ANNOUNCE: Software equalizer for openmoko
I've modified gst-plugin-equalizer to use fixed-point arithmetic. This means that it's (barely) fast enough to provide bass, midrange and treble control for ogg files played back via alsa. Here's a link to binaries (compiled for the factory image) and the patch: http://hedora.ath.cx/moko/ It's not hooked into mediaplayer yet, so for now it's only useful for demos/testing. Any ideas regarding adding a graphic equalizer GUI to mediaplayer? -Rusty ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Andy Green wrote: | |> Jeffrey, if you are interested about what the battery experiences, there |> are a bunch of goodies from the Coulomb Counter in the battery |> accessible down /sys/class/power_supply/bat, just cat them. These tell |> you the battery's view of what is going on directly. |> |> # cat /sys/class/power_supply/bat/current_now |> |> is particularly interesting, this is the flow of current out of (+ve) or |> into (-ve) the battery in uA. These values come fresh from the Coulomb |> Counter each time, but that device itself updates its registers only |> every few seconds. | | Is there a Wiki page or docs that explain what each register is and the units it refers to? | especially in the .../power_supply/bat/... area which seems to have very pertinent information. I think I will start one. There's some real gold down the /sys mine if you are interested in meddling. | Do the values appearing in the /sys/classes/... files differ anyway from what the hardware provides | or is it tweaked by the kernel? Some of the coulomb counter data is actually directly provided in very funny units relative to a sense resistor outside the chip (20mR in our case), the driver does the recommended computation and normalizes them to uV and uA as required by power_supply APIs. And temp in 0.25 Kelvin steps --> Celcius in 0.1 steps. But this is basically scaling up operation and you see otherwise unmassaged data. The datasheet is open http://www.ti.com/lit/gpn/bq27000 as is the driver of course http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=blob;f=drivers/power/bq27000_battery.c;h=7020608e6e901f3e9b46fea911dfd41ed31f7877;hb=stable and you can see there are even more registers in there that don't map on to power_supply stuff. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiG2s4ACgkQOjLpvpq7dMphVgCeOwkYBBy5k//zcBT1+Agnt3rF YR8An1lrd2hoVij/6J106T/UnDARqbk2 =Kjb1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new list for wiki (and other documentation) maintainers, and anyone interested in helping them
Michael, Can you alter the mailing list so the list's address is set as the default Reply-To value like the community list? Simply hitting Reply (instead of Reply-to-All) seems to send replies to the authors of the posts. Might as well keep things uniform in that regard. Thanks, Ian Michael Shiloh wrote: > Hi, > > A number of community members have volunteered to put time into our > wiki. There followed some discussion about how best to proceed, and > quickly a suggestion was made to create a separate list to allow this > coordination to take place without bothering those uninterested. > > After a number of suggestions, we agreed to name the new mailing list > simply "wiki". > > In spite of this, I decided to take a different approach and named the > new mailing list "documentation". > > The reason is simple: All documentation needs to be coordinated: wiki, > web pages, printed, etc. There is rarely a reason to duplicate what is > already available, and by focusing on what is documented nowhere we make > good use of our time. Also, it is common for one form of documentation > to refer to another, and changes should be synchronized. Finally, a > consistent theme be very nice. > > From a practical point of view, 95% of our current documentation is in > fact just the wiki, so I don't think it will make much of a difference > anyway. We don't need to worry about wiki maintainers being drowned out > by our other documentors. > > And finally, if this really is a problem we can change it. > > SO: > > If you volunteered to be a wiki maintainer, please visit > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/documentation and sign up > for the new list. > > If you are interested in following the discussion, or have suggestions > or other helpful comments please join as well. This list is not > restricted to those doing the work. > > Please note that the list is primarily intended to help the wiki > maintainers and other documentation organizers coordinate amongst > themselves in order to improve our documentation. We intend for a high > signal-to-noise ratio, and threads not deemed sufficiently useful will > be requested to move elsewhere. > > Please show your appreciation to the wiki maintainers by using the list > for its intended purpose. > > I am on the list, and I welcome your feedback and comments on the list > if your comments move us towards the goal of improving our > documentation, or privately otherwise. > > Sincerely, > Michael > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GPRS working with SIMYO
Hi all, Woo-hoo -- I managed to get an GPRS connection: Jul 23 09:16:59 om-gta02 local2.info chat[9536]: expect (CONNECT) Jul 23 09:16:59 om-gta02 local2.info chat[9536]: ^M Jul 23 09:17:05 om-gta02 local2.info chat[9536]: ATDT*99***1#^M^M Jul 23 09:17:05 om-gta02 local2.info chat[9536]: CONNECT Jul 23 09:17:05 om-gta02 local2.info chat[9536]: -- got it Jul 23 09:17:05 om-gta02 local2.info chat[9536]: send (^M) Jul 23 09:17:05 om-gta02 daemon.info pppd[9532]: Serial connection established. Jul 23 09:17:05 om-gta02 daemon.debug pppd[9532]: using channel 1 Jul 23 09:17:05 om-gta02 daemon.info pppd[9532]: Using interface ppp0 Jul 23 09:17:05 om-gta02 daemon.notice pppd[9532]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttySAC0 ... Jul 23 09:17:10 om-gta02 daemon.notice pppd[9532]: local IP address 10.161.143.42 Jul 23 09:17:10 om-gta02 daemon.notice pppd[9532]: remote IP address 10.64.64.64 Jul 23 09:17:10 om-gta02 daemon.notice pppd[9532]: primary DNS address 212.23.97.2 Jul 23 09:17:10 om-gta02 daemon.notice pppd[9532]: secondary DNS address 212.23.97.3 Jul 23 09:17:10 om-gta02 daemon.debug pppd[9532]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up started (pid 9555) Jul 23 09:17:10 om-gta02 daemon.debug pppd[9532]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up finished (pid 9555), status = 0x0 Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Calling all Australian OpenMoko Geeks! PLEASE READ!
We are trying to create an Oz OpenMoko community. All ozzy OpenMoko geeks please join to the "OpenMoko Oz Users list". See below! Hope to see you there. -aW - Forwarded message from Msquared <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:01:06 +0800 From: Msquared <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: OpenMoko Oz Users list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [oz-users] Welcome! Hello everyone! We now have 50 subscribers to this list, so I thought that would be a good point at which to welcome you all, and start a round of introductions (see next email). Welcome to oz-users! I'm hosting this list as part of my contribution to the OpenMoko/Neo project, and to the Australian OpenMoko/Neo users and interested parties. The list is primarily for discussion of OpenMoko and Neo related support issues in Australia; while the official OpenMoko website is the best place for access to information, sometimes we need a bit more - we need access to people close enough to have had similar experiences (eg: using the same mobile networks as one another), and sometimes close enough for physical access (eg: assistance with technical hardware problems and to un-brick phones). This list is also for discussion of other OpenMoko and Neo related issues and news, especially anything that is specific to Australia. I do ask that we try to stay on-topic as much as possible, but on the other hand I'm happy to keep things relatively informal and friendly, so I'm not going to complain when the occasional thread strays a little off-topic (as we have seen a couple do already!). Don't forget that there are many other OpenMoko/Neo resources available, especially the OpenMoko community mailing list, the OpenMoko wiki, and more. The OpenMoko community is an amazing, sharing, and forward-thinking group of people, and I'm proud to be (a small) part of it. I hope you all enjoy your stay! :o) Regards, Msquared... Posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ANNOUNCE: Software equalizer for openmoko
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | I've modified gst-plugin-equalizer to use fixed-point arithmetic. This | means that it's (barely) fast enough to provide bass, midrange and | treble control for ogg files played back via alsa. | | Here's a link to binaries (compiled for the factory image) and the patch: | | http://hedora.ath.cx/moko/ | | It's not hooked into mediaplayer yet, so for now it's only useful for | demos/testing. Any ideas regarding adding a graphic equalizer GUI to | mediaplayer? That's pretty cool and short patch. I always assumed that we need to lift the low end so much relative to high end to make a difference, that we would routinely clip even at medium volume levels. Is it actually OK? - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEUEARECAAYFAkiG370ACgkQOjLpvpq7dMpY+ACglcvOWgUgYMjF4Q+M4m4K82e/ t8IAmLgTJ4BPBI7Ff/+ZybTvtGKnIuE= =ukO7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why is Qtopia much faster?
2008/7/23 Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > But what does "closed" mean? It's been getting more and more open for > years now. Finally even QTopia is GPL... I think that's the last > piece isn't it? Is it because it already emerged fully-formed, and > was not depending on community help for its very existence, that you > think it's more closed? Actually, that's true. A code drop is not equal to successful open source project. Not mentioning qtopia exactly, but there are several examples of "open source" which are even under OSI-approved license that are nothing more than a source tarball - no community, no control outside one entity etc. It cannot be so hard to understand that not everyone wants to port everything into one toolkit. It doesn't matter which toolkit that is. Phones are becoming computers and do not need any less flexibility on what can be done with them. -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?
