Re: [Mokomaze] Online level editor
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Michael Zanetti michael_zane...@gmx.net wrote: On Saturday 09 May 2009 12:45:04 ANT wrote: Tested on Firefox, Opera, Chrome. Works also with Konqueror! Firefox3.0.10/Linux - buggy but works. -- So long, and thanks for all the fish. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth spam
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:20 PM, The Digital Pioneer digitalpionee...@gmail.com wrote: Spam a file? Send it to everyone in range? Why? It seems, because he can do it, funny. -- So long, and thanks for all the fish. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: AT%CTVZ=1 just enables the unsolicited result code. There is no way to actually _query_ the time from the network. It depends on the operator whether it sends it to you or not. It also depends on the modem whether it can understand the network time report or not. The unsolicited result code can occur at any time, e.g. during cell handover or registration. You probably need to look for it (read: log data) for a couple of hours or days to spot it. In germany you will not get it at all. In fact whereever I have been since 2006 I never have seen one. Then again, I've not been in the US since 2002. :M: My dumb nokia updated time when I was in finland. AFAIR it was Elisa and Teliasonera, so maybe some finnish openvoko users/devs can provide a logs? Regards, Evgeny. -- So long, and thanks for all the fish. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko L10N effort.
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: I tried this now: echo LANG=fi_FI.UTF-8/etc/profile echo LC_ALL=fi_FI.UTF-8/etc/profile echo export LANG LC_ALL/etc/profile and opkg install `opkg list | grep locale-fi | cut -d' ' -f1` (thaks lindi :) It installed some packages but most of it failed because they all depend on virtual-locale-fi. I can't find it anywhere. Anyone know what's going on here, should I just --force-depends? And does anyone know if there's some centralized effort done to localize the applications. Hello Risto There no centralized translation effort AFAIK Timmo have done some translatoin to finnish tryed to translate some apps to russian. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Translation_HOWTO says that community list is at the moment the place to discuss translations but I haven't seen any mails like that around. I think people would soon like to see the apps in their native languages. r - Going to check if I was able to install anything in Finnish :) -- So long, and thanks for all the fish. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.12] Help with Om.2008.12 on microsd
Don't know if this is expected behaviour, but when I moved rw part before all other kernel parameters: r...@om-gta02:~# cat /boot/append-GTA02 rw console=tty0 loglevel=8 rootdelay=1 now Neo boots fine with Qi and finally shows Illume desktop and everything. 2009/1/4 Evgeny Karyakin anthropophag...@gmail.com: 2008/12/30 Andy Green a...@openmoko.com: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Em Sab, Dezembro 27, 2008 04:06, Kosa escreveu: | I've been trying to boot 2008.12 from a microsd but it just can't. | It starts booting but then it stops with an Only GTA01 hardware | supported by ASoc driver message. | | Happens to me also, but after that message I also have the following | messages (not sure if they change from boot to boot): | | Unknown HZ value! (87) Assume 100. | mount: special device /dev/mmcblkp01 does not exist | ALSA: restoring mixer settings... | Configuring network interfaces... /usr/sbin/alsactl: load_state:1327: No | soundcards found... | ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): usb0: link is not ready | done. | | I can shutdown by holding the power button. | I have FDOM in the same card and it works fine. I was just meddling with this in NAND, I believe that ro on the kernel commandline is fatal for startup of 2008.12. When I removed it from Qi, 2008.08 started up OK. So check your U-Boot env if you're using that for ro, or try adding rw to /boot/append-GTA02 if you are on SD Card and Qi. It's pretty common to boot with rootfs ro initially... I have these problems also, and adding rw to append-GTA02 didn't solve it. Full content of my /boot/append-GTA02 is this: console=tty0 loglevel=8 rootdelay=1 rw (brainless copy-paste of everything related from Qi wiki page[1]). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.12] Help with Om.2008.12 on microsd
2008/12/30 Andy Green a...@openmoko.com: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Em Sab, Dezembro 27, 2008 04:06, Kosa escreveu: | I've been trying to boot 2008.12 from a microsd but it just can't. | It starts booting but then it stops with an Only GTA01 hardware | supported by ASoc driver message. | | Happens to me also, but after that message I also have the following | messages (not sure if they change from boot to boot): | | Unknown HZ value! (87) Assume 100. | mount: special device /dev/mmcblkp01 does not exist | ALSA: restoring mixer settings... | Configuring network interfaces... /usr/sbin/alsactl: load_state:1327: No | soundcards found... | ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): usb0: link is not ready | done. | | I can shutdown by holding the power button. | I have FDOM in the same card and it works fine. I was just meddling with this in NAND, I believe that ro on the kernel commandline is fatal for startup of 2008.12. When I removed it from Qi, 2008.08 started up OK. So check your U-Boot env if you're using that for ro, or try adding rw to /boot/append-GTA02 if you are on SD Card and Qi. It's pretty common to boot with rootfs ro initially... I have these problems also, and adding rw to append-GTA02 didn't solve it. Full content of my /boot/append-GTA02 is this: console=tty0 loglevel=8 rootdelay=1 rw (brainless copy-paste of everything related from Qi wiki page[1]). Problem is, I can't even tell for sure if Neo (Qi actually) boots from uSD or NAND. Hurting my eyes on running on-screen log I saw something like Waiting for 1sec before rootfs, which suggests that it's Qi taking appeng-GTA02 into consideration. Still I have multiple read-only filesystem tar warnings. Every power-up after battery out+in gives Neo several seconds to boot up -- detailed logs on screen -- then it just switches off. Next boots freezes like described by other people in this thread. First successful boot freezed on these lines in on-screen log: asoc: WM8753 HiFi - s3c24xx-2c mapping ok asoc: WM8753 Voice - Bluetooth mappgin ok Only GTA01 hardware supported by ASoc driver Next successful boot ended up with previous lines plus this (... means long message): mount: special device /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not exist ALSA: ... ... load_state:1327: No soundcard found... usb0: link is not ready done. And it freezed again. uSD card must be good, because I can read-write it through notebook card reader and if I go to NAND menu and modify boot command line to load from uSD, it works just fine. Behaviour is unstable: I could boot (from NAND!) *once* while trying to boot from uSD/Qi , and it's the same with 2008.12 release as well as with 04.01.2009 testing. I also boot with SIM card inserted so weak uSD reader contacts shouldn't be an issue. Should I return to u-boot technique for starting up Neo? I wanted to give Qi a try for it is a modern way of doing things. [1]http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: detect host type?
