Re: GPS

[flexd]

Im actually having some trouble installing that, it says:

/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/bin# opkg install 
http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/util/gps/openmoko-agpsui_0.1+svnr7-r0_armv4t.ipk
Downloading 
http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/util/gps/openmoko-agpsui_0.1+svnr7-r0_armv4t.ipk
Multiple packages (openmoko-agpsui and openmoko-agpsui) providing same 
name marked HOLD or PREFER.  Using latest.
Installing openmoko-agpsui (0.1+svnr7-r0) to root...
Collected errors:
 * Package openmoko-agpsui md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the 
package index are corrupt. Try 'opkg update'.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/bin#

Not entirely sure what to do as im no linux expert :)
/


Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) skrev:
> Hi Billk-
>
>   
>> Does the freerunner have software that can show how the satellites
>> position overhead? - satellite location will certainly cause a lot of
>> variability - I would think the only worthwhile measurements on how the
>> FR performs will be comparative (with another, known performer placed
>> alongside) rather than absolute.
>>
>> 
>
> You might could try following ipkg for GPS testing
>
> http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/util/gps/openmoko-agpsui_0.1+svnr7-r0_armv4t.ipk
>
> just using opkg install to install program.
>
> And reference the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_GPS page for 
> source code information.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tony Tu
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Re: GPS

[flexd]

Basically, follow this:

http://www.mmenterprises.co.uk/blog/2007/07/how-to-find-gps-coodinates-from-google.htm

That gives you the numbers you need to put into his spreadsheet :)

Jay Vaughan skrev:
>> In the link you can see the coordinates and use the spreadsheet  
>> attached
>> to his mail to calculate the right x,y,z.
>> This works very well, i've been able to get a fix easy now.
>>
>> 
>
>
> Could you do a step-by-step guide for how to do this, and put it on  
> the web somewhere?  I think it would be easy to go from your guide to  
> an automatic web-page/script that makes it easier for people to do  
> this optimization themselves ..
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Re: GPS

[flexd]

What i did with my phone (using the script stuff Al posted), i took my 
position from google maps, simply by finding my home, centering it, and 
making a link.

In the link you can see the coordinates and use the spreadsheet attached 
to his mail to calculate the right x,y,z.

This works very well, i've been able to get a fix easy now.

Tilman Baumann skrev:
> How accurate does this position information have to be?
> With my own telephone numer, i could at least find out in which country 
> i am.
> Not so good for america, russia and brazil.
> But in smaller countries, you culd get a ±500km position.
>
> Al Johnson wrote:
>   
>> Gets my location wrong by 100 miles or so. Other GeoIP services put me in 
>> other locations similar distances away. The BBC has had complaints from 
>> people reported as being in a different country because it blocks them from 
>> using the download service. Perhaps this only affects a minority, so it's 
>> another option to add to the list. If we have multiple sources we can see if 
>> they agree.
>>
>> On Monday 07 July 2008, Francesco Cat wrote:
>> 
>>> Another thing that might help: If the FR is connected to any network
>>> one should also be able to use IP Locator services like
>>> http://whatismyipaddress.com/ to get another extimation of the
>>> location of FR. They are usually quite accurate.
>>>
>>> Would this help?
>>>
>>> 2008/7/7 Yogiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>   
 On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 15:37:08 +0100
 Al Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 Thank you for the testing. Keep doing the good work.
 Hopefully this idea can solve the long fix problem.

 
> First stab uses the example perl functions from ublox for generating
> the aid-ini data, replacing their hardcoded x,y,z with values for my
> location. The copyright notice on the example code says you can't do
> anything with it without permission so I can't give you the script,
> but I can tell you how to reproduce it ;-)
>
> Get the AssistNow online client application note from:
> http://people.openmoko.org/matt_hsu/ImplementationAssistNowServerAndClie
> nt(GPS.G4-SW-05017-C).pdf
>
> Create a new script aid-ini.pl and start with:
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> print(clientdata_prepare());
>
> Go to section B - Sample Server implementation and append subroutines
> clientdata_prepare and ubx_checksum to aid-ini.pl
>
> You need to replace the $posx, $posy and $posz values in
> clientdata_prepare with some that match your location. These are ECEF
> coordinated in m. There's an explanation of the calculation method in:
> http://www.u-blox.com/customersupport/docs/GPS.G1-X-6.pdf
>
> Alternatively you can use the attached spreadsheet if it survives the
> list. Just replace the lat and lon with values for your location.
>
> You probably want to change the time accuracy to reflect the accuracy
> of the Freerunner clock, and possibly the accuracy of your location
> estimate.
>
> Now copy the script to somewhere suitable on the Freerunner and make
> it executable. I'm using /usr/local/bin. You need to install perl if
> you don't have it already:
> opkg install perl
>
> Switch on the GPS then run the script:
> /usr/local/bin/aid-ini.pl > /dev/ttySAC1
>
> If you cat /dev/ttySAC1 you should be able to see it using the
> current time according to your Freerunner. TangoGPS makes it easier
> to see what it's doing. In the only test I've managed so far it got a
> fix with a poor view of the sky, while my Garmin Geko was still
> struggling to see 3 sats. It wasn't quick, but it was better than the
> Garmin. It would be interesting if you could try 2 units side by
> side, one with aid-ini and one without, to see if it really makes a
> difference or if I was just lucky. I'll try to get some more testing
> in, but the weather isn't good here, and I don't want to get my new
> toy wet ;-)
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Re: WLAN not working

