Re: gta02 as gps/navigator (in 2016)
Quoth Davide Scaini: > Another option would be buying something like the DragonBoard 410c and > find a small touch screen to plug. Any idea about a > cheap+decent+small+waterproof touchscreen? Or get a mainstream satnav and put exclusively free software on it. That would probably be the cheapest option. Are there projects to do this? I presume they all run Linux anyway, but maybe not enough people are interested. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: greetings from the freecalypso project
Quoth m...@dmatthews.org: > Please excuse touch of plug and slight bit of off-topic-ness, but just to let > anyone here with interest in free (as in source code available) baseband > firmware, that the freecalypso project is making strides. Congratulations folks. I haven't had the time or energy to participate in the project at all, but I'm really glad you're making such good strides. Keep it up! :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 PCB layout files found!
Hi Spacefalcon, Quoth Spacefalcon the Outlaw: I am overjoyed to announce that the original PCB layout files for Openmoko GTA02 have been located and published. This is fantastic news, I'm very pleased! Where does that leave the indiegogo campaign? Is the money not needed now? Eventually you'll need more funds, presumably, for the production parts of the project. Speaking of which, are you planning to sell the phones you produce yourself, eventually? Or outsource it? Anyway, great news, horrah :) Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Free phone: smart or not?
Quoth Spacefalcon the Outlaw: But I just can't help but wonder: are you using your FR because it's free or because it's a smartphone? I'm using it because it's free, plus I don't like replacing electronics which are still working. For me the FR is just an incredibly inefficient and somewhat hard to use dumbphone. That said, I do like the idea of having access to strong encryption for SMS type messages and voice, but the way to do that which is compatible with what other people use is to use android apps that communicate over the internet. Which would require a much more complex device than a dumbphone, sadly. Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
Quoth g...@unixarea.de: I'm using since 2008 the FR as my one and only cellphone. This is not lying, it is just a fact. And I do not know any other person from this list who is doing so. I am too. The only thing that makes me tempted to switch phones is redphone or chatsecure, basically. The GTA02 sucks, in some ways, but I have no plans to buy a less free phone than it, so I'll stay where I am for now. If my GTA02 broke I'd probably get whatever phone was best supported by the replicant project, second hand, but it's a pleasingly solid piece of hardware :) Nick signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FreeCalypso status
Hi Michael and others, I just returned back to a land where I can actually use GSM (without switching network), so now seems like a good time to go back to my FreeRunner and give the FreeCalypso firmware a whirl. The uSD slot in my freerunner is broken, so I figure these instructions would be best for me: http://www.matthews.pm/freerunner/leo2moko-p3.html And am I correct in thinking that the latest revision of FreeCalypso is this: ftp://ftp.ifctf.org/pub/GSM/FreeCalypso/leo2moko-r1-bin.tar.bz2 Am I correct in thinking that once flashed, the phone should work indistinguishably to the official firmware? SMS voice both fully work? Do you still want calibration data? I can send it along if you like. Finally, is there some way I can donate to you for this stuff? Thanks, Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] GSM not turning on / registering
Quoth Michael Spacefalcon: Because I am the kind of guy who finds it easier to write his own program than to learn how to use one that already exists, I've been using my own ad hack tool called engcons to talk AT commands to the modem in my Neo FR. The engcons.c source is appended at the end of this post; you'll need to compile and run it on your FR. Use it like this: # stop QtMoko /etc/init.d/qtmoko-neo stop # power-cycle the modem echo 0 /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta02-pm-gsm.0/power_on echo 1 /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta02-pm-gsm.0/power_on # run engcons to talk AT commands engcons /dev/ttySAC0 r115200 Once you do the above, you should be in a state where you can type AT commands and see the expected responses. Try AT+CGMI, AT+CGMM, AT+CGMR, AT+CFUN=1, AT+COPS and AT+COPS=?, and post the results you get. OK, I compiled engcons.c on my FR. It took a bit of doing, 'cos the uSD reader is broken, so I am very space-limited (so apt-get doesn't work), but eventually I got gcc libc6-dev installed with dpkg. Interesting results: root@neo:~# ./engcons /dev/ttySAC0 r115200 Starting session AT-Command Interpreter ready OK AT+CGMI +CGMI: FIC/OpenMoko OK AT+CGMM +CGMM: Neo1973 GTA01/GTA02 Embedded GSM Modem OK AT+CGMR +CGMR: GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko11 OK AT+CFUN=1 OK AT+COPS=? +COPS: (1,T-Mobile ,T-Mobile,310260) OK In a different session I ran AT+COPS, but it never seemed to return, so I cycled the modem power and started again, and AT+COPS=? returned. If I'm not mistaken the above means that only T-Mobile is found. Which I'm guessing implies that ATT have decided to turn off GSM here. Which would be ... annoying. Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] GSM not turning on / registering
Quoth Michael Spacefalcon: Nick openmoko-commun...@njw.me.uk wrote: The phone that works is 3G, and it doesn't seem to have a 'force 2G' option anywhere. The option in question often goes by different names: it may also be named network type or network selection etc, with the choices being GSM or WCDMA or both. Try selecting GSM if you can find the elusive option. Hmm, I didn't see anything like that even, but I'll take another look tonight. I'm in the Greater Boston area, Ahh - I didn't realize you were still here in the States - I remember you asking on this list a few months ago about GSM frequency bands in USA, with the intention of traveling to Boston area, but it was back in February, so I thought the trip was over and you were back home in the UK. Yeah, I'm here for 6 months. It's a good place :) How long ago have you arrived in Boston? Is the FR-not-working problem something that happened upon arrival in USA, or has it been working for you for a while in this part of the world? No, it has worked fine (well, in fact) for the past couple of months, so it definitely *can* work here. Ahh, so you decided to be adventurous and use ATT instead of the more tried tested T-Mobile. Before we spend an inordinate amount of effort figuring out why your FR doesn't work on ATT in Boston, perhaps you could try a T-Mobile SIM card just as a quick test? If you don't have one, just go into any T-Mobile store and ask them to borrow a SIM for a few minutes to test in your phone while inside their store. I may end up doing that, but there isn't a T-Mobile store very conveniently located for me, so I'll at least try some fun logging of AT commands first. Also if there is any chance you might visit California before you go back to the UK, we could meet up and do some GSM hacking together. :) Aah, that would be nice, but no, I don't think I'm going to get to the west coast this trip. It sounds like something well worth doing, and someday I'll make it there. I'll let you know if my plans change and I end up in California. Similarly, let me know if you come to Boston. :) Basically because I just want a dumbphone that works, really, so tend towards laziness regarding my phone nowadays. If you are using your FR as an oversized dumbphone, have you considered using a real dumbphone instead? You might want to grab a Mot C139 on ebay while they are still available - it is one of the models which I am using for FreeCalypso firmware bring-up (along with the Neo FR and Pirelli DP-L10) before building my own dumbphone hardware, and it has the advantage of being a very simple dumbphone with full schematics available (unlike the Pirelli). Hmm... I'll consider it... Thanks, and expect some nice AT output later. Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] GSM not turning on / registering
Alright, I'll go to a T-Mobile shop (or reseller) in the next few days to get a test SIM. In the meantime, I tried running the AT commands with socat, but didn't get very far. Maybe I'm using socat incorrectly - I haven't done it before, so forgive my ignorance. Following is the transcript from my console session (done over ssh from my laptop): root@neo:~# socat - file:/dev/ttySAC0,crtscts,crnl ~ +CREG: 3 ~~ ERROR @~~ %CSQ: 18, 99, 2 ~~ +CIEV: 1, 3 ~AT+COPS=? ATE1 ~ %CSQ: 15, 99, 1 ~~ +CIEV: 1, 2 ~AT+CFUN=1 AT+CGMI The commands 'AT+COPS=?', 'ATE1', 'AT+CFUN=1', 'AT+CGMI' were entered by me. I'm guessing I should have seen at least a 'OK' or 'ERROR' message, so maybe I'm using socat incorrectly? I don't have a 3G USB modem, unfortunately. I'm pretty surprised that the carriers are decommissioning 2G in the USA. Crazy bastards. Thanks for your continued help. Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] GSM not turning on / registering
Apologies for not replying sooner. Thanks for the replies. I tried the SIM in another phone and it does work, and another SIM in this one does not (both the same network). Quoth Michael Spacefalcon: What modem firmware version is this? Revision is: GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko11 So Moko11, I guess ;) Since the GSM modem is no longer an impenetrable black box, you could try debugging the apparently misbehaving modem using standard Free Software debugging methods: study the source and the documentation, and make use of the modem debug interface accessible via the headset jack. Start by taking QtMoko high-level software out of the equation and talking AT commands directly to the modem: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM Try the AT commands shown on that wiki page, and tell us the results. That right there might spot an issue. That's a good idea. I'm hitting a snag before I get very far, though. Namely that I don't know which process is in charge of the GSM, so which one to kill to stop the phone accessing. lsof would probably tell me, but I can't install it because it's tough to get the wifi to work (which I generally don't care about). Can somebody who knows QtMoko advise which process to kill? There is no gsmd, as suggested on the OM wiki. Thanks, Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] GSM not turning on / registering
Quoth Michael Spacefalcon: Nick openmoko-commun...@njw.me.uk wrote: I tried the SIM in another phone and it does work, and another SIM in this one does not (both the same network). OK, good observation. The problem is now narrowed down to the FR, rather than network coverage in your area, your service subscription or the SIM issued for it. There is one more thing we need to check before proceeding further, though. That other phone you used to confirm your SIMs as good, what kind of phone is it? Is it 2G or 3G? If the latter, please look through its menus and see if there is an option to force 2G mode. The reason for this exploration is to eliminate the possibility that GSM (aka 2G) service in your geographical area stopped working, knocking out Free Firmware phones while closed proprietary Apple/ Samsung/GTA04/etc still work on UMTS.. The phone that works is 3G, and it doesn't seem to have a 'force 2G' option anywhere. I'm in the Greater Boston area, so I can't imagine the phone company could just have turned off 2G here yet; there are too many subscribers around. Assuming that your email TLD matches your location, you are doing this in the UK, right? Do you know if your service provider operates a 900 MHz GSM network, a 1800 MHz one, or both? As I said, I'm in the USA now, and I'm on ATT, FWIW. Revision is: GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko11 So Moko11, I guess ;) Any particular reason you have not yet upgraded to leo2moko-r1 aka moko12? While it is very unlikely that performing this fw update will fix the problem, running fw with a published Corresponding Source and a linker map listing will likely be a prerequisite for some of the more advanced troubleshooting steps, so you might as well do it now.. The only reason is laziness. I like following your work very much, and am glad you're doing it, and planned to upgrade eventually. I might as well do it now indeed... Will do so tomorrow, when I debug this further. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM [...] That's a good idea. I'm hitting a snag before I get very far, though. Namely that I don't know which process is in charge of the GSM, so which one to kill to stop the phone accessing. According to this web page: http://winterveldt.co.za/leo2moko-p3.html the command you need is: /etc/init.d/qtmoko-neo stop (Whether the intent is to talk manual AT commands to the modem or to reflash it, the step of stopping QtMoko should be the same.) Ah great, thanks, that sounds like just the ticket. lsof would probably tell me, but I can't install it because it's tough to get the wifi to work (which I generally don't care about). Huh? WiFi? While you do need an ssh connection into the Neo, why does it have to be WiFi? Doesn't QtMoko support eth-over-usb networking like the others? It does, I expect, I just haven't set it up to do that yet. Basically because I just want a dumbphone that works, really, so tend towards laziness regarding my phone nowadays. HTH, It certainly does, thanks, I'll report back tomorrow. Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QtMoko] GSM not turning on / registering
Hi all, I haven't been using my phone much recently, but it's always been reasonably reliable when I have. Today I turned it on, and all day it has just said searching for network. I haven't moved, and I'm in an urban enough place that I don't think it's plausible for a tower to have gone down or something. I'm not sure where to go or what to look for to debug this. I've restarted the phone multiple times without success. Any advice? Thanks, Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] GSM not turning on / registering
Quoth Andrew Schenck: Does the info in System Info - Modem and SIM look reasonable? It does, yes, to my untrained eye; no not found or anything like that. Is there anything specific I should be looking for? Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Forcing SMS from SIM to QtMoko
Hi all, Today QtMoko came up with a message that there was a new SMS message, which I dismissed. However the message doesn't seem to have reached the Messages program. I suspect it's still on the SIM card for some reason. Is there a way of forcing QtMoko to download all of the messages from the SIM? Quite possibly related, soon afterwards I got a warning saying that I was running out of disk space (~10% left). I freed some, so that's no longer an issue. It's annoying though, 'cos the uSD reader no longer works :( Thanks in advance, Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM frequency bands in the USA
First, please can you try to keep things civil and respectful (even if you feel provoked)? This list has become quite draining recently. Quoth elhennig: And you really think this matters to users of phones which band the phone is currently using? Well it matters to me, because 850MHz is unlikely to work particularly well with my GTA02. So I was very glad for the report. Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM frequency bands in the USA
