RE: [openmoko-announce] Shiftd

[Dean Collins]

Wow blast from the past, great to see your name popup in the inbox.

 

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Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 12:18 PM
To: annou...@lists.openmoko.org; community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: [openmoko-announce] Shiftd

 

Dear Community!

 

Today I get to do one of the things I love most about my job; announce

our next product. This time, it's very different from what we've built

in the past. No circuit boards were printed. Steel tooling wasn't cut.

Mass production didn't dent our view of reality. No. This time, ones

and zeros were all it took to assembly Openmoko's fourth product:

shiftd.com - A web service to bookmark, share, and discover videos

worth watching.

 

Like all our previous products, Shiftd started off by scratching a

personal itch. We were fascinated, yet totally overwhelmed by the

shear volume of videos on the web. We desperately wanted a way to

speed up the process of discovering what's worth watching. Existing

tools left us deeply unsatisfied. So we set out to build our own.

 

Currently, we're focused on Shiftd's core interaction model:

bookmarking, sharing, and recommending videos. We have a working

prototype. We're excited about using it ourselves, but we know it's

far from perfect. Like the Neo 1973 many years ago, I want to share

our perspective with you at the earliest possible stage.

 

Longterm, our goal is to bring Shiftd to many different types of

devices and systems. At this point, technically, we have built only a

website, supporting a few videos sites, using Flash not HTML5 video

(yet). We have rough ideas for future improvements, including which

interfaces to open, but no concrete steps have been taken. We are at

the beginning - the time at which we know the least about the project.

Purposefully, we have made the fewest binding decisions possible,

while still maintaining our original vision.

 

Your feedback is critical for us to get this product right. We want

Shiftd's heart to beat from the living process that emerges from the

journey we take together. Your stories, your real reactions, will

intimately grow Shiftd into something great.

 

Sign up today at http://shiftd.com. Start shifting. Tell us what you

like and what you don't like. Personally, I'm really looking forward

to receiving your recommendations (@mosko) and sharing some of my own

favorites with you.

 

Sincerely,

 

Sean Moss-Pultz

 

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FW: Mobile Analytics - April 28th

[Dean Collins]

Just in case anyone on the OpenMoko list is in NY this might interest
you as well.

 

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From: Dean Collins 
Sent: Friday, 11 April 2008 2:54 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Mobile Analytics - April 28th

 

For those of you that have an interest in mobile analytics, come one
come all.

http://mobilemonday-ny.com/2008/04/11/april-28th-at-mobile-monday-ny-soc
ial-search-mobile-analytics/

 

It will be an interesting and fiery night as www.Amethon.com
<http://www.amethon.com/>  and the other vendors have very interesting
and different views on mobile analytics and what it takes to deliver
what you the customers want.

 

Would be great to get some people from the newtech list who actually
have deployed mobile content or are thinking of deploying mobile content
to come along and offer their own opinions.

 

If you want more information on Amethon's solution checkout 
http://www.amethon.com/Content_Common/pg-Mobile-Analytics.seo otherwise
see you on the night.

 

 

 

 

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RE: Coolest thing at ETech (other than Openmoko :-) ): Fireeagle

[Dean Collins]

What its going to be.. is a series of api's to allow you to; 

'provide' your physical location (manual web entry-sms-gps phone
app)

'promote or interact out onto other platforms (facebook,blog, widgets
etc) your location automaticgically.
 
 

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ivo Anjo
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> Subject: Re: Coolest thing at ETech (other than Openmoko :-) ):
Fireeagle
> 
> I couldn't find a great deal of info about it. What is it really? Can
> anyone elaborate further?
> 
> Ivo Anjo
> 
> On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Dean Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > I received a beta invite to it yesterday.
> >
> >  I thought wow sounds neathmmm maybe not - there are no actual
> >  applications available and only supports manual web page entry of
your
> >  location.
> >
> >  Sure there's a bunch of 'potential alpha' api codes but nothing you
> >  couldn't hack together yourself.
> >
> >  Like I said neat concept but came out of beta way way too early.
> >
> >
> >
> >  Regards,
> >
> >  Dean Collins
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> >
> >
> >  > -Original Message-
> >  > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> >  > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh
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> >  > Subject: Coolest thing at ETech (other than Openmoko :-) ):
Fireeagle
> >  >
> >  > Take a look at this and think about what we can do on Openmoko
with
> >  this:
> >  >
> >  > www.fireeagle.com
> >  >
> >  > Still in beta. Drop me a line if you want an invitation.
> >  >
> >  > Michael
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RE: Coolest thing at ETech (other than Openmoko :-) ): Fireeagle

[Dean Collins]

I received a beta invite to it yesterday.

I thought wow sounds neathmmm maybe not - there are no actual
applications available and only supports manual web page entry of your
location.

Sure there's a bunch of 'potential alpha' api codes but nothing you
couldn't hack together yourself.

Like I said neat concept but came out of beta way way too early.

 

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh
> Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2008 3:47 PM
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> Subject: Coolest thing at ETech (other than Openmoko :-) ): Fireeagle
> 
> Take a look at this and think about what we can do on Openmoko with
this:
> 
> www.fireeagle.com
> 
> Still in beta. Drop me a line if you want an invitation.
> 
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RE: Idea of a voice mail application

[Dean Collins]

Lol then you didn't actually visit the Iotum site then.

Nope your tv remote isn't going to be assigning real time relevance
ratings to inbound calls based on current status information.
 

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> -Original Message-
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joerg
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> Subject: Re: Idea of a voice mail application
> 
> Am Fr  29. Februar 2008 schrieb Dean Collins:
> > Can I suggest that you don't really have the processing power
onboard the
> > neo to perform a real intelligent call routing application
> 
> Sorry, but even my TV remote control has "the processing power" for
such a
> simple application. It only needs a RAM update for storing msgs ;-)
> 
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RE: Idea of a voice mail application

[Dean Collins]

... and if your boss heard a message like this - come Monday you'd be 
looking for a new job.

Can I suggest that you don't really have the processing power onboard the neo 
to perform a real intelligent call routing application (and yes I'm about to be 
shot down yet again for suggesting that FIC build a web services component to 
their product offering) - this should be handled off deck in conjunction with 
an on handset processing capability.

For an example of what I'm proposing check out www.iotum.com and their 
blackberry intelligent call routing application.

Oh and if an VC reads this and wants to discuss further I have a full mockup of 
a number of web services applications that should be bundled into the FIC 
platform.


 

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> -Original Message-
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"
> Sent: Friday, 29 February 2008 12:34 PM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: Idea of a voice mail application
> 
> siaPeter Trapp ha scritto:
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > I thought about the possibility of a voice mail installed on the neo.  The
> > idea is to let the application decide if you are reachable for the caller or
> > not. The decision will be done on profiles (time, who is calling, what to do
> > (let it ring or answer directly) ).
> >
> > Eg:
> > Saturday 10:00pm and your boss is calling (and you have a signal)
> > Neo is aware that it is "weekend" and who is calling. It just turns on the
> > voice mail...
> >
> > Dear Boss, actually it is weekend and I just don't want to get some work 
> > right
> > now. Sorry, my neo will not even inform me that you've called. So don't try
> > again later. It would not help until Monday 9am! Have a nice weekend
> >
> >   --- without the possibility to leave a message  ;)
> 
> Cool, but your caller will pay for this.. So maybe it won't be so happy :P
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bye bye wifi hello gifi

[Dean Collins]

so when is openmoko going to implement gifi? :)
 
http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/bye-bye-wifi-hello-gifi.html

 

 

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Unbutu mobile

[Dean Collins]

http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile

 

Any thoughts?

 

 

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FW: Moseycode

[Dean Collins]

Thought this blog post might interest a few people on the openmoko list
as well, although the Moseycode application is designed for the Android
OS there's no reason why it should be possible on OpenMoko as well.

 

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From: Dean Collins 
Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2008 4:46 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Moseycode

 

If you want to see the 3d cube video mentioned below you'll need to go
to my blog at www.collins.net.pr/blog  Otherwise I know this is going to
interest some of you on this list who have been involved with various 2d
code projects. 

 

If anyone reading this runs a marketing company/interactive agency and
would like to understand how/why this is pretty hot stuff contact me to
arrange a briefing session, I've got a commercialization concept that
will blow any client you pitch to out of the water (FMCG preferred).

 

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MoseyCode

So I was hanging out this cold and dreary Saturday afternoon and being
the geek that I am... :)... was just browsing around catching up on 2D
bar coding developments.

I happened to stumble across this link about a new 2D encoding standard
called "MoseyCode"
(in the first breath I went - Oh brother just what we need yet another
2D encoding standard.even if he Tom Gibra is releasing it without
any patent encumberances).

Have a read below
http://thenextweb.org/2008/01/05/moseycode-a-new-chapter-in-mobile-barco
ding/

What was interesting however is this


 
Although Peter's blog post doesn't explain it very well what you are
seeing is the the introduction of a 3rd axis.

Instead of 2d codes just having X & Y axis information, the Moseycode
can tell when the information is 'tilted' and introducing a Z axis.

The Cube in the video above is being superimposed on the Moseycode Card
itself, allowing for a 'visual superimposement' on the Android display
of any object you decide to 'upload' (I have questions about this as per
my post reply below-so looking forward to understanding the
limitations).

Now whilst I have very big concerns about the 'functionality' of this
and the usefulness in a number of situations about this - there are
certain areas where this has some very neat uses.

I wanted to post on my blog the reply I sent to Peter. I will also be
sending Tom Gibara some questions and will post below in the comments
further information as it comes to hand but like I said.interesting
and I thought it might interest a few of you out there.



Peter,
At first I was prepared to dismiss this as yet another proprietary 2d
code.

I read Tom's documentation (as brief as it is) and whilst it has some
interesting points there I think (honestly it's only a guess as the
information provided at the moment isn't enough to actually make a
conclusion) that what is occurring in these videos is the android OS is
downloading visual information from a web server and inserting it into
the x,y,z axis.

Whilst this is neat and 'nice' (particularly the 3 dimensional cube
demonstration- for reasons too lengthy to go into here), it doesn't
allow for 'inbuilt' coding of any more information at 96 bits than other
standards.

2d codes are often about providing information 'on the spot' in a self
contained situation without needing to go 'out elsewhere' to gather
information.

I love that Moseycode is going to be free of patent constraints and I
love the 3d (really the Z axis) component but wonder if this is going to
be enough..would also be very interested in understanding the
ramifications of moving the code to other backward mobile OS (and what
kind of physical constraints are required for the camera hardware).

Thanks for bringing it to my attention, will be looking with interest as
this is further developed.


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WM skins

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Thought this video might interest some people

http://gizmodo.com/339835/pointui-skins-windows-mobile-almost-fixes-the-
os-best-wm-skin-app-ever

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Fluffy Spider Technologies

[Dean Collins]

Can anyone comment on this company?

http://www.fluffyspider.com/resources/press/pr.20070925.0.html

 

I don't know anything about them but I was sent this link from a client
of mine and asked what I know about them (lol of course everyone from
Australia knows each other.that's a joke - it's only Tasmanians that
are related to each other).

 

 

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RE: need someone to develop this....

[Dean Collins]

Exactly, Jeff didn't read the actual email (or doesn't understand
Patents).

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randall Mason
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 12:03 PM
To: List for OpenMoko community discussion
Subject: Re: need someone to develop this

 

Actually, I don't think "shoogle" mentioned the pairing-shaking security
idea.  I thought that they were only creating non visual user interfaces
to things like number of SMSs and battery charge.  The main similarity
is shaking, which maracas and rainsticks both clearly have prior art on
these ideas. 

Randall

On 12/3/07, Jeff Andros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

um, is anyone that's replied on this thread a member of the University
of Glasgow team that developed the software(shoogle)?  I'm guessing not.
it has obviously already been invented, which means that disclosure
arguments are rendered moot by prior art.  Moreover, trying to patent
something that someone else invented is theft of intellectual
property... preventing this is one of the reasons the GPL exists.  If
you want to go forward on this, check with the authors(see below for
contact information) they'd probably be delighted to have community help
in developing it. 

 

Authors(taken from
http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~rod/publications/WilMurHug07Interactive.pdf
<http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/%7Erod/publications/WilMurHug07Interactive.pdf
>  ):
John Williamson
Dept. Computing Science
University of Glasgow
Glasgow G!2 8QQ, UK
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Roderick Murray-Smith
Dept. Computing Science
University of Glasgow
Glasgow G!2 8QQ, UK
and
Hamilton Institute
National University of Ireland
Maynooth, Ireland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Stephen Hughes
Dept. Computing Science
University of Glasgow
Glasgow G!2 8QQ, UK
and
SAMH Engineering

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Nokia

[Dean Collins]

Not Openmoko related but check out this Nokia N series YouTube
commercial.

 

http://www.webanalyticsbook.com/archives/1096 

 

 

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RE: need someone to develop this....

[Dean Collins]

Nope sorry - doesn't work that way. It's been publicly disclosed now.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of GWMobile
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 2:34 AM
To: List for OpenMoko community discussion
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Subject: Re: need someone to develop this

I don't think discussing this here would be considered an open 
disclosure.
Talking on a finite list or limited membership with moderation and thus 
controlled membership is not necessarily open disclosure and not the 
same as a public printing therefore I think it would still be 
patentable.

