Re: Project B guessing game was[ Re: Pat Meier (=public relation of Openmoko)]
Kosa wrote: I'm not sure if I can share this, but I KNOW what it is :) Sometime ago I clicked on the right (or wrong) place and I found images and even a video about it. I promissed Wolfgang I wouldn't tell, so I will not, but I can give some other hints :) It doesn't have one, but theree buttons. Wouldn't have been a video showing the fade rate of the LCD, would it? Heh, I made no such promises. :P -Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Paroli Testing (Was: Community Updates/February 20, 2009 released)
On Fri, February 20, 2009 05:32, Mirko Lindner wrote: - keep on fixing issues in MS2 - continue working towards MS3 - get the kbd to match paroli on the image - get messaging and contacts up and running as soon as possible to allow brave testers to use paroli daily ... any volunteers ? ;) No need to wait. I have been using Paroli as my daily phone software on FSO MS5 for almost 2 weeks. It has been extremely stable. A bunch of functionality is not there yet but the one basic thing that has just worked is as a phone. Dialing works, answering works, ringing works. I was updating from GIT daily until a couple of days ago when the package in unstable became available. I checked last night and the most recent package was up to the very last commit in GIT so that synchronization is working well. And again if anyone is interested in helping out with paroli, contribute code or test or or or ... Let us know! I am interested in helping out with the project initially as a tester but with code in the future as I figure this is a good excuse to learn python. I haven't to date as there was nothing approachable or interesting enough. The first thing I want to look at is the scrolling of contacts and messages. Currently, trying to capture the thumb on the scroll bar is exceedingly tedious. It will likely take me a couple of weeks to get productive as I fit this in with the rest of my work and life. Cheers Scott Petersen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacement Battery with 2300mAh, possible?
On Mon, January 19, 2009 14:54, Daniel Spies wrote: I was search for a more powerful battery and found [1]. It seems this would match in the slot of the FR, but I wanted to make sure if I can apply such a battery without killing the hardware. If I understand right this battery should give me almost doubled uptime, right? Cheers, Daniel [1] http://www.amazon.de/Power-Handy-Baugleich-BL-5C- BL5C/dp/B001AP27Y6/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8s=ce-deqid=1232405231sr=1-7 (sorry, it's German, I was searching for a equivalent item on amazon.com, but without success) Briefly discussed back in april. (Google search terms bl-5c 2300mAh, second link) http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg15367.html Cheers Scott Petersen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FBReader now working on the FreeRunner
Michael Sheldon wrote: Hi Yarik, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: Hey Michael! You are my today's hero! ;-) Thanks! Would it be not too much to ask from you to do the same for the latest release of fbreader (0.8.17[1]) instead of elderly 0.8.2 which we have now? [1] http://www.fbreader.org/fbreader-sources-0.8.17.tgz I'll see if I can make a working bitbake recipe for 0.8.17 when I next get some free time; I haven't fiddled with bitbake much, so thought it'd be simplest to just work with the version that was already packaged. Cheers, Mike. You ROCK! Your updates to FBReader look fantastic and work flawlessly. I was wanting to have a good reader for the Openmoko for some time. I tried out FBreader but found that the line spacing is fubar. I started learning about crosscompiling, mokomakefile, toolchain, bitbake, openembedded, openmoko, angstrom etc., trying to make sense of how to develop for Openmoko but hadn't been successful yet. You will find that the line spacing issue has been resolved in more recent builds. (Can't remember off hand which one.) In the meantime I am going to enjoy your version. Thanks much. Scott Petersen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Feed updates
On Mon, August 11, 2008 09:51, Julian Chu wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 02:15:20PM +0200, Norbert Hartl wrote: Since the release of Om2008.8 there were IMHO no further updates over the feeds. Is this caused by the hard-earned rest of the exhausted developers or has development switched to a dev branch/feed? Norbert Hi Norbert, We will keep update the feeds to bring the bug fix :-) Best Regards. -Ju1ian Could you tell us how these bug updates will be published? I had to manually download and flash a more recent kernel because of the bug with charging. There are other fixes that are making me think to switch back to the buildhost feeds. The only thing stopping me is that I have seen information (wiki in particular) that make it unclear if buildhost builds are up to date and related to 2008.8. Cheers Scott Petersen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
networking issues
my resolv.conf is blank every time I boot up? I manually set it via ssh through the usb connection. sync. reboot the phone and its blank?? Is there any wifi application available that will detect and connect available networks? Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Where is it?
I used the spiffy new installer to install xterm. The install went without any errors. Where is it? Its not on the main page? Its listed in the uninstall list of the installer? Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Battery Charger on usb kaput on 2008.8?
Ever since I installed 2008.8 my battery meter on teh phone showed the lightning bolt whether it was plugged in or not. I wondered, hmmm.. I hope its charging since we all know the neo will drain your battery beyond dead and thanks to a great design will then not be able to charge it... Well, having the phone sitting plugged into my usb port for a couple hours it went dead! USB always charged it before on the 2007 and qtopia releases! there are only so many fubar hurdles a person can take before capitulation. Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery Charger on usb kaput on 2008.8?
nope I looked, battery dying while plugged into laptop usb has not been reported. arne anka wrote: see support. has been reported already icl a trac entry. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Battery Charge Solution(Not)
I attempted to install the two solutions to the Neo FreeRunner not charging when connected to a laptop or car charger. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Forcing_fast_charge_mode Even though both sources can easily handle a 500ma charge. The first one that is packaged up http://hdr.meetr.de/neo/openmoko/battery/battery_0.20080721_armv4t.ipk I installed but no icon on the desktop. It installed a desktop file and icon file in the correct place but nothing is displayed. I attempted to try to run the program in a terminal window but the keyboard is ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS! Thats just an exercise in frustration. I installed the Power Center solution copy Power Center into /usr/bin and chmod u+x /usr/bin/power_center copy Power Center Desktop fileinto /usr/share/applications but it crashes when you run it. If I can't charge the phone with a car charger or computer usb port its worthless. Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery Charger on usb kaput on 2008.8?
The only defect I found on the trac is about no indication of charging when phone is off. And its listed as an enhancement? My problem with the 2008.8 is two fold and not that. 1.) it always shows it charging, there is no indication of battery level ever. You never know where the battery level is? For a battery powered device, thats bad. 2.) It does not charge connected to my laptop. Scott Scott wrote: nope I looked, battery dying while plugged into laptop usb has not been reported. arne anka wrote: see support. has been reported already icl a trac entry. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery Charger on usb kaput on 2008.8?
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2008 WTF??