[flexd]

After updating and upgrading i now get exactly the same error as when i 
specified -Dwext, so something is wrong something still :/

anyone got any ideas?

regards

Kristoffer

flexd skrev:
> This is not working (adding -Dwext) i only get additional errors then:
>
> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: Input/output error
> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: Input/output error
> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: Input/output error
> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: Input/output error
>
> Going to try updating and upgrading now.
>
>
> Al Johnson skrev:
>   
>> I am using WPA-PSK successfully on the Freerunner using a simple 
>> wpa_supplicant.conf and one extra line in /etc/network/interfaces as 
>> described at the end of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_wlan 
>> It is on interface eth0 and the driver is compiled into the kernel rather 
>> than 
>> being a module.
>>
>> I haven't tried this with the original image, but it has worked on every 
>> other 
>> image I've tried. The original image may be using an older wpa_supplicant 
>> version where the default driver was hostap (for prism2) not wext as it is 
>> in 
>> the current images. If so then you either need to supply the option -Dwext 
>> on 
>> the wpa_supplicant command line, or add an extra line 
>> to /etc/network/interfaces under the wpa-config one:
>>  wpa-driver wext
>>
>> On Saturday 05 July 2008, flexd wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> After some test and error on my FR, i have come to the conclusion that
>>> encryption (any type of encryption) does not work on the FR (atleast not
>>> the image it comes with), this seems to be either a kernel
>>> bug/misconfiguration or a problem with wpa_supplicant itself, it seems
>>> to be using PRISM2 drivers? But the card is atheros is it not?
>>>
>>> I am able to connect to open networks both the normal way (with
>>> iwconfig) and with wpa_supplicant,  however connecting to encrypted
>>> networks has proven unsuccessful as wpa_supplicant complains about
>>> setting the encryption with this message repeatedly:
>>>
>>> ioctl[PRISM2_IOCTL_HOSTAPD]: Operation not supported
>>>
>>> Not sure what's going on, maybe someone with a bit more info could
>>> reply.. :)
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Kristoffer
>>>
>>> Alexander Paersch skrev:
>>> 
>>>   
>>>> iwlist scanning works for me. I followed this guide:
>>>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_wlan
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 10:55 PM, Flyin_bbb8 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>   
>>>> 
>>>>> iwconfig? Or
>>>>> iwlist scanning?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/5/08, Christoph Anton Mitterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>   
>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've received my GTA02 yesterday :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Flashed it to the most recent version
>>>>>> (http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/)...
>>>>>> Unfortunately,... when I try to use WLAN I get this:
>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifup wlan0
>>>>>> Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) :
>>>>>> SET failed on device wlan0 ; No such device.
>>>>>> Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) :
>>>>>> SET failed on device wlan0 ; No such device.
>>>>>> ifconfig: SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device
>>>>>> wlan0 No such device
>>>>>>
>>>>>> udhcpc: SIOCGIFINDEX: No such device
>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And when I use the following config:
>>>>>> # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> # The loopback interface
>>>>>> auto lo
>>>>>> iface lo inet loopback
>>>>>>
>>>>>> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
>>>>>> wpa-ssid "scientia.net"
>>>>>> wpa-psk "secret"
>>>>>> #wpa-scan-ssid 1
>>>>>>
&g

Re: WLAN not working

[flexd]

This is not working (adding -Dwext) i only get additional errors then:

ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: Input/output error
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: Input/output error
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: Input/output error
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: Input/output error

Going to try updating and upgrading now.