Maybe http://nmap.org/book/man-os-detection.html ? 2008/12/20 Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.us: OK, an FR has just been plugged into the USB port on a random host PC. Is there any way for the FR to consistently identify if it is a windows, mac, or linux host? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: detect host type?
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Evgeny Karyakin anthropophag...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe http://nmap.org/book/man-os-detection.html ? For nmap to work, there hane to be some network services on other side. I don't think some *random PC* will have one. May be some device info as shown in syslog/dmesg on Frerunner will help? I don't own Frerunner, so can't check it myself. 2008/12/20 Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.us: OK, an FR has just been plugged into the USB port on a random host PC. Is there any way for the FR to consistently identify if it is a windows, mac, or linux host? -- So long, and thanks for all the fish. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: starting kde on debian
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Jos vd Snepscheut j...@snepscheut.nl wrote: Hello, Since zhone does not appear on my FR with debian I have installed kde. question now is how do I change X to start up kde instead of zhone. Hi. IMHO KDE is little beet heavy for FR. to edit your ~/.xsession file. But first try read trough http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner maybe it'll help -- So long, and thanks for all the fish. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
2008/12/17 Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com: For case design, I find these (among others) great: - http://www.om.vptt.ch/site/?page_id=53 - http://www.rasterman.com/files/gta03-idea-1.png - iphone Dunno... First link propose a case suggesting iPhone look, I think we shouldn't follow everything Apple come out with, and I second to pill case. When I first saw GTA02 look, I thought it's ugly, but that was just because it's unusual; now I like it and like a bottom hole around antenna. With relation to Raster's case, if you're going to get sliding number keyboard, we just enter a troublesome field of hardware modification difficulties as infamous buzz/echo problem has proved us: * It's a moving part and can be broken. * Software developers will enforce heavier requirement on users to use keyboard; programs can become more difficult to use without it. * Localization issues. Hopefully Openmoko (phones) will be wide-spread across the world, but will Openmoko (company) be able to make several lingual versions of keyboard? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [testing] WSOD gone
2008/12/7 Andreas Cyberfrag Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This is on the testing branch. Flash OM2008.9, switch to testing as described here: http://n2.nabble.com/Optimization-team-update-%2811-23-%7E-11-29%29-td1595015.html#a1600801 and do a full update (opkg update opkg upgrade). Will it bump all the software to the latest? I mean, will the phone end up with all software from 2008.x official release (kernel + graphics + qtopia dialer + gps + ...), but latest versions of them? I guess so. For a couple of weeks I just take http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/ images to play with, and constantly being ridicued by colleagues like what have you bought, a black screen with white letters? :-) . I must say in this textual state Neo performs very well. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: microsSD doesn't mount any more!
2008/12/8 Tony Berth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | [ 30.365000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 8 Are there some glamo-mci errors floating around before that? some more feedback: I did format my card with 'http://www.sdcard.org/consumers/formatter/' but still doesn't work on FR. I get following dmesg: [ 73.055000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020 [ 73.055000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8120 [ 73.06] mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command [ 73.065000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0 [ 73.065000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0 ... I suffered (and to some extent still suffering) with similar troubles and ended up completely blank SD card with dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/mmcblk0 command, and then repartition it with fdisk as described in wiki[1]. Also you can try slowing down glamo rate for SD access by getting some hints from[2], although the latter trick has to deal with another problem. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Partioning_the_SD_card [2] http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743#comment:4 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2008.x] praise for the new testing image
2008/12/5 Vadim, Efimov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:05:19 +0300, John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to know how many people need this. My resource for qtopia is very limited and I need to decide what to fix first. mmm... how many people need USSD ? In Russia it is difficult get balance other way, and the USSD-message comes in cyrillic letters. also, we have many services via USSD... but, i'm not know how many freerunners sold in Russia. at least 20-30. There was a useful message[1] in openmoko-russia Google Groups list from Pavel Fertser, which essentially said: 1) First open one console and say: # mdbus -s -l org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device It will log everything device receiving. 2) Then issue following command in another console: # mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.SendUssdRequest *102# 3) You should see network's answer in first window. Replace *102# with a sequence of your GSM operator. [1] http://groups.google.ru/group/openmoko-russia/msg/8018ee80bc2fab7a ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bounties?