Well I installed the 2008.8 even though the bug list had 4 or 5 items that basically rendered the phone useless. Booting up... Could it be any more confusing?? First the OM screen, then the standard linux text scrolling, then the boots, then blank, then the boots again, then some more text, then blank again??? WTF over? Can't we have just one damn boot screen? When you finally get something resembling a GUI it looks pretty cool. As somebody said nice eye candy. Why is it so slow now? Everything takes forever? Why won't it wake up from sleeping? tap the screen nothing? Press the aux button nothing? Press the main button nothing?? Then all of a sudden on its own, it makes a popping noise and the screen is back to life? WTF over? It shut down on me twice, all on its own? WTF? Where's the terminal? Where's the power settings? The battery icon always shows charging, whether its plugged in or not? Is it charging, how do I know? The GSM icon no longer responds to a tap? It used to bring up a little dialog that showed the current status? and whats with the funky + and * symbols at the bottom of the screen that don't do anything? Why does it keep waking up every 30 seconds or so? whats with the stupid keyboard? Does anybody think its remotely usable? WTF? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SD Card Fix Fubar
yes Francesco Cat wrote: have you tried a different SD before sending it?? 2008/8/3 Scott Derrick [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well I think I screwed my SD card reader trying to solder on the GPS fix. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM detection/identification
Paul, Sounds like what you want is to run the GSM radio in promiscuous mode, like some wireless Ethernet radios can do. My old Razr and the Iphone would do something like that. It won't tell you the carrier but it will list the available sites, with their ID and signal strength. There is a web page with all the site id's on it connected to google maps. Can't remember the address off the top of my head. If you could mash up the site ID's gathered from your phone to the web site Scott There might be an AT command to do just that. On my old razr Paul Buede wrote: Paul Buede wrote: Matt Joyce wrote: The wiki has some interesting info on GSM : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsm The AT commands to interact with the hardware are here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AT_Commands (I wonder if they are an extension of the earlier dial up modem commands ala Hayes?) here's how you use the commands: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd#Usage_of_shell_mode these command may work for you : r Register to network R Register to given operator (R=number) U Unregister from netowrk P Print current operator N Print current operator in numeric L List available operators Q Read signal quality nr Query network registration As I mentioned, I wanted to find all contactable sites, but didn't find a command for that. That was a huge help. What I need now is a way to pass commands from the cli and have it return values to the cli rather than operating in the shell. So then I can write a script to do it and log to a file. I want it to run while I drive around, so I don't have to stop on tap on the tiny keyboard. Any suggestions? I was able to do the following today, from home: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/log# libgsmd-tool -m shell libgsm-tool - (C) 2006-2007 by Harald Welte and OpenMoko, Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY L # # List operators 31026 T - Mobile, T - Mob for short, is our current operator 31056 Cellular One DC, Cell On for short, is available 31041 Cingular, Cingula for short, is available So, I drove around and stopped, and everytime I had any reception at all, meaning the L gave me any carriers, it gave me the same three carriers. This modifies my initial theory, and leads to a new one. So, my new theory is that the SIM card is what allows the phone to see any carriers at all. And that the three operators I could see in my tests must all allow roaming on each others networks, which is why my T-Mobile SIM lets me see only those three. I should be able to see Verizon, US Cellular, and who knows what other operators from some of the places I tested, including my house. So, right now, I took the SIM card out, rebooted my phone, and am testing to see if I can see any carriers at all (doing this from home), and I see no carriers at all. In fact, here is the output: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# libgsmd-tool -m shell libgsm-tool - (C) 2006-2007 by Harald Welte and OpenMoko, Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY # cme error: 315 L # List operators Q # Signal strength EVENT: Netreg registration denied cme error: 32 EVENT: Signal Quality: 11 Signal quality -91 dBm Error rate undetectable EVENT: Signal Quality: 9 EVENT: Signal Quality: 11 EVENT: Signal Quality: 9 EVENT: Signal Quality: 11 EVENT: Signal Quality: 9 EVENT: Signal Quality: 11 # L List operators cme error: 13 So, I am disappointed. I am going to need SIM cards from other operators to test reception anywhere. This makes things harder, or at least slower, as I will have to remove SIM cards and insert new ones at any given area to test the various carriers. Does anyone else in the US use a carrier I have not listed as visible with T-Mobile? And would you be willing to test and see what other carriers you are able to see? Maybe we can build a list of carrier teams, for lack of a better term. I have 6 days left to back out of my TMobile contract, so I need to get SIM cards for testing quickly... Will let you all know how it goes. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SDcard holder - convenience rework
Nice idea, I wonder how long before the scotch tape becomes brittle from the heat inside there? It really is a PITA getting that card in and out. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GSM Stuff
I got the GSM external antenna adapter from DigiKey http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=490-4982-ND Fits perfectly in the phone, had to order an adapter though as the other end is an SMA-J female and I needed to connect to a TNC male. Also got the caps for the SD card rework, Jesus are they tiny! I'm gonna get out my magnifying glass and set one up to evaluate if I think I can solder that grain of sand sized unit or not! I guess its sized so it won't interfere with the card. Scott signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
SD Card Fix Fubar
Well I think I screwed my SD card reader trying to solder on the GPS fix. I got the cap soldered on, slamed in an sd card and fired it up. No card. Nothing mounted at /media/card and doing a manual mount produced the error mount: special device /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not exist BUMMER! So pulled the card out, got out the big magnifier and there was a solder spec between pin 6 and 7! *hit! I unsoldered the cap, sucked and scraped all the solder out. Metered between all the pins to verify no shorts( I know I should have done that first). Put the card back in and no joy.. nada.. Not sure how to proceed now. Is Openmoko going to be taking FR's back for repairs? Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner not charging?
Marcel MadJo de Jong wrote: Hello all, However, when I unplugged it this morning, after a few seconds being green, the battery icon became red. Which led me to believe that it wasn't charged. So I left it at home, tethered to the wallcharger. Same thing happened to me yesterday, I have the latest stable 2007.2 installed. Haven't touched uboot. FR was on a 500ma charger all night. While driving to Albuquerque, I turned it on verified it was booting and set it down while it booted. Picked it up 5 minutes later and it was off? Thats odd I thought? Then it wouldn't turn on. I plugged it into my car charger and it started to boot, hmmm Set it down for 15 seconds and it was off again!! Now it wouldn't boot on the car charger! shit! Got home, plugged it into the wall charger and it turned on and booted up! WHew!!! Batter icon showed low red level. I charged it for a few hours and it then showed full I have noticed that sometimes when I plug it in the icon doesn't change to the lightning bolt! Stays green. Why is that? Update problem? Scott signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner not charging?
Russell Sears wrote: You're hitting a bug that has been fixed in the newest kernel release: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1158 So I can get the latest kernel with ASU, FSO, Qtopia, 2007.2??? Scott signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko on Design
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 7/30/08 Daniel Benoy wrote: Also, would the openmoko design team be willing to consider a toggle in the configuration menu between manual and automatic? What we want is for people to add their own configuration options to menus in the form of packages installable from the Installer. This is why we remove functionality. So we can focus on how to make sure our products are extensible. This seems like a bullshit answer to me. Taking functionality away doesn't improve the FR. It makes it less useful. Are you guys deaf or something? Haven't you hear the screams from the people who plonked down their cold hard cash for your product about this reduction in functionality? Or are you just so damn arrogant you think its your way or the highway? If the functionality was there and you felt it should be an option, YOU should have made it one! But thats not what you did. You made it difficult for a programmer to temporarily bring it back, and no way to make it a user selectable option. bah!! Scott signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: external GSM antenna
Joerg, You realize the MXHS83QE3000 is $69 !!! For a itsy bitty connector? Scott Joerg Reisenweber wrote: The GSM-connector to be found near one of the screws (see [disassembling Neo 1973] in wiki) is: MURATA MM8430-2610RB3 SMD RF TEST PORT For a nice fitting adapter see attached photo and: http://www.google.de/search?q=MXHS83QE3000 Sorry folks, didn't find a page to add this to wiki. Hope someone else will... ;-) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: external GSM antenna
I found another source than Mouser @ $69, who is also out of stock. Digikey sells 10 for $32 and Futures sells 10 for $29. 10 is the min package size. I put the links on the wiki page. I think I'll buy a package of 10 and keep two, hopefully I can sell the rest here at cost. thanks Joerg! Scott signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: external GSM antenna
I was wrong the price is for one. $32 or $29 Scott signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Flash ASU
Why do the latest ASU folders not have the kernel or root file system files? Scott signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [openmoko-announce] Openmoko on Design
I have to agree with Kalle Jay, While i part of me would like to see a nailed down platform with a clear definition of tools, UI standards, platform support, documentation standards(one I've been yelling about recently) I also understand OM's struggle to produce a viable open source product in record time. I hope we can all agree to disagree and take the constructive criticism for what it is, constructive I am heartened by Sean's statement about OM's mission and their determination to get it right. I'm also happy to see this open discussion among knowledgeable people who are in the trenches and getting it done. Rock on Neo! Scott Kalle Happonen wrote: Nkoli wrote: Jay, your negative posts on this ML do nothing but foster an unpleasant atmosphere Actually I disagree a bit here. Jay is not trolling but just saying Kalle signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko on Design
Charles, While that is a means of bringing the keyboard button back, thats just too damn hard! And I have to do that all over again if I upgrade! Needs to be a simple configuration setting. Scott Charles-Henri Gros wrote: You mean like this? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Keyboard_Toggle signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WIKI still a POS