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 2:33 pm, Dean Collins wrote:
> This is too perfect. What a cool idea - seriously unfortunately now 
> that you've published here is no longer able to be but was worthy of a 
> patenting.
>
> Not only could the method of shaking but the timing of shaking could 
> have been the key.
>
> Eg hold two devices next to each other and shake them up and down - 
> because of the semi-physical connection they would have the same 
> accelerometer readings this couldn't be replicated unless you had 
> someone 'watching' you move them up and down and was copying the 
> movements within the tolerance errors.
>
>
> Regards,
> Dean Collins
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>  
>
>
>
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael 
> Shiloh
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> Subject: Re: need someone to develop this
>>  If Bob (or Alice) hands his (or her) phone to the other, then if both
>>  phones are shaken in the same hand, the acceleration pattern might
>>  provide an extremely unique yet similar signature, not unlike 
>> exchanging
>>  an encryption key.
>>
>>  So if you want to establish a trusted relationship with another Neo
>>  user, the two phones are shaken together until the software indicates
>>  that you have generated a complex enough pattern that has been
>>  recognized on the other.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Michael, this is (I think) brilliant!
>
> We could call it... "the handshake" (OK, anyone who doesn't know why
> that's funny, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handshaking).
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RE: need someone to develop this....

[Dean Collins]

This is too perfect. What a cool idea - seriously unfortunately now that you've 
published here is no longer able to be but was worthy of a patenting.

Not only could the method of shaking but the timing of shaking could have been 
the key.

Eg hold two devices next to each other and shake them up and down - because of 
the semi-physical connection they would have the same accelerometer readings 
this couldn't be replicated unless you had someone 'watching' you move them up 
and down and was copying the movements within the tolerance errors.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 3:35 PM
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> If Bob (or Alice) hands his (or her) phone to the other, then if both 
> phones are shaken in the same hand, the acceleration pattern might 
> provide an extremely unique yet similar signature, not unlike exchanging 
> an encryption key.
> 
> So if you want to establish a trusted relationship with another Neo 
> user, the two phones are shaken together until the software indicates 
> that you have generated a complex enough pattern that has been 
> recognized on the other.

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Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 4:35 PM
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Subject: Re: need someone to develop this
Michael, this is (I think) brilliant!

We could call it... "the handshake" (OK, anyone who doesn't know why 
that's funny, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handshaking).

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RE: need someone to develop this....

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Lol - I love it. Fantastic.


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Subject: need someone to develop this

ok, it's pointless, stupid and probably a waste of resources, but this
has to be developed by somebody:

http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/28/1342248

it's a phone app that reports the remaining battery life, when shaken,
by making sloshing sounds - the more battery, the more 'full' it
sounds

what a wonderfully inventive use of accelerometers

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RE: Sean's impact being felt...

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Yeh well if OpenMoko/FIC hired a decent PR team this wouldn't be an issue.

Lets face it guys, OpenMoko haven't yet passed the geek/hardcore enthusiast 
stage.

Apart from shipping 1000 units they aren't really on the open market. Hell even 
Savaje managed to make it that far at JavaOne in 2005.


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Darwin
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 12:02 PM
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Subject: Sean's impact being felt...

They're crediting Google "and others", but remember that OpenMoko was in 
the public eye for a year before Google came out

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Android videos

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Android videos available here
http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/12/googles-android-os-early-look-sdk-now
-available 

 

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FW: [Dean Collins] Disney going to Japan

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Not openmoko related but interesting - mobile content related
information

 

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From: Dean Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 12 November 2007 1:44 PM
To: Dean Collins
Subject: [Dean Collins] Disney going to Japan

 

CTIA newsletter Monday the 12th of November

Disney to enter Japanese mobile-phone market
<http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/iVcciHrfsYdhjQCibucXdIHi?format=standard>
Walt Disney Co. <http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/iVcciHrfsYdhjOCibucXPLVq>
is teaming up with Softbank Corp.
<http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/iVcciHrfsYdhjPCibucXWabf>  to develop
wireless handsets and content to make inroads in Japan's mobile market.
Under the agreement, Disney will supply animated content and
mobile-phone design, while SoftBank will oversee billing and after-sales
services. CNET/Reuters
<http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/iVcciHrfsYdhjQCibucXdIHi?format=standard>
(11/11) , The Wall Street Journal
<http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/iVcciHrfsYdhjRCibucXmLVT?format=standard>
(subscription required) (11/12)


Interesting that they are making this move after closing down
<http://www.moconews.net/entry/419-disney-mvno-closure-the-history-in-li
nks/>  their USA MVNO though lack of sales/traction in the kids/tweens
market
<http://www.o-meon.com/pages/news&features/n&f_2007/10-02_Disney_Mobile.
htm> .


Cheers,
Dean 

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RE: google open phone platform

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Yep pretty much.

There is a time and a window for technology releases like this and FIC's
time has come and gone. I hate to put it bluntly but; 

It's not hard to think about things like an opensource mobile OS's.

It's not even that hard to convince someone to invest in it.

It is hard to get out Beta and then retail 1.0 but the really hard part
is being able to invest time and time again in new ideas to be on the
breaking edge of technology and innovation.

It was FIC's window 6-8 months ago but now when the industry stalwarts
are crashing at your door it's time to close up shop, sit on the beach
and think of the next coolest thing.

Next time maybe"speed to market' can be part of your business plan.


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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
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> Subject: google open phone platform
> 
> the digg and /. readers here have probably seen it already:
> 
>
http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/live-coverage-of-googles-android-gpho
ne-
> mobile-os-announcement
> 
> looks like google are announcing an open-source linux based phone OS,
> supported by a lot of big names in the hardware industry - htc,
> qualcomm, motorola. no nokia though and no specifics on things like
> open drivers/hardware specs
> 
> is this about to swamp the sterling work of FIC and openmoko?
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RE: Some ideas for the accelerometer

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Kind of like the IBM hard drive accelerometer knock applications (only
in linux unfortunately).

Check out the link here if you haven't seen it before
http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2006/08/knock-knock-whos-there.html 


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> Sent: Friday, 12 October 2007 5:45 AM
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> Subject: Some ideas for the accelerometer
> 
> Hi,
> 
> first, I'm new to this list, hello.
> 
> Second, an the reason to subscribe ;-) I've got an idea for using the
> accelerometer. If it came up before, sorry for the bandwidth.
> 
> But now, for the real stuff.
> The following scenario, you carry your phone in some pocket. Now it
rings,
> but you want it to get quiet quickly. What happens? You start digging
for
> your phone, struggle for the "get quiet" button. Wouldn't it be more
> comfortable to simply knock at the pocket (and therefore the phone),
> detect the acceleration of the shock and shut off the bell? I don't
have a
> Neo to try, but if the accelerometer is sensible enough to realize
such an
> event, it should be quite easy to implement I think.
> If that works, making "knocking the phone" some kind of input event
might
> be the next logical step...
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> kindest regards,
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Buglabs

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Anyone know about this company? http://www.buglabs.net/products

 

 

There is a Yi-Tan conference call about them in 5 minutes but I've never
heard of them.

 

 

 

 

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Palm Refinances with new cash and new blood

[Dean Collins]

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2182983,00.asp
$300 million and Apple's former iPod division chief Jon Rubinstein might
see some new light from this dwindling star.
As a long time fan (now Windows Mobile user) I can only hope so.


Cheers,
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RE: Buglabs

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Well Q4 07 is either 12 days away or 120+12-1 for December 30th
depending on how you look at it :-)

 

If they have just opened up the closed beta process this means they have
some time to go before being available for retail.

 

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Buglabs

 

 

Like I said I'm actively looking to support these guys as I
think it's a great concept but.long way to go.


Are you saying you think Q4 07 is a long way to go, or do you just think
they are being overly optimistic. 

Hank

 

 

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I dont know what you mean by whether they "have" modules yet.
Clearly they are not shipping yet. On the other hand I saw (and held)
modules in person, albeit not plugged in and demonstrated. They said
these were production modules. It sounds like hardware is frozen, or
close to frozen. Moreover, If what they told me in person (and whats on
their website) is true, they will be releasing four modules by the end
of the year. But none of the modules they are publicly discussing is a
cell module. 

Hank


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RE: Buglabs

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Yep I meant that they don't have a ship date (or a frozen date) or even
an open beta yet.

 

Like I said I'm actively looking to support these guys as I think it's a
great concept but.long way to go.

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2007 10:30 AM
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I dont know what you mean by whether they "have" modules yet. Clearly
they are not shipping yet. On the other hand I saw (and held) modules in
person, albeit not plugged in and demonstrated. They said these were
production modules. It sounds like hardware is frozen, or close to
frozen. Moreover, If what they told me in person (and whats on their
website) is true, they will be releasing four modules by the end of the
year. But none of the modules they are publicly discussing is a cell
module. 

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RE: Buglabs

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Not sure if they really have any modules yet - from the discussion
yesterday it's still very alpha days at the moment.

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2007 9:54 AM
To: List for OpenMoko community discussion
Subject: Re: Buglabs

 

 

On 9/17/07, Lalo Martins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Also spracht hank williams (Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:17:51 -0400):
> I also think that using their stuff on openmoko would
> be incredibly cool.
The other thing is they dont have a cell module yet - just wifi. 
 

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Bug Labs - http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2007/09/bug-labs-opensource-hardware.html

[Dean Collins]

I just posted this to my www.collins.net.pr/blog and thought it may
interest a few people on this list...wifi router module anyone?

 

Cheers,
Dean

 

 

 

 

 

I had a really interesting conference call today about a new startup
called http://www.buglabs.net  

They are looking to introduce a modular set of 'devices' that fit
together and along with supporting software will allow you to creat your
own 'opensource hardware mashups'.

So the core 'base unit' is a fully programmable and "hackable" Linux
computer, equipped with a fast CPU, 128MB RAM, built-in WiFi,
rechargeable battery, USB, Ethernet, and a small LCD with button
controls. 

>From there 4 additional modules can be added, gps, video camera, lcd
display, accelerometer/motion sesor being the first 4 for release
(though 81 have been mocked up so far).

The long term concept is if you want a 'weather station with live video
feeds and gps location control you can add various modules together to
deliver what you are looking to achieve.

I have high hopes for the concepts, and wish the guys well as it seems
their hearts are in the right place.though it's going to be a long
(but interesting) road to travel.





 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: application idea: georeferenced photos

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Definitely a great application - and not just for openmoko.

Check on my blog www.collins.net.pr/blog for Microsoft Photosynth as an
idea of what the future could hold with geo-located photos.

I also think any photograph application should be storing photos on an
internet based server along with the co-ordinates and then allow
chronological viewing...as well as other references.


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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OJW
> Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2007 2:00 PM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: application idea: georeferenced photos
> 
> A variant of this idea: try browsing photographs taken in the local
area.
> 
> e.g. imagine you're in a foreign city for the first time and you want
to know
> what's around you, where is interesting to visit, or which direction
looks
> most interesting to wander in.
> 
> You could pull-up a list of georeferenced photographs (flickr, etc.)
and see
> views of the buildings around you from other angles, views of your
position
> from across the river, the view you'll see if you walk down that
street and
> turn the corner...
> 
> Essentially the combination of GPS and mobile photo viewing would give
you the
> power to see around corners.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> OJW
> 
> 
> On Thursday 13 September 2007 08:24, Denis Parchenko wrote:
> > Thursday, September 13, 2007, 12:05:39 AM, Alexey wrote:
> > > On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:57:28 +0200, ian douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> ... which doesn't help any if you're in the air-conditioned
> > >> afore-mentioned airport in Arizona and you want to know how warm
it is
> > >> outside ;o)
> > >
> > > While inside the airport, you also won't get the GPS satellite
signal to
> > > find out where you are.
> >
> >   Is it really impossible somewhere in airport to find out current
> > weather outside? For example on some info-boards...
> >
> > =#=-===-===#=--- - -- -=#=-- - -   -  -
> >  Best regards,
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FW: MobileCampNYC2 - November 10th at the Downtown Conference Center

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BTW any OpenMoko users in New York want to come to this?


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> 
> Hey everybody,
> 
> we are pleased to announce the upcoming MobileCampNYC2, November 10th,
> at the Downtown Conference Center!
> 
> Again we are looking forward to providing you with a day and place for
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RE: asking for project

[Dean Collins]

He may not have come across asterisk before - which isn't entirely an
unreasonable expectation.

 

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From: Mark Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2007 6:11 PM
To: Dean Collins
Cc: List for OpenMoko community discussion;
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Subject: Re: asking for project

 

Hi There,

I am sure all work that is en devoured by the greater community is
valued and appreciated. 

It's called Sip and is already done. (or IAX2 as long as you are
registering with an asterisk server)


Some constructive advice is always the best route I find. 

With regards,

Mark.




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It's called Sip and is already done. (or IAX2 as long as you are
registering with an asterisk server)

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: asking for project

 

I tend to think that a call router that works via a wifi hotspot would
be a really excellent solution. If you can make it work technically, I
would go for it.

On 9/12/07, Vittoria Cozza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello,
here again group of computer science student from University of
Bari-Itay.
still not clear for us what better to implement.
What about these ideas:

1)to offer sms  and/or phone call services not just by GSM network, but 
with WIFI,bluethoot, and so on, in transparent way from the end user
point of view.
We mean: when a person want to make a call, our program should choose
which is the faster and cheaper way to route the call (WIFI, gsm). 
This idea is based on walkie talkie idea in wish list.

2)to implement a tool to support music wifi streaming/sharing (it
reminds to P2P applications)
3)from wish list:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist#Printing_Support
<http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist#Printing_Support> 
4) mobile MESH to create a decentralized network

Wait for your opinions and suggestions.

Vittoria Cozza
PHD student
Bari University- Italy 





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RE: asking for project

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It's called Sip and is already done. (or IAX2 as long as you are
registering with an asterisk server)

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2007 5:29 PM
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Subject: Re: asking for project

 

I tend to think that a call router that works via a wifi hotspot would
be a really excellent solution. If you can make it work technically, I
would go for it.