The only problem I see really is that there are many issues which are wrapped up together. For example, I'd happily pay AU$100 to have rock-solid with all the basic phone functionality, but for me this means suspend / resume, no echo, a simple (as in easy to use and understand) graphical volume control which can be adjusted during calls and automatically saves changes to the appropriate state file, PIM database and PIM synchronisation, Tasks / Calendar / alarms. From a user's perspective, these are kind of one big compound issue which I'd call give me equal functionality / reliability to a cheap nokia, whereas from a developer's perspective they're many small and widely diverse things that need to be done / improved. I certainly think it could be worth somebody setting up a bounties website, I believe I've seen similar things in the past... Looks sane. As virtually everybody want what you just enumerated, these $100-200-300-more(?) can be collected from large crowd of Openmoko users. Written once -- used by many. And yet it doesn't violate open source/development spirit. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community Digest, Vol 107, Issue 18
Hello Dmitry! 2008/11/26 Дмитрий Попов [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have Transend 2gb microSD card but problem with I/O according logs from Freerunner. According manuals : setenv bootargs glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=1000 But I haven't command like setenv Which pkg I need to install or maybe send me link to how-to. First thoroughly read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot (hint: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot#Bootloader_prompt), plus some additional advices can be found at http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743#comment:4 and further below. Please pay attention to your input as environment editing is a low-level task and things can break. And would you please change your e-mail name to something not using Cyrillic letters 'cause various mail archives like lists.openmoko.org and possibly nabble.com can't handle non-ASCII letters correctly. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2Gb transend SD: issue
2008/11/26 Dmitry Popov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi All Just I need only nice solution (some people have lost phone). I had some troubles with this procedure also, but I was assured here on the list that you can't break u-boot fatally doing this things. Just follow wiki[1] link to get familiar with getting u-boot console, and proceed to trac[2] link for step-by-step instructions, following by beni's success story. Another option (less safe definitely) can be reflashing[3] your NOR environment with snapshot from exactly the same revision of GTA02 which is already patched against this I/O problem; I don't think anybody would suggest you that. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader [2] http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743#comment:4 [3] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_NOR ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT]Software patents end? ??:) light at the end of tunnel
I think this movement will apply on newly-legalizing patents only, it will be too much counterforce against it. Patents is vital for software giants, it's just a basis of their market activity and relevancy. As of recent MP3 issue, open-source community can definitely apply just a little bit more willingness and forget about deprecated formats in favour of new ones. If there's a feeling among people like MP3 is a safe bay and Ogg-Vorbis/LAME/etc is uncertainty, it can be overcome easily. 2008/11/25 David Reyes Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dear all, Is a little bit offtopic but due recent mp2/mp3 fight against pirat... sorry Sysvel, maybe is interesting to spread this little bit of hope to the Openmoko community Trough a local FOSS-friendly news site[1] I read there is a 180 degrees in Software pattent policy in US pattent office , it can invalidate almost ALL Software patents aviable. Yes, seems a Fools day joke but Slashdot also has articles about this here[2] and here[3]. I'm very excited, but is too late night for a in depth read of legal mambo jambo , may be someone with more legal skills can assure that is so awesome as it seems [1]http://www.barrapunto.org [2]http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/07/24/1458215.shtml [3]http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/24/1713259 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I/O problems with SD card
2008/11/24 Nikita V. Youshchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, I know that, but I'm unable to connect to the phone through DFU protocol because Neo don't offer itself as a device supporting DFU. Have you tried to connect usb cable AFTER freerunner started NOR u-boot? I haven't; will do that later at home since I have neither phone nor Linux box here at work... Thanks for the hint. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I/O problems with SD card
2008/11/24 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My early problems with DFU disappeared after I took this approach in a script, it seems it can announce under two different PIDs (this one is for updating U-Boot): #!/bin/bash dfu-util -a 1 -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -D u-boot.udfu if [ $? -eq 1 ] ; then dfu-util -a 1 -d 0x1d50:0x5120 -D u-boot.udfu dfu-util -a 1 -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -D u-boot.udfu fi I'll try this as well, thanks, although listing of any connected DFU devices with dfu-util -l outputs nothing, which means desktop doesn't see Freerunner at all. I'll try Nikita's advice on connecting USB cable after starting NOR u-boot. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I/O problems with SD card
2008/11/24 Paul Fertser [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It might be a silly suggestion but please double-check the usb cable used, try to connect directly to the motherboard (avoid front-panel connectors and usb hubs). May be you should try another PC. By no means (as you have no dboard) you could have damaged the NOR bootloader by dfu-util. It should just work. The battery must be charged before the flashing (you can even use any full-charged Nokia battery). Try removing the battery for some time (to ensure clean boot), then boot directly into the NOR uBoot, connect to PC and try to flash. If it doesn't work, use another cable/usb port/pc. This might also be the cause of it, I'll check, thanks. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I/O problems with SD card
seems you experience the well known sd card issue. wiki and/or archives should offer a lot of postings on the issue. it boils down to setting sd_max_clk -- in your case in the nand boot environment since your fr seems unable to boot from sd at all. searching for sd_max_clk +openmoko should give you sufficient enough hits. Thanks for suggestion, I've found a lot of information on this. Now I have a disaster... Trying to follow http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743#comment:5 I entered /dev/ttyACM0 console and redefined bootcmd environment variable through minicom terminal emulator. Something went wrong -- I don't know what step caused it -- and since then Neo could still boot from NAND (kernel + rootfs) but couldn't be reflashed, it says something like writing past memory available, I guess it's because broken environment. I've found some promising info about Factory reset, but it wasn't in my NAND boot menu. Bad. Next I found Devirginator which promises to do that reset another way. One of the steps described in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader says that I need to make a shot of current env before modifying it writing it back in place. So I issued dfu-util -a u-boot_env -R -U env.in and this was the end. dfu-util said that no DFU device is present and exit. Now Neo can't even be seen as DFU device from my notebook. Although Freerunner boots its current software version, FSO milestone 4. What next? Resort to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bricked or search for a guy with Debug board or ...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I/O problems with SD card
