Re: USB Kernel problem with latest SHR unstable

[Denis Johnson]

Sorry to reply to my own post. Issue not quite as described.

Between reflashing from 23rd April to 9th, one of the attempts at
connecting also involved a reboot of my Ubuntu host. Which still
failed to allow me to connect with the Kernel from the 2rd. Reflashing
with the kernel from the 9th then worked. However, repeating the
exercise as described bellow, also fails on the Kernel from the 9th.
So something else is still at play here and it may be Ubuntu/host
related.

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Denis Johnson  wrote:
> I'm not sure who or how to report this but since I have gone through
> the test and it has taken some time to resolve.
>
> Flashing the latest SHR image and kernel from
> http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ 23 April
>
> uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119800+0b9d21bf5d05d5dd909425a67a8be2eb1c1fc579-r3.4-om-gta02.bin
>
> I could not connect via SSH over USB from my Ubuntu 8.10 host. lsusb
> on the host could see the neo but could not ifup usb0
>
> Only after reflashing just the kernel back to Apr 9, could I again
> reconnect via SSH. I have not tried kernels posted between those dates
> to work out where the problem starts.
>
> Howver to confirm it, I have reflashed back to the latest 23rd April
> but could not connect, then reflashed back to 9th April and worked
> again.
>
> Both report 2.6.29-rc3 via 'uname -r'
>
> cheers Denis
>

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Re: [QT Extended Improved] GPS Mapping Demo

[Franky Van Liedekerke]

SDL isn't compiled (at least not in my image) ...
Feel free to try though :-)

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:07:00 +0200
Fabio Locati  wrote:

> what about working to allow framebuffer on SDL? maybe is only a
> compiling bug. If SDL could use framebuffer, we could use Navit...
> that is surely a very good navigation system :)
> 
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke
>  wrote:
> > On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:33:56 +0300
> > Mikko Husari  wrote:
> >
> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> >> Hash: SHA1
> >>
> >> Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> >> > But personally I haven't had any luck as well trying to get this
> >> > to work. Other people besides me are trying to build a better gps
> >> > application.
> >>
> >> Moro,
> >>
> >> I stumbled on a new (at least for me) gps app for qte while on a
> >> quest for some examples, I havent yet tested it but just thought
> >> you might like to know...
> >>
> >> http://github.com/Blackhex/qtopiagps/
> >>
> >> - -- husku
> >
> > yeah, I found that one as well, but it doesn't *do* much, now does
> > it ... showing gps numbers is nice, but I need a map :-)
> >
> > Franky
> >
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Re: USB Kernel problem with latest SHR unstable

[Franky Van Liedekerke]

On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:38:59 +1000
Denis Johnson  wrote:

> I'm not sure who or how to report this but since I have gone through
> the test and it has taken some time to resolve.
> 
> Flashing the latest SHR image and kernel from
> http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ 23 April
> 
> uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119800+0b9d21bf5d05d5dd909425a67a8be2eb1c1fc579-r3.4-om-gta02.bin
> 
> I could not connect via SSH over USB from my Ubuntu 8.10 host. lsusb
> on the host could see the neo but could not ifup usb0
> 
> Only after reflashing just the kernel back to Apr 9, could I again
> reconnect via SSH. I have not tried kernels posted between those dates
> to work out where the problem starts.
> 
> Howver to confirm it, I have reflashed back to the latest 23rd April
> but could not connect, then reflashed back to 9th April and worked
> again.
> 
> Both report 2.6.29-rc3 via 'uname -r'
> 
> cheers Denis
>

have you tried "ifup ethx" (with x the number of the new interface)?
I've been told it is eth on the host now, but it doesn't work for me
either ...

Franky

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USB Kernel problem with latest SHR unstable

[Denis Johnson]

I'm not sure who or how to report this but since I have gone through
the test and it has taken some time to resolve.

Flashing the latest SHR image and kernel from
http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ 23 April

uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119800+0b9d21bf5d05d5dd909425a67a8be2eb1c1fc579-r3.4-om-gta02.bin

I could not connect via SSH over USB from my Ubuntu 8.10 host. lsusb
on the host could see the neo but could not ifup usb0

Only after reflashing just the kernel back to Apr 9, could I again
reconnect via SSH. I have not tried kernels posted between those dates
to work out where the problem starts.

Howver to confirm it, I have reflashed back to the latest 23rd April
but could not connect, then reflashed back to 9th April and worked
again.

Both report 2.6.29-rc3 via 'uname -r'

cheers Denis

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Re: [All?] Dictator - the most undemocratic recording and dictation software ever

[matthias]

Al Johnson schrieb:
> On Thursday 23 April 2009, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>   
>>> Would it be possible to have an option which, if set, would
>>> * answer automatically each incomming phonecall,
>>> * play a previously save wav file as a "I not here at the moment blabla "
>>> welcomming message and route it so that the correspondant can hear it
>>> * record the remote guy until he/she stops the call (we need other names
>>> for the files recorded, as -MM-DD_HH-MM_voicebox.wav)
>>>
>>> I do not know it this must be implemented in Dictator, as it is a bit far
>>> from a "dictator" function, but yeahhh, this would be great !
>>>   
>> Seems like what you want is to route the GSM to Asterisk.
>> 
>
> That seems like overkill, unless you're going to be running asterisk anyway. 
> If not it could be a small addition to the dialer program, or a separate app 
> that should be easy to do with fso.
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Yes it is, we just have to add this functionality to the dialer-app or
create another one. (just playing sound using a state routing it to
Mono1 - not playing it back. and then recording after playing a short
signal.) it's not hard to do, even in python.
I think it just hasn't been implemented because each provider provides
some kind of mailbox.
But it would be nice because checking the mailbox is not always free!

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GTA01 question : what capacity of ....

[wim . delvaux]

... Micro SD card does it support ?

I.e. if I buy a 8GB micro SD card, would the GTA01 be able to use it ?

Thx

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Re: letter of recomendation

[Ben Hussey]

Yogiz wrote:
> Seems like a nice recommendation letter, just a couple of observations:
> 
> 1) Letter of recommendation is an official document and thus contracted
> forms are not advisable. "what's" => "what is"
> 2) Isn't two-week trip supposed to be without the dash?
> 3) "Sincerely" and your contacts should be aligned to left as all the
> rest of the text.
> 
> Other then that it looks fine. I might be mistaken about the second
> point, English is not my first language.
> 
> Best of luck to you for your next writing task and I can assure you
> that we all hope that Jodie will get the job! I hope we can read your
> next piece of writing soon.
> 
> Thanks and regards,
> Yogiz
> 
> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:42:39 -0800
> Ben Hussey  wrote:
> 
>> Jodie,
>> Here is the letter; let me know if you need any changes.  I'll print
>> a copy out to sign and have you send out, see you at home!
>> -Ben
Oh man, this is really awkward.  ...Yet somehow awesome; I have new hope 
for the openmoko community.

-Ben

P.S. Thanks for all the proof reading, your pointers are appreciated.


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Re: OpenMoko newbie questions

[David Garabana Barro]

O Xoves, 23 de Abril de 2009, Foss User escribiu:
> I have a few questions on OpenMoko phones. I am planning to buy one.
>
> 1. Which is the default OS that comes in OpenMoko: OM 2007 ?

Don't know at this moment, but mine came with 2007. I think I booted it one 
single time...
I bough it on august 2008

> 2. Do you use the default OS or have you flashed soe other OS of your own?

Depending on the moment, I have up to 4 OS. I like to try new distributions...
At this moment, I have SHR testing on internal memory, and Debian, om2008.12 
and om2009 testing on the sd-card.

> 3. Which OS is known for booting faster than others. I use Debian on
> my laptop and I would want to know how good Debian is for Freerunner?
> Does it boot fast enough?

SHR from NAND (faster than SD): 2m00sec from om logo to desktop
Debian from SD: 3m 50sec from u-boot to 
lxde desktop
OM2008.12 from SD:  1m 05sec from u-boot to desktop
OM2009 from SD (early testing image):   2m 40sec from u-boot to paroli

All boot times measured with u-boot. Qi is significally faster

Android is said to boot in less than one minute with Qi (source: 
http://www.koolu.org/releases/beta4/README)

I have tried some "OM2008 fastboot" image a lot time ago, which booted in 
something like 45 secs.

But don't think on boot time, think on "wake up time". Every modern distro 
wakes up from suspend in someting between 2 to 5 secs.

I use Debian with relative frecuency. Having apt-get on a smartphone is really 
amazing... and SLOW! ;)
But there are a lot of ligh applications which runs smooth enough for using it 
in this "micro laptop" :)
And you can, of course, open an xterm, and use onscreen keyboard or buy one of 
these: 
http://www.tuxbrain.net/shop/product_info.php?cPath=21_22&products_id=50

> 4. Is multi-touch in neo freerunner not availabe because the hardware
> doesn't support it or is it because the software doesn't support it?

No. Screen is not multitouch, but it can be simulated by soft (see linball, 
for example)

> 5. In the OpenMoko Neo Freerunner order page I have two options relevant to
> me.

Already answered before ;)



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Re: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend

[Adam Jimerson]

On Thursday 23 April 2009 08:57:33 pm c_c wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Yorick Moko wrote:
> >>when i try to add my directory it always crashes to desktop
> >>i get no error message whatsoever just a plain crash
> >>it's just one folder with 100+ mp3s
>
>  Could you send me your /home/root/.intone/intone_songs.db? It's probably
> due to
> an inconsistent db. Will help me fix whatever causes this crash.
>  BTW I'm managing around 3.5GB of songs in 25 folders. :-) Thought there's
> always
> a situation where something can happen that I've not catered for.
> Thanks.

While we are on the subject of Intone, I don't know if this was already 
brought up, but Intone shouldn't be able to adjust the FreeRunners volume 
level, while adjusting Intone to a nice volume to listen to music it also made 
my phone so quite I missed several calls because I couldn't hear it ring.  I 
don't know if this was intended but IIRC mplayer has its own volume control 
that Intone can manage.