Thanks all for your responses. I'll be going to the Boston area, so if you don't hear me complaining about it not working sometime soon, presume it's working fine ;) Yup, that's the band I've been using here for all my cellphone-using life. I have yet to use a phone with 850 MHz capability - this secondary USA band is a relatively recent addition (a spectrum reallocation from AMPS, it seems), and back in 2003 when I got my first Mot V66 (the subsequent ones have been from ebay), all phones officially sold in USA with carrier branding were 1900 MHz only or 900/1800/1900 MHz world phones like that Mot V66! It's interesting to hear that 850MHz is a quite recent addition, thanks, that makes me feel even more confident about my GTA02's chances. Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko current status
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 12:01:33PM +0100, Radek Polak wrote: Power while suspended has improved very much with 2.6.39. For me it is ~6mA which makes nearly 200 hours in standby. So what's the current status of QtMoko? Did removing the wifi module make suspending reliable now? Is there anything else that is an issue for using the phone everyday? v55 is adequate for me at present, but I'd be very happy to upgrade to v58 if it's not likely to just stop working when it suspends, sometimes. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: changing IMEI
joerg Reisenweber wrote: On Thu 20 February 2014 15:27:33 Neal H. Walfield wrote: and am careful to tunnel all of my data via Tor Err, right. For that usecase it might work - until you do *anything* that gives away your ID You still have location anonymity though. An adversary may identify that someone is accessing an email account through the Tor network, but not where they are. Recent tests have revealed that at least 20 nodes in Tor are trying to break into your encrypted data transmission. That issue was explained in more detail at: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/what-spoiled-onions-paper-means-tor-users The bad relays were blocked as soon as they were discovered. The Tor project is damn good at discussing and presenting vulnerabilities in the open, and figuring out best ways of mitigating / defeating them. It'd widely known that Tor is infiltrated by agencies. From the Snowden disclosures so far, they actually have not been very successful at breaking Tor at all. Far less so than most people expected, really. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: IMEI changing kit for GTA02
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:19:12AM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: According to http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2002/31/section/1 it is a full (not semi) offence with up to 5 years in prison in the UK. And even possessing such a tool isn't allowed: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2002/31/section/2 Eugh. What a horrible piece of legislation. What *should* happen is that it should be repealed now that mobile phone theft is far less than it was when it was drafted, and known abuses of surveillance are far higher. I have precisely zero faith in anything like that happening, particularly in the UK. Although, reading section 1(3)(b) of the first legislation, it looks like it's legal if the manufacturer permits it in writing. So someone at OM should say yeah, sure, whatever, which would make us a little safer ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Focus of development [was: IMEI changing kit for GTA02]
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:55:05AM +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: I use my GTA02 FR as my daily phone, running a SHR from 2012. I have no other cellphone (if I do not count the Nokia of my son or the Nokia of my wife), i.e. I _highly_ depend on working phone features (call, SMS). And IMHO this should be our primary focus for an OpenSource cellphone, because my FR sometimes fails in accepting calls, often fails in receiving SMS, not always works up from suspend, the people I call are blaming me for my poor voice, etc. I'd recommend you give qtmoko a try. I used to run SHR, but have found qtmoko more reliable. It still occasionally screws up (failing to unsuspend [though this looks like it's fixed in the new version], and once failing to make outgoing calls), but in general it's a pretty good experience. Plus it's actually maintained. Maybe others have other focus, because they use whatever iPhone or Android for phone features and are more interested in such hacks. I do not (without underestimating the intelectual work). This has always been a community interested in hacks ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Focus of development [was: IMEI changing kit for GTA02]
Quoth Michael Spacefalcon: Hence the solution is to build a new Free Dumb Phone that will be a semi-clone of this Pirelli DP-L10, with some additional freedom enhancements thrown in. Any more hints as to what additional freedom enhancements you have planned? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Resume bug on 2.6.39 kernel identified! (was QTMoko v55 GTA02 flash issue)
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 08:15:27AM +0100, Radek Polak wrote: I tried rmmod ar6000 and i cant reproduce my resume issues anymore! I had running my dial script over night. Freerunner now shows 333 succesful resumes, while it used to fail after 30 resumes before. So please if you are using 2.6.39 kernel edit /etc/modules, remove or comment out line with ar6000, reboot and report if your resume issues are gone. Good news Radek, thanks for the update. I haven't upgraded from v55 to v58 yet, mostly because of the unreliable suspend issue, but I shall certainly do so soon! Thanks again for your continued work. Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Community] GTA04A5 / Letux 2804
Quoth Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Am 16.01.2014 um 21:31 schrieb Michael Spacefalcon: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Why do you assume that your (IMHO unlawful) procedure done to free the Calypso is not possible for a Qualcomm modem? Because all modern baseband processors (MTK, Qualcomm etc) have ROM bootloaders which perform cryptographic verification of downloaded fw I don't know, but isn't *that* something you should fight against instead of modifying leaked firmware for a system that never has been locked? It is something that should be fought, certainly, but I am more interested in having free firmware for one device than just complaining to manufacturers. Doing much of the latter will lead to you feeling disempowered, doing much of the former is quite the opposite. Thanks Michael for your continued work in this area, and for the recent progress updates. Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v58 - best way to upgrade
Many thanks Radek for keeping QtMoko going! My FreeRunner has been my daily phone for about the last year thanks to it, and it generally works really well. Can I upgrade to v58 by just doing a 'apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade', or should I flash it afresh? Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware
Quoth Norayr Chilingarian: What I would write in wiki is step by step instructions how to build the firmware, free loader, and flash it. I don't think it can confuse someone in some way. What about moderation, then, well, what you are saying is against collaborative work, like it is in Wikipedia. Everyone, by even not having Wikipedia account could go and write everything he wants. However, as we see, there are more sane people rather than idiots, and Wikipedia is mostly correct. I think Joerg was worried about you writing a page saying this firmware improves power consumption before more testing and consulting with more knowledgeable people. I'm sure we all agree that a place to discuss ideas and possibilities (as wrong as they may turn out to be) is valuable, but Joerg has no doubt been around long enough to have to deal with the fallout of those discussions / conjectures being left in places where people take theories that had been disproved elsewhere as fact, and shared the disinformation wider. Which ultimately can give a bad impression to a project, as well as bad experience to others. Which is a long way of saying: the mailing list is the best place for discussion, and the wiki should be reserved for things which we are more sure about. So instructions on building and loading the firmware would be fine for the wiki, but speculations about its power saving (or sms receiving) improvements are best for the mailing list. Which I know is what you suggested, but that wasn't clear initially. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware
Quoth Balint Szente: On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:49:30 +0300 Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: Norayr Chilingarian nor...@arnet.am writes: Sorry if my questions are a little bit off topic. Anyway I am very interested in free fw for my devices - OM gta-02 and n900. ^^^ Afaik the firmware in question won't meet the FSF free software definition or OSI open source definition since you don't have a license that lets you share and change it legally. If you want free software firmware that runs on gta02 you can take a look at osmocombb. Isn't the situation the same with osmocombb as well? Based on what is written here: http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/LegalAspects#Usingmodifiedphonesoncarriernetworks can osmocombb considered free software in FSF's or OSI's definition? What is not clear for me is that can a software be FSF/OSI free but illegal to use? The situation with osmocombb is similar, but not the same. In both cases the software is practically modifiable and redistributable, but not legally so. In the case of OsmocomBB, I think redistribution would be fine, it's just using it that would be forbidden. In the case of this firmware, it's forbidden to use it for the same reason, but there are also copyright claims which would disallow redistribution as well. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Building a new totally free phone
by violence. With this in mind, I do wonder why the OsmocomBB work isn't appropriate as a base for your work? Can you explain this a bit more why it isn't? For two reasons: Is it just that they are quite a long way from producing a complete firmware for a phone? That's one reason. The other is a personal/moral one. The leader of that project is Harald Welte, and I have strong reasons to suspect that many of its other major contributors are also members of that elite clique of people who are sitting on copies of the Closedmoko hoardware and not sharing. I'm not going to contribute to a project led by such people. I think it's a pity not to work with such people. They are still working to increase user freedom, albeit with more respect for NDAs than they perhaps deserve (as Joerg mentioned, ability to continue to get good employment doing free software likely plays a role, which is a pretty good reason). But anyway, I'll cheerlead and celebrate (and hopefully find a way to help) any work towards a fully free phone, and your focus on producing a handset is great. Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Going outside - GTA04 website
Hi Sebastian, Just a quick reply as I must dash. Your draft design looks great, I really like it. I'm not sure about the text about ethics of manufacturing - while it is assembled in Germany, the components are sourced from factories with potentially similar working conditions to other phones, they use materials that are sourced in horrible ways and conditions, and so on. There has been some discussion here in the past about how we as a community absolutely don't have the leverage with suppliers (at least unless we were to grow a lot), so unfortunately I don't think this can change soon. But this does look great - good work! Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Building a new totally free phone
Your free phone idea appeals to me enormously, Michael. And I, (unlike I suspect some others on the list) very much like your framing of the issues, too. I fully support the idea that if a law makes private conversation illegal, it is a bad law, and regulatory blocks on GSM that forbid inspectable and modifiable cannot but be such. However, can GSM really be a base for secure communication anyway? I've heard that the encryption used is really crappy, and while some things like MITM forced reregistration to disable encryption and ease surveillance could be countered by appropriate phone settings, if the best encryption algorithm available can be cracked by a home PC in a few days, you're still screwed. A truly free phone is a worthy and very important thing for other reasons, but could such a thing be strongly secure too? Or is the only solution there to rely on something like ZRTP in voip, and give up wishing that GSM could provide security? I've always been somewhat vague about how modems and their processors interact with other parts of a system. Am I correct in thinking that once the first firmware part of your project was complete, one could flash load that the GTA02 modem, and have a (far more 'smart' and Linux-y than you're ultimately planning) free openmoko phone? Or would the modem firmware have to be programmed differently for the GTA02 compared to your feature phone? While I am more interested in a feature phone than a 'smart' phone, I would be very happy to have a really free modem firmware on my GTA02 in the meantime. It's interesting to think of the meanings of 'free' in your message. Because one of the nice things of free software traditionally has been the ability to say it's free software, so I can do what I like with it, and you can't invoke state violence against me for doing so, due to a careful 'respect' of the copyrights of people who don't want their stuff to be free. While regulatory reigimes seemingly make this impossible anyway with GSM, I don't relish the idea of essentially giving more power to other people to wield the law against the project or its' users. But I understand that writing a firmware from scratch for something like the Calypso would be a massive amount of work, and I would rather have a reusable and inspectable firmware that breaks copyright law, than none at all, particularly for something as directly dangerous to one's security as a phone. With this in mind, I do wonder why the OsmocomBB work isn't appropriate as a base for your work? Can you explain this a bit more why it isn't? Is it just that they are quite a long way from producing a complete firmware for a phone? And because it is so totally incomprehensible to my mind how someone can be like you, and be able to live with yourself while watching someone else's life wither away because of your selfishness, I find myself at a complete loss as to how one should interact with people like you. I do think you need to be more careful, kind, and forgiving of perceived differences, when speaking to others in the community. We're all in a similar position here, working towards helping people communicate freely. Sure, people have different things they will compromise in order to try to effect this, but ultimately I find it hard to believe that anybody in the openmoko community isn't here in large part because of their wish to see people able to freely communicate. It's fine and healthy to not always agree with others about what compromises are appropriate, and to argue to try to figure out what the best course of action is, but it is unjust to assume malice, and saying what I've quoted above (regardless of how true it may feel) is likely to just turn people off to you. We need all the solidarity we can muster, and we need to celebrate the work people are doing, and try to respect them, and their differences. Even - nay, especially - if there are major differences that you can't understand. I look forward very much to hearing your progress with your project. If there's something I as an enthusiastic but comparitively ignorant volunteer can do to help, let me know! Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenPhonix?
