Fast?)

[Shawn Rutledge]

This is all the same on both the original Neo1973 and the Freerunner, right?

Is the FSO image OK for doing GPRS?

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RE: Error while paying

[Jim Morris]

I also get the gateway error when trying to buy a 10 pack. It sucks, but OTOH 
they can't sell out if 
no one can buy one ;)


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Re: GSM Carrier

[Michael P. Cosby]

Or with a little more work you can make the entire thing transparent by 
setting up a VPN on one of those ports and just directing linux to route all 
traffic over the VPN.


-Original Message-
From: ian douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, Jul 3, 2008 3:25 pm
Subject: Re: GSM Carrier
To: List for Openmoko community discussion 
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Brad Pitcher wrote:
 That is exactly right.  I thought I read about some work around for the 
 port restriction, but I didn't dare to try it so I stuck with the add-on.


Well, in theory, if you're writing your own app and have a spare IP address, 
you could write the app to answer on port 12345 and configure that IP address 
via iptables to listen on port 80 but forward internally to your app on port 
12345. Pretty simple redirection.

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Re: My word on GPRS (was: How Slow Is Fast?)

[Mikko Rauhala]

to, 2008-07-03 kello 16:15 -0400, Nkoli kirjoitti:
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Mikko Rauhala
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Umh. Disappointing. Is this really the best it can do or best
> that has been coaxed out of it so far?
> 
> This is the case with all gprs/edge capable phones - it has nothing to
> do with the neo specifically. 3G radios can maintain both voice and
> data at the same time; 2 and 2.5G radios cannot.

I know that, but that the signaling of an incoming voice call won't
necessarily make it through if the GPRS is in constant use was news to
me.

To be fair, I don't have a clue if my previous GPRS phones have also
actually behaved in this manner hidden from me...

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Re: GSM Carrier

[ian douglas]

Brad Pitcher wrote:
> That is exactly right.  I thought I read about some work around for the 
> port restriction, but I didn't dare to try it so I stuck with the add-on.


Well, in theory, if you're writing your own app and have a spare IP
address, you could write the app to answer on port 12345 and configure
that IP address via iptables to listen on port 80 but forward internally
to your app on port 12345. Pretty simple redirection.

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Re: My word on GPRS (was: How Slow Is Fast?)

[Nkoli]

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Mikko Rauhala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
>
> Umh. Disappointing. Is this really the best it can do or best that has
> been coaxed out of it so far?
>
> This is the case with all gprs/edge capable phones - it has nothing to do
with the neo specifically. 3G radios can maintain both voice and data at the
same time; 2 and 2.5G radios cannot.
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Re: Which image

[Eildert Groeneveld]

On Thursday 03 July 2008, Andy Selby wrote:
> > I get the impression that only qtopia has daily builds, is that correct?
>
> No, ASU has it too
>
> > If wee want to use ASU the most recent is the one from 2.) i.e. May 20?
>
> Try here
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080703/
Is this not qtopia?

or is ASU hidden behind this:

 
Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080703-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
 

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Re: Bluetooth Headset compatible to Freerunner?

[Kyle Gordon]

Vinc Duran wrote:
>
> Magic address book stuff? Does that mean it announces the calling 
> party? I love my JawBone  but I have to look 
> at my phone to see who's calling.
Yeah, it can tell you who is calling on the OLED display (courtesy of 
bluetooth spec described elsewhere)

It can also let you browse your recent calls list, and address book, 
using the tiny keys. I think this may be a SE extension. Personally I 
just use voice dialling.

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Re: GSM Carrier

[Brad Pitcher]

That is exactly right.  I thought I read about some work around for the 
port restriction, but I didn't dare to try it so I stuck with the add-on.

Matt Luzum wrote:
> Geoff Ruscoe wrote:
>   
>> So with T-Mobile they have a web and email option for like $5 / month 
>> (which says unlimited), but then they also have an internet plan which 
>> is like $40 / month.  Does anybody have these plans and will I be able 
>> to use the FreeRunner as a web device with the $5 plan?
>> 
>
> I don't have any first hand experience with T-Mobile data plans, but 
> this site might help you:
>
> http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/T-Mobile_Data
>
> It looks like the $5.99/month plan really is unlimited, but there are 
> port restrictions.  The $19.99/month plan has no restrictions.  These 
> are both add-ons for people with a voice plan.  The more expensive plan 
> is a stand alone data plan.
>
> At least that's how I read it.  Anyone who knows better feel free to 
> correct or expand.
>
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Re: Which image

[Andy Selby]

> I get the impression that only qtopia has daily builds, is that correct?

No, ASU has it too

> If wee want to use ASU the most recent is the one from 2.) i.e. May 20?

Try here
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080703/

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Re: My word on GPRS (was: How Slow Is Fast?)

[Mikko Rauhala]

to, 2008-07-03 kello 21:35 +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer kirjoitti:
> Note though, once someone wants to call you while you are not idling, i.e. 
> during a long wget, you will not get any call notifications. Instead, the 
> network will think you are not reachable and -- if configured -- send you to 
> the voice mailbox.

Umh. Disappointing. Is this really the best it can do or best that has
been coaxed out of it so far?

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Re: More HW from OpenMoko

[Jay Vaughan]

> Get a USB midisport or similar device and hook it up the freerunner's
> usb host port. Add Jack and some synths and you're good to go :-).
>

yup. emagic mt4 works great, btw, but i hate my dodgy cable.  would  
love it if there were a more factory-made USB/Host+Slave cable that  
just plain worked.

but yeah, i'm finding the neo1973 a very nice little screen to sit on  
the MIDI bus and tell me whats going on.  the 19" rack full of synths  
suddely has a little window.  ;)

seq24 + neo1973 + MIDI + multitimbral synth==great fun!

> The question now is how many synths use fixed point math and what
> their load is like. I recall many years ago doing some stuff on my
> 166Mhz pentium so it might work. Now if only Jack used fixed point
> math instead of representing samples as 32-bit floats (granted there
> are quality issues with switching to a fixed point representation when
> mixing a lot of audio sources, but a slight degradation would be
> acceptable and probably not noticable for performance work).


floats on ARM are pitiful, its true, but i think next-gen ARM may well  
address that issue nicely, so lets hope we keep seeing more ARM-army  
ARM farms out there on the end of peoples arms ..

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Re: Which image

[Eildert Groeneveld]

Thanks so much for the input!
One thing is clear: there are a lot of things happening. 