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Re: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend

[c_c]

Hi,

Yorick Moko wrote:
> 
>>when i try to add my directory it always crashes to desktop
>>i get no error message whatsoever just a plain crash
>>it's just one folder with 100+ mp3s
> 
 Could you send me your /home/root/.intone/intone_songs.db? It's probably
due to 
an inconsistent db. Will help me fix whatever causes this crash.
 BTW I'm managing around 3.5GB of songs in 25 folders. :-) Thought there's
always
a situation where something can happen that I've not catered for.
Thanks.
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Re: letter of recomendation

[Adam Jimerson]

On Thursday 23 April 2009 06:46:05 pm Dale Maggee wrote:
> >> Did you stop to think that maybe this was a coded message for
> >> terrorists? Just sayin.
> >
> > No according to this
> > http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html they use Quake
> > for that XD
>
> *PLEASE* Tell me that article is a joke... Please?
>
> It's absolutely hilarious... *IF* it's a joke... if it's not a joke,
> it's absolutely terrifying...
>

I'm not sure if it is or not I just managed to stumble upon it one day and 
found it hilarious


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Re: [SHR-Testing] /etc/network/interfaces edit question

[Adam Jimerson]

On Thursday 23 April 2009 07:29:46 am arne anka wrote:
> you should be able, to determine the ap associated to by using the iwutils.
> does it also happen, when you execute the dhclient manually?
>

It seems something is not right in my network interfaces is not right, iwlist 
scan on both eth0 and wlan0 (even though it is commented out) produces a 
"Interface doesn't support scanning" so it seems that I don't have eth0 
correctly configured for wireless.


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Re: [All?] Dictator - the most undemocratic recording and dictation software ever

[Al Johnson]

On Thursday 23 April 2009, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > Would it be possible to have an option which, if set, would
> > * answer automatically each incomming phonecall,
> > * play a previously save wav file as a "I not here at the moment blabla "
> > welcomming message and route it so that the correspondant can hear it
> > * record the remote guy until he/she stops the call (we need other names
> > for the files recorded, as -MM-DD_HH-MM_voicebox.wav)
> >
> > I do not know it this must be implemented in Dictator, as it is a bit far
> > from a "dictator" function, but yeahhh, this would be great !
>
> Seems like what you want is to route the GSM to Asterisk.

That seems like overkill, unless you're going to be running asterisk anyway. 
If not it could be a small addition to the dialer program, or a separate app 
that should be easy to do with fso.

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Re: Command-line Yaouh! clone

[Robin Paulson]

2009/4/24 Alex (Maxious) Sadleir :
> This is something OSM should get into. I would like to get all the kinds of
> things Cloudmade offer (navit? osm/xml?) for all of Australia but only for
> my city. Does OSM currently have a way of working out the boundary-box of a
> "city"? If not, I'd certainly help make boxes if there was a web interface
> for sending them in. Either way, someone (OSM? Openmoko community?) could
> automatically offer zip/tar/tbz files of all the tiles needed in the correct
> TangoGPS structure.
>

there are multiple ways to figure out/get the data for the boundary
box of any arbitrary area:
1. go to
www.informationfreeway.org and the lat/lon under your mouse will be
shown as you move it around. you can convert this into an osm download
request via the api (see the osm wiki of rdetails)

2. go to openstreetmap.org and click on export. there are numerous
options there for getting the data

3. have a dig around on wiki.openstreetmap.org there's tons of
information about getting/using the data

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Re: letter of recomendation

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Adam Jimerson wrote:
> On Thursday 23 April 2009 03:42:52 am Ali wrote:
>> On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 10:29 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> Hmm.. suppose this was not planned to be posted to community mailing
>>> list..?
>>>
>>> r
>> Did you stop to think that maybe this was a coded message for
>> terrorists? Just sayin.
>>
> 
> No according to this 
> http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html 
> they use Quake for that XD
> 

*PLEASE* Tell me that article is a joke... Please?

It's absolutely hilarious... *IF* it's a joke... if it's not a joke,
it's absolutely terrifying...


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Re: OpenMoko newbie questions

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> I have a few questions on OpenMoko phones. I am planning to buy one.
> 1. Which is the default OS that comes in OpenMoko: OM 2007 ?

2007.2

> 2. Do you use the default OS or have you flashed soe other OS of your own?

Well, 2007.2, despite being the most stable thing Openmoko has
delivered, is unsupported and quite buggy - seems that stability wasn't
something that they were aiming for. So nobody uses it anymore.

> 3. Which OS is known for booting faster than others. I use Debian on
> my laptop and I would want to know how good Debian is for Freerunner?
> Does it boot fast enough?

Fast? Openmoko?

I think you have this device confused with one that doesn't suck big fat
hairy donkey balls.

> 4. Is multi-touch in neo freerunner not availabe because the hardware
> doesn't support it or is it because the software doesn't support it?

The hardware doesn't support it. Or much of anything for that matter.

> 5. In the OpenMoko Neo Freerunner order page I have two options relevant to 
> me.
> 
> Now, I don't know which one I should be going for. I am from  India
> and we use GSM sim cards here. I use Vodafone SIM card. So which is
> the one I should be buying?

You should go for one that doesn't involve giving Openmoko your money.
For example, I just bought a blackberry, and it's great!

If you buy an Openmoko device, you're buying dead hardware with godawful
software from a dishonest company. Avoid.

Regards,

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Re: Asterisk on Freerunner was: voip on Debian

[David Reyes Samblas Martinez]

> (I'm just thinking how many om guys got the same in the last two years! :)
>
LOL, just as many as distros and alsa states here :)

Great work 


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Re: Asterisk on Freerunner was: voip on Debian

[Nicola Mfb]

2009/4/21 Nicola Mfb :
> 2009/4/19 Nicola Mfb :
[...]
> I'll update about my progress on AMI interface soon.

It's great night for me!
I was able to do my first VoIP->PSTN call with FR, it was to my
girlfriend of course, It may be for love or It may be to not bother
some other guy with an unpredictible  test :)

I used for that my all damned pre-pre-pre-alpha tools I'm writing (and
hope to finish).

The test case is interesting, please be quite with comments, I'm
crazy, not mad :)

I'm from Paduli a small village where I spend my weekends, there I
have ADSL with a voip option to call flat Italy landlines, during the
week I'm far in Naples for my job, there I have only an umts card. To
use voip I have to be connected phisically to the ADSL router, no use
is permitted from public internet, and my provider uses a modifyed sip
protocol.

And now the test scenario.

In Paduli:

*) atheros openwrt/kamikaze powered embedded device up 24h
*) it's connected to a stupid adsl router I cannot change/reflash as
Telecom Italia uses the non standard sip protocol  with a secret
virtual channel for voip.
*) openvpn server with tap layer 2 to make external connections appear
as in LAN :)

In Naples:

*) laptop connected to internet with E220 HSDPA
*) freerunner connected to laptop acting as router with BT/Bnep
(testing my bt manager)
*) freerunner connected to Paduli LAN with openvpn client
*) runned alice-ctl, a tool to fake a Telecom cordless able to connect
to the voip service, based on pivelli python code (I rewrote it in C
before as python did not fit in my embedded atheros device!)
*) alice-ctl enabled a peer on my vpn IP (acting as the fake cordless)
*) asterisk acted as the cordless, built with two patch, the first to
speak the tampered SIP protocol (thanks again to pivelli project), the
second to solve the announced alsa problems
*) launched my very very rude voip dialer that interacts with asterisk
trough the AMI interface

and finally placed the Call!

And now the results:

The call was picked up from my girlfriend father, the result was:
"Hello... Emh are you there... Yes umh. do you hear
me?...  Yes but it's strange" -> "Papi give me the phone!, it was
Nicola with freerunner for sure"

:)))

(I'm just thinking how many om guys got the same in the last two years! :)

A big delay, but superb audio quality, we stayed up for about 15 mins.
I think that it's only a problem due of my absourd networking and
asound.conf tuning as the period/buffer size is huge for a good
latency...

But I'm happy, asterisk runs fine in a real case.
There is a lot to do, please join and contribute, I will happy tho
share everything!

Regards

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Re: OpenMoko newbie questions

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Foss User wrote:
> I have a few questions on OpenMoko phones. I am planning to buy one.
> 
> 1. Which is the default OS that comes in OpenMoko: OM 2007 ?
> 

When I got mine (last december), it had 2007.x and it stayed there for a
few hours, then it got replaced, many times :)

> 2. Do you use the default OS or have you flashed soe other OS of your own?
> 

No, and you should also try as many as possible.

> 3. Which OS is known for booting faster than others. I use Debian on
> my laptop and I would want to know how good Debian is for Freerunner?
> Does it boot fast enough?
> 
No experience with debian on freerunner, it should be just as fast as
others. It all depends on what software you decide to use as a user
interface. In my opinion, Qt Extended Improved feels the fastest but i
was quite pleased with the recent shr-unstables too. Most "phonelike"
would be the Qt Extended Improved.

> 4. Is multi-touch in neo freerunner not availabe because the hardware
> doesn't support it or is it because the software doesn't support it?
> 

This is a hw-issue but there are a few propeller heads which try to
circumvent that by sw.

> 5. In the OpenMoko Neo Freerunner order page I have two options relevant to 
> me.
> 
> Purchase Options
> 
> * GSM 900 ( Promotion, Extras: pouch and headset x 1) $299.00 USD
> * GSM 850 ( Promotion, Extras: pouch and headset x 1) $299.00 USD
> 
> Now, I don't know which one I should be going for. I am from  India
> and we use GSM sim cards here. I use Vodafone SIM card. So which is
> the one I should be buying?
> 

India uses the GSM 900/1800 frequency.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080116131550AASW7Yn
http://www.simoncells.com/scripts/gsmzone.asp

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Re: [shr] sms-sentry not working

[Angus Ainslie]

On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 23:06 +0200, Petr Vanek wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> anybody made sms-sentry working in current shr-testing? i wanted to
> give it a try (since it is included in shr-testing
> (shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2  Apr 19 09:47) but no luck. 
> 
> Could this be caused by different framework version then sms-sentry was
> originally written for? Log attached.
> 

That would be my guess. I'll have a look at it later.