On 9/12/07, Vittoria Cozza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello,
here again group of computer science student from University of
Bari-Itay.
still not clear for us what better to implement.
What about these ideas:

1)to offer sms  and/or phone call services not just by GSM network, but 
with WIFI,bluethoot, and so on, in transparent way from the end user
point of view.
We mean: when a person want to make a call, our program should choose
which is the faster and cheaper way to route the call (WIFI, gsm). 
This idea is based on walkie talkie idea in wish list.

2)to implement a tool to support music wifi streaming/sharing (it
reminds to P2P applications)
3)from wish list:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist#Printing_Support
<http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist#Printing_Support> 
4) mobile MESH to create a decentralized network

Wait for your opinions and suggestions.

Vittoria Cozza
PHD student
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RE: application idea

[Dean Collins]

I think he means weather to be.

Though seriously I think that people aren't really pushing the
usefulness limits of what can be done with 'permanent tethered
connections'. Most are just repurposing existing apps - think more
pervasive guys.



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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jimmy
> Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2007 4:39 PM
> To: List for OpenMoko community discussion
> Subject: Re: application idea
> 
> Eh...  why would you need to know the current weather if your already
> there, looking at it?
> 
> Jeff Andros wrote:
> > Last night, while I was looking at the monsoon blowing just outside
> > the heat-island... in my open-top jeep... I had an application idea:
> > GPS based weather feeds.
> >
> > on a schedule/when you move into a new area, the phone will go out
to
> > a server and retrieve the weather information for the area you're
in.
> >
> > being able to glance at the today screen and see up-to-date weather
> > data would be nice
> >
> > --
> > Jeff
> > O|||O
> >

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FW: Karl Good is out of the office

[Dean Collins]

Hmmm can someone bounce this idiot.

 

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I will be out of the office starting 15/12/2006 and will not return
until 24/08/2009.

I have now left Symbian. For any urgent issues, in the first instance,
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FW: [newtech-1] RE: [nextNY] BarCamp NYC - kicking off again

[Dean Collins]

Who's going to go and post the "Open Moko" topic for BarCampNYC3?

 

It's only just been announced and there isn't even a date set yet but
lets make sure we get a really big showing from the Open Moko users so
we can spread the word about this really cool technology.

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Dean Collins
Sent: Thursday, 16 August 2007 1:04 PM
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Subject: [newtech-1] RE: [nextNY] BarCamp NYC - kicking off again

 

Whoo Hooo I've been dieing for BarCampNYC 3

For those of you that didn't make it to BarCampNYC 2 here is a blog post
with my perspective of the event
http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2006/10/barcampnyc2.html It was
fantastic and cant wait for the next one (unfortunately I'm in Chicago
next week so wont be able to attend the planning session but will be
happy to assist in finding some sponsorship funding when the time is
right).

As a way of kicking things off I spent about 30 minutes putting together
the http://barcamp.org/BarCampNYC3 start page and made the first
donation of $100.

Great job for stepping up Rachel.

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, 16 August 2007 10:22 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [nextNY] BarCamp NYC - kicking off again

 

I've been talking to a few people over the last few weeks about Barcamp
NYC 3.  Hopefully many of you know about this or have attended in the
past.  If not, take a look round barcamp.org to get the flavour.   After
the first successes, it's about time New York had another ;)

As it is easier to kick-start this with a face-to-face, I'm suggesting
two meeting times for the next week to pull people together and move
from there.  

Session 1: 2pm Sunday 19 August.   Meet north-west corner of Bryant
park, inside park. (corner of 42nd and 6th)
Session 2: 6pm Wednesday Wednesday 22 August. Meet north-west corner of
Bryant park, inside park. (corner of 42nd and 6th) 

Two sessions will hopefully mean that people can make 1of them.  I'll
make both to co-ordinate initial volunteers.

Jobs to be done include (but not limited to)

*   co-ordination
*   sponsorship 
*   venue
*   food sourcing
*   budget management
*   equipment management
*   Logo design
*   T-shirt obtaining
*   set up people 


If you want to be involved in the organising, come to one of the
sessions (If you can't make the sessions, let me know which area you'd
like to work in).   If you want to be involved but don't have the time
to work in the planning, we also look for volunteers on the day to help
set things up, a little bit of wrangling and then close everything down.


regards

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RE: mailing list management

[Dean Collins]

So is that one voteor twoor three.(or however many more
times your email client is going to send the same message over and
over).



:)



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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Torfinn Ingolfsen
> Sent: Wednesday, 15 August 2007 2:49 PM
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> Subject: Re: mailing list management
> 
> Hello,
> 
> On 8/15/07, Allan Savolainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > And another 'pls don't change it'. One would think that in this day
> 
> Here is another voice from the "silent majority" - please do NOT
> change the way the list is set up.
> 
> As for the "reply to" issue - either live with the way your mail
> client do it (as I do with GMail), or change to a mail client that has
> proper support (ie "reply to list").
> --
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RE: Fwd: mailing list management

[Dean Collins]

Maybe not but at least we know not to resend the same email 20
times. over and over..and overand over.

 

 

 

Cheers,

Dean

 

 



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Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2007 10:22 PM
To: Rod Whitby
Cc: OpenMoko
Subject: Re: Fwd: mailing list management

 

 

Do the people suggesting these changes
think that they really know better about how this list should be
set up? 


Yup. 

 

 

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RE: Fwd: mailing list management

[Dean Collins]

Lol - yep shortly followed by the human race all moving back to wearing
skins and living in rock caves.

Doing nothing as a 'reason' is about as dumb as you can get.


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> Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2007 4:26 PM
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> Subject: Re: Fwd: mailing list management
> 
> so I suggest we leave it as it is.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jim.
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RE: mailing list management

[Dean Collins]

I do run filtering in Outlook - but I run it on subject - less processor 
intensive. 

And thanks Casey - I also subscribe to about 5 or 6 other lists and they all 
have subject prefixes as well (and much larger more frequent lists than 
openmoko)

It's a little thing but it's silly not to get this fixed sooner rather than 
later - especially as in the very near time frame I imagine that FIC will need 
to have a number of different lists (newbies, experts, apps, developers, 
commercial) etc



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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Santiago Crespo
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2007 12:10 PM
> To: OpenMoko
> Subject: Re: mailing list management
> 
> El mar, 14-08-2007 a las 11:46 -0400, Dean Collins escribió:
> > Now that the product is launched and you have (or maybe not) some
> > breathing space can we finally get this mailing list configured
> > properly.
> >
> >
> > At the front of each mailing should be a subject pre-fix that says the
> > title of the mailing list
> >
> > e.g." [OpenMoko-Community]: "mailing list management""
> 
> I think that this is not useful at all. If you want to do some filtering
> in your mail client, there are some headers in every mail from maillist
> that would be useful:
> 
> Precedence: list
> List-Id: List for OpenMoko community discussion
> 
> 
> 
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mailing list management

[Dean Collins]

Now that the product is launched and you have (or maybe not) some
breathing space can we finally get this mailing list configured
properly.

 

At the front of each mailing should be a subject pre-fix that says the
title of the mailing list

 

e.g." [OpenMoko-Community]: "mailing list management""

 

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RE: Neo1973 Phase 1 sales / order process / misconception

[Dean Collins]

You hit the nail right on the head Andy. It doesn't take much to keep
people informedergo then you wouldn't have 800 enquiries a day
Harold.


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> Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2007 4:29 AM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: Neo1973 Phase 1 sales / order process / misconception
> 
> 
> It must have taken you 20 minutes to type your email and I don;t think
you
> addressed any of the most basic questions people have asked.
> 
> 
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RE: Instant Messaging + Address Book: presence field?

[Dean Collins]

Hi Jae,

You might want to check out www.e164.org <http://www.e164.org/>  that a
friend of mine built (it's an enum for Asterisk). If you want his
contact details let me know - I'm sure he'd be happy to consult to FIC
for some free handsets.

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jae Stutzman
Sent: Saturday, 4 August 2007 3:34 PM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Re: Instant Messaging + Address Book: presence field?

 

Exactly what i've been thinking about too. Even SMS could go through
XMPP (as a configurable settings)

Anyways, i've registered a few domains thinking about this in the
future.  Not cybersquatting but just keeping our community ahead of the
curve! 

The first was...
opentxt.org the idea here was that people could register their phone
numbers on this site and using gprs or wifi, when users send a text
message it would check to see if the number is listed, if so use some
kind of xmpp to send the sms to the users phone. Similar to the ENUM
lookups for voip, but using xmpp. 

Then came...
commline.org this expanded on the first and allowed multiple
communication ideas similar to the first post in this thread. (ideas:
sending vcards, voicemail directly to phone) 

The possibilities get pretty endless when you can control your own
destiny! The thing that will make this stuff successful is interop with
current desktop communication standards like xmpp and sip. This way
people without openmoko can still be a part of the communication
network. Obviously moko to moko is the best! 

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'Crack'berry Speak

[Dean Collins]

I posted this to my blog www.collins.net.pr/blog 

 

While not entirely on topic I thought some of you may find it funny (or
strike a similar chord) - apologies in advance for anyone whose
sensibilities are shocked at the wording - pure frustration warrants
this course of language.

 

Something to think about as we are building out the OpenMoko community
and associated applications.

 

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'Crack'berry Speak
<http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2007/08/crackberry-speak.html>  


Are you sick of getting 1 or 2 line nonsical replies to your carefully
crafted emails?

You read the reply - and then re-read it to work out what was that
customer/boss/colleague trying to say. I mean didn't he/she read your
comments in the 4th paragraph that explained that question already.

Then you get to the end of the short email to read
"Sent from my BlackBerry(r) wireless device" 

Oh that explains it - the dickhead didn't read my email as much as much
as scanned over it while drinking their iced latte frappucino and
listening to a conference call. And then sent a 'reply all' 2 line
message (with spelling mistakes) to show that they are 'participating'.

Hey dickhead!!! want to do business with me - then better pay attention
to what I say.

Oh and ask your 5 year old how to remove that stupid tag at the end of
your Blackberry emails - it's 2007 already - you're not special because
you own a Blackberry.


Cheers,
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RE: 700 Mhz Spectrum Auction

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-Original Message-
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>Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007 1:23 PM
>To: Mischa Beitz
>Cc: community
>Subject: Re: 700 Mhz Spectrum Auction

>I'm pretty indifferent the the entire thing, and here is why:
>1.  It's the FCC no surprises they like big business, and the ruling
>only makes any difference in one country. 


Actually Mark, it's not just one country as quite a few countries are
freeing up their analog tv spectrum in the next 5 years.



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700 Mhz Spectrum Auction

[Dean Collins]

The most important meeting probably globally regarding the future of
wireless communications happened yesterday.
http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2007/08/700-mhz-spectrum-auction.htm
l 

Any thoughts in the OpenMoko community?

 

 

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RE: 3G sim cards

[Dean Collins]

I don't have a Neo however I do have a AT&T 3G fireball card.I can
definitely confirm that this works in much much older 2g handsets (I
have a few older 2g handsets that I've traded up from over time).

The newest at&t sim that came with my last new handset 6 months ago
(cingular 8525-htc hermes) works in all the other older handsets.



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Sent: Friday, 27 July 2007 1:48 AM
To: Harrison Metzger
Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Re: 3G sim cards

Harrison Metzger wrote:
> Many people (including I) have not been able to get the at&t 3g sim 
> card (the one with the "3g fireball") working in our neos. The older 
> cingular ones do work (they are "64K smart chip"). I dont care if it 
> does 2g, I would like for my at&t sim card to work in the phone. 
> According to the GSM modem it gives error CME 10 (sim card not 
> inserted). any ideas?
Well the AT&T 3G cards are definitely have both a SIM and USIM 
application on them and AT&T do a lot of device testing before approving

the cards so it really should work.

Can you say what the Vendor and Version Number of the UICC is?
This is the 4 digit number beginning with a 2 under the "3g fireball" on

the front of the card.

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FW: OpenMoko e-mail address confirmation

[Dean Collins]

To whoever is running the wiki - the ip address lookup service is
incorrect.

No big deal but if you have people hacking the wiki there will be no way
to actually check their IP address.




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Sent: Thursday, 26 July 2007 10:47 AM
To: Dean Collins
Subject: OpenMoko e-mail address confirmation


Someone, probably you from IP address 88.198.62.104, has registered an
account "Dean.Collins" with this e-mail address on OpenMoko.

To confirm that this account really does belong to you and activate
e-mail features on OpenMoko, open this link in your browser:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Confirmemail/d6d1403a6e
If this is *not* you, don't follow the link. This confirmation code
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RE: OK, the forum is coming..

[Dean Collins]

Howard forums rock - so definitely a good location for it.

No offence to the OpenMoko guys but if it was important and they were
going to put up a forum then should have been done a while ago.



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Krikstone
Sent: Saturday, 21 July 2007 2:38 PM
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Subject: Re: OK, the forum is coming..

Werner hinted at an official forums.openmoko.org.  If people would just
want something temporary, I could probably get an FIC or Linux subform
created at  http://www.howardforums.com/ (500,000 members).  There are
developers and network engineers that post there that can result in
great threads; however, as a warning the overall userbase has become
younger over the years.  Regardless of age, I have not found a better
user resource if you want to do anything with a phone.  I'm amazed at
what people can create to get around current carrier restrictions.