In the meantime, I have tried the qtopia snapshots from 

1.) http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080703/
   this seems to be qtopia only
2.) http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ ASU April 
 (the one that got shipped with the Neo?)
3.) http://downloads.openmoko.org/asu/   ASU from May 20

I get the impression that only qtopia has daily builds, is that correct?

If wee want to use ASU the most recent is the one from 2.) i.e. May 20?

If we want to install additional packages is would FSO also be an option?

greetings

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My word on GPRS (was: How Slow Is Fast?)

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Am Donnerstag 03 Juli 2008 08:21:50 schrieb Knight Walker:
> Anyone who has paid attention to this mailing list over the last few
> months has seen the "It doesn't have 3G, it's worthless" messages about
> the FreeRunner. For me (And many, many others) having a fast,
> power-hungry wireless pipe to the phone isn't as important as everything
> else the FreeRunner brings to the table. But I do have a question: What
> kind of thru-put can we expect to see from the GPRS radio in the
> FreeRunner? Is it 2k/sec dial-up speed?

I have just did some measurements and I have achieved a sustained throughput 
of about 5K/sec. It's not stellar, but you can actually do a lot with that, 
if you're a bit clever. People have lived for decades with slower landline 
modems.

> Also, and I know this has been talked about before, but is the final
> word that the GPRS can or cannot be active at the same time as the GSM
> (Class B or whatever it's called)? An ongoing GPRS connection would be
> really nice but if it can suspend/resume decently (Something like v.92
> on modems if anyone remembers those).

I just did some tests with our framework and here's my first (not final) word 
on it:

You can activate a GPRS context, have the ppp0 interface automatically setup 
and transmit data.

Two cases now:

a) If you want to dial out, just dial out. The ppp0 interface will keep being 
up, but will not be able to transmit any data while you're calling, e.g. a 
wget will be stalling, pings will hang. Once you hangup, the context will 
automatically be resumed, wget will continue, pings will return.

b) If you want to receive calls, the connection needs to be idle. You can 
safely have an activated context (i.e. i was able to log in via SSH) being 
idle and then you will get your incoming call notifications.

Note though, once someone wants to call you while you are not idling, i.e. 
during a long wget, you will not get any call notifications. Instead, the 
network will think you are not reachable and -- if configured -- send you to 
the voice mailbox.

All in all, considering the age of the TI Calypso, I'm quite satisfied with 
the possibilites this gives us.

Yes, it's not perfect. Yes, I'd love to have more. But I can already do a lot.

Hope that helps,
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Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[Arne Zachlod]

Holger Freyther schrieb:
> On Wednesday 02 July 2008 23:48:59 Arne Zachlod wrote:
>   
>> Hej guys, I had got my today and i have tested it, but my 3G card
>> doesn't function with it. he can't find a network and is unable to get
>> the pin. (i have disabled pin with another phone, then there was only
>> the problem that he doesn't find a network). but with other SIM Cards
>> form same provider there is no problem.
>> and other, non-3G-phones hasn't problem with this card, too.
>> i have no idea where i can find any informations. the gsm.log file
>> doesn't exist and my gsm-firmware-version is moko8. So, my question is:
>> does anybody else has a problem with 3G Sim card?
>> 
>
> In general minicom is your friend. Reenable the PIN on your simcard. execute 
> AT to see if the modem responds to you (kill other users if not), reset using 
> sysfs files if needed.
> Once you get OK on an AT request do:
>   AT+CFUN=1
>   AT+CPIN?
>
> it should ask for SIM PIN..
>
>   AT+CPIN=YOURPIN
>   AT+CPIN?
>
> it should say it is ready..
>
>   AT+CREG=1
>   AT+COPS=0
>
> you should see +CREG coming by.
>
>
> alternatively if you have qpe installed. You can go 
> to /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Log.conf change all Enabled = 0 to 
> Enabled = 1. Kill the qpe process, take a look 
> at /etc/X11/XSession.d/89qtopia, copy the two exports to your console, run 
> qpe and take a look at the chat qpe has with the modem.
>
> please share your results and if you don't know what I'm talking about ask.
>
> z.
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I hope I have understood you correctly and did what u meant. this is the 
console output:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# libgsmd-tool -m atcmd
libgsm-tool - (C) 2006-2007 by Harald Welte and OpenMoko, Inc.
This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY


AT
STR=`AT'
RSTR=`OK'

AT+CFUN=1
STR=`AT+CFUN=1'
RSTR=`OK'

AT+CPIN?
STR=`AT+CPIN?'
RSTR=`+CPIN: SIM PIN'

AT+CPIN=
STR=`AT+CPIN='
cme error: 3
RSTR=`+CME ERROR: 3'


so, i don't know what this error means, but the PIN was right. i hope 
anyone can imagine something with this, because i can't ;)

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Re: FreeRunner and Rogers/Fido question

[Todd Courtnage]

On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 20:58 +0200, Alexander Frøyseth wrote:
> Philippe Guillebert skrev:
> > Todd Courtnage wrote:
> >   
> >> Hey all.
> >>
> >> I live in Canada (Calgary) and am looking at buying the FreeRunner.
> >> I've also noticed that there is no 3G support.  I presently have a
> >> BlackBerry 8700 on Rogers EDGE network, with a data plan.  I'm confused
> >> in whether EDGE is 3G or 2G.  
> >> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > Edge is often referred to "2,75G".
> >
> > To sum it up :
> >
> > 2G is plain old GSM (9.6kbits/sec)
> > 2,5G is GPRS (about 50 kbits/sec)
> > 2,75G is EDGE (about 200 kbits/sec)
> > 3G is HSDPA (up to a few Mbits/sec)
> >
> > Neo Freerunner is GPRS-capable. Not awesome, but enough to check mails 
> > or things like that.
> >
> >   
> And thats exacly what I does on the mobile net :)
> Expect for calling and sms

Hey, thanks for everyones responses, that cleared up things immensely.
And, after I posted (and thought that I researched it thoroughly), I saw
on openmoko.com, it specifically says no EDGE support.  Silly me.

I am curious, would EDGE support be a potential software upgrade?  Or
does it require new hardware?

I'm torn between buying one now and waiting and see what comes out in
the coming months.  :-)

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Keyboard Free runner

[Paola Fuertes Ceballos]

Hi,

someone know which is the package name for free runner for have a keyboard?