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Re: [Qt Extended] Backup SMS and Contacts

[Fabio Locati]

I have experienced this limit, and there were someone else that wrote
about it... but I can not remember who and where he was. I'm going to
search it ;)

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke
 wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:06:21 +0200
> Fabio Locati  wrote:
>
>> Contacts: /home/root/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite
>> SMSs: /home/root/Applications/qtopiamail/qtopia_db.sqlite
>
> In my case, the sms's are also as plain text available
> in /home/root/Applications/qtopiamail
>
>> btw: on the last daily, the limit is still 140 or so SMSs or you can
>> store as many as you want?
>
> limit of 140 or so??? I never heard/read of this limit before ...
>
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Re: [QT Extended Improved] GPS Mapping Demo

[Fabio Locati]

what about working to allow framebuffer on SDL? maybe is only a compiling bug.
If SDL could use framebuffer, we could use Navit... that is surely a
very good navigation system :)

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke
 wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:33:56 +0300
> Mikko Husari  wrote:
>
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>> Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
>> > But personally I haven't had any luck as well trying to get this to
>> > work. Other people besides me are trying to build a better gps
>> > application.
>>
>> Moro,
>>
>> I stumbled on a new (at least for me) gps app for qte while on a quest
>> for some examples, I havent yet tested it but just thought you might
>> like to know...
>>
>> http://github.com/Blackhex/qtopiagps/
>>
>> - -- husku
>
> yeah, I found that one as well, but it doesn't *do* much, now does
> it ... showing gps numbers is nice, but I need a map :-)
>
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[shr] sms-sentry not working

[Petr Vanek]

Hello,

anybody made sms-sentry working in current shr-testing? i wanted to
give it a try (since it is included in shr-testing
(shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2  Apr 19 09:47) but no luck. 

Could this be caused by different framework version then sms-sentry was
originally written for? Log attached.

Petr
2009-04-23 22:13:25,236 DEBUG init 
2009-04-23 22:13:35,743 ERROR DBus exception   
2009-04-23 22:13:55,818 ERROR DBus exception   
2009-04-23 22:14:05,860 ERROR DBus exception   
2009-04-23 22:14:15,892 DEBUG register 
2009-04-23 22:14:16,523 DEBUG registration failed - waiting 30 seconds 
2009-04-23 22:19:44,538 ERROR Exception in handler for D-Bus signal:   
Traceback (most recent call last): 
  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py", line 214, in maybe_handle_message
self._handler(*args, **kwargs) 
  File "/usr/bin/sms-sentry", line 88, in on_incoming_stored_message   
self.on_incoming_message( sender, contents, properties )   
  File "/usr/bin/sms-sentry", line 100, in on_incoming_message 
self.sms_iface.SendMessage( sender, location, { 'type':'SMS_DELIVER', 'alphabet':'gsm' }  )
  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py", line 140, in __call__   
**keywords)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py", line 622, in call_blocking   
message, timeout)  
DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.KeyError: Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/service.py", line 702, in _message_cb
retval = candidate_method(self, *args, **keywords) 
  File "", line 1, in  
  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/resource.py", line 41, in checkedmethod 
return f(*args, **kw)  
  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/device.py", line 389, in SendMessage   
mediator.SmsSendMessage( self, dbus_ok, dbus_error, number=number, contents=contents, properties=properties )  
  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py", line 228, in __init__
AbstractYieldSupport.__init__( self, *args, **kwargs )  

OpenMoko newbie questions

[Foss User]

I have a few questions on OpenMoko phones. I am planning to buy one.

1. Which is the default OS that comes in OpenMoko: OM 2007 ?

2. Do you use the default OS or have you flashed soe other OS of your own?

3. Which OS is known for booting faster than others. I use Debian on
my laptop and I would want to know how good Debian is for Freerunner?
Does it boot fast enough?

4. Is multi-touch in neo freerunner not availabe because the hardware
doesn't support it or is it because the software doesn't support it?

5. In the OpenMoko Neo Freerunner order page I have two options relevant to me.

Purchase Options

* GSM 900 ( Promotion, Extras: pouch and headset x 1) $299.00 USD
* GSM 850 ( Promotion, Extras: pouch and headset x 1) $299.00 USD

Now, I don't know which one I should be going for. I am from  India
and we use GSM sim cards here. I use Vodafone SIM card. So which is
the one I should be buying?

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Re: [QT Extended Improved] GPS Mapping Demo

[Franky Van Liedekerke]

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:33:56 +0300
Mikko Husari  wrote:

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> 
> Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> > But personally I haven't had any luck as well trying to get this to
> > work. Other people besides me are trying to build a better gps
> > application.
> 
> Moro,
> 
> I stumbled on a new (at least for me) gps app for qte while on a quest
> for some examples, I havent yet tested it but just thought you might
> like to know...
> 
> http://github.com/Blackhex/qtopiagps/
> 
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yeah, I found that one as well, but it doesn't *do* much, now does
it ... showing gps numbers is nice, but I need a map :-)

Franky

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Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 8

[Fabio Locati]

I was NATted and I haven't set iptables. Thanks to Radekp I have
setted it  and now is way more verbose :) thank you

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke
 wrote:
> If you don't see it doing much, then it probably *is* stuck :-)
> I'm guessing it's stuck trying to get the ipkg updates, no?
> Did your phone had internet connectivity configured correctly before
> trying to execute the script (eg. try to do a nslookup of a domain on
> the phone)?
>
> Franky
>
>
> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:49:59 +0200
> Fabio Locati  wrote:
>
>> Franky, I think that your script should me more verbose... It seems
>> stuck but, probably, is working. What's about an output line before
>> executing each command?
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Fabio Locati 
>> wrote:
>> > with Qi the kernel of the 23rd April fails to run SSH. I'm going to
>> > install the 4th April one ;)
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke
>> >  wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:52:59 +0200
>> >> Fabio Locati  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> sorry for double post:
>> >>> uImage-2.6.28-andy-tracking+gitr20+0b9d21bf5d05d5dd909425a67a8be2eb1c1fc579-r4-om-gta02.bin
>> >>> this one is the kernel, isn't it?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> yes, that i the accompanying kernel, but I don't know if ssh works
>> >> already when you install these (I use Qi, not uBoot).
>> >> So, if you install them and use Qi, let me know the result.
>> >>
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Re: [QT Extended Improved] GPS Mapping Demo

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Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> But personally I haven't had any luck as well trying to get this to work.
> Other people besides me are trying to build a better gps application.

Moro,

I stumbled on a new (at least for me) gps app for qte while on a quest
for some examples, I havent yet tested it but just thought you might
like to know...

http://github.com/Blackhex/qtopiagps/

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Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 8

[Franky Van Liedekerke]

If you don't see it doing much, then it probably *is* stuck :-)
I'm guessing it's stuck trying to get the ipkg updates, no?
Did your phone had internet connectivity configured correctly before
trying to execute the script (eg. try to do a nslookup of a domain on
the phone)?

Franky


On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:49:59 +0200
Fabio Locati  wrote:

> Franky, I think that your script should me more verbose... It seems
> stuck but, probably, is working. What's about an output line before
> executing each command?
> 
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Fabio Locati 
> wrote:
> > with Qi the kernel of the 23rd April fails to run SSH. I'm going to
> > install the 4th April one ;)
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke
> >  wrote:
> >> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:52:59 +0200
> >> Fabio Locati  wrote:
> >>
> >>> sorry for double post:
> >>> uImage-2.6.28-andy-tracking+gitr20+0b9d21bf5d05d5dd909425a67a8be2eb1c1fc579-r4-om-gta02.bin
> >>> this one is the kernel, isn't it?
> >>>
> >>
> >> yes, that i the accompanying kernel, but I don't know if ssh works
> >> already when you install these (I use Qi, not uBoot).
> >> So, if you install them and use Qi, let me know the result.
> >>
> >> Franky
> >>
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[neovento] bug in gprs-ui

[Sean holmes]

 the gprs-ui APN field  was to few spaces to  input the t-mobile and other
APN  (internet2.voicestream.com)  with more the 21  spaces don't work other
then that it's a good distro. I hope it gets fixed by the next update. Keep
up the good work

Sean
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Re: letter of recomendation

[Andy Selby]

> Hmm.. suppose this was not planned to be posted to community mailing list..?

I think it was meant for this other list

http://lists.frumppyoldwoman.com/listinfo.cgi/family-frumppyoldwoman.com

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Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 8

[Fabio Locati]

Franky, I think that your script should me more verbose... It seems
stuck but, probably, is working. What's about an output line before
executing each command?

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Fabio Locati  wrote:
> with Qi the kernel of the 23rd April fails to run SSH. I'm going to
> install the 4th April one ;)
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke
>  wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:52:59 +0200
>> Fabio Locati  wrote:
>>
>>> sorry for double post:
>>> uImage-2.6.28-andy-tracking+gitr20+0b9d21bf5d05d5dd909425a67a8be2eb1c1fc579-r4-om-gta02.bin
>>> this one is the kernel, isn't it?
>>>
>>
>> yes, that i the accompanying kernel, but I don't know if ssh works
>> already when you install these (I use Qi, not uBoot).
>> So, if you install them and use Qi, let me know the result.
>>
>> Franky
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Re: bicycling with OpenMoko

[yoyo]

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 02:46:35PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote:
> On Thursday 23 April 2009, Timo Scheffler wrote:
> > After you have something like this [2] you simply glue it on the socket
> > with much hot melt adhesive and there you go. :)
> 
> No. 10 cable cleats are great for fixing things to handlebars too, and very 
> cheap.
> 
> http://uk.farnell.com/pro-power/np10/cable-cleat-pk25/dp/7257399

I was thinking about some kind of a holder for more than half a year,
then I found an old bicycle light with removable bottom and a plastic
cover for the 5 1/4" holes on a computer case...

took a few cable ties and I could finally  attach the neo to my bike..
http://people.ksp.sk/~yoyo/foto/?dir=pict%2F2009%2F04+Drziak+na+openmoko

I was afraid it would not really hold together... but  it survived over
250km this weekend quite well..