A phone without usable documentation is a door stop. Scott Robert Schuster wrote: I was under the impression that OpenMoko is a company about selling a mobile phone not a community Wiki ... Regards Robert signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sound
On Tue, July 29, 2008 08:53, Pawel Kowalak wrote: On Jul 29, 2008, at 2:33 PM, William Kenworthy wrote: I had the same issue and found that mwester had a solution has worked for me for a while now. http://moko.mwester.net/fixes.html I still have suspend resume issues but this works most of the time. Sound came back the next wakeup and no problems since. A bonus is the whole FR seems more stable. Unfortunately there's no GPS/SD fix in this kernel: uImage_2008_07_16_gta02_73eeb0333fc771cb696ff9bf17c517c741434b59.bin I can't get fix since installed this kernel. But suspend / resume works great :) Sorry I should have mentioned this. You do not need to use mwester's kernel. I am running a much more recent kernel from buildhost.openmoko.org (July 26 I believe) and it works fine. The GPS also works very well. You just have to have the pactl tool and the two scripts that mwester mentionis on his page. Cheers Scott Petersen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Warranty after fix for GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue
From everything I've heard a software only fix will not be enough. Unless you ditch your sd card as a data store. All new FR's have the HW fix and new software will be written to take advantage of that HW platform. The software fix alone allows you to get a fast TTFF but after that, sd card data transfers are just to noisy to maintain a high quality GPS data stream. Yes it works but poorly, which is better than not at all. I have two Fr's, once I get the caps(this week). I'll do the HW fix on one, install the software fix on both, and do a side by side comparison. Does the Qtopia distro have the GPS fix and GPS software? If not is there a GPS package I can install on Qtopia? Scott steve wrote: Start with the software fix. It should slove the problem. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Annie Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 3:01 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Warranty after fix for GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue what impact, if any, will there be on the warranty of the FR device once the fix has been carried out ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM detection/identification
Paul, I inexperience the same behavior on the ATT(850 1900) network. When the signal drops below a certain level on the left is says registering on the right the signal icon indicates some bogus value.. I think there is an update issue with the icon, and the message for no service, registering.. doesn't make a lot of sense either. If you bring up the gsm/status dialog sometimes it will provide a saner reason for no connection, but then sometimes its message is bogus to.. Scott ian douglas wrote: Paul Buede wrote: the coverage isn't great in the rural areas I find myself. When driving around, if out of reach of tmobile, it will say registering as if there is no sim card. But, on the little image of the antenna, that shows how strong my connection is, I still have 2 bars. Is that a bad guage of connectivity? As far as I recall, TMobile only uses the higher-frequency band, (1800 or 1900? I can never remember), and probably won't drop down to the 850MHz band unless they've signed an agreement with ATT to piggyback on their lower-frequency network in the rural areas where you've been. -id signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
WIKI still a POS
The OM Wiki is still a prime example of 'How not to do a Wiki. a few easy example on the main page. 1.) On the main page is a link for Test cases, Why is this on the main page? Its useless to 90% of the users and should be under Development. 2.) There is a Software link that leads you the Developer Guide??? WTF? 3.) There is a Hardware link and the 1973 FR links. Why? Both the 1973 Fr pages have their respective hardware links on their pages. Its a classic misdirection. It looks like Openmoko wants the Neo to fail, because if the main source for information on how to operate the phone is this WIki, its doomed. Isn't there supposed to be some new Wiki Editor force around that was going to fix things? Scott signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WIKI still a POS
Vinc, I agree there have been some improvements. But the main page is still really broken! I would love to see this project succeed beyond the usual Only for Geeks Linix/OS project. They way it is now the state of the documentation for a normal user is a guarantees it is doomed to be a very very small niche product at best. Every time I go to the wiki for new info it is a painful and frustrating process. Yes if I am going to reread something I already know is there its not bad, but ferreting out new information is not easy. Scott Vinc Duran wrote: You should know it's improved significantly over the last couple weeks. To me it seems the Getting Started page in particular has been much improved. (That's where I've spent most of my time.) On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 7:11 AM, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The OM Wiki is still a prime example of 'How not to do a Wiki. a few easy example on the main page. 1.) On the main page is a link for Test cases, Why is this on the main page? Its useless to 90% of the users and should be under Development. 2.) There is a Software link that leads you the Developer Guide??? WTF? 3.) There is a Hardware link and the 1973 FR links. Why? Both the 1973 Fr pages have their respective hardware links on their pages. Its a classic misdirection. It looks like Openmoko wants the Neo to fail, because if the main source for information on how to operate the phone is this WIki, its doomed. Isn't there supposed to be some new Wiki Editor force around that was going to fix things? Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WIKI still a POS
Sean, OK, I'll hop off the box for now. And thanks for letting us know you folks are aware of the problem and working on it. Scott Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 7/28/08 Scott Derrick wrote: I agree there have been some improvements. But the main page is still really broken! I would love to see this project succeed beyond the usual Only for Geeks Linix/OS project. They way it is now the state of the documentation for a normal user is a guarantees it is doomed to be a very very small niche product at best. Every time I go to the wiki for new info it is a painful and frustrating process. Yes if I am going to reread something I already know is there its not bad, but ferreting out new information is not easy. Please give us a bit more time. We're having lots and LOTS of internal discussions on how to make our Wiki better. We know the quality is not what we all want. Brenda (and crew) will be talking with everyone a lot more in the coming weeks of our plans to get/integrate your feedback. I'm 100% confident we can get there. -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sound
W.Kenworthy wrote: Certainly sounds like the same problem. BillK On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 21:14 -0500, Steven ** wrote: Do you have it set to dim, then lock? In my experience, a suspend kills sound out of the speaker. Making a call seems to restore the sound. Others have found that rebooting (or just restarting X) restores sound. There's a thread on the support list about this. Perhaps you're seeing the same thing. -Steven On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 8:34 PM, W.Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ive just realised that I have never heard my OM ring, or make a sound when an sms comes in just vibrate. The annoying 'tick' on the keyboard comes and goes (mostly is gone thank goodness :) Is this normal? - shouldnt think so! I had the same issue and found that mwester had a solution has worked for me for a while now. http://moko.mwester.net/fixes.html I still have suspend resume issues but this works most of the time. Cheers Scott Petersen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
ready to flash
Been playing with my FR for a couple days now. I'm using an ATT Pay as you Go Sim, and it appears to work fine. Though if I go into an area of no coverage, which are plentiful in western New Mexico the top bar says Registering, the GSM status dialog either says No Service or Invalid Registration? Once I move back in coverage it eventually reconnects and says ATT in the upper left. The GSM icon in the upper left must update really slowly cause it lies a lot about the signal strength. Couple questions. 1.) I would like to back up my existing kernel file system. Seems some are having a problem using dif-util. Is this isolated or everybody? Has any body used partimage and successfully backed up and restored? 2.) Trying to decide which distro to use is really really hard! Does ASU have everything Qtopia has? Is ASU always as broken as the list makes it sound? Which has the best qwerty keyboard that is finger friendly? What is scardy-cat? thanks, Scott Oh, everybody I call says there is an echo on my voice and they can here themselves. I've heard numerous mentions of this problem. Has anybody come up with an audio configuration that doesn't do this? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Firewall blocks USB ethernet
I finally have my FR's, WH! Got USB networking set up but I have to shutdown my firewall to get it to work? I'm using Ubuntu Hardy, and Firestarter as the firewall iptable mananger. Anybody know of a How-to that can tell me how to setup my system to allow usb networking through the firewall? Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS success: updated default software stack with no antenna
Sounds like both fixes are needed for optimal GPS reception. Would be nice to see two fr's side by side, both with the software fix, and one with the cap added competing with each other. Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM Antenna Connector part of Closed System?
Vinc, I know its the same connector as on a Razr or Motorola C168i, so I think its the same that Motorola uses. The problem is the way the inner case is designed I can't get the Razr connector on it. It has to reach really deep to reach the FR's connector. So I don't know which one to order? Now the engineers at OpenMoko surely designed the inner case case around some existing connector right? If I knew what other phone had that kind of deep recess I could order the adapter. The plug has to reach a good 1/4 inch though the inner case to fit onto the connector. If you take the back cover off, look near the GSM antenna, you can see tow recessed screws, next to one of the screws is the external GSM antenna connector. Scott signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External GSM Antenna Connector
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Re: GPS software fix, just CRUFT?
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Am Di 22. Juli 2008 schrieb Scott Derrick: With the GPS hardware fix done(10pf cap installed) are the software changes to the kernel/modules just added cruft? IE. do they add anything useful? SW is definitely better than C, it works on data-rails as well. Those might spill GPS during access even while the clock is fixed by a C. /jOERG Can somebody translate this? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS software fix, just CRUFT?
Benedikt Schindler wrote: Scott Derrick schrieb: IE. do they add anything useful? Scott i think turning off an clock that isn't needed, is always a good thing. power saving rules. ... greenpeace-energy rules (just in germany as far as i know)... :) ... o yeah and OM rules Yes, that is a good thing.. Scott signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GSM Antenna Connector part of Closed System?