Al Johnson skrev:
> I am using WPA-PSK successfully on the Freerunner using a simple 
> wpa_supplicant.conf and one extra line in /etc/network/interfaces as 
> described at the end of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_wlan 
> It is on interface eth0 and the driver is compiled into the kernel rather 
> than 
> being a module.
>
> I haven't tried this with the original image, but it has worked on every 
> other 
> image I've tried. The original image may be using an older wpa_supplicant 
> version where the default driver was hostap (for prism2) not wext as it is in 
> the current images. If so then you either need to supply the option -Dwext on 
> the wpa_supplicant command line, or add an extra line 
> to /etc/network/interfaces under the wpa-config one:
>   wpa-driver wext
>
> On Saturday 05 July 2008, flexd wrote:
>   
>> After some test and error on my FR, i have come to the conclusion that
>> encryption (any type of encryption) does not work on the FR (atleast not
>> the image it comes with), this seems to be either a kernel
>> bug/misconfiguration or a problem with wpa_supplicant itself, it seems
>> to be using PRISM2 drivers? But the card is atheros is it not?
>>
>> I am able to connect to open networks both the normal way (with
>> iwconfig) and with wpa_supplicant,  however connecting to encrypted
>> networks has proven unsuccessful as wpa_supplicant complains about
>> setting the encryption with this message repeatedly:
>>
>> ioctl[PRISM2_IOCTL_HOSTAPD]: Operation not supported
>>
>> Not sure what's going on, maybe someone with a bit more info could
>> reply.. :)
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Kristoffer
>>
>> Alexander Paersch skrev:
>> 
>>> iwlist scanning works for me. I followed this guide:
>>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_wlan
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 10:55 PM, Flyin_bbb8 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>   
>>>> iwconfig? Or
>>>> iwlist scanning?
>>>>
>>>> On 7/5/08, Christoph Anton Mitterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've received my GTA02 yesterday :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Flashed it to the most recent version
>>>>> (http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/)...
>>>>> Unfortunately,... when I try to use WLAN I get this:
>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifup wlan0
>>>>> Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) :
>>>>> SET failed on device wlan0 ; No such device.
>>>>> Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) :
>>>>> SET failed on device wlan0 ; No such device.
>>>>> ifconfig: SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device
>>>>> wlan0 No such device
>>>>>
>>>>> udhcpc: SIOCGIFINDEX: No such device
>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And when I use the following config:
>>>>> # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8)
>>>>>
>>>>> # The loopback interface
>>>>> auto lo
>>>>> iface lo inet loopback
>>>>>
>>>>> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
>>>>> wpa-ssid "scientia.net"
>>>>> wpa-psk "secret"
>>>>> #wpa-scan-ssid 1
>>>>>
>>>>> # Wireless interfaces
>>>>> #iface wlan0 inet dhcp
>>>>> #wireless_mode managed
>>>>> #wireless_essid any
>>>>> iface atml0 inet dhcp
>>>>>
>>>>> # Wired or wireless interfaces
>>>>> iface eth0 inet dhcp
>>>>> iface eth1 inet dhcp
>>>>>
>>>>> # Ethernet/RNDIS gadget (g_ether)
>>>>> # ... or on host side, usbnet and random hwaddr
>>>>> auto usb0
>>>>> iface usb0 inet static
>>>>> address 192.168.200.2
>>>>> netmask 255.255.255.0
>>>>&

Re: WLAN not working

[flexd]

After some test and error on my FR, i have come to the conclusion that 
encryption (any type of encryption) does not work on the FR (atleast not 
the image it comes with), this seems to be either a kernel 
bug/misconfiguration or a problem with wpa_supplicant itself, it seems 
to be using PRISM2 drivers? But the card is atheros is it not?

I am able to connect to open networks both the normal way (with 
iwconfig) and with wpa_supplicant,  however connecting to encrypted 
networks has proven unsuccessful as wpa_supplicant complains about 
setting the encryption with this message repeatedly:

ioctl[PRISM2_IOCTL_HOSTAPD]: Operation not supported

Not sure what's going on, maybe someone with a bit more info could 
reply.. :)