On 02/06/12 17:36, pike wrote: ... We arent voting, but if we were, Phonix would be my #1 (phone,unix,phoenix), and Phonux #2 (phone,linux,phoenix). Actually I agree, OpenPhonix is good, better than OpenPhonux. It's nearer to phoenix in English AND German (where it can be spelled with an o-umlaut instead of oe?) and broadening from linux to *nix in general can only be good. NetBSD anyone? And in the future, maybe those new microkernels like L4 and Minix3? But we do know it will be a *nix of some kind. Also, if I say Phonux and Phonix, I find myself not pronouncing the second vowel very clearly. Because it's not stressed it comes out more as an uh sound than a clear vowel, and I think someone half-hearing me would be more likely to guess ix than ux. So I think the pronunciation suggests the spelling better with OpenPhonix, and it's easy to remember the correct spelling after only a quick glimpse of the word (not true of OpenPhoenux, I think ... :) ). And, the other way round, I think native speakers of a lot of different languages would end up reading OpenPhonix aloud in the same way. The fact that we English-speakers have just found out that we've been mispronouncing OpenPhoenux all this time means (I think) that there is room for improvement here. And, to a stranger to the project, it presents the most important information first: it's an OpenPhone, using Unix. Once they learn more, the fact that it sounds like phoenix said in German (most appropriate!) will emerge like a sort of good aftertaste. So, we aren't voting, but if we were, I would be switching my vote to OpenPhonix. On 11/06/12 22:58, pike wrote: Hi ... I feel sort of idiot trying to emphasize how important I think this is. But I do. Here I go again. It's the first impression. All the connotations that bubble up with the name, define, in a split second, just how much attention people are going to give it. And all those split seconds together could make the difference between a thriving userbase or a bunch of hardcore hobbyists. Both are great goals ofcourse. But if you want to change the world fundamentally, take the branding seriously all the way. Learning from Apple ? $2c, *-pike I agree with all of this. Words are important, and naming is important. Worth a bit of discussion, anyway. Nick Sheppard PS: Google gives only two hits for openphonix. One is a misspelling for openphonyx, which is in use, and the other seems to be a Twitter id. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
On 11/06/12 07:15, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: it should be phon-ugs. That's what I should have asked about - pronunciation rather than spelling. Because (as an English speaker) I've been pronouncing OpenPhoenux as open-fee-nux (like the legendary phoenix, fee-nix or fii-nix in English). I've only just realised (Duh!) that the oe is an o-umlaut and therefore more like an o sound. But I think that most English speakers would make the same mistake. That's why I thought the OpenPhonux spelling was good - it forces English speakers to say it your way. (As well as looking more like Phone on paper.) I'll be careful to say phon-ugs from now on! Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
On 31/05/12 16:36, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: ... 4. Nomenclature OpenPhoneux/GTA04 There may be some confusion what GTA04 and OpenPhoneux are and what makes them different. We define: * GTA*: the next generation motherboard(s), i.e. electronics * OpenPhonux: the future independent mobile handheld project aiming at complete devices (i.e. GTA04 + case + components) Currently, we run the domains www.gta04.org and www.openphoenux.org. The Openphoenux.org home page will be made more prominent and content rich soon. This was a really informative post - thanks! But how are you going to spell the new baby's name? I see Phoenux, Phoneux, and Phonux all within a few lines. If we were voting, I'd go for OpenPhonux, because it's roughly equal parts Phone, Phoenix and Linux which seems about right. Also, importantly I think, if you heard it spoken you'd probably be able to guess correctly how it's spelled, which helps with googling and word-of-mouth publicity. And it has the sound phone in it which helps tell people what it is (Phoenux doesn't, at least in English). And Phoneux looks as if it should be pronounced in French (or is that just me ...). But of course it's the parents who should name the baby, and I'm really only a bystander, though soon-to-be GTA04 owner ... Nick Sheppard ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NetBSD-current for openmoko GTA02
On 06/12/11 23:11, Peter Tworek wrote: Hi, For some time now I've been spending some of my free time on getting NetBSD running on my Freerunner. At last someone bringing NetBSD to the Freerunner! I've been waiting for the day when I can point to my phone and casually say Of course it runs NetBSD Thank you! I'm only a tinkerer myself, but some years ago I enjoyed getting NetBSD running on an old Blue White Mac G3. I was really impressed by the enthusiasm and helpfulness of the NetBSD community, and by their mission to make it run on every possible hardware, down to toasters if possible. It always seemed to me that the Freerunner would make a great project (if I only had the time and the skill). So I'm really happy to see what you're doing. One question now - what about the GTA04? Looking at NetBSD development, it seems that people are already working on ports to current OMAP and BeagleBoard type hardware. Does this mean that a port to the GTA04 would be relatively straightforward? Or is this too good to be true? Thanks again for letting us know what you're doing, Nick Sheppard ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit problem?
Gilles Filippini pini at debian.org writes: Hrabosh a écrit , Le 10/04/2011 19:36: Navit seems to run, but it is bigger than the screen (I can!t see part of the Navit keyboard, etc.) and I don!t have any Navit icon in QX. I can hardly help you further since I don't use the qtmoko distro. But you may want take a look at the wiki pages to find out how to fine tune your configuration using the navit.xml file: http://wiki.navit-project.org/ _g. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi everybody, freshly installed qtmoko_v35 on nand on a freerunner and tried 1) to install navit via apt-get: doesn't work (apt-get didn't install the navit.xml for example) 2) to install it via openmobile-zip file. After the map-configuration it starts, I even get a map, but the gps doesn't work. Starting NeronGPS simultaneously gives me a gps-signal on Neron but nor on Navit. I dont get any routing as well. Did anybody succeed in apt-get install navit ? Or is openmobile the only and old-fashioned way ? Where can I see the output from QX/navit ? Oh gosh, QTmoko is really nice but without Navit . Greetings, Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
list strangeness
Same here. My last list message forwarded by email was timed 10:34 on 21st Jan. Since then, nothing at all. As an experiment I logged on to the list a couple of days ago and requested a password reminder. It said reminder sent but the reminder never reached me - so whatever is stopping the list-forwarding must have stopped that too. Anyone else having this problem? Nick Sheppard ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[All] A Chance for some exposure
I subscribe to a very popular YouTube channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/phonedog) that does reviews for mobile phones and other tech gadgets. They have recently posted a video asking for people to submit their own video about their favourite gadget, with the best reviewer having a chance of the getting on their home page. I thought this would be a perfect opportunity for some exposure of the Neo FreeRunner (or even WikiReader) device. Does anyone with a YouTube account and who is motivated enough to produce a review want to submit a video? Have a look at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyCyVU4n6sY Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Qt Extended Improved] Alarm wake up from suspend
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be wrote: On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:23:28 -0700 (PDT) andrew howlett and...@howlett.net wrote: Just to let everybody know: Andrew (radagast) found the issue at hand, and it's a oneliner fix (something about not needing to use a monotonic clock) . See http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/11 I now have a qtextended 4.4.3 installation with the following extra: - working wifi (even after suspend/unsuspend) - alarms on time (for alarms app, but probably also for calender alarms) - mp3 support (albeit laggy if the touchscreen is used) - qterminal (I don't use it, but hey ...) Now the following issues remain: - better keyboard (for me, but that's not a real issue). I've already tweaked the settings a bit to get something better, see http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/10 - voice notes app not recording (seems to be an alsa-state thing) - voicemail service number not saved across reboots - 2.6.28 compatibility, for better battery usage and maybe some other fixes (please, somebody please tell me why 2.6.28 is better for the neo) I'm hoping to have a crack at the voicemail number problem, but see http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/15 If anybody is interested in my qtextended image, I can put a tar.gz file online if wanted ... Franky I'd be interested. Alarm during suspend has been an issue for me. I've been meaning to investigate it, but I suppose I was hoping someone else would do it first. So I'm very grateful to Mr Howlett ;-) Thanks, Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenCellID (was OpenBmap logger (GSM positioning)])
Thomas, I agree with you about the train and people in the train. what about bad gps hdop,... ? I agree your approach will be probably enought for assited GPS. (anyone knows the precision needed ?) but I don't think this is the right one for the other services mentionned. Thinking of a high quality my position service (google kind), we will not achieve it not treating gps hdop, gps speed... so to be constructive in order to merge our databases, would you be ready to collect gps speed, gps (hvp)dop and make these info available in your (very large) measures file ? From this, I could provide you with a new mapping manager that identify the cells position calculated with gps (hvp)dop, gps speed when these values are available the cells position calculated with no gps (hvp)dop, gps speed because these values are not available We would have only one database with both quantity (the whole database) and quality for some cells. (Hoping that the best quality, would be available for all the cells in the future) what do you think about it ? regards, Nick Thomas Landspurg a écrit : 2009/2/20 Nick realtimeb...@gmail.com mailto:realtimeb...@gmail.com Thomas, After trying to reach you a few times last year, i am really glad to have some news from you now. The easiest way is to use the email mentionned in the Web page! ;-) I am reponsible for the openBmap website. And yes, it would be a great thing to merge our projects ! The number of logs you have is very impressive ! well done ! My concern would be about the quality of your data . you still mention on the front page Note:If you want a professional CellID Database, I suggest you to go to Navizon who provides top services and databases. what do you mean ? Tihs mean that there are company that have created huge databases of high quality by spendig a lot of money on it, and they make money by selling these data. Navizon pays his users for this, and other are throwing a lot of money on this too, by sending people doing measures, or by buying operators database. That's exactly the same difference between OpenStreetMap and Navteq/Teleatlas. OpenStreetMap is free, provided by the community, but of a lower quality than their commercial counterpart except on some specific area not covered by these equivalents. Of course, the objective is to reach the same quality, but this will take time. and after importing 800 000 of your gps points in january, I see that for instance gps speed, gps hdop, gps pdop, gps vdop are not available (at least at the begining of this huge measures.txt file !), A bad pdop, vdop, hdop and i am positioned at 1 km from my real position ... What if i am in a high speed train at 300 km/h? or in plane ? (yes, it can work in planes...) Let's go back to the basics: the objective of these database if to provied an positionning to create services using localisation on top of this database. Let's take the sample of an high speed train: there is high chances that all the sample will came from people in the train itself, and not from the neighbour outside (train don't go at 300 km/h in high density area). So this mean that the REAL position of the cell will never be accuratly computed, which is not an issue, because the only interesting information is the user position. So sampling mesures even some errors is fine as long as it works fine to get user position. So the philosophy behing opencellid was to reach the 80/20 ratio: acheiving the 80% of functionality will require only 20% of the time needed to do these 100% functionality. So that's why we have a simple and elegant API, that is used by different devices with different capacities, while acheiving exactly this objective: providing an accurate cell id positionning. In my opinion, considering the following services *** asisted gps *** cell id to google my position kind of service *** cell id to town name service the real questions are: what precision do we need for openmoko location service through gsm cell id ? what precision our possibly merged database would provide ? Assisted GPS does not require huge precision. I am not an expert, but I would be curious to know what is the precision needed to get an assisted GPS. Using triangulation is a different story, and this obvisouly will work fine only in high density area, where you also have high density cells. So again, there is a direct correlation between the precision and the density of the area. Note also that OpenCellID use LAC (Local Area Code) to provide an alternate positioning with a lower precision if a cell is not know, but if the LAC is know. Typically other cells has been discovered in the same area. So once you get CellID positionning, you can use reverse geocoding
Re: OpenCellID (was OpenBmap logger (GSM positioning)])
Thomas, After trying to reach you a few times last year, i am really glad to have some news from you now. I am reponsible for the openBmap website. And yes, it would be a great thing to merge our projects ! The number of logs you have is very impressive ! well done ! My concern would be about the quality of your data . you still mention on the front page Note:If you want a professional CellID Database, I suggest you to go to Navizon who provides top services and databases. what do you mean ? and after importing 800 000 of your gps points in january, I see that for instance gps speed, gps hdop, gps pdop, gps vdop are not available (at least at the begining of this huge measures.txt file !), A bad pdop, vdop, hdop and i am positioned at 1 km from my real position ... What if i am in a high speed train at 300 km/h? or in plane ? (yes, it can work in planes...) In my opinion, considering the following services *** asisted gps *** cell id to google my position kind of service *** cell id to town name service the real questions are: what precision do we need for openmoko location service through gsm cell id ? what precision our possibly merged database would provide ? what do you think about the above considerations ? really glad to hear from you ! regards, Nick Thomas Landspurg a écrit : 2009/2/20 Onen onen.om http://onen.om@free.fr http://free.fr Hi Thomas, Thomas Landspurg wrote: Dear OpenMoko community (and thanks ed for pointing this out). I am behind the opencellid.org http://opencellid.org http://opencellid.org project, and it seems that there are some discussion around it these day on the mailing list. Last month, and today, indeed. Yes, I've get to it today! It's a pity not to have been notified of such discussion before. I've been through them, and I want to add some clarification about difference between database: - OpenCellID can also store signal strengh. But one of the issue, is heterogenity between datas. Some client don't have this information, and this create some additional complexity. That's why this information is for now only stored but not yet used. And in all was, if you want it, it's in the measure table, and not in the cell table. - About the barycenter of the area/instead of barycenter: it's not always the best way to do it, as it give more value to false datas. while the simple barycenter reduce these. Another option would be to exclude data that would be completely out of range And more general information about the databse: more than 500 developers have registered to get an API key. Obvisouly not 500 application are out, but show the interest of the community So let me clarifiy: - As described in the web site, the license is under creative common share alike 3.0. I had several request today stating that just linking to the license was not clear enough, so I will re-clarify it on the web site, but also in this list. Last time I checked (and other people, see the post I pointed out earlier today), it was not clear. But today, as people had a look again, it seems to me pretty clear :-) Last time, it was written under creative common license, with a link to the creative common share alike license. I am sorry if this was not clear enough, but as you see, a simple mail is enough to get it corrected. - I am surprised to see statment that I did not answer to some questions. I've verified,and all openmoko request have been answered. I am not perfect, and may be some emails have been missed, but a search on openmoko on my mail box did not raise any pending question. Not sure what you mean by openmoko request... When I stated that neither us nor openmoko did get an answer, I should have written: If I recall correclty openmoko tried to reach opencellid, but I have not heard of any response. We tried to contact opencellid, but got no response. I personally have not tried to reach you. But Nick yes, without answer, for what I have understood. Would be curious to have his email just to check. I am quite sure I've answered to all demands like this. There is more than 100 000 cells covered, with 5.5 millions of measure, and more cells will be donated soon. We expect to reach 200 000 cells in the coming weeks thanks to a new project donation. There is also more than 10 different clients (windows mobile, symbian, blackberry, j2me,...) gathering the database. Is there different countries? Yes, the stats page show all countries: http://www.opencellid.org/cell/stats Good to see there is no client for openmoko, otherwise I may have worked for nothing ;-) Yes, I've heard that other where working on such client too
Re: Best thing to run on Freerunner and Neo1973 machines today?