Thanks

Paola
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Re: FreeRunner and Rogers/Fido question

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Philippe Guillebert skrev:
> Todd Courtnage wrote:
>   
>> Hey all.
>>
>> I live in Canada (Calgary) and am looking at buying the FreeRunner.
>> I've also noticed that there is no 3G support.  I presently have a
>> BlackBerry 8700 on Rogers EDGE network, with a data plan.  I'm confused
>> in whether EDGE is 3G or 2G.  
>> 
> Hi,
>
> Edge is often referred to "2,75G".
>
> To sum it up :
>
> 2G is plain old GSM (9.6kbits/sec)
> 2,5G is GPRS (about 50 kbits/sec)
> 2,75G is EDGE (about 200 kbits/sec)
> 3G is HSDPA (up to a few Mbits/sec)
>
> Neo Freerunner is GPRS-capable. Not awesome, but enough to check mails 
> or things like that.
>
>   
And thats exacly what I does on the mobile net :)
Expect for calling and sms

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Re: Openmoko Webshop Reopen NOW!!!

[Michael T. Dean]

On 07/03/2008 01:55 PM, christopher bradski wrote:
> The gateway error basically means your card was denied and your bank may have 
> red flagged the transaction. Just a call to your bank to authorize the 
> transaction and you'll be one step closer to your freerunner. :)

Pretty sure that's not the only case, as I'm getting a Gateway Error 
500" before I even get a chance to enter my credit card info--i.e. when 
it says, "Forwarding you to Hi_Trust..."

Full text of the message is: "Error from the Hi Trust gateway: TrustLink 
Server is closed. Or Merchant Server IP is not consistent with TrustLink 
Server setting."

Mike

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Re: GSM Carrier

[Matt Luzum]

Geoff Ruscoe wrote:
> So with T-Mobile they have a web and email option for like $5 / month 
> (which says unlimited), but then they also have an internet plan which 
> is like $40 / month.  Does anybody have these plans and will I be able 
> to use the FreeRunner as a web device with the $5 plan?

I don't have any first hand experience with T-Mobile data plans, but 
this site might help you:

http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/T-Mobile_Data

It looks like the $5.99/month plan really is unlimited, but there are 
port restrictions.  The $19.99/month plan has no restrictions.  These 
are both add-ons for people with a voice plan.  The more expensive plan 
is a stand alone data plan.

At least that's how I read it.  Anyone who knows better feel free to 
correct or expand.

Matt

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Re: FreeRunner and Rogers/Fido question

[Philippe Guillebert]

Todd Courtnage wrote:
> Hey all.
>
> I live in Canada (Calgary) and am looking at buying the FreeRunner.
> I've also noticed that there is no 3G support.  I presently have a
> BlackBerry 8700 on Rogers EDGE network, with a data plan.  I'm confused
> in whether EDGE is 3G or 2G.  
Hi,

Edge is often referred to "2,75G".

To sum it up :

2G is plain old GSM (9.6kbits/sec)
2,5G is GPRS (about 50 kbits/sec)
2,75G is EDGE (about 200 kbits/sec)
3G is HSDPA (up to a few Mbits/sec)

Neo Freerunner is GPRS-capable. Not awesome, but enough to check mails 
or things like that.

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Re: The next shipment

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Ahh
Soo the sale off 900 havent started yet
[EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev:

Phones are not sold out. They haven't started to ship 900 yet. It's
just a little confusing message.

On 7/3/08, Alexander Frøyseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Hey.
I see on the moko store that teh 900GSM is sold out.
When are it going to be refilled?

Alexander Frøyseth

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Re: FreeRunner and Rogers/Fido question

[Mikko Rauhala]

to, 2008-07-03 kello 12:24 -0600, Todd Courtnage kirjoitti:
> I'm confused in whether EDGE is 3G or 2G.  On the Wikipedia page:
> "While EDGE is part of the 3G standard, some phones report EDGE and 3G
> network availability as separate things, notably the iPhone."

So's Wikipedia. And everyone else as well since 3G is just a blanket
marketing term for a bundle of technologies.

EDGE does, at its fastest, reach speeds sometimes coined as 3G, but is
mostly considered 2G anyway. Does any of it matter? No.

> Paint me confused.  :-)  Can I (in theory, at least) access Rogers' EDGE
> network, and hence get data/internet access on the FreeRunner?

EDGE is a beefed-up GPRS. You _should_ be fine, only at lower speeds.

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Re: Openmoko Webshop Reopen NOW!!!

[Timo Jyrinki]

2008/7/3 christopher bradski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> The freerunner uses 850, something, and 1900. It should work fine for you. 
> Sorry for short message, I'm at work...

You mean freerunner uses something, 1800 and 1900. That something
being 850 or 900.

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Re: The next shipment

[prishelec]

Phones are not sold out. They haven't started to ship 900 yet. It's
just a little confusing message.

On 7/3/08, Alexander Frøyseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey.
> I see on the moko store that teh 900GSM is sold out.
> When are it going to be refilled?
>
> Alexander Frøyseth
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FreeRunner and Rogers/Fido question

[Todd Courtnage]

Hey all.

I live in Canada (Calgary) and am looking at buying the FreeRunner.
I've also noticed that there is no 3G support.  I presently have a
BlackBerry 8700 on Rogers EDGE network, with a data plan.  I'm confused
in whether EDGE is 3G or 2G.  On the Wikipedia page:
"While EDGE is part of the 3G standard, some phones report EDGE and 3G
network availability as separate things, notably the iPhone."

However, on the same Wikipedia page, under the Mobile Communication
standard chart, they list EDGE under the GSM (2G) section.

Paint me confused.  :-)  Can I (in theory, at least) access Rogers' EDGE
network, and hence get data/internet access on the FreeRunner?  Or get a
data plan on Fido and use it with the FreeRunner (as my Rogers contract
is coming due in a month or two).

Thanks
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Re: Openmoko Webshop Reopen NOW!!!

[Brad Pitcher]

Thanks. For the tips my order number is *1492 :)*

ian douglas wrote:
> The 850 model is 850/1800/1900 and works fine on TMobile (I've been
> using a freerunner for a few months now during testing)
>
>
> Brad Pitcher wrote:
>   
>> Harry wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear All,
>>> Sorry for delay long time!!!
>>> So far, only GSM850 Freerunner is available in stock, Debug board and 
>>> spare also!!!
>>>
>>> http://www.openmoko.com/store.html
>>>
>>> Freerunner is running
>>>
>>> Thanks and BR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Harry
>>>
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>>>   
>> I really want to get one so badly but I'm afraid of getting the wrong 
>> GSM frequency.  I live in Oregon, USA and use T-Mobile.  Can anyone 
>> advise?  I looked at the website suggested in the store and it says 
>> T-Mobile uses GSM 1900.  Does that mean I can't use any FreeRunner?
>> Thanks,
>> Brad
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GSM Carrier

[Geoff Ruscoe]

Okay so I started looking into the GSM carriers around here [U.S. /
Spefically midwest] and basically it seems to me that our only _real_
options are T-Mobile and AT&T.

