Re: [wikireader] There are updates!
They just posted the release, so it is not 2 months old. I finally got it downloaded last night, but had some problems getting it loaded correctly. I'll try again once I get home from work tonight. Also, screen keyboard seems to be more responsive. Also, I was able to flash a new boot rom that gives me a Hitchhikers Guide Dont Panic splash screen. On Friday, August 13, 2010 12:59:02 pm Doug Jones wrote: > I just noticed that there are updated WikiReader files available. > Happened a couple months ago. I don't think this was announced on the > list at the time (or at least I didn't see it whizzing by). > > > I see that the little gizmo can handle multiple wikis now. You can put > subdirectories on the SD card and it knows how to use them. This is > excellent. > > There are a bunch of languages available, as well as English Wiktionary > and English Wikiquote. > > > See: > > http://thewikireader.com/update/ > > > If you want to use torrents for downloading instead, go here: > > http://dev.thewikireader.com/beta-language-packs/ > > (That page is labeled 'Beta', but the links now appear to be pointing to > the same files listed on the other page.) > > > There's a developer blog too: > > http://dev.thewikireader.com/ > > > > P.S. Can anybody give a list of 16GB SD cards that are known to work in > the WikiReader? Or should we expect that they all will work? > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] There are updates!
After I make sure everything is working correctly, I'll post the rom image and procedure to flash online. Like any other flash though, you can brick the device. On Friday, August 13, 2010 02:23:20 pm Brian wrote: > On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:41:25 -0500 > > Jeff wrote: > > Also, I was able to flash a new boot rom that gives me a Hitchhikers > > Guide Dont Panic splash screen. > > I'd consider buying one just for that feature alone. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community <>___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Got also a WikiReader now
It's easy to load languages on the card. But unfortunately, they don't have a Polish Wiki yet. As long as you get the international Wikireader, it supports up to a 16gb microSD card. International comes with an 8gb. English takes up about 5gb. Summer 2010 Update (8GB, 16GB) Download the base image and then download the language packs that you want to use: Base Files (12.2 MB): All English Wikipedia (5 GB): Parts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 中文 Wikipedia (449.8 MB): All 日本語 Wikipedia (1.4 GB): Parts 1, 2 Português Wikipedia (640.2 MB): All Norsk (bokmål) Wikipedia (294.8 MB): All Ελληνικά Wikipedia (106.7 MB): All Français Wikipedia (1.6 GB): Parts 1, 2 Suomi Wikipedia (310.7 MB): All Dansk Wikipedia (162.1 MB): All Deutsch Wikipedia (1.9 GB): Parts 1, 2 Nederlands Wikipedia (678.2 MB): All Español Wikipedia (1.1 GB): Parts 1, 2 Cymraeg Wikipedia (30.9 MB): All Русский Wikipedia (1 GB): All Magyar Wikipedia (311.4 MB): All English Wikiquote (53.8 MB): All English Wiktionary (388.1 MB): All On Thursday, September 09, 2010 07:20:23 pm Adam Bogacki wrote: > On -9/01/37 07:59, Alexander Lehner wrote: > > Since 'Pulster' recently posted, that he has Germanized WikiReaders, I > > could not resist and ordered one. > > Now I've got it and started playing around (first removed the cap to > > see the connector to the debug serial interface - disappointed, I need > > a special adapter to it). > > But what really surprised me was the fact, that the delivered SD card > > not only held a german Wikipedia, but also a english and a dutch one! > > and I can switch between then during runtime and even the history > > function tracks the different country-specific entries correctly. > > This function makes it valuable for me, since there are a lot of > > country-specific pages which are not translated to other languages > > (simply because it sometimes makes no sense). > > > > Of course I was looking around to see some hacks or mods, but I was > > too lazy to set up my own build-chain. The Fortran interface is nice > > for some tests, indeed. > > Just for the joy of "yes, we can" I'd be intersted in some different > > ways of abusing that device, and I'm missing a email group like this > > one for the OM handy. > > Any pointers to active hackers for the WikiReader? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Alex. > > Is there a dual polish - english wikireader SD card available yet ? > > Adam Bogacki, > > adam.boga...@clear.net.nz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] update experience
There are 2 different wikireaders available. One with a 2gb card and one with a 4+gb card. As I understand it, the 2gb only supports a single language, and the English version is a special one that will fit in 2gb. The 4+gb version will do multiple languages and other things. Since I am from the USA, I am a pin head and only speak one language ;) . I therefore have the full English wiki, along with wikiquotes and the wiktionary and no other languages. The 4gb version supposedly can use micro-sd up 16gb. Also, to make sure you are running the correct version of software, there should be a globe icon on the main screen. You use that to select other languages/wikis. Hope that helped. Jeff On 12/25/2010 3:53 PM, Alexander Lehner wrote: Sorry for posting this here, I don't know if there's already a list for the WR. I've got a WikiReader now for some month and my 10y daughter surprisingly likes it, so I finally decided to get one for my parents as christmas gift. The one I've got came with english, german and netherlands wikis, so I assumed the new one would do so, too. But it didn't, so I had to update the german language package. The Update software so far is really easy and it recognizes the SD card without choosing it from any USB device. It told my to update the base image and the german language, it took about 3-4 hours to download the 1.7GB. After starting the WR again, even the english language was gone, only an empty search window showed up. So I looked at the content of the SD card and still the timestamps of the base files seemed wery old to me. The german language package seemed ok. Then I downloaded the base image from the .torrent file, which seemed to me the only up-to-date source I could get. It was quite a pain, because the only torrent client I had on my parents computer was the torrent downloader from Opera, which is quite slow compared to other torrent clients. After putting the new base files to the SD card, at least the german language was there. I don't know what happened with the english. According to the docs there seems to be a single-language installation (all lang files at root directory) and a multi-lang version with each language in a subfolder. Obviously the do not co-exist. And the well-known problems: Touchscreen is hard to handle (but learnable), backlight for people of higher age is really missing because of their eyes. At least the contrast setup (which seems only to appear if you boot the device without sd card) could/should be part of the usual sdcard-'OS'. (for example pressing the power button short instead of holding it for power-down?). So far I'm now happy with it, I like the device, if my parents do - we will see ;) Alex. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Wikireader Hitchhiker's Guide Splash
As a new year's treat I threw together some instructions on how to flash your Wikireader with a modified boot rom that will give you a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Don't Panic splash screen. Usual caveats apply. You can brick your machine doing this, so be careful. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NEhmivcAWBXV4KigVak8SjAiWxaB7aors4Ehzfs62TM/edit?hl=en ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko / Medion Wikireader?