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BT Hands Free Kit

[Joerg Eesmann]

Hello there,
I am reading many things about BT-headsets and everything. Is there any
possibility to use the Freerunner together with the Hand Free Kit in the
car? I tried in my car, but the car does not find the Freerunner
(OM2008.12 kustomized).
Has anybody an idea?
I found this http://nohands.sourceforge.net/source.html as a bluetooth
project.

Anything would help:
best would be something like:
... use XYZ.opk and it will work!
in worst case a bluetooth protocol description for hands free kits would
also help.

any idea would be appreciated.
be safe,
Joerg


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Re: [debian] problems with debian and u-boot

[Rask Ingemann Lambertsen]

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:05:55AM +1200, Robin Paulson wrote:
> 2009/4/14 Rask Ingemann Lambertsen :
> >
> >   Make sure the kernel is on a partition completely below 4 GB or use a
> > U-Boot built with this patch:
> > https://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2009-March/009573.html
> 
> agh, that's why. it was on an 8gb partition.
> 
> i must have missed that in the debian documentation/om wiki

   I'm not sure it was a known limitation. A newer U-Boot with the 4 GB
patch is now available in the unstable directory:
http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/NeoFreerunner/u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitrb20cc520a22715fe7ff069b36b7dfdbb925a8e5a-r1.bin

> >   FWIW, even with the above patch, I'm having no success getting U-Boot to
> > read a kernel from a 1 GB partition starting at 6 GB. I'm trying to debug
> > it, though.
> 
> using qi now, but not tried to boot debian yet. cheers rask

   The second problem was that U-Boot can't read ext2 filesystems revision 1
where inodes might not be 128 bytes. In my case they are 256 bytes, so the
inode position is miscalculated. Patch posted:

https://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2009-April/010051.html

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Re: [Qtei] Which IDE for Development?

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Radek Polak wrote:
> Hi Mikko,
> i have already something descibed it in previous mail. But in more
> details it's like that:
> 

Holy Crap Batman!

I saw your first description but I did not realize it was all what was
needed :)


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Re: [QtExtended] Git online

[Fabio Locati]

I see the point ;).

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Radek Polak  wrote:
> Fabio Locati wrote:
>
>> I see :)
>> It would be really cool if there would be only one repository with
>> different branches :) (and maybe a little bit more clear for the n00bs
>> like me ;))
>
> No it wouldnt be very good. That's the reason why Linux kernel uses GIT
> and not SVN. Just check this page:
>
>        http://git.kernel.org/
>
> these are all branches for one single project - linux kernel. It's how
> GIT works. If there was one central repository then we would need to
> agree witch patches can go in and people would break others work. Now
> i just see that person XXX fixed problem YYY and i will merge this to
> my tree. And if i trust that person i will merge his whole tree.
>
> And with github it's really easy to check what everybody did. Check e.g.
>
>        http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/network
>
> You can see how people are branching your tree and that they do changes.
> And you can pull their changes back to your tree. So this is coordinated
> effort and it's very different from times when branching meant forking
> the project (mainly because of disputes between developers).
>
> Radek
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Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 8

[Fabio Locati]

with Qi the kernel of the 23rd April fails to run SSH. I'm going to
install the 4th April one ;)

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke
 wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:52:59 +0200
> Fabio Locati  wrote:
>
>> sorry for double post:
>> uImage-2.6.28-andy-tracking+gitr20+0b9d21bf5d05d5dd909425a67a8be2eb1c1fc579-r4-om-gta02.bin
>> this one is the kernel, isn't it?
>>
>
> yes, that i the accompanying kernel, but I don't know if ssh works
> already when you install these (I use Qi, not uBoot).
> So, if you install them and use Qi, let me know the result.
>
> Franky
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Re: [QtExtended] Git online

[Radek Polak]

Fabio Locati wrote:

> I see :)
> It would be really cool if there would be only one repository with
> different branches :) (and maybe a little bit more clear for the n00bs
> like me ;))

No it wouldnt be very good. That's the reason why Linux kernel uses GIT
and not SVN. Just check this page:

http://git.kernel.org/

these are all branches for one single project - linux kernel. It's how
GIT works. If there was one central repository then we would need to
agree witch patches can go in and people would break others work. Now
i just see that person XXX fixed problem YYY and i will merge this to
my tree. And if i trust that person i will merge his whole tree.

And with github it's really easy to check what everybody did. Check e.g.

http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/network

You can see how people are branching your tree and that they do changes.
And you can pull their changes back to your tree. So this is coordinated
effort and it's very different from times when branching meant forking
the project (mainly because of disputes between developers).

Radek

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Re: [Qt Extended] Backup SMS and Contacts

[Franky Van Liedekerke]

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:06:21 +0200
Fabio Locati  wrote:

> Contacts: /home/root/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite
> SMSs: /home/root/Applications/qtopiamail/qtopia_db.sqlite

In my case, the sms's are also as plain text available
in /home/root/Applications/qtopiamail

> btw: on the last daily, the limit is still 140 or so SMSs or you can
> store as many as you want?

limit of 140 or so??? I never heard/read of this limit before ...

Franky

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Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 8

[Franky Van Liedekerke]

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:52:59 +0200
Fabio Locati  wrote:

> sorry for double post:
> uImage-2.6.28-andy-tracking+gitr20+0b9d21bf5d05d5dd909425a67a8be2eb1c1fc579-r4-om-gta02.bin
> this one is the kernel, isn't it?
>

yes, that i the accompanying kernel, but I don't know if ssh works
already when you install these (I use Qi, not uBoot).
So, if you install them and use Qi, let me know the result.

Franky

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Re: [Qtei] Which IDE for Development?

[Radek Polak]

Mikko Husari wrote:

> Would you mind elaborating the steps of "porting" since your way of
> development sounds good, it removes much of the hassle as its not needed
> to cross-compile every so often. Do you mean by porting that you need to
> make changes to your code, or to just compile it differently?

Hi Mikko,
i have already something descibed it in previous mail. But in more
details it's like that:

Let's say you have working project for X11/QT in QTCreator.

If you want to "port" it to Qtopia, just copy it somewhere and
do:

$QPEDIR/bin/qbuild -project

for this you will need to have working build of Qtopia as is
described here [1]

This will create qbuild.pro for you. Now just type

$QPEDIR/bin/qbuild

and you have binary that is ready to run on Neo. I am also using

#ifdef QT_QWS_FICGTA01
some Neo specific stuff
#endif

It should be quite easy.

Good luck

Radek

[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qt_Extended_Improved

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Re: [Qt Extended] Backup SMS and Contacts

[Fabio Locati]

Contacts: /home/root/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite
SMSs: /home/root/Applications/qtopiamail/qtopia_db.sqlite

btw: on the last daily, the limit is still 140 or so SMSs or you can
store as many as you want?

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Fabio Locati  wrote:
> the SMS are in the sqllite database too?
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke
>  wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Fabio Locati  wrote:
>>> How can I backup my SMS and my Contact list? is possible to export
>>> them in a CSV file, or in some other kind of portable file? (sql or
>>> something similar)
>>> Thank you
>>> --
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>>
>> according to me they are already in a sqllite database (location in
>> /home/root I believe)
>> But for contacts: you can go to your contacts and select "send all as
>> VCF" or something alike, I did this via mail, so the app created a VCF
>> file and sended it via mail to me (don't forget to first configure
>> your mail and send a testmail). Send via bluetooth should work as well
>> (remember the restrictions: only on first boot bluetooth works ok in a
>> 2.6.28 kernel, not after suspend).
>> For the SMS's, I don't know if an export is available, haven't looked at it 
>> yet.
>>
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Re: letter of recomendation

[Yogiz]

Seems like a nice recommendation letter, just a couple of observations:

1) Letter of recommendation is an official document and thus contracted
forms are not advisable. "what's" => "what is"
2) Isn't two-week trip supposed to be without the dash?
3) "Sincerely" and your contacts should be aligned to left as all the
rest of the text.

Other then that it looks fine. I might be mistaken about the second
point, English is not my first language.

Best of luck to you for your next writing task and I can assure you
that we all hope that Jodie will get the job! I hope we can read your
next piece of writing soon.

Thanks and regards,
Yogiz

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:42:39 -0800
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> Jodie,
> Here is the letter; let me know if you need any changes.  I'll print
> a copy out to sign and have you send out, see you at home!
> -Ben

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Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 8

[Fabio Locati]

sorry for double post:
uImage-2.6.28-andy-tracking+gitr20+0b9d21bf5d05d5dd909425a67a8be2eb1c1fc579-r4-om-gta02.bin
this one is the kernel, isn't it?

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Fabio Locati  wrote:
> you suggest this kernel:
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/daily/om-gta02/20090404/
> wouldn't be better:
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/daily/om-gta02/20090423/
> ?
> which of these files have to be downloaded?
> u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitrb20cc520a22715fe7ff069b36b7dfdbb925a8e5a-r1.bin
> ?
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke
>  wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:16:18 +0200
>> Sound Freedom  wrote:
>>
>>> I take a look at the openmoko_install.sh script & it download the file
>>> qte_20090416.tgz instead of the file  qte_20090421.tgz
>>
>> oops ... sorry, corrected and upgraded to qte_20090422.tgz (where more
>> dialogs are correctly taken input on their buttons now)
>>
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Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 8

[Fabio Locati]

you suggest this kernel:
http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/daily/om-gta02/20090404/
wouldn't be better:
http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/daily/om-gta02/20090423/
?
which of these files have to be downloaded?
u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitrb20cc520a22715fe7ff069b36b7dfdbb925a8e5a-r1.bin
?