On Wednesday 23 July 2008, Ben wrote: > Is bluetooth working to the degree where a bluetooth headset can be > used instead? Don't know, don't have one. There are instructions in the wiki but people are reporting problems. The wired headset should work, but I haven't got one of those to test either. > While it isn't perfect, I have an Aliph JawBone headset and it works > reasonably well when there's no wind around. Also have a Sony Ericsson > HBH 300 but people always say I sound too quiet - maybe I could > amplify the volume on the FreeRunner in ways I can't on regular > phones? Possibly - the Mono mixer setting should control the level from the bluetooth into the GSM > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Al Johnson > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tuesday 22 July 2008, Scott Derrick wrote: > >> Come on! Blame the telcos for the Neo echo!! Thats stretching it. > > > > Take a breath. Reread what I said. I'm not blaming them, but they may be > > a factor in why people report widely differing levels of echo. > > > > > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Terminal for ASU
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:30 PM, Holger Freyther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 23 July 2008 05:56:41 Jacob Peterson wrote: > > Ken, I too feel your pain. I had just stated to get things setup, then I > > decided to update and to my surprise, all applications requiring a > keyboard > > are now useless. I ended up reverting back to the July 21st snapshot for > > now, but I will try editing the illume theme and rebuilding once I can > > locate the required tools to edit the themes. > > The theme files are "edje" files. There is edje_cc to compile them from edc > files and there is edje_decc to decompile them (can be compiled with > edje_cc > again). > > So get a illume.edj where raster forgot to remove the "QWERTY" button, get > the > next rev (fixing up that "oversight"), decompile both edj files, see the > difference, patch in the keyboard button. > > Ask someone in the community to provide illume-theme packages which are > up-to-date but have the qwertz button present? > > I hope this hint helps >z. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > I was able to easily reverse the theme changes and restore the "QWERTY" button (thanks Zecke and Raster =) ). However the keyboard seems to be in a non-functional state from what I can tell. It stopped automatically coming up after the update which removed the manual "QWERTY" button and my patched theme is unable to coax it into existence either. I will try to track down what I can tomorrow and file a bug report if necessary. -Jacob ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS working with SIMYO
2008/7/23 Michael Kluge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Woo-hoo -- I managed to get an GPRS connection: Could you share this wisdom?-) It seems that instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS do not work for many or on FreeRunner. I get an error after first AT+ command, were it AT+CFUN=1 or AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internet" -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS working with SIMYO
Sure. The magix seems to be to have an initial wait (for the 'AT bla ready' message) and to accept the ERROR after CFUN, no clue why, but it work. Here is my connect script: #!/bin/sh -e exec /usr/sbin/chat -v \ TIMEOUT 10 \ OK-AT-'' ''\ ABORT BUSY\ ABORT DELAYED\ ABORT "NO ANSWER"\ ABORT "NO DIALTONE"\ ABORT VOICE\ ABORT ERROR\ ABORT RINGING\ TIMEOUT 30 \ '' ATZ\ OK ATE1\ OK AT+CFUN=1\ ERROR AT+CPIN=\"\"\ << USE YOUR OWN OK AT+COPS\ OK AT+CGDCONT=1,\"IP\",\"internet.eplus.de\"\ OK 'ATDT*99***1#'\ CONNECT '' Michael Am Mittwoch, 23. Juli 2008 09:45:30 schrieb Timo Jyrinki: > 2008/7/23 Michael Kluge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Woo-hoo -- I managed to get an GPRS connection: > > Could you share this wisdom?-) It seems that instructions at > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS do not work for many > or on FreeRunner. > > I get an error after first AT+ command, were it AT+CFUN=1 or > AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internet" > > -Timo > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why is Qtopia much faster?
Timo Jyrinki wrote: > 2008/7/23 Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> But what does "closed" mean? It's been getting more and more open for >> years now. Finally even QTopia is GPL... I think that's the last >> piece isn't it? Is it because it already emerged fully-formed, and >> was not depending on community help for its very existence, that you >> think it's more closed? > > Actually, that's true. A code drop is not equal to successful open > source project. Not mentioning qtopia exactly, but there are several > examples of "open source" which are even under OSI-approved license > that are nothing more than a source tarball - no community, no control > outside one entity etc. It still is open source, even if the development is not so open. A lot of "open source" communities are not 'anyone has write access to the source repository'. You have to prove yourself first. I think most projects are like that. Heck I think openmoko wasn't developed in the open in the beginning. > > It cannot be so hard to understand that not everyone wants to port > everything into one toolkit. It doesn't matter which toolkit that is. > Phones are becoming computers and do not need any less flexibility on > what can be done with them. How does sticking to one toolkit mean less flexibility? You can write the same type of app in any language, its just a matter of how well your toolkit works for you. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: order from Pulster
Daniel Selinger wrote: > > Thanks Chris! > > I got my order confirmation yesterday, with payment information and the > 15.8 as delivery date, for the old price. > Took some time but i'm happy now and looking forward to my freerunner :) > > daniel > Your delivery date concerns me a bit. I ordered my freerunner the 1st of July (after you did) but it's still earlier than the 2nd of July. Christoph Pulster confirmed on this list that anyone who had already placed an order the 2nd of July was guaranteed to get a freerunner in the 25th of July batch. I can't find the link to his post but here's a message that quotes it: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/020297.html -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/order-from-pulster-tp574962p577942.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches
Thanks for that Andy, > There are some numbers here: > > http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=66a83c97c4545ce4f07e0d90998f906fae49caf2 > Could you tell me what exactly you are measuring, radiated power? and under what conditions. How was the noise floor measured. Thanks Simon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Thanks for that Andy, | |> There are some numbers here: |> |> http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=66a83c97c4545ce4f07e0d90998f906fae49caf2 |> | | Could you tell me what exactly you are measuring, radiated power? and | under what conditions. | | How was the noise floor measured. This information comes via apparently google-translated Chinese, what I believe was done is stick a probe on SD_CLK each time, noise floor there is when clock is not running, etc. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiG8ncACgkQOjLpvpq7dMpQJgCgiOYVg0SrS6YXVzKxb3+fhPN6 LvEAn3a82+sfmwc01U0u/oelVWKsgIgX =rYui -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why is Qtopia much faster?
2008/7/23 Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > It still is open source, even if the development is not so open. Yes, closed development project can be open source but it's not ideal. It requires more of blind faith that "this software is good", similar to using closed software. With an open development model, there is more active communication between core developers and eg. application developers, since everyone can be a bit of both. In this "code drop" type of open source project, everyone is just expected to use the software, not as much develop or even study it. > A lot of "open source" communities are not 'anyone has write access to > the source repository'. You have to prove yourself first. I think most > projects are like that. Heck I think openmoko wasn't developed in the > open in the beginning. Repository access is different from planning and designing together. > How does sticking to one toolkit mean less flexibility? You can write > the same type of app in any language, its just a matter of how well your > toolkit works for you. You should know this - there are tens of thousands existing open source GUI programs written for other toolkits, and I want to use some of them (that fit in low res) without programming, or at least without rewriting them from scratch if some adaption for small screen size is needed. I want to take random package source from eg. Debian, compile it for Neo and run it. So, I want all the usual libraries to be available / installable, including glib, GTK, Qt, GStreamer, dbus, wxwidgets, X.org etc. -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Official Openmoko Forums
On Wednesday 23 July 2008 10:37:00 ian douglas wrote: > Christopher Rawlings wrote: > > what is the chance of getting an official forum on > > openmoko.org? > > I don't know that having a third repository of information would help > what we're trying to do. Having another place for users to post the same > questions without searching archived data is only going to create more > confusion, in my opinion. Some guy of Openmoko published a link to a forum on openmoko.org that is connected to the mailing lists. So you can that if you feel more comfortable with a web application. However, I couldn't find the mail. It was something like nabble.openmoko.org?!? Sven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why is Qtopia much faster?
Lorn Potter wrote, On 23/07/08 09:23: > Timo Jyrinki wrote: > [snip] >> It cannot be so hard to understand that not everyone wants to port >> everything into one toolkit. It doesn't matter which toolkit that is. >> Phones are becoming computers and do not need any less flexibility on >> what can be done with them. >> > > How does sticking to one toolkit mean less flexibility? You can write > the same type of app in any language, its just a matter of how well your > toolkit works for you. > You are effectively advocating a single silo approach to development. i.e. Qtopia is the one-true development environment and everything else is subordinate to it. However, let's say you have some GTK developers who want to port their app to the OpenMoko. You're saying they should learn a completely new toolkit. The alternative view is to create a development platform that allows Qtopia, GTK, etc. and then anyone could build apps for it and users then get the choice of what apps they use. You're argument about the users getting a unified experience is a good one, but then the users can choose: even on the 'anything goes' platform, they could choose to just run the Qtopia applications - their freedom hasn't been limited in any way, and their options in the future are increased. Sometimes more diversity is a good thing. -- Alex. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Official Openmoko Forums
Sven Klomp wrote: > > Some guy of Openmoko published a link to a forum on openmoko.org that is > connected to the mailing lists. So you can that if you feel more > comfortable > with a web application. However, I couldn't find the mail. It was > something > like nabble.openmoko.org?!? > > Sven > http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html I'm using it right now to post this reply ;-) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Re%3A-Official-Openmoko-Forums-tp577995p578000.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS working with SIMYO
2008/7/23 Michael Kluge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Sure. The magix seems to be to have an initial wait (for the 'AT bla ready' > message) and to accept the ERROR after CFUN, no clue why, but it work. Here > is my connect script: Whee, it works! Indeed strange, but the important part was to get GPRS working. Thanks! -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FR - ASU image - keyboard with wrong characters
Hello,
First of all - I'm not really sure if this "report" belongs on the
support list or here. I'll try here first.
I have been running this image[1] on my FreeRunner for a while now. If
I have gotten my understanding right, this is the ASU image.
Anyway, today I did a 'opkg update' followed by a 'opkg upgrade'. The
upgrade went fine, and I rebooted my FR.
I now have:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# uname -a
Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jul 23 06:34:19 CEST 2008 armv4tl unknown
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/angstrom-version
Angstrom P1-Snapshot-20080722
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/om-version
Tag Name:
VERSION: 1d2ffa9abf4464c9ae0d31ee1ca697aaaeb7a81c
Branch: org.openmoko.dev
Build Host: buildhost.openmoko.org
Time Stamp: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 01:49:30 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/version
200807110147
I noticed something funny when the PIN code dialog for the SIM card
came up: not all keys on the keyboard produce the correct characters.
On the numbers "panel" of the keuboard (fr lack of a better word)*,
the key row 1 -0 produces these characters:123456{[]}
All other keys produces the correct character, as far as I can determine.
Does anybody know how to fix this?
BTW, I really, really miss a backspace key on this keyboard.