From: arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] like writing past memory available, I guess it's because broken environment. hardly. i'd rather think you try to flash the wrong partition. what exactly did you do and what exactly did dfu-util or the fr report? I already flashed Freerunner several times before with dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D uImage-XX.bin with no troubles, last time I tried uImage-2.6.24+r10+gitr6e2a723ef54ee2e739c34786981b2c508db803c1-r10-om-gta02.bin which is 1895768 bytes long so there shouldn't be a problem here. dfu-util now can't even locate GTA02 when it's in NOR menu state. dfu-util -l says nothing, and dmesg has this: [20575.933963] usb 3-1.4: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 36 [20582.407633] usb 3-1.4: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 37 [20588.431796] usb 3-1.4: device descriptor read/64, error -110 [20595.195357] usb 3-1.4: device descriptor read/64, error -110 [20595.335909] usb 3-1.4: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 38 [20601.865524] usb 3-1.4: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 39 [20608.656191] usb 3-1.4: device descriptor read/64, error -110 [20616.763672] usb 3-1.4: device descriptor read/64, error -110 [20616.838742] usb 3-1.4: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 40 [20623.245361] usb 3-1.4: device descriptor read/64, error -110 [24031.580522] usb 3-1.4: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 41 [24038.054249] usb 3-1.4: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 42 [24044.080009] usb 3-1.4: device descriptor read/64, error -110 [24050.142505] usb 3-1.4: device descriptor read/64, error -110 [24050.214373] usb 3-1.4: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 43 [24066.486002] usb 3-1.4: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 44 and many other lines related to it, so I'm sure I'm bricked. DFU functionality disappeared right after I tried to take a snapshot of u-boot environment with dfu-util -a u-boot_env -R -U env.bin From: Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] If it's a Freerunner, just hold down that corner AUX button when you power on, you should get into a backup NOR copy of U-Boot and can DFU new stuff in from there. If you still get errors, post your dfu-util commandline. I'm in NOR menu already (see above) and dfu-util says that it writes u-boot piece past memory. Now thanks God all I have is working FSO m4 from where I can do something with this situation. For the original problem, actually my first suspect would be physical connectivity to the fingers in the uSD connector. A guy before found he had to add some paper on top of the SIM to push down enough to make reliable contact. Recent kernels have a workaround in that starts the card at slower clock until the first bulk transfer completed successfully when it is cranked up to 16MHz, that seemed to make the previous problems with some cards pretty much go away. I'm glad to hear it. It may be a good idea to have a backup rock-solid bare copy of working firmware somewhere inside Neo to restore it in such cases, although that tempting Factory reset option may be exactly what I'm talking about. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I/O problems with SD card
2008/11/24 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]: | dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D uImage-XX.bin Hum the -a u-boot or -a 1 tells it to put stuff in the U-Boot partition, it's the wrong one: uImage-blah.bin is a kernel image. To flash the kernel, you need to tell it -a kernel or -a 3. Ah yes, missed that, I write it by memory. To fix it you need to put a U-Boot image into the u-boot partition again. Why do you think it's bricked? The NOR menu comes up OK on LCM, right? DFU is absent, dfu-util -l finds no suitable device to work with, maybe because I damaged it when I changed environment in minicom console or I uploaded wrong image onto that. AUX+POW on the phone, menu appears, dfu-util -l on desktop, and no DFU device found. I know no other way of flashing new u-boot image without DFU protocol working, except Debug board which I haven't. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I/O problems with SD card
2008/11/24 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]: |DFU is absent, dfu-util -l finds no suitable device to work with, | maybe because I damaged it when I changed environment in minicom | console or I uploaded wrong image onto that. AUX+POW on the phone, | menu appears, dfu-util -l on desktop, and no DFU device found. |I know no other way of flashing new u-boot image without DFU | protocol working, except Debug board which I haven't. I'm not sure what's happening to you, but your dmesg traffic would be pretty normal if you were entering and then leaving U-Boot... the connection would indeed timeout (-110) when we leave U-Boot and load the kernel / crash or whatever. If you hold down the AUX / corner key when you power up, you should come up in NOR U-Boot with a menu on the LCM. If that's true, you should have 30s to do the DFU you want to do before it times out. Yes, I know that, but I'm unable to connect to the phone through DFU protocol because Neo don't offer itself as a device supporting DFU. I have Neo plugged in to desktop throught USB cable. AUX+POW gives me NOR boot menu and at the same time Neo must be visible to desktop as DFU-capable device within next 30 seconds, but it's not. That's why I (may be erroneously) call myself bricked -- I can boot Neo with it's currently installed software (FSO m4) but I can't update it's NAND to anything else since the moment I damaged(?) u-boot. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Open Linux phone gets datacasts
Charles Pax wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Natanael Arndt [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just found this: LinuxDevices.com: Open Linux phone gets datacasts (http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6565189083.html) Can someone explain how the the two pieces of hardware couple? It doesn't look like they connect via the USB connection and the only internal connection that seems reasonable is I2C. Are they connecting through something else? I think the debug connector (JTAG?) has some sort of serial interface. Please advies. USB testpoints on frerunner board http://openmokast.org/pictures.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [hiring] OpenGL Experts
Bryan DeLuca wrote: On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:07:59 +0200 Jean-Eric Cuendet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Specifically what we need is help doing OpenGL ES over X. The SoC would be the Samsungs 6410. So part driver work and part X work. Openmoko would be willing to hire somebody full time, part-time, or even on a per project basis. Samsung 6410 is FreeRunner chip or GTA04 one? If you're interested, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and CC myself. Thanks! -Sean Not used in any current OM phones. More info: http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productinfo.do?fmly_id=229partnum=S3C6410 Looks nice... The link above broken, here the right one. http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productInfo.do?fmly_id=229partnum=S3C6410 Also I cannot find any available technical documentation on-line, does it exists? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (NAND) boot problems with empty batteries ?