Valerio Bruno wrote:
> i'm tired to read discussion about forum is good or bad.
>
> i think is good:
>
> - can be a central point for new users (users NOT developers)
> - following a thread in a forum it's a lot simpler
> - it can have email notification for reply
> - could be a central point for developers too!
> - other motivations said by other people..
>
> So i'm going to create a forum.
>
> Now, i can set up the forum but i'd need people who want to moderate,
> and some graphics suggestions.
>
> Do you prefer phpBB or Invision ? personally i prefer the former.
>
> If anyone is doing/wants to do the same thing, please advice me (in ml
> or private address); otherwise, who loves forum follows me. i'll wait
> some days before start.
>
> Valerio, Italy
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700Mhz Spectrum

[Dean Collins]

Great article here about the concept of open spectrum I posted a few
weeks ago. Could be very very interesting.

http://machinist.salon.com/blog/2007/07/20/google_fcc/

 

Maybe an Asterisk/OpenMoko tie-in?

 

 

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RE: Openmoko ads now on youtube

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Great job Adam.

 

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Krikstone
> Sent: Wednesday, 4 July 2007 4:59 PM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Openmoko ads now on youtube
> 
> Good and bad, here are some ads for openmoko and the neo1973 I did.
> Sorry for the bad quality on some but there aren't many videos or
> pictures of the neo1973 besides the wiki.  I stayed with the "free
your
> phone," aspect since advertising linux to the public is not going to
work.
> I can make better ones if someone can get me high res photos and video
> (720x480 and above).
> 
> Playlist:
> http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=472DE700A3CC70A4
> 
> Individual:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCQ7dmGuAU8
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQPjfUqp-dk
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qP-K1HOMHk
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S--2HeQqjq4
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpwxzEopg60
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuG2hYiO9AU
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGjY7tigdkA
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR4ezMgRlWo
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZC3mjRW5Tg
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxsVFG7jHI8
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62kLhNngE20
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RE: Advertising/hype

[Dean Collins]

Bzzz lets not get too carried away - are the Neo's going to have te gps
locations of every cinema globally - nope then lets get realistic about
what it can and cant do.

 

Nothing kills a product like overhypeor has someone written code for
a Neo to make me Eggs Benedict in the mornings?

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Kettelhoit
Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2007 6:40 PM
To: community
Subject: Advertising/hype

 

Annother possible scenario:

Neo: Hi, I'm an Neo.
iPhone: And I'm an iPhone.
* iPhone looks on a big map and tries to orientate himself
Neo: What are you doing?
iPhone: I try to locate myself by using Google Maps. 
Neo: Oh, that doesn't seem to be very exciting. I use GPS for that kind
of stuff. Works automatically.
iPhone: GPS, yeah?
Neo: Yes. Oh, wait, I'm entering the cinema. I think, it's better for
me, to switch to stand-by now. See you after the movie. 
iPhone: Oh, bye.
* Neo leaves, iPhone looks on the map again.
iPhone: Oh, here we are! Finally...

You see, I'm not very good in writing scripts, I hope you can
understand, what I mean.

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RE: OpenMokoCamp anyone (after next wave of Neo 1973's arrive)?

[Dean Collins]

Lol - don't feel bad - this was the first thing I thought of as well.

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, 25 June 2007 7:47 PM
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Cc: OpenMoko -- OpenMoko
Subject: Re: OpenMokoCamp anyone (after next wave of Neo 1973's arrive)?

 

Don't mean to be cynical, but is there enough Neo1973 out there to have
a camp?

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RE: Home Brew StarTrek Communicator

[Dean Collins]

Just a reminder about the www.yi-tan.com regarding this and other 3g/4g
phone issues tomorrow Monday 1.30pm USA est. (even thought the webpage
hasn't been updated to reflect this weeks topic yet)

Will also be interesting to hear thoughts on network neutrality as per
the fallout with T-Mobile and Truphone this week.
http://thomashowe.blogspot.com/2007/06/truphone-gets-blocked.html 

 

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Stirling
> Sent: Sunday, 17 June 2007 10:39 AM
> To: Emre Turkay
> Cc: OpenMoko
> Subject: Re: Home Brew StarTrek Communicator
> 
> Emre Turkay wrote:
> > On 6/12/07, Ian Stirling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Using really good coding, in good channel conditions, you may get
20
> >> megabytes a second.
> >
> >
> > Actually 10 MBits/sec = 1.25 MBytes/sec
> 
> Indeed.
> However, in good channel conditions, you can squeeze extra bits into
> each signal period.
> For example, '56K' modems put 7 bits into each signal period.
> 
> Common wifi implementations rarely use only one bit per signal period.
> As the channel noise rises, the number of bits you can fit in to the
> signal period drops.
> As an extreme case, for example, GPS has a 50 bits/second datarate,
and
> a signal rate of 1Mhz.
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RE: Home Brew StarTrek Communicator

[Dean Collins]

Hi Ian,
Thanks for your input.

As discussed in the article the concept of the "freespace" is to
allocate bandwidth to devices that meet 'requirements' but is otherwise
uncontrolled.

Maybe it didn't come across in the blog but the idea is that in this
space you can build alternative devices no longer controlled by a single
entity like the carriers.

But yes your comments about people stepping outside the rules are valid
- hopefully you'll be able to join the conference call with your
thoughts next week.


 

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> -Original Message-
> From: Ian Stirling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2007 8:55 AM
> To: Dean Collins
> Cc: OpenMoko
> Subject: Re: Home Brew StarTrek Communicator
> 
> Dean Collins wrote:
> > With the FCC 700 mhz spectrum coming up soon I thought some of you
might
> > like to join us for the Yi-Tan call next week?
> >
> > http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/home-brew-startrek-
> communicator.html
> >
> 
> Unfortunately.
> Part of the reason mobile phones work reasonably well - 2W will get
you
> some 15Km or so in good conditions - is that they have relatively low
> and controlled noise levels.
> The towers can have beam shaping and are closely planned, so they
don't
> interfere overly with each other.
> The transmissions are closely scheduled, so that interference is
greatly
> reduced.
> 
> With no regulation, people will want applications like - for example -
> streaming music from their home server.
> Collision avoidance technologies help a little.
> But the problem is that you can't do collision avoidance of signals
you
> can't recieve. But those signals still interfere.
> 
> Consider an infinite plane of trancievers, evenly distributed.
> As you go away from the source, the contribution of an individual
> transmitter to your noise level falls off as the distance squared.
> But, the number of sources increases as the distance squared too.
> The noise sums to infinity.
> 
> In practice, it won't be quite that bad - 700Mhz doesn't have infinite
> range, but it can reach hundreds of kilometers especially in some
> atmospheric conditions.
> 
> I don't know how wide the band that is proposed is - say 20Mhz.
> 
> Using really good coding, in good channel conditions, you may get 20
> megabytes a second.
> Neglecting distant interference, and assuming collision avoidance
works
> - you get possibly 10 megabytes/sec shared amongst the users.
> With a 2Km range (say) - if you've got phones scattered every 100m,
then
> there are 300 or so phones in range.
> It doesn't take more than a few percent of these users to be doing
stuff
> like streaming MP3 radio before it basically stops working.
> 
> And then you get people who when their connection stops working, they
> ramp up the power, or ignore collision avoidance.
> It also gets worse as as the noise level rises, the bitrate drops
rapidly.
> 
> Mobile phones don't really have these problems, as they are closely
> controlled by the operator.
> 
> 
> 


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Home Brew StarTrek Communicator

[Dean Collins]

With the FCC 700 mhz spectrum coming up soon I thought some of you might
like to join us for the Yi-Tan call next week?

http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/home-brew-startrek-communica
tor.html

 

 

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RE: standard API for linux phones?

[Dean Collins]

Long overdue and if it is a standard then lets all jump onboard and work
with it from inside rather than throwing rocks from the outside.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Dean

 

 

> -Original Message-

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Paulson

> Sent: Monday, 11 June 2007 7:16 PM

> To: community

> Subject: standard API for linux phones?

> 

> the register has a piece about a draft of a standard API for linux

> phones, concerning basics such as interaction with the address book,

> texting, ui and voice-calling. future revisons to increase the

> coverage

> 

> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/11/lips_mobile_linux/

> 

> and from TFA

> 

> http://www.lipsforum.org/

> 

> does anyone here have any further knowledge about this, beyond the

> blurb on the site? is it worth adhering to, or a thinly-veiled

> atttempt for one company (it's backed by orange) to foist

> propietary/their own standards on everyone else? does it compare at

> all to what the linux mobile group (backed by samsung, motorola and

> others) are trying to achieve? and of course, has it been considered

> for openmoko/the neo?

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RE: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday!

[Dean Collins]

Yep my thoughts exactly - wait until the product is out before trying to
hype it any more.
Enough people know about it already.

 

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Thompson
> Sent: Monday, 4 June 2007 2:43 PM
> To: el jefe delito
> Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday!
> 
> el jefe delito wrote:
> 
> > I hope that we can start to create some buzz about this product!
Being
> > open, being able to work with multiple service providers, being
> > unlocked, being cheaper, being higher-resolution... all of these are
> > benefits that we must PROMOTE.  The quicker we can post on an
article,
> > the higher on the Comments list we will be and the more reads that
> > comment will get.  No one reads Comment #154267
> >
> > Thoughts?
> 
> We need hardware, (and far better softare), not hype.
> 
> Comments don't sell phones, applications do.
> 
> Once we have functional hardware, we can create better software, and
the
> combination of these is far better than any amount of hype or PR.
> 
> Devices like the FIC Neo1973 can be difficult to engineer, so Sean, we
> understand.
> 
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RE: Phone Call Security

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> -Original Message-
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mikko Rauhala
> Sent: Sunday, 3 June 2007 9:09 AM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: Phone Call Security
> 
Either way, at least
> Moko-to-Moko encrypted calls are quite possible to implement, just
that
> somebody (TM) needs to do the work.
> 
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I'll repeat this again - if you use an IAX2 softphone with an asterisk
server in the middle there is no work required.

Asterisk already has end to end encryption built in as standard.

But as you said this is only if your gprs have sufficient bandwidth (and
I'm certainly not sure the Neo cpu has enough horsepower either).


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RE: GPS+sms apps

[Dean Collins]

Why would you need SMS - if you are running a data plan already to track
cell tower and relative position to other Neo users then you may as well
make it a self contained application.

 

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> Sent: Monday, 28 May 2007 4:57 PM
> To: OpenMoko
> Subject: GPS+sms apps
> 
> 
> Is there any existing application which combine sms messaging and GPS?
> It would be pretty cool to get automated alerts whenever a particular
> person is nearby, through a central machine (phone, desktop).  Or to
use
> some sort of automated homing application, where two people are able
to
> lock to each other and the phone guides them, notifying the other
device
> when the route or position has changed.
> 
> Matt
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RE: Salesman & neo1973

[Dean Collins]

Cute story Andrew however can I make another suggestion - you should
have said yes I would like to upgrade to your carrier sir.

 

The mobile handset that I would like to purchase from you is a Neo 1973.

 

If you are able to provide this handset on an unlimited data plan for $X
a month then I would be happy to transfer my business to you today.

 

 

 

Use the system guys - don't fight it.

It's smarter and takes less effort.

 

 

 

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> -Original Message-

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Moss-Pultz

> Sent: Thursday, 24 May 2007 7:35 AM

> To: Andrew P. Loughran

> Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org

> Subject: Re: Salesman & neo1973

> 

> On Thu, 2007-05-24 at 12:12 +0100, Andrew P. Loughran wrote:

> 

> [snip]

> 

> > He said "what's that Sir?" to which I told him, as briefly as
possible

> > that it was a phone that it currently being developed that should be

> > available at the end of the year.  He sounded very confused and said

> > "So tell me how you're designing your own phone Sir?"  I said I
wasn't

> > - it's just once I got it I'd be able to design it myself.

> >

> > At which point he thanked me for my time and actually hung up on me.

> >

> > +1 Andy :)

> 

> Hehe... +1 Sean :-)

> 

> 

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RE: FCC Approval

[Dean Collins]

I wonder what percentage of a device can be pre-assembled and still
constitute a 'kit'

 

Section 15.23 Home-built devices.

(a) Equipment authorization is not required for devices that are not
marketed,

from a kit, and are built in quantities of five or less for personal
use.

(b) It is recognized that the individual builder of home-built equipment
may

means to perform the measurements for determining compliance with the
regulations.

builder is expected to employ good engineering practices to meet the
specified technical

greatest extent practicable. The provisions of Section 15.5 apply to
this equipment.

 

That's about as far as I bothered reading - I'll wait until there is an
official FIC response in the next 24-48 hours about how they intend to
supply orders in the USA before I bother reading any more.

 

 

 

 

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> -Original Message-

> From: Dean Collins

> Sent: Sunday, 20 May 2007 11:12 PM

> To: community@lists.openmoko.org

> Subject: RE: FCC Approval

> 

> Yep - I love how they say we only have a courtesy copy here for you to
view ...

> excuse me?? You're federal government - I pay my taxes - you work for
me!!

> 

> If you don't want to make the rules available in a non proprietary
format then I think

> there should be a rule of the land that says we get to ignore them :)

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Regards,

> 

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> 

> 

> > -Original Message-

> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-

> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Thompson

> > Sent: Sunday, 20 May 2007 9:47 PM

> > To: Joe Pfeiffer

> > Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org

> > Subject: Re: FCC Approval

> >

> > Joe Pfeiffer wrote:

> > > For purposes of the regulations, what exactly is a "device"?  If
the

> > > actual tranceiver is approved (and I assume it is), does that
carry

> > > approval for a phone using it?

> >

> > http://www.fcc.gov/oet/info/rules/

> >

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RE: FCC Approval

[Dean Collins]

Yep - I love how they say we only have a courtesy copy here for you to
view ... excuse me?? You're federal government - I pay my taxes -
you work for me!!