References:
1)
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080710/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080710-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
--
Regards,
Torfinn Ingolfsen
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Re: GPRS working with SIMYO
You might be able to alter my (or rather Marcus') example to work with your provider: http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/5 Joseph 2008/7/23 Timo Jyrinki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/7/23 Michael Kluge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Sure. The magix seems to be to have an initial wait (for the 'AT bla ready' >> message) and to accept the ERROR after CFUN, no clue why, but it work. Here >> is my connect script: > > Whee, it works! Indeed strange, but the important part was to get GPRS > working. Thanks! > > -Timo > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR - ASU image - keyboard with wrong characters
More info. On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyway, today I did a 'opkg update' followed by a 'opkg upgrade'. The > upgrade went fine, and I rebooted my FR. I repeated 'opkg update' and 'opkg upgrade' The upgrade part produced some errors, but I don't know if they are important or not: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg upgrade Upgrading e-wm on root from 0.16.999.042+cvs20080710-r10 to 0.16.999.042+cvs20080722-r10... Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/e-wm_0.16.999.042+cvs20080722-r10_armv4t.ipk Installing efreet (1:0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0) to root... Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/efreet_0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0_armv4t.ipk Upgrading illume on root from 0.0+svnr133-r6 to 0.0+svnr152-r6... Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/illume_0.0+svnr152-r6_armv4t.ipk Installing efreet (1:0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0) to root... Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/efreet_0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0_armv4t.ipk Upgrading libefreet-mime0 on root from 1:0.5.0.043+cvs20080710-r0 to 1:0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0... Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libefreet-mime0_0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0_armv4t.ipk Installing efreet (1:0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0) to root... Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/efreet_0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0_armv4t.ipk Collected errors: * Package efreet wants to install file /usr/lib/libefreet.so.0.5.0 But that file is already provided by package * libefreet0 * Package efreet wants to install file /usr/lib/libefreet.so.0 But that file is already provided by package * libefreet0 * Package efreet wants to install file /usr/lib/libefreet.so.0.5.0 But that file is already provided by package * libefreet0 * Package efreet wants to install file /usr/lib/libefreet.so.0 But that file is already provided by package * libefreet0 * Package efreet wants to install file /usr/lib/libefreet.so.0.5.0 But that file is already provided by package * libefreet0 * Package efreet wants to install file /usr/lib/libefreet.so.0 But that file is already provided by package * libefreet0 HTH -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR - ASU image - keyboard with wrong characters
> BTW, I really, really miss a backspace key on this keyboard. "Click" some key and drag to left - it should work as backspace key. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR - ASU image - keyboard with wrong characters
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:12:18PM +0200, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > More info. > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anyway, today I did a 'opkg update' followed by a 'opkg upgrade'. The > > upgrade went fine, and I rebooted my FR. > > I repeated 'opkg update' and 'opkg upgrade' The upgrade part produced > some errors, but I don't know if they are important or not: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg upgrade > Upgrading e-wm on root from 0.16.999.042+cvs20080710-r10 to > 0.16.999.042+cvs20080722-r10... > Downloading > http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/e-wm_0.16.999.042+cvs20080722-r10_armv4t.ipk > Installing efreet (1:0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0) to root... > Downloading > http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/efreet_0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0_armv4t.ipk > Upgrading illume on root from 0.0+svnr133-r6 to 0.0+svnr152-r6... > Downloading > http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/illume_0.0+svnr152-r6_armv4t.ipk > Installing efreet (1:0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0) to root... > Downloading > http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/efreet_0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0_armv4t.ipk > Upgrading libefreet-mime0 on root from 1:0.5.0.043+cvs20080710-r0 to > 1:0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0... > Downloading > http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libefreet-mime0_0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0_armv4t.ipk > Installing efreet (1:0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0) to root... > Downloading > http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/efreet_0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0_armv4t.ipk > Collected errors: > * Package efreet wants to install file /usr/lib/libefreet.so.0.5.0 > But that file is already provided by package * libefreet0 > * Package efreet wants to install file /usr/lib/libefreet.so.0 > But that file is already provided by package * libefreet0 > * Package efreet wants to install file /usr/lib/libefreet.so.0.5.0 > But that file is already provided by package * libefreet0 > * Package efreet wants to install file /usr/lib/libefreet.so.0 > But that file is already provided by package * libefreet0 > * Package efreet wants to install file /usr/lib/libefreet.so.0.5.0 > But that file is already provided by package * libefreet0 > * Package efreet wants to install file /usr/lib/libefreet.so.0 > But that file is already provided by package * libefreet0 You can work around this by running `opkg upgrade -force-overwrite'. This file seems to have moved from one package to another. The error above results in certain packages not to be installed (especially illume). Your problems probably result from some packages being a newer version now and some not. But besides this, for me the latestes ASU version has no keyboard at all. Already posted this on the support list. So as long as yours is still usable, I would not upgrade further until this is solved. Unless you want to increase the pool of testing data. ;) Ole pgpFqEiUawSIt.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why is Qtopia much faster?
Shawn Rutledge wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Tilman Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I might do qtopia more wrong than is fair. But they modelling just a >> regular smart phone like you can get from most vendors. >> With a very closed (but opensource) framework wich you can develop for. >> >> You can not port your garden variety x11 app to qtopia. Which you can >> (almost) do with the other frameworks. > But what does "closed" mean? Boundaries, limitations. > It's been getting more and more open for > years now. Finally even QTopia is GPL... I think that's the last > piece isn't it? I'm not talking about the license. Qtopia is propper opensource. (as i pointed out) Maybe not everyone's most famous flavour, but i don't care for that. > Is it because it already emerged fully-formed, and > was not depending on community help for its very existence, that you > think it's more closed? Closed means in this case. Most decisions already made, forced to use a certain set of languages, toolkits, technologies... And i don't say that is bad. Qtopia is a very nice complete and well designed and holistic bottom up system. A complete package. Take it, use it, be happy. But i prefer to go the top down approach because i think it will lead (at least for me) to better and funnier innovations and changes. Opensource thrives on diversification. > What does "garden variety" mean? I don't think there's any such thing > as a "garden variety X11 app" unless you are using xlib itself, which > very few people bother with. Or maybe you are thinking about older > toolkits like Motif and Athena Widgets? xlib is the most common denominator of all x11 apps. Sure, nobody uses it directly. But as easy as you can port a xlib based app could you port a xlib based toolkit. If you are not happy with what we already have on toolist, port it. (I know at least qt, gtk and efl to be available on openmoko already) > With QT, apps tend to be smaller because the toolkit is so complete, > that you have less code to write. You pay a cost in having a larger > library to load, but then all the apps benefit from it. So having a > simpler, more spartan toolkit can cut both ways. I'm not saying qt is bad. And you are (willingly) mixing up qt as a api and qt-embedded/qtopia as a framework. > But whatever, it's just Gnome/KDE all over again, I shouldn't expect a > logical argument I guess. Depends on what you meant. Gnome or KDE is a bullshit discussion. The answer is just BOTH. >> And of course the fact that it does not use x11, i expected you to >> know that. ;-) > > But the plan is that it will, right? No and yes. The original poster referred to the non x11 version. And that is where the performance boost comes from. > And then we will see, which is > really faster. Does not matter, i can't see a clear winner there. As soon as you throw away the non-x11 bonus for Qt it will come down to marginal differences. > It would be an option in either case to do some > optimization: kdrive could accelerate some graphics operations, and > QTopia-on-framebuffer could do the same. All else being equal, the > one with fewer layers ought to be faster. But kdrive is likely to get > more community attention, so maybe we will realistically see some > hardware acceleration eventually. Any optimisation on x11 would benefit all toolkits the same. >> It really depends, many people like the simple qtopia stack. But i did >> not buy my Neo to have a phone that does essentially what any better >> Motorola or Nokia could do too. > > Anyone can write new QT apps. It's even fun, and fairly rapid > development compared to typical C/C++. Agree, but i o also want to port code. >> It would look great on a motorla razr (or however these things are >> called today) >> But i did not find it to fit very well on the extremely large screen >> resolution and touchpad only input. > > The RAZR used a completely proprietary OS and toolkit. The high-end > touchscreen phones are exactly the ones that are mostly running QT or > Symbian, in the commercial world. Some motorolas are in fact using linux and if i'm not mistaken qtopia. But not as a open system. But i was not comparing technologies but user experiences. -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR - ASU image - keyboard with wrong characters
Hello, On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Johny Tenfinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> BTW, I really, really miss a backspace key on this keyboard. > > "Click" some key and drag to left - it should work as backspace key. On the keyboard? any key? I just can't seem to get that to work. I click down on a key on the keyboard (say "5") and drag left. When I release that key, the number 5 is added to the input field. I also tried to drag in other directions - didn't help. What am I doing wrong? -- Regards, Torfinn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
InvisibleShield discounts!
Hello there. I've ordered Full body protectors for Freerunner, and they gave me two discount (20%) codes. Here they are: 6lcdcr , jla5nt . Take them and use them wisely. (If you've used one, please write back to community there would be no discount code collision). Btw, The discount will expire in 30 days. Good luck! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR - ASU image - keyboard with wrong characters
Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
> I noticed something funny when the PIN code dialog for the SIM card
> came up: not all keys on the keyboard produce the correct characters.
> On the numbers "panel" of the keuboard (fr lack of a better word)*,
> the key row 1 -0 produces these characters:123456{[]}
> All other keys produces the correct character, as far as I can determine.
I believe this is a known bug: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1533
It occurs when the USB cable is plugged in, try removing the USB and
see if the keyboard starts working correctly.
Cheers,
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Re: FR - ASU image - keyboard with wrong characters
Hi, On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Ole Kliemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can work around this by running `opkg upgrade -force-overwrite'. Thanks, I'll try that. > But besides this, for me the latestes ASU version has no keyboard at > all. Already posted this on the support list. So as long as yours is > still usable, I would not upgrade further until this is solved. > > Unless you want to increase the pool of testing data. ;) Well, I'm all in for testing stuff here, so I'll just go ahead and upgrade: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg upgrade -force-overwrite Upgrading e-wm on root from 0.16.999.042+cvs20080710-r10 to 0.16.999.042+cvs20080722-r10... Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/e-wm_0.16.999.042+cvs20080722-r10_armv4t.ipk Installing efreet (1:0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0) to root... Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/efreet_0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0_armv4t.ipk Upgrading illume on root from 0.0+svnr133-r6 to 0.0+svnr152-r6... Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/illume_0.0+svnr152-r6_armv4t.ipk Upgrading libefreet-mime0 on root from 1:0.5.0.043+cvs20080710-r0 to 1:0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0... Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libefreet-mime0_0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0_armv4t.ipk Configuring e-wm update-alternatives: Linking //usr/bin/x-window-manager to /usr/bin/enlightenment_start.oe Configuring efreet Configuring illume Configuring libefreet-mime0 You were correct - no keyboard at all. Tested with the SIM PIN diaolg and the Contacts app. -- Regards, Torfinn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR - ASU image - keyboard with wrong characters
Hello, On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Michael Sheldon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I believe this is a known bug: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1533 > > It occurs when the USB cable is plugged in, try removing the USB and > see if the keyboard starts working correctly. Hmm, a bit too late - I just did 'opkg upgrade -force-overwrite' and now don't have a keyboard at all. Yes, I *was* warned in advance :-) Which poses another question. A new thread in a few minutes. -- Regards, Torfinn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Calling all Australian OpenMoko Geeks! PLEASE READ!