Harald Koenig wrote: Hi, when my gta02v5 battery is completely empty I have two problems booting again at all: 1) NAND u-boot does not work: after connecting AC charger I can start only NOR boot (aux button first), but the NAND boot (no aux button, only pwr button for 10+ seconds just does nothing, the aux button doesn't blink then either). removing power and battery for some 10 seconds doesn't help. just charging 10 minutes (using AC charger) before trying [nand] boot doesn't help right now either. update (I write this email because right now I'm that out of power mode again:-( after 10+ minutes connection to AC charger (still powered off) I can't even get into the NOR boot anymore. I removed the battery and AC, reconnected both and NOR boot came up. here I selected power off and tried to do a regular NAND boot (no aux) -- doesn't react. now NOR boot doesn't work either. after some waiting (1 min?) NOR boot comes up again, now I selected reboot (is this supposed to re-boot the nand uboot?). the screen got white for ~2 seconds, than black again and that's it:-( what's going wrong here ?? 2) boot process crashes (switches off) with usb power from notebook if I connect the FR to my notebook (Lenovo T61p) for power and once I manage to boot, the boot just crashes after a while (1-2+ minutes), I only have a black screen then and all I can do to boot again (long pwr on). usually in this situation all futher tries to boot won't come up either. I'm not sure if these crashes might be triggered by the notebook having some USB problems (device not accepting address ...) and thus disabling usb power for that port (port 2 disabled by hub (EMI?), re-enabling...) or if that hub-disabling is only a result of the FR already being crashed or switched off during boot. solution in this case: I removed the empty battery, replaced it with the battery of my real (nokia) phone (nokia). then boot works, and while FR is running and connected to the notebook I swap batteries again and charge the empty FR battery. I had this situation(2) at least 3-4 times before using various uboot/kernel/distro versions, I only started using the AC charger yesterday and realized, that it supplies much higher current and charging goes much faster (almost a fator 3 in charging rate!) are these known problems ? how can I get the FR up with empty batteries, how to charge an empty battery ? thanks for any hint or comment, Harald http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#PMU/Charger Issue ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new galician team for translate openmoko
Frco. Javier Rial wrote: Hi to everybody: My name is Frco. Javier Rial Rodríguez. I've registered a galician team in the Wiki for translation openmoko: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Translation#Galician I work in a government project (Mancomun.org) at Galicia. The main focus of the project is to promote open source software, and help our localization communities offering our services, and because of that, we want to translate OpenMoko into galician. I've read the Translation_HOWTO, download cvs copy and locate the *.po and *.pot files. There are 3 pot files (excluded the sample file): openmoko-calculator2/po/Calculator.pot openmoko-calculator/po/Calculator.pot openmoko-simplemediaplayer/po/bmp.pot And a lot of localized po for openmoko-feedreader2 openmoko-calculator2 openmoko-contacts openmoko-calculator openmoko-simplemediaplayer openmoko-panel I understand that I have to translate calculator, calculator2, simplemediaplayer, feedreader, contacts and panel. Do I miss something??, Do I need to translate any kind of images (logos, buttons, ...) or html pages? Hello Javier ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ppp support not in the kernel?
Benedikt Schindler wrote: hi, i am trying to start a internet connection on the Freerunner over GPRS. for the start i looked into this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM and i'm aware that this pages are not ASU or Freerunner related. i have managed to get the free GSM line. if i try to start a connection via pppd i got this message: pppd: This system lacks kernel support for PPP. This could be because the PPP kernel module could not be loaded, or because PPP was not included in the kernel configuration. isn't that build in? alle the opkg kernel-module-ppp-* are installed. but there is no kernel-module-ppp ? what could i do? beni PPP will work nice without in-kernel support. Is ppp in kernel needed on Freerunner? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Flash ASU
Scott wrote: Why do the latest ASU folders not have the kernel or root file system files? AFAIK if they are no changed, they don't appear again. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Freerunner User - Stick with GTK Any voicemail apps or monitors?