I can find the (don't say it) IPhone connection specs on the apple site! I can find any Motorola phone connections specs on the Motorola site. But not OpenMoko. Doesn't anybody at OpenMoko know what the internal GSM antenna connector is? And why wouldn't something as basic as a connector list be on the WIKI? Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Official Openmoko Forums
I'm using an email list -to- news group redirector news.gmane.org just point your news reader at it and select the appropriate openmoko list. works great! No more 300-400 emails clobbering me everyday. Scott signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
External GSM Antenna Connector
Anybody know what the connector type is for connecting an external GSM antenna? I've searched the wiki multiple times to no avail. Scott signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue
I use electronic silver solder, 62/36/2 62% tin, 36% lead, 2% silver 44 flux, dia 0.5mm made by Kester with all that lead maybe its not available in the EU? Kester makes a lead free equivalent. here's a lead free equivalent in a small package. http://www.shopatron.com/product/part_number=5831/135.0 Scott Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: could anyone recommend a nice solder for such kind of work? (haven't bothered to buy one in the states... in ukraine at the university was using whatever was given ;-)) On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Tim Schmidt wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:35 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Give people a free repair kit? 2. work with distributors to do repair. 3. Host repair PARTIES! Woo hoo. Bring your own soldering iron. BYOSI Personally, a kit would work for me. I have fine pitch solder and a nice iron, but not enough SMT parts to have that cap on hand (or easily aquired). I suspect others might not be so lucky though. --tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?
Its hard to believe the distro doesn't come pre-configured with settings that don't produce echo, very low volume, interference? Scott Cédric Berger wrote: People I had on the phone never complained about echo. When I asked, they said there was none. But they often complained about volume level too low... and maybe that's why there was no echo... (and they also complained about interference noise, which I heard too) I need to make more calls and change my volume settings to know more... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches
does it say what the two settings actually do? Scott Chris wrote: Andy Green wrote: Just a heads-up there is also another relevant patch on stable tonight. ~ It gives another interesting knob to twiddle about GPS performance. http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d04b142ffeaa15129f046751f1366b0f0614f47 I did some tests with the new settings. My observations are based on the signal strength output in AGPS-UI. sd_idleclk=1 and sd_drive=2: The strength of the gps-signal rapidly goes down, then I loose the fix on my window. sd_idleclk=1 and sd_drive=0: I can't see a weakening of the gps-signal. Signal strength seems as good as with sd_idleclk=0. I copied some (big) files to and from the card, none were corrupted, all md5-sums were identical. I'm using a sandisk 4GB SDHC card. Thanks for the great work. -Chris ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?
Come on! Blame the telcos for the Neo echo!! Thats stretching it. I've had numerous phones and about 4 different providers and NEVER had any repeatable echo, NEVER. I say repeatable, since I can remember maybe 5 calls in the last 10 years when I got a bad connection, and I live in the Tullies, where there was distortion. I hung up, dialed again and it was gone. Never a repeatable event. Its the phone, period. Whether its bad hardware design, bad software design or improper combination of settings is is to be determined. Scott signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rules based policy engine
If GPS position is going to be a phone answering rule you would have to have the GPS sub system running all the time. It can't wake from sleep and acquire a position soon enough go be part of the decision. Not sure what that will do to battery life. Scot signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rules based policy engine
I thought about it awhile and decided that you could have the GPS engine get a fix every 5 minutes or some user adjustable time frame and use the last known fix. 99% of the time it would probably be close enough. Scott matt joyce wrote: Scott Derrick wrote: If GPS position is going to be a phone answering rule you would have to have the GPS sub system running all the time. It can't wake from sleep and acquire a position soon enough go be part of the decision. Not sure what that will do to battery life. Scot That's a valid point. However, if a GPS dependant rule cannot get a fix (because it's off) in a timely fashion, the rule fails. -- The only security of all is in a free press. The force of public opinion cannot be resisted when permitted freely to be expressed. The agitation it produces must be submitted to. It is necessary, to keep the waters pure. Thomas Jefferson to Lafayette, 1823. ME 15:491 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rules based policy engine
Problem there is the rule based engine is trying to decide to answer the call, put it to voice mail, vibrate, ring loud, etc... Waiting 30-60 seconds for a cold start fix from the GPS is too long. Scott matt joyce wrote: Or, perhaps use GSM triangulation to trigger GSP fix acquisition. Scott Derrick wrote: I thought about it awhile and decided that you could have the GPS engine get a fix every 5 minutes or some user adjustable time frame and use the last known fix. 99% of the time it would probably be close enough. -- The only security of all is in a free press. The force of public opinion cannot be resisted when permitted freely to be expressed. The agitation it produces must be submitted to. It is necessary, to keep the waters pure. Thomas Jefferson to Lafayette, 1823. ME 15:491 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Terminal for ASU
Is it just my inability to find things or is there truly no terminal application for ASU in the standard repositories? Does anybody have any recommendations for a terminal for ASU? I tried to get openmoko-terminal2 to run but it crashes every time. Cheer Scott Petersen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: suspend and immediate wake-up
Ole Kliemann wrote: On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 11:35:23AM +0200, julien cubizolles wrote: Le vendredi 18 juillet 2008 à 13:39 +0100, Al Johnson a écrit : It's getting woken by a message from the GSM. Mine does it on reregistration at variable intervals, maybe 3 times an hour. If it happens much more often it's worth reporting. I've not properly measured how frequently it does it but for me it's very often less than 5 seconds after it goes to suspend mode... Is there a message in dmesg that indicates the waking is indeed due to reregistration ? I have a log saved I could check. I can confirm this. I haven't run exhaustive tests, but almost whenever I tried the FR woke up just seconds later. That was using GTK branch. I can't test this further right now as I moved to ASU. I can also confirm a very quick return from suspend. It usually wakes up within 10 to 40 seconds with only 2 attempts (out of several hundred over the course of 2 days) that stayed in sleep longer. These two attempts stayed in sleep for at least 1 hour after which I woke it up. If it means anything I am using the July 18th build of the kernel and 2007.2. Cheers Scott Petersen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reply above Quotation
Hows that? Derick Rethans wrote: On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, enaut wrote: What would help here is if the signature was prepended with -- + new line. For some reason mailman's defaults don't this. If that -- would be there most clients simply strip off the signature. It would be great if that change could be made. regards, Derick -- - Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. George Bernard Shaw, Liberty signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue
This is great news. First thing I will do as soon as my FR arrives. Thanks for the lightning fast response. Scott Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote: Dear Community: For GTA02 SD card interference GPS issue, our hardware team provide a hardware fix/workaround for this coexistence bug. Sorry post it late, because we have to make sure this fix works and don't have side effects. Here is the fix: http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02_gps_10pf_rework_sop.pdf This fix could give almost same performance with SD card out of case. But this work still not suggest do by yourself, also, this fix need proper size capacitor (10 pf with 0402 package), and some solder technique. We saw people ask about service issues of Openmoko devices, and we are working on it. Our sales discussing with our distributor about proper services model, but do not have consensus yet, I will keep update it. Thanks, Tony Tu Openmoko, Inc. Support ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Split the List was Re: Battery Lifetime
I agree, I think it should be split, its getting out of hand. Hardware Software Applications Software Kernel/Boot Administrator etc Scott Pomeroy Lab wrote: I'm thinking of getting out of this mailing list because it fills up my inbox each day. Can someone please create a forum instead. I've been part of a lot of mailing lists and this one is too much. */Mathieu Rochette [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Carsten has started on a daemon to handle wakes in userspace that should eventually parse this and figure out if it can go back to suspend silently once the wake reason was serviced. should it be possible to disable a reason prior to suspend? eg: echo 0 /sys/somewhere/reasons/touch_screen maybe there will still be some case that can't be handled (eg: don't annoy me for 2 hours) but I think that could cover mosts. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Those willing to give up a little liberty for a little security deserve neither security nor liberty. Benjamin Franklin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Reply above Quotation
If your going to quote the email your replying to, please reply above the quotation. Its hard enough wading through 300 emails a day without having to page down to see the reply. Scott -- - Those willing to give up a little liberty for a little security deserve neither security nor liberty. Benjamin Franklin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Wiki Index was Re: Wiki editors