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke
 wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:16:18 +0200
> Sound Freedom  wrote:
>
>> I take a look at the openmoko_install.sh script & it download the file
>> qte_20090416.tgz instead of the file  qte_20090421.tgz
>
> oops ... sorry, corrected and upgraded to qte_20090422.tgz (where more
> dialogs are correctly taken input on their buttons now)
>
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Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 8

[Franky Van Liedekerke]

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:16:18 +0200
Sound Freedom  wrote:

> I take a look at the openmoko_install.sh script & it download the file
> qte_20090416.tgz instead of the file  qte_20090421.tgz

oops ... sorry, corrected and upgraded to qte_20090422.tgz (where more
dialogs are correctly taken input on their buttons now)

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Re: [QtExtended] Git online

[Fabio Locati]

I see :)
It would be really cool if there would be only one repository with
different branches :) (and maybe a little bit more clear for the n00bs
like me ;))

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke
 wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:47:59 +0200
> Fabio Locati  wrote:
>
>> Is this meaning that you are dropping
>> http://git.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved.git ?
>>
>>
>
> no, it does not.
> I've based my git on that of Radek, and Radek gets his from
> Filip and Karadog. It's all connected :-)
> Consider mine as "alpha", Radeks as beta and Karadog as production :-)
> Not exactly true, but it helps.
> Once Karadog switches to 2.6.28 his and Radeks git will probably merge
> completely. And if Radek pulls in all my changes, then mine is obsolete
> as well.
>
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Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 8

[Sound Freedom]

I take a look at the openmoko_install.sh script & it download the file
qte_20090416.tgz instead of the file  qte_20090421.tgz


2009/4/22 Franky Van Liedekerke 

> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:51:28 +0200
> "giacomo \"giotti\" mariani"  wrote:
>
>
> > >
> > Yours work is great, keep it up!
> > I'm sad: don't being a programmer I can't help you very much;
> > I can only test your fantastic job.
> > I have only a suggestion: like SHR is it possible to use opkg to keep
> > our QTeI updated?
> >
>
> Hi,
>
> opkg can be used to update the base system, but not QtEI itself.
>
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Re: Command-line Yaouh! clone

[The Digital Pioneer]

I second that motion. :P I downloaded the planet.bin vector map just so I
would have it when I got a hold of a app to use it, but I can't figure out
Navit and I like TangoGPS's UI anyways.
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Re: Command-line Yaouh! clone

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Stefan Monnier
 wrote:
> Personally, I'd also want to see Yaouh (or the corresponding
> functionality) integrated into TangoGPS (probably by first making clear
> that the "download" operation only fills holes in the cache and doesn't
> refetch things that are already cached, and then by providing a new
> command "refresh all the tiles in the current area (above and below)").

Personally I'd like to be able to dump tangogps (or similar that uses
png tiles) and use something that's able to render the map from vector
data. ~ something that Navit does but with some functionality that
tangogps has and navit doesn't (easy gui to save track, trip
information etc etc).  This way a LOT of space & bandwith would be
saved if bitmaps wouldn't have to be loaded but a vector map.


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Re: [QtExtended] Git online

[Franky Van Liedekerke]

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:47:59 +0200
Fabio Locati  wrote:

> Is this meaning that you are dropping
> http://git.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved.git ?
> 
>

no, it does not.
I've based my git on that of Radek, and Radek gets his from
Filip and Karadog. It's all connected :-)
Consider mine as "alpha", Radeks as beta and Karadog as production :-)
Not exactly true, but it helps.
Once Karadog switches to 2.6.28 his and Radeks git will probably merge
completely. And if Radek pulls in all my changes, then mine is obsolete
as well.

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Re: [QtExtended] Git online

[Fabio Locati]

Is this meaning that you are dropping
http://git.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved.git ?

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke
 wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I forked the tree of and I've put all my changes online so far:
>
> http://github.com/liedekef/qtmoko/tree/master
>
> My current image is based on this code (except the screenshot app
> isn't in my binary release yet, I'm going to take this in as well next
> time I build it).
> I've also made another change that fixes the problem where you can't
> click on a OK or Cancel button in some dialog boxes. But I haven't put
> it online yet (not a really big thing).
> Now on to the next problem: it seems people don't get the gsm to
> register anymore after switching from Airplane mode. Needs testing and
> investigating, I will take this on.
>
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Re: [Qtei] Which IDE for Development?

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> 
>> how do you run (and debug) the Qte applications on your PC? I know that Qte
>> can be build for qtfb (or something like that) but I had some compile errors
>> and didn't try again. Do you use this?
> 
> I write the application just as normal QT application. Running and
> debugging on regular QT/X11. When i am done with coding and debugging
> i just "port" the application to QTE.
> 
>> How do you import the project into Qt Creator? Is there a project file in
>> the git repository or does Qt Creator work just with the Makefile?
> 
> I start the app as normal QT application. Then i "port" it to QTE.
> This is possible because Qtopia contains all the classes as "big"
> QT has.
> 
> It's my first application and first program that i wrote in C++ so
> there might appear problems with this approach, but right now it
> works just fine.
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Moro,

Would you mind elaborating the steps of "porting" since your way of
development sounds good, it removes much of the hassle as its not needed
to cross-compile every so often. Do you mean by porting that you need to
make changes to your code, or to just compile it differently?

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Re: Looking for a app similar to the Dog Whistle for the iPhone

[Adam Jimerson]

Thanks that is what I was looking for, to bad there isn't a UI or anything
for it.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Stuart Pullinger <
s.pullin...@elec.gla.ac.uk> wrote:

> Adam Jimerson wrote:
> > I mean like playing a tone, the same tone, but at different pitch like
> > 67Hz as an example
> >
> It can be done from the command-line with gstreamer:
>
> gst-launch audiotestsrc freq=67 volume=0.8 ! alsasink
>
> (It's very quiet!)
>
> You may have to install a few extra packages via opkg eg:
>
> opkg install gst-plugin-audiotestsrc
> on shr-testing or using the direct address:
>
> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t/gst-plugin-audiotestsrc_0.10.17-r5_armv4t.ipk
>
> Use:
> gst-inspect audiotestsrc
> fo more info.
>
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RE: [Qtei] Which IDE for Development?

[Roland]

Hello husku,

> This article came as a surprise to me, maybe to you too:
> 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/QtCreator_C%2B%2B/Qt

You are right, I didn't know that article.
So the topic IDE for app development seems to be covered. Does anyone have
an idea for developing apps using the Qtextended specific classes or
Qtextended itself?

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Re: [All?] Dictator - the most undemocratic recording and dictation software ever

[kimaidou]

Yes, why not. As a user, it is not important for me if this is diktaphone or
asterisk which does it. I do not know many things about sounds, routing,
etc., so I cannot argue :D
If asterisk can do it , let's use asterisk ! But we (dumm users) will need
"end-user" simple tuto to achieve some things :D

Anyway, I think it would be a great feature

2009/4/23 Stefan Monnier 

> > Would it be possible to have an option which, if set, would
> > * answer automatically each incomming phonecall,
> > * play a previously save wav file as a "I not here at the moment blabla "
> > welcomming message and route it so that the correspondant can hear it
> > * record the remote guy until he/she stops the call (we need other names
> for
> > the files recorded, as -MM-DD_HH-MM_voicebox.wav)
>
> > I do not know it this must be implemented in Dictator, as it is a bit far
> > from a "dictator" function, but yeahhh, this would be great !
>
> Seems like what you want is to route the GSM to Asterisk.
>
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Re: [Qtei] Which IDE for Development?

[arne anka]

> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/QtCreator_C%2B%2B/Qt

well, you probaly can do with eclipse and trolltech's qt plugin as well.

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Re: [Qtei] Which IDE for Development?

[Mikko Husari]

Roland wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I want to get a little more involved in development for Qtei. Especially
> after Franky's cry for help. Franky: I have to agree with Leonardo - great
> work! To you and everybody else working on Qtei - I'm really impressed with
> the improvements in the last months.
> So why am I writing this mail...
> I have downloaded the sources of Qtextended and also built it a couple of
> times. I also did a checkout of the new git repository and that worked for
> me as well. But any changes I made I had to type into a plain text editor
> and that is kind of annoying.
>
> Is there any IDE one can use for the development?
> Coming from software development with Qt Desktop I think I would be able to
> contribute, but working with a normal editor is not really fun.
>   
This article came as a surprise to me, maybe to you too:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/QtCreator_C%2B%2B/Qt

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Re: Command-line Yaouh! clone

[rhn]

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:45:28 +0200, Helge Hafting 
wrote:
> Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Helge Hafting 
>> wrote:
 These here sound good to me to have around (in Yaouh, too)
 * skipping files modified recently
>>> How recent would that be?
>>> I run yaouh to get the latest tiles where I have updated the map. Of
>>> course, this is often the same tiles as I refreshed a couple of days
>>> earlier. So I think this has to be optional. Some kind of uses need to
>>> check fairly new tiles.

I use the program in exactly the same way. Skipping files is not for sake
of less transfer, but for less time spent on contacting remote servers
(that's the same reason why I believe deleting files long unused is
necessary). As of now, skipping files one day old is completely sufficient
for me. Unless you do many updates every day and the tile server gets
updated quicker than in my area.
The value should be adjustable (including 0) in my opinion.

>> 
 * forcing download empty tiles
>>> What does that mean?
>> 

The current version treats the empty files (size 0) left by tangoGPS as
ones needed to download "by force", that is, not checking for the server
modification date.