If you don't want to make the rules available in a non proprietary
format then I think there should be a rule of the land that says we get
to ignore them :)


 

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> Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: FCC Approval
> 
> Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> > For purposes of the regulations, what exactly is a "device"?  If the
> > actual tranceiver is approved (and I assume it is), does that carry
> > approval for a phone using it?
> 
> http://www.fcc.gov/oet/info/rules/
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http://barcamp.org/MobileCampNYC

[Dean Collins]

One of the best things about living in New York or more and more
"Silicon Alley" is the amount of really cool technology conferences that
are on.
On Saturday i got to share some time with about 100 or so amazing people
at http://barcamp.org/MobileCampNYC

 

Post here if you want to read more

http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2007/05/mobilecampnyc.html

 

 

One of the interesting takeaways that I got from the event (among
others) was no one there had heard of the FIC or OpenMoko.

 

 

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P.S. Sorry if this is a dupe - sent it a few hours but haven't seen it
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MobileCampNYC

[Dean Collins]

One of the best things about living in New York or more and more
"Silicon Alley" is the amount of really cool technology conferences that
are on.
On Saturday i got to share some time with about 100 or so amazing people
at http://barcamp.org/MobileCampNYC

 

Post here if you want to read more

http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2007/05/mobilecampnyc.html

 

 

One of the interesting takeaways that I got from the event (among
others) was no one there had heard of the FIC or OpenMoko.

 

 

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RE: Sun JavaFx

[Dean Collins]

Hi Stefano,

Sorry for the delayed response been away for a few days. Yep will be
very interesting to see how Sun commercializes the Savaje intellectual
property they purchased from the liquidated assets.

 

One of my clients www.Mexuar.com <http://www.mexuar.com/>  built a
number of applications for the Savaje launch in SF 2006 so we are
watching this recent announcement with anticipation. Will be an
interesting few months to say the least. 

 

 

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> -Original Message-

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stefano Sanna

> Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2007 1:01 AM

> To: community@lists.openmoko.org

> Subject: Re: Sun JavaFx

> 

> Marco Miani wrote:

>  > Hi

>  >

>  > I've  just read this

>  >

>
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=19&entry_id=163
10

>  >

>  > about sun JavaFx  and a mockup of a phone that will be presented

>  > soon  WTF it's a Neo

>  >

>  > somebody knows something more ?

> 

> I think (hope?) it is the new appearance of Savaje platform (+ JavaFX

> scripting).

> 

> 

> Cheers,

> Stefano.

> 

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RE: Widgets: Openmoko/Chumby transproject?

[Dean Collins]

I think Florent's point is that your argument is moot; You can rant an
rave all you want but at the end of the day functionality is more
important than all open source.

Likewise there are going to be commercial applications developed on this
handset as it's not fairy land open source world but a commercial
project being developed here.

 

I think the less religious arguments here the better this project will
beif you don't like it go and write your own gsm stack and then
release it for the community to use.

 

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> -Original Message-

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> Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2007 10:24 AM

> To: community@lists.openmoko.org

> Subject: Re: Widgets: Openmoko/Chumby transproject?

> 

> Florent THIERY writes:

> >> If you're about Macromedia Flash (er, now Adobe), isn't it closed

> >> source?

> >

> >The neo has a closed source real time OS running the GSM part...

> 

> OS?  It's been said pretty consistently that it's a user-mode daemon.

> Still one more piece of closed source software than I like to see, but

> not an OS.

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RE: OpenMoko light web server

[Dean Collins]

Yep, I love when I first started talking about 3rd party off-device
commercial applications 6 months ago everyone said "bo"

 

Now people are truly understanding what I was talking about with Savaje
at Javaone 2006 and now with Openmoko. www.Collins.net.pr/blog

 

The device isn't the exciting part here guys, it's what you can do
off-device with network apps that's exciting.

 

 

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> -Original Message-

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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew S. Hamrick

> Sent: Monday, 16 April 2007 1:12 PM

> To: Richard Boehme

> Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org

> Subject: Re: OpenMoko light web server

> 

> Yeah... there's been some discussion of this already on the SVHMPC
list.

> 

> At first people rejected the idea as being "silly." I mean seriously,

> why would you ever want to put a web server on an embedded device,

> right?

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RE: Brad Smith article

[Dean Collins]

I already did - he's actually written about OpenMoko before (he sent me
a copy of his article (see below).

Not sure why he chose not to mention it in this article.

 

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> -Original Message-

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2007 8:59 PM

> To: Dean Collins

> Cc: OpenMoko Community List

> Subject: Re: Brad Smith article

> 

> On Thu, 12 Apr 2007, Dean Collins wrote:

> 

> > I guess the OpenMoko community need to work on the PR skills,
perfect

> > opportunity for a mention and it got totally glossed over.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > EDITORIAL EDGE:

> >

> > Opening Up the Wireless Handset

> > By Brad Smith, Wireless Week Technology Editor

> >

> .

> >

> > What do you think? Let me know at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> 

> 

> Very interesting, as this speaks to the more common consumer.

> 

> At the end of the article Brad invites feedback.  It would be great if
someone

> with the appropriate skills could respond to Brad and let him know
about

> OpenMoko.

> 

> Michael

 

 

Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2007 5:58 PM
To: Dean Collins
Subject: RE: OpenMoko Neo

 

Yes, I have, Dean. I wrote about OpenMoko in my last ETF newsletter - 

 

Democracy Hits the Mobile Phone

By Brad Smith

The average selling price of a mobile phone keeps going down while the
top five manufacturers continue to squeeze out the smaller players. So,
why would any company want to get into the handset business, and I'm not
talking about Apple's iPhone.

About 1 billion phones were sold in 2006, but 84 percent of those were
sold by Nokia, Motorola, Samsung, LG and Sony Ericsson, according to
Telecom Trends International. The other manufacturers actually had a
negative 19 percent growth in 2006.

This shrinking competitive field might discourage some, but not a
company called OpenMoko and its partners. OpenMoko is a corporation but
it's more of a community that makes one think of the early days of the
Internet and geeks working in their garages. It's been in development
for some time but just recently came out with its first smartphone,
although for a select audience. 

OpenMoko is the brainchild of a self-described "surfer boy who wound up
washed ashore in Taiwan." It is an open source mobile communications
platform using Linux at its heart. Its main partner is the Taiwanese
device manufacturer First International Computer (FIC), which has
started producing the Neo1973 handset running the OpenMoko platform.

The first handsets, just a few dozen, have been distributed free of
charge to those in the developer community to play with. More will go on
sale by the end of the month, again targeting open source developers, at
a cost of about $350. Then, sometime in September if plans work out,
OpenMoko handsets will hit some retail outlets as well as being sold
online.

What I know about the Neo1973 is based on what I've read on OpenMoko's
wiki and webpage. It's a quad-band GSM phone so it will work anywhere in
the world. It has GPS built in, a 2.8-inch VGA touch screen (take that,
iPhone), an application manager (through partner Funambol) and standard
PIM applications like e-mail, contacts and calendar.

OpenMoko was born in the brain of Sean Moss-Pultz, the aforementioned
surfer dude. He says OpenMoko will take mobile handsets into a world
that is as open as the PC, where "mobile applications are equally as
diverse and more easily accessible" than they are now.

"Ringtones are already a multi-billion dollar market," Moss-Pultz says.
"We think downloading mobile applications on an open platform will be
even bigger."

OpenMoko isn't the only outfit working on mobile Linux, which actually
has a larger ecosystem than one might expect. Among the companies
already out there are A La Mobile, Trolltech, PalmSource and Motorola.
Nokia is deeply involved in the open source Eclipse Foundation, as is
Motorola. Panasonic and NEC are the leading handset manufacturers using
Linux.

I have no idea what OpenMoko's business plan is, assuming it has one.
And I've got no idea if OpenMoko will succeed in finding what likely
will be a niche market. But what makes it attractive, at least at the
gut level, is its seeming wide-eyed, brash but innocent, democratic view
of what a mobile phone should be. That's refreshing.

 

 



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Brad Smith article

[Dean Collins]

I guess the OpenMoko community need to work on the PR skills, perfect
opportunity for a mention and it got totally glossed over.

 

 

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EDITORIAL EDGE:

 Opening Up the Wireless Handset
By Brad Smith, Wireless Week Technology Editor 

I don't like to be one to hype a technology, but you have to feel the
energy building behind Linux for mobile phones. Part of that is due to
the announcement by smartphone maker Palm it will use Linux in future
phones.

Palm's news, which came during an analyst call on the company's
financials, was interesting for two reasons. First, people (myself
included) have been wondering what Palm was going to do with its
user-friendly Palm OS. Palm essentially acquired the latest OS, a
5-year-old version called Garnet, from Access, which purchased
PalmSource. Apparently Palm wanted Garnet to be able to support its use
on the current crop of Treos, but it looks like Garnet will not father a
child.

CEO Ed Colligan says Palm now plans to use Linux in future Treos so the
handsets can handle both voice calls and data at the same time. Colligan
says Palm also will continue to make Treos based on the Microsoft
Windows Mobile OS, which have been pretty successful over the last year
or so. Colligan also predicted the worldwide smartphone market will grow
to a $36 billion business by 2009 and Palm wants a bigger global share.

Palm's announcement, of course, also was of interest as an example of
the building interest in recent months in the use mobile Linux. The
analyst firm ABI is predicting major growth for mobile Linux in the
years ahead. In a report before Palm's announcement, ABI said more than
127 million Linux handsets will be sold by 2012, compared to 8.1 million
this year.

"Linux in the cellular phone is not a question of 'if', but 'when',"
says ABI research director Stuart Carlaw.

There are a number of other options for mobile Linux, including
Trolltech's GreenSuite and the Access Linux Platform (why didn't Palm go
with it?). And Nokia, which has been getting more and more into open
source software, also has joined the Linux Foundation. Nokia uses Linux
in its Internet Tablet, a version of which could wind up on Sprint's
WiMAX network. Nokia also has started distributing a software developer
kit that can be used to make it easier to port Linux projects to Symbian
OS smartphones.

It all spells growing interest in mobile Linux. As IMS Research analyst
Alison Bogle says, handset manufacturers cannot afford to ignore Linux
for future handsets. Time will tell, but Linux apparently is going to
become a bigger force in the mobile world.

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RE: [News] Dash, the internet-connected gps

[Dean Collins]

Yep, coding easy to do however issues are-

Mapping of roads and associated speed limits, almost non existent in the
commercial space let alone in the open source space.

Penetration, with only a few thousand Neo's in the USA by the end of 07
(if that) and maybe 20-30,000 by the end of 08 there will not be enough
penetration to deliver the accuracy you need.

It's a good idea but as we come closer to the commercial launch I think
it's time for us to get a little more realistic about what is and isn't
possible (at least in the first 3-5 years).

Put it into your ideas drawer and bring it out later (or go and code a
blackberry/windows mobile 5/symbian alternative to get the numbers you
require)



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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Florent THIERY
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2007 8:06 AM
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> Subject: Re: [News] Dash, the internet-connected gps
> 
> > The issue with traffic movements is you really need the cell tower
> > movement information from carriers, without this these traffic flows
are
> > at best an estimation.
> 
> As for openmoko:
> 
> What about, in car GPS mode, reporting unusual speed fluctuations?
> 
> Ex: you're on a 130 km/h road, and your gps reports 40 km/h = traffic
> jam. gprs link up, upload info + timestamp to community server
> 
> When you query a car travel planning (i.e. ask your gps app to show
> you the way somewhere), do a simple query to the community traffic jam
> server; if the chosen path shows quite recent alerts, it would
> calculate an alternate ununcombered road.
> This could also be used periodically...
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RE: Canada OpenMoko

[Dean Collins]

Hey Chris,

Welcome and yep there are quite a few of us Asterisk users on the
listI'm sure there will be no end to the Neo/Asterisk integration
and application development :-)

 

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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Fazekas

> Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2007 3:07 AM

> To: community@lists.openmoko.org

> Subject: Canada OpenMoko

> 

> Hey all,

> 

> I'm Chris, resident of Calgary, Alberta Canada.  I'm a Linux geek, I

> confess.  I currently work for some big oil and gas companies as a

> Linux systems administrator, and Backup & Storage admin.  I have some

> experience kernel hacking.  I use Debian, Ubuntu, Red Hat, and OSX.

> My diploma says that I'm a "computer programmer" but I'm positive its

> all a big farce and a conspiracy.

> 

> I would love to get involved with the project.  My main area's of

> interest are general hacking, application porting, and eventually

> SIP/AIX (Asterisk) integration (w/802.11).  I'm interested to know

> what hardware I should gather to start?  I saw OpenMoko on a Motorola

> Phone in some of your pictures, what model is it, is it worth trying

> to hack?  I'll definitely pick up a development kit once they are

> available.  Until then, I'll read over the wiki and attempt to setup a

> development environment in a VM on my MacBook.

> 

> Cheers,

> 

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RE: Article: Canada's New Government Provides Free Online Access toDigital Mapping Data

[Dean Collins]

I've sent this email to Duane Groth, he has extensive experience in
building GIS mapping application and consults to a number of companies
in this space so maybe he can explain to us all of the ramifications of
the Canadian announcement.

