Re: CMOS battery replacement
On 12/19/2015 9:27 AM, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Hi, Am 12.12.2015 um 03:06 schrieb Benjamin Deering <ben_deer...@jeepingben.net>: On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 15:38:54 -0800 Andrew Schenck <and...@springahead.com> wrote: That's a lot more work than I had hoped. Thanks very much for the info though. If I'm going to be soldering I might as well try to fix the USB port and GPS port at the same time. -Andrew On 12/11/2015 1:30 PM, Benjamin Deering wrote: The backup battery (supercap?) is welded to its bracket and won't push out. I replaced the backup batteries in my GTA02s with supercaps several years ago. http://www.jeepingben.net/zen/zenphoto/index.php?album=2010/freerunner_supercap_install The parts I used didn't match the original footprint so it was a little work. If you get the exact replacement part, it would be easy if you have soldering experience. I vaguely remember a software problem causing the line that charges the backup bat/cap not being set high. Good luck, Ben On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 12:26:54 -0800 Andrew Schenck <and...@springahead.com> wrote: The secondhand GTA04 I have now is pretty beat up and can't charge because the USB port is disconnected. I've been using a spare GTA02 as a charger, but every time I switch out batteries the clock resets to 12/12/1999 16:00 and it's a pain to re-set it since network time doesn't work. I couldn't find any information on the wiki about replacing the CMOS battery to solve this problem; has anyone here dealt with this same problem before and have recommendations? The GTA04 already has a supercap in battery shape. They came to the market in ~2011. Since there is nothing to replace (a supercap rarely fails), it is most likely a software issue that the charging current provided by the tpw65950 is not enabled. That's good to know. I had foolishly assumed that the GTA04 used the same solution as the GTA02. So which OS are you using? In most systems I know, the RTC "resets" to 1st Jan 2000. I'm using Radek's last QtMoko, v56 for GTA04, kernel 3.7.0-gta04-qtmoko-v56. The RTC *does* reset to 1 Jan 2000 0:00 but I'm at UTC -8:00 so it becomes Dec 31, 1999 16:00. If I could trigger the tpw65950 manually via console every once in a while that would be fine enough. Thanks, -Andrew I was successful in fixing the USB port, but never tried the GPS port. The GPS port is under a lot of stress when the board is installed. Should not be the case. You should move the USB+GPS socket as flat as possible into or out from the case. Then push out the case at the position of the headset connector so that the latter snaps down a little in its hole. This avoids breaking off connectors. See also photos in chapter 4 (especially page 18) of the GTA04 system manual: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/downloads/47/ I ended up giving up on the traces and soldering thin wires to the ESD protection chip and to the leads on the jack. That is fine and indeed sometimes needed if a socket was broken off. After getting the USB port connected electrically, I used JB weld epoxy to fix it mechanically. The repair lasted years including some pretty rough use and being reflow soldered. Good luck, Ben I disassembled a GTA02 enough to see the battery, but it didn't yield to gentle pressure trying to slide out of its bracket and I don't want to destroy things too badly in my attempt to fix them so I didn't push too hard. Because of this, I don't even know the exact type of button cell to buy to replace it. Any help would be appreciated. The GTA04 original part is a PAS414HR-VG1. BTW: it should also work in the GTA02 (which has a real 3.3V LiIon cell in 414 package). Thanks, -Andrew BR and also good luck, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: CMOS battery replacement
Hi, Am 12.12.2015 um 03:06 schrieb Benjamin Deering <ben_deer...@jeepingben.net>: > On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 15:38:54 -0800 > Andrew Schenck <and...@springahead.com> wrote: > >> That's a lot more work than I had hoped. Thanks very much for the >> info though. If I'm going to be soldering I might as well try to fix >> the USB port and GPS port at the same time. >> >> -Andrew >> >> On 12/11/2015 1:30 PM, Benjamin Deering wrote: >>> The backup battery (supercap?) is welded to its bracket and >>> won't push out. >>> >>> I replaced the backup batteries in my GTA02s with supercaps several >>> years ago. >>> http://www.jeepingben.net/zen/zenphoto/index.php?album=2010/freerunner_supercap_install >>> >>> The parts I used didn't match the original footprint so it was a >>> little work. If you get the exact replacement part, it would be >>> easy if you have soldering experience. >>> >>> I vaguely remember a software problem causing the line that charges >>> the backup bat/cap not being set high. >>> >>> Good luck, >>> >>> Ben >>> >>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 12:26:54 -0800 >>> Andrew Schenck <and...@springahead.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The secondhand GTA04 I have now is pretty beat up and can't charge >>>> because the USB port is disconnected. I've been using a spare >>>> GTA02 as a charger, but every time I switch out batteries the >>>> clock resets to 12/12/1999 16:00 and it's a pain to re-set it >>>> since network time doesn't work. I couldn't find any information >>>> on the wiki about replacing the CMOS battery to solve this >>>> problem; has anyone here dealt with this same problem before and >>>> have recommendations? The GTA04 already has a supercap in battery shape. They came to the market in ~2011. Since there is nothing to replace (a supercap rarely fails), it is most likely a software issue that the charging current provided by the tpw65950 is not enabled. So which OS are you using? In most systems I know, the RTC "resets" to 1st Jan 2000. > I was successful in fixing the USB port, but never tried the GPS port. > The GPS port is under a lot of stress when the board is installed. Should not be the case. You should move the USB+GPS socket as flat as possible into or out from the case. Then push out the case at the position of the headset connector so that the latter snaps down a little in its hole. This avoids breaking off connectors. See also photos in chapter 4 (especially page 18) of the GTA04 system manual: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/downloads/47/ > > I ended up giving up on the traces and soldering thin wires to the ESD > protection chip and to the leads on the jack. That is fine and indeed sometimes needed if a socket was broken off. > > After getting the USB port connected electrically, I used JB weld epoxy > to fix it mechanically. The repair lasted years including some pretty > rough use and being reflow soldered. > > Good luck, > > Ben > >>>> >>>> I disassembled a GTA02 enough to see the battery, but it didn't >>>> yield to gentle pressure trying to slide out of its bracket and I >>>> don't want to destroy things too badly in my attempt to fix them >>>> so I didn't push too hard. Because of this, I don't even know the >>>> exact type of button cell to buy to replace it. Any help would be >>>> appreciated. The GTA04 original part is a PAS414HR-VG1. BTW: it should also work in the GTA02 (which has a real 3.3V LiIon cell in 414 package). >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> -Andrew BR and also good luck, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: CMOS battery replacement
The backup battery (supercap?) is welded to its bracket and won't push out. I replaced the backup batteries in my GTA02s with supercaps several years ago. http://www.jeepingben.net/zen/zenphoto/index.php?album=2010/freerunner_supercap_install The parts I used didn't match the original footprint so it was a little work. If you get the exact replacement part, it would be easy if you have soldering experience. I vaguely remember a software problem causing the line that charges the backup bat/cap not being set high. Good luck, Ben On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 12:26:54 -0800 Andrew Schenck <and...@springahead.com> wrote: > The secondhand GTA04 I have now is pretty beat up and can't charge > because the USB port is disconnected. I've been using a spare GTA02 > as a charger, but every time I switch out batteries the clock resets > to 12/12/1999 16:00 and it's a pain to re-set it since network time > doesn't work. I couldn't find any information on the wiki about > replacing the CMOS battery to solve this problem; has anyone here > dealt with this same problem before and have recommendations? > > I disassembled a GTA02 enough to see the battery, but it didn't yield > to gentle pressure trying to slide out of its bracket and I don't > want to destroy things too badly in my attempt to fix them so I > didn't push too hard. Because of this, I don't even know the exact > type of button cell to buy to replace it. Any help would be > appreciated. > > Thanks, > -Andrew > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: CMOS battery replacement
That's a lot more work than I had hoped. Thanks very much for the info though. If I'm going to be soldering I might as well try to fix the USB port and GPS port at the same time. -Andrew On 12/11/2015 1:30 PM, Benjamin Deering wrote: The backup battery (supercap?) is welded to its bracket and won't push out. I replaced the backup batteries in my GTA02s with supercaps several years ago. http://www.jeepingben.net/zen/zenphoto/index.php?album=2010/freerunner_supercap_install The parts I used didn't match the original footprint so it was a little work. If you get the exact replacement part, it would be easy if you have soldering experience. I vaguely remember a software problem causing the line that charges the backup bat/cap not being set high. Good luck, Ben On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 12:26:54 -0800 Andrew Schenck <and...@springahead.com> wrote: The secondhand GTA04 I have now is pretty beat up and can't charge because the USB port is disconnected. I've been using a spare GTA02 as a charger, but every time I switch out batteries the clock resets to 12/12/1999 16:00 and it's a pain to re-set it since network time doesn't work. I couldn't find any information on the wiki about replacing the CMOS battery to solve this problem; has anyone here dealt with this same problem before and have recommendations? I disassembled a GTA02 enough to see the battery, but it didn't yield to gentle pressure trying to slide out of its bracket and I don't want to destroy things too badly in my attempt to fix them so I didn't push too hard. Because of this, I don't even know the exact type of button cell to buy to replace it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, -Andrew ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: CMOS battery replacement
On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 15:38:54 -0800 Andrew Schenck <and...@springahead.com> wrote: > That's a lot more work than I had hoped. Thanks very much for the > info though. If I'm going to be soldering I might as well try to fix > the USB port and GPS port at the same time. > > -Andrew > > On 12/11/2015 1:30 PM, Benjamin Deering wrote: > > The backup battery (supercap?) is welded to its bracket and > > won't push out. > > > > I replaced the backup batteries in my GTA02s with supercaps several > > years ago. > > http://www.jeepingben.net/zen/zenphoto/index.php?album=2010/freerunner_supercap_install > > > > The parts I used didn't match the original footprint so it was a > > little work. If you get the exact replacement part, it would be > > easy if you have soldering experience. > > > > I vaguely remember a software problem causing the line that charges > > the backup bat/cap not being set high. > > > > Good luck, > > > > Ben > > > > On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 12:26:54 -0800 > > Andrew Schenck <and...@springahead.com> wrote: > > > >> The secondhand GTA04 I have now is pretty beat up and can't charge > >> because the USB port is disconnected. I've been using a spare > >> GTA02 as a charger, but every time I switch out batteries the > >> clock resets to 12/12/1999 16:00 and it's a pain to re-set it > >> since network time doesn't work. I couldn't find any information > >> on the wiki about replacing the CMOS battery to solve this > >> problem; has anyone here dealt with this same problem before and > >> have recommendations? I was successful in fixing the USB port, but never tried the GPS port. The GPS port is under a lot of stress when the board is installed. I ended up giving up on the traces and soldering thin wires to the ESD protection chip and to the leads on the jack. After getting the USB port connected electrically, I used JB weld epoxy to fix it mechanically. The repair lasted years including some pretty rough use and being reflow soldered. Good luck, Ben > >> > >> I disassembled a GTA02 enough to see the battery, but it didn't > >> yield to gentle pressure trying to slide out of its bracket and I > >> don't want to destroy things too badly in my attempt to fix them > >> so I didn't push too hard. Because of this, I don't even know the > >> exact type of button cell to buy to replace it. Any help would be > >> appreciated. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> -Andrew > >> > >> ___ > >> Openmoko community mailing list > >> community@lists.openmoko.org > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > >> > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