>> For example download every tile that has 2 (or 3 or four) neighbors
>> downloaded to 'fill the gaps' in the map.
>> 

That's an interesting idea... unfortunately, the program would need to be
rewritten because it uses recursive traversal of dictionaries now (and I
think Yaouh! does so, too).

> Ah, excellent!
> It'd also be nice to have an option for automatically "zooming out".
> That is, if I have a bunch of tiles at zoom 15 (downloaded using 
> tangogps perhaps) then I want the zoom 14 tiles covering the same area, 
> as well as the zoom 13 tiles, and so on all the way up to the top.
> 
> Of course, the number of tiles quickly gets lower as one goes up, and 
> usually hits a tile that is there already after a few levels.
> 

I think this will be the next thing I implement when I get some free time.

> Another thing that'd be nice to have, is duplicate tile detection.
> There are a lot of "sea" tiles, "empty land" tiles, and probably some 
> tiles containing only forest or similiar. This could save lots of space, 
> but not download time. It'd still be necessary to check if "empty land" 
> suddenly isn't empty anymore.

Is it really that good? Thousands of tiles wold be necessary to make any
real difference, even if the internal storage of a Freerunner is used. A
few megabytes saved when a few hundred is laying there isn't worth the
trouble. Imagine storing modify dates for each sea tile independently when
they are all symlinked to the same file (if you want to use the skipping
functionality mentioned above to save time).

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Re: 16th community update released

[Angus Ainslie]

On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 10:21 +0200, Marc Verwerft wrote:
> Yep , me 2
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Piotr Duda  wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >> We will try to find out what people want. Anybody still downloading the
> >> GTA01 images?
> >
> > yes, me. and there are others. do not forget about us.
> >
> > regards and best wishes.

Now that I have a fully functional gta01 and battery I will be able to
start testing those images. I want to release gta01 iimage with the next
testing release. It may not be the same day as the gta02 image gets
releases but should be shortly after.

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Re: Looking for a app similar to the Dog Whistle for the iPhone

[Stuart Pullinger]

Adam Jimerson wrote:
> I mean like playing a tone, the same tone, but at different pitch like
> 67Hz as an example
>
It can be done from the command-line with gstreamer:

gst-launch audiotestsrc freq=67 volume=0.8 ! alsasink

(It's very quiet!)

You may have to install a few extra packages via opkg eg:

opkg install gst-plugin-audiotestsrc
on shr-testing or using the direct address:
http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t/gst-plugin-audiotestsrc_0.10.17-r5_armv4t.ipk

Use:
gst-inspect audiotestsrc
fo more info.

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Re: Looking for a app similar to the Dog Whistle for the iPhone

[Adam Jimerson]

I am using SHR so I don't know if there is anything like that for my phone.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Ali  wrote:

> On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 11:08 -0400, Adam Jimerson wrote:
> > I am looking for a app like the Dog Whistle for the iPhone that allows
> > you to set a pitch and it plays a note at the pitch, I looked in
> > opkg.org and in the application page in the wiki and didn't see one
> > like that and was wondering if there is one or if it would be a great
> > suggestion for a app for a developer to make?
> If you are using debian or a derivative I'm sure there is something, how
> well the gui will work on the phone is anyone's guess. You could always
> use audacity, but that's overkill.
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Re: cellhunter --- the state of development and future

[Onen]

Hi,

adding to my last comments...

Onen wrote:
> 
> Ok. If I understand you correctly, you would like some kind of anonymous 
> account, where people could upload if they don't want to create an 
> account? Did I understand you correctly?
> 
> Well I have nothing against it, it is a good idea to me. But is it good 
> enough regarding legal aspect? Creative commons license makes you have 
> to put the name of contributors (and possibly link them to the data they 
> provided, not sure about this). Is an anonymous account compatible with 
> this? I guess, if people would upload using a same account, this would 
> be one contributor name, and would legally be ok, isn't it?
> 

Another point against an "open" account: imagine somebody starts 
uploading garbage. Once we notice it. It could be difficult to know what 
to delete, if a lot of people are using this account. I am not very sure 
we could reliably rely on IP address to find out what should be deleted.

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Re: Looking for a app similar to the Dog Whistle for the iPhone

[Ali]

On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 11:08 -0400, Adam Jimerson wrote:
> I am looking for a app like the Dog Whistle for the iPhone that allows
> you to set a pitch and it plays a note at the pitch, I looked in
> opkg.org and in the application page in the wiki and didn't see one
> like that and was wondering if there is one or if it would be a great
> suggestion for a app for a developer to make?
If you are using debian or a derivative I'm sure there is something, how
well the gui will work on the phone is anyone's guess. You could always
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Re: [All?] Dictator - the most undemocratic recording and dictation software ever

[Stefan Monnier]

> Would it be possible to have an option which, if set, would
> * answer automatically each incomming phonecall,
> * play a previously save wav file as a "I not here at the moment blabla "
> welcomming message and route it so that the correspondant can hear it
> * record the remote guy until he/she stops the call (we need other names for
> the files recorded, as -MM-DD_HH-MM_voicebox.wav)

> I do not know it this must be implemented in Dictator, as it is a bit far
> from a "dictator" function, but yeahhh, this would be great !

Seems like what you want is to route the GSM to Asterisk.


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Re: Looking for a app similar to the Dog Whistle for the iPhone

[Adam Jimerson]

I mean like playing a tone, the same tone, but at different pitch like 67Hz
as an example

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Nicola Mfb  wrote:

> 2009/4/23 Adam Jimerson :
> > I am looking for a app like the Dog Whistle for the iPhone that allows
> you
> > to set a pitch and it plays a note at the pitch, I looked in opkg.organd in
> > the application page in the wiki and didn't see one like that and was
> > wondering if there is one or if it would be a great suggestion for a app
> for
> > a developer to make?
>
> If playing notes fits your needs try
> http://tg.gstaedtner.net/projects/euphony.html
>
> Regards
>
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Re: Command-line Yaouh! clone

[Stefan Monnier]

> It'd also be nice to have an option for automatically "zooming out".
> That is, if I have a bunch of tiles at zoom 15 (downloaded using 
> tangogps perhaps) then I want the zoom 14 tiles covering the same area, 
> as well as the zoom 13 tiles, and so on all the way up to the top.
> Of course, the number of tiles quickly gets lower as one goes up, and 
> usually hits a tile that is there already after a few levels.

Yes, that would be welcome.  Actually, more to the point TangoGPS's
"download the view + 4 levels down" should also download the all levels
above (after all, downloading levels "N and above" only take 33% more
time&space than downloading level N).

> If people start doing this a lot, then transparent proxies at the 
> various ISPs will take much of the load. :-)

I haven't heard of any ISP using transparent proxies around here.

> Another thing that'd be nice to have, is duplicate tile detection.
> There are a lot of "sea" tiles, "empty land" tiles, and probably some
> tiles containing only forest or similiar. This could save lots of space,

Yes, on an ext3 filesystem, it would save 4kB per duplicate file.

Personally, I'd also want to see Yaouh (or the corresponding
functionality) integrated into TangoGPS (probably by first making clear
that the "download" operation only fills holes in the cache and doesn't
refetch things that are already cached, and then by providing a new
command "refresh all the tiles in the current area (above and below)").


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Re: [All?] Dictator - the most undemocratic recording and dictation software ever

[Onen]

Hi,

no it is VB on Windows Mobile, AFAIK

Onen

kimaidou wrote:
> Humm.
> 
> Is there a OSMTracker version for the openmoko ? If so, could you please 
> give a link ?
> Thanks in advance
> 
> 2009/4/23 matthias mailto:matthiasfels...@web.de>>
> 
> What about an integration into, let' say tangoGPS, which is written in
> gtk too?
> Another tab for recording voice-notes which are automatically linked
> into the tangoGPS track would be a pleasant solution to me. you could
> convert its track into gpx and upload it the way you like.
> 
> But if OSMTracker does this job already and a daemon would be more
> suitable, maybe it's not worth the work.
> 
> 
> Timo Juhani Lindfors schrieb:
>  > kimaidou mailto:kimai...@gmail.com>> writes:
>  >
>  >> * adding them into the wav file (or ogg file) metadata ? Which
> format ? Have
>  >> you any clue how to do it ?
>  >>
>  >
>  > Just use timestamped recordings and correlate those later against GPS
>  > data. If you to "ask" the GPS for the current location you get
>  > lower/unpredictable precision (important if you are moving fast in a
>  > car for example) and you can not use external GPS device not
> connected to the phone at all.
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Re: Looking for a app similar to the Dog Whistle for the iPhone

[Nicola Mfb]

2009/4/23 Adam Jimerson :
> I am looking for a app like the Dog Whistle for the iPhone that allows you
> to set a pitch and it plays a note at the pitch, I looked in opkg.org and in
> the application page in the wiki and didn't see one like that and was
> wondering if there is one or if it would be a great suggestion for a app for
> a developer to make?

If playing notes fits your needs try
http://tg.gstaedtner.net/projects/euphony.html

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Looking for a app similar to the Dog Whistle for the iPhone

[Adam Jimerson]

I am looking for a app like the Dog Whistle for the iPhone that allows you
to set a pitch and it plays a note at the pitch, I looked in opkg.org and in
the application page in the wiki and didn't see one like that and was
wondering if there is one or if it would be a great suggestion for a app for
a developer to make?
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Re: SHR desktop icon display issue.

[Daniel.Li]

On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 10:40 -0400, Tomas Riveros Schober wrote:
> Well, latest SHR testing does not have Illume SHR listed as a theme 
> anymore (20090422-om-gta02)

Humm.. I don't wanna flash the new image, cause I have added many
packages. So I hope there is a simple solution, change configurations or
copy image files.