For those like me who were baffled how to actually join: Send a **plain-text** message containing "subscribe oz-users" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you get instructions back. On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Wilkinson, Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We are trying to create an Oz OpenMoko community. > All ozzy OpenMoko geeks please join to the "OpenMoko Oz Users list". > > See below! > > Hope to see you there. > > -aW > > - Forwarded message from Msquared <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - > > Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:01:06 +0800 > From: Msquared <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: OpenMoko Oz Users list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [oz-users] Welcome! > > > Hello everyone! > > We now have 50 subscribers to this list, so I thought that would be a good > point at which to welcome you all, and start a round of introductions (see > next email). > > Welcome to oz-users! > > I'm hosting this list as part of my contribution to the OpenMoko/Neo > project, and to the Australian OpenMoko/Neo users and interested parties. > > The list is primarily for discussion of OpenMoko and Neo related support > issues in Australia; while the official OpenMoko website is the best place > for access to information, sometimes we need a bit more - we need access > to people close enough to have had similar experiences (eg: using the same > mobile networks as one another), and sometimes close enough for physical > access (eg: assistance with technical hardware problems and to un-brick > phones). > > This list is also for discussion of other OpenMoko and Neo related issues > and news, especially anything that is specific to Australia. > > I do ask that we try to stay on-topic as much as possible, but on the > other hand I'm happy to keep things relatively informal and friendly, so > I'm not going to complain when the occasional thread strays a little > off-topic (as we have seen a couple do already!). > > Don't forget that there are many other OpenMoko/Neo resources available, > especially the OpenMoko community mailing list, the OpenMoko wiki, and > more. The OpenMoko community is an amazing, sharing, and forward-thinking > group of people, and I'm proud to be (a small) part of it. > > I hope you all enjoy your stay! :o) > > Regards, Msquared... > > Posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence > Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES > ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to > contact the sender and delete the email. > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Operation without battery (GTA02) / sysfs wiki page
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | | Is there a Wiki page or docs that explain what each register is and | the units it refers to? | | especially in the .../power_supply/bat/... area which seems to have | very pertinent information. | | I think I will start one. There's some real gold down the /sys mine if | you are interested in meddling. I made a start on documenting the more interesting /sys files here: ~ http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiHFhsACgkQOjLpvpq7dMpxtQCcCaGdnWDVtDB295TYXVRic5K4 RQIAnj7dCDJ7uP923xB+E+Sq5GxQiim4 =BQDw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvisibleShield discounts!
HI, thx for sharing ! I recently ordered the shield at zagg and got 30% discount without any discount code. Thanks Zagg ;o) Bastian On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Ilja O. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello there. > > I've ordered Full body protectors for Freerunner, and they gave me two > discount (20%) codes. > > Here they are: 6lcdcr , jla5nt . > > Take them and use them wisely. > > (If you've used one, please write back to community there would be no > discount code collision). > > Btw, > > > The discount will expire in 30 days. > > > Good luck! > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- -- spread the word ... see www.browsehappy.com ;o) Calvin: Weekends don't count unless you spend them doing something completely pointless. Join the Greater IBM Connection (http://www.xing.com/premiumgroup-6291.d26b7d) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvisibleShield discounts!
2008/7/23 Ilja O. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I've ordered Full body protectors for Freerunner, and they gave me two > discount (20%) codes. > > Here they are: 6lcdcr , jla5nt . > > Take them and use them wisely. > > (If you've used one, please write back to community there would be no > discount code collision). and here's another two if anyone wants them. same deal as Ilja: qhkhgz wyhw74 cheers rob ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvisibleShield discounts!
... and I got those two discount codes as well ;o) Here's a one-time-use code that you enter during checkout: xthjst , fc3rjw The discount will expire in 30 days. And as Iija mentioned before: Take them and use them wisely. (If you've used one, please write back to community there would be no discount code collision). hf Bastian -- spread the word ... see www.browsehappy.com ;o) Calvin: Weekends don't count unless you spend them doing something completely pointless. Join the Greater IBM Connection (http://www.xing.com/premiumgroup-6291.d26b7d) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvisibleShield discounts!
Hi, can anyone with the mentioned screen protector tell me whether it is exactly the visible size of the screen, or larger ( requiring removal of front plate to put on, but possibly a better fit ) Thanks, Stefan On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Bastian Feder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > HI, > thx for sharing ! > > I recently ordered the shield at zagg and got 30% discount without any > discount code. > Thanks Zagg ;o) > > Bastian > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Ilja O. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello there. > > > > I've ordered Full body protectors for Freerunner, and they gave me two > > discount (20%) codes. > > > > Here they are: 6lcdcr , jla5nt . > > > > Take them and use them wisely. > > > > (If you've used one, please write back to community there would be no > > discount code collision). > > > > Btw, > > > > > > The discount will expire in 30 days. > > > > > > Good luck! > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > -- > -- > spread the word ... see www.browsehappy.com ;o) > > Calvin: Weekends don't count unless you spend them doing something > completely pointless. > > Join the Greater IBM Connection ( > http://www.xing.com/premiumgroup-6291.d26b7d) > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvisibleShield discounts!
Hi, Here are some more codes to share: 7bnbqp 52mhds 4qymwu w9267d Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvisibleShield discounts!
On Wednesday 23 July 2008 13:43:23 Bastian Feder wrote: > ... and I got those two discount codes as well ;o) > > Here's a one-time-use code that you enter during checkout: xthjst , fc3rjw > > The discount will expire in 30 days. It seems there are a lot InvisibleShield out there. What are your experiences? Are the screen shields slightly larger than the display, so I can put it under the upper case? Are the full cover recommendable? Pictures of a Freerunner "wearing" InvisibleShield would be great. Sven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvisibleShield discounts!
On ke, 2008-07-23 at 13:43 +0200, Bastian Feder wrote: > Take them and use them wisely. > (If you've used one, please write back to community there would be no > discount code collision). Meh. Please, when sharing discount codes, take the time to dish them out yourself privately. The community list is stuffed enough as it is, and throwing around one-use codes and notes about them being used publically is somewhat superfluous. I've got several codes too. E-mail me privately if you need them, that is, are ordering only one shield - otherwise you'd get the same or better discount already. -- Mikko Rauhala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> University of Helsinki ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Public build host (proposal)
Hi, since it seems to be extremely difficult to build software for the OpenMoko on my home machine, perhaps it would be usefull if someone (within OpenMoko?) would set up a globally reachable build host with an openembedded and toolchain environment on it. That way, people with less experience setting up a build environment, or people not having the possibility to have one, could also build software. Let's hear a vote or proposal! Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvisibleShield discounts!
On Wednesday 23 July 2008 13:55:33 Mikko Rauhala wrote: > On ke, 2008-07-23 at 13:43 +0200, Bastian Feder wrote: > > Take them and use them wisely. > > (If you've used one, please write back to community there would be no > > discount code collision). > > Meh. Please, when sharing discount codes, take the time to dish them out > yourself privately. The community list is stuffed enough as it is, and > throwing around one-use codes and notes about them being used publically > is somewhat superfluous. Or setting up a Wiki page. If someone uses that code, he can directly remove it from the page... Sven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner?
Hi, I have installed my (screen only) invisible shield. It is not invisible, but quite ok. Difference in aspect is that it looks less smooth/glossy/slick. (I'm french... I just try not to use too wrong words to describe :-) ) And it also has more grip... slipping finger or stylus is less easy. (a bit like if you try to do it on a rubber eraser) Though it gets better after it has completely dried... but hard to compare since I got used to it... (I need another freerunner !) Oh... something else I noticed : with it, do not use anymore a ballpoint pen ! Ink will stay on the invisible shield. So take care with the multifunction stylus. I could wash out the ink by getting it a little wet and sweeping, but I do not know if it would have been more difficult if I had waited longer and it would have dried more... > AVee wrote: >> On Thursday 17 July 2008 22:49, Brad Pitcher wrote: >> >>> Yes, I'm using the full body shield and I really like it. It was >>> somewhat difficult to apply but worth it. You don't need to take apart >>> the FR and it comes with some spray that makes it so you can make little >>> adjustments to the position of the shield directly after application. >>> It is a little more reflective than the LCD was without it, but quite >>> usable. >>> >> >> So it the screen protector is a tight fit? I think I'd prefer one which is >> slightly bigger so the edges will disappear under the body. That should make >> it even more invisible... >> >> AVee >> >> ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner?
> I have installed my (screen only) invisible shield. how big is it? fits exactly the visible part of the screen? or does it match the real screen size? and how easy to apply (bubbles and so)? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Public build host (proposal)
> Let's hear a vote or proposal! the idea crossed my mind too the other day. would be a nice thing to have but of course it requires rather much attention (far from everything in the sources buids actually and updating w/ mokomakefile seems absolutely not to pull in the newest code). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Operation without battery (GTA02) / sysfs wiki page
> I made a start on documenting the more interesting /sys files here: > > ~ http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs nice! i fiddled around with ...leds/.../trigger (actually, i modified the sysfsutils script from debian to run on the fr, will post this evening) and set blue to full and orange to charging --- it worked once and since that not reliable (orange mostly, but it never switches to blue). so, when are these triggers fired? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GEOS on Openmoko
Dear all, Apologies in advance; I know that this is not the developer's list, but I hoped there would be enough crossover between the two. I'm trying to compile SpatiaLite on the Openmoko platform using the toolchain: http://www.gaia-gis.it/spatialite-2.0/index.html I've cross compiled PROJ.4 without any trouble, but am having issues with GEOS (I'm trying 2.2.3 ad 3.0 seems to have a particular dislike of me). 2.2.3 configures but won't make, I'm told this is because of a lack of C++ support, so I re-configure like so: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ om-conf CPPFLAGS="-I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/c++/4.1.2" geos-2.2.3/ And make gives me pages of errors (the copy and pastes of all of this are available if people would like them). According to the GEOS guys this should work, so I come to you, my Openmoko friends. Thanks in advance, Joseph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Public build host (proposal)
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:18 PM, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the idea crossed my mind too the other day. > would be a nice thing to have but of course it requires rather much > attention (far from everything in the sources buids actually and updating > w/ mokomakefile seems absolutely not to pull in the newest code). Well, I'd be the one building my own code. The build host 'only' needs to be up to date wrt. the compilers and openembedded stuff. No need to build 'all the code all day'. Christ -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner?
Cédric Berger, 2008-07-23 14:10:44 +0200 : > (I'm french... I just try not to use too wrong words to describe :-) I assume you got it from Zagg; were there any surprises such as customs/taxes surcharge? I've been caught quite a few times by interesting prices that turned up not too interesting after the customs took their toll :-/ Roland. -- Roland Mas One... two... one, two, many, lots! -- Lias, in Soul music (Terry Pratchett) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner?
It is quite exactly the visible size of the screen. Very slightly smaller. It is easy to apply : spray it, apply and adjust (it slips), get bubbles away with the tool from the invisible shield pack and let dry... I sprayed quite a lot (too much ?), and water (well the solution in the spray) is then wiped out to the edges. Take it away before it gets into the body and the electronic components. I think I have some really little bubbles at one point (I would need a magnifier to check...). But I really didn't struggle when applying. Manual indicates some micro bubble should go away after 2-3 days. What took me the more time is cleaning my screen before applying. Didn't want to protect dirt and smudges. On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 14:16, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I have installed my (screen only) invisible shield. > > how big is it? fits exactly the visible part of the screen? or does it > match the real screen size? > and how easy to apply (bubbles and so)? > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Public build host (proposal)
> Well, I'd be the one building my own code. The build host 'only' needs > to be up to date wrt. the compilers and openembedded stuff. No need to > build 'all the code all day'. not sure i understand you correctly: i thought rather of smth like a webinterface, offering a list of available packages and building a particular one on request. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner?