I knew the mediaon and pandigital were the compressed and shortened versions of the Wikireader. The big one can use larger SD cards, so you can carry around more information. Mine has the full english wikipedia, wiktionary, and wikiquotes on an 8gb microsd. If you use a 16 gb card, you can add even more info, like Gutenberg. However, I don't think the smaller capacity wikireaders are capable of addressing the 8gb and larger cards. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shipping very expensive
FWIW Buenos Aires, Argentina was $140 (2 fones + dev board). Federico Lorenzi wrote: > Ha, only 100 dollars for you. Shipping to South Africa is $160 > > On 7/7/08, Flyin_bbb8 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> hey everyone i live in Qatar, and just to see how much the shipping would be >> for the 900 MHz i just tried to check out the 850 version and shipping to >> Doha - Qatar ( where i stay ) with UPS worldwide expedited is 97.59 USD, and >> UPS saver 101.23 USD, that's just unacceptable and very expensive. why >> so? and why do we not have other choices like FedEx or DHL or even others... >> why are we restricted on using just UPS, we should have more options... i >> have done other purchases from other websites and normally the shipping >> would be between 20 USD to 40 USD as a maximum... but not 97 USD >> > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Package and image signatures
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 07:26:01AM +0200, Kalle Happonen wrote: > Hi, > would it be possible to add signatures for the packages and hashes for > the images? As well, the prebuilt image files should have at least one of: md5sum, sha1sum, or pgp signature files. -- Jeff My other computer is an abacus. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Software Emulator
Richi Plana escribió: On Sat, 2007-02-17 at 07:23 -0700, Ben Burdette wrote: It would be nice to have an emulator to actually run the software over on the computer side. Not that that's the best way to have a desktop side to openmoko, but in the palm world its just reality that most developers never make a desktop component to their application. With a solid, easy to use emulator and a sync utility you could run anything that runs on the phone, barring actually making calls or get gps signals. Besides the emulator, I'd like to see a nice contacts and calendar app on the PC side, similar to the palm desktop. Seems one of the more common sentiments around here (myself included). I was wondering if we could get a statement from Sean et al. on where a software emulator is in their priority list or even if it is in the queue of things they're developing in-house. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ Well, I'm not Sean, but here's what I've been able to scrape up. It seems you can go a couple routes: qemu or xoo. I do not think that qemu can handle the MACHINE="fic-gta01". But it can handle MACHINE="qemuarm". You could also build for MACHINE="x86". This should work fine under qemu as well. http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/UsefulConfigurations http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/qemu/ http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/002350.html http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/001626.html Another option is to build locally for your `arch` and run the application under xoo (Xnest/Xephyr). http://projects.o-hand.com/xoo/ http://www.datenfreihafen.org/~stefan/OpenMoko/neo1973-xoo-device.tar.bz2 I haven't actually run any moko apps in emulation yet, but thought I would pass this along. :) -Jeff ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Voice Activated Controls
Jonathon Suggs wrote: Does anyone know of any software for natural language processing that could be ported to OM/Neo? I really like some of the software that is available for the PocketPC (MS Voice Commander and Fonix). They both run and work well on a resource limited platform as well, so it *can* be done, but both are closed. Here are a couple of OS engines: http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/pocketsphinx/ http://julius.sourceforge.jp/en_index.php?q=en/index.html http://xvoice.sourceforge.net/ So I guess, is there already any voice control software planned/worked on for use in OpenMoko? If not, I'll help out, but can we get a project up and running? I have tried sphinx a few times over the last few years (the project has been around for quite awhile). It never was great for continuous processing like dictating an email, but it worked fine if you gave it a set of commands and a limited dictionary. pocketsphinx is already in openembedded and it compiles fine. OE is currently using pocketsphinx 0.2.1 and sphinxbase 0.1. The current upstream releases are pocketsphinx 0.3 and sphinxbase 0.2.1. I bumped the version numbers in the *.bb files and they still compile fine. Now to actually test them on a neo someday... ;) As for xvoice (which looks kind of abandoned), this pretty much sums it up: "In order to run xvoice, you will need a licensed version of ViaVoice for Linux." Julius looks very nice, but they only have Japanese models at the moment. I have also seen, in the long past, one that used the method suggested another place in this thread: you record a sample and when that sample is later detected it triggers a script. This is a different approach--no language models, not speaker independent, etc. But it is also quite flexible and typically pretty accurate. When I gave it a run years ago, the project I used sort of looked like a "one off" (e.g. a guy's weekend project later forgotten). Now if only I could remember it's name... ;) So, in sum, sphinx is ready today though there are other options. It would be interesting to hear from other openembedded folks how well sphinx has worked on 200MHz-ish ARM-like processors. -Jeff /#jebba ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Voice Activated Controls
Dean Collins wrote: The answer is no, the neo processing power is too limited. Or perhaps the answer is more like "maybe". ;) I'm still holding my breath for pocketsphinx... The page does say it works with StrongARM, which if I'm reading wikipedia correctly was just 206MHz. You need to start thinking bigger guys. Why does the processing need to occur on the handset itself? What about building a 'cloud' application where the application and processing occurs with only a sip or gsm connection to the handset? Check out http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Tellme for an idea on what I am describing. This is a nice idea to offload processing to another box and spit back the results. One big problem I have with the Tellme approach is that it isn't free as it's using some service provider. Blah for me there. That said, there's no reason the ideas behind it couldn't be implemented freely. I've done speech recognition with sphinx and asterisk. It doesn't work too great--the main problem being that GSM is a pretty low quality sample for it to work with. You know how you can never understand anyone talking on a cell phone? ;) Well, sphinx can't understand it too well either. But pocketsphinx (which I haven't tried) lists on their page "telephone-bandwidth models"--this looks promising. For SIP, you need some sort of net connection, of course, and I think we can assume that that is coming. Then you can use alaw/ulaw instead of GSM and that will help recognition quite a bit... -Jeff/#jebba ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Voice Activated Controls
Dean Collins wrote: Hey Jeff, I was going to mention sphinx (or even a lumenvox installation), but this would require people to have an asterisk installation if they were going to run this application. An ASP service will always offer more accuracy and functionality and needn't be too expensive. I can buy a closed phone with more features perhaps too... I prefer the functionality of free/open systems to buying services. Plus asterisk totally kicks ass. ;) Hell if you are going to install asterisk on a home server may as well buy a Mexuar Corraleta license (www.mexuar.com) so you can do the calls via a browser :) Why buy a license when it can be done for free? "MozIAX is a Firefox VoIP extension, a cross platform software IAX2 phone (softphone) to be used with Asterisk, the Open Source PBX. Like Asterisk, MozIAX is free software." http://moziax.mozdev.org/ -Jeff ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Voice Activated Controls
Dean Collins wrote: Hi Jeff, Nope not the same thing, not the same functionality. Ya, moziax is more useful. ;) In sum, moziax (formerly mozphone) is a firefox plugin that turns the browser into a softphone. Coraleta is a proprietary thing companies can buy so when shoppers are surfing their web pages they can click on a "connect" button and get a sales rep who can see the context of the webpage they are looking at. It's similar to the "Live Chat" thing commercial sites often have, but uses voice. Dean Collins originally wrote: > Hell if you are going to install asterisk on a home server may as well > buy a Mexuar Coraleta license (www.mexua.com) so you can do the calls > via a browser :) Now, why the hell someone want a Coraleta license with a home asterisk server is beyond me. I assume you're just spamming us with a client of yours. FWIW, my asterisk server is in a data center. But I think we're getting quite OT now... -Jeff ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Voice Activated Controls
Dean Collins wrote: No you wouldn't want to install Mexuar on your home asterisk server, it costs $US2,000 it's only meant for commercial installations. Ok, but that's what you said in an earlier post. That's my point with Mexuar any java compliant browser not just your firefox browser can connect to your asterisk server. You will never be able to get every single person you communicate with to a/ install firefox b/ install the plugin Nor get them all to have java... It does also presume they have decent bandwidth (both setups do). I'm in the "third world" and can tell you the bandwidth is not always there... Oh, and does the user have a microphone plugged in and placed correctly etc... It also brings me to another point about the topic itself. The nice thing about pocketsphinx is that you don't have to be in cell/wifi coverage area for it to work. Since the neo and it's cousins will be more than just phones, that's definitely an advantage. BUT what it does mean is that you can have a sip or iax softphone on your Neo handset and then allow anyone with a browser to browse to any webpage you install the corraleta url on that they can call you for free. Ya, free for them, $2,000 for me plus a closed solution tie-in. It looks like these guys do a similar thing for free (but still closed): http://www.peerme.com/ Another for money: http://www.gphone.com/service/webcallback Perhaps this one too: http://www.vaxvoip.com/ Or these folks, back in 2004: http://www.vocalscape.com/ And...etc... http://www.asteriskdialer.com I think even google talk does click-to-talk, no? You guys still haven't got it yet, Well don't presume what the rest of the world is thinking from a couple emails of mine... You sound version presumptuous. with enough bandwidth on a single Asterisk server and Mexuar, you could basically deliver calls to every Neo globally eliminating all inbound and international call charges. You still think I'm spamming Jeff? Yes. Do you have financial interests with them at all? The original thread was about Voice Activated Controls and has devolved into this. I took the time out to check out your links only to find them dead ends since they are closed. Maybe I'm just thinking bigger picture which is why I keep talking about network services and you guys talk about gsm subsidies. Ya, we're all so dumb here. Thank god you're around passing light. Perhaps the reason many of us are here is because we are looking for free/open solutions and are very very tired of being bound to closed systems such as Mexuar, no matter how pretty their flash is. Maybe we're actually thinking about the bigger picture (e.g. free/open) and you're just talking about subsidies for your companies... -Jeff ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Voice Activated Controls - pocketsphinx RPMS