 

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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Igor Foox
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> Subject: Article: Canada's New Government Provides Free Online Access
toDigital
> Mapping Data
> 
> http://www.news.gc.ca/cfmx/view/en/index.jsp?articleid=290039
> 
> "Experts and other users of digital topographic data will no longer
> have to pay to use digital versions of government maps and data...As
> well as waiving access fees, NRCan is lifting all cost and licence
> restrictions on the redistribution of the data. This will help ensure
> that accurate and consistent information is available for users."
> 
> That sounds pretty cool, especially being a Canadian. :)
> I'm no expert on mapping data, can anyone with more experience
> elaborate whether this is the sort of data that could be useful for
> building open source mapping applications and not have to agree to
> restrictive licenses on the data?
> 
>  From the site:
> "The geospatial data are grouped in collections and are compatible
> with the most popular geographic information systems (GIS), with
> image analysis systems and the graphics applications of editing
> software."
> 
> and
> 
> "The collections include raster data, such as satellite images or
> scanned topographic maps, vector data, such as national-scale
> frameworks (grouped by theme), and a database of ground control
points."
> 
> Igor
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RE: VoIP call transfer?

[Dean Collins]

Hi Jeff,

Grandcentral divert all calls from a pre-determined pstn number that
they assign (and cant be transferred to any other carrier so once you
sign up unless you are prepared to change all your business cards etc
you're stuck with them).

 

They then deliver all calls from their central server out to your cell,
your home your office phone etc.

 

Should you want to transfer from one extension to another you press 4 on
your keypad and then it makes all the extensions ring again and you
pickup again.

 

As discussed earlier you can do this using Asterisk HOWEVER as I already
said earlier, there is a very big difference between this and single
number FMC as desired. In addition the GPRS throughput and latency on
the NEO will not be sufficient to deliver voice quality of a MOS level
to be usable.

 

Like I said - you're dreaming, it's not going to happen with the current
generation of technology on either the customer premise or the carrier
side hardware, don't shoot the messenger just because you don't
appreciate what I'm saying.

 

 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, 28 March 2007 7:28 PM
Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Re: VoIP call transfer?

 

 

On 3/28/07, Matthew S. Hamrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Matthew... what you're describing is sometimes called "Fixed Mobile
Convergence." Or rather, the "FMC" term has grown to encompass the
scenario you describe.


according to their website, www.grandcentral.com will provide this kind
of service... I didn't dig deep enough to figure out how they do it, but
they might provide out of the box access to what you want (they claim to
be free). 

Wish I could give you a thumbs up/down on how it works, but I've only
got one phone myself.

anyways, check it out if you're interested

-- 
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RE: VoIP call transfer?

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Yep - you're rambling. Not going to happen.

 

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Sent: Wednesday, 28 March 2007 4:00 PM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: VoIP call transfer?

 

I have an itch that I would like to explain to you and give an idea of
how to overcome that itch and see if that is possible or not, and if so
a good idea or not.  So first here is my itch.  I have a VoIP phone at
home which uses my WiFi connection to make calls using skype.  I like
that it helps lower my cell phone bills a lot since I started a new
business and it takes a lot of calls to make it sucessful.  But I am not
always at home sometimes I am just 5 minutes out from home and recieve a
phone call I talk on the way home and then to cut my minutes short I
tell them I will call them right back and then hang up switch to my VoIP
phone.  That gets old sometimes.  Granted it is not a very big itch but
it is annoying. 

 

So I have come up with several solutions.  First, with the neo I could
get a plan that includes data with my minutes and I could use skype or
some other VoIP solution like astrisk.  Which in turn would be great.
Oh also another question can you get a data only plan?  Just curious I
know some people may or may not have mentioned it but the thread that it
was mentioned in has over 80 e-mails and couldn't find it right off.
But let's pretend that for somereason you didn't want to add a data plan
to your mobile device because it was too expensive or what ever.  Would
it be possible for the neo to know when you step into range of a WiFi
network that you have acess to?  And after it notices the WiFi
connection it pops up a button on the screen that say's transfer to
VoIP?  You say hold on a sec and press the button.  The neo then puts
the user on hold and transfers the call to your VoIP line on your neo
where you pick it up, or the neo picks it up.  The voice line then hangs
up the call and puts the person back on the line with you.  Does that
make since?  Also when making a call and I am in range of a WiFi network
a check box or a seperate call with VoIP button appears that allows you
to place the same call over the VoIP?  Does that make since?  Just
wanting to get everyones opinions on this.  

 

This is a feature that I would like very much.  I have internet at home
which has a 15Mbps transfer rate with a 1000GB cap so I should be free
and clear with this.  I would love to have this feature.  I would like
to learn how to do this on the neo but would definatly need more time to
research it out.  Plus I would need more time to work on it, maybe when
I graduate school.  I would also need someone to help me.  Any ways I am
starting to ramble so please let me know what you think about this? 



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RE: E-mail style voicemail.

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> -Original Message-

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew S. Hamrick

> Sent: Monday, 26 March 2007 5:49 PM

> To: mathew davis

> Cc: OpenMoko community; SVHMPC

> Subject: Re: E-mail style voicemail.

> 

> I came up with something conceptually similar... I live in the

> sticks, so I don't have mobile service at my house. As I drive into

> the office, I have intermittent service. I had really bad service in

> my old office building so I came up with the following solution.

> 

> 1. Forward cell calls to my asterisk box.

> 2. If my SIP phone isn't registered or I don't answer, take a message.

> 3. Send a SMS message to my phone that's intercepted by the voice

> mail app.

> 4. When the voice mail app receives the SMS message, it establishes a

> net connection to my asterisk box and downloads the message to my
phone.

> 

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Hi Mathew,

I think once OpenMoko becomes more prevalent I think you'll find there
are a number of hosted asterisk related applications that are released
for Neo handset users.

I've already spoken with a few people interested in developing mixed
mobile/fixed line voice driven applications for both communities.

 

A smarter voicemail system than what is currently provided by your
carrier is just one of them.

 

 

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RE: Idea: up-to-date business card

[Dean Collins]

Hi Matthew,
You might want to have a chat to Scott Shaffer who writes a blog called
The Pondering Primate.
http://theponderingprimate.blogspot.com/

He goes nuts for that kind of stuff.

 

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> To: Ole Tange
> Cc: OpenMoko community
> Subject: Re: Idea: up-to-date business card
> 
> Yeah... this is called "Meishi." I developed it while I was in Japan.
> 
> The idea was that you put a unique bar code on the bottom of your
> business card. The code is essentially a serial number and URL to
> your online Meishi server MACed with a secret key you maintain. You
> give your business card to someone who snaps a picture of it with
> their phone. Software on the phone extracts the URL from the picture
> and communicates with your Meishi server, registering itself with the
> serial number provided. The business card recipient then completes
> the transaction by giving their Meishi URL to your server. After the
> protocol is completed, you both have each other's "Meishi URL" that
> you both can use to receive phone and address updates.
> 
> An extension to the service also allows the person you gave your card
> to to put their public key fingerprint on their card and pass it back
> to you. This public key could be used to verify pseudo-identities.
> 
> Not all of the system would (or should) be required, you're likely to
> deal with a lot of people who don't have "Meishi System" business
cards.
> 
> A couple points to remember:
> a. you're using a secret key and a Message Authentication Code, so if
> your secret key is revealed, you get no forward security and you have
> to toss all yer business cards that use it.
> b. your business cards turn into "one time use" tokens. If you give
> your business card to person "A" (whom you like) but they share it
> with person "B" (whom you can't stand), there's nothing that prevents
> person "B" from registering with your server unless you add an
> additional layer of authentication.
> c. there's nothing that prevents people from copying your information
> and giving it to someone else. The thing that is hard is for them to
> give someone else the right to get updates.
> 
> It is, of course, a bit more complex than this, and I never did
> anything more than write a couple prototypes.
> 
> At some point I would love to add support for ECC for some
> transactions and IBE (Identity Based Encryption) so if you want to
> work with me, i'll probably have some time in May to work on such a
> system.
> 
> I thought for a while that I would patent the concept and try to
> license the concept of generating serialized business card stock to
> people like Avery, but then I realized having to pay an additional
> fee for business cards would seriously hamper adoption. So to the
> degree that such a process is patentable, I would not seek to do so.
> And to the degree that someone else would try to patent such a thing
> after 2001 (when I was in Japan) it would probably serve as prior art.
> 
> Also... Xerox PARC had this project that embedded digital information
> into screen-printed pictures. I always wanted to embed my Meishi data
> into such a thing. That way you could put a picture of yourself on
> your business card and it would have your Meishi information hidden
> in it.
> 
> -Cheers
> -Matt H.
> 
> On Mar 14, 2007, at 12:19 PM, Ole Tange wrote:
> 
> > If I receive a business card it sometimes happens I try to call a
year
> > later. At that point the person has a new phone number and I will
have
> > to look that up. I would much rather receive an intelligent business
> > card that was always up to date.
> >
> > To secure anonymity we will need a protocol that will allow me to
get
> > the new information without everyone knowing I got that. It will be
OK
> > if the original person is informed. Maybe using some kind of web of
> > trust?
> >
> > /Ole
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RE: Idea: up-to-date business card

[Dean Collins]

It's called Plaxo.
Why reinvent the wheel, works great and is free.

 

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ole Tange
> Sent: Wednesday, 14 March 2007 3:20 PM
> To: OpenMoko community
> Subject: Idea: up-to-date business card
> 
> If I receive a business card it sometimes happens I try to call a year
> later. At that point the person has a new phone number and I will have
> to look that up. I would much rather receive an intelligent business
> card that was always up to date.
> 
> To secure anonymity we will need a protocol that will allow me to get
> the new information without everyone knowing I got that. It will be OK
> if the original person is informed. Maybe using some kind of web of
> trust?
> 
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RE: Idea: Wake me during light sleep

[Dean Collins]

Hey guys, you're missing the point. You need to stop thinking of the
openmoko  device being a standalone unit, you are always connected to
your pc when in mobile phone coverage. 

Just use your gprs data link.

Start thinking of the Neo as a portable 'viewer' to applications running
on standalone servers then you'll start seeing location is irrelevant.

(not that I don't think the concept is fantasy - though I respect Olle
for his work elsewhere to really call it point blank - his got the
skills to do it just because it couldn't be done).


Lol

 
Cheers,
 
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cindy
> Sent: Monday, 12 March 2007 10:08 AM
> To: David Schlesinger; community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: Idea: Wake me during light sleep
> 
> 
> 
> I agree you can do this with a PC but the phone would make a better
listening
> device to detect your "light sleep" time, and it would be more
conveniently placed
> next to your bed and unobtrusive (quiet). There is a usb X10
transceiver that I don't
> think needs a powered usb so the openmoko could do all of this without
a PC. I
> don't know enough about the frequency range, but I have wondered if
the
> openmoko could send the X10 signals to the wireless X10 receiver? I
have to go
> search the wiki again to see if this is addressed.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:28:15 -0400, David Schlesinger
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >> If your PC is in range, it would be easy to send
> >> a message to your PC which could have an attached
> >> X10 transmitter to control your lights, or other
> >> appliances. You could set up a X10 theme through
> >> your PC to gradually increase the lights, turn on
> >> your coffee maker etc when the openmoko detects
> >> your light sleep mode.
> >
> > I'm not sure how the phone is necessary in this scenario. It seems
you could do
> all of this without it...
> >
> 
> 
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RE: Idea: Mass Text Messaging

[Dean Collins]

Yep piece of cake, you could set it up today (no need for Neo handset)

Just code yourself a website that takes the numbers you copy into the
outbound box, type your message into the message box, then enable a
script to send your message to one of the many web based sms providers.

You should be able to code this into a wap page that's easily accessible
via any mobile (just make sure you secure access to your webserver so
someone cant abuse your account). 

 

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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Kline
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> Subject: Idea: Mass Text Messaging
> 
> I repeatedly find myself in situations similar to this:
>   I am at the mall with my parents and want to know if any of my
> friends are at the mall. I text individual friends (awkwardly) to ask
> if they are at the mall.
> Most of the time (99.99%) they are not, but still
> 
> Anyway, my idea is a mass text feature that allows you to text a
> group of people all at the same time (with some kind of hint that the
> text has been sent to others)
> 
> Can anyone make this happen?
> 
> -ryan
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RE: t-mobile bans user's own apps

[Dean Collins]

Yep saw that in Slashdot, bit of confusion are they cracking down on
existing data levels for cheaper data offerings (something called TZones
or similar) or if totally banning.

Point is, vote with your feet and go to cingular or someone else.



 

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
> Sent: Tuesday, 27 February 2007 2:26 PM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: t-mobile bans user's own apps
> 
> 
> It appears that T-Mobile has just started banning third-party
> applications from running on phones they provide cellular service to.
> Grumble.  Before this they seemed to have the best GSM deal in this
> part of the world (San Francisco Bay Area, USA).
> 
> http://www.gearlog.com/2007/01/tmobile_disses_opera_says_get.php
> 
> "This means T-Mobile feature phone users are prohibited from
> surfing the Web with Opera Mini, checking maps on Google Local for
> Mobile, listening to podcasts with Mobilcast, and using any other
> form of software not pre-approved by T-Mobile."
> 
> I wonder how they'll react to an open phone where code like this comes
> as a "factory option".
> 
> -wolfgang
> --
> Wolfgang S. Rupprechthttp://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/
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Little bit OT but very interesting news about Icahn & Motricity just off the wire

[Dean Collins]

Billionaire Icahn Invests $50 Million in Motricity
By Eric M. Zeman
February 27, 2007 

Carl Icahn, a mobile industry investor with 33.5 million shares of
Motorola, has added mobile content services and software supplier
Motricity to his portfolio of companies. The funding buys him an
undisclosed percentage in the company and a seat on the board for his
son, Brett.


Motricity has experienced good growth in the last year, quadrupling its
customer base to include wireless operators and media and entertainment
companies, such as Alltel, Cingular, MTV, NBC, Sprint, and Universal
Music Group.

http://www.wirelessweek.com/toc-newsat2direct/02/27/07?starting=4 

 


Any comments Sam?