> Didn't want to protect dirt and smudges. why not? you never get 'em back -- ta panta rhei! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Operation without battery (GTA02) / sysfs wiki page
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: |> I made a start on documenting the more interesting /sys files here: |> |> ~ http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs | | nice! | i fiddled around with ...leds/.../trigger (actually, i modified the | sysfsutils script from debian to run on the fr, will post this evening) | and set blue to full and orange to charging --- it worked once and since | that not reliable (orange mostly, but it never switches to blue). | so, when are these triggers fired? The charging LED trigger was unreliable until yesterday, today's kernel packages should fix it. http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=46159c9a3fba291d106625092fd62358548894e0 Even when your battery is full, if you pull and reinsert USB it should give charging a go for a while then stop itself. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiHJVIACgkQOjLpvpq7dMokhQCdG8bUxxX+34VCk3YRTXBS/Teb esMAn20b4zJdvRkCC1B8WGWHWhhnMODX =IBaU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Public build host (proposal)
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:31 PM, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > not sure i understand you correctly: i thought rather of smth like a > webinterface, offering a list of available packages and building a > particular one on request. No, I want to develop my own packages, so I need a place to upload my code and get an ipkg build for me. Christ -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner?
I checked before but I do not remember exactly... for something less than about 20$ (€ ?) there should not be custom taxes from the US. There still is VAT that should be payed but how to do it... and for only 7$... Anyway (till now) I had nothing more to pay. Custom might one day write me a bill to ask for the VAT. In this case I just hope I would have nothing more to pay (processing fee...). And I think the package was mailed from UK... so maybe even different rules (well even less to care for custom taxes I guess) (I payed via Paypal since my VISA credit card was refused on the order page) On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 14:28, Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cédric Berger, 2008-07-23 14:10:44 +0200 : > >> (I'm french... I just try not to use too wrong words to describe :-) > > I assume you got it from Zagg; were there any surprises such as > customs/taxes surcharge? I've been caught quite a few times by > interesting prices that turned up not too interesting after the > customs took their toll :-/ > > Roland. > -- > Roland Mas > > One... two... one, two, many, lots! > -- Lias, in Soul music (Terry Pratchett) > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner?
would you mind posting a photo? Cédric Berger wrote: > It is quite exactly the visible size of the screen. Very slightly smaller. > > It is easy to apply : spray it, apply and adjust (it slips), get > bubbles away with the tool from the invisible shield pack and let > dry... > > I sprayed quite a lot (too much ?), and water (well the solution in > the spray) is then wiped out to the edges. Take it away before it gets > into the body and the electronic components. > > I think I have some really little bubbles at one point (I would need a > magnifier to check...). But I really didn't struggle when applying. > Manual indicates some micro bubble should go away after 2-3 days. > > What took me the more time is cleaning my screen before applying. > Didn't want to protect dirt and smudges. > > > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 14:16, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> I have installed my (screen only) invisible shield. >>> >> how big is it? fits exactly the visible part of the screen? or does it >> match the real screen size? >> and how easy to apply (bubbles and so)? >> >> > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner?
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Cédric Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (I payed via Paypal since my VISA credit card was refused on the order page) My french card was refused too. Strange. -- Olivier M. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR - ASU image - keyboard with wrong characters
Hello, On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Michael Sheldon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I believe this is a known bug: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1533 > > It occurs when the USB cable is plugged in, try removing the USB and > see if the keyboard starts working correctly. I was able to confirm this by using the dialer keypad (which still works). Yes, this is the same bug. The keypad works normally when usb is unplugged. You can plug and unplug usb many times, the bug is only "active" when the usb is connected. -- Regards, Torfinn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Public build host (proposal)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:31 PM, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: |> not sure i understand you correctly: i thought rather of smth like a |> webinterface, offering a list of available packages and building a |> particular one on request. | | No, I want to develop my own packages, so I need a place to upload my | code and get an ipkg build for me. This won't scale, folks should obviously be able to make their own packages on their own host without undue problems. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiHK2UACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrARgCfWvzh7etzWPXvqxWSMGMzZfjU uqAAnj/hWY4xy+XsuevMljx3I9r4NcQz =00bs -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Volume?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 julien cubizolles schrieb: | Le jeudi 17 juillet 2008 à 17:53 +0200, papa-piet a écrit : |> Hi, |> I didn't tested it yet but maybe this will help: |> |> http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=170&start=75#p3277 | | I thinks it's the original one. I adjusted this one (increased the Mic2 | from 0 to 50) and nobody complains anymore when I call them... | | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community No, it is not the original one. I adjusted the mono-volume, so everyone can understand me but without echo. Before the adjustment, everyone complained, that i was not loud enough. Greetings Bastian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIhyuClYiDScJJ+7QRAsbyAKD66eKLSJZ4KjQ1+8E+wb5nF0Y6AgCg+D+7 cXtHrJosHIZ5n/A2dzRK07g= =25bz -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Calling all Australian OpenMoko Geeks! PLEASE READ!
Msquared, Can you point people the correct instructions to subscribe. -aW 0n Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 09:06:55PM +1000, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote: >For those like me who were baffled how to actually join: >Send a **plain-text** message containing "subscribe oz-users" to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you get instructions back. > >On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Wilkinson, Alex ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> We are trying to create an Oz OpenMoko community. >> All ozzy OpenMoko geeks please join to the "OpenMoko Oz Users list". >> >> See below! >> >> Hope to see you there. >> >> -aW >> >> - Forwarded message from Msquared <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - >> >> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:01:06 +0800 >> From: Msquared <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: OpenMoko Oz Users list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: [oz-users] Welcome! >> >> >> Hello everyone! >> >> We now have 50 subscribers to this list, so I thought that would be a good >> point at which to welcome you all, and start a round of introductions (see >> next email). >> >> Welcome to oz-users! >> >> I'm hosting this list as part of my contribution to the OpenMoko/Neo >> project, and to the Australian OpenMoko/Neo users and interested parties. >> >> The list is primarily for discussion of OpenMoko and Neo related support >> issues in Australia; while the official OpenMoko website is the best place >> for access to information, sometimes we need a bit more - we need access >> to people close enough to have had similar experiences (eg: using the same >> mobile networks as one another), and sometimes close enough for physical >> access (eg: assistance with technical hardware problems and to un-brick >> phones). >> >> This list is also for discussion of other OpenMoko and Neo related issues >> and news, especially anything that is specific to Australia. >> >> I do ask that we try to stay on-topic as much as possible, but on the >> other hand I'm happy to keep things relatively informal and friendly, so >> I'm not going to complain when the occasional thread strays a little >> off-topic (as we have seen a couple do already!). >> >> Don't forget that there are many other OpenMoko/Neo resources available, >> especially the OpenMoko community mailing list, the OpenMoko wiki, and >> more. The OpenMoko community is an amazing, sharing, and forward-thinking >> group of people, and I'm proud to be (a small) part of it. >> >> I hope you all enjoy your stay! :o) >> >> Regards, Msquared... >> >> Posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. >> >> >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > >___ >Openmoko community mailing list >community@lists.openmoko.org >http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- -- Alex Wilkinson Systems Support - HMAS Stirling WA (08) 955 33614Defence Science and Technology Organisation [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.dsto.defence.gov.au/ -- -- IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Where's edje_decc? (was: Re: Terminal for ASU)
Am Dienstag 22 Juli 2008 15:04:59 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: [...] > either way - there WAS a button.. it was in the top-left corner of the > screen that was blank and unused anyway. it used up no extra screen space > and was obvious to hit. it was by far the best option available so far. if > you hack the illum theme (edje_decc illme.edj to decompile - edit the .edc > and run build.sh to rebuild... copy it back in place). you can add the > button back - if you can find it. Where can I find this "edje_decc"? Searching the om and debian repos didn't turn up anything useful, google the same. I'd really like to add a button for my own app to zhone so that I don't need to start it with x-tunneling all the time. Same for the agpsui... :) -marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner?
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 14:45, Bumbl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > would you mind posting a photo? Well not possible for now, sorry... maybe tonight but I do not know if I will have time. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Public build host (proposal)
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This won't scale, folks should obviously be able to make their own > packages on their own host without undue problems. I'm having 'due problems' then :-( Christ -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Official Openmoko Forums
I'm using an email list -to- news group redirector news.gmane.org just point your news reader at it and select the appropriate openmoko list. works great! No more 300-400 emails clobbering me everyday. Scott signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Public build host (proposal)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: |> This won't scale, folks should obviously be able to make their own |> packages on their own host without undue problems. | | I'm having 'due problems' then :-( Toolchain tarball is a nice way actually, but I found if you need to link against libraries not in toolchain tree magically already, things become radically less smooth. There is a install-target-lib-and-dev-package-on-build-host solution that was "incomplete" and coming but I didn't hear that it was finished yet. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiHMP0ACgkQOjLpvpq7dMpyBACdGYtJZDdsKESXYKOJFpRQrK+h 5MYAnja5Fim/7sLLOjVhnqsKPcRRtvOt =PHv7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner?