jeff wrote: Jonathon Suggs wrote: Does anyone know of any software for natural language processing that could be ported to OM/Neo? I really like some of the software that is available for the PocketPC (MS Voice Commander and Fonix). They both run and work well on a resource limited platform as well, so it *can* be done, but both are closed. Here are a couple of OS engines: http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/pocketsphinx/ http://julius.sourceforge.jp/en_index.php?q=en/index.html http://xvoice.sourceforge.net/ So I guess, is there already any voice control software planned/worked on for use in OpenMoko? If not, I'll help out, but can we get a project up and running? I have tried sphinx a few times over the last few years (the project has been around for quite awhile). It never was great for continuous processing like dictating an email, but it worked fine if you gave it a set of commands and a limited dictionary. pocketsphinx is already in openembedded and it compiles fine. OE is currently using pocketsphinx 0.2.1 and sphinxbase 0.1. The current upstream releases are pocketsphinx 0.3 and sphinxbase 0.2.1. I bumped the version numbers in the *.bb files and they still compile fine. Now to actually test them on a neo someday... ;) As for xvoice (which looks kind of abandoned), this pretty much sums it up: "In order to run xvoice, you will need a licensed version of ViaVoice for Linux." Julius looks very nice, but they only have Japanese models at the moment. I have also seen, in the long past, one that used the method suggested another place in this thread: you record a sample and when that sample is later detected it triggers a script. This is a different approach--no language models, not speaker independent, etc. But it is also quite flexible and typically pretty accurate. When I gave it a run years ago, the project I used sort of looked like a "one off" (e.g. a guy's weekend project later forgotten). Now if only I could remember it's name... ;) So, in sum, sphinx is ready today though there are other options. It would be interesting to hear from other openembedded folks how well sphinx has worked on 200MHz-ish ARM-like processors. Ok, I built some quick & dirty pocketsphinx packages for FC6-based distros so folks can start kicking around sphinx before their neos arrive. :) Untested... You'll need the pocketsphinx and sphinxbase packages: ftp://ftp.blagblagblag.org/pub/BLAG/linux/6/en/os/i386/BLAG/RPMS.extras/ If you are running a different RPM based distro you can get the SRPMS to rebuild from here: ftp://ftp.blagblagblag.org/pub/BLAG/linux/60000/en/os/i386/SRPMS.extras/ Have fun, -Jeff ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Getting_Openmoko_working_on_host_with_Xoo
Denis Kot wrote: Great, finally I've got it working with xoo. But I've two problems with it: 1. no cursor over xoo screen Try: To see the cursor, change /etc/matchbox/session SHOWCURSOR="yes" -Jeff ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Crossroads
Imre Kaloz wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:51:00 +0100, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Sean, 1) We can't find a WiFi Chipset with GPL'ed drivers -- We know this has been discussed (to death) on this list, but as we're beginning work on the next summer hardware refresh we still can't seem to find a vendor that meets our strict requirements: Namely, we refuse to put anything binary in the kernel. Marvell has some nice for larger devices (the 8388). But we need one specifically for mobile phones (like the 8686). If somebody can help us find the right vendor, we'll give you a free Neo1973. If you're a vendor and want to work with us to GPL your driver, we'll give you lots of business -- and a free phone ;-) Atheros AR6K - check http://atheros.com/pt/AR6001Bulletins.htm , and for the fully GPL'ed driver and SDIO stack please check http://sourceforge.net/projects/sdio-linux/ I hardly think you will find a better alternative ;) From common_atheros_sdiostack.patch (in sdio-linux tarball): "Any implementation of the Simplified Specification may require a license from the SD Card Association or other third parties." Any insight on "may" in this case? Thanks, -Jeff ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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[WikiReader] Battery Life
I just burned through the 2nd set of batteries with my wikireader in a month and a half. I know I have averaged less than 15 minutes a day of on time, so I am getting no where near the 90 hours of battery life advertised. Don't know if I have a bad one, or if the code needs tweaking. Anyone else notice the battery life has not been so good? Jeff ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [WikiReader] Battery Life
Alkaline, the original energizer batteries that came with the device. I may have some NiMH batteries lying around somewhere, but I don't have any AAA lithium polymer nor a suitable charger. Alex Teiche wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Jeff <mailto:jcolb...@netins.net>> wrote: > > I just burned through the 2nd set of batteries with my wikireader in a > month and a half. I know I have averaged less than 15 minutes a day of > on time, so I am getting no where near the 90 hours of battery life > advertised. Don't know if I have a bad one, or if the code needs > tweaking. > > Anyone else notice the battery life has not been so good? > > Jeff > > > I don't have a WikiReader, but are you using Alkaline or Lithium > batteries? The voltage of Alkali based batteries will decrease over > time, so that often they will not be able to power an electronic > device even though they are not fully discharged. Lithium batteries > are best for things like the WikiReader because the voltage stays > constant for the most part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Spring update is ready to download
I am downloading through torrent as I type. Please get file through torrent so we can get more seeders. http://bit.ly/cGpPqw. spring2010-enpedia.zip 4.41GB From http://thewikireader.com/files/enpedia/spring-2010/NEWS.TXT Spring 2010 WikiReader Content Update This update is recommended for all WikiReader users and includes general system fixes that enhance the stability, rendering quality, and usability of your WikiReader. What's Included? - Jan. 16th, 2010 snapshot of the entire English Wikipedia - Added keypad animations for better typing - Improved keypad type recognition and usability - Fixed various parsing errors within articles - Fixed various template generating issues within articles - Rendered math formulas to bitmap images - Added kinetic scrolling for better reading - Added back feature for quick navigation For more detailed information, including source codes, please visit our git repository: http://github.com/wikireader. Updating Your WikiReader Replace the contents of your WikiReader's SD card with everything in this folder. More detailed instructions are available at: http://thewikireader.com/update.html Still Need Help? Contact us through email at supp...@thewikireader.com, or message us on twitter.com (@wikireader) and we'll get back to you right away. Enjoy. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GNU/Linux Wrist Watch
10 seconds of googling "linux based wrist watch" brings this; I know I'm a slow typer http://www.freeos.com/articles/3800 On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > Esben Stien writes: >> Does something like this exist?. If not, please, someone start making >> it. > > Why Linux? I would like my watch to consume as little energy as > possible... > > -Timo > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone is trying to patent Quickwriting
8open didn't seem to be that great of improvement over the standard keypad 2=abc 3=def ... maybe just rearrange the letters on each key so that the more common ones come first On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 4:17 AM, Daniele Ricci wrote: > Greetings, > Some weeks ago a new software for Android has come out, the 8pen: > http://www.the8pen.com/ > > the video clearly introduces a modified/simplified version of > Quickwriting, an open (ie unpatented) input method invented a few > years ago. > > Now they are trying to put a patent on it, even on variations! This is > outrageous, since the idea has already been thought. I think we still > apply against this patent, and move for a request to make it void > (it's still in pending state). > > Here is the patent request: > http://www.the8pen.com/legal.html > > Please help the open source community against this ridiculous attempt > to make money on an already invented thing. > Thanks, > -- > Daniele Ricci > > p.s. I already have a working implementation waiting to be pushed, so > let's not waste time! :-) > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is this community dead?
Phones need to get smaller for me to use them but I like the architecture and openness I pretty sure this is the only phone that you can without hacking the hell out of it set it to a state where you can plug all the usb devices into it that you want limit 256ish devices. On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Iain B. Findleton wrote: > Have not seen anything on the OM list for a while. Has the server gone? Is > the community dead? > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
ASU Keyboard yet again
Hey all,
I just installed the ASU daily build from buildhost yesterday (23 Jul),
and there doesn't seem to be an on-screen keyboard.
I've been doing a lot of searching around to find out what's up with
the keyboard. I know that it was added as a 'qwerty' button, and then
removed because the devs want it to automatically appear when there's
text to enter and automatically disappear appropriately. I'd
personally prefer the manual mode, but I can understand why someone
would want this done automatically.
Problem for me is that the keyboard never automatically pops up. I
know this isn't an isolated incident, as this bug report exists:
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1663
Of course there's a mention of using some ASU image from
downloads.openmoko.org instead of buildhost.openmoko.org, but I can't
find anything ASU-related after sometime in May on the downloads site.
I tried editing the
file /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume.edj and setting
'visible: 1' under the 'part { name: "kbdtext"' section, but that
caused the whole UI to be useless (looks like this file is some sort of
compiled binary, I couldn't find any information on it.)
So, in short: what is up with the keyboard?
-Jeff
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Re: What is Exposure?
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:20:53 + Christopher White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm running stock ASU package set, just did an opkg update and > upgrade. I launch "Exposure" from the front screen, get the "Starting > Exposure" at the bottom, but then nothing. I had the same problem. Looks like a packaging bug or something. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# find / |grep exposure /usr/lib/opkg/info/exposure.control /usr/lib/opkg/info/exposure.list /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/exposure.py /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/exposure.pyo /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/exposure-0.2-py2.5.egg-info /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/exposure-0.2-py2.5.egg-info/PKG-INFO /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/exposure-0.2-py2.5.egg-info/SOURCES.txt /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/exposure-0.2-py2.5.egg-info/top_level.txt /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/exposure-0.2-py2.5.egg-info/requires.txt /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/exposure-0.2-py2.5.egg-info/dependency_links.txt /usr/share/exposure /usr/share/exposure/exposure.edj /usr/share/images/exposure.jpg /usr/share/applications/exposure.desktop Notice that there is no 'exposure' or 'exposure.py' in a path anywhere, and the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications does not specify a path. I tried to manually run it from SSH, and that didn't work: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# DISPLAY=0:0 python /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/exposure.py This is a module which has to be launched via the app-launcherd.py: python app-launcherd.py exposure [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# python app-launcherd.py exposure python: can't open file 'app-launcherd.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory I'm not really sure where to go from here. 'opkg whatprovides' wasn't helpful at all. -Jeff -- Jeff Tickle - 828-262-7123 Operations and Systems Analyst Electronic Student Services Appalachian State University http://ess.appstate.edu http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps pre-cache?
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:35:13 -0700 "Steven Kurylo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The tango gps documentation says "Additionally you can conveniently > pre-cache areas." Can anyone tell me how to do this? > > I can scroll around and have those tiles cached for off line use, but > a pre-cache would be great. Downloading all the OSM tiles and all the > zoom levels for a 20km radios would be excellent. You can zoom out to encompass the area you want to download maps for. Then, give the map a single tap. From the context menu, select 'map download'. You can pick how many zoom levels in it should go. Make sure to go to the Config tab and change the 'Cache Dir', because it puts them in /tmp by default! -Jeff -- Jeff Tickle - 828-262-7123 Operations and Systems Analyst Electronic Student Services Appalachian State University http://ess.appstate.edu http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ASU Keyboard yet again
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:18:52 +0100
Michael Sheldon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jeff Tickle wrote:
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I just installed the ASU daily build from buildhost yesterday (23
> > Jul), and there doesn't seem to be an on-screen keyboard.
> >
> > I've been doing a lot of searching around to find out what's up with
> > the keyboard. I know that it was added as a 'qwerty' button, and
> > then removed because the devs want it to automatically appear when
> > there's text to enter and automatically disappear appropriately.
> > I'd personally prefer the manual mode, but I can understand why
> > someone would want this done automatically.