So I looked into them and was wondering if anybody had any feedback on
this.  I've seen some other threads, but they didn't cover this exactly.

So with T-Mobile they have a web and email option for like $5 / month (which
says unlimited), but then they also have an internet plan which is like $40
/ month.  Does anybody have these plans and will I be able to use the
FreeRunner as a web device with the $5 plan?

Also do we have the ability to do SMS messages with the FreeRunner as
shipped?
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Re: Error while paying

[Hans L]

I also received this error, which I originally thought was because I
was having trouble remembering my password for the visa verification
page.  I got an automated call from my credit card company(WaMu) a
minute later to confirm it.

Hans


On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Michael T. Dean
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 07/03/2008 11:52 AM, Ken Young wrote:
>> Peter Naulls wrote:
>>> Me too, but I called up Chase, and they took off the block on
>>> international purchases.   So that is the 10 pack for
>>> San Diego group buy - still need 2-3 more people for it, I
>>> don't want to end up with 4 phones ;-)
>>>
>> Citibank did this too.   So "Gateway Error 500" is Hi Trust's way
>> of saying "Credit Card Declined".   I called Citibank, got them to
>> lift the block, and the transaction went through smoothly after
>> that.
>
> I think 500 is probably a generic HTTP 500 (Internal Server Error), as
> I'm getting a "Gateway Error 500" ("Error from the Hi Trust gateway:
> TrustLink Server is closed. Or Merchant Server IP is not consistent with
> TrustLink Server setting.") before I even get a chance to enter my
> credit card info--i.e. when it says, "Forwarding you to Hi_Trust..."
>
> Though--assuming I can get to the Hi Trust server eventually--I'll keep
> an eye out for a 500 indicated the credit card was rejected, too.  :)
>
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Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem

[Mikko Rauhala]

to, 2008-07-03 kello 12:45 -0500, Forrest Sheng Bao kirjoitti:
> PS: If you wanna call a traditional telephone from a VoIP client,
> there must be a company providing the service to bridging Internet and
> telephony network, right?

Yes.

> Do you have such open source solutions?

A service is not "open source" per se, though there are certainly many
VOIP to POTS bridging providers who use standard protocols. I use
diamondcard (for the very little I have need for such a thing), mostly
because Ekiga offered it by default (though I've since changed to
Twinklephone - the wonders of standard protocols!)

You can presumably use Asterisk to set up such a service, if that's what
you're asking - it's rather unclear.

> I think the company need to pay money to telephony service operator.
> Who will pay it?

Umm, the users?

You seem to be rather confused about open source, open protocols and
services that can be accessed using the above, to be frank. These are
three different things, though go well together.

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Re: Openmoko Webshop Reopen NOW!!!

[christopher bradski]

The freerunner uses 850, something, and 1900. It should work fine for you. 
Sorry for short message, I'm at work...
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 10:45:40 
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Subject: Re: Openmoko Webshop Reopen NOW!!!


Harry wrote:
> Dear All,
> Sorry for delay long time!!!
> So far, only GSM850 Freerunner is available in stock, Debug board and 
> spare also!!!
>
> http://www.openmoko.com/store.html
>
> Freerunner is running
>
> Thanks and BR
>
>
>
> Harry
>
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I really want to get one so badly but I'm afraid of getting the wrong 
GSM frequency.  I live in Oregon, USA and use T-Mobile.  Can anyone 
advise?  I looked at the website suggested in the store and it says 
T-Mobile uses GSM 1900.  Does that mean I can't use any FreeRunner?
Thanks,
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Re: Openmoko Webshop Reopen NOW!!!

[Matthew Lane]

Brad Pitcher wrote:
> Harry wrote:
>   
>> Dear All,
>> Sorry for delay long time!!!
>> So far, only GSM850 Freerunner is available in stock, Debug board and 
>> spare also!!!
>>
>> http://www.openmoko.com/store.html
>>
>> Freerunner is running
>>
>> Thanks and BR
>>
>>
>>
>> Harry
>>
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>> 
>
> I really want to get one so badly but I'm afraid of getting the wrong 
> GSM frequency.  I live in Oregon, USA and use T-Mobile.  Can anyone 
> advise?  I looked at the website suggested in the store and it says 
> T-Mobile uses GSM 1900.  Does that mean I can't use any FreeRunner?
> Thanks,
> Brad
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Brad,

The FR is a tri-band GSM phone which means it works on all 850/1800/1900 
frequency networks.  To my knowledge US carriers don't use the 900 mhz 
band, so the 850mhz model FR (which also includes 1800 and 1900 mhz) 
will work with any US carrier.

Matt

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Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem

[Dave O'Connor]

On Thu, 3 Jul 2008, Forrest Sheng Bao wrote:

> Well, I happen to have a bunch of friends which are not tech geeks, as well
> as my family members. They can follow instructions to use Skype without
> bothering me. Plus, I am using SkypeIn/SkypeOut plan. I don't have a cell
> phone. So I hope I can continue using it on my new handset. Probably I will
> wait for a while to purchase later version of Neo when I have time to hack
> it. Currently, to save time, I will choose N810, which has everything I need
> out of the box.
>
> PS: If you wanna call a traditional telephone from a VoIP client, there must
> be a company providing the service to bridging Internet and telephony
> network, right? Do you have such open source solutions? I think the company
> need to pay money to telephony service operator. Who will pay it?

diamondcard.us works with ekiga on my desktop, and on my n800 it's basic 
sip with call out functionality. I haven't shopped around though and have 
only used it once via ekiga on my desktop but it worked perfectly.


> Cheers,
> Forrest
>
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 1:21 AM, Knight Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Most people don't want to run Skype, they just happen to run it because
>> everyone they talk to through it uses it. They don't really care other
>> than it makes calls cheap/free. Maybe they use Skype-in/out but from
>> what I've seen, most don't. Personally, I prefer a "normal" VoIP (SIP)
>> client, but I don't have a big group of Skype-using friends.
>>
>>
>> -KW
>>
> -- 
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> M.Sc. student, Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering
> Rm 115, Experimental Sciences Building
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> http://narnia.cs.ttu.edu
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>
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Re: Openmoko Webshop Reopen NOW!!!