I ordered one too. I payed via MasterCard (I'm french to) Didn't receive it yet. So far, I paid 6.4€ (including bank fees) (Did you made a report on the french forum http://openmoko-fr.org/forum/ ?? ) On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Cédric Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I checked before but I do not remember exactly... for something less > than about 20$ (€ ?) there should not be custom taxes from the US. > > There still is VAT that should be payed but how to do it... and for only > 7$... > > Anyway (till now) I had nothing more to pay. Custom might one day > write me a bill to ask for the VAT. In this case I just hope I would > have nothing more to pay (processing fee...). > > And I think the package was mailed from UK... so maybe even different > rules (well even less to care for custom taxes I guess) > > (I payed via Paypal since my VISA credit card was refused on the order > page) > > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 14:28, Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Cédric Berger, 2008-07-23 14:10:44 +0200 : > > > >> (I'm french... I just try not to use too wrong words to describe :-) > > > > I assume you got it from Zagg; were there any surprises such as > > customs/taxes surcharge? I've been caught quite a few times by > > interesting prices that turned up not too interesting after the > > customs took their toll :-/ > > > > Roland. > > -- > > Roland Mas > > > > One... two... one, two, many, lots! > > -- Lias, in Soul music (Terry Pratchett) > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Terminal for ASU
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:20:29 +0200 Holger Freyther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Wednesday 23 July 2008 03:39:54 Ken Restivo wrote: > > > Can someone document what hacks are available to bring the Illume keyboard > > back, and to manually trigger it with that little "qwerty" button that used > > to be there, in case the designers decide they don't want users to be able > > to type things in anymore? > > Asking for "hacks" is almost certainly the wrong thing to do. So keyboard > stopped working in your org.openmoko.asu.stable build? Well, then let us > track down the regressions in e and illume. right now - the keyboard (internal one) may or may not be enabled depending what svn rev u get. i have not been updating the svnrev in asu.dev because i KNOW what revs have it enabled or not. i need to make this a config option - i know, but right now it's a 1 function call to create the internal kbd. for me - the kbd works reliably with the internal keyboard. i have a test app that can request the keyboard "automatically" (and i can have it request different kinds of kbds) or request no kbd - at least on my desktop it works 100% of the time beautifully. i have run it on my freerunner too - and it works. so you'll have to wait for dust to settle here. -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Terminal for ASU
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:08:55 +0200 Kalle Happonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > what gesture, where? how? how ill this be able to not conflict with > > operation of other apps? i am not so hot on gestures - especially ones that > > use up the "whole screen" or parts o the screen where apps run - as now > > gestures fight for usability with apps themselves. there is no > > coordination. example: > > > > if the gesture was "slide up the screen from bottom to top" - how is this > > gesture different from me dragging my finger to scroll a list in the > > application on my screen? how do i make sure only ONE of these happens (the > > keyboard pops up OR the scroll happens) and not both? > > > I'm not sure, but I think he meant gesture as in accelerometer. Double > tap the phone for instance, or tap it on the bottom and it slides up, > and tap it on the top and it slides down... or... hmm accelerometer - not going there right now. i have never played with them, but - i do see there being a good use of them for something like this. twitch phone up for displaying keyboard, twitch down for hiding. but until i have got accelerometers firmly in hand - i'm sticking to the screen and buttons as input. not saying "no" - just saying "not there yet". need to consider if i should be listening to them in E as another kind of input device and generate internal events, or if there should be a daemon messaging commands or emitting keystrokes based on gestures. lots of things to solve there before using accelerometers for this -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Terminal for ASU
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:32:34 +0100 Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > On 22 Jul 2008, at 14:36, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > >> ... > >> Sorry to trouble you, but who are these designers, please? > > > > i'll let them speak up if they wish to be part of a debate on this. > > it's up to > > them. > > I'd be grateful if someone @openmoko could be a bit transparent about > this. > > > ... i have technical reasons why i think the > > move to remove any such manual control is a bad thing and have made > > them clear > > often enough. > > This is why openness would be beneficial to the community. > > After all the efforts that Openmoko have made over being open, I am > just amazed that design decisions that affect everyone are being made > in secret. > > >> I think many of us would like to contribute to the ASU, seeing as > >> how it's the future of Openmoko, so this would appear to be a > >> limitation upon community contributions. > > > > as such we are paid by openmoko to do what we are told to do by > > the design > > department and that is what we then do. you in the community can go > > and do your > > own themes and patches and packages and do what u want. > > Openmoko promotes itself as an "open" company soliciting > contributions from community developers. > > That's great! > > But if that means I can only develop apps that run ON the phone - or > if I want to code for core apps then I need to fork - it would be > great if they could say so. > > Sorry to use the alarmist word "fork" here, I don't mean it that way. > > But right now it appears difficult to contribute changes to the ASU > window manager (if I'm understanding correctly that that is the > component which is missing a manual keyboard toggle button). It is > pointless me doing so if I have to maintain this patch all on my own > and no-one else is going to benefit. If I want to add a manual > keyboard toggle button then that's exactly the scenario - if other > people want to use it I effectively have to "fork" the code, > maintaining a whole package or firmware image, simply so people can > download it from my website. it was in fact said that "the community can create their own packages" - so as such you are expected to fork - create modified packages with different config. as such only maybe 1% of the config e/illume has is actually accessible (in a gui) in a sane usable way. can't change wallpaper, can't choose a new theme, can't modify sizes of things, cache sizes, framerates this is a design decision, and thus forces you to fork. > >> Where are the design documents which say "no keyboard toggle button > >> should be included", please? If one wishes to contribute code or > >> patches to ASU then I guess it's necessary to know this, or one will > >> find patches rejected because they don't meet this design > >> specification? > > > > well design documents are pretty thin on the ground. i was told so in > > email/irc directly to do this. i had a manual button there > > originally and was > > explicitly told to remove it. > > Right. So right now there's no point in members of the community > trying to contribute patches to core features or functionality, lest > these patches get declined because the designers don't happen to like > them. Even worse is the prospect of you saying "great! this is really > useful, I'll add it to git" and then the community member feeling > disappointed (pissed off) later when you're told to remove it. correct. if you have problems with this - i am not the guy to talk to as it has been made clear that i am just a programmer here. > IMO it's crazy for you (the senior developer to ASU? you're surely > the most active?) to have his hands tied by these shadowy "designers" > who can interfere apparently on a whim. Especially when they're > coming up with crazy decisions that are technically poor!! welcome to openmoko. i get paid to program. i am not a designer (as i have been told) and thus am not qualified to make decisions there (so i have been informed). i am paid to program. so that is what i will do. > On 21 Jul 2008, at 19:47, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > >>> ... > >>> the problem is the designers decided that ASU is not to have any > >>> manual keyboard toggle button because it will disturb the design > >>> and/or confuse users, so all apps and toolkits need modification > >>> to talk a "protocol" to bring up the keyboard on demand (no > >>> manual controls). that is why you need to do this. > > They asked you to take out a simple button, in favour of a whole > protocol, when no protocol currently exists? Aside from the points > you make about porting existing (Gnome, KDE, whatever) applications > to ASU, what's the hard in keeping the button until this protocol is > later developed? > > Please would the "designers" speak up so we can flame them directly. > > Presently I think you'
Re: FR - ASU image - keyboard with wrong characters
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:47:08 +0200 "Torfinn Ingolfsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Hello, > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Johny Tenfinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> BTW, I really, really miss a backspace key on this keyboard. > > > > "Click" some key and drag to left - it should work as backspace key. > > On the keyboard? any key? > I just can't seem to get that to work. I click down on a key on the > keyboard (say "5") and drag left. When I release that key, the number > 5 is added to the input field. > I also tried to drag in other directions - didn't help. > What am I doing wrong? drag "Far enough". ie just slide your finger from right to across the keyboard for backspace, slide left to right for space/next word. slide from bottom to top for "switch layout" and slide from top to bottom for "enter". as such the code requires a slide of 1/4 of the width (or height) of the keyboard to be registered as a slide. make sure you keep your finger held down otherwise the drag gets interrupted with a "release" then a press again... -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR - ASU image - keyboard with wrong characters
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:04:39 +0200 "Torfinn Ingolfsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
babbled:
for now - let things in keyboard land settle down. things are being worked on...
> Hello,
>
> First of all - I'm not really sure if this "report" belongs on the
> support list or here. I'll try here first.
>
> I have been running this image[1] on my FreeRunner for a while now. If
> I have gotten my understanding right, this is the ASU image.
> Anyway, today I did a 'opkg update' followed by a 'opkg upgrade'. The
> upgrade went fine, and I rebooted my FR.
>
> I now have:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# uname -a
> Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jul 23 06:34:19 CEST 2008 armv4tl unknown
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/angstrom-version
> Angstrom P1-Snapshot-20080722
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/om-version
> Tag Name:
> VERSION: 1d2ffa9abf4464c9ae0d31ee1ca697aaaeb7a81c
> Branch: org.openmoko.dev
> Build Host: buildhost.openmoko.org
> Time Stamp: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 01:49:30 +0200
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/version
> 200807110147
>
> I noticed something funny when the PIN code dialog for the SIM card
> came up: not all keys on the keyboard produce the correct characters.
> On the numbers "panel" of the keuboard (fr lack of a better word)*,
> the key row 1 -0 produces these characters:123456{[]}
> All other keys produces the correct character, as far as I can determine.
>
> Does anybody know how to fix this?
>
> BTW, I really, really miss a backspace key on this keyboard.
>
> References:
> 1)
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080710/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080710-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
>
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> Torfinn Ingolfsen
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Re: order from Pulster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> I got my order confirmation yesterday, with payment information and the >> 15.8 as delivery date, for the old price. >> Took some time but i'm happy now and looking forward to my freerunner :) >> >> daniel >> > > Your delivery date concerns me a bit. I ordered my freerunner the 1st of > July (after you did) but it's still earlier than the 2nd of July. Christoph > Pulster confirmed on this list that anyone who had already placed an order > the 2nd of July was guaranteed to get a freerunner in the 25th of July > batch. I can't find the link to his post but here's a message that quotes > it: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/020297.html Well - that's how it is. My order was placed on 27/6 (12:10 CEST) and after mailing pulster yesterday I got a reply for August-15 shippment.. So unless you put your order _really_ very early (ie, before the first announcement from pulster) - and they are handling orders in a FIFO fashion... Vlado -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iJwEAQECAAYFAkiHNsgACgkQutgEj9ZLuzSktQP/dY3yOaAdpq0/LXhj+8N2NNrL Zytm/Avf+NERXfx0VFY1cQCi6hOytQAVjJuJDeFQ84/VaRQNAiO+DpdixQvBrKvV pas+cKUVWbEZtRzkLKNg7FDxLQVczTJcvyH9HUH71kXe+39RxT7bOECHdl7Bc8uj h9nhRts3rfQqc7gguWA= =TOit -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Public build host (proposal)
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Somebody in the thread at some point said: > | On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > |> This won't scale, folks should obviously be able to make their own > |> packages on their own host without undue problems. > | > | I'm having 'due problems' then :-( > > Toolchain tarball is a nice way actually, but I found if you need to The toolchain requires one to have an i386(ish) machine. So does openmokoui2.0-dev. Mokomakefile also fails on a non-i386(ish) somewhere. Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Public build host (proposal)
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Christ van Willegen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Somebody in the thread at some point said: >> | On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> |> This won't scale, folks should obviously be able to make their own >> |> packages on their own host without undue problems. >> | >> | I'm having 'due problems' then :-( >> >> Toolchain tarball is a nice way actually, but I found if you need to > > The toolchain requires one to have an i386(ish) machine. So does > openmokoui2.0-dev. > > Mokomakefile also fails on a non-i386(ish) somewhere. On that topic, has anyone tried compiling everything (OE) on *BSD? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where's edje_decc? (was: Re: Terminal for ASU)
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:04:12 +0200 Marcel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Am Dienstag 22 Juli 2008 15:04:59 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: > [...] > > either way - there WAS a button.. it was in the top-left corner of the > > screen that was blank and unused anyway. it used up no extra screen space > > and was obvious to hit. it was by far the best option available so far. if > > you hack the illum theme (edje_decc illme.edj to decompile - edit the .edc > > and run build.sh to rebuild... copy it back in place). you can add the > > button back - if you can find it. > > Where can I find this "edje_decc"? Searching the om and debian repos didn't > turn up anything useful, google the same. I'd really like to add a button for > my own app to zhone so that I don't need to start it with x-tunneling all the > time. Same for the agpsui... :) it comes with edje... there is edje_cc and edje_decc (they are used to compile and decompile themes files). edje is in testing in debian... otherwise enlightenment.org - and grab cvs... or download snapshot tarballs. -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where's edje_decc? (was: Re: Terminal for ASU)
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 8:47 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:04:12 +0200 Marcel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > > Am Dienstag 22 Juli 2008 15:04:59 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: > > [...] > > > either way - there WAS a button.. it was in the top-left corner of the > > > screen that was blank and unused anyway. it used up no extra screen > space > > > and was obvious to hit. it was by far the best option available so far. > if > > > you hack the illum theme (edje_decc illme.edj to decompile - edit the > .edc > > > and run build.sh to rebuild... copy it back in place). you can add the > > > button back - if you can find it. > > > > Where can I find this "edje_decc"? Searching the om and debian repos > didn't > > turn up anything useful, google the same. I'd really like to add a button > for > > my own app to zhone so that I don't need to start it with x-tunneling all > the > > time. Same for the agpsui... :) > > it comes with edje... there is edje_cc and edje_decc (they are used to > compile > and decompile themes files). edje is in testing in debian... otherwise > enlightenment.org - and grab cvs... or download snapshot tarballs. > > > -- > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > There is also an edje-utils package available from opkg which contains those tools. -Jacob ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Qtopia] roaming - manual selection not working
I confirm also that if from the UI I try to select a network from
available gsm networks, it asks me if I want to switch to manual and
fails :
log shows a failed :
AT+COPS=1,2,20810
But manually I was able to do it by :
AT+COPS=1,2,"20810"
=> looks like the quotes where missing in command issued by Qtopia
(if I omit them I have the same error message)
And still there is the error when directly selecting the Change Mode
in menu, from Automatic to Manual :
AT+COPS=1,2,0fails
=>provider number is missing ("20810")(or is "0" meaningful for
current provider? if so maybe it is only the quotes missing...)