> >
> > Problem for me is that the keyboard never automatically pops up. I
> > know this isn't an isolated incident, as this bug report exists:
> > http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1663
> >
> > Of course there's a mention of using some ASU image from
> > downloads.openmoko.org instead of buildhost.openmoko.org, but I
> > can't find anything ASU-related after sometime in May on the
> > downloads site.
>
> I had the same issue, the problem is that buildhost isn't building
> ASU packages from the ASU dev git tree (I'd guess because it's mostly
> aimed at people running 2007.02). What you need to do is change your
> opkg feeds to use
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/openmoko-repository/ASU/ which has all
> the new packages (including an updated version of qpe with keyboard
> support enabled). You can download the correct config files from:
>
> http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/opkg-asu.tar.gz
>
> Just move /etc/opkg to /etc/opkg-backup then unpack that to /etc,
> then: opkg update && opkg upgrade && /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart
>
> The keyboard should now pop up automatically when text areas
> request it.
>
> > I tried editing the
> > file /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume.edj and setting
> > 'visible: 1' under the 'part { name: "kbdtext"' section, but that
> > caused the whole UI to be useless (looks like this file is some
> > sort of compiled binary, I couldn't find any information on it.)
> >
> > So, in short: what is up with the keyboard?
>
> You can grab an illume theme with the qwerty button restored from:
>
> http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/illume.edj
>
> Just drop that in to /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/ (note
> that you'll need to overwrite it again each time illume-theme is
> updated though).
ASU is AWESOME once it's working properly. Thanks so much!
I'd like to put this on the Wiki. Is it okay if I link directly to
those files, or is there some way we can upload such arbitrary files to
the current wiki?
-Jeff
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Re: What is Exposure?
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:00:59 +0100 Michael Sheldon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Christopher White wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 11:45 -0400, Jeff Tickle wrote: > >> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:20:53 + > >> Christopher White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> I'm running stock ASU package set, just did an opkg update and > >>> upgrade. I launch "Exposure" from the front screen, get the > >>> "Starting Exposure" at the bottom, but then nothing. > >> I had the same problem. Looks like a packaging bug or something. > > > > Wow...found this little gem (see below) in a different thread about > > the ASU keyboard. Once I switched to the new opkg feeds, exposure > > works just fine. > > > > Thanks for packaging it up Michael. BTW, where did you find this > > info about the feeds? I didn't see anything like this on the wiki? > > It was the mention on the bug report Jeff linked to in the ASU > keyboard thread that we should be using the packages from > downloads.openmoko.org that put me on the right track, after that it > was just a matter of poking around to find the up-to-date ASU > repositories there and update the opkg feed configs. Heh, glad to help. To answer the original question: Exposure is ASU's way of turning on and off the individual antennas, basically. I only post that here since I see some people still haven't gotten it to work. -Jeff -- Jeff Tickle - 828-262-7123 Operations and Systems Analyst Electronic Student Services Appalachian State University http://ess.appstate.edu http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ringtone and vibration configuration
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:55:03 -0400 "Dylan Reilly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am hoping to make some scripts, etc. for incoming call scenarios. > > 1) What mixer setting in alsamixer controls the ringtone volume? > 2) What alsa profile is used when a call is first incoming? > gsmhandset.state? 3) How can one control the state of the vibrations > (on, off, and ideally etc.)? > > I know the answer to this must be somewhere but despite looking near > and far I could not find it documented. I was curious about this as well and did some digging around in /sys. I was also curious about how to access the hardware LEDs from software. Turns out, the vibration is actually treated like a LED. The following files are important: Vibration: /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-vibrator.0/leds/neo1973:vibrator/brightness LEDs: /sys/devices/platform/gta02-led.0/leds/gta02-aux:red/brightness /sys/devices/platform/gta02-led.0/leds/gta02-power:blue/brightness /sys/devices/platform/gta02-led.0/leds/gta02-power:orange/brightness For the LEDs, you can echo 1 for on or 0 for off to any of these files to control the state of the LEDs. For the Vibration, my very limited testing indicates it will accept a range of 0-255, with 0 being off and 255 being full force. So, you can actually set the strength of vibration. Keep in mind that the vibration will positively eat your battery, so use with caution! -Jeff -- Jeff Tickle - 828-262-7123 Operations and Systems Analyst Electronic Student Services Appalachian State University http://ess.appstate.edu http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Opening the Cellwaves
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:22:17 -0700 Doug Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "...If we follow the second path, we'll fail at a fundamental > mission, which is opening the infrastructure itself. To do that we > need to create open phones that are damned good at being > Net-generation radios and televisions, as well as recording and > producing devices. We also need to work at making clear how much more > business the carriers and phone makers will find in a world of > generative devices, rather than locked-down ones — a world where > anything is possible, rather than one where legacy monopolies get > leveraged for the duration." This is why I spent $400 on a Neo FreeRunner instead of $300 on an iPhone. I value my freedom, and if I'm going to be locked down to a carrier under a contract, I'm going to make sure I make maximum use of what I can get under that contract. A good friend of mine has the iPhone... he's into Free software but just didn't want to deal with an unstable platform. Every now and then, I can do something cool on the Moko that he can't on the iPhone because Apple has their SDK locked down so tight. It's those moments that I really realize it's worth it. Also, there's no comparison between TangoGPS and the GPS software that ships with the iPhone. TangoGPS absolutely beats Apple's offering in every possible way. -Jeff -- Jeff Tickle - 828-262-7123 Operations and Systems Analyst Electronic Student Services Appalachian State University http://ess.appstate.edu http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Speed Reading Application
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:11:10 -0400 "Charles Pax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just saw this post on Digg: > http://digg.com/software/Read_Faster_Way_Faster_No_really_I_mean_WAY_faster > > There is a web application that flashed individual words from a body > of text you input. Is anyone interested in an app like this on > Openmoko? > > The app: http://www.spreeder.com/ I actually made something similar a month or two ago, although admittedly it's not as pretty and refined: http://jefftickle.com/spead/ I had planned on starting a project for this on the OM, although the real world has me tied up all this week. -Jeff -- Jeff Tickle - 828-262-7123 Operations and Systems Analyst Electronic Student Services Appalachian State University http://ess.appstate.edu http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
>Or get a phone from some generic vendor. Apple has a cool and slick one called >iPhone. Might suite you just fine. The iPhone can at least make and receive phone calls reliably, which seems to put it ahead of the FreeRunner at this point. Telling people to buy another phone if they want one that makes phone calls is not exactly the kind of product endorsement most people are looking for. It's like saying "Well, what do you mean you don't want this open-source patent free hammer? I mean sure, if you want to get /technical/ about it, it's actually a jelly donut that can't be used to hammer a nail, but I'm charging the same price as the hardware store and you get the recipe too!" ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FR GPRS speed
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Re: 2008 WTF??
> > The smartphone is both hardware and software - it's not as trivial as a > hammer that you compared it with. Few analogies fit 1:1. It was just an example. Coverage of the FR gives one the impression that it's a phone for general use and not a development phone. You have to look at the wiki before you find out the phone software isn't ready for primetime. > The software is not finished yet. This is stated almost everywhere. It's not stated on the ordering page or in a lot of the news coverage where people find out about these things. > > Hence - if a person wants a ready to use phone, openmoko is not the way > to go. I'm pretty sure you'd agree (at it's present state). Yes, I agree, but people that bought one without knowing the full extent are going to be mad. It's essentially a $400 mistakethe only real return policy stated is against the hardware being DOA and not buyer's regret. With that being the case I think you really need to manage expectations of what's coming in the box. And we especially need to get rid of this "Well FINE, go buy an IPHONE then!" attitude. It's not so much telling someone they'd be happier with an iphone as it the fact that one would imagine it being said in the same tone you would use to go tell someone to jump in a lake. I think managing expectations is the crucial part...even slashdot had a pretty lukewarm response to the FR, going by the comments. Most of the discussion I've seen around the web seems to focus on the preliminary state of the software rather than then openness of the phone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?
BestSkinsEver is the same type of material as InvisibleShield, only much cheaper. Dunno if they have anything suitable for the OM though. On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Thomas Bertani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > 2008/8/11 Geoff Ruscoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> >> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Ilja O. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> I've got confirmation @ Jul 24 >>> "Your item has been shipped" message @ Jul 28 >>> And received it today (11 Aug). >>> >>> That's in Europe. >>> Quite slow, but you'll eventually get it. >>> >>> >>> >> >> I got mine too. About the same time frame (here in the U.S.) >> >> >> >> how it is? usefull? some photos of the pack you received? > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What is the FCC ID of the neo1973?
Adam Krikstone wrote: I see no mention of it anywhere on the wiki or lists. Does anyone know the FCC ID? I'm curious of what use that information is -- does the registration point to information at the FCC that says something about the functioning of the phone? Are you worried that it is an illegal phone? -Jeff ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardware Recommendations - Desktop Bluetooth Module
Jonathon Suggs wrote: Does anyone have a good recommendation for a Bluetooth module/adapter for the desktop ? Features: Bluetooth 2.0, good support under Ubuntu, and also provide most all of the Bluetooth profiles. I don't mind a dongle, but would think that having an internal card would be less likely to get broken...since a dongle would always be protruding from the case. Thoughts, opinions? What does everyone else use? I too would like to find such - a nice PCMCIA/PCCARD to put into my laptop and forget about, as opposed to a USB dongle hanging out. Non-USB BT seems rare but I'm still looking and would appreciate notice if anyone gets there first. -Jeff ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Data backup service
On 8/1/07, Andy Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Check out funambol, http://www.funambol.com/opensource/ . There's a single > file installer and you can be up and running pretty quickly. Bear in mind > that the push email clients for non nokia devices appear to be available > only > if you buy the commercial version > > > Andy > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > http://www.funambol.com/partners/ Obviously you're head's in the right place... the project is already working with funambol -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: openmoko irc logs available ?