Daniel, Can you detail further how you got this GPS position thing working? What client/server did you use? Cheers On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 6:52 AM, Daniel Benoy dan...@benoy.name wrote: I'm having lots of fun with Debian. I put an 8GB card in my freerunner, and put Debian, zhone, and illume on it. (Illume is a fairly recent development, and it still doesn't work quite right. Here's how you install it if you're interested: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#Illume) Some spiffy projects once you get your OS going: - Bluetooth headsets - GPRS internet access - GPS (I made a page on my Blog that plots my position when the phone is online. It involved setting up dynamic DNS using bind on my personal server. Fun stuff!) - Maybe some games like ScummVM I'm also interested trying to set up some VoIP stuff but I've yet to find any really suitable software. On Wednesday 18 February 2009 06:33:56 you wrote: Hiya gang, After a few months of ignoring the OpenMoko scene while I concentrated on other things (beagleboard/openpandora) I find myself looking at my neo1973 and freerunner gear, and thinking its time to do something interesting with these devices again. But I have no idea what is going on with the FR these days .. So, I turn to you guys: what would you recommend I put on both/either of these machines for a bit of fun today? FDOM, SHR, something else? In terms of easy-to-get fun factor, what do you guys suggest? ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Om2008.12] Adding swap space can stop app crashes
Just as a helpful note, adding swap space seems to help against application crashes. I've always had issues with tangoGPS and the various webbrower apps crashing. Looking into it a little more I notice that this was occurring when the puny 128MB of memory was getting filled up. So, I added a swap file onto my microSD card and have had these problems practically clear up. Anyone else had any similar experiences? If this is a true fix this should probably go onto the wiki. So, I'm a bit lazy so instead of going through the trouble of adding a swap partition, I just created a swap file. My microSD card is mounted at /media/nickcard so change the below accordingly. I set mine up for 1GB, but that seems like way overkill, so here is a quick command list to create a 1/2GB swap. Create the swap file on the mounted microSD card (count is the number of megabytes, change accordingly): dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/nickcard/swapfile.img bs=1024k count=512 Format the swap file: mkswap /media/nickcard/swapfile.img Add the swap file to your running system: swapon /media/nickcard/swapfile.img use free -m to verify that the swap is going Now like I said I am lazy, so I didn't want to bother remembering how fstab worked so that it would auto-start that way, so I just added that last command to the startup. I read that you would just add /media/nickcard/swapfile.img none swap sw 0 0 to /etc/fstab but don't sue me if that part don't work. :) -Nick _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_012009___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[2008.12] Anyone get iptables working?
So, with 2008.9 I was using iptables to tether my ubuntu laptop to my freerunner's gprs connection. But as of 2008.12 I'm getting an Illegal instruction error each time I run the iptables command. Commands I run on the freerunner to enable tethering after gprs connection: iptables -v -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 I've noticed that most but not all iptables commands generate the same Illegal instruction error as well. Has anyone got around this yet? I've installed iptables, iptables-utils, and upgraded libgcc1 to v4.2.4-r5.1 from the angstrom repository. -Nick _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [2008.12] Anyone get iptables working?
From: timo.lindf...@iki.fi
To: stix...@hotmail.com
CC: community@lists.openmoko.org; timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Subject: Re: [2008.12] Anyone get iptables working?
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 23:23:00 +0200
Nick Van Fossen stix...@hotmail.com writes:
Program received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction.
0x9834 in ?? ()
(gdb) backtrace
#0 0x9834 in ?? ()
Cannot access memory at address 0x2
(gdb) x/5i $pc
0x9834 __strtoull_internal+1088: teqeq pc, r5, asr r6
Very odd. teq should be perfectly legal instructions that is available
on all architecture versions and does not involve exceptions.
0x9838 __strtoull_internal+1092: cfstrsnemvf4, [r0], #-316
What is this? Google finds this in a list about Cirrus Maverick
co-processor support for GCC.
the following are patches for gas, ld, opcodes, and bfd-- for the
Cirrus DSP arm copprocessor (arm9e).
/* Cirrus DSP instructions. */
+ {cfstrs,0x0c000400, NULL, NULL, ARM_EXT_MAVERIK,
do_c_ldst_1},
-- http://sources.redhat.com/ml/binutils/2001-10/msg00134.html
Where did you get these? :-) Please run
1) gdb --args iptables -v -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s
192.168.0.0/24
2) run
3) shell cat /proc/`pidof iptables`/maps
so that we see what library comes with this __strtoull_internal
implementation.
Like I said, I got iptables and iptables-utils from angstrom by adding the
angstrom repo using instructions at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories by creating the
/etc/opkg/angstrom-feed.conf file per the 2008.8 instructions
near the top. Then I used commands opkg update followed by opkg install
iptables iptables-utils. This also
updated the libgcc1 package, since iptables required a newer version than the
openmoko repo contained. (this includes the libgcc_s.so.1 file mentioned below)
-Nick
r...@om-gta02:/etc/opkg# gdb --args iptables -v -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j
MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24
GNU gdb 6.8
Copyright (C) 2008 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html
This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. Type show copying
and show warranty for details.
This GDB was configured as arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi...
(no debugging symbols found)
(gdb) run
Starting program: /usr/sbin/iptables -v -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s
192.168.0.0/24
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
Program received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction.
0x9834 in ?? ()
(gdb) shell cat /proc/`pidof iptables`/maps
8000-00021000 r-xp 1f:06 14560 /usr/sbin/iptables
00028000-0002b000 rw-p 00018000 1f:06 14560 /usr/sbin/iptables
0002b000-0004c000 rwxp 0002b000 00:00 0 [heap]
4000-4001c000 r-xp 1f:06 582/lib/ld-2.6.1.so
4002-40022000 rw-p 4002 00:00 0
40023000-40025000 rw-p 0001b000 1f:06 582/lib/ld-2.6.1.so
40025000-4002f000 r-xp 1f:06 14557 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
4002f000-40036000 ---p a000 1f:06 14557 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
40036000-40037000 rw-p 9000 1f:06 14557 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
40037000-40148000 r-xp 1f:06 588/lib/libc-2.6.1.so
40148000-4015 ---p 00111000 1f:06 588/lib/libc-2.6.1.so
4015-40151000 r--p 00111000 1f:06 588/lib/libc-2.6.1.so
40151000-40153000 rw-p 00112000 1f:06 588/lib/libc-2.6.1.so
40153000-40156000 rw-p 40153000 00:00 0
be85-be865000 rwxp befeb000 00:00 0 [stack]
(gdb)
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RE: [2008.12] Anyone get iptables working?
Thanks again, I'll give that a try! -Nick From: timo.lindf...@iki.fi To: stix...@hotmail.com CC: timo.lindf...@iki.fi; community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: [2008.12] Anyone get iptables working? Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:00:09 +0200 Nick Van Fossen stix...@hotmail.com writes: 8000-00021000 r-xp 1f:06 14560 /usr/sbin/iptables Ok so the address 0x9838 is indeed inside the iptables binary which thus has been compiled for wrong instruction set. Go build it for armv4 or get a distro that has it prebuilt :-) _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_012009___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [2008.12] Anyone get iptables working?
Ahh dang I should have checked my e-mail again earlier. I followed Timo's
suggestion to rebuild from source, and that worked like a charm. But your fix
would have saved me a bit of time. If anyone wants an ipk of iptables v1.4.2
let me know :)
Thanks everyone
-Nick
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:15:48 -0500
From: freerun...@newkirk.us
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
CC: stix...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [2008.12] Anyone get iptables working?
Try opkg remove iptables followed by opkg install
http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/iptables_1.3.8-r4_armv4t.opk;
;)
j
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:47:56 -0800, Nick Van Fossen stix...@hotmail.com
wrote:
From: timo.lindf...@iki.fi
To: stix...@hotmail.com
CC: community@lists.openmoko.org; timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Subject: Re: [2008.12] Anyone get iptables working?
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 23:23:00 +0200
Nick Van Fossen stix...@hotmail.com writes:
Program received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction.
0x9834 in ?? ()
(gdb) backtrace
#0 0x9834 in ?? ()
Cannot access memory at address 0x2
(gdb) x/5i $pc
0x9834 __strtoull_internal+1088: teqeq pc, r5, asr r6
Very odd. teq should be perfectly legal instructions that is available
on all architecture versions and does not involve exceptions.
0x9838 __strtoull_internal+1092: cfstrsnemvf4, [r0],
#-316
What is this? Google finds this in a list about Cirrus Maverick
co-processor support for GCC.
the following are patches for gas, ld, opcodes, and bfd-- for the
Cirrus DSP arm copprocessor (arm9e).
/* Cirrus DSP instructions. */
+ {cfstrs,0x0c000400, NULL, NULL,
ARM_EXT_MAVERIK, do_c_ldst_1},
-- http://sources.redhat.com/ml/binutils/2001-10/msg00134.html
Where did you get these? :-) Please run
1) gdb --args iptables -v -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s
192.168.0.0/24
2) run
3) shell cat /proc/`pidof iptables`/maps
so that we see what library comes with this __strtoull_internal
implementation.
Like I said, I got iptables and iptables-utils from angstrom by adding
the
angstrom repo using instructions at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories by creating the
/etc/opkg/angstrom-feed.conf file per the 2008.8 instructions
near the top. Then I used commands opkg update followed by opkg
install iptables iptables-utils. This also
updated the libgcc1 package, since iptables required a newer version than
the openmoko repo contained. (this includes the libgcc_s.so.1 file
mentioned below)
-Nick
r...@om-gta02:/etc/opkg# gdb --args iptables -v -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j
MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24
GNU gdb 6.8
Copyright (C) 2008 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later
http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html
This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. Type show
copying
and show warranty for details.
This GDB was configured as arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi...
(no debugging symbols found)
(gdb) run
Starting program: /usr/sbin/iptables -v -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j
MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
Program received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction.