[christopher bradski]

The gateway error basically means your card was denied and your bank may have 
red flagged the transaction. Just a call to your bank to authorize the 
transaction and you'll be one step closer to your freerunner. :)
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Lon Lentz wrote:
>   Can someone look at your CC processing site? And let us/me know when
> it's working again?

Sorry about these errors. It's 1:30 AM here in Taiwan so we can't call 
our bank. But somebody will be on it first thing tomorrow morning.

   -Sean




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Let's create a high-functionality, high-stability FSO/ASU based release

[Bobby Martin]

See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release to sign up to
help out, or to get the images once we have something.

**Overview**

The Stable Hybrid Release (SHR) is intended to be a combination of the
FSO, some of the 2007.2 GTK software, and the ASU that provides all of
the functionality of the 2007.2 software, but with the stability of
the FSO and the new GUI toolkits provided by the ASU. It will probably
be based on an ASU build, with the FSO software and GTK end-user apps
added.

(We're not married to the idea of using the GTK apps, but they already
exist and are more-or-less debugged at least on the UI side. If
someone knows of a more stable and/or usable app that's appropriate
for the OM, let us know by dropping a comment on the Talk tab of this
page.)


**First steps**

The first pass at making the GTK software use the FSO will involve
just creating a gsmd workalike that sends commands to the ophoned dbus
api from FSO. mickeyterm is an example of another program that lets
you send GSM commands through ophoned.

We want to have a build that is stable, so we'll need some standard
way of identifying the latest stable pieces of all the different
software in the SHR, as well as a way to identify previous released
versions of the SHR.

(See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release to read more.)

Thanks,
Bobby

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Re: Openmoko Webshop Reopen NOW!!!

[Jeffrey Malone]

The phone is a tri-band phone using the 1900 and 1800 bands.  The third band
is either 900 or 850.  T-Mobile doesn't use either 900 or 850 in the US --
however, other US GSM providers do use 850.
In certain locations, T-Mobile allows roaming onto these 850 networks, so it
can increase your coverage.  Refer to T-Mobile's signal checker on their
website, which will identify 850 roaming zones with a different colour.
850 is also advantageous in so much that even if you cannot roam onto it,
you can still use it to make 911 calls during an emergency.

The 850 band will however reduce your international roaming capabilities,
but 1800 is still generally available in most western countries.

So yes, either the 900 or 850 will work fine on  T-Mobile US, but the 850 is
preferred for those in the US.

Jeffrey Malone

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Brad Pitcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Harry wrote:
> > Dear All,
> > Sorry for delay long time!!!
> > So far, only GSM850 Freerunner is available in stock, Debug board and
> > spare also!!!
> >
> > http://www.openmoko.com/store.html
> >
> > Freerunner is running
> >
> > Thanks and BR
> >
> >
> >
> > Harry
> >
> >
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> I really want to get one so badly but I'm afraid of getting the wrong
> GSM frequency.  I live in Oregon, USA and use T-Mobile.  Can anyone
> advise?  I looked at the website suggested in the store and it says
> T-Mobile uses GSM 1900.  Does that mean I can't use any FreeRunner?
> Thanks,
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Re: Openmoko Webshop Reopen NOW!!!

[ian douglas]

The 850 model is 850/1800/1900 and works fine on TMobile (I've been
using a freerunner for a few months now during testing)


Brad Pitcher wrote:
> Harry wrote:
>> Dear All,
>> Sorry for delay long time!!!
>> So far, only GSM850 Freerunner is available in stock, Debug board and 
>> spare also!!!
>>
>> http://www.openmoko.com/store.html
>>
>> Freerunner is running
>>
>> Thanks and BR
>>
>>
>>
>> Harry
>>
>>
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> 
> I really want to get one so badly but I'm afraid of getting the wrong 
> GSM frequency.  I live in Oregon, USA and use T-Mobile.  Can anyone 
> advise?  I looked at the website suggested in the store and it says 
> T-Mobile uses GSM 1900.  Does that mean I can't use any FreeRunner?
> Thanks,
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Re: Error while paying

[Michael T. Dean]

On 07/03/2008 11:52 AM, Ken Young wrote:
> Peter Naulls wrote:
>> Me too, but I called up Chase, and they took off the block on
>> international purchases.   So that is the 10 pack for
>> San Diego group buy - still need 2-3 more people for it, I
>> don't want to end up with 4 phones ;-)
>> 
> Citibank did this too.   So "Gateway Error 500" is Hi Trust's way
> of saying "Credit Card Declined".   I called Citibank, got them to
> lift the block, and the transaction went through smoothly after
> that.

I think 500 is probably a generic HTTP 500 (Internal Server Error), as 
I'm getting a "Gateway Error 500" ("Error from the Hi Trust gateway: 
TrustLink Server is closed. Or Merchant Server IP is not consistent with 
TrustLink Server setting.") before I even get a chance to enter my 
credit card info--i.e. when it says, "Forwarding you to Hi_Trust..."

Though--assuming I can get to the Hi Trust server eventually--I'll keep 
an eye out for a 500 indicated the credit card was rejected, too.  :)

Mike

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Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem

[Forrest Sheng Bao]

Well, I happen to have a bunch of friends which are not tech geeks, as well
as my family members. They can follow instructions to use Skype without
bothering me. Plus, I am using SkypeIn/SkypeOut plan. I don't have a cell
phone. So I hope I can continue using it on my new handset. Probably I will
wait for a while to purchase later version of Neo when I have time to hack
it. Currently, to save time, I will choose N810, which has everything I need
out of the box.

PS: If you wanna call a traditional telephone from a VoIP client, there must
be a company providing the service to bridging Internet and telephony
network, right? Do you have such open source solutions? I think the company
need to pay money to telephony service operator. Who will pay it?

Cheers,
Forrest

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 1:21 AM, Knight Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
> Most people don't want to run Skype, they just happen to run it because
> everyone they talk to through it uses it. They don't really care other
> than it makes calls cheap/free. Maybe they use Skype-in/out but from
> what I've seen, most don't. Personally, I prefer a "normal" VoIP (SIP)
> client, but I don't have a big group of Skype-using friends.
>
>
> -KW
>
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Ph.D. student, Dept. of Computer Science
M.Sc. student, Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering
Rm 115, Experimental Sciences Building
Texas Tech University, Lubbock, Texas, USA
http://narnia.cs.ttu.edu
1-806-577-4592

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Re: Openmoko Webshop Reopen NOW!!!