CMOS battery replacement
The secondhand GTA04 I have now is pretty beat up and can't charge because the USB port is disconnected. I've been using a spare GTA02 as a charger, but every time I switch out batteries the clock resets to 12/12/1999 16:00 and it's a pain to re-set it since network time doesn't work. I couldn't find any information on the wiki about replacing the CMOS battery to solve this problem; has anyone here dealt with this same problem before and have recommendations? I disassembled a GTA02 enough to see the battery, but it didn't yield to gentle pressure trying to slide out of its bracket and I don't want to destroy things too badly in my attempt to fix them so I didn't push too hard. Because of this, I don't even know the exact type of button cell to buy to replace it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, -Andrew ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 2450 mAh Smart Battery
I must admit that the experiment with the replacement of the battery banks failed. After charging the battery, in two days the phone run fine. Later there were oddities. Next day the battery fully charged and discharged to zero (red icon in qtmoko v58) for one day of active use of the phone (wifi on). Next the indicator stood at 80% and stopped charge from neo charger, but still charge from usb-port (periodically). Now the phone turn off always after disconnected from any charger, the battery power is not enough (but there same 80% on screen). I think that the battery has failed. Will test further with an external charger or other banks. Yury S писал 2014-09-02 12:38: remember about short-circuit (+ and -) it can lead to failure of the controller board of neo battery good luck! ) Matteo Sanvito писал 2014-09-02 12:11: Thank you very much Yury! my battery life is about 3 hours, your tutorial will help me! Have a nice day! Matteo Il 02/set/2014 09:37 Yury S z...@onego.ru ha scritto: how to restore the battery for neo (pictures without any description, sorry) https://www.flickr.com/photos/zyth_2011/sets/72157646722873307/ [2] thanks also to this useful video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnQJbKsJuQw [3] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community [1] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community [1] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community [1] Links: -- [1] http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community [2] https://www.flickr.com/photos/zyth_2011/sets/72157646722873307/ [3] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnQJbKsJuQw ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA02 2450 mAh Smart Battery
how to restore the battery for neo (pictures without any description, sorry) https://www.flickr.com/photos/zyth_2011/sets/72157646722873307/ thanks also to this useful video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnQJbKsJuQw ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 2450 mAh Smart Battery
Thank you very much Yury! my battery life is about 3 hours, your tutorial will help me! Have a nice day! Matteo Il 02/set/2014 09:37 Yury S z...@onego.ru ha scritto: how to restore the battery for neo (pictures without any description, sorry) https://www.flickr.com/photos/zyth_2011/sets/72157646722873307/ thanks also to this useful video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnQJbKsJuQw ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 2450 mAh Smart Battery
remember about short-circuit (+ and -) it can lead to failure of the controller board of neo battery good luck! ) Matteo Sanvito писал 2014-09-02 12:11: Thank you very much Yury! my battery life is about 3 hours, your tutorial will help me! Have a nice day! Matteo Il 02/set/2014 09:37 Yury S z...@onego.ru ha scritto: how to restore the battery for neo (pictures without any description, sorry) https://www.flickr.com/photos/zyth_2011/sets/72157646722873307/ [1] thanks also to this useful video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnQJbKsJuQw [2] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community [3] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community [3] Links: -- [1] https://www.flickr.com/photos/zyth_2011/sets/72157646722873307/ [2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnQJbKsJuQw [3] http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 2450 mAh Smart Battery
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 10:11:58 +0200 Matteo Sanvito sanvym...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you very much Yury! my battery life is about 3 hours, your tutorial will help me! New batteries are still available through goldelico and pulster.de in Europe. I have some new-in-bag batteries available in the US. Ben Have a nice day! Matteo Il 02/set/2014 09:37 Yury S z...@onego.ru ha scritto: how to restore the battery for neo (pictures without any description, sorry) https://www.flickr.com/photos/zyth_2011/sets/72157646722873307/ thanks also to this useful video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnQJbKsJuQw ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA02 2450 mAh Smart Battery
Yury S z...@onego.ru wrote: how to restore the battery for neo (pictures without any description, sorry) https://www.flickr.com/photos/zyth_2011/sets/72157646722873307/ I vaguely recall one of the experts on this list (or maybe it was some other related list or forum) saying that a 2450 mAh battery in the size of BL-6C (let alone BL-4C as in those pictures) is a physical impossibility, hence anyone marketing one must be lying through their teeth. Can someone knowledgeable please comment on this issue? SF ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtmoko] control the state of the battery
On Thursday, March 06, 2014 05:12:36 PM Matthias Apitz wrote: Hi, I'm missing in the qtmoko's system setting some screen to view and control the state of the battery (voltage, charging state and level, 100 or 500mA, ...). Please help me to pick it up. Thx matthias Hi, NeoControl is the app. On GTA04 it even shows charging graph, but i havent ported this feature to GTA02. It looks like this [1] And cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/uevent is also nice ;-) Regards Radek [1] https://openrepos.net/content/radekp/battery-monitor ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtmoko] control the state of the battery
El día Friday, March 07, 2014 a las 11:21:31AM +0100, Radek Polak escribió: On Thursday, March 06, 2014 05:12:36 PM Matthias Apitz wrote: Hi, I'm missing in the qtmoko's system setting some screen to view and control the state of the battery (voltage, charging state and level, 100 or 500mA, ...). Please help me to pick it up. Thx matthias Hi, NeoControl is the app. On GTA04 it even shows charging graph, but i havent ported this feature to GTA02. It looks like this [1] And cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/uevent is also nice ;-) Hi Radek, Thanks for the pointers. The background of my question is: I have an external USB battery pack, containing 2 AA rechareable batteries. The kit is based on this: http://learn.adafruit.com/minty-boost?view=all While it charges my other FR running SHR, in qtmoko in NeoControl it shows on plugin only a change from 'Discharging' to 'Not charging'. Any ideas what could be the reason for this? Thx matthias -- Sent from my FreeBSD netbook Matthias Apitz, g...@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ f: +49-170-4527211 UNIX since V7 on PDP-11, UNIX on mainframe since ESER 1055 (IBM /370) UNIX on x86 since SVR4.2 UnixWare 2.1.2, FreeBSD since 2.2.5 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[qtmoko] control the state of the battery
Hi, I'm missing in the qtmoko's system setting some screen to view and control the state of the battery (voltage, charging state and level, 100 or 500mA, ...). Please help me to pick it up. Thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz | /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign: www.asciiribbon.org E-mail: g...@unixarea.de | \ / - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | X - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | / \ - Respect for open standards ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Larger capacity battery
El día Friday, December 20, 2013 a las 04:39:15PM +0100, joerg Reisenweber escribió: BL-6C: 1150mAh. And that's probably as good as it gets for cells fitting into GTA02 battery bay. Unlike NiMH the LiIon technology hasn't made noticeable evolution during last few years. When searching you may find a 2nd source battery that has a *real* capacity of maybe 20% higher. You will need to discard 95% scam before you find that one manufacturer. Maybe useful background can be found in: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 cheers jOERG Hi, A bit animated by the above mentioned thread in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 I have bought the following battery in Amazon for 13 Euro: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0089B9NWS/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8psc=1 Akkutyp: Li-Ion Spannung: 3,7 Volt Kapazität: 1500mAh / 5,6Wh Abmessungen: 59,8 x 38 x 5,7 mm Sonstiges: NEU, 100% kompatibel mit Originalakku (kein Original) mit Schutz gegen Überladung / Überhitzung / Kurzschluß Hersteller: PolarCell It does not fit into the battery bay of our GTA02. I could have seen this from the size 59,8 x 38 because our battery is only 52.8 x 33.7 :-( Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz | /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign: www.asciiribbon.org E-mail: g...@unixarea.de | \ / - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | X - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | / \ - Respect for open standards ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Larger capacity battery
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 7:39 AM, joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org wrote: Maybe useful background can be found in: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 jOERG, That's a pretty handy page. I hadn't realized LiIon batteries varied much by manufacturer. Is there a similar script for the Freerunner which can perform the same battery capacity test? —B ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Larger capacity battery
Hello, I was thinking about purchasing another battery from Golden Delicious (as a spare/backup) but before I do does anyone know of any higher capacity batteries that are compatible with a Freerunner? The only ones mentioned on the wiki are 1100mAh or less. Someone[1] appears to have got it working with a 6Ah portable DVD player battery by using the battery circuit board from the Openmoko battery. I'm not sure if I want anything as drastic as that, but I would not be averse to doing the same with a battery the same size as the Openmoko one. Thanks, Dominic 1. http://dennisferron.blogspot.co.uk/2009/12/freerunner-battery-mod-case-mod-runs.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Larger capacity battery
On Fri 20 December 2013 16:08:07 Dominic Walden wrote: Hello, I was thinking about purchasing another battery from Golden Delicious (as a spare/backup) but before I do does anyone know of any higher capacity batteries that are compatible with a Freerunner? The only ones mentioned on the wiki are 1100mAh or less. Someone[1] appears to have got it working with a 6Ah portable DVD player battery by using the battery circuit board from the Openmoko battery. I'm not sure if I want anything as drastic as that, but I would not be averse to doing the same with a battery the same size as the Openmoko one. Thanks, Dominic BL-6C: 1150mAh. And that's probably as good as it gets for cells fitting into GTA02 battery bay. Unlike NiMH the LiIon technology hasn't made noticeable evolution during last few years. When searching you may find a 2nd source battery that has a *real* capacity of maybe 20% higher. You will need to discard 95% scam before you find that one manufacturer. Maybe useful background can be found in: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 cheers jOERG -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments (alas the above page got scrapped due to resignation(!!), so here some supplementary links:) http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Battery graphs - was Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:46:12 +1000 NeilBrown ne...@suse.de wrote:
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:31:19 +0200 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
h...@goldelico.com wrote:
Hm. That sounds quite different from the situation about 1 year ago when
you did the first releases of QtMoko and I always thought that the
3.7 kernel is working well enough, so that I started to add new features.