0x9834 in ?? ()
(gdb) shell cat /proc/`pidof iptables`/maps
8000-00021000 r-xp 1f:06 14560 /usr/sbin/iptables
00028000-0002b000 rw-p 00018000 1f:06 14560 /usr/sbin/iptables
0002b000-0004c000 rwxp 0002b000 00:00 0 [heap]
4000-4001c000 r-xp 1f:06 582/lib/ld-2.6.1.so
4002-40022000 rw-p 4002 00:00 0
40023000-40025000 rw-p 0001b000 1f:06 582/lib/ld-2.6.1.so
40025000-4002f000 r-xp 1f:06 14557 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
4002f000-40036000 ---p a000 1f:06 14557 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
40036000-40037000 rw-p 9000 1f:06 14557 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
40037000-40148000 r-xp 1f:06 588/lib/libc-2.6.1.so
40148000-4015 ---p 00111000 1f:06 588/lib/libc-2.6.1.so
4015-40151000 r--p 00111000 1f:06 588/lib/libc-2.6.1.so
40151000-40153000 rw-p 00112000 1f:06 588/lib/libc-2.6.1.so
40153000-40156000 rw-p 40153000 00:00 0
be85-be865000 rwxp befeb000 00:00 0 [stack]
(gdb)
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[2008.* | Qtopia and whatever else uses Qtopia PIM] Sqlite DB speed trick
Saw this on reddit the other day and thought it might help [1]. sqlite3 has a vacuum command which does a few nifty things to compact your database [2] in which the example shows you can do it to your firefox 3 sqlite db files to increase performance (in things like the awesome bar etc). I thought I might try this on my phone as I know the qtopia PIM suite uses sqlite3. So to do this on 2008.* (and assuming this works on Qtopia distro): 0. make sure you have sqlite3 and lsof installed opkg install sqlite3 lsof 1. check your file sizes for comparison: ls -l ~/Applications/qtmail/qtopia_db.sqlite ls -l ~/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite 2. stop your xserver to remove the lock on the db files: /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop 3. check to make sure nothing is using the files lsof ~/Applications/qtmail/qtopia_db.sqlite lsof ~/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite 4. Compact sqlite3 ~/Applications/qtmail/qtopia_db.sqlite sqlite3 ~/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite 5. Restart X /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm start 6. Check file sizes again ls -l ~/Applications/qtmail/qtopia_db.sqlite ls -l ~/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite 7. ??? 8. Profit! This reduced my filesize from 195584 to 97280 for my qtmail/qtopia_db.sqlite file. I can't work out how to test performance other than experientially because of my lack of knowledge of qtopia debugging. Hopefully this means less files to load in memory which should equate to slightly quicker performance. It certainly worked for my firefox. Do at your own risk! Although I'm sure that sqlite's own locking mechanisms will stop you from nuking your db files. Good luck! And let me know of your success (definitely not failure)! :P -Nick Refs 1.http://www.gettingclever.com/2008/06/vacuum-your-firefox-3.html 2. http://www.sqlite.org/lang_vacuum.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Abwesenheitsnotiz community Digest, Vol 110, Issue 85
I can't get enough of these! Keep us posted! /s 2008/12/21 Oguz Varol oguz.va...@wgzbank.de Betrifft: Ihre Nachricht vom 21.12.08 12:00:02 Ich bin ab dem 29.12.08 wieder im Hause der WGZ Bank erreichbar. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte an meine Kollegen aus dem IT-PM. I am currently out of office and will be back the 29.12.2008. For any urgent matter, please contact the usual suspects. Mit freundlichem Gruß / Best Regards Dr. Oguz Varol ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New home for the New FDOM
A screen should show up. It won't if your accelerometers aren't working. To check this run: hexdump /dev/input/event2 which should give you output from the accelerometer that openmoocow uses. If you're using FDOM try replacing neod with a different copy to see if that solves it. Some people have reported accelerometers starting only once every few boots so try rebooting. Here's a neod that works for me: cd /tmp wget http://westhoffswelt.de/data/blog/moko_eightball/neod cp neod /usr/bin/neod chmod u+x /usr/bin/neod Happy mooing! -Nick On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Jonathan Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I believe it is a combination of inestability of accelerometers and sound if any of those elementes doesn't work mookow, still silent on even it doesn't open at all, it uses to work with the Neo just rebooted. as experiment you can execute the Moocow throug terminal and if no detect any sound device it will log the moos in the terminal. When I execute openmoocow through the terminal I see no output whatsoever. Is it supposed to open a screen or does it only do sound? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Contacts - Fdom vs. OM2008.8
Hmm i found that too Yaroslav. Would definitely be handy. Also the keyboard is almost incompatible. When you type in a name and select it, the keyboard puts in a space character which yields no results until you backspace. Is there a way to get the keyboard to lose predictive text so it can sort on the fly? -nick On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Yaroslav Halchenko site-openmoko.org@ onerussian.com wrote: ps : well , fdom is not V om , those guys are working on stability thing , we are working on feature , funny , fat and dirty things! One of those dirty things is change config files, the standard 2008.9 has this feature you only have tell it to not be so shy and show it :) If you look at the FDOMizer. script you will find all the dirty thing we have done to it :) according to git log and http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/commitlog/2008-September/006060.html holger enabled it in qtopia build in september ... but for some reason it wasn't enabled by default also it seems to be not 'patched' in the view of contacts whenever it is called from the dialer (person icon) -- and that is the most often place where I look for contacts... now I will need to start contacts first I guess, heh heh or may be Holger would add 1 more patch in the right spot? ;-) -- .-. =-- /v\ = Keep in touch// \\ (yoh@|www.)onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko /( )\ ICQ#: 60653192 Linux User^^-^^[17] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Sign up to Koolu's forum [1] and see what's going on there. Cfriedt also has a spreadsheet of progress that seems to have been updated frequently [2]. Last time I check there were a few to go but now, not so much. See also [3]. Nick 1. http://forum.koolu.org/ 2. http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pzDEXnU19gkeTjpD28t-7fw 3. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android See also: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1361683 On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Peter Neubauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, is there any progress on the porting of Android to the FR yet? Are updates posted to this list, since it seems pretty quite around the port? Cheers /peter http://www.oredev.se - Be there or be gone. GTalk:neubauer.peter Skypepeter.neubauer ICQ18762544 Phone +46704 106975 LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/neubauer Twitter http://twitter.com/peterneubauer http://www.neo4j.org - New Energy for Data - the Graph Database. http://www.ops4j.org - New Energy for OSS Communities - Open Participation Software. http://www.qi4j.org- New Energy for Java - Domain Driven Development. On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Jan Prinsloo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WHO :) Let the games begin! On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Sam Kuper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/10/21 Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] time to port to Neo ! I'm going to be watching this with interest! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS sensitivity
Online mode: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GPS#Assist_Online I've signed up for an account but not sure if the scripts worked for me or not. Haven't tested it fully. Make sure you update the wiki if you have any success or more information. -Nick On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Johny Tenfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: So, given that both the Neo 1973, and the Freerunner apparently have AGPS capabilities, I think that what needs to be figured out is how to send out AGPS data from community servers. Anyone with any thoughts on this? Neo1973 doesn't have AGPS capability, but FreeRunner has, and some time ago on this mailist was program to do GPS assistance in online mode - I don't know if it works, but when I have fix and I'm doing warm reset of FR GPS, it gets fix in ~5 seconds, so I'm think this result is also possible with working AGPS. dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fdom speed (was Re: New home for the New FDOM)
Denis is right. It's trying to do a reverse DNS lookup. This plauges all incorrectly configured linux distros. At least every so often on any one I use. Gestures daemon does use a bit but only 5% I believe. Just check with top. I turn it off anyway as I don't use it at the moment: update-rc.d -f gesd-neo2 remove I think... -Nick On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 5:18 AM, Leonti Bielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think something is lowing down FDOM, maybe this is gestures daemon (someone at some point said it eats a lot of CPU power)? And another thing - it takes years to login via ssh to Freerunner with FDOM. With other distributions I just enter 'ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]', press Enter and immediately press Enter when it asks for password. But with FDOM I actually have to wait till it gives me password promt. This happens not only with the lates distribution but with all FDOM I tried. But I still use sometimes to check for new things available for Freerunner. Leonti ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Auto-reject incoming phone calls
lanzo I don't believe FDOM (2008.x) uses FSO as middleware...yet. -Nick On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:59 AM, lanzo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: member kamituel wrote: script works on the FSO and is using Call and SMS DBus interfaces. Kamil #!/usr/bin/python import dbus [...] I am trying executing this script in FDOM but i get lots of errors (see below)... is there an easy way to make it work with this distro too? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ./auto-reject.py Traceback (most recent call last): File ./auto-reject.py, line 14, in module gsm_device_obj = bus.get_object( 'org.freesmartphone.ogsmd', '/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device' ) File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/bus.py, line 244, in get_object follow_name_owner_changes=follow_name_owner_changes) File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py, line 241, in __init__ self._named_service = conn.activate_name_owner(bus_name) File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/bus.py, line 183, in activate_name_owner self.start_service_by_name(bus_name) File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/bus.py, line 281, in start_service_by_name 'su', (bus_name, flags))) File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/connection.py, line 607, in call_blocking message, timeout) dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freesmartphone.ogsmd was not provided by any .service files [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# tnx very much lanzo -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Auto-reject-incoming-phone-calls-tp1375533p1384780.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: led blinking during suspend?
Marcel, Andy has already spoken of this. The second CPU is called a PMU and would be troublesome with user-access, in that the user would have access to upgrade the PMU and consequently be able to brick it. Difficult in an open scenario such as the Freerunner I guess. -Nick On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 5:30 AM, Marcel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Monday 27 October 2008 20:14:29 schrieb Richy: As far as I understood, you should be able to have the LEDs _on_ even during suspend. AFAIK the cell phone wakes up, when receiving a call. So you could signalize missing calls with LED on and SMS with different colors or something like that.. But a permanently turned on LED would drain (how much?) power, too. Maybe we would need some really low power second cpu that is only there to flash LEDs etc - I've read about that technique somewhere, didn't the N810 have it? -Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: JTAG interface board
Hi On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Leo McManus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am looking at buying a Freerunner for use on a embedded course. When I looked at buying last year the phone came with a developer board...and a pretty case! If I buy a freerunner now it will not come with the interface board. What restrictions will this put on my development. Will I be unable to modify the U-Boot code. Can I flash all the blocks within the flash? TA Leo In a study, scientists report that drinking beer can be good for your liver. I'm sorry, did I say 'scientists'? I meant Irish people. This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community You can update uboot and install new kernels and rootfs using openmoko's dlf-util program. But if you mess up programming uboot, your going to brick you phone. You can flash u-boot in NAND via dfu-util, but you can only alter u-boot in NOR with the debug board. So without the board you can still play around with bootloader, kernel and rootfs, and if you stuff up, then the u-boot in NOR will still be available to use to reflash and recover. Cheers They sell a JTAB / serial port board for the freerunner. This board is nice because it can work on any arm system that has the 20 pin JTAG connector. Openmoko still sells the Dboard on the US direct site http://us.direct.openmoko.com/. Basicly its a FTDI high speed usb to serial interface chip wired up to be a JTAG. Its nice because its a simple open jtag system, that programs like xilinx and openOCD can operate. -- Peter Fetterer KB3GTN The force is like duct tape. It has a light side and a darkside and binds the universe together. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Nick Loeve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Fun using power button LEDs as battery indicator
Some of you probably knew this, but I just found out that the Freerunner actually has a couple LEDs under the power button, but they don't seem to be used yet in 2008.9 stable. So, I thought it would be helpful to use them as an external battery power indicator. If you are like me, I let my phone screen go black after 60 seconds and go to suspend by button press only, so this is also helpful to tell if the Freerunner is in suspend or powered on with the screen off. Power button blue for high battery, purple for medium, and orange for low. Perl script and simple instructions: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner/Buttons_and_LEDs#Led_Power_Status_Perl_Script By the way, suspend mode and the phone itself are working great for me after figuring out that pulseaudio was causing major problems. Don't install the mediaplayer, and if you did... get rid of pulseaudio and the phone starts working pretty good. -Nick _ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone (was: Re: dead battery)
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly right. My understanding is this: Nokia devices (phones and stand-alone chargers) will not charge non-Nokia batteries, most likely because they can't be sure they have the correct charging parameters. Most after-market or no-name brands of Nokia-compatible chargers don't test the make of the battery, most likely because adding the capability to perform this test would add to the cost of the charger. Thus: * You can use a Nokia or Nokia-compatible BL-4C, BL-5C, or BL-6C in the Neo * You can charge the Neo battery in a Nokia-compatible charger that is not Nokia branded * You can NOT charge the Neo battery in a Nokia branded phone or charger Michael Thanks for this helpfully complete characterization. Do you happen to know if a Nokia battery (such as the BL-5c) will charge in the FreeRunner? Thanks, Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Cincinnati Bell Wireless
Hello, I intend to buy a FreeRunner. This will be my first time owning a cell phone, though. My service plan is offered through my university by Cincinnati Bell Wireless, and includes a free phone. Can I expect that removing the SIM card from the free phone and placing it in the FreeRunner will work? (IE, allow calls and SMS. I'd do any data over wifi.) Thanks, Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: openvpn?
Thanks a lot! My problem was with the openssl dependencies, which are resolved by using the openssl-dev package you referenced. I was now able to create an .ipk package and it works flawlessly with 2008.8. Now I can actually use my phone at work to connect to other work machines through our wifi network... all the iPhone users here are going to drool now. -Nick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:54:04 -0400 Subject: Re: openvpn? What are you having trouble with? I was able to cross-compile http://openvpn.net/release/openvpn-2.1_rc9.tar.gz on the first attempt with . /usr/local/openmoko/arm/setup-env;./configure --host=arm-angstrom-linux;make after easing http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/armv4t/openssl-dev_0.9.7g-r7_armv4t.opk into /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib. I've not tested it yet. j - Original Message - From: Nick Van Fossen To: Subject: openvpn? Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:42:49 -0700 I'm trying to compile openvpn for my FreeRunner, which is running 2008.8, but so far I haven't been successful. Has anyone else tried to do this yet? If so I'd appreciate any info on how you were able to. -Nick __ ___ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yahoo_082008 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community _ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
openvpn?