Regards

Kristoffer

Alexander Paersch skrev:
> iwlist scanning works for me. I followed this guide:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_wlan
>
> On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 10:55 PM, Flyin_bbb8 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> iwconfig? Or
>> iwlist scanning?
>>
>> On 7/5/08, Christoph Anton Mitterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> I've received my GTA02 yesterday :-)
>>>
>>> Flashed it to the most recent version
>>> (http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/)...
>>> Unfortunately,... when I try to use WLAN I get this:
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifup wlan0
>>> Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) :
>>> SET failed on device wlan0 ; No such device.
>>> Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) :
>>> SET failed on device wlan0 ; No such device.
>>> ifconfig: SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device
>>> wlan0 No such device
>>>
>>> udhcpc: SIOCGIFINDEX: No such device
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#
>>>
>>>
>>> And when I use the following config:
>>> # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8)
>>>
>>> # The loopback interface
>>> auto lo
>>> iface lo inet loopback
>>>
>>> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
>>> wpa-ssid "scientia.net"
>>> wpa-psk "secret"
>>> #wpa-scan-ssid 1
>>>
>>> # Wireless interfaces
>>> #iface wlan0 inet dhcp
>>> #wireless_mode managed
>>> #wireless_essid any
>>> iface atml0 inet dhcp
>>>
>>> # Wired or wireless interfaces
>>> iface eth0 inet dhcp
>>> iface eth1 inet dhcp
>>>
>>> # Ethernet/RNDIS gadget (g_ether)
>>> # ... or on host side, usbnet and random hwaddr
>>> auto usb0
>>> iface usb0 inet static
>>> address 192.168.200.2
>>> netmask 255.255.255.0
>>> network 192.168.200.0
>>> gateway 192.168.200.1
>>> up echo nameserver 192.168.200.1 >/etc/resolv.conf
>>>
>>> # Bluetooth networking
>>> iface bnep0 inet dhcp
>>>
>>>
>>> I get this:
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifup wlan0
>>> WPA: Configuring Interface
>>> ioctl[SIOCSIWPMKSA]: No such device
>>> ioctl[SIOCSIWMODE]: No such device
>>> Could not configure driver to use managed mode
>>> ioctl[SIOCGIFFLAGS]: No such device
>>> Could not set interface 'wlan0' UP
>>> ioctl[SIOCGIWRANGE]: No such device
>>> ioctl[SIOCGIFINDEX]: No such device
>>> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: No such device
>>> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: No such device
>>> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: No such device
>>> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: No such device
>>> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: No such device
>>> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: No such device
>>> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: No such device
>>> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: No such device
>>> ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: No such device
>>> WEXT auth param 7 value 0x0 - Failed to disable WPA in the driver.
>>> ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: No such device
>>> WEXT auth param 5 value 0x0 - ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: No such device
>>> WEXT auth param 4 value 0x0 - ioctl[SIOCSIWAP]: No such device
>>> ioctl[SIOCGIFFLAGS]: No such device
>>> wpa_supplicant: /usr/sbin/wpa_supplicant daemon failed to start
>>> FAILED
>>> Failed to connect to wpa_supplicant - wpa_ctrl_open: No such file or
>>> directory
>>> ifconfig: SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device
>>> wlan0 No such device
>>>
>>> udhcpc: SIOCGIFINDEX: No such device
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Chris.
>>>
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Re: Yummy new CPU/GPU combo

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Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) skrev:
> On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:12:30 -0400 "Lally Singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
>
> the day nvidia comes with open drivers for this... we can begin to take an
> interest :)
>   

To be honest, (i myself do not really care if the drivers are open or 
not, i do not have the require level of geekyness to change them :p) i 
couldnt care less if the drivers are open or not.

Aslong as we/someone could run a opensource OS on it, such as OM, i'd 
love it!

I want the ability to change everything, but having a different cpu/gpu 
driver isnt exactly a high priority. Ofcourse this would be great, but a 
closed driver will do fine if my phone can have specs as good as that!

Regards

Kristoffer
>   
>> Seen this?
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7430768.stm
>> http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/nvidia-launches-tegra-hopes-to-change-the-smartphone-mid-game/
>>
>> "The Tegra line will be all-in-one, integrated systems on a chip,
>> containing an 800MHz ARM CPU, GeForce GPU, image processor, HD video
>> processor, and controllers for all other aspects of core operations
>> (memory, USB ports, communication) -- in a package about the size of a
>> dime.
>>
>> The range will come in two varieties to start -- the Tegra 600 and the
>> Tegra 650. Both chips can run games like Quake 3 with full filters and
>> anti-aliasing at rates of more than 40 FPS, and will support 1080p
>> HDMI, WSXGA+ LCD or CRT, and NTSC/PAL TV outs."
>>
>> It's still ARM based, so it should work with OM.  It'll run Android if
>> you want, and may end up with a slightly smaller phone, as it
>> integrates the GPU.
>>
>> -- 
>> H. Lally Singh
>> Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science
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Re: (no subject)

[flexd]

That was my bad, opened a installer for a program (totally legal i 
swear! :p), after several virus checks, yet it manages to try to send 
emails everywhere :(


Thought avast had stopped it from sending, apparently not.