It appears that th index is already out of date. I was just looking at this locker program http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Quicksand#zedlock looked under software and Nada! Are we aware it is out of date? How many other pages aren't listed? This is a big problem Scott BrendaWang wrote: I am wiki full time editor now. Here is the what I done these month. 1. Openmoko wiki system is Media wiki 1.2, since we upgrade our wiki system, month ago , I start to ask our IT put the extension on wiki. For example, category tree extension. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree Now , everyone can use the tag, like this categorytree mode=pagesCategory name/categorytree 2.About read wiki offline (dump), actually , I already ask our IT do this since 4, July. I will push them. This function is very useful . 3. I would like to put the Youtube extension , then we can see the video on wiki. I would like to know if this useful ? Personal opinion , I like to have this. 4. I admit that , to the beginner , it is not easy to know how much useful page , they can find on wiki . So, I make a page name Openmoko official Index page. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Wiki_Official_Index_Page 5. Then , I classify every pages of wiki , put the category on them, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Wiki_Categories_Index_Page 6.It's great that have many people help me to maintain wiki page. In fact , Too many page, hard to verify if this page is out of date? Even , I use google analytic , it just can tell which page is popular , but can't tell if the content is correct or not. I plan to put the rating function on wiki. Perhape it can help many people who visit wiki , know how other people think this page is useful or not. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:JSKitRating 7.I would like to have a page like for developer, everyone who is the beginner , want to join and develop software, and use this page to get every material they want . It just like a book , and has catalog like this: Part I Choose your software develop tool Part III Running your program Part IV Program sharing Part V Install Part VI Tools used on Openmoko Here is the page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_developer_guide Actually , 6,7 is my plan now, have more people edit the wiki page, make content become more correct and useful , will be great help . Brenda. ian douglas ??: Michael Shiloh wrote: I will help support you in any way I can. Yes, we can absolutely set up a mailing list for you to coordinate amongst yourselves. I will also make myself more immediately available to the wiki editors, so that questions can be answered as rapidly as possible. Hiya Michael, Quick question: what exactly is Brenda's role? http://openmoko.markmail.org/search/?q=brenda#query:brenda%20date%3A200802%20+page:1+mid:cancdihaeug2s7x2+state:results This leads me to believe it's Brenda's full-time job (as in, employment), to be the wiki editor, organize the articles, etc., so we certainly would value her insights and opinions. We certainly aren't trying to muscle in on her territory, but just willing to lend a hand to what is a daunting, gigantic challenge of finding and editing a LOT of information. Secondly, Michael can you coordinate with whoever is in charge of the wiki software to include the plugin I mentioned last night: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DumpHTML One of my own agenda points as a wiki editor is to get an offline-capable version of the wiki available for download to install on the SD card -- perhaps we could even build it up as an opkg documentation bundle or something. That'd be slick, with opkg update opkg upgrade being able to upgrade the documentation on the phone. Wiki editors, do you have a request for the list name? How about openmoko-wiki-editors? Since openmoko is already in the domain name, perhaps just [EMAIL PROTECTED] would be sufficient? -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - The only security of all is in a free press. The force of public opinion cannot be resisted when permitted freely to be expressed. The agitation it produces must be submitted to. It is necessary, to keep the waters pure. Thomas Jefferson to Lafayette, 1823. ME 15:491 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki search
Can the search provide alternate spellings like google does? Showing the spellings that would provide a hit? This would be very helpful for those spelling challenged among us. Scott Sven Klomp wrote: Dear Brenda, please modify the configuration of the Openmoko wiki, so queries with less than four letters can be found. It might be helpful with all the abbreviations like ASU, FSO, SHR :-) Thanks Sven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ears and FR
It would make sense to me to lock it automatically when you seize a call and have some unlock mechanism, be a slider or (Z)edlock if you need to access the screen. Simple and idiot proof. Scott Jeffrey Malone wrote: I think you're way over thinking this matter to seriously consider the accelerometers as an option. Sure, it sounds great... but add in practicality. So when the phone is vertical, it locks the screen and dims it? What if I'm in a call, and bend over to pick up something off the floor? Or if my movements are such that I don't keep it quite vertical? And something that learns my habits? Would that not just be a very difficult thing to implement, and an extremely annoying thing to teach it? Simple solutions are the best and most reliable. A slider is the best choice, as it is reliable, intuitive and relatively simple. Jeffrey On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 17 July 2008, Hans L wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:31 PM, AVee [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That should be fairly doable if I understand the accelerometer stuff correctly. During a call the phone should be unlocked when its horizontal or vertical. Any other angle probably means your holding it against your ear... I don't think it will be that simple. If I pick up my cellphone and hold it in a natural position in front of me(as if i were about to press a button to hang up), it is neither completely vertical nor horizontal. Making assumptions about orientation of a phone when held against someone's ear, versus how they hold it in their hands might not work well in all cases. You can always have a calibration routine - hold in front and press button, hold to ear for 5 seconds then back to in front. Besides you can always add an override. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - The only security of all is in a free press. The force of public opinion cannot be resisted when permitted freely to be expressed. The agitation it produces must be submitted to. It is necessary, to keep the waters pure. Thomas Jefferson to Lafayette, 1823. ME 15:491 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery Lifetime
Ken, I'm looking for possible solutions or areas to investigate. When my FR's arrive I was going to investigate this area, but wondered how easy it would be without a debug board.. Scott Ken Restivo wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 08:19:38PM -0600, Scott Derrick wrote: I'm amazed that more isn't being said about the battery lifetime people are seeing? I just read an article in Information Week that cited a large poll concerning users of mobile devices. What was the number 1 issue, far and above any other issue people are concerned about and want to see improvement. Yes, battery life. The times I've seen posted here are pathetic! 8 hours of standby! Christ, my MotoQ has almost 8 hours of active phone time! 8 hours of standby makes the FR a toy at best. I realize that a lot of people are just trying to get the unit to accept a sim card, or make a call, get a gps fix, etc.. But I seriously can't use it as anything but a desk toy with that kind of battery life. Is there an ACPI or some other kind of power monitor built in that is granular enough for somebody to work on this problem using software? I wasn't sure if you were looking for solutions or just wanted to vent, but yeah, the battery lifetime is pretty anemic. I was going to ask what was the duty cycle of that USB connector on the phone, since I find myself constantly plugging it in and unplugging it. Kind of like I used to do with my old Palm III back a decade ago, because if you let the battery wear down then you lost all your data (talk about design flaws... that was an awful one...). Another thing I noticed was that when I pull the phone out of its little neoprene condom, it almost always is lit up and not in sleep mode, and it also almost always has the Diversity app running (I have no idea why). Apparently the touchscreen is getting bumped and keeps waking it up when its trying to sleep. But one of the solutions may be possible to do in software: make the lock (aux?) button dim the screen AND put the thing into low-power standby, and do NOT allow any stray rubbing up against the touchscreen to wake up the phone from sleep. Any ideas how hard it might be to do that, or where in the software it'd need to happen (i.e. userspace, kernel, uboot, etc.)? -ken ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - The antidote for misuse of freedom of speech is more freedom of speech. Molly Ivans ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery Lifetime
Wow thats fantastic! First I have heard. Gladly I will admit to raising a non-issue, sorry. Scott Adam Talbot wrote: This is all with my FreeRunner. 144 hours, to be exact. Or, about 6 days of stand by time. Something like 4 hours of active talk time. Looks like you could get 8 days and 5 of talk, but I like every thing turned on. I have GPS running, but with out an SD card ;-). Currently using the built in APM for power management. Keep in mind suspend/resume is unstable. As I have seen many times. Still working on squashing the bugs. Currently do not have a working SIM to test wake up on call. Is there a way to stop the screen bumping issue? Perhaps unload the module that runs the touchscreen until there is a wake event (Auk key)? On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 22:26 -0500, Steven ** wrote: Last I read, they were getting like 100 hours standby with the new suspend/resume functionality. I don't know if there's an image that has those changes available though. It's not a hardware issue... -Steven On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Scott Derrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm amazed that more isn't being said about the battery lifetime people are seeing? I just read an article in Information Week that cited a large poll concerning users of mobile devices. What was the number 1 issue, far and above any other issue people are concerned about and want to see improvement. Yes, battery life. The times I've seen posted here are pathetic! 8 hours of standby! Christ, my MotoQ has almost 8 hours of active phone time! 8 hours of standby makes the FR a toy at best. I realize that a lot of people are just trying to get the unit to accept a sim card, or make a call, get a gps fix, etc.. But I seriously can't use it as anything but a desk toy with that kind of battery life. Is there an ACPI or some other kind of power monitor built in that is granular enough for somebody to work on this problem using software? Scott -- - Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add within the limits of the law, because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. Thomas Jefferson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - The antidote for misuse of freedom of speech is more freedom of speech. Molly Ivans ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Time share the SD Card , was Re: Reason for GPS problems found!