Has it become worse since then?
I like drawing graphs. So I did - see attachment.
For the last year or so my GTA04 has been logging the power usage during
suspend for every suspend cycle longer than a few seconds. I do this by
reading the charge_now value from the bq27000 in the battery, comparing the
before and after values, and dividing by the number of seconds.
I currently have my phone configured to wake from suspend every 5 minutes,
check that the modem is still working, and go back to suspend. This has
helped collect quite a lot of values.
To get the graphs I collected all those values, discarded negative numbers
(when the battery was charging) and a few numbers that were clearly
ridiculous (numbers more than 1 amp), and sorted the remainder.
So we get a cumulative frequency graph of different current levels.
The red line ('/tmp/uamp') is for the last couple of days since last reboot.
This is running 3.7 with offmode disabled.
The green line ('tmp/uamp2') is for the last year, running a variety of
different kernels.
Obviously there is a very different number of samples in each. 342 in uamp
10031 in uamp2. So I normalised the X values so the graphs are comparable.
They are much the same shape which suggests the pattern is fairly robust.
The Y axis is microamps.
The green values below 2 (20mA) are with offmode enabled I assume.
The red values are all greater because I have offmode turned off to improve
reliability.
The steps are a bit of a surprise. They are all about 2mA. I don't think
this is an artefact of the precision with which measurements are taken as the
charge value read from the battery has a much higher precision.
I think it must be an actual 2mA difference in (average) current usage.
This could be 2mA more for the whole time, or 4mA more with a 50% duty cycle
etc.
So if we can make off-mode really usable (which possibly means find and fix
some bug in the omap usb code) and if we can find out what is causing these
2mA steps and resolve that, then might might be a little closer to
acceptable power usage.
I might try running for a while with the modem turned off and see what result
I get.
Here are results with modem powered off.
1/ The minimum current is higher!!! without the modem at work. - 28mA rather
than 24mA.
2/ The maximum is much lower. 36mA vs 97mA.
3/ We still see a 2mA step. Most of the values are 30mA or 32mA. A few are
2mA lower, or 2,4,6 mA higher (roughly).
This is very strange. The very rare high values when modem is working are
quite believable. The steps and the high minimum are harder to explain.
Suppose some parallel bi-directional buss ended up in suspend with both ends
driving outputs. Suppose also that if they were driving the same value it
would cause minimal current drain, but if they were driving different values
it would cause 2mA drain on each line that was unbalanced.
Then if the actual output bits on one side were random as we enter suspend,
we would see a range of different multiples of 2mA in current drain.
If this parallel bus were related to the modem, then when the modem wasn't
in use we would see much less variability. But maybe higher average as some
bits might stuck on a bad value.
Now there is a bi-directional bus between the OMAP and the USB PHY. But I
would be very surprised if both (or either) side were driving outputs on
suspend, and I count at least 12 steps in the green line, so it would have to
include the 8 data line and 4 control lines ... which is getting increasingly
unlikely.
I might be able to try holding the PHY in reset during suspend. That should
force all pins to tri-state. However first I think I'll try 15 minute
suspends rather than 5 minute and see if that makes a difference.
Is there another credible explanation for the 2mA steps?
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Re: Battery graphs - was Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone
On Wed 28 August 2013 00:29:18 NeilBrown wrote:
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:46:12 +1000 NeilBrown ne...@suse.de wrote:
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:31:19 +0200 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
h...@goldelico.com wrote:
Hm. That sounds quite different from the situation about 1 year ago
when you did the first releases of QtMoko and I always thought that
the 3.7 kernel is working well enough, so that I started to add new
features.
Has it become worse since then?
I like drawing graphs. So I did - see attachment.
For the last year or so my GTA04 has been logging the power usage during
suspend for every suspend cycle longer than a few seconds. I do this by
reading the charge_now value from the bq27000 in the battery, comparing
the before and after values, and dividing by the number of seconds.
I currently have my phone configured to wake from suspend every 5
minutes, check that the modem is still working, and go back to suspend.
This has helped collect quite a lot of values.
To get the graphs I collected all those values, discarded negative
numbers (when the battery was charging) and a few numbers that were
clearly ridiculous (numbers more than 1 amp), and sorted the remainder.
So we get a cumulative frequency graph of different current levels.
The red line ('/tmp/uamp') is for the last couple of days since last
reboot. This is running 3.7 with offmode disabled.
The green line ('tmp/uamp2') is for the last year, running a variety of
different kernels.
Obviously there is a very different number of samples in each. 342 in
uamp 10031 in uamp2. So I normalised the X values so the graphs are
comparable. They are much the same shape which suggests the pattern is
fairly robust.
The Y axis is microamps.
The green values below 2 (20mA) are with offmode enabled I assume.
The red values are all greater because I have offmode turned off to
improve reliability.
The steps are a bit of a surprise. They are all about 2mA. I don't
think this is an artefact of the precision with which measurements are
taken as the charge value read from the battery has a much higher
precision.
I think it must be an actual 2mA difference in (average) current usage.
This could be 2mA more for the whole time, or 4mA more with a 50% duty
cycle etc.
So if we can make off-mode really usable (which possibly means find and
fix some bug in the omap usb code) and if we can find out what is
causing these 2mA steps and resolve that, then might might be a little
closer to acceptable power usage.
I might try running for a while with the modem turned off and see what
result I get.
Here are results with modem powered off.
1/ The minimum current is higher!!! without the modem at work. - 28mA
rather than 24mA.
2/ The maximum is much lower. 36mA vs 97mA.
3/ We still see a 2mA step. Most of the values are 30mA or 32mA. A few
are 2mA lower, or 2,4,6 mA higher (roughly).
This is very strange. The very rare high values when modem is working are
quite believable. The steps and the high minimum are harder to explain.
Suppose some parallel bi-directional buss ended up in suspend with both
ends driving outputs. Suppose also that if they were driving the same
value it would cause minimal current drain, but if they were driving
different values it would cause 2mA drain on each line that was
unbalanced.
Then if the actual output bits on one side were random as we enter suspend,
we would see a range of different multiples of 2mA in current drain.
If this parallel bus were related to the modem, then when the modem wasn't
in use we would see much less variability. But maybe higher average as
some bits might stuck on a bad value.
Now there is a bi-directional bus between the OMAP and the USB PHY. But I
would be very surprised if both (or either) side were driving outputs on
suspend, and I count at least 12 steps in the green line, so it would have
to include the 8 data line and 4 control lines ... which is getting
increasingly unlikely.
I might be able to try holding the PHY in reset during suspend. That
should force all pins to tri-state. However first I think I'll try 15
minute suspends rather than 5 minute and see if that makes a difference.
Is there another credible explanation for the 2mA steps?
NeilBrown
check ULPI. also check the bus from CPU to musb core. And why would both ends
need to be driven? In my book a 2mA is sth like 1.8V into 1kR termination, for
example
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also check video bus. We know on GTA02 the display used iirc 20mA plus for a black screen. Oh and for the 1kR termination, just driving high a dataline that runs to an unpowered chip will eat quite some current via clamp diodes from input pin to 0V-VDD, often even enough to power the chip ;-D Called reverse feeding /j -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments (alas the above page got scrapped due to resignation(!!), so here some supplementary links:) http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] Battery
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:57 PM, NeilBrown ne...@suse.de wrote: On the GTA04 I just read /sys/class/power_supply/bq27000-battery/charge_full and /sys/class/power_supply/bq27000-battery/charge_full_design and divide one by the other. Does the GTA02 not have something similar? Did anyone ever figure this one out? On my GTA02 (Linux 2.6.34), I see /sys/class/power_supply/battery/charge_full, but no charge_full_design. --B ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] Battery
On Thu 22 August 2013 19:46:05 Ben Wong wrote: On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:57 PM, NeilBrown ne...@suse.de wrote: On the GTA04 I just read /sys/class/power_supply/bq27000-battery/charge_full and /sys/class/power_supply/bq27000-battery/charge_full_design and divide one by the other. Does the GTA02 not have something similar? Did anyone ever figure this one out? On my GTA02 (Linux 2.6.34), I see /sys/class/power_supply/battery/charge_full, but no charge_full_design. --B charge_full_design is usually bogus anyway. bq27000 on gta02 battery has a bogus value for that. On other phones/batteries the 3rd pin is used as BSI (battery size indicator) with a resistor or thermistor to ground. The resistance values also are not defined by any standard and no battery second source manuf adheres to them. So your best bet is to assume whatever you feel is reasonable for battery_full_design, since by no means you can read out reliable reasonable values from hardware /j -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments (alas the above page got scrapped due to resignation(!!), so here some supplementary links:) http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] Battery
On Mon 05 August 2013 15:51:49 Giacomo 'giotti' Mariani wrote:
Hi Radeck, all,
I was reading
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers in order to
estimate the remaining power of my battery (the fraction of the maximum
energy with respect to a new one) and found about bq27k-detail[1] which
doesn't seem to work on any recent distribution (kernel = 2.6.34) I
have on my GTA02.
Do you have any idea why the file
/sys/devices/platform/s3c24xx_pwm.0/hdq.0/hdq/dump disappeared? Is there
another way to achieve the same result of bq27k-detail?