So feel free to send hate mail to that gmail address :P

Kristoffer

James Olney skrev:

I always find it better to cook it before eating it. but either way it's good.

2008/4/23 Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
  

Surely my dog will have something to say about this thread...

 Tim Shannon wrote:



Oh come on!  You're just disagreeing because you have no idea what we're
  

talking about.


On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Peter Abplanalp
  

<[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
wrote:



   On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen

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   On 4/23/08, Denis Shulyaka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   > wrote:
> 2008/4/23, Casey G <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >:

>
> Yes.

   I agree:)


   not me!  i'm totally against it!

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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[flexd]

Sort of off topic here (very) but i think the GTAV3 (or whatever next 
model) should have some form of firewire, would prove extremely handy 
whenever your around locked windows machines and feel that urge to poke 
around ^_^


ontopic:

I personally haven't owned a Neo yet, but i think the pouch would 
probably be most used for travelling and moving abouts, me for instance 
would most likely use the pouch to protect the screen when going back 
and forth to work/school in my backpack.


But this is ofcourse up to each person what they want to do, as for the 
stylus:
I feel that it should be a part of the package, but for the future maybe 
some sort of "sleeve" you can fit around the phone with some accessories 
could be made? With a stylus holder ( a smaller stylus) along with 
whatever other goodies one might need?


About the headset, i dont know, it's illegal to drive and talk on the 
phone without a headset here in Norway but shipping some really cheap 
headset that 99% of the buyers might not use is rather pointless, 
instead there could just be recommendations on the website or on the 
wiki about which ones give good sound quality and work well with the phone.


Regards

Kristoffer





steve skrev:

Ok thanks dirk.

Frankly, some people thought the pouch sucked.  


If I ship a pouch, you have no choice. you get my pouch.

My opinion: it's a phone sock. 


Ideally I would love to have the community
develop this accessory if they want it.



 
 



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dirk Deimeke
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:56 AM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

Hi,

I spoke to my wife ("typical" end user).

She expects a
- computer independent charger
- headset
- pouch

Best regards

Dirk

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Re: next costumers location

[flexd]

I was just making a suggestion, and as for joining the norwegian 10 pack 
buy, i could, but they both live far far North in Norway, while i live 
far far south, the cost of sending it would most likely be about the 
same or more as the 10 pack buying discount :(




Heikki Sørum skrev:

First off all, I highly doubt if any serious corporation _or_ FOSS
community would engage in such matters. There are much more at stake
than just a wish to avoid a additional 25% VAT surcharge. ( That's the
tax he's complaining about.) Regardless, discussing illegal VAT or tax
evasion on a public mailinglist isn't the world's brightest idea. On
the other hand, If he'd prefer to pay less VAT there is a way for
Norwegians to do so. Norwegians are allowed to bring into Norway wares
worth up to 6000NOK (about 1200USD) _IF_ they spend a minimum of 24
hours abroad. If Flexd really want to avoid paying VAT I'd recommend
him to order a freerunner from a EU dealer and ship it _post restante_
to a swedish post office. Then he'l have to pick it up after
spending a day&night in sweden. 


Post restante= Old postal tradition where mail and packages are
adressed to a post office rather than a person. Such packages are then
retained for two weeks _without_ notice. The recipient has to pick
it up and prove their identity before the post office releases such
mail/packages. 


When that have been said, why cant flexd join the norwegian 10pack
order?
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales

Sincerly, Heikki Soerum.


Den Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:00:06 +0200
flexd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev:

  
If ordering from the US (or anywhere really), would it be possible to 
have the package marked as a gift to evade taxes and such? Norwegian 
taxes are high, so we'll probably pay like half a phone extra >_<


Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano skrev:


Erland Lewin ha scritto:
  

2008/4/13, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
 

 Well, if you consider that you've to pay the shipping costs from 
Usa or
Asia in 10 or more people, instead that as an alone buyer I think 
that you

gain really more than 30$-8€ ;)

  

Well, that is the key question now for us in the EU - I believe
that FIC has said that they will have a distribution center in the
EU, which should make the shipping much less expensive. The very
high shipping cost in relation to the price of the phone I think
was a problem with the GTA01...