I'm trying to compile openvpn for my FreeRunner, which is running 2008.8, but so far I haven't been successful. Has anyone else tried to do this yet? If so I'd appreciate any info on how you were able to. -Nick _ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yahoo_082008 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Om2008.8 comments and questions
I can't speak for the Openmoko developers, but it is fairly well known that the openmoko software is a work in progress with things breaking and being fixed very often. I believe most people who have the Neo phones have them to be part of something new that hasn't been done before on a phone, test and play with something exciting yet still unfinished, and possibly even contribute to making the phone software even better. These people also understand that the software is a work in progress, and that nothing at this stage in the game is guaranteed not to break. If your needs actually are a solid and easy phone, with few hiccups, and good linux compatibility... I'm guessing you purchased about a year too early in its development. Remember that opensource development != proprietary development, as opensource software is often available to users/developers years in advance of it being stable enough to do the work expected of the final version... where proprietary software (like the iPhone you mention) is hidden from users for years during the stage of development openmoko is currently. This is like trying to use the iPhone a year before it was released to the public. It would have been exciting, but few things would have worked perfectly, with regressions and inconsistencies between builds just the same. Be excited you are part of something new, but to expect solid performance today is a bit premature. I can't wait for mine to arrive next week, working features be damned! :) -Nick Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:55:39 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Om2008.8 comments and questions Hi Openmoko cummunity (and developmen team), I'm a little bit concerned about how priorities are set and handled and would like to read your opinion. 2 weeks ago I got my Neo Freerunner with Om2007. I was able to get it up and running, even importing my contacts from my old phone wasn't really an issue. WiFi worked ok too. Then I flashed my phone with Om2008.8. Call me oldfashioned, but I'm one of the guys who wants to use his phone for the reason it was actually built in the first place: making phone calls. I expect only 3 things from a phone (which are the most basic things a phone should be able to accomplish): 1) making and receiving calls 2) managing contacts 3) alarm function I will go in more detail regarding these 3 points in a moment. I know that the phone has overwhelming features and I would like to see them in action, but first I should be able to use it as a phone. I don't care about GPS, games or a graphical installer right now. ad 2) I was not able to migrate my phonebook from om2007 to om2008. I had a backup from my home dir and I had the .vcf files on my sd card. Well, entering my 500 contacts is not an option. The keyboard is more or less useless, since it takes at least 'number of character' times 2 seconds to enter a word, which cannot be guessed by the keyboard 'logic'. What about sending contacts via Bluetooth? What about importing vcf files? ad 3) this does not work either. sometimes I can see an alarm icon, but no alarm tone. hmmm, not much of an alarm then. These are basic functions which do not work and people are talking about GTA03, cameras, GPS mapping functions. I don't get it. First of all the phone should be able to do at least things that a 50$ phone can do. I bought the openmoko phone, because I'm using Linux and I thought that it would be easier to sync contact and calendar data with my workstation. I was definitely wrong. The data is not even compatible between Om releases. Furthermore it seems to me that a propriatary system is developed which makes it even harder to communicate with standard Linux distros. In that case I could have bought the iPhone as well. At least that phone works. As long as the priorities are not focused on basic features as I described above, this phone will not be useable for quite a while. Regards, Helmut ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community _ Your PC, mobile phone, and online services work together like never before. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108587394/direct/01/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Any opinions on purchasing from Koolu?
I've been trying to purchase a new 850 Freerunner for almost 2 weeks now, but as you already know the openmoko online store still says they are to arrive on July 25th... The only two US distributors are Koolu, and gp2xstore.com. Gp2xstore.com only lists the Neo 1973 - not freerunner, and has been ignoring my e-mails for a week and a half, so I guess my only choice is Koolu. But, Koolu looks like they want to go a different direction with their phones than Openmoko does by installing Android, Google Apps, and some other goodies that I have no interest in. I've been hesitant to purchase from them because of this, but I'm wondering if anyone else has purchased an 850 Freerunner from Koolu and how that went? Did you get your phone? Have any problems with Koolu? Do you have any problems installing any of the openmoko builds/stacks? Thanks! -Nick _ Get more from your digital life. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home2_082008 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!
Hi again, On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 5:26 PM, nick loeve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andy (nice work BTW, you and the rest of the team) On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | FWIW i just flashed | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080715/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin | today and i got a fix outside with my sd card inserted. Previously i | never saw a satellite unless i took it out. | | Did that build have the patches i see at | http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=andy ? Those guys are built off stable branch going by the git hash, it doesn't have the latest patches in yet that are in andy. The only GPS-related patch it should have is one that stops power from idle / high UART TX pin leaking into GPS section when it is 'off', but that isn't directly suspected. So I dunno why your GPS is all happy after being happy the first time, but long may it last :-) Yeah this is nice, but strange... as I have tried for more than the last week to even see a satellite, in a range of conditions, and positions, and sometimes for hours at a time. Oh well, not complaining... :) I just tried the latest mwebster-andy kernel from http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels which has the sdcard clock patches, and now i get even better signals, and fix from cold start outside in 48secs. So the voltage patch certainly helped, and the sdcard clock patches seemed to have made it even better. I have not tried accessing maps from sdcard while using GPS, but i will try and test that later. Cheers, and thanks for the good work! - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkh+DXEACgkQOjLpvpq7dMohBACgjPYw6oqp9hlVHiGIAsPP5YUn eHQAoIMo2QqfNztz5QW7aZ9MuXy74Um7 =Sxhi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Nick Loeve -- Nick Loeve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!
Hi On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:41:44 +0200, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The note attached said: GPS internal antenna issue appears to respond positively to cranking RF_3V to 3.6V from 3.0V. it is a SNR issue for sure, and to boost SNR you either boost signal (which is what voltage raise does) or you reduce noise (which what removal of SD card seems to be doing). Andy submitted another patch within the last day or so that toyed with the voltage levels of the SD circuitry, but his notes indicate that it's more to do with data stability than noise/interference with the GPS unit. I'd love to test with that patch. Is it in a daily build? FWIW i just flashed http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080715/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin today and i got a fix outside with my sd card inserted. Previously i never saw a satellite unless i took it out. Did that build have the patches i see at http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=andy ? Cheers -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Nick Loeve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!
Hi Andy (nice work BTW, you and the rest of the team) On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | FWIW i just flashed | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080715/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin | today and i got a fix outside with my sd card inserted. Previously i | never saw a satellite unless i took it out. | | Did that build have the patches i see at | http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=andy ? Those guys are built off stable branch going by the git hash, it doesn't have the latest patches in yet that are in andy. The only GPS-related patch it should have is one that stops power from idle / high UART TX pin leaking into GPS section when it is 'off', but that isn't directly suspected. So I dunno why your GPS is all happy after being happy the first time, but long may it last :-) Yeah this is nice, but strange... as I have tried for more than the last week to even see a satellite, in a range of conditions, and positions, and sometimes for hours at a time. Oh well, not complaining... :) - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkh+DXEACgkQOjLpvpq7dMohBACgjPYw6oqp9hlVHiGIAsPP5YUn eHQAoIMo2QqfNztz5QW7aZ9MuXy74Um7 =Sxhi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Nick Loeve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacing ASU/Qtopia keyboard with matchbox keyboard?
Hi On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:17 PM, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Ken Restivo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've installed the matchbox keyboard on my ASU installation, and I love it. matchbox-keyboard-im - 0.0+svnr1910-r10 - matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod - 0.0+svnr1910-r10 - qtopia-phone-x11-libinputmatch - 4.3.2+git3+876ed02211e50547856491ad54a75299b62efe4c-r31 - Only problem is, how can I get the apps to use it as an input method instead of its own built-in QWERTY keyboard? Actually clicking on the keyboard's icon in the launcher is a disaster; it gives me three instances of the keyboard and fills up the screen so much that there's no way to open any other app, the only solution is to reboot the phone. Thanks. -ken I think the matchbox keyboard only works in matchbox without changes. You might wanna checkout the work the guys at INdT are doing for the mamona distro in regards to input methods and matchbox-keyboard http://dev.openbossa.org/mamona/gitweb http://dev.openbossa.org/mamona/gitweb?p=mamona.git;a=commit;h=78e9f72d21842297e29c2b627fed9e1f3e495a0d Cheers ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Nick Loeve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!
Hi On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:05 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe we should only insert the card once the fix is acquired. At least at times where we want to use both GPS and SD. Not much of a solution, but it still act as a workaround (provided the GPS is able to keep the fix once the SD is re-inserted). inserting the sd card requires the batter to be removed -- thus forcing th gps to a cold start ... i think we're back at the point where feeding data to the chip is meaningful ... I do this using the utility at http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/matt_hsu/agps-online/ Using my account details and current location i can get agps data loaded, but it still makes no difference for me getting a fix if the sd card is still in place. Cheers ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Nick Loeve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacing ASU/Qtopia keyboard with matchbox keyboard?
Hi On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Ken Restivo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 04:04:11PM +0200, nick loeve wrote: Hi On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:17 PM, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Ken Restivo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've installed the matchbox keyboard on my ASU installation, and I love it. matchbox-keyboard-im - 0.0+svnr1910-r10 - matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod - 0.0+svnr1910-r10 - qtopia-phone-x11-libinputmatch - 4.3.2+git3+876ed02211e50547856491ad54a75299b62efe4c-r31 - Only problem is, how can I get the apps to use it as an input method instead of its own built-in QWERTY keyboard? Actually clicking on the keyboard's icon in the launcher is a disaster; it gives me three instances of the keyboard and fills up the screen so much that there's no way to open any other app, the only solution is to reboot the phone. Thanks. -ken I think the matchbox keyboard only works in matchbox without changes. You might wanna checkout the work the guys at INdT are doing for the mamona distro in regards to input methods and matchbox-keyboard http://dev.openbossa.org/mamona/gitweb http://dev.openbossa.org/mamona/gitweb?p=mamona.git;a=commit;h=78e9f72d21842297e29c2b627fed9e1f3e495a0d Another distro?! *sigh* The bane of Open Source-- everyone working on his or her own sandbox instead of together on getting one distro solid and complete. Thanks. I didn't see this one listed in the distros Wiki page. Should I add it? Well it is not targeted at the OM devices, at least at the moment it is primarily for nokia internet tablets. But they have been working on some similar issues with matchbox-keyboard and different UI toolkits and window managers -ken ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Nick Loeve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Value of headsets and pouches for 10 pack orders?