Thanks a lot,
Giacomo
[1]
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers#That_bq27000_ch
ip_seems_to_be_pretty_cool.2C_how_can_i_read_and_understand_its_raw_registe
rs.3F
check http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/ , particularly see how
bq27k-detail2 does
# v1.2 tries to deal with sysfs path changes on OM kernels, and supports N900
directly
by using find and, for N900 ic2tools:
#main
dmppath=`find /sys/devices/ -path '*/hdq/*' -name dump`
if [ x$dmppath != x ]; then
dmpcmd=cat ${1:-${dmppath}}| tr -s '\n ' ' '
else
dmpcmd=i2cdump -y 2 0x55 b|tail -n +2|cut -d ' ' -f 2-17
fi
Alas for GTA02 smart battery there's no way to read out bq27000 via I2C (since
that's onewire/HDQ), but maybe the improved spotting of dump sysnode location
already helps.
If above code runs into the else branch - i.e. didn't find the dump sysnode -
then you might try to modprobe the kernel module that handles the HDQ, as
explained in our battery-FAQ by Paul.
HTH
cheers
jOERG
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Re: [QtMoko] Battery
On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 15:51:49 +0200 Giacomo 'giotti' Mariani giacomomari...@yahoo.it wrote: Hi Radeck, all, I was reading http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers in order to estimate the remaining power of my battery (the fraction of the maximum energy with respect to a new one) and found about bq27k-detail[1] which doesn't seem to work on any recent distribution (kernel = 2.6.34) I have on my GTA02. Do you have any idea why the file /sys/devices/platform/s3c24xx_pwm.0/hdq.0/hdq/dump disappeared? Is there another way to achieve the same result of bq27k-detail? Thanks a lot, Giacomo [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers#That_bq27000_chip_seems_to_be_pretty_cool.2C_how_can_i_read_and_understand_its_raw_registers.3F On the GTA04 I just read /sys/class/power_supply/bq27000-battery/charge_full and /sys/class/power_supply/bq27000-battery/charge_full_design and divide one by the other. Does the GTA02 not have something similar? NeilBrown signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] Battery
On Mon 05 August 2013 22:57:47 NeilBrown wrote: On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 15:51:49 +0200 Giacomo 'giotti' Mariani giacomomari...@yahoo.it wrote: Hi Radeck, all, I was reading http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers in order to estimate the remaining power of my battery (the fraction of the maximum energy with respect to a new one) and found about bq27k-detail[1] which doesn't seem to work on any recent distribution (kernel = 2.6.34) I have on my GTA02. Do you have any idea why the file /sys/devices/platform/s3c24xx_pwm.0/hdq.0/hdq/dump disappeared? Is there another way to achieve the same result of bq27k-detail? Thanks a lot, Giacomo [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers#That_bq27000_ chip_seems_to_be_pretty_cool.2C_how_can_i_read_and_understand_its_raw_reg isters.3F On the GTA04 I just read /sys/class/power_supply/bq27000-battery/charge_full and /sys/class/power_supply/bq27000-battery/charge_full_design and divide one by the other. Does the GTA02 not have something similar? NeilBrown I'm not sure charge_full_design is correctly flashed to the bq27000 in gat02- smartbattery. Anyway problems of OP are most likely from changes in kernel sysfs pathnames. /j -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments (alas the above page got scrapped due to resignation(!!), so here some supplementary links:) http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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If I put my new, unused GTA04 board in my freerunner, what sort of battery life do I expect? How many hours for phone on standby, bluetooth and wireless off, GPS off to give a meaningful figure? And, will the battery charge from any USB 5V input (instead of never fully charge except off the mains charger?) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: battery life?
Am 31.03.2013 09:36, schrieb Liz: If I put my new, unused GTA04 board in my freerunner, what sort of battery life do I expect? How many hours for phone on standby, bluetooth and wireless off, GPS off to give a meaningful figure? And, will the battery charge from any USB 5V input (instead of never fully charge except off the mains charger?) Hi Liz, you can find a summary of power-usage information here: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-kernel/page/Power-Management/ The battery has a capacity of about 1200mAh, so you can calculate the battery life for your specific use case. Lukas signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: battery life?
On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 09:50:04 +0200 Lukas Märdian l...@slyon.de wrote: Am 31.03.2013 09:36, schrieb Liz: If I put my new, unused GTA04 board in my freerunner, what sort of battery life do I expect? How many hours for phone on standby, bluetooth and wireless off, GPS off to give a meaningful figure? And, will the battery charge from any USB 5V input (instead of never fully charge except off the mains charger?) Hi Liz, you can find a summary of power-usage information here: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-kernel/page/Power-Management/ The battery has a capacity of about 1200mAh, so you can calculate the battery life for your specific use case. Lukas Thanks Lukas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 boot without battery
On 01/02/2013 07:44 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 02.01.2013 um 13:30 schrieb Benjamin Deering: My gta02, or possibly the bare board I removed to convert my GTA04 is getting a new job as a wifi audio forwarder to let me play music over my hifi wirelessly. I would like to remove the battery from this phone once it is set up to prevent damage to the battery and to free up another battery for long trips. Both of my GTA02s are A5 with buzzfix. It sounds like A7 had a change to allow it to boot without a battery. Does anyone know what the change is and if it is something I could apply myself? I am going to be doing the bass-fix and it would be nice to fix this at the same time. I think it is C1767 on page 4: http://downloads.openmoko.org/developer/schematics/GTA02/Schematics_Freerunner-GTA02_A5-A7cumulative_public_RC0.pdf Thanks, that looks reasonable. Before I can try it I need to get some parts to build a capacitance meter so I can find some appropriate caps in my junk bin. Ben Thanks, Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Re: GTA02 boot without battery
Am 02.01.2013 um 13:30 schrieb Benjamin Deering: My gta02, or possibly the bare board I removed to convert my GTA04 is getting a new job as a wifi audio forwarder to let me play music over my hifi wirelessly. I would like to remove the battery from this phone once it is set up to prevent damage to the battery and to free up another battery for long trips. Both of my GTA02s are A5 with buzzfix. It sounds like A7 had a change to allow it to boot without a battery. Does anyone know what the change is and if it is something I could apply myself? I am going to be doing the bass-fix and it would be nice to fix this at the same time. I think it is C1767 on page 4: http://downloads.openmoko.org/developer/schematics/GTA02/Schematics_Freerunner-GTA02_A5-A7cumulative_public_RC0.pdf Thanks, Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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hi ben, sounds like a very interesting and useful project for an old freerunner board. Do you have a blog set up to follow your steps/success? that would be great. best regards and happy new year you and this extremely innovative community! robin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: battery
Il 20/12/2012 13:08, Christoph Pulster ha scritto: I stock 1000x original Openmoko batteries (inventory taken over from Openmoko Twaian), which should last for the next five years. Besides this I already have worked out a 100% compatible rebuilt (made in Germany quality, no cheap China cells). Sorry I didn't understand well. The performance of an original battery (say it was built a couple of years ago) is it unchanged or is it affected by the time spent? Wich one do you recommend, an original battery or a rebuilt one? Are you selling the rebuilt one? Regards Joif ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: battery
as far as I know, all lithium-ion batteries wear over time, also if you just pile them up in your wardrobe. temperature seems to be an issue and if they have ever deep discharged which is somehow damaging them. so I don't know if the intelligence in the original batteries has some algorythm to recover which would make it still preferable to any cheap rebuild. br robin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: battery
On 12/20/2012 01:08 PM, Christoph Pulster wrote: Mr Pulster, Mr Schaller have either of you looked into this by any chance? Good point, thanks. I stock 1000x original Openmoko batteries (inventory taken over from Openmoko Twaian), which should last for the next five years. Besides this I already have worked out a 100% compatible rebuilt (made in Germany quality, no cheap China cells). So the issue Openmoko batteries is solved from my side. Christoph Hi Christoph, That's nice to hear! Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
On Fri, 2012-10-12 at 00:11 +0200, David Garabana Barro wrote: O Xoves, 4 de Outubro de 2012, Timo Juhani Lindfors escribiu: David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com writes: I've read about http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2349, but it should be fixed in qtmoko's 2.6.34, isn't it? Yes. Any clue on this? Can you measure the power consumption please? With and without GSM. After changing u-boot with qi, battery standby time is far better. It seems gennady's u-boot still have some bugs... Thanks you all for the help -- David Garabana Barro jabber google talk ID: da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html Hi David, Could you please post the current_now measurements with the qi bootloader? Kind regards, Ed ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi, David others, Bugs fixed in u-boot i posted were directly related to suspend power consumption. It should be fine with latest u-boot posted on the page. Right now i am using FR (my n900 seem a bit died, needs investigation why it can't boot). My FR with qtmoko seem has proper power consumption, through i am using nokia battery now and have no time now to measure consumption with multimeter. Gennady. В Птн, 12/10/2012 в 00:11 +0200, David Garabana Barro пишет: O Xoves, 4 de Outubro de 2012, Timo Juhani Lindfors escribiu: David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com writes: I've read about http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2349, but it should be fixed in qtmoko's 2.6.34, isn't it? Yes. Any clue on this? Can you measure the power consumption please? With and without GSM. After changing u-boot with qi, battery standby time is far better. It seems gennady's u-boot still have some bugs... Thanks you all for the help -- David Garabana Barro jabber google talk ID: da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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O Xoves, 4 de Outubro de 2012, Timo Juhani Lindfors escribiu: David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com writes: I've read about http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2349, but it should be fixed in qtmoko's 2.6.34, isn't it? Yes. Any clue on this? Can you measure the power consumption please? With and without GSM. After changing u-boot with qi, battery standby time is far better. It seems gennady's u-boot still have some bugs... Thanks you all for the help -- David Garabana Barro jabber google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com writes: And I'm wondering, if suspended, it won't log anything, won't it? current_now has a lag of about 20 seconds. If you read it right after resume you can get suspend consumption. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