And it'll also let me know more about desktop configurations.  Thanks .
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Re: sms message line feed issue

[Daniel.Li]

On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 22:31 +0800, HouYu Li wrote:
> I think it's the word split problem. because there are spaces between
> English words. but it's not the case for Chinese. There should be a
> hard wrap for it.

English message is OK. So I believe that it's a sw bug. Maybe someone
can help to fix the issue. :)

> 
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Daniel.Li  wrote:
> Dear community,
> 
> I found that there is just one single line message. It seems
> it losts
> line feed character.
> 
> Is there anything wrong with the message app?
> 
> 
> http://palfocus.oicp.net/wiki/doku.php?id=blog:daniel:neofreerunner#sms_message_line_feed_issue
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Re: SHR desktop icon display issue.

[Johny Tenfinger]

So then that's the correct bug report :P
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Re: SHR desktop icon display issue.

[Tomas Riveros Schober]

Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann escribió:
> Am Donnerstag 23 April 2009 16:05:43 schrieb Daniel.Li:
>   
>> On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 15:47 +0200, Johny Tenfinger wrote:
>> 
>>> It's not icon issue, it's theme issue. You have selected "Illume"
>>> theme instead of "Illume SHR".
>>>   
>> Sorry, so how can i fix this theme issue.
>> It should be easy, just reset some configurations or copy image files to
>> proper folder. is that right?
>>
>> Please just let me know where or what I have to change. Thanks.
>>
>> http://palfocus.oicp.net/wiki/doku.php?id=blog:daniel:neofreerunner#shr_des
>> ktop_issue
>> 
> you can change the theme with the illume settings (the wrench in the topbar)
>
> Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann
>
>   
Well, latest SHR testing does not have Illume SHR listed as a theme 
anymore (20090422-om-gta02)

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Re: letter of recomendation

[arne anka]

> So please let's not make fun of it. That person deserves our respect and  
> sympathetic silence.

i have a hard time to believe taht -- to me it looks like the very old  
scam, pretendeing to have sent the mail by mistake to the wrong address,  
making people curious and thus either plant a virus or try to sell the  
usual stuff from little helpers to big drugs ...
that's how the other spmas work, too -- and it doesn't matter if it  
happens to land on a linux geek list or a list of grannies exchanging  
voodoo tipps, one in a billion will do what they hope for and that's  
enough of roi.

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Re: sms message line feed issue

[HouYu Li]

I think it's the word split problem. because there are spaces between
English words. but it's not the case for Chinese. There should be a hard
wrap for it.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Daniel.Li  wrote:

> Dear community,
>
> I found that there is just one single line message. It seems it losts
> line feed character.
>
> Is there anything wrong with the message app?
>
>
> http://palfocus.oicp.net/wiki/doku.php?id=blog:daniel:neofreerunner#sms_message_line_feed_issue
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Re: shr-sms-chinese-character-support

[HouYu Li]

Actually restart X is enough


On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Daniel.Li  wrote:

> On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 10:21 -0700, ykstortnilats wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > You need a font that has Chinese characters.
> > For instance I use fireflysung.ttf as my font.
> > Google it and you'll find where to download it.
> > Put the font file into /usr/share/fonts/truetype and you'll be able to
> > choose it in illume-settings.
>
> And reboot :)
>
>
> http://palfocus.oicp.net/wiki/doku.php?id=blog:daniel:neofreerunner#chinese_font_issue
>
> Thanks.
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sms message line feed issue

[Daniel.Li]

Dear community,

I found that there is just one single line message. It seems it losts
line feed character.

Is there anything wrong with the message app?

http://palfocus.oicp.net/wiki/doku.php?id=blog:daniel:neofreerunner#sms_message_line_feed_issue
 
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Re: SHR desktop icon display issue.

[Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann]

Am Donnerstag 23 April 2009 16:05:43 schrieb Daniel.Li:
> On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 15:47 +0200, Johny Tenfinger wrote:
> > It's not icon issue, it's theme issue. You have selected "Illume"
> > theme instead of "Illume SHR".
>
> Sorry, so how can i fix this theme issue.
> It should be easy, just reset some configurations or copy image files to
> proper folder. is that right?
>
> Please just let me know where or what I have to change. Thanks.
>
> http://palfocus.oicp.net/wiki/doku.php?id=blog:daniel:neofreerunner#shr_des
>ktop_issue
you can change the theme with the illume settings (the wrench in the topbar)

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Re: SHR desktop icon display issue.

[Daniel.Li]

On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 15:47 +0200, Johny Tenfinger wrote:
> It's not icon issue, it's theme issue. You have selected "Illume"
> theme instead of "Illume SHR".

Sorry, so how can i fix this theme issue.
It should be easy, just reset some configurations or copy image files to
proper folder. is that right?

Please just let me know where or what I have to change. Thanks.

http://palfocus.oicp.net/wiki/doku.php?id=blog:daniel:neofreerunner#shr_desktop_issue
 
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Re: Command-line Yaouh! clone

[Alex (Maxious) Sadleir]

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Yoann ARNAUD  wrote:

> Risto H. Kurppa a écrit :
>
> > So 300MB of tiles with 30% updated it would generate (5+10*30)*300 kB
> > = 89MB or so.. ok.. I wonder if it's ok for OSM people if people start
> > doing it like this a lot more than they now do.
>
> This has already been discussed in OpenstreetMap Talk-fr. A guy from
> bearstech (Rodolphe Quideville) made a mirror for France and some
> cities, here :
>
> http://prosper.bearstech.com/~rodo/osm/tar/
>
> I suggest you to ask him for adding the cities/countries you need (give
> him x_min x_max... as in info*.php).
>
>
> This is something OSM should get into. I would like to get all the kinds of
things Cloudmade offer (navit? osm/xml?) for all of Australia but only for
my city. Does OSM currently have a way of working out the boundary-box of a
"city"? If not, I'd certainly help make boxes if there was a web interface
for sending them in. Either way, someone (OSM? Openmoko community?) could
automatically offer zip/tar/tbz files of all the tiles needed in the correct
TangoGPS structure.
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Re: Command-line Yaouh! clone

[Yoann ARNAUD]

Risto H. Kurppa a écrit :

> So 300MB of tiles with 30% updated it would generate (5+10*30)*300 kB
> = 89MB or so.. ok.. I wonder if it's ok for OSM people if people start
> doing it like this a lot more than they now do.

This has already been discussed in OpenstreetMap Talk-fr. A guy from
bearstech (Rodolphe Quideville) made a mirror for France and some
cities, here :

http://prosper.bearstech.com/~rodo/osm/tar/

I suggest you to ask him for adding the cities/countries you need (give
him x_min x_max... as in info*.php).


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Re: SHR desktop icon display issue.

[Johny Tenfinger]

It's not icon issue, it's theme issue. You have selected "Illume" theme
instead of "Illume SHR".
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Re: bicycling with OpenMoko

[Al Johnson]

On Thursday 23 April 2009, Timo Scheffler wrote:
> After you have something like this [2] you simply glue it on the socket
> with much hot melt adhesive and there you go. :)

No. 10 cable cleats are great for fixing things to handlebars too, and very 
cheap.

http://uk.farnell.com/pro-power/np10/cable-cleat-pk25/dp/7257399

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RE: letter of recomendation

[Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio]

> 
> 

did anyone check that pdf with a scanner?

> 
> GMail does that for me automatically, but it would be fairly pointless to send
> an infected PDF to a mailing list
> full of Linux folks. There's no way even to tell what app we'll be reading it 
> with. 
 
 
That letter is one of the effects of the economic downturn. They pretend they 
have sent a letter to the wrong place, in the hope that someone will read it 
and give them a job.
 
So please let's not make fun of it. That person deserves our respect and 
sympathetic silence.
 
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Re: Command-line Yaouh! clone

[Helge Hafting]

Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Helge Hafting  wrote:
>>> These here sound good to me to have around (in Yaouh, too)
>>> * skipping files modified recently
>> How recent would that be?
>> I run yaouh to get the latest tiles where I have updated the map. Of
>> course, this is often the same tiles as I refreshed a couple of days
>> earlier. So I think this has to be optional. Some kind of uses need to
>> check fairly new tiles.
> 
> yep, of course optional and as you said, an addition to be able to
> download only tiles updated less than D days would be nice, too, I
> guess..
> 
>>> * forcing download empty tiles
>> What does that mean?
> 
> For example download every tile that has 2 (or 3 or four) neighbors
> downloaded to 'fill the gaps' in the map.
> 
Ah, excellent!
It'd also be nice to have an option for automatically "zooming out".
That is, if I have a bunch of tiles at zoom 15 (downloaded using 
tangogps perhaps) then I want the zoom 14 tiles covering the same area, 
as well as the zoom 13 tiles, and so on all the way up to the top.

Of course, the number of tiles quickly gets lower as one goes up, and 
usually hits a tile that is there already after a few levels.

>>> Does someone actally know how much load it creates on (new :) OSM
>>> servers to update X mb of tiles with y% to be updated? Are there still
>>> ways to decrease this?
> 
>> So with these numbers, you get 5X+10Xy kB or (5+10y)X kB to transfer.
> 
> So 300MB of tiles with 30% updated it would generate (5+10*30)*300 kB
> = 89MB or so.. ok.. I wonder if it's ok for OSM people if people start
> doing it like this a lot more than they now do.

If people start doing this a lot, then transparent proxies at the 
various ISPs will take much of the load. :-)


Another thing that'd be nice to have, is duplicate tile detection.
There are a lot of "sea" tiles, "empty land" tiles, and probably some 
tiles containing only forest or similiar. This could save lots of space, 
but not download time. It'd still be necessary to check if "empty land" 
suddenly isn't empty anymore.