Alex Fitzpatrick wrote: Two questions: A) If part of my goal is to be a beta tester should I stick with the default software stack or switch to one of the other options? Use daily builds from: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ B) Are there any applications out there for managing or monitoring a voicemail account? Not yet. There is a LOT of people who want VoIP, and they trying to run some of programs available for Linux. regards ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OLSRD
Robert Schuster wrote: Hi, you know we already have B.A.T.M.A.N in OpenEmbedded but now I gave good old OLSRD a try too. I added a recipe for the latest release 0.5.5 and tested it on the device. It is working nicely along with the ar6000 being in ad-hoc mode (the preferred mode for mesh networks ;) ). No luck with 0.5.3 though - it crashes when I want to view the page generated by the httpinfo plugin. I wanted to do some NATting between the wifi interface and the usbnet connection (effectively making my desktop computer an internet gateway for the Berlin Freifunk community). However this was impossible since OpenMoko does not provide the iptables package (you can get the kernel modules but not the userspace application). You can build it on your own and then everything is fine though. There are also some minor issues with the wifi driver. I reported this[0] a while ago already. I am already happy but I would be so even more if: - olsrd version preference could be set to 0.5.5 - iptables could be installed directly via opkg The FreeRunner as a wifi mesh-node is a nice use case for the time after being a mobile phone. It would be one of the very few nodes that have a screen attached. :) I would like to offer screen shots but there is nothing spectacular to see on them. But perhaps you like some console output instead: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwconfig eth0 eth0 AR6000 802.11g ESSID:olsr.freifunk.net Mode:Ad-Hoc Frequency:2.457 GHz Cell: 02:CA:FF:EE:BA:BE Bit Rate=1 Mb/s Tx-Power=15 dBm Sensitivity=0/3 Retry:on Encryption key:off Power Management:off Link Quality:168/94 Signal level:-183 dBm Noise level:-96 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 (A fixed BSSID of '02:CA:FF:EE:BA:BE' is what we use in Berlin to overcome some problems with ad-hoc mode specification.) Starting the daemon: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# /etc/init.d/olsrd start Starting OLSR routing protocol daemon: olsr.org *** olsr.org - 0.5.5 *** Build date: 2008-06-26 23:09:18 on linkist http://www.olsr.org Parsing file: /etc/olsrd.conf olsr.org - 0.5.5 detaching from the current process... done. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# pidof olsrd 4479 Pinging a node that is a few hops away: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ping 104.192.0.156 PING 104.192.0.156 (104.192.0.156): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 104.192.0.156: seq=0 ttl=62 time=89.001 ms 64 bytes from 104.192.0.156: seq=3 ttl=62 time=45.555 ms --- 104.192.0.156 ping statistics --- 4 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 50% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 45.555/67.278/89.001 ms Traceroute to it: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# traceroute 104.192.0.156 traceroute to 104.192.0.156 (104.192.0.156), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 104.131.4.24 (104.131.4.24) 15.096 ms 29.789 ms 12.770 ms 2 104.131.4.26 (104.131.4.26) 12.536 ms 11.377 ms 10.147 ms 3 104.192.0.156 (104.192.0.156) 25.497 ms 51.212 ms 51.228 ms Actually I could find something that may show I am really using this on the Neo. I attached is httpinfo plugin generated webpage showing my configuration. There are few devices where eth0 is a wifi card. :D If you are interested I also attached by olsrd.conf. You need to have olsrd-plugin-httpinfo, olsrd-plugin-nameservice (didn't work as expected) and olsrd-plugin-dyngw installed besides the daemon. Regards Robert [0] - http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1392 Nice enough! I really like mesh networking protocols work on Neos. Maybe I'll try to run Netsukuku. OK first I have to buy one. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AM/FM radio
Francesco Cat wrote: thank you. I was not aware of this. I will buy a separate 10€ FM radio ;) 2008/6/25 Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This has already been addressed by an openmoko member. There seemed to be a LOT of additional taxes for devices which can receive FM. y On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Francesco Cat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will an AM/FM radio will be implemented in future versions of the GTA? A radio should not be so much hardware/software expensive. Where was a lot discussion about AM/FM radio on the lists during 2007. Have a look at http://www.google.com/search?aq=fnum=50complete=1hl=ensafe=offq=fm+radio+site%3Alists.openmoko.orgbtnG=Search Somebody wants to add receiver as a HW mod, somebody mentioned an usb receiver which probably will work with Neos. Maybe you will find interesting information. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: quemu w/ gat02
Wilkinson, Alex wrote: 0n Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 09:26:20AM +0400, Evgeny Ginzburg wrote: arne anka wrote: using openmoko/download.sh i always get the gta01 files. now i changed gta01 in openmoko/env to gta02 or gta02fake and the gta02 files are downloaded -- but flash.sh fails horribly while printing s3c_nand_read: Bad register 0x20 infinitely. google shows two irc-logs with a question regarding this, but no answer. could somebody please give a hint how to get qemu running w/ gta02 asu? In short, qemu (now) isn't capable to emulate gta02, just gta01. You can build and use ASU images on qemu. There is no big difference between two versions. Has anyone written up the process on how to to emulate ASU on Qemu ? Hm, I just use Mokomakefile: make update-makefile make update setup make openmoko-devel-image # OR make qtopia-x11 make flash-qemu-local make run-qemu * notice I haven't tried it for a week or something like this. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: quemu w/ gat02
arne anka wrote: using openmoko/download.sh i always get the gta01 files. now i changed gta01 in openmoko/env to gta02 or gta02fake and the gta02 files are downloaded -- but flash.sh fails horribly while printing s3c_nand_read: Bad register 0x20 infinitely. google shows two irc-logs with a question regarding this, but no answer. could somebody please give a hint how to get qemu running w/ gta02 asu? In short, qemu (now) isn't capable to emulate gta02, just gta01. You can build and use ASU images on qemu. There is no big difference between two versions. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: using the openmoko neo101 in mass storage mode