Turning the SD card off periodically to fix the cross talk(emf) issue is a good thing. Especially if it allows the GPS receiver to function properly and reduce power consumption on the SD card subsystem. I don't think they are talking seconds here but milliseconds. If the SD card is on once every 10 ms for a couple ms, that should provide ample time to read or write data to the card and also provide ample time to get good signal from the GPS satellite. I'm making up those values, the real time periods are for the HW engineers to work out. All hardware and software designs are a set of compromises. At least thats how I see a possible solution done. I've done similar things in other embedded hardware. Scott BlueStar88 wrote: Andrew Bennett schrieb: From reading between the lines on some of the e-mails from OpenMoko staff, it seems that the interference with the GPS receiver was caused (at least in part) by the SD reader being always-on, apparently because the SD firmware is still incomplete or in beta, much like the rest of the OpenMoko firmware. The fix appears to be to enhance the SD reader to only turn on when necessary. From where I sit, that's a two-fer! GPS gets fixed and the SD reader gets enhanced to a more complete state. I'm happy :) Ahmm... to only turn the reader on when nescessary? Sorry, but that sounds like to be just a "work around" to me, not an enhancement to a more complete state. It sounds like selling a bug and it's work around as a feature we all have waited for.. If I got this right, it still remains to be a reception mess, if the reader will turned on on demand (for reading map-data for example). So where exactly is the enhancement? Not to have to pull out the SD card for using GPS/getting fix? Nice, but thats not enough. If the GPS reception qualitiy drops for - lets say - 50%, while accessing map data on the SD-card, I risk to loose the connection to the satellites in case of having any bad (environmental) conditions. I'll loose precision at least. Thats very bad for driving in big cities with tons of obstacles around, where the pure navigation feature and it's maximum reliability is really needed for the driver. Permanent SD-card read access while reading map data is surely to expect for normal usage! It's not about just not beeing able to watch a movie from SD-card while GPS'ing, it's about the strong need for the GPS/SD hardware - in combination! Sorry, but dynamically switching off the reader or clocking it down somehow is no real option, it is a serious failure in function for heavy routing application requirements. To be honest, I personally expected a working mobile in the very basic hardware meaning, but with trillions of *software* issues of course. Almost all (very rough assumption) GTA02-people are having this issue now, even GTA01-users are coming out with confirmations, so why it was not detected (nor digged deeper) by personal full range use before mass production? I'm not whining, I'd just like to understand it to some degree. Before someone suggests: I don't like the 'fallback' idea of using an external antenna, since it is very unhandy for bike and walk usage. Additionally the MMCX-jack will not like the permanent (often) mount and unmount procedures it'll cause. My current thoughts are two sided. On one side I don't like to hurt the really great (!) project by returning the hardware. On the other side I fear, that this issue cannot be fixed to have the initially expected behavior. I hope this bug gets busted *effectively*! :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery Lifetime
Chris, you got a SD card plugged in? Scott Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: How are you doing this? If I fully charge my GTA02 battery before I go to bed,.. it will be nearly empty when I wake up (I seep 7-8 hours),... Dim+nolock is choosen, as dim+lock seems to crash the device and I have to remove the battery to reboot (nothing else works). Does anybody else suffer from this? I'm using the 2007.2 image with everything upgraded... What are you using? On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 21:29 -0700, Adam Talbot wrote: This is all with my FreeRunner. 144 hours, to be exact. Or, about 6 days of stand by time. Something like 4 hours of active talk time. Looks like you could get 8 days and 5 of talk, but I like every thing turned on. I have GPS running, but with out an SD card ;-). Currently using the built in APM for power management. Keep in mind suspend/resume is unstable. As I have seen many times. Still working on squashing the bugs. Currently do not have a working SIM to test wake up on call. Is there a way to stop the screen bumping issue? Perhaps unload the module that runs the touchscreen until there is a wake event (Auk key)? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add within the limits of the law, because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. Thomas Jefferson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press
Man I have to agree. I'm just jumping on to the OM bandwagon with the purchase of two freerunners but have reservations about it now. Looking through the Wiki is a pain and a chore to find useful data. Yes there are gems in there but they are buried under tons of old and inaccurate data. Some people having very basic problems, like making a phone call, or playing music, charging the phone, right out of the box is really inexcusable. And for many this list is the only source of possible solutions! If the OM is going to survive and grow into a viable platform something has to change. Somebody is going to have to take the reins on documentation. Information is the key to its success and right now its in shambles. I'm not trying to point a finger or blame anybody. I think the scope has grown beyond the ad-hoc means used up to now, especially since we have a new phone added to the mix. There has to be some distinction between the 1973 and the FR because it appears they are not completely compatible. I think OM is going to have to step up to the plate and dedicate some resources to at least organizing/overseeing and enforcing a standard to the documentation of the project so there is coherence, timeliness and to reduce the outdated and inaccurate information. Scott Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Jay Vaughan wrote: This stood out for me The tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation at the OpenMoko wiki... Is this an accurate evaluation of the wiki ? If so, what can we do to fix it up, how do we identify old content and schedule it for updating? I think, personally, its time for a 3rd-party site not related to OpenMoko to pick up the slack here. So much stuff happens too quickly for people who /should/ be updating the wiki to feel like its productive to do so .. What I would like to see is something like an mokofanboix.org website come up that has the following: - Daily blog news akin to the good ol' slashdot, of news from the openmoko scene, gleaned from careful inspection of the mailing lists, of IRC, of the codebase, of code delta's, etc. - Public free Repository of all the latest and greatest 'cool apps' found for OpenMoko - Public forum for discussion of the news. This is, of course, sorta what we've got with things like planet.openmoko.org (which I check daily), combined with the Scaredycat repo's and other such things, but .. for newcomers .. I don't think any of this is as easily approachable as it would be if it were all put under a single umbrella that is a bit more of an 'openmoko pop culture' site than what we've got right now .. Jay These are all great ideas and would be very helpful for us. We are a small company. And really try to focus all we can on our products. Community help to make these more approachable is something that would make us all very grateful. Let me know if there is anything specific you think we (Openmoko) could do to help get this all started. -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Just because I sound like an idiot doesn't mean I agree with the president.from an ad on Air America Radio ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ***SPAM*** Re: In the press
I don't think its the wiki software that is the problem. Its the ad-hoc management method of everybody editing and no one doing QA to insure old stuff is thrown out or clearly marked, consistent format, new pages in the right place, appropriate links to and from the document, etc There has to be some kind of control to enforce a standard, I'm a libertarian at heart but the free-for-all method used now falls apart when you have multiple projects(1973, FreeRunner, etc) and hundreds of contributers.. I think OpenMoko stands to gain the most from teh effort and should step up to the plate to provide a WikiBoss that can provide the standard, organize volunteers to police their areas of expertise. Unless this of some other kind of oversight is done any new wiki will degenerate into the state of the current wiki in short order. Scott Curtis Vaughan wrote: Since Ken really liked OpenWRT's Wiki, I looked at it and see they use MoinMoin. So, I am willing to set up MoinMoin on a server to be used as an FR community wiki. If people think it's a good idea then I will set up a website for it and register it. Perhaps something like mokofanbox.org or whatever. I don't really care. I can register it and I will make it available to whomever can administer it. Jay seems to be willing. Anyhow, if that's what will help us out then just give me the green light and I'll do that much. If it works out - Great! Curtis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation.
Perhaps this is what you seek? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions This is a great page, one of the gems hidden in the bowels of the OM Wiki. Its also a great example of whats wrong with the Wiki. But how do I find it? Its not listed on the home page, not on the FreeRunner page, not on the getting started page?Unless I search for exactly teh right word or combinations of words I would never know it existed... The only link I could find, after I knew it existed was Software/distributions/distributions.. There has to be some kind of boiler plate format for the design and layout of the Wiki so things are easier to find. You can't rely on the search engine, it sucks.. I think that was the point of the person who recommended the OpenWRT Wiki. Its design and format was easy to use and helped you find things instead of thwarting you. Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Battery Lifetime
I'm amazed that more isn't being said about the battery lifetime people are seeing? I just read an article in Information Week that cited a large poll concerning users of mobile devices. What was the number 1 issue, far and above any other issue people are concerned about and want to see improvement. Yes, battery life. The times I've seen posted here are pathetic! 8 hours of standby! Christ, my MotoQ has almost 8 hours of active phone time! 8 hours of standby makes the FR a toy at best. I realize that a lot of people are just trying to get the unit to accept a sim card, or make a call, get a gps fix, etc.. But I seriously can't use it as anything but a desk toy with that kind of battery life. Is there an ACPI or some other kind of power monitor built in that is granular enough for somebody to work on this problem using software? Scott -- - Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add within the limits of the law, because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. Thomas Jefferson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any update on Windows connectivity yet?