[Brad Pitcher]

Harry wrote:
> Dear All,
> Sorry for delay long time!!!
> So far, only GSM850 Freerunner is available in stock, Debug board and 
> spare also!!!
>
> http://www.openmoko.com/store.html
>
> Freerunner is running
>
> Thanks and BR
>
>
>
> Harry
>
>
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>   

I really want to get one so badly but I'm afraid of getting the wrong 
GSM frequency.  I live in Oregon, USA and use T-Mobile.  Can anyone 
advise?  I looked at the website suggested in the store and it says 
T-Mobile uses GSM 1900.  Does that mean I can't use any FreeRunner?
Thanks,
Brad

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Re: Openmoko Webshop Reopen NOW!!!

[Sean Moss-Pultz]

Lon Lentz wrote:
>   Can someone look at your CC processing site? And let us/me know when
> it's working again?

Sorry about these errors. It's 1:30 AM here in Taiwan so we can't call 
our bank. But somebody will be on it first thing tomorrow morning.

   -Sean




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Re: Error while paying

[Russell Sears]

My bank just called to see if the charge was valid.  I asked why it was 
flagged.  They said that it's because it's an overseas internet/phone 
charge.

Perhaps OM should make it look like the money is going to California, or 
tell Visa that they have a physical presence in the US or something...

-Rusty

Ken Young wrote:
> Peter Naulls wrote:
> 
>> Me too, but I called up Chase, and they took off the block on
>> international purchases.   So that is the 10 pack for
>> San Diego group buy - still need 2-3 more people for it, I
>> don't want to end up with 4 phones ;-)
> 
> Citibank did this too.   So "Gateway Error 500" is Hi Trust's way
> of saying "Credit Card Declined".   I called Citibank, got them to
> lift the block, and the transaction went through smoothly after
> that.
> 
> Ken Young
> 
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Re: Dallas/Austin Group Purchase

[Stephen Shelton]

On Thu, Jul 03, 2008 at 07:58:33AM -0700, Josh Valdez wrote:
> Just wondering if there is any more interest in the Dallas area for a group 
> purchase. So far there are only three people. Also, we might be able to work 
> something out with the Austin purchase as they almost have 20. To anyone in 
> Austin, have you ordered yet?

You'll want to talk to Dale; he's coordinating the austin group sales. His info 
is on the group sales wiki. I spoke with him this morning, though, and I don't 
think there's quite enough for another full group.
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The next shipment

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Hey.
I see on the moko store that teh 900GSM is sold out.
When are it going to be refilled?

Alexander Frøyseth

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Re: More HW from OpenMoko

[Clinton Ebadi]

Jay Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> openmoko hardware?  make a synthesizer platform.  yes please, i'll  
> take 2,000, thanks.

Get a USB midisport or similar device and hook it up the freerunner's
usb host port. Add Jack and some synths and you're good to go :-).

The question now is how many synths use fixed point math and what
their load is like. I recall many years ago doing some stuff on my
166Mhz pentium so it might work. Now if only Jack used fixed point
math instead of representing samples as 32-bit floats (granted there
are quality issues with switching to a fixed point representation when
mixing a lot of audio sources, but a slight degradation would be
acceptable and probably not noticable for performance work).

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Group Sale Vancouver, BC

[Ben Cadieux]

Hi Everyone,

We've got a group sale with 4 spots left for Vancouver, BC.  If anyone
would like to join, please send me an e-mail and sign up on the
GroupSales wiki.

Best Regards,
Ben Cadieux

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Error while paying

[Ken Young]

Peter Naulls wrote:

> Me too, but I called up Chase, and they took off the block on
> international purchases.   So that is the 10 pack for
> San Diego group buy - still need 2-3 more people for it, I
> don't want to end up with 4 phones ;-)

Citibank did this too.   So "Gateway Error 500" is Hi Trust's way
of saying "Credit Card Declined".   I called Citibank, got them to
lift the block, and the transaction went through smoothly after
that.

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Re: Error while paying

[Peter Naulls]

Federico Lorenzi wrote:
> Hi, I get a gateway error from hitrust when attempting to pay, anyone
> know what the problem is?
> 

Me too, but I called up Chase, and they took off the block on
international purchases.   So that is the 10 pack for
San Diego group buy - still need 2-3 more people for it, I
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AW: Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

I`ve order #81 and reveived right now the message from trisoft;


-
Der folgende Auftrag wurde heute per UPS mit der Paketnummer xxx 
versendet:
Verfolgen Sie den Status Ihrer Sendung online : http://www.trisoft.de/ups.htm
Achtung: Die Paketinformationen stehen erst am Folgetag morgens zur Verfügung.

Unsere Auftragsnummer :x

TRIsoft-Package-Video verfügbar !
Wie Ihre Sendung gepackt wurde, können Sie sich hier ansehen:
Link : http://www.trisoft.de/videos/x.avi

Kundennummer : xxx
Ihre Bestellung : Preorder #81 vom 04.04.08

Code Text Menge Nettosumme
FreeRunner Openmoko FreeRunner Linuxphone 2 588.24
inkl. Tasche + Headset
S/N x
Ursprungsland: China. Ware ist nicht präferenzberechtigt. TARIC 8517 1200 90
OM Debugboard Openmoko Debugboard V3 1 75.63
Ursprungsland: China. Ware ist nicht präferenzberechtigt. TARIC 8473 3010 90
Versand UPS Schweiz 35.00
Endsumme inkl. MwSt. : 698.87

Zahlung per : Kreditkarte

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So, now I`m sooo happy :-) And really glad, that I had subscribed by 
trisoft and not pulster...else I have to 
wait till end of july...