manoj kumar wrote: hello Already i have posted to this community regarding this question but i didn get any response. Can the openmoko mobile be used as a mass storage device, or can it be networked with windows??? It would b very helpfull if i am getting any reply( even if there s no way to do so, mail me stating tat.) Generally, yes for both. From any Linux you can scp/sftp to it. For Windows interoperability there is samba for openembedded and Openmoko is openembedded based. I'm in doubt it (samba) will be in installed by default. You may install it yourself. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Wiki broken slightly
The navigation on the bottom of the line. and the are /div under the menu. P.S. thanks for IRC ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: End User Input....and Question
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I may not be the typical end user, I want to say that i believe this phone will have appeal to end users like me, who are looking for a phone that can be updated and customized. The Freerunner is in a great position to appeal to those who think GREEN. I have 5 cell phones that need to be recycledwhat a waste. My question is... since I am not a developer... what would be the risk of getting one when available to list members?Appreciate any input. Been waiting so long. Cannot say much about risks From technical POV Freerunner is just a great smart phone running free operating system. If you ready to update software running on device frequently and not frightened by possible bugs or missing features for a while - buy it. Otherwise wait for mass production and consumer ready software. Openmoko want to produce working hardware, make it available early to developers and polish software on the go. Take this points. Make your decision. vote to have the AC charger and stylus and the lanyard (unique with the logo) Mary -- С уважением, Гинзбург Евгений, Системный администратор HighLink ISP Санкт Петербург, Россия +7 812 334-12-12 http://www.hl.ru/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008
Niluge KiWi wrote: With the two accelerometers in the FreeRunner, I think we can recognise lots of gestures, not only simple ones like a click (which is already recognised by the accelerometers used in the FreeRunner). The main difficulty is probably to extract the useful data from the gestures noise : calibration may take time. The goal is to have an almost pre-calibrated library (an idea from the wish-list in the Wiki is to allow the user to record its own gestures, but I think it's not easy to do it simple for the end-user). Good idea, but consider to store calibration data separately. This will made the library more general. You want reuse it in other devices. So the recorded gestures. The accelerometers could provide not only small gestures recognition (like the ones listed on the Wiki: up-side-down, shaking, flipping, ...), but full 3D-space positioning from a start position (when the software is started). So long, and thank for all the fish. Evgeny. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Qemu on GTA02, the problem still here
Jens Fursund wrote: Same problem here :( On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I have no idea about the GTA02 instructions for Qemu, but this morning I saw that the GTA01 for Qemu stopped to run. This morning there was a commit by andrew :) after make clean ./configure.sh make openmoko/flash.sh I got this error: qemu: fatal: Trying to execute code outside RAM or ROM at 0x Someone had the same issue? Thank to all, and compliment to the mailing list 2008/3/6, François TOURDE [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I've not found in the Wiki how to run GTA02 and associated OM images on a qemu. Is it possible? Thanks in advance for any link/idea. Just remind to all. It still doesn't work with latest sources, at least on my Debian Sid I've localized problem to lines 79-81 of flash.sh, but have no idea how to fix it. Log http://pastebin.com/m55e0ddaa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qemu on GTA02, the problem still here
Toni Schmidbauer wrote: Just remind to all. It still doesn't work with latest sources, at least on my Debian Sid I've localized problem to lines 79-81 of flash.sh, but have no idea how to fix it. Log http://pastebin.com/m55e0ddaa http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.thirdparty/1574 this thread should answer your question. it's a bug in u-boot, a patch is already available and was merged by werner almesberger. In current builds this bug exists, patch inserted in revision 4230, but i really don't know which revision OE use now how migrate to 4230. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problem trying to build qemu-local using MokoMakefile
François TOURDE wrote: Hi, Trying to run make qemu-local, I got the following message, some lines after Please wait, programming the NAND flash... -8---8---8---8---8-- neo_vib_switch: Vibrator stopped. neo_bl_switch: LCD Backlight now on. qemu: fatal: Trying to execute code outside RAM or ROM at 0x -8---8---8---8---8-- (More detailed trace can be found here: http://pastebin.com/m239ade67) Got the same error on Debian sid ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Email App
Tim Shannon wrote: I'm curious if anyone knows that status of an Email app. I though originally there was going to be one app that handled all communication, SMS, internet chat, email, etc, but I haven't seen anything like this with the new 2007.2 framework. Is anyone working on this, or what will the status of this app be around December when the gta02 (hopefully) goes up for sale? thanks, There is mockup made by Milko Krachounov implementing GUI only for mail and it'll posiibly to expand it. Take a look at: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-apps/2007-November/000279.html ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Let's move on to other issues
Ron Jeffries wrote: We have beaten the 850 Mhz issue to death. Likewise... Apple iPhone form factor and GUI is cool and Oh my God, Google's Gphone is the end of civilization (and OpenMoko). Let's shift our group energy to helping the OpenMoko team make this a killer open source phone + PDA product. Remember that time to market is vital. That means the first iteration will mainly appeal to ROW (rest of world, outside USA), but since we know FIC is working the 850 Mhz issue, the US version should arrive say 90 days later, Focus, focus focus. We'll overcome this glitch No more whining! smile Thanks Ron For couple of last days thouse discussions don't made my reading expirience better. I just prefer to made all of messsages from thread redad and move on. IMHO there lot of to do on community side. Lets make the next move Regards Evgeny ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: state of the project message sent upon subscription