I'm very much looking forward to hearing about how FIC will solve
the EU distribution, and how much the shipping will be in Europe
on top of the $399 + VAT price, which I think is a very good
price. I think that info would be in the next update from FIC.

/Erland in Stockholm, Sweden

Yes, you are right, i was thinking that buying a 10pack phone is 
always cheaper than buying a single phone due to the shipping

costs. I'd like to know the eu price and if it's convenient to buy
the phone in eu, else there are some services that you can
subscribe for 10$ which give you an us address so you buy the phone
and send them there, after that you pay the shiping cost from there
to your nation, this can let you to not pay VAT, don't know how
much it's legal but i'd like to get more info on this services
because they can be very useful. Everything obviously is to see how
much the eu phone costs due to the VAT and other taxes.
So i have to get more info about this service but they exist so i 
think it should be a good deal to use them if in eu the phone will 
cost too much.


Cya!

Pietro

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Re: next costumers location

[flexd]

I'm actually not part of your states, so i don't really feel the need to 
pay or support you :)
But whatever makes you comfortable i guess, i have no problem evading 
some of my countrys tax laws, they make enough money.
It's either that or order it to a friend in the US that  can bring it 
back, it all depends on what openmoko/FIC feels comfortable with.


-Kristoffer

Sebastian Billaudelle skrev:

I think that's the point. If anybody wants to do that, OK...
But I don't want to see the openmoko-/fic-people involved in such a 
thing - that's unethical!
"Open" does not mean "anarchistic". We are part of our states and we 
have to pay for that privilege...


cheers
Sebastian

Am Sonntag, den 13.04.2008, 12:17 +0200 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:

Am 13.04.2008 um 12:00 schrieb flexd:
> If ordering from the US (or anywhere really), would it be possible  
> to have the package marked as a gift to evade taxes and such?  
> Norwegian taxes are high, so we'll probably pay like half a phone  
> extra >_<


I would say: only if it really is a gift.
Everything else is unethical and criminal...

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Ich aktzeptiere keine MS Office Dokumente, weil sie
1. kein ISO Standard sind,
2. bewusst schlecht entwickelt sind und
3. nicht für alle zugänglich sind!

Benutze bitte das "Open Document Format" - jeder kann es kostenlos 
öffnen - auch noch in tausenden von Jahren!




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Re: next costumers location

[flexd]

If ordering from the US (or anywhere really), would it be possible to 
have the package marked as a gift to evade taxes and such? Norwegian 
taxes are high, so we'll probably pay like half a phone extra >_<


Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano skrev:

Erland Lewin ha scritto:

2008/4/13, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
 
 Well, if you consider that you've to pay the shipping costs from 
Usa or
Asia in 10 or more people, instead that as an alone buyer I think 
that you

gain really more than 30$-8€ ;)



Well, that is the key question now for us in the EU - I believe that
FIC has said that they will have a distribution center in the EU,
which should make the shipping much less expensive. The very high
shipping cost in relation to the price of the phone I think was a
problem with the GTA01...

I'm very much looking forward to hearing about how FIC will solve the
EU distribution, and how much the shipping will be in Europe on top of
the $399 + VAT price, which I think is a very good price. I think that
info would be in the next update from FIC.

/Erland in Stockholm, Sweden
Yes, you are right, i was thinking that buying a 10pack phone is 
always cheaper than buying a single phone due to the shipping costs. 
I'd like to know the eu price and if it's convenient to buy the phone 
in eu, else there are some services that you can subscribe for 10$ 
which give you an us address so you buy the phone and send them there, 
after that you pay the shiping cost from there to your nation, this 
can let you to not pay VAT, don't know how much it's legal but i'd 
like to get more info on this services because they can be very useful.
Everything obviously is to see how much the eu phone costs due to the 
VAT and other taxes.
So i have to get more info about this service but they exist so i 
think it should be a good deal to use them if in eu the phone will 
cost too much.


Cya!

Pietro

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Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03?

[flexd]

I think the only option would be having _both_, i can't live without 
WiFI as i would use my phone alot at work and there's a building wide 
wireless network setup, though having 3G would be nice when not at a 
place with a wifi service, i'd not want to buy a phone without wifi 
these days.


The nice thing about wifi is that it's free, wherever you can find a 
open network you have access to everything at no cost, but with 3G you 
have to pay.