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RE: Voice Activated Controls

[Dean Collins]

Jeff,
No you are just being silly; None of them except vaxvoip are similar

 
> It looks like these guys do a similar thing for free (but still
closed):
> http://www.peerme.com/

Requires an executable install

> Another for money:
> http://www.gphone.com/service/webcallback

Doesn't do voip - it's a two legged outbound call.

http://www.vaxvoip.com/
good product but uses SIP


I got board after checking any further, I think the discussion has gone
far too off base anyway.

Regards,

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> Perhaps this one too:
> http://www.vaxvoip.com/
> 
> Or these folks, back in 2004:
> http://www.vocalscape.com/
> 
> And...etc...
> http://www.asteriskdialer.com
> 
> I think even google talk does click-to-talk, no?
> 
> > You guys still haven't got it yet,
> 
> Well don't presume what the rest of the world is thinking from a
couple emails
> of mine... You sound version presumptuous.
> 
> > with enough bandwidth on a single
> > Asterisk server and Mexuar, you could basically deliver calls to
every
> > Neo globally eliminating all inbound and international call charges.
> >
> > You still think I'm spamming Jeff?
> 
> Yes. Do you have financial interests with them at all? The original
thread was
> about Voice Activated Controls and has devolved into this. I took the
time out
> to check out your links only to find them dead ends since they are
closed.
> 
> > Maybe I'm just thinking bigger picture which is why I keep talking
about
> > network services and you guys talk about gsm subsidies.
> 
> Ya, we're all so dumb here. Thank god you're around passing light.
> 
> Perhaps the reason many of us are here is because we are looking for
free/open
> solutions and are very very tired of being bound to closed systems
such as
> Mexuar, no matter how pretty their flash is. Maybe we're actually
thinking
> about the bigger picture (e.g. free/open) and you're just talking
about
> subsidies for your companies...
> 
> -Jeff
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RE: Voice Activated Controls

[Dean Collins]

No you wouldn't want to install Mexuar on your home asterisk server, it
costs $US2,000 it's only meant for commercial installations.

That's my point with Mexuar any java compliant browser not just your
firefox browser can connect to your asterisk server.

You will never be able to get every single person you communicate with
to
a/ install firefox
b/ install the plugin

BUT what it does mean is that you can have a sip or iax softphone on
your Neo handset and then allow anyone with a browser to browse to any
webpage you install the corraleta url on that they can call you for
free.

You guys still haven't got it yet, with enough bandwidth on a single
Asterisk server and Mexuar, you could basically deliver calls to every
Neo globally eliminating all inbound and international call charges.

You still think I'm spamming Jeff?

Maybe I'm just thinking bigger picture which is why I keep talking about
network services and you guys talk about gsm subsidies.



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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jeff
> Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 9:37 PM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: Voice Activated Controls
> 
> Dean Collins wrote:
> > Hi Jeff,
> > Nope not the same thing, not the same functionality.
> 
> Ya, moziax is more useful. ;)
> 
> In sum, moziax (formerly mozphone) is a firefox plugin that turns the
browser
> into a softphone.
> 
> Coraleta is a proprietary thing companies can buy so when shoppers are
surfing
> their web pages they can click on a "connect" button and get a sales
rep who
> can see the context of the webpage they are looking at. It's similar
to the
> "Live Chat" thing commercial sites often have, but uses voice.
> 
> Dean Collins originally wrote:
>  > Hell if you are going to install asterisk on a home server may as
well
>  > buy a Mexuar Coraleta license (www.mexua.com) so you can do the
calls
>  > via a browser :)
> 
> Now, why the hell someone want a Coraleta license with a home asterisk
server
> is beyond me. I assume you're just spamming us with a client of yours.
FWIW,
> my asterisk server is in a data center.
> 
> But I think we're getting quite OT now...
> 
> -Jeff
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RE: Voice Activated Controls

[Dean Collins]

Hi Jeff,
Nope not the same thing, not the same functionality.

 

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jeff
> Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 8:49 PM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: Voice Activated Controls
> 
> Dean Collins wrote:
> > Hey Jeff,
> > I was going to mention sphinx (or even a lumenvox installation), but
> > this would require people to have an asterisk installation if they
were
> > going to run this application.
> >
> > An ASP service will always offer more accuracy and functionality and
> > needn't be too expensive.
> 
> I can buy a closed phone with more features perhaps too... I prefer
the
> functionality of free/open systems to buying services. Plus asterisk
totally
> kicks ass. ;)
> 
> > Hell if you are going to install asterisk on a home server may as
well
> > buy a Mexuar Corraleta license (www.mexuar.com) so you can do the
calls
> > via a browser :)
> 
> Why buy a license when it can be done for free? "MozIAX is a Firefox
VoIP
> extension, a cross platform software IAX2 phone (softphone) to be used
with
> Asterisk, the Open Source PBX. Like Asterisk, MozIAX is free
software."
> http://moziax.mozdev.org/
> 
> -Jeff
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RE: Voice Activated Controls

[Dean Collins]

Hey Jeff,
I was going to mention sphinx (or even a lumenvox installation), but
this would require people to have an asterisk installation if they were
going to run this application.

An ASP service will always offer more accuracy and functionality and
needn't be too expensive.

Hell if you are going to install asterisk on a home server may as well
buy a Mexuar Corraleta license (www.mexuar.com) so you can do the calls
via a browser :)

http://www.mexuar.com/downloads/Level1Products/CorraletaDemoSound.swf



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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jeff
> Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 8:01 PM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: Voice Activated Controls
> 
> Dean Collins wrote:
> > The answer is no, the neo processing power is too limited.
> 
> Or perhaps the answer is more like "maybe". ;)  I'm still holding my
breath for
> pocketsphinx...   The page does say it works with StrongARM, which if
I'm
> reading wikipedia correctly was just 206MHz.
> 
> > You need to start thinking bigger guys.
> >
> > Why does the processing need to occur on the handset itself? What
about
> > building a 'cloud' application where the application and processing
> > occurs with only a sip or gsm connection to the handset?
> >
> > Check out http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Tellme for an idea on
what
> > I am describing.
> 
> This is a nice idea to offload processing to another box and spit back
the
> results. One big problem I have with the Tellme approach is that it
isn't free
> as it's using some service provider. Blah for me there. That said,
there's no
> reason the ideas behind it couldn't be implemented freely.
> 
> I've done speech recognition with sphinx and asterisk. It doesn't work
too
> great--the main problem being that GSM is a pretty low quality sample
for it to
> work with. You know how you can never understand anyone talking on a
cell
> phone? ;)  Well, sphinx can't understand it too well either. But
pocketsphinx
> (which I haven't tried) lists on their page "telephone-bandwidth
models"--this
> looks promising.
> 
> For SIP, you need some sort of net connection, of course, and I think
we can
> assume that that is coming. Then you can use alaw/ulaw instead of GSM
and that
> will help recognition quite a bit...
> 
> -Jeff/#jebba
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RE: Voice Activated Controls

[Dean Collins]

The answer is no, the neo processing power is too limited.

 

You need to start thinking bigger guys.

 

Why does the processing need to occur on the handset itself? What about
building a 'cloud' application where the application and processing
occurs with only a sip or gsm connection to the handset?

Check out http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Tellme for an idea on what
I am describing.

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Pitcher
Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 7:07 PM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Re: Voice Activated Controls

 

Perhaps it could be used as a form of input for typing, instead of the
virtual keyboard.  I would love to use it for sending texts or emails.
-Brad

On 2/26/07, Knight Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:08:18PM -0600, Jonathon Suggs wrote:
> Does anyone know of any software for natural language processing that
> could be ported to OM/Neo?  I really like some of the software that is

> available for the PocketPC (MS Voice Commander and Fonix).  They both
> run and work well on a resource limited platform as well, so it *can*
be
> done, but both are closed.
>
> Here are a couple of OS engines: 
> http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/pocketsphinx/
> http://julius.sourceforge.jp/en_index.php?q=en/index.html 
> http://xvoice.sourceforge.net/
>
> So I guess, is there already any voice control software planned/worked

> on for use in OpenMoko?  If not, I'll help out, but can we get a
project 
> up and running?

Depending on what you're looking for, it may be easier than that. My
last
three phones (All Nokia) have a speech command recognition which seems
more like limited wave-form matching. It requires that I record the 
command ("Call Brian", "Start music player", "Begin recording") then
when
I want to use that command, I hold down a button on the phone (Or on the
headset) until the phone makes a certain tone, and speak the command. 
The phone then "searches" for a few seconds, finds the match, and
activates the function.  It's VERY useful for when I'm driving and want
to call someone. I just hold down a button on my headset and give it the

command, all while keeping my eyes on the road.

My only major complaint is the (very) limited number of commands you can
record.  I find I have to think really hard about what I want a voice
command for because making a new one requires that I remove an existing 
one.

It wouldn't give you continuous speech-to-text capability, but I'm not
sure I want that.  People think I'm crazy enough as it is.

-KW

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RE: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free phones.)

[Dean Collins]

Took 4 minutes of googling to find both Cingular and Verizon have kids
phones and restricted access plans.

Stop your bitching and go save the world.






Cingular's FireFly phone has buttons for preprogrammed phone numbers for
Mom and Dad, along with a button for 911 emergencies. Up to 20
additional numbers can also be programmed into the phone. Verizon's Migo
phone from LG also offers a dedicated emergency button, along with four
buttons that parents can program.

Even though the big carriers' services and phones don't match the
functionality of newcomer Disney Mobile, they still may have an edge
over Disney. For one, most parents who'd even consider buying a cell
phone for their kids are already customers of one of the big cell phone
companies. It might be easier and more cost-effective for them to wait
for new features to be added to their current provider's packages.


Limits on kids 

Parents can designate the times when a kid can call particular numbers
or play games. With TicTalk, Mom and Dad can also limit the number of
minutes for calls to certain numbers - say to a best friend. 

As with Firefly, the phone operates on the GSM cellular network. For
some reason, the unit I had never properly updated the time. TicTalk
costs $99, plus a $10 activation fee. An hour of prepaid talk is $15.
The phone is available online now and in stores by year's end.


 

Regards,

Dean Collins


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> Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 6:27 PM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: RE: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free
phones.)
> 
> Dean...
> 
> Its been a while since I looked, but I do stand corrected. The Disney
plan
> indeed launched last June.
> 
> The Disney plan is not, however prepaid, and worse, it is Disney, the
folks
> who bought and paid for our Sonny Bono Copyright Tem Extension Act.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Bono_Copyright_Term_Extension_Act
> 
> Which, of course, puts them on my "List".
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> Original Message:
> -
> From: Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:35:21 -0500
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: RE: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free
> phones.)
> 
> 
> >
> > As a parent, one of my great angers with the cellular industry is
that
> > NO-ONE has offered a pre-paid plan that limits the child's monthly
use
> of
> > the air-time resource by cutting it off once the minute limit is
> exceeded
> > for the month.  Calls FROM and TO the parent account would still go
> through
> > and be billed to the parent account.
> 
> 
> Alan,
> Totally incorrect, this was one of the main themes behind the Disney
> MVNO and I also think Verizon or cingular have this option as well (I
> know I saw a tv ad for one of them a few months ago but cant remember
> which one)
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
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> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 2:27 PM
> > To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> > Subject: RE: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free
> phones.)
> >
> > Sam...
> >
> > Thanks for posting that link.  A great write up on the
"Fundamentally
> > Immoral" business practices in the cellullar communications industry
> today.
> >
> > What I expect from the "Operators" or "Carriers" (depending on which
> oceans
> > are nearby) is that they cease and desist using obfuscation and
> bundling to
> > hide the true cost of their services.  Ala-carte pricing that can be
> > compared business to business.
> >
> > Another Mini-Rant of my own:
> >
> > Cell Plans That Help Parents Teach Responsibility
> >
> > As a parent, one of my great angers with the cellular industry is
that
> > NO-ONE has offered a pre-paid plan that limits the child's monthly
use
> of
> > the air-time resource by cutting it off once the minute limit is
> exceeded
> > for the month.  Calls FROM and TO the parent account would still go
> through
> > and be billed to the parent account.
> >
> > But the cell industry in not interested in what is best for Society
as
> a
> > whole, namely  young people who can demonstrate the ability to
> conserve and
>

RE: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free phones.)

[Dean Collins]

> 
> As a parent, one of my great angers with the cellular industry is that
> NO-ONE has offered a pre-paid plan that limits the child's monthly use
of
> the air-time resource by cutting it off once the minute limit is
exceeded
> for the month.  Calls FROM and TO the parent account would still go
through
> and be billed to the parent account.