Vinc, Don't tell me your a Windoze Weeniee! Say it isn't so! hehe!! Scott Vinc Duran wrote: I'm interested too. I'd be willing to help test windows apps or tools for openmoko. Vinc On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 2:32 PM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my bulk order buyers has prompted a question about whether there have been any advances with connecting a Freerunner to a Windows PC? Last I tried mine on an XP laptop, it detected a device but wanted drivers to communicate. Couldn't find anything relevant on a search at openmoko.markmail.org http://openmoko.markmail.org -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. George Bernard Shaw, Liberty ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?
I don't get some people have experienced audio issues? Is this an indication of the level of quality control in manufacture ring? Scott steve wrote: I use mine. My kids used theirs till I gave it away to somebody else. That said, some people have expereince audio issues. Engineering is on the issue. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yaroslav Halchenko Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 8:44 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Anyone using FR as a phone? wow -- that is very unfortunate... indeed phone which is useless as a phone would sound like a failure. I hope openmoko engineers and developers resolve the issue (bug report trace seems to reveal some improvements). Thanks for making us aware (my FR is still on its way) On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Yorick Moko wrote: there is some talk about this on the devel-list: [1]http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003560. html [2]http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003562. html [3]http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003563. html On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Randy S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am curious to know if anyone is using their FR as a phone. Mine has such poor audio quality, it is unfortunately useless as a phone. The audio I hear is clear but at a very low volume; the other person hears my voice very distorted and with a buzz. I am on T-Mobile in Texas, USA. -- Yaroslav Halchenko Research Assistant, Psychology Department, Rutgers-Newark Student Ph.D. @ CS Dept. NJIT Office: (973) 353-5440x263 | FWD: 82823 | Fax: (973) 353-1171 101 Warren Str, Smith Hall, Rm 4-105, Newark NJ 07102 WWW: http://www.linkedin.com/in/yarik ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Just because I sound like an idiot doesn't mean I agree with the president.from an ad on Air America Radio ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is Multi-touch in Freerunner's Future?
I agree, one of the coolest features of the IPhone is its multi touch capability to zoom or do multi select. Scott Charles Pax wrote: Will we ever see multi-touch on the current Freerunner hardware revision? I remember hearing something about how it's supported by the hardware, but we're limited by X.org. -Charles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be most aware of change in the air however slight lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness. William O. Douglas, Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External Cell Antenna
Yes it would! A list of connectors would be nice too. Scott steve wrote: Well, perhaps We should consider releasing PDFs of the schematics. Would that help? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Derrick Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:49 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: External Cell Antenna I was hoping the external ant port on the FreeRunner was for the cell modem and was disappointed to find out it was for the GPS. Any diagrams available on how to add an antenna port myself? What contacts to solder to, etc... Will I need a switch to enable an external antenna or will it just use it? Scott -- - What county can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance. Thomas Jefferson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press
In my opinion , the Wiki sucks Very difficult to find any useful information. Scott Vinc Duran wrote: I think it's accurate. On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Matt Joyce [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found this yesterday, thought it was quite an ok article. http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/open-moko-software.ars This stood out for me *The tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation at the OpenMoko wiki*... Is this an accurate evaluation of the wiki ? If so, what can we do to fix it up, how do we identify old content and schedule it for updating? Matt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - The antidote for misuse of freedom of speech is more freedom of speech. Molly Ivans ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GSM Data
When i finally get my FreeRunner is there an application available that will display GSM data? Which tower, signal strength, noise, etc. Scott -- - Those willing to give up a little liberty for a little security deserve neither security nor liberty. Benjamin Franklin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Found it.(GSM antenna port)
Vinc, I found a description of disassembling the 1973 that describes where the GSM antenna connector is. They actually mention an alternative case that provides access to it. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo1973 Here's the picture of the component side http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta01b_v3_case_top_open_pcb_lifted.jpg looking at the lower right corner, you can see a hole through the board with the ground plane copper around it. At 11 o'clock is a connector with a white square base facing away from the board. Thats it. Looking at the FreeRunner board the connector is in the same place. Scott -- - Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add within the limits of the law, because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. Thomas Jefferson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Sims
I'm expecting my FreeRunner soon and was wondering about the Sim card issue the 1973 version experienced. Was it fixed? Can I expect just about any ATT sim card to work now? I was looking on ebay for sim cards and couldn't find any that were in the good list as published here. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT Scott -- - Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add within the limits of the law, because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. Thomas Jefferson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
External Cell Antenna
I was hoping the external ant port on the FreeRunner was for the cell modem and was disappointed to find out it was for the GPS. Any diagrams available on how to add an antenna port myself? What contacts to solder to, etc... Will I need a switch to enable an external antenna or will it just use it? Scott -- - Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add within the limits of the law, because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. Thomas Jefferson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External Cell Antenna
That is great news!! Just what I needed Scott Florian Hackenberger wrote: The port for the GSM antenna is under the cover according to [1]: Accessible GSM/GPRS antenna jack (if battery cover is removed) [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware -- - Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add within the limits of the law, because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. Thomas Jefferson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: resolution preferences??
i'm asking the question if going down to a (relatively) low resolution screen would be an ok compromise. I would not be remotely as interested in a device which is not, at least, VGA. As another person mentioned qvga is too small to do any type of web browsing effectively. I currently use a Palm TX as my PDA and find that the 320 x 480 screen still does not have the resolution to make the browsing experience anything but painful. Cheers Scott Petersen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973
fwiw -- I just installed the qtopia images, and am _very_ impressed. On bootup my phone told me I had new text messages, and displayed them very easily. I even sent a text without issue. Phone calling works, for both incoming and outgoing calls, the only hitch was that I had to manually set the alsa levels using gsmhandset.state. This is by far the most usable my neo has ever been, so I will most likely keep using the qtopia image until the moko images do calling and sms without as much fiddling around. cheers to qtopia, -scott Mike Hodson wrote: On 9/18/07, Michael Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what is the difference of openmoko and neo? Thought neo is the phone and openmoko the project running it. So a GTK gui would work even with QTopia phone? Ok then there is a development interest for GTK... OpenMoko is an open-source GTK based software platform for open phones. The Neo1973 is an open phone, related to OpenMoko as it was the original reference platform. They are related, but not one thing. This is the difference. Trolltech have now done what should be done with open hardawre: they made their Qtopia software platform for open phones available for / usable on the Neo1973. With open platforms, comes freedom of choice. Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: $3000 roaming Iphone/ATT story
UPDATE, 12:18PM PT: Dave says, ATT just called and agreed to waive all charges due to the 'miscommunication.' I think they have a customer for life now. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.boingboing.net/2007/07/31/att_iphone_intl_roam.html; I guess that happens if you dont know what you are really charged for when locked into a provider such as ATT. Even more reason to have an unlocked phone. If you want to unlock the Iphone, all you have is a PDA. It should be clear that the Iphone is a bit dead in the water. Anyway, this definitely helps to justify the wait for the FIC NEO. This looks like to me as if you HAVE TO use ATT when in Europe!? No wonder it is so expensive to roam. If this is true, the the Iphone is a dead duck for business. Seemingly the poor Iphone users cannot negotiate better deals, why because there is no competition .. only ATT for the Iphone. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mailing list management
Most good mail filters, such as sieve (http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/sieve/index.html) provide a _multitude_ of ways to filter messages. Including by headers or recipients (or a combination, etc). I highly recommend sieve if you have means to run a mail server, or are already are. cheers -scott Ortwin Regel wrote: Learn to use Gmail. Also it's relevant for everything where you can only see the first X letters of a topic in your list of emails. Like pretty much every mail client and webmail interface out there. So adding the tags to the end of the subject line is a pretty good idea which I could live with while adding them to the front would really annoy me. On 8/14/07, *hank williams* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops again. That reply to thing is a bitch. -- Forwarded message -- From: *hank williams* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Aug 14, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Re: mailing list management To: Daniel Mewes [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I use pager notification for my e-mails and text paging in Germany has a very limited message length. Wow. now thats a great target design platform for a mailing list. lol. Hank ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: imei number
At least on my phone, this was printed out underneath the battery, inside the case :) cheers! -scott Emre Turkay wrote: Hi folks, Does anybody know how can I see the IMEI number? Thanks, emre ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What is the FCC ID of the neo1973?