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Re: Command-line Yaouh! clone

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Helge Hafting  wrote:
>> These here sound good to me to have around (in Yaouh, too)
>> * skipping files modified recently
>
> How recent would that be?
> I run yaouh to get the latest tiles where I have updated the map. Of
> course, this is often the same tiles as I refreshed a couple of days
> earlier. So I think this has to be optional. Some kind of uses need to
> check fairly new tiles.

yep, of course optional and as you said, an addition to be able to
download only tiles updated less than D days would be nice, too, I
guess..

>> * forcing download empty tiles
> What does that mean?

For example download every tile that has 2 (or 3 or four) neighbors
downloaded to 'fill the gaps' in the map.

>> Does someone actally know how much load it creates on (new :) OSM
>> servers to update X mb of tiles with y% to be updated? Are there still
>> ways to decrease this?

> So with these numbers, you get 5X+10Xy kB or (5+10y)X kB to transfer.

So 300MB of tiles with 30% updated it would generate (5+10*30)*300 kB
= 89MB or so.. ok.. I wonder if it's ok for OSM people if people start
doing it like this a lot more than they now do.


r

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Re: letter of recomendation

[The Digital Pioneer]

> did anyone check that pdf with a scanner?


GMail does that for me automatically, but it would be fairly pointless to
send an infected PDF to a mailing list full of Linux folks. There's no way
even to tell what app we'll be reading it with.
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Re: Command-line Yaouh! clone

[Helge Hafting]

Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Carlo Minucci  wrote:
>> which funcionality do you want on yaouh? :)
> 
> 
> These here sound good to me to have around (in Yaouh, too)
> * skipping files modified recently

How recent would that be?
I run yaouh to get the latest tiles where I have updated the map. Of 
course, this is often the same tiles as I refreshed a couple of days 
earlier. So I think this has to be optional. Some kind of uses need to 
check fairly new tiles.

> * forcing download empty tiles
What does that mean?

> 
> Does someone actally know how much load it creates on (new :) OSM
> servers to update X mb of tiles with y% to be updated? Are there still
> ways to decrease this?

A tile tends to be 10-30kB. Perhaps 20kB on average? A header check is 
about 100 byte.

So X MB of tiles is about 1000X/20=50X tiles. All 50X tiles get checked, 
so 50X*100 byte is about 5X kB.

Of these 50X tiles, y% gets updated, and is on average 20kB.
so, 50X*y/100*20kB = 10Xy kB.

So with these numbers, you get 5X+10Xy kB or (5+10y)X kB to transfer.

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Re: bicycling with OpenMoko

[Helge Hafting]

ivvmm wrote:
> Hey, seen many messages about audio mapping the OSM with new app called
> 'Dictator' in neighbour thread and so on.
> 
> But the first question that rises here is how to mount the phone on your
> bike?

I have a generic phone holder for cars, that happen to fit the 
freerunner. I plan on attaching the other end to the cycle, shouldn't be 
hard to do.

I have also found that for mapping, bringing the phone in a jacket 
pocket is sufficient. Just get a fix first, as the phone need good 
signal quality in order to download orbital data from the satellites.

Such high quality is not necessary for keeping the fix thereafter, so a 
pocket is fine. Use a headset if you also want to do voice recording 
while bicycling.

Helge Hafting

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Re: bicycling with OpenMoko

[Timo Scheffler]

That's the way to go :)
I made something simple in about half an hour, using this [1] as
insipration.

Just get some Polymethylmethacrylat (PMMA - "Plexiglas" - marketing name
here), a spare socket from a removable light, a jigsaw and a heat gun :)

After you have something like this [2] you simply glue it on the socket
with much hot melt adhesive and there you go. :)

Btw. the hole in the Neo is great to tie it to the holder - just in case
some accident happens or so.

Timo

[1]: http://www.rabenfrost.net/openmoko/bikemount/stencil.svg
[2]: http://www.rabenfrost.net/openmoko/bikemount/100_5593.JPG

Al Johnson schrieb:
> On Thursday 23 April 2009, ivvmm wrote:
>> Hey, seen many messages about audio mapping the OSM with new app called
>> 'Dictator' in neighbour thread and so on.
>>
>> But the first question that rises here is how to mount the phone on your
>> bike?
> 
> I made a mount out of polymorph - a trade name for a low melt plastic that 
> feels similar to nylon, but becomes like putty at ~60C. Someone else routed a 
> recess in a sheet of chipboard. I saw pictures of one made from folded 
> acrylic 
> sheet - very neat! Some have used commercial generic phone/pda holders. You 
> could even go the whole hog and get an Otterbox PDA case with bike mount for 
> all-weather ruggedness. At the other end of the scale someone was using a 
> cable tie through the hole in the phone and round the handlebars!
> 
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SHR desktop icon display issue.

[Daniel.Li]

Dear List,

I found there is something wrong with latest SHR's desktop icon, see
http://palfocus.oicp.net/wiki/doku.php?id=blog:daniel:neofreerunner#shr_desktop_issue
 

Is there anyway to fix the problem? THanks in advance.
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communications with the processor

[Anas Alzouhbi]

hello!
1- could you guide me where I can read about the communication between
the processor and accelerometer (ex. protocole)
2- after connecting a gyroscope to the smarthphone, how can I read
information, like first accelerometer, the information is written
/dev/input/event2

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Re: shr-sms-chinese-character-support

[Daniel.Li]

On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 10:21 -0700, ykstortnilats wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> You need a font that has Chinese characters.
> For instance I use fireflysung.ttf as my font.
> Google it and you'll find where to download it.
> Put the font file into /usr/share/fonts/truetype and you'll be able to
> choose it in illume-settings.

And reboot :)

http://palfocus.oicp.net/wiki/doku.php?id=blog:daniel:neofreerunner#chinese_font_issue
 

Thanks.
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Re: [SHR-Testing] /etc/network/interfaces edit question

[arne anka]

you should be able, to determine the ap associated to by using the iwutils.
does it also happen, when you execute the dhclient manually?

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Re: Pulster Openmoko Shop - new: Bluetooth Keyboard

[Pander]

David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
> 2009/4/22 arne anka :
>>> But I was wondering it if it can be powered from USB when the battery
>>> is full. And if not, how efficient it is to charge and discharge the
>>> battery at the same time.
>>
>> yes, i thought as much -- and was wondering why that should be totally
>> unreasonable (and why the idea did not occur to other peoples).
> I just think that if it will be wired together will be more energy
> efficient to have an usb keyboard than a bt keyboard+bt neo
> antenna+neo battery drained by the keyboard , nevertheless I will try
> to measure how high is that drainage on charge and when battery is
> full charged when I got some free time

If you remove/disable/don't-use the caps lock, scroll lock and num lock
LEDs, the power consumption of an external USB keyboard will be minimal.

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Re: bicycling with OpenMoko

[Nicolas Pichon]

ivvmm a écrit :
> Hey, seen many messages about audio mapping the OSM with new app called
> 'Dictator' in neighbour thread and so on.
> 
> But the first question that rises here is how to mount the phone on your
> bike?
> 

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Biking#Bike_Mounts


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Re: backing up rootfs fails - after 40m FreeRunner continues booting

[Paul Fertser]

Bram Mertens  writes:
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Paul Fertser  wrote:
>> Any particular reason you omitted the list from Cc? Feel free to bring
>> conversation back there, so everybody benefits.
>
> No reason, just hit reply like I did with all other posts.  Only this
> time Gmail didn't address the list but you personally.  Could have
> something to do with the fact that you wrote your reply to me and CC'd
> the list...

That's how the mailing lists are supposed to work. Whenever you mean
to send an answer to the mailing list, you're supposed to press "Reply
All" (it can be called differently but the meaning is the same). That
way you avoid accidentally sending a private e-mail to list
btw. Moreover please take into account that the person you're writing
a reply to may not be necessarily subscribed to the list (and everyone
should be free to send mails to any list he desires to), so in case
you reply to the list directly, the person you address might never
receive it.

> Backing up the rootfs took about 10 minutes compared to +40 minutes
> with dfu-util and the complete image is merely 83M in size, whereas
> the file created by dfu-util is 247M when the backup is terminated due
> to the timeout!
>
> Does this mean that dfu-util backs up the entire disk (which according
> to the output below is approx the size of the resulting jffs2 image)
> and NeoTool only backs up the data that has been written?  However
> even then 83M is less than what's reported in use.
> Or does NeoTool compress the data somehow?

Yes, dfu-util doesn't care about filesystem, files etc, works on the
whole NAND partition. And i guess with NeoTool you're using ssh
actually.

> Perhaps (well actually likely) I'm missing something but as far as I
> understand you need a working distribution before you would be able to
> restore files via SSH.

If your distro works at least somehow, you'll get ssh over usb
access. If not, you can get a uSD image that works.

> Thanks again for the help, I'll play around some more tomorrow and
> will update the wiki based on your suggestions.

Thank you, our wiki really needs to be more accurate. :)

HTH
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Re: bicycling with OpenMoko

[Al Johnson]

On Thursday 23 April 2009, ivvmm wrote:
> Hey, seen many messages about audio mapping the OSM with new app called
> 'Dictator' in neighbour thread and so on.
>
> But the first question that rises here is how to mount the phone on your
> bike?

I made a mount out of polymorph - a trade name for a low melt plastic that 
feels similar to nylon, but becomes like putty at ~60C. Someone else routed a 
recess in a sheet of chipboard. I saw pictures of one made from folded acrylic 
sheet - very neat! Some have used commercial generic phone/pda holders. You 
could even go the whole hog and get an Otterbox PDA case with bike mount for 
all-weather ruggedness. At the other end of the scale someone was using a 
cable tie through the hole in the phone and round the handlebars!


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Re: letter of recomendation

[Adam Jimerson]

On Thursday 23 April 2009 03:42:52 am Ali wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 10:29 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> ...
>
> > Hmm.. suppose this was not planned to be posted to community mailing
> > list..?
> >
> > r
>
> Did you stop to think that maybe this was a coded message for
> terrorists? Just sayin.
>

No according to this http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html 
they use Quake for that XD


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