Hi Aus people, Neil: the info I got was referred to me by another Brisbane guy who pointed me to the Buying over the internet page [1] which is where I got the 5% from (check the table down the bottom). Dennis: I did the UPS one and it came to around $170 which is drastically different from $70 so maybe I did something wrong there. Nice work interrogating Customs btw ;) In summary, I'm clueless as to a definitive answer. Alex you work for the ADO, so you must speak government-ese, maybe you can bring some clarity to our situation... -Nick [1] http://www.customs.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=5549 On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 9:37 PM, NeilBrown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 16, 2008 3:59 pm, nickd wrote: That's strange. I'm in Brisbane and it worked out cheaper to buy in bulk. I estimated the postage as $70 for the bulk and $50 for individual (using AusPost's Int. parcel calculator). What was your postage/calculations? I've attached the worksheet I used to come to my amount. Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but where did you get the 5% figure from? Looking at the different tariff classes in http://www.customs.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=4273 The openmoko could only possibly fall in section 16 and chapter 85. Of those the closest fit seems to be item 8517. (See http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/resources/tariff/chapter85notes.pdf ) According to http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/resources/tariff/chapter85goods_b.pdf there are several subclasses of 8517, but the closest seems to be 8517.12.00 - Telephones for cellular networks or for other wireless networks which is Free of import duty. However I couldn't find Computer or PDA in Chapter 85, so maybe I'm missing something. But the above suggests that if the package is marked that it contains Cellular Telephony Devices (sounds more impressive than 'mobile phones') they should be customs-free ??? NeilBrown ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Our new Main page of wiki
It's not just the titles that are awkward, all the text sounds kind of awkward. Brenda, don't be offended at this, but your first language is not English is it? Perhaps you should leave the content of the consumer-facing pages (at least, the ones that are in english) to someone who has English intuition. I know, Openmoko is supposed to be about Openness, but this is a little ridiculous. On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Brenda Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the design environment I used. Attached file is the the look of main page design. My resolution is 1024*768 Under Windows XP IE 6.0, Mac salaries will look like the attached file.(1024*768 windows ) Under Linux Firefox 2.0.0.13/Mac Firefox 3.1, the title will turn to black. (My setting is use the default color) The wiki skin I used is Openmoko (default). Brenda Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: On 4/18/08, Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Too big? Which resolution do you use? 300x200? Ok, with 1920x1200 many things can be too small (specially flash videos and fixed sized hps) but I think this is also in an usual resolution too small.The solution to make it bigger at my browser is not the right way i think. Many people don't have good eyes and they should also can read the menu. This is a compromise between too big and including people which use too high resolution. If you have this big resolution, and you don't have any problems on other web pages, you don't have a problem here, right? Adjusting the font size is easy (ctrl-+), except if you use IE (you have to go on View - Text size - Largest if you use IE). Some people use special glasses when they use the computer... you cannot expect this wiki to use 24pt text. People like to see more than just a few words at a time. I want to see the whole page without horizontal scrolling and the whole index table without vertical scrolling. I think I am not the only one. I do not have larger resolution that 800x600 here (very little screen), and really hate too large fonts. That is just my opinion. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 99
It's not about paying more, it's about transparency and setting a standard for others to follow. I vote for 400$ also. On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm happy paying $399 for all ye who feel the need to pay $400 to make it even. :P Though, I'll hop on the even bandwagon if it's dropped as long as Openmoko makes profit. :) If you really want to pay more, you could set up a Tip a Developer program... -Kevin On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Daniel Selinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:11:59 +0200 Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The prices for GTA02 and the debug board are $399 and $99, respectively. While there's nothing wrong with charging exactly 99 dollars for something, the practice of reducing a round price by one dollar, AKA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_pricing is often associated with cheap marketing tricks, trying to make the price look less than it is and so on. In my opinion, admitting that a hundred is a hundred and charging $400 and $100 for GTA02 and the debug board would fit better into the OpenMoko spirit of openness and transparency. Especially when most of the other prices out there end with 95 or 99, a round price tag will send a message: We're honest with you and aren't messing with your mind like others do. nice thought /sign ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 99
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Brandon Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun April 20 2008 7:27:06 pm Kevin Dean wrote: I'm happy paying $399 for all ye who feel the need to pay $400 to make it even. :P Though, I'll hop on the even bandwagon if it's dropped as long as Openmoko makes profit. :) If you really want to pay more, you could set up a Tip a Developer program... -Kevin On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Daniel Selinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:11:59 +0200 Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The prices for GTA02 and the debug board are $399 and $99, respectively. While there's nothing wrong with charging exactly 99 dollars for something, the practice of reducing a round price by one dollar, AKA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_pricing is often associated with cheap marketing tricks, trying to make the price look less than it is and so on. In my opinion, admitting that a hundred is a hundred and charging $400 and $100 for GTA02 and the debug board would fit better into the OpenMoko spirit of openness and transparency. Especially when most of the other prices out there end with 95 or 99, a round price tag will send a message: We're honest with you and aren't messing with your mind like others do. nice thought /sign ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community This tip a programmer idea is very interesting. What does the community think about setting up a site where people can say We'll each donate x amount once y feature is integrated or something of the sort. This way, Openmoko can see what features are most important to the community and the community would be able to donate to OM to help develop and research future products. No, don't do this! For one, the overhead of managing that is and making sure all the details are fair to everyone is too much for what it'll pull in. For two, it'll mean that features get implemented, but not implemented well, and the coverage of features will be to the preferences of whoever (linux-land hacker, remember) pays the most, instead of what this phone needs to succeed commercially. Seriously, stay on track guys. -nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I just want a free phone
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Breakable [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, I read some discussions about the accessories to GTA02. In my humble opinion the community should not expect the OpenMoko Inc to provide all the accessories, as soon as the phone is released, especially for the non-consumer version yet. For now i would be happy to get the phone itself, and would bare with the inconvienience of searching for accessories in ebay, or anywhere else. I hope the communyti will start building and documenting whatever accesories are available. It might take some time, but the FreeRunner will popup in the local phone shops after a while, and then I would expect to have a full range of compatible accesories avalable locally. Regards, Breakable +1 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Smart LCD birght/dim...
In particular, the wifi/gprs connection is going to suck a lot more power than the dimming, and weather sites are never accurate to the minute anyway (which *is* what you really need for this to be any better than just having a readily accessible brightness slider). On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 6:52 AM, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly my thoughts: This sounds way too complicated to actually be useful. I'd rather adjust my brightness manually. On 4/12/08, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since Freerunner won't have an hardware light sensor to set its LCD brightness, I got some ideas about smartly changing the luminance of the GTA02 screen to save its battery (still with an unknown life time :/). Of course they aren't and never will be precise as an hardware sensor is, but it's the only thing we have: 1) Setting the brightness following the hour of the day: also if the phone can't know if it's sunny or cloudy, neither if you're indoor or outdoor, it's clear that just knowing the hour of the day, the date and your latitude (to be set once via GPS) the phone can easily know when the sun will rise and set, and so it will be possible increasing or reducing the LCD brightness. Also if you're indoor, I guess that when the sun is gone you won't need so much luminance... 2) Using personal profiles that follow your habits: you could define, for each hour of each week day the presumed luminance, using something like a calendar. I mean, if on working-days I generally stay indoor every day from 8:30 to 13:00 and from 15:00 to the 19:00 I figure that on these intervals I don't need all the LCD power, so I'll set in my calendar that on such interval I'll be indoor... I guess that many of you would follow a routine durning the week, why don't educate your phone for it!? 3) Setting the luminance following the weather. Of course I've no light sensors, neither a barometer :P, but if I've a working connection available I could use the weather data downloaded every few minutes (60, for example) from internet to change my screen brightness (of course merging these informations with points 1 and 2) What do you think about them? I do think that they are really simple to implement, and that also if they won't guarantee a perferct result, they could be a smart workaround. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ Or you could just... dim it after a few seconds and go blank after a minute like every other phone does. If we try to solve this by complex heuristics we're 1) going to get it wrong 2) going to end up wasting more battery in doing the computations than we save by them. -Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: LCD protector
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Ajit Natarajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, A friend of mine who owns an iPhone purchased an LCD protector. It is a sheet of clear material cut to the dimensions of the LCD screen. When affixed to the screen, it doesn't affect touch screen operation. However, it resists scratching and fingerprints can simply be wiped off. Is this something that will be needed on the Freerunner? Or does the Freerunner come with a scratch resistant screen/coating? If a protector is needed, will there be an option to purchase it? My friend told me that one needs to be careful when affixing the protector, or ``bubbles'' will result. It would be great if instructions could be included with the protector on the best technique to affix it. I sliced off the edges of some of my old Palm protectors and stuck it to my Neo. It gets bubbles at first but after some use they just disappear. -Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Smart LCD birght/dim...
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since Freerunner won't have an hardware light sensor to set its LCD brightness, I got some ideas about smartly changing the luminance of the GTA02 screen to save its battery (still with an unknown life time :/). Of course they aren't and never will be precise as an hardware sensor is, but it's the only thing we have: 1) Setting the brightness following the hour of the day: also if the phone can't know if it's sunny or cloudy, neither if you're indoor or outdoor, it's clear that just knowing the hour of the day, the date and your latitude (to be set once via GPS) the phone can easily know when the sun will rise and set, and so it will be possible increasing or reducing the LCD brightness. Also if you're indoor, I guess that when the sun is gone you won't need so much luminance... 2) Using personal profiles that follow your habits: you could define, for each hour of each week day the presumed luminance, using something like a calendar. I mean, if on working-days I generally stay indoor every day from 8:30 to 13:00 and from 15:00 to the 19:00 I figure that on these intervals I don't need all the LCD power, so I'll set in my calendar that on such interval I'll be indoor... I guess that many of you would follow a routine durning the week, why don't educate your phone for it!? 3) Setting the luminance following the weather. Of course I've no light sensors, neither a barometer :P, but if I've a working connection available I could use the weather data downloaded every few minutes (60, for example) from internet to change my screen brightness (of course merging these informations with points 1 and 2) What do you think about them? I do think that they are really simple to implement, and that also if they won't guarantee a perferct result, they could be a smart workaround. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ Or you could just... dim it after a few seconds and go blank after a minute like every other phone does. If we try to solve this by complex heuristics we're 1) going to get it wrong 2) going to end up wasting more battery in doing the computations than we save by them. -Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: customized CPE
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:32 PM, khang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taiwan CPE developers of WiMax (etc..) are looking for a new OS/plateform , so their applications won't be limited . We are planning 1.City surveillance (live project) --- installing digital camera wirelessly sending clear image back to control center. 2.Remote medical care --- sending medical data / warning signals wirelessly to Hospital / doctors 3.Home security --- remote monitoring home status including old people and child safty using WiMax network ( mobile Internet ) . Is OpenMoko CPE a good choice for niche or special applications or not ??? Any ideas ? If not , many of the developers will go for Android . That is not good . Let them. I don't particularly want our community work to be used to implement Big Brother. -Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (no subject)
On 3/31/08, Thinesh thusinthaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to get into the community... add me in.. Why? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3 nets
On 3/30/08, khang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to have an openmoko device (GTA0?) which can access to 3 nets :Internet (email ,VoIP wikipedia etc..),phonenet(3G,GPRS..) and cablenet (IPTV, vedio on demand .. ). Is it possible ? If you'd searched for news articles on Openmoko or the wiki, you would know that GTA02 has a GSM chip for your 'phonenet' and an atheros wifi chip for internet (or you can get internet via GPRS). As for cable.. I doubt it. This thing is too tiny to have a coaxial connection, and the processing power is probably too weak. This is a phone, not an everything, keep on target please. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3 nets
Probably. The neo is roughly about as powered as a zaurus, and I've run mplayer on a zaurus before without too much degradation. On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Just one question, will it be able to watch movies on it? joerg skrev: Am So 30. März 2008 schrieb Nick Guenther: On 3/30/08, khang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and cablenet (IPTV, vedio on demand .. ). Is it possible ? This thing is too tiny to have a coaxial connection, and the processing power is probably too weak. This is a phone, not an everything, keep on target please. Well I guess there are a lot of cable modems with WLAN. NEO is no phone, but only a something like a 300MHz/128MB computer. You won't find any in this class to do tricks like IPTV :-D (at least w/o a graphics video accelerator card, or other dedicated video hardware) jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.6.24 kernel RNDIS is not work when I use the same NeoRndis.inf
On 3/17/08, polz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 17 March 2008 10:03:04 Xiangfu Liu wrote: hi i flash my NEO1973 with the new kernel when i connect to the Windows XP it 's not work i can see the Device in the computer but it is not work but it's work with Ubuntu. Have you installed the neccessary drvers ? Neo1973 presents itself as a USB ethernet card to the computer. Without the neccessary drivers, it can't work. The drivers are included with Ubuntu, For Windows, you're on your own. You'll also need a program to connect to your Neo. I suggest you use putty. That's what NeoRndis.inf is for. So he has the driver installed, that's not the problem. I think it seems like he knows what he's doing, but just.. something is broken. Xiangfu: do you see the Neo showing up in Network Connections or not? Perhaps you need to uninstall the driver first and then plug the Neo back in and let WinXP reinstall it and at the same time update some of the many bits of secret Windows-data it uses to track devices? -Nick ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Coolest thing at ETech (other than Openmoko :-) ): Fireeagle
Big Brother much? On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What its going to be.. is a series of api's to allow you to; 'provide' your physical location (manual web entry-sms-gps phone app) 'promote or interact out onto other platforms (facebook,blog, widgets etc) your location automaticgically. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ivo Anjo Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2008 4:25 PM To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: Re: Coolest thing at ETech (other than Openmoko :-) ): Fireeagle I couldn't find a great deal of info about it. What is it really? Can anyone elaborate further? Ivo Anjo On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I received a beta invite to it yesterday. I thought wow sounds neathmmm maybe not - there are no actual applications available and only supports manual web page entry of your location. Sure there's a bunch of 'potential alpha' api codes but nothing you couldn't hack together yourself. Like I said neat concept but came out of beta way way too early. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2008 3:47 PM To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: Coolest thing at ETech (other than Openmoko :-) ): Fireeagle Take a look at this and think about what we can do on Openmoko with this: www.fireeagle.com Still in beta. Drop me a line if you want an invitation. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Warning. Don't remove battery with usb power
Okay, thanks for the clarification. I was just concerned about hearsay on the list. Thanks for the science. -Nick On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Nick, I've not looked at the electronics inside the neo myself but the sound is typical in the electronics world of a switchmode power supply under grate strain. I was told by someone on the irc channel that OM folks recommend you don't do it and being an electronics engineer myself i recommend this too. The sound is not something the phone should be emitting in normal operation. Nick Guenther wrote: On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Just a reminder to everyone *NOT* to pull out the battery while the neo has USB power. You may not have heard it but the phone gets quite angry. As evident by a quiet scream the phone emits as the components in its power system begin to vibrate closer to magic smoke land. Is this true? I haven't been worrying about the scream at all myself. how do you know the whine is from power components? -Nick ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Warning. Don't remove battery with usb power
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Just a reminder to everyone *NOT* to pull out the battery while the neo has USB power. You may not have heard it but the phone gets quite angry. As evident by a quiet scream the phone emits as the components in its power system begin to vibrate closer to magic smoke land. Is this true? I haven't been worrying about the scream at all myself. how do you know the whine is from power components? -Nick ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OSX issue: Anyone successful to config RNDIS/Ethernet Gadget on 10.5.2
On 2/29/08, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have now upgraded my Mac to 10.5.2 and tried to connect the OpenMoko through RNDIS. Opening the System Settings shows a new interface called RNDIS/ Ethernet Gadget but it is shown as a Phone Modem. So, I can configure a phone number but no LAN address... Any success/idesas to save some time? As soon as it works, I can update the MacOSX wiki pages. Nikolaus When are you plugging the phone in? If you plug it in at bootloader maybe Leopard is remembering the device it saw there, and not the ethernet gadget that the kernel presents. -Nick ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea of a voice mail application
On 2/29/08, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... and if your boss heard a message like this - come Monday you'd be looking for a new job. Can I suggest that you don't really have the processing power onboard the neo to perform a real intelligent call routing application (and yes I'm about to be shot down yet again for suggesting that FIC build a web services component to their product offering) - this should be handled off deck in conjunction with an on handset processing capability. hahahahaha, web services? The processing power needed to parse the XML (or even the JSON) is going to be more than it takes to determine these voicemail profiles. They just have to be small scripts that get passed a call and decide receive or hang up. There could even be a library of such community-submitted scripts for different sorts of lifestyles. For an example of what I'm proposing check out www.iotum.com and their blackberry intelligent call routing application. Oh and if an VC reads this and wants to discuss further I have a full mockup of a number of web services applications that should be bundled into the FIC platform. What are they written in? -Nick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Trevisan (Treviño) Sent: Friday, 29 February 2008 12:34 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Idea of a voice mail application siaPeter Trapp ha scritto: Hi everybody, I thought about the possibility of a voice mail installed on the neo. The idea is to let the application decide if you are reachable for the caller or not. The decision will be done on profiles (time, who is calling, what to do (let it ring or answer directly) ). Eg: Saturday 10:00pm and your boss is calling (and you have a signal) Neo is aware that it is weekend and who is calling. It just turns on the voice mail... Dear Boss, actually it is weekend and I just don't want to get some work right now. Sorry, my neo will not even inform me that you've called. So don't try again later. It would not help until Monday 9am! Have a nice weekend --- without the possibility to leave a message ;) Cool, but your caller will pay for this.. So maybe it won't be so happy :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bootin from SD
Rewriting the u-boot is not /that/ dangerous. I don't have a debug board either and I've done it about 10 times now. Just make sure all your batteries have full power, and your USB cords are plugged in snugly, and don't trip onto your neo while doing it. On 2/29/08, Emre Turkay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Sorry for the previous digest reply..) On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Emre Turkay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, I don't have a debug board and I would prefer to not rewrite the uboot. The uboot on the device is the one intalled by FIC before I got it. It's from May.19.2007. From: Mike Montour [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:24:34 -0800 Subject: Re: Booting from SD Ortwin Regel wrote: The problem might be your u-boot version. Try this one: http://buildhost.automated.it/u-boot-good-for-sd-boot-r13_0_2632_0.bin It's what I've been using successfully. I never could get it to work with other u-boot versions I tried. SD-booting in u-boot was broken for several months but as of late January it is fixed (or at least worked-around; the root cause of the bug has not yet been identified). The link you posted will boot from SD, but it has other bugs that have been fixed in later versions. Regarding the original problem, it is likely related to the 2.6.24 kernel. The GTA01 SD-card driver was broken for a while. My understanding is that it is now functional, but that it is still configured to emit a large amount of debugging information. Things should work fine with a 2.6.22.5 kernel as long as you have the corresponding modules installed on your root filesystem. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FAX2PDF with OpenMoko?