O Xoves, 4 de Outubro de 2012, Timo Juhani Lindfors escribiu: David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com writes: Any clue on this? Can you measure the power consumption please? With and without GSM. For these tests I flashed Qi from qtmoko repositories, so we can discard any problem with u-boot. GSM on: On battery and display at 80% [1] brightness: ~200-210 mA On battery and display dimmed: ~130-135 mA On battery and display off: ~120-130 mA On resume: ~12-18 mA Being timeouts configured as: Dim:1 m Display off:3 m Suspend:5 m And using this script: while true; do echo `date` `cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/current_now` /var/log/power.log; sleep 5; done This is the output of script in a full cycle (only pasting changes in current_now values) Sun Oct 7 10:39:59 CEST 2012 200250 [..] Sun Oct 7 10:40:45 CEST 2012 200250 Sun Oct 7 10:40:50 CEST 2012 134062 [..] Sun Oct 7 10:41:35 CEST 2012 134062 Sun Oct 7 10:41:40 CEST 2012 131437 [..] Sun Oct 7 10:42:26 CEST 2012 131437 Sun Oct 7 10:42:31 CEST 2012 128250 [..] Sun Oct 7 10:43:16 CEST 2012 128250 Sun Oct 7 10:43:22 CEST 2012 123375 [..] Sun Oct 7 10:44:07 CEST 2012 123375 Sun Oct 7 10:44:12 CEST 2012 122250 [..] Sun Oct 7 10:44:32 CEST 2012 122250 Sun Oct 7 10:54:16 CEST 2012 12750 Does these valules seem ok for you? Is it normal so little difference (~10mA) between dimmed display and powered off display? Now, I want to do tests with GSM powered off. For this, is it enough if I boot without inserted SIM card? [1] Default qtmoko on-battery max brightness -- David Garabana Barro jabber google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
O Domingo, 7 de Outubro de 2012, Radek Polak escribiu: On Sunday, October 07, 2012 06:52:42 AM David Garabana Barro wrote: Maybe stupid questions - but do you have USB cable connected? In this case it will not suspend. On battery it should suspend after configured interval. You can try lock the home screen - the preconfigured interval in this case is 10s. I asked this before Timo's answer. Now I know I can read it from current_now just after waking up. As you say, it would be better to have charge_now, but by the moment this is an acceptable approximation... -- David Garabana Barro jabber google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
O Domingo, 7 de Outubro de 2012, David Garabana Barro escribiu: O Xoves, 4 de Outubro de 2012, Timo Juhani Lindfors escribiu: David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com writes: Any clue on this? Can you measure the power consumption please? With and without GSM. Now, I want to do tests with GSM powered off. For this, is it enough if I boot without inserted SIM card? I answer myself. Booting without SIM card does no change power consumption at all, so it seems qtmoko powers on GSM with or without SIM inserted. So I've made as suggested by gennady in bug report: cd /sys/bus/platform/devices echo 1 gta02-pm-gsm.0/power_on echo 0 gta02-pm-gsm.0/power_on And now I can see a difference in power consumption, BUT it seems qtmoko won't suspend if you poweroff GSM :( GSM off: On battery and display at 80% [1] brightness: 197 mA On battery and display dimmed: 123 mA On battery and display off: 117 mA On resume: ?? mA There are almost not deviations in power consumption with GSM powered off, which I suppose is normal. Being timeouts configured as: Dim:1 m Display off:3 m Suspend:5 m And using the same script as before This is the output of script in a full cycle (only pasting changes in current_now values) Sun Oct 7 13:55:22 CEST 2012 199875 [..] Sun Oct 7 13:56:08 CEST 2012 199875 Sun Oct 7 13:56:13 CEST 2012 124687 [..] Sun Oct 7 13:57:49 CEST 2012 124687 Sun Oct 7 13:57:54 CEST 2012 118500 -- David Garabana Barro jabber google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
O Venres, 5 de Outubro de 2012, Giacomo 'giotti' Mariani escribiu: Anyway, a strange thinks happened. In the last few days my QtMoko lightning icon started saying number/0mA, where number is an integer reasonably representing the consumption (negative if charging). Same here. Cant read last suspend current, it's allways 0. -- David Garabana Barro jabber google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
O Xoves, 4 de Outubro de 2012, Radek Polak escribiu: On Thursday, October 04, 2012 09:04:00 AM David Garabana Barro wrote: O Xoves, 4 de Outubro de 2012, Timo Juhani Lindfors escribiu: David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com writes: I've read about http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2349, but it should be fixed in qtmoko's 2.6.34, isn't it? Yes. Thanks Can you measure the power consumption please? With and without GSM. How can I do it? Is there any wiki page about it? The trac ticket you are reffering to has commands how to do it. Besides QtMoko has the information about current consumption on the home screen (near the lightning icon e.g. 300/12mA which means 300mA now, 12mA in last suspend). And finally you can even read the current_now sysfs file. I'm trying with #!/bin/sh while true do cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/current_now /var/log/power.log sleep 1 done but if running the script, qtmoko won't enter suspend And I'm wondering, if suspended, it won't log anything, won't it? Sorry if an obvious question, but how can I measure suspended current draw? btw, I'm using latest gennady's u-boot, and it seems to still poweron gps... -- David Garabana Barro jabber google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
O Domingo, 7 de Outubro de 2012, David Garabana Barro escribiu: btw, I'm using latest gennady's u-boot, and it seems to still poweron gps... I wasn't using gennady's u-boot. I have just flashed it, I'll try it and post results. -- David Garabana Barro jabber google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
Hello! If you enable deep sleep the values should be something like 10..12mA I've just seen yesterday that this option was unchecked on my GTA02 and now suspend current is between 10..12mA too instead of 25mA. As I've seen on openmoko.org deep sleep seems related to the #1024 (so the gsm suspend). Does this option only suspend the GSM or also wifi/bluetooth (I don't know if it's the case with a simple suspend) ? Does this bug and fix are also existing on GTA04 or that was solved by Golden Delicious ? Regards, Adrien ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
On Friday, October 05, 2012 09:59:55 AM Adrien Dorsaz wrote: I've just seen yesterday that this option was unchecked on my GTA02 and now suspend current is between 10..12mA too instead of 25mA. Great, this looks good now. Btw it's unchecked by default because not all HW have deep sleep fixed and on non fixed it would make problems. As I've seen on openmoko.org deep sleep seems related to the #1024 (so the gsm suspend). Does this option only suspend the GSM or also wifi/bluetooth (I don't know if it's the case with a simple suspend) ? Wifi and bluetooth are IIRC turned off before going to sleep. Wifi has wake-on- wlan function but this has to be explicitly turned on. Does this bug and fix are also existing on GTA04 or that was solved by Golden Delicious ? GTA04 has different modem. IIRC i havent seen power consumption numbers for the modem. I havent found any AT commands for deep sleep - it's quite likely that the modem does this automatically. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
Hello Everyone, The trac ticket you are reffering to has commands how to do it. Besides QtMoko has the information about current consumption on the home screen (near the lightning icon e.g. 300/12mA which means 300mA now, 12mA in last suspend). And finally you can even read the current_now sysfs file. My freerunner, usually last in suspend between one and two days, depending on the weather (I think the quality of the GSM signal). Anyway, a strange thinks happened. In the last few days my QtMoko lightning icon started saying number/0mA, where number is an integer reasonably representing the consumption (negative if charging). But the last suspend is always 0. (Maybe, it started after the last update of the theme via apt, but I'm not sure.) Could it be due to the breaking of the soldering of #1024 fix? I did not check if the soldering is still there, but recently, a few times, when exiting from the suspend, I see the no network and searching from network icons. If you enable deep sleep the values should be something like 10..12mA Previously I had that value shown. Regards Radek Cheers, Giacomo -- ## giacomo 'giotti' mariani gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-key 0x99bfa859 O ASCII ribbon campaign: stop HTML mail www.asciiribbon.org ## ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com writes: I've read about http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2349, but it should be fixed in qtmoko's 2.6.34, isn't it? Yes. Any clue on this? Can you measure the power consumption please? With and without GSM. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
On Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:05:35 AM David Garabana Barro wrote: Any clue on this? Is this standby time normal for this version? What is your standby time? I am not regulary using GTA02 anymore, but i charged my GTA02 with original openmoko battery and left it on my table on Thursday. When i came from small holidays on Sunday and pressed POWER button it woke up. So 3 days in suspend should be normal. But i have never had dumb battery so cant help much here. The original openmoko battery has the advantage, that you immediately see if something is wrong. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
O Xoves, 4 de Outubro de 2012, Radek Polak escribiu: Is this standby time normal for this version? What is your standby time? But i have never had dumb battery so cant help much here. The original openmoko battery has the advantage, that you immediately see if something is wrong. All my batteries are original, not dumb. I've bough it at pulster.de, Christoph still sells them -- David Garabana Barro jabber google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
O Xoves, 4 de Outubro de 2012, Timo Juhani Lindfors escribiu: David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com writes: I've read about http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2349, but it should be fixed in qtmoko's 2.6.34, isn't it? Yes. Thanks Can you measure the power consumption please? With and without GSM. How can I do it? Is there any wiki page about it? -- David Garabana Barro jabber google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
On Thursday, October 04, 2012 09:04:00 AM David Garabana Barro wrote: O Xoves, 4 de Outubro de 2012, Timo Juhani Lindfors escribiu: David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com writes: I've read about http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2349, but it should be fixed in qtmoko's 2.6.34, isn't it? Yes. Thanks Can you measure the power consumption please? With and without GSM. How can I do it? Is there any wiki page about it? The trac ticket you are reffering to has commands how to do it. Besides QtMoko has the information about current consumption on the home screen (near the lightning icon e.g. 300/12mA which means 300mA now, 12mA in last suspend). And finally you can even read the current_now sysfs file. If you enable deep sleep the values should be something like 10..12mA Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com writes: How can I do it? Is there any wiki page about it? The bug report that you linked to talks about different ways to do that. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