On 8/6/07, Hanno 'Rince' Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You have quite often a discussion in irc-channels which have nothing > to do with the subject of the channel itself - between friends, who > are just talking since they are there at the same time. But these > talks also get published - without their knowledge. Usually you only > "see" the people who are active on that channel. > > > If you're really wanting to talk privately, you can always message the person directly... you don't need to discuss it in a public channel. Taking a discussion private when it's off topic, or creating a temporary channel would get you around the logging. The openmoko channel is a TECHNICAL channel, not a place for friends to hang out and chat about life(if they want to chat about openmoko, that's different) If that's what you want, go find a SOCIAL channel to hang out in. -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: VMWare-Image (again)
let us know if you put this up on bittorrent... I'll help seed On 8/7/07, Sébastien Lorquet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm planning to create a minimal build host with a fedora. > > I can copy your file to my server, if I can download it somewhere. We can > share it via bittorrent, too. > > > 2007/8/7, Eric Heinemann < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > If someone will host the 2gb+ file, I can provide an Ubuntu VMWare image > > that I made several months ago. A few people have downloaded it, and I am > > not sure how well it works for actual development. I was able to compile > > everything using MokoMakefile and run the qemu image it produced. > > > > -Eric > > > > - Original Message > > From: Jay Vaughan < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: Al Johnson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org > > Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 9:56:38 AM > > Subject: Re: VMWare-Image (again) > > > > >> There is QEmu images at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ > > >> OpenMoko_under_QEMU . > > >> QEMU is a generic and open source machine emulator and virtualizer: > > >> http://www.qemu.org/ > > > > > > True, but answers the wrong question. The question is whether there > > > is a > > > virtual machine image of an entire configured build system, similar > > > to the > > > one for the Neuros OSD. AFAIK the answer is no. I was going to make > > > one using > > > qemu and ubuntu, but other things got in the way and I won't have > > > the time > > > again before September. > > > > > > > > > This isn't much help I know, but I'm doing just this - setting up a > > Parallels image for GP2X developers - for the GP2X handheld gaming > > console .. maybe I should consider merging openmoko into the same > > image while I'm at it .. probably a good idea .. > > > > j. > > > > ___ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > ___ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > -- > Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) > Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973 Phase 1 sales / order process / misconception
On 8/8/07, Kyle Bassett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > people that love what they do-and will do whatever they can to help us take > back the mobile phone industry. Frankly, they deserve one helluva bonus at > the end of this year, although they would probably be happier if a working > Neo was in consumers' hands... > Kind of off the thread topic, but I've been meaning to say this since I got my NEO Just the feel of the device, and everything else with it, shows that this is really a labor of love... Sean and his guys didn't cut corners (or at least not where it's apparent from the device) It really was worth the wait, and you have something to be really proud of. to all of the people working at FIC and Openmoko, thank you for all of your hard work, and I look forward to working with you in the future and to the people still waiting, once you hold it in your hand, you can see why the delays: doing things the right way takes a little longer than just putting out crap, Its one of the first device purchases that really exceeded my expectations for the quality of the hardware Now if I can just keep the dog asleep long enough to let me work on it... hrmmm -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: User Interface idea
On 8/12/07, Derek Pressnall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm thinking that apps such as the > Dialer would be running in the background, and have an active > connection to the Phone desktop along with the PDA desktop. > > um, do realize that we are working on a resource constrained system, and probably will be for the forseeable future... I don't see this as TOO much of a problem, as long as those apps unload most of themselves from memory when they're not running, and they spend almost all of their time sleeping... but watch out for that. We'll have to see what people can come up with for this before I run this on my system -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Login Manager
On 8/10/07, t3st3r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I see no effective way to combine these 2 different goals.One is > prevents access to data but this will enforce bad guys to do full > reflashing.Killing your (unusable) data but getting working (usable) > phone.Another approach makes guys to believe phone is not defends itself > and not secured.While it really silently tracks evildoers. > simple... display contact info(email, friend's phone number, etc) to return the phone at the login screen... I think my old(~2000 ish) WM PDA had an option to do that... people can't get into the phone itself, but they can figure out how to get ahold of you -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Chinese input for OpenMoko
On 8/8/07, Shu Hung (Koala) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > > OpenMoko is developed and produced in Taiwan. And I live in HK. > Both places uses Chinese as the common language. > > I'm just curious if there is any plan for Neo1973 to support Chinese > input? > If so, in what way? Hand-writing input? Or keyboard input method? > > > Koala Yeung > > > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > If you look real closely at the input panel, it shows a chinese mode input... it doesn't work yet, but I'd guess it's planned -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Changes between GTA1 and GTA2?
On 8/16/07, Ashok Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi > Can anyone tell me what are the changes between GTA1 and GTA2? GTA02 adds: - graphics processor - wifi - accelerometers Probably some other stuff, but that's the big three Which > version is going to be shipped as user release in september? GTA02 Thanks, > Ashok Kumar > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How about a slim Openmoko design?
On 8/18/07, Dev Anand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Moto Razr was slim and even slimmer on features but caught on because > of the design. If one could have the openness of openmoko and make it > a slim elegant design it will be a killer. What say? I like the idea of going slim for future devices, the problem is, it makes it really hard for the hardware hackers to go in and change anything, and still have it fit in the package. Future devices that are targeted at the mass market would probably be ok though -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Balancing simplicity with complexity
strengths of our toolkit so > that we can keep the extra framework and developer learning curve to a > minimum. > > Please keep in mind that this new interface is still, very much, a work > in progress. This is the earliest possible stage than we can release > something with enough of a framework for you all to start exploring. > It's a huge advancement in balancing simplicity with it's digital > antagonist -- complexity. > > Also, thanks to Jon Phillips help, we've finally got around to licensing > our artwork for this new interface under Creative Commons (CC BY-SA 3.0). > > The introduction of OM-2007.2 goes hand in hand with merging the > OpenMoko OpenEmbedded overlay into the upstream repository > org.openembedded.dev. We are now based directly on the upstream metadata > found in OpenEmbedded and synchronized with the most recent developments. > > Here are a few examples many of you have requested: > >* dbus 1.0.2 >* glib 2.12.12 >* Cairo 1.4.10 >* Gtk+ 2.10.14 >* GStreamer 0.10 >* ... > > Finally, we are very close to publishing our extensive software roadmap > covering plans for adding more exciting software components and > detailing areas where you can get involved and help us reach our goal of > freeing phones around the world. > > Stay tuned for more information! > > > Sincerely, > > > The OpenMoko Team. > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FM Radio
On 8/22/07, Steven ** <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was thinking of breaking the thing open and trying to steal the receiver > to put in my Neo. Think that's workable? > <http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community> > > uh... probably not... I haven't seen the device, but there probably isn't a nice discrete module to pull out... production devices like that tend to be highly integrated to save space, and, from the pictures I've seen in a quick google search, I'd guess most of the chips are BGA packaged... it's a pain in the *arse* to work with unless you've got hot air -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FM Radio
On 8/23/07, Giles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > DAB radios are more useful given the number of extra channels. > > --- > G O Jones > > as long as you realize that now we're talking about multiple versions for different regions... DAB isn't going to help me here in the US, and HD radio even less so. since GTA02 has power to the USB port, I think it would be more advantageous to look into a usb based solution, or wait until the project is at the point where we can afford to have that many variants running around -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buying Openmoko GTA02 from Europe
On 8/23/07, Andy Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > 3) Vodafone can install their own 'branded' openmoko on the phone for mass > distribution, but this doesn't stop the 'hardcore' geeks or 'educated n00bs' > from changing the software over the the original openmoko. > um, all they'd need to do is customize u-boot to not display the update option, or require a password to update... You'd still be able to get around that with a debug board, the 'educated n00bs' are probably not going to have one of those sitting around -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FM Radio
from what I've seen/heard, most of the GPIO lines are already taken up by alt-functions, but we could have the (spi/nssp)/i2c busses brought out to that location On 8/23/07, Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > DAB is only in Europe right? > > How about if the phone had an expansion connector, next to some cavity > that isn't already filled with something (I hear there are some of > those, internally), and you could add modules as you please. The > connector would need to have a few GPIO connections to the main > processor and/or some serial bus that happens to be available, plus an > audio connection to the mixer. Third parties could make boards for > FM, DAB and the like. Other options would be more radios like Zigbee > or NFC, or other kinds of sensors (a better accelerometer, compass, > temperature/humidity, whatever). > > On 8/23/07, Tilman Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Giles Jones wrote: > > > Ian Stirling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > > > > > >> It's valuable if it's very cheap or free. > > > > > > But it's another chip on the already large board. > > > > Agree > > > DAB radios are more useful given the number of extra channels. > > Agree. > > Definitely more geekish. :) > > > > > > > There's no end of features you could implement, mobile TV would be > another feature now that the EU have standardised on a format. > > A DAB receiver could also supply you with DMB data. Which would be for > > example video compressed for mobile use... > > DMB is DAB with oder codecs used in the data streams. > > > > > > But i would not say radio or mobile video would be in any a important > > feature. > > I just liked to add this information without valueing the idea of a > > radio in such device. :) > > > > ___ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WiFi vs. speaker
On 8/25/07, Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Memory card under the SIM card (why? there's seemingly loads of space). > > If there would be USB2 there will be no need to remove SD card much > often. But still SD will be removed more often that SIM card, so maybe it > should be somewhere else. Some phones had a SIM card slot directly in case > like laptops have SD slots (if they have). Maybe Neo can have SD slot at the > side of case. > <http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community> > > A while back Sean commented on this http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2006-November/000385.html "seemingly loads of space" you mean in the case, or on the PCB? because the PCB looks relatively cramped to me -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
application idea
Last night, while I was looking at the monsoon blowing just outside the heat-island... in my open-top jeep... I had an application idea: GPS based weather feeds. on a schedule/when you move into a new area, the phone will go out to a server and retrieve the weather information for the area you're in. being able to glance at the today screen and see up-to-date weather data would be nice -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: application idea