mine has it printed under the battery: fcc id: EUNGTA01BV4 cheers -scott Adam Krikstone wrote: I see no mention of it anywhere on the wiki or lists. Does anyone know the FCC ID? -adam ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
Minor update on the cingular/att 3g sim issue: I tested my device out this evening with a t-mobile prepaid sim (2g), and I am able to make outgoing calls successfully. Even got the audio working after some fuss ;) So anyhow, seems like its definitely due to either the cingular/att network and/or the 3g sim card, and not the neo itself. Fwiw, the sim contacts on both of the sims appear slightly different. I do not know enough about sim cards to know how significant that is. Cheers, -scott Harrison Metzger wrote: I agree. The neo should work with the largest US provider. I would be more than happy to mail my sim card to TW or to someplace where someone who knows more about the technology than me can look at it (as long as I can get it back lol). It would be nice to see the raw communication (if any) between the sim and the phone. IMO this is a very important issue and I hope the core neo engineers or openmoko developers will get time to look into it. (its filed on bugzilla as number 666) Harry ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
Mark Eichin wrote: and I am able to make outgoing calls successfully. Even got the audio working after some fuss ;) What fuss in particular? I can play audio with madplay, but have yet to get phone calls to use the speaker (the dialer connects and picks up fine...) Right before you dial a call, try alsactl -f /etc/alsa/gsmhandset.state restore Then fire up alsamixer and adjust Amp Left and Amp Right to suit your needs. Also, this should work with the headset plugged in, and using gsmheadset.state as well, and then you can use stereoout.state to put it back to stereo output. So, in short, that works for me. However, I can't seem to make the gsm system function reliably. Seems it can only handle 1 call before a full reboot is needed, unless gsm and x are restarted, and even then that only works on occasion. Otherwise the modem just appears to hang, and restarting gsmd, and attempting to re-register makes no effect. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
Chalk another one up for CME ERROR due to the cingular/att 'fireball' 3g sim card.. However, it is interesting to note, that I am getting CME ERROR 13 (sim failure), rather than CME ERROR 10 (sim not inserted). Just got my neo, so still trying.. :) -Scott Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Harrison Metzger writes: Many people (including I) have not been able to get the att 3g sim card (the one with the 3g fireball) working in our neos. The older cingular ones do work (they are 64K smart chip). I dont care if it does 2g, I would like for my att sim card to work in the phone. According to the GSM modem it gives error CME 10 (sim card not inserted). any ideas? Many people (including I) have not been able to get the atamp;t 3g sim card (the one with the quot;3g fireballquot;) working in our neos. The older cingular ones do work (they are quot;64K smart chipquot;). I dont care if it does 2g, I would like for my atamp;t sim card to work in the phone. According to the GSM modem it gives error CME 10 (sim card not inserted). any ideas?br OK, several people have reported failure -- has anybody reported success? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping, Billing, etc
Out of curiosity, Has anyone else seen their credit card charged? My order was only 1838, and my card has not been charged, nor have I received an ack, or any form of confirmation after replying with 'YES_I_DO'. Seems like they should be able to process at least 18 credit cards per day? Maybe Not? Ah well, whats another week, right? cheers -scott Peter Trapp wrote: YES_I_DID :) or better we = group purchasing :) From our side everything went fine (#1952 - also not that fare away from Jason (#1820) if this mean something at all). I'm just curios... Rodolphe Ortalo schrieb: Hmm, btw, I did not even get a YES_I_DO message personnally... has everyone on the list received one against their order? Rodolphe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Crossroads
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:46:57 -0400 Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good to see things moving forward on the wifi issue. But, I was going to be a developer for this platform, but in light of my recent thread, and the lack of wifi support, I don't think I can, at least not until it's launched to the general public, which defeats the entire purpose of the developer release phase. It's because of the following: 1. The sheer quantity of information about finding a mobile provider with a data plan that will support the neo, as indicated by the useful responses to my recent thread. And the lack of certainty of that information. I think this will work. I appreciate those responses from non-openmoko people, because it's all we've got to go on. And that brings me to problem 2: 2. The fact that the openmoko guys have apparently just washed their hands of the entire issue of which services will work, and aren't providing any information on the site (and very little on the wiki). (At least start with the big countries/regions). Your device is great, guys, your platform sounds great too. But you can't leave us all on our own when it comes to getting the thing on the net. Your neo is a $350 doorstop without a working service provider. 3. If there was wifi on the device this wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue, obviously, because we wouldn't need to rely on the provider to get on the net. Either give us detailed information on which providers and plans will work, or get wifi on the device. Those are the two roads at the crossroads. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Not sure what this has to do with Wifi? I think part of the issue is that the openmoko is a GSM device, and GSM is available all over the world. I bet the majority of the company (FIC), and current developers are probably not even in the same country you are. (i have no clue). So especially in this first developer phase, I think its fair and understandable that developers and interested individuals do their own research and experimentation to find out how they will make it work for them, and contribute that back to the community. Let's face it, the device is in its very early form, and a lot of things are not going to be very polished it seems. I for one am willing to pay the 350, and also willing to check my account status with cingular online every few days to see what my usage will look like. I think if one wants a more polished, internet capable device, hopefully this community will help that happen by September. But it will take a community, research, dedication, and time from many individuals. We are at the beginning. Cheers, and I can't wait for phase 1. -Scott ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Crossroads
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:45:36 -0400 Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it was a different company, it wouldn't be open source, and, thus, they wouldn't need a developer preview. It's a circular point. Exactly, Mike. And now that we are all on the same page about this being an open-source project, it appears that it is being handled in the same manner as most if not all open-source projects, through a community. To me, if a community member has taken the time to do research for me, and email me back with weblinks, and enough basic information for me to make a fairly educated decision, I would not only be satisfied, but I would be very grateful. It really should not make a differece if the word was official. At this point most of the people on this list are either developers are linux hobbyists. So I think that we should all be smart enough that by collaborating, come up with some decent solutions. If this makes you feel unfortable about the unknown, then it would indeed be better to wait until september for you. I am sure that many aspects of this project will handled in a similar pattern of communication, through the community. For me, this is not an issue. I plan on actively participating, and I am not worried about plans, because with any modern GSM carrier (cingular and t-mo included) you can change your plan if it does not suit you. Folks, the point of this thread is for the community to ask the community for help in finding an open-source wifi device. This thread has gotten completely taken over by this miscellaneous discussion about plans. Lets move the topic back to wifi chips. This is the whole point of open-source, we all have a say. Right now the community needs to work together, so lets do that! How Much Is Your Time Worth I ask :) ? Cheers -scott ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: open-source Java VM for openmoko?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There is a jamvm package that is checked into the OpenEmbedded (jamvm_1.3.0-jamvm_1.4.2), so I think that it will be available soon after the release. Koen Kooi did some initial work on testing a CDC build, see the following link. Thanks Koen! I'm starting to test out building phoneme - - so that other existing J2ME phone apps can run on the openmoko. However, like yourself, I'm also more interested in full J2SE support. I'm not a Java nut case, but I think it's important to get it working on the openmoko. http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2006-December/001036.html Scott Bob Deanna wrote: Hello all, Will a Java VM, such as JamVM (see http://jamvm.sourceforge.net/) be a part of the openmoko software stack? I think this is a very exciting effort! Regards, Bob ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBRbjhyHuDTbCxG8PhAQKxgxAArAsJLCiH4eHmdemRde5ZrZzlBoNMXxJ+ 62L/ER7Xamynbx56X3y618+zQYfi7TJ8bDpJUKx9KWza50vCRrTRtswmv5QNGXyp cuot3MSdYA8hXRV+6ZUeZvPuerdyfHLzOrAieKkrAz8H+rwcrfRK6DgioQIDJ51z CD1+FFgH4mYNLinHMG6drBdrUurmawOW7qGKmLPMd0kk1j/cRDGGpfuezujxwHXt y43/4XyRgGaL+GV7cnvvVT2F2K7LGCZmZ1qX+FeeJmysf7cgU8UloY3iPeuHPzf5 UygRrQNDRzUTt3PotsRFMZ0j9KG5Osb8tnzSimExM+OSE+kmbLNDIp+60qbqrO7p OifYa+pG8Lds6Q+v3sROZPfnV+HbMjhey3lBHOe/LMf04O91CJg2bwdeIbuHXNOO KJ8Rb7w0ZL7jKRcytheUMeBm15qZrF8mVES1Pwajg6UoINFzc6lX3X4ISW2jnERx w0+2SPS+Sxtr4d/u3rfZ0KtRHPO6rPgLuxEHqQv2DExVLPvKmEflj43z3GvC358Z VYuuIDi2KY1S3/mI70RN3WQOnblR07wfDKd4t3dDUdjll/IcaZ7I+v6GHy7T0Z53 nm3KIScvgKXWl4JPzqq4VndUdgKBxDoRJWRj7DiY6V3VcLhDi5XQB4/j5+Rq4HBy kgpVQmo0EDo= =hOd2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