Hi I've finally gave up with SHR. Around 2010 June-July, I had a mostly stable daily phone, rock solid gps, really great battery life (#1024 fixed, 3-4 days standby time), and I was very very happy. But since then, my sd card sttoped working realibly, my phone doesn't wake up from suspend, gps intermitently fails, and I cannot say about battery life, because it's almost impossible to last 1 day without a freeze... In late 2011 I had a baby, and I left Neo unused for a while. I had no time to fight with so many problems. I was using a dumb phone as my daily phone, and giving all my time to my baby :) Now I want to use FR again, and give qtmoko a chance. I'm really surprised with the state of all functions. Almost everything works flawlessly, new theme is AMAZING, I can even use my own WPA2 home wifi. Last time I got it working with neo was with FDOM (LOOONG time ago). SD card works again (I'm booting qtmoko from sd card, so I can say it works completely stable). I'm very happy... but with battery life. Usually I get only about 12 hours standby time, and many less if I use it a little. My Neo is #1024 fixed, I have activated deep sleep both in neocontrol and in /opt/qtmoko/etc/default/Trolltech/Modem.conf [1] I've read about http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2349, but it should be fixed in qtmoko's 2.6.34, isn't it? Any clue on this? Is this standby time normal for this version? What is your standby time? P.S. I have two brand new batteries, so you can discard a broken battery... [1] http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/qtmoko/index.php?title=FAQ#How_about_power_save_of_Calypso.2C_the_GSM_modem_- _bug_.231024 -- David Garabana Barro jabber google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
On 10/04/2012 12:05 AM, David Garabana Barro wrote: Hi I've finally gave up with SHR. Around 2010 June-July, I had a mostly stable daily phone, rock solid gps, really great battery life (#1024 fixed, 3-4 days standby time), and I was very very happy. But since then, my sd card sttoped working realibly, my phone doesn't wake up from suspend, gps intermitently fails, and I cannot say about battery life, because it's almost impossible to last 1 day without a freeze... In late 2011 I had a baby, and I left Neo unused for a while. I had no time to fight with so many problems. I was using a dumb phone as my daily phone, and giving all my time to my baby :) Now I want to use FR again, and give qtmoko a chance. I'm really surprised with the state of all functions. Almost everything works flawlessly, new theme is AMAZING, I can even use my own WPA2 home wifi. Last time I got it working with neo was with FDOM (LOOONG time ago). SD card works again (I'm booting qtmoko from sd card, so I can say it works completely stable). I'm very happy... but with battery life. Usually I get only about 12 hours standby time, and many less if I use it a little. My Neo is #1024 fixed, I have activated deep sleep both in neocontrol and in /opt/qtmoko/etc/default/Trolltech/Modem.conf [1] I've read about http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2349, but it should be fixed in qtmoko's 2.6.34, isn't it? Any clue on this? Is this standby time normal for this version? What is your standby time? P.S. I have two brand new batteries, so you can discard a broken battery... [1] http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/qtmoko/index.php?title=FAQ#How_about_power_save_of_Calypso.2C_the_GSM_modem_-_bug_.231024 -- David Garabana Barro jabber google talk ID: da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html Hi David, I had the same reason for swap to QTmoko from SHR some weeks before. I found it very stable and usable. Thanks to all developers. My standby times vary - but usually without touching it it's somewhere around 24 hours and probably more. I am on the way to play with that deep sleep of GSM modem and can share my findings (I do not have deep sleep enabled yet). -- Peter Viskup ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: battery with replaced protection circuit module
Dnia 2012-08-31, pią o godzinie 04:38 +0100, Dmitry Shalnoff pisze: Hi colleagues, I've got the idea to get the circuit form my old GTA2 battery and solder it on the new LiPo (non original) battery to get back full functionality. [cut] Hi Dmitry, I think your idea is enough interesting to start new thread for it on ML, instead of replying to some other topic. -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QtMoko] New non original battery
Hi colleagues, I've got fresh new battery replacement (Garmin GPS Mobile 10x 1100 mAh Li-ion) form ebay. Everything works fine and predictable. Current strength is not reported :) But, is there any method to switch charging indicator off? and, maybe, force it to show real capacity? as far as I know that is not an issue of the battery itself, it could be measured my the external ADC? no? NB. I have been following this instruction to unbind unnecessary driver and install dumb-one http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers#Using_compatible_batteries_with_gta02 Dmitry ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
battery with replaced protection circuit module
Hi colleagues, I've got the idea to get the circuit form my old GTA2 battery and solder it on the new LiPo (non original) battery to get back full functionality. I've learned the circuit scheme and data-sheet http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/hardware/GTA02/CT-GTA02.pdf and found that there are no special requirements concerning the battery itself. S8211CAB-I6T1G data-sheet has nothing like this too. The questions are: 1. is it possible theoretically replace body of the battery and resolder the old protection board on it? 2. is anybody had this sort of experience ever? thank you in advance for any hints. Dmitry ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Freerunner looses the date when battery is away for short time
Hello, When I remove the battery from my FR, for example to change the SIM, it looses now(?) the date in hwclock and starts with 01.01.2000; I have to set the date and time again with root@om-gta02 ~ # ntpdate -b ntps1-0.cs.tu-berlin.de 9 Apr 08:47:01 ntpdate[842]: step time server 130.149.17.21 offset 387268904.770664 sec root@om-gta02 ~ # hwclock --systohc root@om-gta02 ~ # date Mon Apr 9 08:47:16 CEST 2012 I don't remember if this was so from the beginning, though; isn't the power for the hwclock backed-up for some time even without battery? This is with SHR if it does matter, but I don't think so. Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ UNIX since V7 on PDP-11 | UNIX on mainframe since ESER 1055 (IBM /370) UNIX on x86 since SVR4.2 UnixWare 2.1.2 | FreeBSD since 2.2.5 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner looses the date when battery is away for short time
Am 09.04.2012 08:59, schrieb Matthias Apitz: When I remove the battery from my FR, for example to change the SIM, it looses now(?) the date in hwclock and starts with 01.01.2000; I have to set the date and time again with ... matthias That seems to be normal. My FR also looses time when the battery is removed for a short time. Idea: Buffer it with USB-Power? -- Frank ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner looses the date when battery is away for short time
Frank píše v Po 09. 04. 2012 v 10:02 +0200: Am 09.04.2012 08:59, schrieb Matthias Apitz: When I remove the battery from my FR, for example to change the SIM, it looses now(?) the date in hwclock and starts with 01.01.2000; I have to set the date and time again with ... matthias That seems to be normal. My FR also looses time when the battery is removed for a short time. AFAIR there is a backup (button cell) battery on the FR mainboard. PS .. My FR keeps date, time and all the settings after replacing SIM or SD card... Idea: Buffer it with USB-Power? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner looses the date when battery is away for short time
Hi, your backup baterry is probably dead. Have you read (1)? Pinkava J. (1) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_RTC_backup_battery Dne 9.4.2012 11:38, Hrabosh napsal(a): Frank píše v Po 09. 04. 2012 v 10:02 +0200: Am 09.04.2012 08:59, schrieb Matthias Apitz: When I remove the battery from my FR, for example to change the SIM, it looses now(?) the date in hwclock and starts with 01.01.2000; I have to set the date and time again with ... matthias That seems to be normal. My FR also looses time when the battery is removed for a short time. AFAIR there is a backup (button cell) battery on the FR mainboard. PS .. My FR keeps date, time and all the settings after replacing SIM or SD card... Idea: Buffer it with USB-Power? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Debian sid, openmoko-panel-plugin: battery dbus broken and abnormal CPU usage
Hi to all, after a recent upgrade the battery icon on the openmoko-panel-plugin stopped to work. It seems that the dbus interface changed from: mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced \ /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerSupply/battery \ org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply.GetInfo to this one: mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced \ /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerSupply/3 \ org.freesmartphone.Info.GetInfo Is it normal or something is messed with my dbus/fso settings? Also i see an high CPU usage by openmoko-panel-plugin and fsodeviced, but may be it is caused by the panel querying the wrong dbus interface. Here are the packages I installed: linux-image-2.6.34-openmoko-gta02 20101212.git049b71de-2 dbus 1.4.16-1 fso-config-gta02 20100210 fso-deviced 0.9.5+git20110805-1 fso-deviced-openmoko 0.9.5+git20110805-1 fso-frameworkd0.9.5.9+git20110512-2 fso-usaged0.9.5+git20110805-2 openmoko-panel-plugin 0.12-1 -- Niccolo Rigacci Firenze - Italy Tel. ufficio: 055-0118525 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA-02 Replacement Battery
Is the BL-5C still the best replacement for the battery on the GTA-02? Does the BL-6C also work? Anything better or more current easily available? -- Iain B. Findleton 514-457-0744 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA-02 Replacement Battery
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:54:34 -0400 Iain B. Findleton ifindle...@videotron.ca wrote: Is the BL-5C still the best replacement for the battery on the GTA-02? Does the BL-6C also work? Yes both of them work the BL-5C is slightly thinner than the BL-6C and offers less capacity[1]. I've used BL-4/5/6C and all work fine with a the caveat of needing to use the dumb battery kernel module for charging[2] while in a Freerunner. Anything better or more current easily available? Not that I'm aware of, maybe someone else on the list has suggestions though. Brian [1]http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers#What_batteries_can_be_used_with_gta01_and_gta02.3F [2]http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers#Using_compatible_batteries_with_gta02 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Very high capacity battery for GTA02
On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 16:11:25 +0200 Eric Smith e...@fruitcom.com (ES) wrote: Hi Has any one experience with or suggestions for a very high capacity battery for the GTA02? I want to use the device as a remote tracking device and with good power management and high capacity battery want to deliver 3 weeks life. from what has been said i think i remember that the gps chip is able to run and record into it's internal memory while the device is suspended. if this was possible, i can imagine that one could wake up the cpu, fetch the collected data, store on uSD and go to sleep again. still, the stand by time is not that much: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/StandbyLifetime Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Very high capacity battery for GTA02