For my part costs like 20 nok (norwegian kroners) per MB downloaded, 
which is insane.


Kristoffer


Kevin Dean skrev:

On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Steven **
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

As a US resident, 3G is pretty useless to me.  Mostly because it costs
 AT LEAST an additional $30 a month to utilize it.  I'm also not sure
 it's available in my area.



I'm also a US resident and the unlimited plan on my carrier is $19.99 a month.

  

 WiFi, on the other hand, is free when it's available (which is
 admittedly scarce in some areas).



The main trade offs between wifi and 3G, IMO, are consistancy. In this
area, 3G is EVERYWHERE but there are few if ANY wifi services that can
handle a 50 mile radius without a drop. I see no point in having a
mobile internet connecting if you can't actually connect to the
internet while moving.

  

 -Steven



 On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 7:00 AM, Federico Lorenzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 > First off, this is by no means official in any way. Vote on [1] if you
 >  _think_ 3G is essential for a successor to FreeRunner
 >
 >  [1] http://blog.automated.it/2008/04/07/is-3g-an-important-feature/
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Recent spam.

[flexd]

I don't like spam. Do you? :(

There should be a boxtrapper or something to stop this :)

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Re: Martin Pelmore, Selecting A Good Credit Counseling Agency

[flexd]

        I don't like you anymore! :(







Super Star wrote:

  
Martin Pelmore, Selecting A Good Credit Counseling Agency
  
Setting up non-profit credit counseling agencies is quite popular
these days because the non-profit status helps these agencies in
availing numerous benefits. One of the biggest benefits is the federal
and state level tax exemptions granted to these non-profit credit
counseling agencies. The two tax exemptions combined together can add
up to thousands of dollars every year. In addition to tax exemptions,
the non-profits status also makes these agencies eligible for several
public and private grants. To initiate Fair Share contributions, it is
mandatory to have non-profit status. Therefore, the non-profit status
helps these credit counseling agencies obtain greater respect of the
creditors. That is not all. In few states the non-profit agencies are
also unreachable by consumer protection laws.
  Due to all these benefits bestowed upon them, it is not surprising
to
see almost all major credit counseling agencies advertising their
non-profit status. However, you must keep in mind that most of these so
called non profit agencies are set up only to make profits. The non
profit status is only used by them as an easy method to tempt
customers. Debtors in need of professional help and advice get carried
away by these profit-making non profit credit counseling agencies. Only
after they start dealing with these agencies they realize the actual
truth related to interests and worth of these agencies. Although there
are many non-profit credit counseling agencies set up just for making
profits, all of them are not like that. Agencies providing genuine and
authentic counseling also exist. National Foundation for Credit
Counseling or the Association of Independent Consumer Credit Counseling
Agencies provides credit to most of these agencies. 
  You can enquire about authenticity of a profit credit counseling
agency
from the local Better Business Bureau. As a debtor, you can get
information related to any complaints lodged against the agency at the
bureau. You can also get information related to a profit credit
counseling agency from online credit forums. Good credit counseling
agencies are a boon for all debtors. They help in developing a
personalized debt management and budget plans for debtors. To help
debtors in reducing their debt, these agencies go a step forward and
speak to creditors and make them lower down or remove interest, finance
charges and late payment penalties from debt amount. Some of these
agencies can even get the debt collectors off the back of poor debtors.
Keeping these advantages of good non profit credit counseling agencies,
debtors must always be careful in selecting an agency to help them in
managing their debts. Remember that if you get involved with an agency
established just to make profit, you may end up worse than you are at
this moment. 
  
  Focusing on latest news in consumer counceling, Linden Walhard
published first and foremost for  . Writing for publications like  ,the
columnist improved his knowledge on issues related to credit card debt
settlement. 
   
  
  

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Merry Christmas!

[flexd]

On behalf of myself, and myself (due to intake of large amounts of beer 
i now see two of myself in the mirror!) i wish you a merry merry merry 
CHristmas!



-Kristoffer \o

(any spellin g aerrors are to be blamed on alchohol)

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Re: New To the list

[flexd]

I believe it's called a Neo1973, not Treo. (Unless there's some other 
product out there).


It's been said December, but i'm guessing past new years probably, 
because of delays and such :)


-Kristoffer

herve couvelard wrote:

Hello,

I'am new to the list and would like to say hello.