Alan,
Totally incorrect, this was one of the main themes behind the Disney
MVNO and I also think Verizon or cingular have this option as well (I
know I saw a tv ad for one of them a few months ago but cant remember
which one)

 

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 2:27 PM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: RE: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free
phones.)
> 
> Sam...
> 
> Thanks for posting that link.  A great write up on the "Fundamentally
> Immoral" business practices in the cellullar communications industry
today.
> 
> What I expect from the "Operators" or "Carriers" (depending on which
oceans
> are nearby) is that they cease and desist using obfuscation and
bundling to
> hide the true cost of their services.  Ala-carte pricing that can be
> compared business to business.
> 
> Another Mini-Rant of my own:
> 
> Cell Plans That Help Parents Teach Responsibility
> 
> As a parent, one of my great angers with the cellular industry is that
> NO-ONE has offered a pre-paid plan that limits the child's monthly use
of
> the air-time resource by cutting it off once the minute limit is
exceeded
> for the month.  Calls FROM and TO the parent account would still go
through
> and be billed to the parent account.
> 
> But the cell industry in not interested in what is best for Society as
a
> whole, namely  young people who can demonstrate the ability to
conserve and
> manage resources.  Thanks for being such good citizens, guys. (<<
Sarcasm)
> 
> Alan McSwain
> 
> Original Message:
> -
> From: Sam Kome [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:18:59 -0500
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: RE: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free
> phones.)
> 
> 
> 
> I think that the article I linked to really clearly covers all of the
> issues presented in the email responses.  The price subsidies, the
> locked/unlocked, the SIM buying, the phone w/o SIM buying, etc.
> 
> That's why I brought it to this group, because I respect the
> intelligence of the folks here, and I think they care about furthering
> the efficacy and usability of mobile computing and communication.
> 
> I took it for granted that everyone on the list, including myself,
knows
> the difference between T/CDMA (also available with SIMs, but
nevermind)
> and GSM devices in terms of subscriber identity management.
> 
> I _don't_ take for granted that anyone not working in or around the
cell
> phone industry can even spell SIM, let alone understand the
implications
> of whether or not their phone has a removable chip, or if that chip
will
> work in another device, let alone with another carrier.
> 
> When my mother/brother/friend in the US wants to buy a phone, they are
> very likely to go to one or two cell phone outlet stores, RTFMA, and
see
> a plethora of plans with minutes and calling circles and
> free-after-x-o'clock.  They will not be able to reasonably compare
these
> to each other without performing sophisticated systems analysis on the
> fly.  They will and do sign up for 2 year contracts _and/or_ locked
> devices.
> 
> This by the way, makes my job (creating mobile content) more
difficult,
> so I have both the philosphical and selfish professional incentives to
> try to both educate the general public and solve the core problem as I
> see it, which is a sea of proprietary devices that have lousy software
> and worse user interfaces.
> 
> How'd I do? Still childish boring bullshit?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn
> Rutledge
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:51 PM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free
> phones.)
> 
> SIMs are great - I don't like SIM-free phones like Verizon ones that
> require somebody at Verizon to switch the service to a different
> phone.  With GSM you just switch the SIM yourself.  Of course it would
> also be nice to be able to use different devices without having to
>

RE: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free phones.

[Dean Collins]

Sure not a problem but when you are finished 'papering' please explain
to all the consumers why the costs of their $49 (or free) handsets just
doubled or tripled to full retail/manufacturing costs.

 

No one is forcing you to buy these handsets.

 

Sim only plans are available.

 

Get over it and get real about what is important when it comes to gsm
mobile connectivity and the sales structure that carriers have chosen to
implement this connectivity with. Your arguments are childish and
boring, and give the masses more credit, they know that these devices
don't really cost $49 to build.

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Kome
Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 11:31 AM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free phones. 

 

We should paper the world with (something like) this rant ahead of the
wide release of Neo1973.  

The fettered masses really don't get it yet.   

 

Covers 8 myths which drive folks to buy locked phones and/or 2yr
contracts:

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/Its_time_to_buy_SIM-free_ph
ones.php

 

"How would Apple fans react if the latest Mac computer was exclusively
locked to a particular ISP, was only available to people who live in
that ISP's service area, and people had to sign up to a 2 year contract
with that ISP? The Apple fans would be mad as hell, so why on earth are
they having to put up with exactly the same restrictions on a portable,
pocket-sized Mac computer called the iPhone?"

 

"How is it that Finland, a poorer, lower-density country without phone
contracts, and with a law banning locked phones, developed far better
phone coverage than America, the land of locked phones and 2 year
contracts?"

 

 

 

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<http://www.motricity.com/> UX Team Member
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www.motricity.com <http://www.motricity.com> 
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RE: Back from FOSDEM

[Dean Collins]

Yep, lets take advantage of You Tube before the go broke. (I've posted
several corporate videos there lately - hey if it's free why not).

 

Also I loved how Jet Blue posted the ceo apology on you tube, lol - if
it's free why not.

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Florent
THIERY
Sent: Sunday, 25 February 2007 9:13 AM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Re: Back from FOSDEM

 

> What is the easiest way to distribute the video?

Bittorrent would seem easiest to me. Or if someone has bandwidth
to burn, 
HTTP.


Dailymotion / Youtube  They have bw to burn :)

 

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RE: Emerging Telephony Conference Discount (fwd)

[Dean Collins]

For people that are going - if you want to check out a really good voip
session go along and see Tim Panton talking about Mexuar Corraleta and
Asterisk

 

http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/etel2007/view/e_sess/11848

 

(for those that have no idea what I'm talking about www.asterisk.org
<http://www.asterisk.org/>  www.Mexuar.com <http://www.mexuar.com/> 

http://www.mexuar.com/downloads/Level1Products/CorraletaDemoSound.swf )

 

 

:-) little bit self serving but hey it's going to be a huge event.

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David
Schlesinger
Sent: Wednesday, 21 February 2007 7:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; OpenMoko -- OpenMoko
Subject: RE: Emerging Telephony Conference Discount (fwd)

 

I've already registered, and paid, for this...

=/


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed 2/21/2007 4:42 PM
To: OpenMoko -- OpenMoko
Subject: Emerging Telephony Conference Discount (fwd)

Seems that O'Reilly will offer a 40% discount to a group, if someone in
charge
registers us as a group.

To the extent that those of us on the mailing list are a group, who's in
charge?





-- Forwarded message --
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [SVHMPC] Emerging Telephony Conference Discount

Any user group can do this ... they want just one person (chair, pres.,
organizer) of a group to register.  Looks like some good benefits for
groups
to join.

Paul

> -Original Message-
>>
>> Our user group get's a discount from O'Reilly for ETel:
>>
>>>> Emerging Telephony Conference:
>>>> Use code "xxx" when you register, and receive 40% off the
>>>> registration price.

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Helios

[Dean Collins]

The new Helio looks suspiciously oval... :-)

 

Love the dual sliding keypad concept though.

 

http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/21/helios-pantech-pn-810-qwerty-device-p
ops-up-in-fcc 

 

 

Regards,

Dean Collins
www.Collins.net.pr/blog 

 

 

 

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RE: What service plan in New York City?

[Dean Collins]

Hey Mike, there are archives for a reason.

Neo is a gsm phone - so Cingular or T-mobile

 

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike
> Sent: Monday, 19 February 2007 5:35 PM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: What service plan in New York City?
> 
> 
> What service plan should I sign up for in new york city in
anticipation of
> the openmoko?  In other words a plan that I can keep and switch to an
> openmoko phone with?
> 
> I already know it has to be G3 and use sim cards.  I want to know,
> specifically, what carrier will work?  I'm in the largest city in
america,
> surely some of the openmoko people will know what I can sign up for?
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Software Emulator

[Dean Collins]

Koen,
You think you're so right about architecture and software development
that you are writing code when less than 3 weeks ago an email was sent
to the entire list stating that there had been some hardware
changes...

Yeh right, so the manufacturer is still bedding down the design and
architecture but you say that I'm spouting FUD.

Please don't bullshit yourself.

As for Savaje being Java so not relevant - BZZZT kind of right but not
really. The issue we had with the Savaje handset was access at the
hardware level, basically we were unable to implement our Java voip
applications because of hardware access to the microphone limitations.

Like I said - you may want to wait until FIC release a final emulator

 

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> -Original Message-
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Koen Kooi
> Sent: Saturday, 17 February 2007 11:55 AM
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> 
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> Dean Collins schreef:
> 
> > Yeh right, personally after my experiences with development on the
> > Savaje OS last year anyone coding without a 100 authentic emulator
is
> > wasting their time.
> 
> Right, Savaje doesn't reuse desktop technology (java doesn't count),
so your
> response is
> just pure FUD, please don't do that.
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RE: Software Emulator

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Koen Kooi
> Sent: Saturday, 17 February 2007 11:37 AM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Cc: OpenMoko Developers Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Software Emulator
> 
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> 
> You can already do that without an emulator.
> 
> regards,
> 
> Koen
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> 

 

Yeh right, personally after my experiences with development on the
Savaje OS last year anyone coding without a 100 authentic emulator is
wasting their time.

There's just too many variables to even begin considering coding until
the product is stabilized at rev 0 and actually shipped.



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RE: openmoko and pre-paid cards

[Dean Collins]

> The problem is getting pre-paid GPRS access to anywhere on the net
OUTSIDE
> of T-Mobile's silly "T-Zones" walled garden.
>

Allan, do you know of any GSM carrier that offers GPRS data on prepaid
plans?
I've never come across it before not that I've looked for it

 

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, 16 February 2007 2:47 PM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: openmoko and pre-paid cards
> 
> I'm going to chime in here again on this:
> 
> Here in the US, getting pre-paid voice service via a T-Mobile sim is
no
> problem exactly as Mary illustrates.
> 
> The problem is getting pre-paid GPRS access to anywhere on the net
OUTSIDE
> of T-Mobile's silly "T-Zones" walled garden.
> 
> ~90% of the amazing applications that will be written for the
OpenMoko/Neo
> platform will involve pulling and pushing data to and from your
handset via
> GPRS.
> 
> T-Mobile or Sprint(??) must be induced to offer a prepaid GPRS service
if
> the OpenMoko/Neo platform is to be as fully successful as possible.
> 
> If this prepaid GPRS access fails to materialize, has anyone done any
work
> on creating a working cellular voice modem that could communicate via
a
> personal dialup gateway at home?
> 
> Alan McSwain
> 
> 
> 
> Original Message:
> -
> From: Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:50:44 -0700
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: openmoko and pre-paid cards
> 
> 
> Mary Stovel writes:
> 
> >Cingular C139.)  I asked at the Cingular store and the T-Mobile
> >store... that if I brought in my own "unlocked" phone,  could I get a
> >SIM card without buying their phone... they said "yes".  I  asked if
> >that applied to the prepaid plans and they said "yes".
> 
> My experience here was almost the same as yours -- the difference
> being that all the plans I saw had a bottom-end phone that they'd give
> you for "free" (in quotes since the plan subsidizes the phone).  They
> told me I couldn't get an additional discount for not taking any phone
> at all.
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RE: New to the message board and have a couple questions...

[Dean Collins]

Hi Mike,

GSM only so Cingular T-Mobile etc.

 

Not Sprint Verizon etc.

 

Yes if you can get a sim only pre-pay plan then yes.

 

 

 

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Sersen
Sent: Friday, 16 February 2007 11:28 AM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: New to the message board and have a couple questions...

 

Hello all!
I'm wondering about service in the US.  Can I connect this phone to any
carrier?  Can I use the phone as a pre-pay?

Thanks,
Mike

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RE: Google's summer of code 2007

[Dean Collins]

Lol-might be a little hard without a platform to develop on (and no
emulator) but the entries don't open until March so might make the cut.

 

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> Sent: Friday, 16 February 2007 5:27 AM
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> Subject: Google's summer of code 2007
> 
> Since the NEO is open , perhaps submit some projects ?
> 
> W
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RE: given the OpenMoko Challenges...

[Dean Collins]

Well derthats hardly that innovative. Check out what HTC released
this month and I noticed Nokia just resurfaced with their 'palmtop'
websurfer.

Lets get one 'phone' out and then get excited chasing niches.


 

Regards,

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> -Original Message-
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Moss-Pultz
> Sent: Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:16 PM
> To: Myk Melez
> Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org; Kenshin
> Subject: Re: given the OpenMoko Challenges...
> 
> On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 15:50 -0800, Myk Melez wrote:
> > Kenshin wrote:
> > > ... what are the chances of getting a camera? ^_^
> > > ...
> > > I think that not having a camera is a "serious" technologic
setback
> > > and loses some points to the competition.
> > Note that the Neo 1973 is just the first of six planned "Neo"
devices
> > using OpenMoko, according to this Gizmodo article.  I bet some of
> > those will have cameras.
> 
> Just to clarify this a bit more...these devices are not all going to
be
> "phones" in the traditional sense of the word ;-)
> 
> -Sean
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RE: Get your own OpenMoko T-Shirt

[Dean Collins]

Hi Daniel,

Great job going out and doing this, I'm sure that FIC will eventually
move into merchandising some time in the future but great initiative (I
also read how you got permission first so that's cool).

If you are coming to www.BarCampUSA.org in August make sure you bring a
ton of them to sell as with 5000+ geeks there everyone will want one.

 

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Daniel Willmann
> Sent: Sunday, 11 February 2007 10:59 PM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Get your own OpenMoko T-Shirt
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I spent some time designing t-shirts and polo-shirts with the 
> OpenMoko logo:
> 
> http://www.spreadshirt.net/shop.php?sid=211795
> 
> Thanks goes to the coreteam who allowed me to use the logo.
> 
> Regards,
> Daniel Willmann
> 

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RE: Is is it possible to make this Truphone compatible?

[Dean Collins]

Truphone's claim to fame is it's one touch voip install, it obviously
wont work out of the box but could be modified to suit eventually.

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jayanthi
Sent: Monday, 12 February 2007 10:16 AM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Is is it possible to make this Truphone compatible?

 

Hi guys. I'm new here and I'm excited with the whole OpenMoko cell
phone!

I read something that might interest you guys. There's this british
company (http://www.truphone.com/scn/welcome.tru ) that is creating a
software-only network bassed on VoIP. Apparentely they are using open
standards (it is compatible with Google Talk) and, while I'm not sure if
their software will be free (as in freedom), they would be a perfect fit
to the future OpenMoko with a WiFi card. But I was wondering if it's
possible to make a IP stack over bluetooth, to use the OpenMoko. Besides
needing a "bluethooth hotspot", is there any technical reason for which
this wouldn't work? 

Shridhar

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