On 9/13/07, Jimmy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Eh... why would you need to know the current weather if your already > there, looking at it? > > > a couple of reasons: 1. some of us work in buildings without windows... and have vehicles which may need to be covered if it starts to storm 2. um... forecasts? 3. you should see the people walk out of sky harbor(phoenix, az airport) in august... the heat hits them like a ton of bricks(makes picking people up from the airport more entertaining) -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: application idea
On 9/13/07, Tilman Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > The biggest challenge would be a mapping from gps coordinates to > regions/postcodes or such. > I believe Yahoo maps among others provides this geocoding data, but as I think of it, this could blow out into something larger: Imagine a defined standard for location based data, similar to the way RSS works. as a start, we define a URL scheme, such as ./?lat=&lon=&type=> the schema for the return document should include a 4 dimensional map for when/where the data is good (I.E. we give forecasts for the next 30 mins or so, inside of your zipcode) as well as a way to specify rich content(weather, photos, loose women living nearby whatever people so choose). The user should be able to override the server's data (you decide you only want weather updates every hour for instance) there should also be a way to send up login information for services which need user data, and if you're worried, you would have the option of using "ghost" locations... I.E. transmitting fake locations so that you can't be tracked, with the results discarded... for those worried about that kind of thing. Maybe using TOR for the anonymous sites would work too. I'm also thinking that this could be used to store your location... and show other nearby users(I probably wouldn't use it, but the potential is there) >From there, we build a reader application (this is why I'm likening it to RSS feeds). This wouldn't be limited to just the openmoko, but other GPS enabled devices anyways, I'm sure I'll get about 3 emails about ways this is already being done, but what do people think? -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Message duplicates (was: Changes between GTA1 and GTA2?)
On 9/27/07, Torfinn Ingolfsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > > On 8/27/07, Harald Welte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > that would really be easy. unfortunately it just locks up, doesn't die. > > Is there any way that this lock up could be detected programmatically? > > If so, then you could > a) have a service monitor restart spamassassin > or > b) alert an admin )via e-mail, sms, whatever) > > HTH > -- > Regards, > Torfinn Ingolfsen > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > what about subscribing an email bot that stores the message id's of each message that's come in for the last month: get the same message 3 times and it smacks spam assassin. -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardiness of the Neo1973?
On 9/28/07, William Voorhees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm also very interested in developing a Sports/Exercise style application > for the openmoko. I'm an avid cyclist and I have developed a little program > to read HR monitor data from the Suunto Heart Rate monitor using the Suunto > PC Pod. It's a USB device that communicates using the ANT ( thisisant.com) > protocol. I'll try and post some info/code about my work sometime this > weekend. We should be able to plug this into the openmoko to give it access > to all kinds of sports monitoring equipment. > now THAT's a cool idea... I'd been trying to figure out how to get HR data over bluetooth... but the only hardware for that I could find was a full ekg setup... while it would be cool to have that depth of information, it goes way beyond what I really need, or want to pay for. It also removes the need to make a bluetooth cadence sensor (imagine how big a battery that would need) Very nice, but I haven't had a chance to play with a PC pod... is it bus powered, or battery? has anyone tried it with an unpowered bus? (I'm still debating whether or not I'll upgrade to a GTA02) -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth Heartrate Monitor (was: Hardiness of the Neo1973?)
On 9/28/07, Martin Thierer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Anyone on this list with access to such a device who could check? > > Martin > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > According to garmin's site, they use ANT -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G status within the US?
you might try swapping your sim card for one of the newer ones (somehow make it not work, I think it's like $5 to replace it and update your sim number) the one I got middle of last month works... even with the 3G fireball on it On 10/8/07, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ian douglas writes: > >The version number on my TMobile SIM is 39.01a and does NOT work. My > >AT&T SIM is listed on the wiki within the range of serial numbers that > >will not work. > > The version number on my (working) T-Mobile SIM is 37.05A. Just > another data point... > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko talk at SDForum, Palo Alto
someone get video? I'd love to see the vi slides ;-) On 10/8/07, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I'll be giving a talk about OpenMoko at the SDForum's meeting this > Wednesday, October 10, in Palo Alto, California Michael -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G status within the US?
the numbers I see are: 71234 O 4022 sorry, I'm not sending my IMEI down a public channel On 10/8/07, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Though Ian's problem is with a SIM that's newer than mine... as > another data point, what's the version number on yours? > -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G status within the US?
> > sorry, I'm not sending my IMEI down a public channel d'oh... the ICCID -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Exact release date of GTA01Bv4?
just making sure this pops up on Michael's email, he said to send him any place in the wiki that it says october On 10/23/07, ian douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Or perhaps just a correction on the wiki giving us a better estimate of > when the GTA02 will be available :o) > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison > still says October 2007 for the GTA02 > > -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community@lists.openmoko.org
On 10/24/07, AVee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > what FIC is doing here is providing community service and goes beyond any > obligation they have toward us. I really annoys me when people claim a > right > to get something *for free*. It doesn't work that way, you can ask, but > you > just can't make demands. > > AVee > > -- > meeting, n.: > An assembly of people coming together to decide what person or > department not represented in the room must solve a problem. > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > Ok, everybody chill for a second. AVee's right, we're getting way more info, and a deeper look into FIC and OpenMoko's dev process than you get from any other company... some craziness and confusion is pretty much standard for any product development... normally by the time apple or HP or whoever announces a product, that is a distant memory, and it's all been sorted out. On the other hand, the community members are a part of the development process, like any development team we can expect to be kept in the loop. Keeping half your team in the dark is a sure way to kill a project. The problem is, developing products like this is in it's infancy. I'm not sure that this is the first hardware product that's both large-scale and community based, but if not it's pretty close. The openmoko team is not only having to develop a product, they're also having to develop how to create an open, commercial hardware platform. Michael was hired to address some of these communication issues. As I understand it (and please correct me if I'm wrong) he's here to be our liason into the company's progress. We're all so used to big faceless companies that you have to wheedle decent service out of, that some of us have forgotten how to do anything else. Next time there is a question like this, lets keep it civil, there may be a delay in getting back to you because people have to go find the answer, or it's not something that's been set yet. Worst case, there are people inside OpenMoko(is there a set rule of how to capitalize that? OpenMoko, Openmoko, OpenMoKo?) that will answer your question, but be aware that most of them have other duties... If you're asking Harald a question, realize answering your question takes time away from developing. anyways, let's try to be patient... remember we're still at the crawling phase -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community@lists.openmoko.org
On 10/24/07, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > No, the alternative is for the people who are actually producing the > item to make an announcement. What is so difficult and unreasonable > about that concept?? > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > keep in mind that: - you're dealing with what is essentially a community project, the official team is small and lean... taking time out to make announcements used to mean taking a developer/manager off of developing/managing... Michael is just getting into his swing for this - you're dealing with a pre-production project... release dates are more goals to hit than hard and firm dates... they could have another block issue and have to scrap the design and do it a fifth time (knocking on my desk... I think it has some wood in it somewhere) - this is one of (if not the first) hardware platforms of this scope that's open and community driven... a lot of the process/procedure is being made up as we go along -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community@lists.openmoko.org
On 10/25/07, Karsten Ensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [flame] If you weren't subscribed then, why haven't > you searched the archive before asking (and especially before > complaining that no information was given at all)? [/flame] > > > Regards > Karsten > > > I can see what you're saying, people who subscribed right after one of Micheal or Sean's really important emails might wait for a while before the next one. To them, it would appear that these things never go out, and that they're in the dark. It seems to me that we see these kind of conversations start about every other month. What about creating a "state of the project" email that is sent on subscribe, kind of a welcome to openmoko, here's what's going on: a 2 minute blurb to bring people up to speed, and reference them to the appropriate wiki pages to find out what else they need? This would need to be kept reasonably up to date, probably revised after every big announcement, and after the bi-weekly emails. To a new subscriber though, it would give them an "official" answer about what's going on, until they can see some of the updates that get sent out. What do people think? Might this solve some of the problem? -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: SSH Confusion -- Question
> > > I hope I have not been too much of a bonehead. > > I found this (http://www.cpqlinux.com/sshcopy.html) on ssh file copying > -- which I'll need to do tomorrow as I try to put an image in the sd > card via my new ssh facility. This information might also be useful for > newbies like me. > > I agree that Google is my friend. > > I appreciate the help I have gotten. I'll try not to abuse. > > George > > The general rule is, the older the list, the less tolerant of such things they tend to be, this is a pretty young one, so don't worry TOO much. Also one of the guiding ideals of the project is that it will eventually be ready for mass-market users (Sean said he wanted it to be a phone his dad could use) Once that happens, we're going to get a flood of these kind of questions, unless we're ready for them... asking questions like this helps tweak that process I've started a linux newbies section in the "other resources" page on the wiki(http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Other_Resources) (I'm not sure if that info should go there or on its own page, but with the current navigation, it seemed like the best place to put it) and included the previous links. Eventually it would be nice to have a convenient "look on the wiki here and it will get you to the right place" link for questions like this. -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: i'm going to lose my neo....
there was another one... it was a pair of little metal boxes... you stuck one to the object... the other one would sound an alarm if you walked away On 11/8/07, ian douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jeff Andros wrote: > > Thinkgeek used to sell something like this, but I couldn't find it on > > their site... look around, they're out there > > It was a USB dongle to lock your PC if you moved outside a certain > range, if I recall. I remember seeing it too at one point, but the > software for the gadget was Windows-only. > > -id > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: i'm going to lose my neo....