We plan to use treo1973 in a global solution computer AllInOne Touch 
screen (linux of course)  + Nokia N810 + Treo1973. (all with wifi - 
treo1973 public version is said to be wifi equiped) (and perhaps gp2X 
F200)


We would tailored version of the pack for specified activities with 
some soft to 'glue' all.


Is there a release date for the public version of the phone ?

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Re: SMS is required + fix for battery drained isse

[flexd]

Richard Reichenbacher wrote:

Shawn Rutledge wrote:

On Dec 4, 2007 5:45 PM, Bernhard Kaindl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

Maybe it is enough for the US, but if you define the average European
mobile phone user a part of "mass", then you are wrong and yes, text
text messaging (SMS) is an absolute requirement for European mobile



Plenty of people use SMS in the US too, especially teenagers.  More
would use it if certain GSM carriers didn't charge extra for each
individual message, both sending and receiving (shame on you TMobile
in this regard).

  


I have T-Mobile and I pay $10 a month for unlimited text and mms.  Not 
all that expensive.





I pay less than 0.12478098 U.S. dollars per SMS message. And that's with 
a crappy expensive one here in norway (Cash caller card thingy, pay $45 
use it all to call/send, but sort of pricey calling).


What are T-mobiles prices per sms?

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Re: need someone to develop this....

[flexd]

When i get a phone i wanna try making this :D


Michael Shiloh wrote:



Jay Vaughan wrote:


On Nov 29, 2007, at 8:23 PM, Tim Shannon wrote:
Personally, I'd like to see it blink on and off, and scream when you 
shook, then I could show my friends my "possessed" linux phone.



i bet you can do that in about 3 line of code once the gta02 arrives.


Could double as a theft alarm. If motion is detected you have a short 
period of time in which to enter your secret code, or else it starts 
screaming.


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Re: /. : Feds Have Access To Cellphone Tracking On Request

[flexd]

Wow that's alot of replies for something i wrote so quickly.
I didn't really mean it all seriously, and im all for being untrackable 
and all, like you guys say.


But if they wanna track me, then fine, they can if they want.

I just pity the fool that's gonna sit and monitor my boring life.


Jay Vaughan wrote:


On Nov 26, 2007, at 1:19 AM, flexd wrote:

If you just obey the law, when will they ever need to track you?




When you're a political dissident who is investigating the crimes of 
officials and politicians.



;
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Re: /. : Feds Have Access To Cellphone Tracking On Request

[flexd]

If you just obey the law, when will they ever need to track you?


justin daly skrev:
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/23/196229&from=rss 



please don't let the rest of the world fall under the same privacy 
stranglehold.


i wholeheartedly support this open platform that gives its users the 
control to turn -any- of its radios on or off at will (of the 
operator...).


thank you fic and openmoko! i can't wait to get some of these for my 
friends...

justin daly


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Re: Where are the updates?

[flexd]

http://planet.openmoko.org had a pretty major update today as far as  i 
know? Or isn't that offical pdates?



Cailan Halliday skrev:

I haven't seen an official update for the OpenMoko project on this
list for ages, is anything happening, or is OpenMoko going to die?

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Re: Email App

[flexd]

Uhm, I haven't heard anything about anyone making one, but i was 
thinking of playing around with sms/email stuff in python when i get my 
neo when the gta02 is out.


Or if anyone else are doing anything in python, i would like to help.

-Kristoffer

Tim Shannon skrev:

I'm curious if anyone knows that status of an Email app.  I though
originally there was going to be one app that handled all
communication, SMS, internet chat, email, etc, but I haven't seen
anything like this with the new 2007.2 framework.

Is anyone working on this, or what will the status of this app be
around December when the gta02 (hopefully) goes up for sale?

thanks,

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Re: Bug 937 resurfaced

[flexd]

I have the same bug trying to compile on ubuntu gutsy too, also several 
other people on IRC did as of the 18th this month i think.




James Olney skrev:

Hi all,
I'm using Ubuntu Gutsy, and trying to emulate openmoko in qemu.
Unfortunately Bug 937 has re-surfaced. Although people say it is
fixed, i know people are having problems still/again even if the old
version of the bug is fixed. I was wondering if someone could re-open
the bug report? Old bug seemed to differ only in the amount of
seconds:
Old "U-boot failed to finish writing in 300 seconds, giving up."
New "U-boot failed to finish writing in 120 seconds, giving up."


More information:
http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=937
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu#Problems
i have also attached a run of what happens on my computer: bug.log


Many thanks,

James Olney

  



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