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 23:34, Cédric Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> not so easy to try since at home I do not have access to roaming network...
>
> but when I try to select manual search mode (while yet connected) from
> the Network selection menu, which fails, log shows :
> AT+COPS=1,2,0
> +CME ERROR: 3
>
> so it looks like the AT+COPS=1,2,0 is wrong : last number should have
> been provider number (20810)
>
>
> I was able from console to do a successful AT+COPS=1,1,"SFR" (and I
> think also AT+COPS=1,2,"20810")
>
> (when connected to roaming network,I thought I had seen failed log of
> AT+COPS=1,2,20810 but I will have try again tomorrow)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 09:09, Cédric Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> My freerunner connects to my operator with no problems (SFR, france),
>> and when I am in switzerland (geneva) and loose the signal, it
>> automatically switches to another (swisscom... roaming costs so much
>> more expensive for me...). That's fine with automatic mode.
>>
>> But I cannot force it into manual mode (once it has switched, even
>> though the SFR signal is back -and even if it is stronger than
>> swisscom's-, it won't try to go back to SFR).
>> Even rebooting, it stays on the same network.
>>
>> When I try in the settings-Call Networks to "Select operator", it
>> fails ("Failed to register to the selected network operator").
>> Same error when I just try to switch mode from Automatic to Manual, on
>> either of these 2 networks.
>>
>> Any idea ? Does this work for some people ?
>>
>> I guess I should try in console with AT commands...
>>
>> (I could only force switch back by putting my SIM in my old phone,
>> switching network, and SIM back into freerunner ! )
>>
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Re: Has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner?
I cannot comment on the product. I placed my order on July 4th and aside from the charge to my card and the confirmation of sale email I haven't heard a thing from ZAGG. I sent their customer service an email on Monday, no reply. I called them today and their phone line says they are having a company holiday and will be out all day and half of tomorrow. Some of the people in my OM buyers group ordered just the screen protectors (I ordered the whole device protection) and received them within a week. So, my experience hs not been very good thus far. YMMV -Bryan On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:27:29 +0200 "Cédric DUFOUIL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I ordered one too. I payed via MasterCard (I'm french to) > > Didn't receive it yet. > > > (Did you made a report on the french forum http://openmoko-fr.org/forum/ ?? > ) > > > wrote: > > > I checked before but I do not remember exactly... for something less > > > > There still is VAT that should be payed but how to do it... and for only > > 7$... > > > > Anyway (till now) I had nothing more to pay. Custom might one day > > write me a bill to ask for the VAT. In this case I just hope I would > > have nothing more to pay (processing fee...). > > > > And I think the package was mailed from UK... so maybe even different > > rules (well even less to care for custom taxes I guess) > > > > (I payed via Paypal since my VISA credit card was refused on the order > > page) > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 14:28, Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> (I'm french... I just try not to use too wrong words to describe :-) > > > > > > I assume you got it from Zagg; were there any surprises such as > > > customs/taxes surcharge? I've been caught quite a few times by > > > interesting prices that turned up not too interesting after the > > > customs took their toll :-/ > > > > > > Roland. > > > -- > > > Roland Mas > > > > > > One... two... one, two, many, lots! > > > -- Lias, in Soul music (Terry Pratchett) > > > > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > -- Bryan DeLuca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why is Qtopia much faster?
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Re: Calling all Australian OpenMoko Geeks! PLEASE READ!
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Re: problem booting to NOR?
Al Johnson wrote: > On Monday 21 July 2008, Steve Leung wrote: >> Hi.. I hope someone can point out what I'm doing wrong. >> >> I want to boot into my Freerunner's NOR to try flashing different >> images, but I can't get it to work. I've followed what's on the wiki, >> and all I get is a brief pop or crackle from the speaker, and then about >> 6 seconds later the red LED flashes very briefly. The screen does not >> light up. >> >> I've tried all combinations of: >> >> - USB connected/disconnected >> - holding AUX/POWER for short and long periods of time >> - releasing AUX or POWER first >> - with/without SIM card installed >> >> I'm assuming there should be some visual confirmation that I've booted >> into NOR - if I plug in the USB cable after following the documented >> process, the device boots normally. >> >> I can get into NAND no problem, and the POWER and AUX buttons both work >> fine during normal use. >> >> Does this happen to anyone else? Does this indicate some kind of >> problem with the phone? Would a debug board help fix this? > > I remember taking several tries to get it going initially, but now I can't > work out why I had trouble. > > Press Aux and hold > Press Power and hold > Hear tick from speaker > See red light flash on Aux > See uBoot screen > Release buttons > > Timing doesn't appear to be much of an issue so long as the Aux button is > down > when the power button is pressed. From pressing Power to uBoot screen is > between 1 and 2 seconds. Steve, did Al's advice help? Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can you help the Openmoko booth at Linuxworld, August 4-7, in San Francisco?
Much appreciated Joseph! Perhaps next time we do a conference on your side of the pond. Michael Joseph Reeves wrote: > I'd give my big toe to be there, but am on the wrong side of the > Atlantic. I'll be sending positive mental energy across the pond to > you all! > > Joseph > > > > 2008/7/17 Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Openmoko will be at Linuxworld, and needs to staff two booths: One in >> the main vendor area, and another in the Linux Garage. >> >> As we are a small understaffed team, we would love it if some of you >> could commit to helping us. >> >> If you are on this mailing list, you already know enough to answer the >> most common question: "What is Openmoko?". >> >> As for more technical questions, don't worry - you already know a lot, >> and you can always defer questions to one of us. >> >> In return we plan some sort of appreciation, perhaps in the form of >> T-shirts or some other Openmoko swag, and you will be the proud owner of >> our undying gratitude :-) You will also be able to ask Steve all those >> difficult questions you've been saving up. >> >> It's also a great opportunity for us to get to know you, no matter how >> much or little time you can commit to helping. >> >> LinuxWorld is August 4-7, in San Francisco. >> >> Please let me know right away so that I can arrange for badges. >> >> Passes for the exhibit hall are free! Register at >> http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/register//SN335015 >> >> If there is interest we will also hold a BoF session. >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can you help the Openmoko booth at Linuxworld, August 4-7, in San Francisco?
Adilson Oliveira wrote: > Michael Shiloh escreveu: >> Openmoko will be at Linuxworld, and needs to staff two booths: One in >> the main vendor area, and another in the Linux Garage. >> >> As we are a small understaffed team, we would love it if some of you >> could commit to helping us. >> > > Well, I'll be there too but I'll be working on the Canonical booth so I > probably won't be able to give it a hand but for sure I'll try to come > by for some time at least. Thanks for your offer Adilson! Look forward to meeting. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can you help the Openmoko booth at Linuxworld, August 4-7, in San Francisco?
Sorry Pomeroy, it's right in the middle of the week. Would have been nice to meet you! Michael Pomeroy Lab wrote: > If it's on the weekend I can come. Just need to know when. Also I won't > be able to pay for my traveling expenses i.e. Gas or air fair. I must > work on Monday - Friday. > > If you do have me come I'll set up my live Linux radio show at the event > so others can hear live what's going on. > > */Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: > > Openmoko will be at Linuxworld, and needs to staff two booths: One in > the main vendor area, and another in the Linux Garage. > > As we are a small understaffed team, we would love it if some of you > could commit to helping us. > > If you are on this mailing list, you already know enough to answer the > most common question: "What is Openmoko?". > > As for more technical questions, don't worry - you already know a lot, > and you can always defer questions to one of us. > > In return we plan some sort of appreciation, perhaps in the form of > T-shirts or some other Openmoko swag, and you will be the proud > owner of > our undying gratitude :-) You will also be able to ask Steve all those > difficult questions you've been saving up. > > It's also a great opportunity for us to get to know you, no matter how > much or little time you can commit to helping. > > LinuxWorld is August 4-7, in San Francisco. > > Please let me know right away so that I can arrange for badges. > > Passes for the exhibit hall are free! Register at > http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/register//SN335015 > > If there is interest we will also hold a BoF session. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeBSD / dfu-util
On 7/22/08, Ben Cadieux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > it might be a stupid comment, but have you booted the freerunner in NOR? > > > > Yes, I held AUX while turning on, got the boot menu with [NOR] next to > it and booted up. I assume everything went okay. I wasn't expecting > to be back in the GUI and using the phone as usual, but that's how it > is. Back in the GUI? This sounds like you booted all the way which is incorrect. I made the same mistake and there was another post here that also made that mistake. The wiki is correct but easy to misread. I'll fix it. You need to be >>at the boot menu<< on the FR to run dfu-util. Apologies if I misunderstood you (I'm good at that) Andrew Burgess ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner?