On 11/8/07, Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > what i would like is a (v. small) device that i can carry in my > wallet, or somewhere, that sounds a reminder (on the phone, or > external device) when it moves out of range. it doesn't have to be any > fancy bluetooth or wi-fi or GPS thing, some simple technology for > measuring proximity and triggering a signal would suffice Thinkgeek used to sell something like this, but I couldn't find it on their site... look around, they're out there -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FM radio reception on neo/openmoko and some other questions
On 11/9/07, Georg Michelitsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm interested in a FM transmitter in order to for example listen to my > music on my car's radio. > > This could also enable some really cool speakerphone abilities, as long as we can then filter the audio input to remove the echo -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: start writing applications - how?
On 11/12/07, Andreas Jellinghaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On the list I see next to no mails about people writing applications for > moko. What would be the best way to start doing that? > you're on the community list... that kind of stuff should either be on openmoko-dev or openmoko-apps depending on the sort of application you're writing check them out at lists.openmoko.org -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: /. : Feds Have Access To Cellphone Tracking On Request
On 11/25/07, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Can people ever be compelled to supply > truthful GPS information to LEO as long as open source cellphones are > legal? > OK, legal matters aside, your network operators ALWAYS know where your phone is: cell towers can triangulate the position of your phone(it's like reverse GPS... multiple receivers on a single source). Most of the phone navigation, at least here in the US uses this technology... not GPS. Which firmware the phone runs is a non-issue.. they don't ask you they ask for that data. Technically the only way to prevent this is to not transmit. It is technically possible to re-write the GSMD to power down the GSM module unless you are placing a call (You'd still be traceable whilst actually placing a call, but not traceable otherwise) the downside is, you wouldn't be able to receive calls. Stopping the cell towers from tracing you wouldn't help either: It would be possible to set up an alternate antenna farm that decodes enough of the GSM signal to identify the transmitter. Pretty much at this point you should be realizing that there are only two possible ways to fix this: one is the legal things we're not talking about, because that's not my area of expertise (besides, I'm not sure how effective it would be), the other is to stop using any kind of transmitting device... technically anything that uses electricity. -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: /. : Feds Have Access To Cellphone Tracking On Request
On 11/26/07, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wonder how well this works on average. If this would work well > enough I don't believe we'd be seeing all the integrated GPS units for > the claimed purpose of servicing E911. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E911#Wireless_Enhanced_911 I guess it's only the GSM/TDMA systems that use the towers to locate the transmitters. As for accuracy, I think I remember something on this list saying at least 300 feet 90% of the time in urban areas (as this is the defined minimum for E911) If someone has the exact numbers feel free to chime in -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: need someone to develop this....
um, is anyone that's replied on this thread a member of the University of Glasgow team that developed the software(shoogle)? I'm guessing not. it has obviously already been invented, which means that disclosure arguments are rendered moot by prior art. Moreover, trying to patent something that someone else invented is theft of intellectual property... preventing this is one of the reasons the GPL exists. If you want to go forward on this, check with the authors(see below for contact information) they'd probably be delighted to have community help in developing it. > > > Authors(taken from http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~rod/publications/WilMurHug07Interactive.pdf ): John Williamson Dept. Computing Science University of Glasgow Glasgow G!2 8QQ, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Roderick Murray-Smith Dept. Computing Science University of Glasgow Glasgow G!2 8QQ, UK and Hamilton Institute National University of Ireland Maynooth, Ireland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stephen Hughes Dept. Computing Science University of Glasgow Glasgow G!2 8QQ, UK and SAMH Engineering -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: need someone to develop this....
sorry, missed some of the topic shift, but again, there's that youtube video posted previously showing something extremely similar It's also interesting that this could work more like a pre-shared key... we don't have to use asynchronous crypto since both devices could generate the same key off of the "shake pattern" the challenge in doing this is determining when the "shake" starts to get everything synchronized On 12/3/07, Randall Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually, I don't think "shoogle" mentioned the pairing-shaking security > idea. I thought that they were only creating non visual user interfaces to > things like number of SMSs and battery charge. The main similarity is > shaking, which maracas and rainsticks both clearly have prior art on these > ideas. > > Randall > > On 12/3/07, Jeff Andros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > um, is anyone that's replied on this thread a member of the University > > of Glasgow team that developed the software(shoogle)? I'm guessing not. it > > has obviously already been invented, which means that disclosure arguments > > are rendered moot by prior art. Moreover, trying to patent something that > > someone else invented is theft of intellectual property... preventing this > > is one of the reasons the GPL exists. If you want to go forward on this, > > check with the authors(see below for contact information) they'd probably be > > delighted to have community help in developing it. > > > > > > > > > Authors(taken from > > http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~rod/publications/WilMurHug07Interactive.pdf<http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/%7Erod/publications/WilMurHug07Interactive.pdf>): > > John Williamson > > Dept. Computing Science > > University of Glasgow > > Glasgow G!2 8QQ, UK > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Roderick Murray-Smith > > Dept. Computing Science > > University of Glasgow > > Glasgow G!2 8QQ, UK > > and > > Hamilton Institute > > National University of Ireland > > Maynooth, Ireland > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Stephen Hughes > > Dept. Computing Science > > University of Glasgow > > Glasgow G!2 8QQ, UK > > and > > SAMH Engineering > > > > -- > > Jeff > > O|||O > > ___ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > -- > Randall Mason > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A problem with usb networking
It sounds like you just need to bridge the connections... check here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31632 On 12/5/07, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Am 05.12.2007 um 22:36 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > > > > I'm able to ping the phone and my laptop, too. > > But I can't connect to the internet: when I use ipkg update or the > > web browser, nothing... > > > Looks like your laptop has no appropriate entry in its routing table > to forward traffic from your Neo to the Internet. > > I know this issue from MacOS X where you must turn "Internet Sharing" > on. > > -- hns > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: usb network dongle (was Re: dhcp on usb0)
On 12/7/07, Al Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Friday 07 December 2007, Jay Vaughan wrote: > > > The USB connector on the Neo can be switched from client to host > > > mode, but > > > last I heard (some time ago now) the code to do the switching > > > hadn't been > > > implemented. > > > > Thats very interesting - if anyone has any technical details on how > > this works I'd like to hear about it because there are USB devices > > (MIDI interface) I'd very much like to get working with my neo if I > > can .. > > Just found this - looks like there's now a patch > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host > > > > >You also need the host mode cable which IIRC only comes with the > > > > > > developers' version, or you can make one yourself. Then you either > > > need > > > self-powered devices, a self-powered hub or a cable mod to provide > > > the 5V > > > because the GTA01 can't provide the power for devices. > > > > Okay, I have two advanced developers kits (with boards), but I don't > > have any special cable .. or do I? How does it work? > > Sean's 'New Oceans' announcement on 27/06/2007 said the dev kit would > include > a USB host mode cable that wouldn't be included with the base model. This > doesn't appear in the specs at openmoko.com though, so perhaps they never > shipped them. See the link above for instructions on a DIY cable. > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > I looked for this when my advanced kit showed up, the response I got was that the host mode cable had been canceled: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/device-owners/2007-August/000219.html -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Recent spam.
can we just kill that account? spam is all that [EMAIL PROTECTED] has ever sent On Jan 7, 2008 7:42 AM, Bartłomiej Zdanowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This spammers had to subscribe to our list to spam. Damn them. > > flexd pisze: > > I don't like spam. Do you? :( > > There should be a boxtrapper or something to stop this :) > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > -- > *Bartłomiej Zdanowski* > Programista > Dział Rozwoju Produktów > AutoGuard S.A. > > Sąd Rejonowy dla m.st. Warszawy, XIII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego > Rejestru Sądowego > KRS: 287629 > Kapitał zakładowy: 1 059 000 PLN > NIP PL1132219747 > ul. Omulewska 27 > 04-128 Warszawa > tel. +48 22 611 69 23 > www.autoguard.pl > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update, January 2, 2008
> FreeRunner is due for release at the end of Spring, but which Spring > is this? East Asia? US? Europe? > I have to say, spring is a bad description of when FreeRunner will be released, though from my knowledge East Asia, the US and Europe all have spring at the same time +- 24 hours. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be spring in the southern hemisphere since that's still ten and a half months away. Jeff ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
On Jan 11, 2008 11:26 PM, Ted Lemon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Lon Lentz wrote: > > I read the "not so happy" comments following the Gizmodo article. > > A lot of those comments have been made here on this list. Like the > > repeated ones about the boot scroll being visible. > > I thought that was weird. The boot scroll is one of my favorite parts! agreed... plus how often does a consumer ready phone get rebooted? last time I did mine was to swap the sim card into my neo -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: digital compass modules
sparkfun has a few, this one jumped out at me, but check out the rest http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=7892 On Jan 22, 2008 8:02 PM, Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i've got a project in mind for when my neo freerunner arrives, that > needs a digital compass. only a simple thing, probably 3 degree > accuracy would be enough. > > so, can anyone recommend a suitable module? something less than $50? > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wanted: beta testers for QuantumSTEP on the Neo GTA01
Is it possible to create a "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" list for stuff on the alternate software distro's? It seems kind of wierd that we're using openmoko's lists to discuss its "competitors" -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FM Tuner for RDS on the Neo ?