Michael Shiloh wrote: Jeff, That's a great idea. I'll look into implementing this. Thanks, Michael Ni Michael Think deeper, how about automating of this issue? sample Software bugs: 10 new | 11 resolved Hardware bubs: 4 new | 2 resolved New Projects this week: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/mokogammon/ The page of the week: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Navigation Jump on and improve it. We need you help. /sample You can imagine any type of output. Simple python script can do all the stats, mail to you, you will add come comments. Voilà! You got community update. Best regards, Evgeny ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Possible security hole for Dialers/troyan horses
On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 07:35 -0800, Tim Newsom wrote: On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 6:09, Evgeny wrote: It still Linux based phone — there is absolutely no real-life viruses for Linux at this time, trojans are possible treat, but user have to install them by himself. That's a pretty strong statement.. Are you absolutely sure there are no viruses for linux in the wild? Nope. If you find one, let me know I'll get, compile $ run the beast a little (In virtual machine of course). Well if then you speak about trojans, the cure is DO NOT INSTALL THEM. Security holes may exist, but patching them is simple then you know about them, and in OpenMoko it will be automated by ipkg. Read trough http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Security-HOWTO/ it contains some basics of security in Linux. When we will speak the same language. There is no Norton Internet security, that can protect you from unknown treats. When you know about trojan or something, you simple don't use (it if you don't wont to). It would seem to me that the time to think about protection is before you have a problem. Granted, you will never catch everything up front. However, thinking about and dealing with the trojan, virus , issue is not too different from the steps we were taking to notify about unintended actions of programs. I.e. Getting a notification and deciding on how the action should be handled, etc. I think Norton Internet security does an excellent job on windows.. It knows about many, many applications and versions of them, can tell you if it was modified or contains known threats including trojans, lets you know when a program does something it was not explicitly allowed to do and does it pretty well without making my laptop crawl. Combined with a rootkit detection system of some kind it would be great, but I am sure there are still holes in it I don't see. Right? I would use it on my phone if it existed for that platform. --Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sincerely Evgeny ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Possible security hole for Dialers/troyan horses
On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 10:19 +0100, Bartłomiej Zdanowski DRP AC2 wrote: I'm afraid that you're going a bit too far. I thought about making costs with illegal calls and smses. Virus protection should appear only when viruses appear. It still Linux based phone — there is absolutely no real-life viruses for Linux at this time, trojans are possible treat, but user have to install them by himself. If he want to install some unsigned/not known application, the best thing is to warn him about possible treat. You don't intend to think instead of user, don't you? Otherwise scanner would kill system's performance (as NAV do in my computer and I always disable it while not installing unknown apps). Linux based phone you don't need anti-virus at all. Think about average users. They don't need rating. They sometimes even don't know exactly what spam is. It has to be as simple as possible. Simple — Yes! Point to stupidity — Don't think so. -- Sincerely Evgeny ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Free maps after all?
Just to mention, use of Google maps is not free, it comes only with their software, or trough the browser interface see Gaia project homepage for reference http://gaia.serezhkin.com/ they are switched to NASA maps (public domain) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Itch2: Trivial to use Go game program
Sounds pretty good, maybe add to this kind of programm possibilty to play online with another people, after teaching process. In this case it wil turn even more usable. On 1/25/07, Aloril [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go program that would allow start playing Go without even reading rules. Animations would 'explain' liberties and solidly connected units of stones by flashing them for a short time after move. Especially combined with touch screen should allow even 2-3 year old children to play Go against computer. Player only need to be able to touch at screen at point (s)he wants to place stone. Phone would then reply and wait for another touch (move). I suspect that eventually player would figure out what is happening without any explanation. Computer opponent would start close to random strength and increase strength gradually as player increases in strength. http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Go_Teaching_Program -- Aloril [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OLSR and BATMAN on Neo
It may be not only fun but really useful. I'd already wrote about my wish to see Netsuskuku (my favor mesh networking protocol) port on OpenMoko. Let's see when phone will in hands, and wireless will be included. It is possible also to establish connection to Netsukuku via Internet, since we already will have GPRS. The point here is the other people to connect to :-) On 12/18/06, Warren Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has any one thought of porting/installing OLSR or BATMAN to OpenMako. FYI it works perfectly on Linux so I guess this should not be hard. It would be kind of fun to have a wireless mesh network on phones. Warren Brian Noronha ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Mesh networking with Openmoko
Hello Thanks for releasing such a good alternative phone. After WiFi enter in the picture in v2 (crossed fingers), Neo1973 platform will turn most suitable piece of hardware to run some kind of mesh networking protocol. I'll try Netsukuku http://netsukuku.freaknet.org/ Some reasons pro: minimalistic in processor memory consumption there is already an netsukuku-internet gateway just dreaming on possibility to when I'll get close to my friend with Neo (netsukuku included) two netsuskuku daemons on the phones will decide automatically, decision will be based on AGPS data, to switch from Internet/Intranet gateway connectivity to physical network. Then my call (data transfer) will switch from VoIP to VoP2P (or data connection will turn much _faster_). The same thing when I'll came home: syncing with desktop/laptop will turn on automatically on _fast_ WiFi line On you work meting phones will create mesh network it will be possible to run presentation from one Neo on many. And so on. I'll post on netsukuku mail list list concerning Neo1973/Openmoko as a new promising platform any comments or fresh Ideas? P.S. Second thought, I want packet radio to, for long distance network connects but not in the phone, standalone. Nice day to all Evgeny ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