Søren Kristiansen wrote: > Hello > > As the subject says, has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the > freerunner? I received the full-body invisibleSHIELD recently. I don't have a lot of patience for tasks like this, but I found the back cover useful and the screen protector good. The front cover piece is so flimsy that I could never get it in the right position and when I came close, to me it just made the FreeRunner look horrible, so I took it off. I never even bothered with the side pieces. I'm going to have to try to re-apply the screen piece a few more times because I couldn't get all the air bubbles out the first time, so those spots will eventually drive me crazy, but I don't think the glare issue is too bad. I would prefer a little of that to a scratched-up screen, anyway. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GPS success: updated default software stack with no antenna
Successfully tracked and mapped my daily commute! -- Alex ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA01BV4 died, please help me.
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > Am Mi 16. Juli 2008 schrieb Michael Shiloh: >> Joerg Reisenweber wrote: >>> This shouldn't cause any problem on GTA02 (on GTA01 there were some scream > of >>> death issues when removing bat while charged IIRC). At least we have no >>> reports on this so far, I myself do remove bat while on charger > frequently - >>> no harm. >> >> The original post is regarding a GTA01 in fact. > > Sorry, my fault > Yes GTA01 is reported to be problematic on removal of bat while charging. You > shouldn't do this. Alas this is "before my time" and I can't actually > remember all the details I've been reading on this, nor could I tell about > possible harm caused by this. > /jOERG Joerg, if you have a chance while in TPE (perhaps during casual conversation in the elevator or whatever), could you find out if anyone knows what exactly gets damaged? If this is something that can be replaced it would be the best, but it would be very useful information both to the customer and to us if it's something that can be tested (visually, with multimeter, with 'scope) so that the cause of their GTA01's premature death is known. Thanks, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: problem booting to NOR?
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 08:40:55AM -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote: > > Steve, did Al's advice help? Unfortunately, no. Looks like this phone has been bitten by this bug, since all of the evidence matches up: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1568 I'm just not sure what I can do about it - I haven't got a debug board, and I wasn't really planning on buying one. This morning, it occurred to me that I might be able to throw in an SD card to boot off of, which would allow me to flash NAND, but without a safety net of NOR flash to use, I'll have to proceed carefully. Either way, this is still kind of crummy. Is there any information on how widespread this problem is, and is there anything official that Openmoko can do about it? Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ANNOUNCE: Software equalizer for openmoko
On 7/23/08, Russell Sears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've modified gst-plugin-equalizer to use fixed-point arithmetic. very cool > This > means that it's (barely) fast enough to provide bass, midrange and > treble control for ogg files played back via alsa. Do you know about the equalizer functions built in to the hardware? alsamixer shows them. Not as extensive as a software equalizer but no cpu load either. I wonder if there is a gui for this (alsamixer is a curses-style text mode app for those that don't know) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: problem booting to NOR?
Steve Leung wrote: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 08:40:55AM -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote: >> Steve, did Al's advice help? > > Unfortunately, no. Looks like this phone has been bitten by this bug, > since all of the evidence matches up: > > http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1568 > > I'm just not sure what I can do about it - I haven't got a debug board, > and I wasn't really planning on buying one. > > This morning, it occurred to me that I might be able to throw in an SD > card to boot off of, which would allow me to flash NAND, but without a > safety net of NOR flash to use, I'll have to proceed carefully. > > Either way, this is still kind of crummy. Is there any information on > how widespread this problem is, and is there anything official that > Openmoko can do about it? I agree, this is crummy. We're looking into it, although obviously the GPS issue last week took most of our resources. I think progress is being discussed on the kernel list if you are curious, but we will certainly post our solution here, once we figure out what that is. Thanks, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ANNOUNCE: Software equalizer for openmoko
Russell Sears wrote: > I've modified gst-plugin-equalizer to use fixed-point arithmetic. This > means that it's (barely) fast enough to provide bass, midrange and > treble control for ogg files played back via alsa. > > Here's a link to binaries (compiled for the factory image) and the patch: > > http://hedora.ath.cx/moko/ > > It's not hooked into mediaplayer yet, so for now it's only useful for > demos/testing. Any ideas regarding adding a graphic equalizer GUI to > mediaplayer? Most excellent! Thank you! Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeBSD / dfu-util
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Andrew Burgess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Back in the GUI? > This sounds like you booted all the way which is incorrect. > I made the same mistake and there was another post here that also made > that mistake. The wiki is correct but easy to misread. I'll fix it. > > You need to be >>at the boot menu<< on the FR to run dfu-util. > In addition, if you wait long enough on the NAND/NOR u-boot screen the Freerunner shuts down again. I boot into NOR u-boot and then issue the command: sudo ./dfu-util --list This lists the "available devices", of which there should only be one. If you've waited too long, it will say no devices are available. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Problem Making Keyboard Dissapear
I am currently using the multi-touch keyboard, and am having a hard time making the keyboard disappear when I use the webbrowser (in my case, minimo). I have tried altering the /etc/matchbox/session file, as the toggle switch guide suggested, but I am not seeing a button to enable/disable the keyboard. the following is the contents of my session file start - #!/bin/sh SHOWCURSOR="no" openmoko-today & phone-kit & matchbox-window-manager -use_titlebar yes -use_desktop_mode decorated -theme Moko -use_cursor $SHOWCURSOR $@ & matchbox-panel-2 --start-applets systray,startup \ --end-applets keyboard,openmoko-panel-battery,openmoko-panel-gsm,openmoko-panel-gps,openmoko-panel-usb,openmoko-panel-bt,openmoko-panel-memory,openmoko-panel-wifi --titlebar & exec neod end - does anyone see anything obvious that I might have messed up? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Problem-Making-Keyboard-Dissapear-tp578773p578773.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: problem booting to NOR?
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 09:17:10AM -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote: > > I agree, this is crummy. We're looking into it, although obviously the > GPS issue last week took most of our resources. I think progress is > being discussed on the kernel list if you are curious, but we will > certainly post our solution here, once we figure out what that is. Ok, that's about the best I can hope for. Thanks! Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: problem booting to NOR?
Steve Leung wrote: > http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1568 > > I'm just not sure what I can do about it - I haven't got a debug board, > and I wasn't really planning on buying one. You could ask if there's anyone living near you who could lend you a debug board or do the flashing for you. If not, wait for an official Openmoko statement of how to repair/replace your phone. > This morning, it occurred to me that I might be able to throw in an SD > card to boot off of, which would allow me to flash NAND, but without a > safety net of NOR flash to use, I'll have to proceed carefully. A Freerunner without a working NOR flash is basically the same as a Neo1973. It's safe to flash a new kernel or rootfs partition; the risk of bricking the device is only if you update u-boot itself. You do not need an SD card as you suggested above. Flashing is done while you are in the u-boot menu, before you have loaded a kernel or rootfs. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Request for help: Would like community applications to show and discuss at LinuxWorld
Hi, When I talk about Openmoko, one of the points I make emphatically is that the goal of the project is not to create a new cellphone, but rather, that by being open, we allow and encourage innovation, and that by working with you, the open source community, we tap into a huge pool of imaginative, creative, very smart and hardworking innovators. I go on to say that my personal dream is not to see a better way of syncing my Neo to my desktop, or a better way to manage my SMS messages, but rather to see new applications or new uses in areas that I can't even imagine (and I have a pretty wild imagination). Of course following a dramatic statement like this I often get asked what are the cool applications and uses based on the Neo Openmoko. Sadly, because I haven't had the time to try them out, I am actually incredibly ignorant of what our community has done so far. At Linuxworld in two weeks I will have perhaps half a dozen phones at our two booths, and I would love to showcase on each of these one or more of your creations. So here is my plea: Help me decide which ones to put on there! Things to consider, not necessarily in any order, and not necessarily all required: * Shows well in 5 seconds (for those who have no patience) * Easy to install and get running * Innovative, different, unusual * Shows off the more uncommon hardware (GSP, accelerometers), although these are of course becoming more common * Any interesting FR-to-FR apps? Mr. Moore? * In case we have poor connectivity, apps that don't require GSM/GPRS * In case we have poor Wifi, apps that don't require Wifi I encourage discussion of what apps would show well, but don't expect me to make the decisions. (Perhaps I can impose a little more on those of you who volunteered to help at our booths to take a role in helping to decide which apps to show - you have an incentive to do so since it will probably be you doing the showing! Perhaps too you can install these on your Freerunners and test and become familiar with them.) Finally, if you are involved in or have heard of or have an idea for an interesting project or use that can't be shown either because it requires infrastructure (server, connectivity, etc.) or isn't ready yet, please tell us about it so that we can discuss it with the public. Remember, we've been immersed in this community for a year or more, and what seems common to us is still new to most visitors. Thanks, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ANNOUNCE: Software equalizer for openmoko
Andy Green wrote: > That's pretty cool and short patch. I always assumed that we need to > lift the low end so much relative to high end to make a difference, that > we would routinely clip even at medium volume levels. Is it actually OK? Thanks! The gstreamer code is really clean; I thought it'd be a lot more work. I have a set of in-ear sound isolating headphones that are *really* loud at default volume settings. I figured I'd crank up the alsa volume, then lower the midrange and treble bands. With the test program it seems to do an adequate job lowering the high frequencies, though I'll know for sure once I get mediaplayer to use it. I've noticed that it clips and pops pretty severely if I set the gain positive on any of the equalizer channels, so it might be good to expose it as a passive equalizer that only makes the signal quieter. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ANNOUNCE: Software equalizer for openmoko
Andrew Burgess wrote: > On 7/23/08, Russell Sears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I've modified gst-plugin-equalizer to use fixed-point arithmetic. > > very cool > >> This >> means that it's (barely) fast enough to provide bass, midrange and >> treble control for ogg files played back via alsa. > > Do you know about the equalizer functions built in to the hardware? > alsamixer shows them. Not as extensive as a software equalizer > but no cpu load either. I wonder if there is a gui for this (alsamixer > is a curses-style text mode app for those that don't know) I played with it a bit, but couldn't turn the treble down enough... Also, turning the bass up by playing with the filter frequencies led to massive distortion. If there is a gui I'd like to know about it. People on the subway look at me funny when I whip out my laptop to set the volume. :) Also, I'd like to steal some code from it... > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