On Jan 30, 2008 6:07 AM, Tilman Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is a usual question. Although you could configure the USB port in > host mode. It would be unpowered. > Regards > Tilman I haven't heard anything about it for a while, but IIRC freerunner is supposed to have a powered USB port -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - confusion
On Feb 5, 2008 10:29 AM, JW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok will use this in Wiki from now on. Still seems wierd to have 2 names for > 1 > phone... anyways... it's pretty much standard practice, most products have internal and external names. take jeeps for example, you almost never hear the names "wrangler" or "cherokee" but you hear a lot about TJ's, YJ's and Xj's -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: brainstorming/organisation software
On Feb 10, 2008 6:42 PM, Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i'm looking for some software to eventually go on my neo, but i've no > idea what it would be called I think mind mapping might be what you're looking for, check out here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_map for software the gold standard is mindmanager www.mindjet.com but that seems to be windows/mac only. I used this for what you're describing and some note taking on a tablet when I was in school. I saw another that is java based, haven't used it but http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page this might eventually run on the neo. anyways check these out, see if they do what you want -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: And Now For Something Completely Different...
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Tilman Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At least this was Harald Weltes version of what the name means... > it's also on one of those first sets of slides that sean distributed -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Thufir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:23:07 +0100, kenneth marken wrote: > > like pidgin for im support of any kind. > > > Now *that* is a cool idea :) > > probably not pidgin itself, it's not set up for a full screen display... but libpurple is the engine behind pidgin, all that's needed is a custom front-end Personally, I'd like to see a plugin for pidgin that turns it into an IM proxy... the NEO would connect in to my system here and use pidgin on it... that way I have unified logs, a single place to sign in, etc -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Go Phone without the phone
If you can make it into a AT&T mobile store, they can help you, bring along the list of working SIM cards though (most of the people working there have no idea that there's any difference) On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Ajit Natarajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > Is there a way to subscribe to AT&T Go Phone in the U.S. without > purchasing one of their phones? Their web site at http://gophone.com > offers a three step process. The second step requires selecting one of > their phones. > > If I purchase a Neo, how would I opt for a Go Phone deal? > > Thanks. > > Ajit > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using Wi-fi on Neo FreeRunner
On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Mary Stovel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In fact, I named my dog > Moko.<http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community> > just in case you're wondering why all the latino people are laughing, "moko" is booger in spanish... depending on your dog this may be appropriate -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using Wi-fi on Neo FreeRunner
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N800> > > "The operating system, Internet Tablet OS 2007 (also known as Maemo), > is a modified version of Debian GNU/Linux (running Linux 2.6.18)" isn't maemo derived from OE too? -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko and accessories design
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 5:06 PM, joerg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am Mi 12. März 2008 schrieb Etienne: > > Chances to see any kind of changes in layout of GTA02 PCB/housing are > *very* > low i think. > > > especially since the GSM antenna is at the bottom ( as far away from the gps antenna as possible) -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
openmoko on ebay
I've been a bit to busy with work to ever do anything on my neo advanced kit, so I'm passing it on to someone who can, It's up on ebay, I'll put up some pictures when my camera battery charges http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160226011921 good luck -- Jeff O|||O ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: openmoko on ebay, usb board works with gta2?
according to mickey on sept 15 2007: > It will definitely be compatible w/ GTA02. As for the successor > models, we can't make a definitive answer yet (there is not even > schematics nor silicon for those anyways ;), but of course we'll > try to make it compatible... granted that was a long time ago, but It doesn't sound like they've made any major hardware revisions since then. anyways, since the board uses a separate flexible ribbon connector there's a chance of an adaptor being made if it's not 100% compatible On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 5:59 AM, Crane, Matthew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can the usb board be used with the freerunner phone as well? How much of > a branch is the new firmware for freerunner going to end up being? > > Matt > > -- > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Andros > *Sent:* Thursday, April 03, 2008 1:24 AM > *To:* Openmoko List > *Subject:* openmoko on ebay > > I've been a bit to busy with work to ever do anything on my neo advanced > kit, so I'm passing it on to someone who can, > > It's up on ebay, I'll put up some pictures when my camera battery charges > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160226011921 > > good luck > > -- > Jeff > O|||O > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- Jeff O|||O ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Qtopia on Neo FreeRunner?
Are there any plans to support Qtopia on the Neo FreeRunner GTA02? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-unstable] The date in Dates is incorrect
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Adam Jimerson wrote: > On Wednesday 08 July 2009 01:50:04 am jeremy jozwik wrote: >> its no minor bug. in the PST8PDT timezone the day would get switched >> after 6 pm. which is completely unhelpful. i put an email on the >> pimlico mailing list and have no response in over 2 months. have since >> switched to gpe-calendar >> Is this only an issue with PST8PDT? could it be a zone file issue? If you try a different timezone does it work correctly? > I have tried gpe-calendar have found a major issue with it usability wise for > me it is slow and unresponsive, also between it and ffalrams I think it messed > up the ata deamon so now I have to do a weird work around for ffalarms to both > schedule and alarm and to have it go off: > > To schedule an alarm I have to do the following: > 1. select the remove alarm option and do the 4 digit thing else I got an error > that the ata deamon not working > 2. schedule the alarm then restart the phone else it doesn't show up in > ffalrams > > To get the alarm to sound I have to wait a couple minutes after the alarm > should have gone off then restart my phone then as illume starts loading the > alram will sound. I have been unable to track down the exact cause all I know > is it started doing this after installing gpe-calendar, both use the ata > deamon IIRC. Sense then I have upgraded ffalrams to the latest version and > the problem still exists. > > Another reason why I use Dates is because I use PISI to sync it to my Google > calendar. > -- > "We must plan for freedom, and not only for security, if for no other reason > than only freedom can make security more secure." Karl Popper > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
pidgin development version of glib and gtk requirements
current pidgin development is talking about requiring a minimum of glib 2.12.0 and gtk 2.10.0 I'm wondering what versions of glib and gtk openmoko is on? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: pidgin development version of glib and gtk requirements
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 2:04 PM, David Ford wrote: > opkg list | grep glib > opkg list | grep gtk+ > output please I don't have an openmoko I could try loading the os on my gumstix but I'm not sure how well it will work. > Jeff Sadowski wrote: >> current pidgin development is talking about requiring a minimum of >> glib 2.12.0 and gtk 2.10.0 I'm wondering what versions of glib and gtk >> openmoko is on? > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mails about Android
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 2:53 PM, arne anka wrote: >> But as soon as you put Android on it, its a Neo with android on it. >> Then mails are as deplaced here > > no, they won't. > these lists cover the hardware as well as the software. > but prefix the subjects of mails android-specific with [android] > They will only be misplaced if the issues on the OS you wish to run on the freerunner have nothing to do with the free runner itself. Example if you find a hardware glitch that has a work around it may be useful in all OSs running on the freerunner. It would also be nice to know specific freerunner related tasks that where don to load OSs in the first place. > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: good bye google code
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Patryk Benderz wrote: >> Would you please avoid registering your new projects to google code? > You might want to try http://launchpad.net . it is free also and allow > you to delete your code if you do not like it or make a mistake. > Sourceforge doesn't allow to delete code :( > This is a design philosophy and I agree with sourceforge on principle you should never delete code there are better ways to fix such mistakes. You can always get older code at a know good point and resubmit it as new. > -- > Kind Regards > > Patryk Benderz > IT Specialist > Linux Registered User #377521 > +48 22 538 6292 > > ERSTE Securities Polska S.A. > ul. Królewska 16 > Warszawa 00-103 > KRS 065121 > NIP 526-10-27-638 > REGON 011136053 > Kapitał akcyjny: 15.500.000 złotych (w pełni opłacony) > > This message and any attached files are confidential and intended solely > for the addressee(s). Any publication, transmission or other use of the > information by a person or entity other than the intended addressee is > prohibited. If you receive this in error please contact the sender and > delete the material. The sender does not accept liability for any errors > or omissions as a result of the transmission. > > > Email secured by Check Point > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