Hi Has any one experience with or suggestions for a very high capacity battery for the GTA02? I want to use the device as a remote tracking device and with good power management and high capacity battery want to deliver 3 weeks life. Thanks -- - Eric Smith ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Very high capacity battery for GTA02
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 16:11, Eric Smith e...@fruitcom.com wrote: Hi Has any one experience with or suggestions for a very high capacity battery for the GTA02? I want to use the device as a remote tracking device and with good power management and high capacity battery want to deliver 3 weeks life. Thanks -- - Eric Smith ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community First of all, the GTA02 doesn't have great power management, also due to a number of hardware bugs. So a efficient stand-alone tracker will certainly do much better. However, without display and so on it can be doable - but not by any standard battery that fits in the case. Cheapest way is probably a standard 4.5V alkaline battery at 6 Ah, should be enough for just about 3 weeks, doesn't even need any additional electronics for a quick'n'dirty solution. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some newbee questions about Qtmoko, navit, Vodafone GPRS and battery capacity
Ok, the battery problem is gone and navit is working. The last problem, GPRS connection with German Vodafone network, is partially solved. I had started the QtMoko which was installed on NAND (there the dialup- file was created by QtMoko). I copied and renamed the file and rebooted from sd-card. The content of /etc/ppp/peers/dialup1310986139 is: --- 115200 lcp-echo-failure 0 lcp-echo-interval 0 novj nobsdcomp novjccomp nopcomp noaccomp crtscts ipcp-accept-local noipdefault modem user vodafone demand idle 120 defaultroute connect-delay 7 remotename dialup1310986139 --- Now I am able to dial in to the Vodafone network. I set GPRS- connection to default gateway, but I can not get any webpage in Aurora or any other data (ex. pings on console). If I type in ifdown usb0 (not connected to PC!), then I can surf in web!?! Is this ok? Is there an better easier solution? The route- command shows two default gateways (I think this is the problem) and any ping s were done by using usb0- device...strange. If I switch of the usb0- device, the route entry of usb0 is automatically deleted and after ifup usb0 this entry is created again and getting data via usb0 is possible. -- Kind regaards Sebastian Reinhardt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some newbee questions about Qtmoko, navit, Vodafone GPRS and battery capacity
[cut] The content of /etc/ppp/peers/dialup1310986139 is: --- 115200 lcp-echo-failure 0 lcp-echo-interval 0 novj nobsdcomp novjccomp nopcomp noaccomp I think most of operator uses at least one of compression methods to save bandwidth. Turning off these options is unwise. [cut] defaultroute This command tells pppd to add your vodafone PPP connection as default route. connect-delay 7 remotename dialup1310986139 --- Now I am able to dial in to the Vodafone network. I set GPRS- connection to default gateway This should be done earlier by pppd, thus not necessary. , but I can not get any webpage in Aurora or any other data (ex. pings on console). If I type in ifdown usb0 (not connected to PC! ), then I can surf in web!?! Is this ok? No. Set up routing correctly. PPP scripts allow to start commands on creating and destroying PPP connection. Is there an better easier solution? The route- command shows two default gateways (I think this is the problem) you are correct. There should be only one default GW. and any ping s were done by using usb0- device...strange. If I switch of the usb0- device, the route entry of usb0 is automatically deleted Are you sure. Few lines above you have mentioned, that you have two GW... anyway, I would avoid setting up routing to your PC host via usb0 interface as a default route. Use static route instead. -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some newbee questions about Qtmoko, navit, Vodafone GPRS and battery capacity
Patryk Benderz, Jul. 25, 2011, 14:42 +0200: and any ping s were done by using usb0- device...strange. If I switch of the usb0- device, the route entry of usb0 is automatically deleted Are you sure. Few lines above you have mentioned, that you have two GW... anyway, I would avoid setting up routing to your PC host via usb0 interface as a default route. Use static route instead. I would suggest simply setting the metric of the default route via usb0 to, say, 10. -- Dmitry Chistikov ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some newbee questions about Qtmoko, navit, Vodafone GPRS and battery capacity
[cut] But now, the GPRS problem is still unsolved. Can anybody give me an hint/ suggestion? Please cut citations - there is no need to resend all this. Is this a new SIM card? Did you use it in another phone? -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some newbee questions about Qtmoko, navit, Vodafone GPRS and battery capacity
Am 20.07.2011 13:41, schrieb Sebastian Reinhardt: Am 18.07.2011 16:39, schrieb Martix: 2011/7/18 Sebastian Reinhardts...@lmv-hartmannsdorf.de: Am 18.07.2011 10:04, schrieb Radek Polak: Sebastian Reinhardt wrote: 3. If I switch off all radio, exccept the gsm, the battery is unloaded during night (8-9h). Is this OK or is the battery broken (due to long storage time at Handheld Linux)? You need to suspend the phone. This can be done with POWER button or better lock the sceen in QtMoko home screen. Yes. I have done this. Example: yesterday evening, the phone was fully charged and I choose power off gps power off wifi and power off bluetooth. I locked the screen before going to bed. Today in the morning (7-8h later) the battery symbol was showing only one bar. Sometimes I got the alert of an critical battery level, but not today. So I think, anything is not ok. :-( Didn't you enabled GSM deep sleep mode on FR without recamping fix? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM_oscillating_between_registered_and_not_registered_aka_1024 Anyway, check if GSM deep sleep is disabled. There should be an option for this in NeoControl. Best Regards, Martix ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Ok, I have activated Depp sleep- option in Neocontrol and now battery is discharging slower. The problem with connecting to Vodafone GPRS and also with navit is still there.:-( I downloaded the latest version of navit and used an new navit.xml- file. Now navit works (I think, I deleted the section with html definition of the subpages?!?)! It seems that the deep sleep- option solved the battery problem. But now, the GPRS problem is still unsolved. Can anybody give me an hint/ suggestion? -- Kind regaards Sebastian Reinhardt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some newbee questions about Qtmoko, navit, Vodafone GPRS and battery capacity
Am 18.07.2011 16:39, schrieb Martix: 2011/7/18 Sebastian Reinhardts...@lmv-hartmannsdorf.de: Am 18.07.2011 10:04, schrieb Radek Polak: Sebastian Reinhardt wrote: 3. If I switch off all radio, exccept the gsm, the battery is unloaded during night (8-9h). Is this OK or is the battery broken (due to long storage time at Handheld Linux)? You need to suspend the phone. This can be done with POWER button or better lock the sceen in QtMoko home screen. Yes. I have done this. Example: yesterday evening, the phone was fully charged and I choose power off gps power off wifi and power off bluetooth. I locked the screen before going to bed. Today in the morning (7-8h later) the battery symbol was showing only one bar. Sometimes I got the alert of an critical battery level, but not today. So I think, anything is not ok. :-( Didn't you enabled GSM deep sleep mode on FR without recamping fix? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM_oscillating_between_registered_and_not_registered_aka_1024 Anyway, check if GSM deep sleep is disabled. There should be an option for this in NeoControl. Best Regards, Martix ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Ok, I have activated Depp sleep- option in Neocontrol and now battery is discharging slower. The problem with connecting to Vodafone GPRS and also with navit is still there.:-( -- Kind regaards Sebastian Reinhardt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some newbee questions about Qtmoko, navit, Vodafone GPRS and battery capacity
Sebastian Reinhardt wrote: 2. I tried to use Vodafone GPRS (Germany). But this did not work! I get a failure notice, that file /etc/ppp/peers/dialup1310463241 was not found. I found an example file in /usr/share/doc/ppp/examples called peers-gprs. But I am not sure about the config entries in this file and if I need another files.So has anybody an working Vodafone configuration for Germany and can tell me someting about the correct entries in these files? I made the config with the Qtmoko GUI, but these file(s) are missing :-( It should be possible to configure GPRS with the GUI. You need to fill APN and sometimes also dummy username and password. 3. If I switch off all radio, exccept the gsm, the battery is unloaded during night (8-9h). Is this OK or is the battery broken (due to long storage time at Handheld Linux)? You need to suspend the phone. This can be done with POWER button or better lock the sceen in QtMoko home screen. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some newbee questions about Qtmoko, navit, Vodafone GPRS, and battery capacity
Hello, 3. If I switch off all radio, exccept the gsm, the battery is unloaded during night (8-9h). Is this OK or is the battery broken (due to long storage time at Handheld Linux)? You need to suspend the phone. This can be done with POWER button or better lock the sceen in QtMoko home screen. Regards Radek I also suggest you, if it is not what you do, to look at the status of the radios with om, just tobe sure ;-) Regards Giacomo -- ## giacomo 'giotti' mariani gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-key 0x99bfa859 O ASCII ribbon campaign: stop HTML mail www.asciiribbon.org ## ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some newbee questions about Qtmoko, navit, Vodafone GPRS and battery capacity