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 12:02 PM, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 26 February 2008 17:46:28 Tilman Baumann wrote: Nils Faerber wrote: Fax is dead. yep, instead one should start to see printers with a built in mailing system so that one could assign a mail address to it, and have it auto-print said mail, complete with attachments of it came in pdf or odf... Or you know.. we could just use email, like we already do, and save the paper. -Nick ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Question for OpenMoko: can we please buy just a battery?
Okay, but let's not get distracted: can we *just* buy a battery? ((Some of us don't have skills with a soldering iron (yet).)) -Nick On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Kyle Bassett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can second this. I have used a similar design in some mobile handheld prototypes, holds up quite well! Much more efficient. -Kyle On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 5:13 AM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those with a soldering iron I can recommend mintyboost [1] Works great here, two AA batteries extend the life of the Neo for about two hours. As it is a dumb charger you need to manually activate fast charge, otherwise the Neo will only pull 100mA. Make sure you test the output voltage with a voltmeter before connecting it to the Neo for the first time. Mine gives perfect 5.02V. [1] http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/ On Wed, 2008-02-20 at 17:31 -0800, ian douglas wrote: I raised this question to Michael at SCALE 6x and wanted to publicly ask it as well but had forgotten until the latest list of messages on the device-users list about battery life times and charging. Is it possible to purchase *just* a battery from you guys? Thanks, Ian ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)
On Feb 8, 2008 4:04 AM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I've researched this a little, and this is what I've learned: 1. We are still looking at a number of different batteries, so there is no final capacity or feature set determined yet. 2. The capacity will most likely be around 1200mA. If you find any place on the wiki that says something other than 1200mA, can you please make the correction? You may reference this email. Oh. That's... really disappointing. The battery life is already unusable, and the faster processor and wifi will just make this even worse. -Nick ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New to OpenMoko
On 1/16/08, andy selby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16/01/2008, Wilkinson, Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, OpenMoko newb (waiting for FreeRunner release) - so bare with me. Why would I use Qtopia images as opposed to OpenMoko images ? I haven't flashed an openmoko image in a while so I'm not sure how easy it is to get it usable as a phone but qtopia worked straight away and.. *I like the UI *There is a gps app on qtopia *Usable with fingers (I lost my stylus) * ..Err help me out here Lorn Unfortunatly *there is no terminal *if it doesnt register to the network the phone stays locked When this happens to me I just reboot it and the next time it works (stays unregistered but I can use the apps). * battery life of ~ 5hours Isn't this a hardware problem? The max idling time is about 7 hours for the OpenMoko software; for actually using it as a phone, probably 5 hours. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New to OpenMoko
On 1/17/08, Barry Steele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks, I've flashed the rootfs and a new kernel. So then I got all excited and inserted my SIM into it and powered up. Turns out I should have read some more. My current phone (Nokia N80 - can I run openmoko on that?), is a 3G phone and it seems that the neo doesn't like it. I then stole one of my teams SIM and it fired up fine. I get a GSM signal but cant make phone calls. I am still finding my way around the phone. I noticed that the icons disappeared from the home page, anyway I'm off to investigate the machine. Sometimes they crash. Use Qtopia. One thing though cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 Only gives errors at present cu: open (/dev/ttyACM0): Permission denied cu: /dev/ttyACM0: Line in use cu is finicky. Do `chown uucp.uucp /dev/ttyACM0` My Linux systems skills obviously need honing. Anyway, I'll head off and study now. Stay well, Barry Michael Shiloh wrote: Welcome to OpenMoko, Barry! All you need to do is flash a new kernel and file system. Get the latest from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/ Good luck and let us know how it goes, Michael Barry Steele wrote: Hi, I just took delivery of a neo1973 (I'm in Australia btw, Sydney). I have inserted the microSD and SIM cards and booted the machine up. I get the boot logo and then Linux tries to start but I get the following: Kernel Panic- not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel While I have a fair bit of Linux experience, I have no idea how to connect to the machine or edit files or whatever. I am looking on the Openmoko site, but I would really appreciate any advice. I am very excited by this. Stay well, Barry ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Barry Steele hpfm solutions http://www.hpfm.com.au (o) +612 8206 1822 (f) +612 9929 3653 Stay Happy, Stay Well, get involved... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko will be at SVHMPC meeting TONIGHT in Menlo Park
On 1/16/08, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good question, Jeffrey, and you suggest a question that I'd like to ask you, the community: Why do you chose to develop on OpenMoko, rather than on Android? Or do you do both? (Beside the lack of Android hardware) Michael I could butter it up but it comes down to this: OpenMoko is disorganized but Google is Evil. In particular, the Android license http://code.google.com/android/terms.html does not sit well with me: 9.3 Google may at any time, terminate this License Agreement with you if: [...] (C) the partner with whom Google offered certain parts of SDK (such as APIs) to you has terminated its relationship with Google or ceased to offer certain parts of the SDK to you; or (D) Google decides to no longer providing the SDK or certain parts of the SDK to users in the country in which you are resident or from which you use the service, or the provision of the SDK or certain SDK services to you by Google is, in Google's sole discretion, no longer commercially viable. But that's just me -Nick ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NO VOICE WHEN USING VOIP IN QTOPIA
On 1/17/08, Mikael Lammentausta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/1/16, 左 国坤 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Lorn, I have tried alsactl -f /etc/alsa/capturehandset.state restore but no any improvement. can you please tell me when you release your improved snapshot? Regards. George - Original Message - 件名: RE: NO VOICE WHEN USING VOIP IN QTOPIA From: LORN POTTER [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ,LIST FOR OPENMOKO COMMUNITY DISCUSSION community@lists.openmoko.org 日付: 15-01-2008 10:39 am 左 国坤 wrote: Hi, all I am using VOIP by compile Qtopia 4.3.1 Open source for Neo1973 Phase1. I need your help to clear some problems. 1, Incoming call ringtone OK, Answer OK, Hold OK, But No VOICE from Caller, and vice versa. 2, Out Call Keeping with 'Dialing' status, NO Call Tone, No connection to the other end I am a newbie in using Qtopia, maybe something missed in setting when building. Nope. something is missing from Qtopia :) We are currently working on this, I think I will post a new snapshot image when voip is working. You man manually run alsactl -f /etc/alsa/capturehandset.state restore and try that. You can also try this: mount the qtopia image, insert this into /etc/init.d/qpe on line 64: alsactl -f /etc/gsmhandset.state restore Save the image to a jffs2 file and re-flash the device. I've no idea how this differs from the instructions you had earlier, but I don't think it hurts either. Worked for me. It's probably a timing issue tied to when the GSM chip is powered up. -Nick ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NO VOICE WHEN USING VOIP IN QTOPIA
2008/1/17 左 国坤 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Nick tks for your advice. Oh! Oh no, don't be thankful. It was totally a guess. I ONE HUNDRED PERCENT disclaim that I know about anything I'm talking about. Try what Mikael suggested first and report back. (btw you can edit qpe.sh onboard the neo, just ssh into it and use vi--there's no need to reflash the entire image) how can i kill the gsm function in software level? if using openmoko fw, the gsm can be turned down easily, but when using Qtopia, it seems no menu to kill gsm module or process. Maybe I have to do some configure before build Qtopia source, if it is, how to do it? I'll respond to this for the curiousity, not for giving actual helpful advice: I'm not sure. Maybe buried in Main Menu-Settings-Call Networks-GSM somewhere. Or maybe if you go into Home Screen-Options-Options-Airplane Safe Mode and out again. By the way, I am using a USB connection to internet via bridging host PC ethernet, but not GSM, when using VoIP. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: office
On Jan 15, 2008 5:45 PM, Tim Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone aware of any office apps being developed for openmoko. I'm not so much concerned with editing as I am viewing. Are there any lightweight office viewing apps that would be compatible with open office, and m$ office? None that I know of. My first guess would be a port of Abiword. -Nick ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FYI: Yahoo Go 3.0 (beta)
On Jan 14, 2008 3:32 AM, Gilles Casse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: XML-based widgets: http://mobile.yahoo.com/go I think... I don't understand. How are these XML based? Do you need a special app to run them or is XML based the new word for DHTML/AJAX (so, need a full webbrowser)? -Nick ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
On 1/11/08, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lon, Will from our office pointed me at these, but that was yesterday and apparently even more have appeared: http://gizmodo.com/341755/openmoko-neo-freerunner-linux-smartphone-hands+on http://takezero.net/3g-and-mobile-news/hands-on-with-fics-openmoko-powered-freerunner-2 http://youtube.com/watch?v=SZsps3bj6yE The comments are.. not so happy. :/ Oh well. We probably have a year to prove this thing to the world before it gets crushed and forgotten. -Nick ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: root
On Jan 10, 2008 2:58 PM, Denis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are user applications and GUI run as root? If yes, is it safe? What is the root password in OpenMoko, by the way? This has been noted, but it's not a top priority to fix it: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1074 http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=558 mickey Reflagging as enhancement. I agree it's a major potential problem, but not a bug. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo fast charge utility
On Jan 2, 2008 11:57 PM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Guenther wrote: Hijacking a bit: for the record, all thunder does is write fast_cccv or closed to /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgmode depending on what mode you want, and wrap that up in a nice OM GUI. Any hope for a qtopia version? I can make a script that switches to fast charge mode that will go in the devtools entry. Awesome. Can you have slow charge and no charge (I think that's the whole list, right?) options too? Where are devtools scripts stored? I tried find(1)ing a bit but failed. I was going to ask for a way to get to a terminal in QTopia (maybe a port of elsewhere), but if I can write a script and add it to devtools at will that might be just as good--better in some ways. -Nick ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