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Uhh. I have 138. I'll be patient :)


Michael

Am Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2008 16:13:05 schrieb Tim:
> We hat Trisoft order 28 and 33. Both arrived on 2nd of july.
>
> -tim
>
> Michael Kluge schrieb:
> > What order number did you have? Their website still says they are doing
> > testing and will ship the devices later.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > Am Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2008 03:23:21 schrieb Tim:
> >> my packet from trisoft arrived 2nd of july at 9:30 a.m. \o/
> >> got wifi/gps/mp3 working so far...
> >>
> >> "Hi all, my name is Tim and I'm addicted to Neo Freerunner"
> >>
> >> Marcel schrieb:
> >>> Short translation: "Your packet has begun its trip today!"
> >>>
> >>> Christoph sent my Freerunner without even knowing for sure that he's
> >>> getting the payment (but I told him that the bank transfer has been
> >>> initiated [which is true]) - he suggested praising him on the ml and
> >>> this is just what I want to do: Christoph, you're simply great! :)
> >>>
> >>> -Marcel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>>-
> >>>
> >>> Betreff:
> >>> Re: Bestellung openmoko
> >>> Von:
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christoph Pulster)
> >>> Datum:
> >>> 02 Jul 2008 14:46:00 +0200
> >>> An:
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>
> >>> An:
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hallo,
> >>>
> >>> Gute Neuigkeiten zu ihrer Bestellung bei www.Pulster.de:
> >>> Ihr Pakerl ist seit heute unterwegs !
> >>> (ohne aufs Geld zu warten, kannst uns ja ein bisschen in der ML loben
> >>> :) )
> >>>
> >>> Wir bedanken uns fuer den Auftrag und wuenschen viel Freude.
> >>> Wenn sich Fragen zu ihrer Bestellung ergeben, stehe ich Ihnen gerne
> >>> direkt per Email zur Verfuegung. Oder rufen Sie uns auf unserer
> >>> Hotline an: 01805-785 783  (Di&Do 10-14 Uhr).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Schoene Gruesse aus Leimen,
> >>> Christoph Pulster
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _
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Re: 21h of battery live with FSO on GTA01

[thomasg]

I still wonder what's so new about this?
Standby had some bugs (especially when waking up after doing suspend without
reboot multiple times), but I'm sure that even in 2007 my GTA01 did over 20h
in standby (only).

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 12:40 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Am Donnerstag 03 Juli 2008 00:31:21 schrieb Tim Knapp:
> > On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 00:19 +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> > > Thanks for the experiment, Marc!
> > >
> > > Most of the honor is due our kernel wizards extraordinaire, of course.
> > >
> > > With the recently posted NO_IDLE_HZ support and (perhaps) some of the
> > > cpufreq patches, I'd expect even more.
> >
> > Does this mean we can expect similar battery life gains from the 'other'
> > images?
>
> For now, yes, I would expect so, since we are not doing any special things
> in
> the FSO-image -- yet :)
>
> (After the next couple of feature-release milestones, we're going to take
> going to strip init down to only run services that are actually in use,
> which
> should also have a nice impact on battery live).
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Re: audio/video support

[Al Johnson]

On Thursday 03 July 2008, Giorgio M. wrote:
> Does the Freerunner has an audio/video player integrated?
>
> which kind of audio and video files are supported?

The answer probably depends on what you mean by 'integrated' ;-)

There is a player in the GTK image that uses gstreamer and has a huge list of 
gstreamer plugins. The UI is somewhat limited at the moment, and last time I 
tried to play an MP3 it failed with a gstreamer error. That may be a result 
of using a daily snapshot rather than a release version though.

mplayer is also known to run, and there is a patched version to support 
hardware accelerated h264 playback.

Both of these _should_ support playback of more or less any format with an 
open codec implementation, but I'm not aware of any testing to show whether 
they all work. Due to the limited CPU power video files will have to be 
fairly low resolution to get a decent frame rate. QVGA should do the trick, 
but search the archive for rasterman's comments on the glamo limitations.


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Dallas/Austin Group Purchase

[Josh Valdez]

Just wondering if there is any more interest in the Dallas area for a group 
purchase. So far there are only three people. Also, we might be able to work 
something out with the Austin purchase as they almost have 20. To anyone in 
Austin, have you ordered yet?



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Re: FreeRunner - import Contacts

[Torfinn Ingolfsen]

Hi,

Thanks for the instructions. I'll see what I can Google up.

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Dennis Wollersheim
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> - From my hazy memory doing this with the Neo, there are 2 options, depending
> on what image you are using.  If you are using the qtopia image, I think
> you need to get the contacts into qtopia image somehow.  I think the
> shipping image uses evolution format;  just get your contacts into
> evolution on the desktop, then scp the evolution databases across to your

Ok, I'm not using Evolution on my desktop, but I'll see what I can find out.

If anyone else knows the specific format used, feel free to inform me
and others. :-)
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[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hi Tim
Do you have a message received from trisoft that they have shipped your 
freerunner, before 2nd july
or was it a beautiful surprise?

Ursprüngliche Nachricht
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Betreff: Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko

We hat Trisoft order 28 and 33. Both arrived on 2nd of july.

-tim

Michael Kluge schrieb:
> What order number did you have? Their website still says they are doing 
> testing and will ship the devices later.
>
> Michael
>
> Am Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2008 03:23:21 schrieb Tim:
>   
>> my packet from trisoft arrived 2nd of july at 9:30 a.m. \o/
>> got wifi/gps/mp3 working so far...
>>
>> "Hi all, my name is Tim and I'm addicted to Neo Freerunner"
>>
>> Marcel schrieb:
>> 
>>> Short translation: "Your packet has begun its trip today!"
>>>
>>> Christoph sent my Freerunner without even knowing for sure that he's
>>> getting the payment (but I told him that the bank transfer has been
>>> initiated [which is true]) - he suggested praising him on the ml and this
>>> is just what I want to do: Christoph, you're simply great! :)
>>>
>>> -Marcel
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Betreff:
>>> Re: Bestellung openmoko
>>> Von:
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christoph Pulster)
>>> Datum:
>>> 02 Jul 2008 14:46:00 +0200
>>> An:
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>> An:
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>>
>>> Hallo,
>>>
>>> Gute Neuigkeiten zu ihrer Bestellung bei www.Pulster.de:
>>> Ihr Pakerl ist seit heute unterwegs !
>>> (ohne aufs Geld zu warten, kannst uns ja ein bisschen in der ML loben :)
>>> )
>>>
>>> Wir bedanken uns fuer den Auftrag und wuenschen viel Freude.
>>> Wenn sich Fragen zu ihrer Bestellung ergeben, stehe ich Ihnen gerne
>>> direkt per Email zur Verfuegung. Oder rufen Sie uns auf unserer
>>> Hotline an: 01805-785 783  (Di&Do 10-14 Uhr).
>>>
>>>
>>> Schoene Gruesse aus Leimen,
>>> Christoph Pulster
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko

[Michael Kluge]

Uhh. I have 138. I'll be patient :)


Michael

Am Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2008 16:13:05 schrieb Tim:
> We hat Trisoft order 28 and 33. Both arrived on 2nd of july.
>
> -tim
>
> Michael Kluge schrieb:
> > What order number did you have? Their website still says they are doing
> > testing and will ship the devices later.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > Am Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2008 03:23:21 schrieb Tim:
> >> my packet from trisoft arrived 2nd of july at 9:30 a.m. \o/
> >> got wifi/gps/mp3 working so far...
> >>
> >> "Hi all, my name is Tim and I'm addicted to Neo Freerunner"
> >>
> >> Marcel schrieb:
> >>> Short translation: "Your packet has begun its trip today!"
> >>>
> >>> Christoph sent my Freerunner without even knowing for sure that he's
> >>> getting the payment (but I told him that the bank transfer has been
> >>> initiated [which is true]) - he suggested praising him on the ml and
> >>> this is just what I want to do: Christoph, you're simply great! :)
> >>>
> >>> -Marcel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>>-
> >>>
> >>> Betreff:
> >>> Re: Bestellung openmoko
> >>> Von:
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christoph Pulster)
> >>> Datum:
> >>> 02 Jul 2008 14:46:00 +0200
> >>> An:
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>
> >>> An:
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hallo,
> >>>
> >>> Gute Neuigkeiten zu ihrer Bestellung bei www.Pulster.de:
> >>> Ihr Pakerl ist seit heute unterwegs !
> >>> (ohne aufs Geld zu warten, kannst uns ja ein bisschen in der ML loben
> >>> :) )
> >>>
> >>> Wir bedanken uns fuer den Auftrag und wuenschen viel Freude.
> >>> Wenn sich Fragen zu ihrer Bestellung ergeben, stehe ich Ihnen gerne
> >>> direkt per Email zur Verfuegung. Oder rufen Sie uns auf unserer
> >>> Hotline an: 01805-785 783  (Di&Do 10-14 Uhr).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Schoene Gruesse aus Leimen,
> >>> Christoph Pulster
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _
> >>>  P|U|L|S|T|E|R - Organiser Shop - Openmoko & Psion
> >>>  Banaterweg 5, 69181 Leimen, Germany
> >>>  Tel   01805 - 785 783
> >>>  Mail  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>  Fax   01803 - 551 809 858
> >>>  Web   www.Pulster.de
> >>> _
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audio/video support

[Giorgio M.]

Does the Freerunner has an audio/video player integrated? 

which kind of audio and video files are supported?

thanks


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Re: Openmoko Webshop Reopen NOW!!!

[Lon Lentz]

 I didn't have any problems buying the Neo. But for some reason, the
current merchant/location got flagged by my bank.


On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Russell Sears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It just worked for me.   :)
>
> Good luck!
>
> -Rusty
>
> Lon Lentz wrote:
>>   Can someone look at your CC processing site? And let us/me know when
>> it's working again?
>>
>>
>>
>> Gateway Error
>>
>> Error from the Hi Trust gateway:
>>
>> Back to openmoko | previous page
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 5:31 AM, Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Dear All,
>>> Sorry for delay long time!!!
>>> So far, only GSM850 Freerunner is available in stock, Debug board and
>>> spare also!!!
>>>
>>> http://www.openmoko.com/store.html
>>>
>>> Freerunner is running
>>>
>>> Thanks and BR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Harry
>>>
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Re: Openmoko Webshop Reopen NOW!!!

[Russell Sears]

It just worked for me.   :)

Good luck!

-Rusty

Lon Lentz wrote:
>   Can someone look at your CC processing site? And let us/me know when
> it's working again?
> 
> 
> 
> Gateway Error
> 
> Error from the Hi Trust gateway:
> 
> Back to openmoko | previous page
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 5:31 AM, Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Dear All,
>> Sorry for delay long time!!!
>> So far, only GSM850 Freerunner is available in stock, Debug board and
>> spare also!!!
>>
>> http://www.openmoko.com/store.html
>>
>> Freerunner is running
>>
>> Thanks and BR
>>
>>
>>
>> Harry
>>
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Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko

[Tim]

We hat Trisoft order 28 and 33. Both arrived on 2nd of july.

-tim

Michael Kluge schrieb:
> What order number did you have? Their website still says they are doing 
> testing and will ship the devices later.
>
> Michael
>
> Am Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2008 03:23:21 schrieb Tim:
>   
>> my packet from trisoft arrived 2nd of july at 9:30 a.m. \o/
>> got wifi/gps/mp3 working so far...
>>
>> "Hi all, my name is Tim and I'm addicted to Neo Freerunner"
>>
>> Marcel schrieb:
>> 
>>> Short translation: "Your packet has begun its trip today!"
>>>
>>> Christoph sent my Freerunner without even knowing for sure that he's
>>> getting the payment (but I told him that the bank transfer has been
>>> initiated [which is true]) - he suggested praising him on the ml and this
>>> is just what I want to do: Christoph, you're simply great! :)
>>>
>>> -Marcel
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Betreff:
>>> Re: Bestellung openmoko
>>> Von:
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christoph Pulster)
>>> Datum:
>>> 02 Jul 2008 14:46:00 +0200
>>> An:
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>> An:
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>>
>>> Hallo,
>>>
>>> Gute Neuigkeiten zu ihrer Bestellung bei www.Pulster.de:
>>> Ihr Pakerl ist seit heute unterwegs !
>>> (ohne aufs Geld zu warten, kannst uns ja ein bisschen in der ML loben :)
>>> )
>>>
>>> Wir bedanken uns fuer den Auftrag und wuenschen viel Freude.
>>> Wenn sich Fragen zu ihrer Bestellung ergeben, stehe ich Ihnen gerne
>>> direkt per Email zur Verfuegung. Oder rufen Sie uns auf unserer
>>> Hotline an: 01805-785 783  (Di&Do 10-14 Uhr).
>>>
>>>
>>> Schoene Gruesse aus Leimen,
>>> Christoph Pulster
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _
>>>  P|U|L|S|T|E|R - Organiser Shop - Openmoko & Psion
>>>  Banaterweg 5, 69181 Leimen, Germany
>>>  Tel   01805 - 785 783
>>>  Mail  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>  Fax   01803 - 551 809 858
>>>  Web   www.Pulster.de
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>>>
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