Am 18.07.2011 10:04, schrieb Radek Polak: Sebastian Reinhardt wrote: 2. I tried to use Vodafone GPRS (Germany). But this did not work! I get a failure notice, that file /etc/ppp/peers/dialup1310463241 was not found. I found an example file in /usr/share/doc/ppp/examples called peers-gprs. But I am not sure about the config entries in this file and if I need another files.So has anybody an working Vodafone configuration for Germany and can tell me someting about the correct entries in these files? I made the config with the Qtmoko GUI, but these file(s) are missing :-( It should be possible to configure GPRS with the GUI. You need to fill APN and sometimes also dummy username and password. I have done it wit the gui, but then the described file was missing and I got no gprs connection (aborts immediately after pressing connect). After deleting and configuring again, the failure notice is still there. Please take a look at: http://scap.linuxtogo.org; id=4090 (uploaded screenshot of qtmoko config dialog) /var/log/messages is showing this line: -- Jul 18 12:53:17 neo Qtopia: /usr/sbin/pppd: Can't open options file /etc/ppp/peers/dialup1310986139: No such file or directory -- In /etc/ppp/peers/ is only an file called provider! The name of dialup- file is changed, is this correct? 3. If I switch off all radio, exccept the gsm, the battery is unloaded during night (8-9h). Is this OK or is the battery broken (due to long storage time at Handheld Linux)? You need to suspend the phone. This can be done with POWER button or better lock the sceen in QtMoko home screen. Yes. I have done this. Example: yesterday evening, the phone was fully charged and I choose power off gps power off wifi and power off bluetooth. I locked the screen before going to bed. Today in the morning (7-8h later) the battery symbol was showing only one bar. Sometimes I got the alert of an critical battery level, but not today. So I think, anything is not ok. :-( Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Alos, I have installed navit with apt-get. Now I get connection to gpsd and the position is displayed. But I got a new problem: If I tab on the map, to get the access to navit's menu, navit is crashing. Staring navit eith QX shows this log-messages: --- (II) verbosity set to 5 Jul 18 12:16:31 neo Qtopia: Using GLAMO 3362 card Jul 18 12:16:31 neo Qtopia: (II) Screen: 16/16 depth/bpp Jul 18 12:16:31 neo Qtopia: (II) vram size:8323072, onscreen vram size:614400, offscreen vram size:7708672 Jul 18 12:16:31 neo Qtopia: (II) initialising offscreen pixmaps Jul 18 12:16:32 neo Qtopia: error opening security policy file /usr/lib/xserver/SecurityPolicy Jul 18 12:16:32 neo Qtopia: Extended Input Devices not yet supported. Impelement it at line 637 in ../../../../hw/kdrive/src/kinput.c Jul 18 12:16:33 neo Qtopia: Could not init font path element /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType, removing from list! Jul 18 12:16:33 neo Qtopia: Jul 18 12:16:33 neo Qtopia: (process:2430): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. Jul 18 12:16:33 neo Qtopia: ^IUsing the fallback 'C' locale. Jul 18 12:16:34 neo Qtopia: Jul 18 12:16:34 neo Qtopia: (unknown:2430): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library Jul 18 12:16:34 neo Qtopia: navit:convert_to_attrs:failed to create attribute 'announce' with value '1' Jul 18 12:16:34 neo Qtopia: vehicle_gpsd:vehicle_gpsd_try_open:Trying to connect to localhost:default Jul 18 12:16:34 neo Qtopia: netlib_connectsock() returns socket on fd 21 Jul 18 12:16:34 neo Qtopia: vehicle_gpsd:vehicle_gpsd_try_open:Connected to gpsd fd=21 evwatch=0xb2a50 Jul 18 12:16:36 neo Qtopia: navit:main_real:Using '/home/root/.navit/navit.xml' Jul 18 12:16:36 neo Qtopia: navit:osd_set_std_graphic:accesskey (null) Jul 18 12:16:37 neo last message repeated 9 times Then navit is working. But If I try to access menu, navit is going down: Jul 18 12:17:04 neo Qtopia: GNU gdb (GDB) 7.0.1-debian Jul 18 12:17:04 neo Qtopia: Copyright (C) 2009 Free Software Foundation, Inc. Jul 18 12:17:04 neo Qtopia: License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html Jul 18 12:17:04 neo Qtopia: This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. Jul 18 12:17:04 neo Qtopia: There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. Type show copying Jul 18 12:17:04 neo Qtopia: and show warranty for details. Jul 18 12:17:04 neo Qtopia: This GDB was configured as arm-linux-gnueabi. Jul 18 12:17:04 neo Qtopia: For bug reporting instructions, please see: Jul 18 12:17:04 neo Qtopia: http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb
Re: Some newbee questions about Qtmoko, navit, Vodafone GPRS and battery capacity
2011/7/18 Sebastian Reinhardt s...@lmv-hartmannsdorf.de: Am 18.07.2011 10:04, schrieb Radek Polak: Sebastian Reinhardt wrote: 3. If I switch off all radio, exccept the gsm, the battery is unloaded during night (8-9h). Is this OK or is the battery broken (due to long storage time at Handheld Linux)? You need to suspend the phone. This can be done with POWER button or better lock the sceen in QtMoko home screen. Yes. I have done this. Example: yesterday evening, the phone was fully charged and I choose power off gps power off wifi and power off bluetooth. I locked the screen before going to bed. Today in the morning (7-8h later) the battery symbol was showing only one bar. Sometimes I got the alert of an critical battery level, but not today. So I think, anything is not ok. :-( Didn't you enabled GSM deep sleep mode on FR without recamping fix? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM_oscillating_between_registered_and_not_registered_aka_1024 Anyway, check if GSM deep sleep is disabled. There should be an option for this in NeoControl. Best Regards, Martix ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Some newbee questions about Qtmoko, navit, Vodafone GPRS and battery capacity
Hi, a few weeks ago I purchased an Freerunner. I decided to install Qtmoko v3.5 on an 8GB sd-card. Most things working like a charm. But I have some problems: 1. I installed navit form the zip- file, according to the wiki. But I do not get the gps position, in NeronGPS I get the fix. I installed also gpsd via apt-get and by starting /usr/sbin/gpsd -F /var/run/gpsd.sock -P /var/run/gpsd.pid /dev/ttySAC1 I get NMEA output with gpsmon. The navit.xml- file includes also the line vehicle name=Local GPS profilename=car enabled=yes active=1 source=gpsd://localhost gpsd_query=w+xj . So there is the problem? 2. I tried to use Vodafone GPRS (Germany). But this did not work! I get a failure notice, that file /etc/ppp/peers/dialup1310463241 was not found. I found an example file in /usr/share/doc/ppp/examples called peers-gprs. But I am not sure about the config entries in this file and if I need another files.So has anybody an working Vodafone configuration for Germany and can tell me someting about the correct entries in these files? I made the config with the Qtmoko GUI, but these file(s) are missing :-( 3. If I switch off all radio, exccept the gsm, the battery is unloaded during night (8-9h). Is this OK or is the battery broken (due to long storage time at Handheld Linux)? Ok, these are the first questions about my new Freerunner. The additonal questions about using my VirtualLaser Keyboard (Bluetooth connection, working with my openSUSE 11.3 Notebook) and the use of an external, USB connected LAN- adapter are asked later. :-) -- Kind regaards Sebastian Reinhardt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some newbee questions about Qtmoko, navit, Vodafone GPRS and battery capacity
Sebastian Reinhardt s...@lmv-hartmannsdorf.de writes: 1. I installed navit form the zip- file, according to the wiki. I'm not a qtmoko user but I know about navit. Can you give me a link to the binary you used? Does it have source code too? 3. If I switch off all radio, exccept the gsm, the battery is unloaded during night (8-9h). Is this OK or is the battery broken (due to long storage time at Handheld Linux)? If the phone is not in suspend this will definitely happen. -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some newbee questions about Qtmoko, navit, Vodafone GPRS and battery capacity
install navit with apt-get, it will show up in QX. then ensure the option for the gps module is checked and you're good to go. On 7/17/11, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: Sebastian Reinhardt s...@lmv-hartmannsdorf.de writes: 1. I installed navit form the zip- file, according to the wiki. I'm not a qtmoko user but I know about navit. Can you give me a link to the binary you used? Does it have source code too? 3. If I switch off all radio, exccept the gsm, the battery is unloaded during night (8-9h). Is this OK or is the battery broken (due to long storage time at Handheld Linux)? If the phone is not in suspend this will definitely happen. -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: battery life with QtMoko
So this is how you suspend the phone, with manual lock :) I was thinking you use power button to suspend it. I don't want to lose 2 hours of suspend just because I talk 10 minutes with the screen on. Other applications, like chess and fbreader can block (?) screen dimming. As for autounlocking when receiving a call/sms, I think is a bad ideea, but I don't know what can be done without coding. On 6/24/11, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: On Thursday 23 June 2011 20:46:10 Noel wrote: This is with default settings, which are very dangerous: in power management, when not plugged, the policy for 'dim light' is off, for 'display off' is off and for 'suspend' is off. This means that any unnoticed sms or missed call will keep the screen on. I can change these settings, but it bothers me that any event will unlock the screen, the neo can make phone calls in my pocket or the touchscreen will stay active while walking with no chance to autosuspend. If you lock the screen it should always suspend after 20s. I am using QtMoko with default values and i has worked quite nice so far and on the other hand i am not bothered with screen dimming e.g. when reading or playing chess. It's quite hard/impossible to set defaults so that everyone is happy. But any suggestions are welcome. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: battery life with QtMoko
I've started to keep NeoControl running all the time. With my deepsleep/fixed phone, on resume I see the current between 12000-24000 (2.6.34/qtmoko). With my old battery showing 857000 for current full, I guess it could sleep between 35 and 72 hours. The problem is that when active, the current is between 25-35, about 2.5-3.5 hours. If I keep the screen on (talking or not) for 20-30 minutes, which is not uncommon, I have no chance to use the phone the next day without charging it. This is with default settings, which are very dangerous: in power management, when not plugged, the policy for 'dim light' is off, for 'display off' is off and for 'suspend' is off. This means that any unnoticed sms or missed call will keep the screen on. I can change these settings, but it bothers me that any event will unlock the screen, the neo can make phone calls in my pocket or the touchscreen will stay active while walking with no chance to autosuspend. On 6/9/11, Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.de wrote: Does anybody has flashed the latest QtMoko and can report something about battery standby time ? I remember Radek mention a serious improvment. thanks, Chris ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: battery life with QtMoko
On Thursday 23 June 2011 20:46:10 Noel wrote: This is with default settings, which are very dangerous: in power management, when not plugged, the policy for 'dim light' is off, for 'display off' is off and for 'suspend' is off. This means that any unnoticed sms or missed call will keep the screen on. I can change these settings, but it bothers me that any event will unlock the screen, the neo can make phone calls in my pocket or the touchscreen will stay active while walking with no chance to autosuspend. If you lock the screen it should always suspend after 20s. I am using QtMoko with default values and i has worked quite nice so far and on the other hand i am not bothered with screen dimming e.g. when reading or playing chess. It's quite hard/impossible to set defaults so that everyone is happy. But any suggestions are welcome. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: battery life with QtMoko
On 10/06/2011 17:45, Francesco De Vita wrote: Does anybody has flashed the latest QtMoko and can report something about battery standby time ? I remember Radek mention a serious improvment. thanks, Chris Hi! I didn't make any precise measure but I can say that my neo after 32 hours is in (very) low battery, I only sent few messages (sms) and I used the gps for 5 minutes. Regards Joif Hi, I've got the same kind of experience as Joif with my Freerunner / Qtmoko v35 / kernel 2.6.34 Regards, Xavier. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: battery life with QtMoko
Francesco De Vita wrote: Hi! I didn't make any precise measure but I can say that my neo after 32 hours is in (very) low battery, I only sent few messages (sms) and I used the gps for 5 minutes. Do you have deep sleep enabled? Is your battery in good condition? I had 5 days - that was measured with 2.6.37 kernel - but that kernel had some bug for me which prevent from daily use (sometimes didnt wake or woken with vibrator on). I havent tried current 2.6.34 kernel. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: battery life with QtMoko
Do you have deep sleep enabled? Is your battery in good condition? I had 5 days - that was measured with 2.6.37 kernel - but that kernel had some bug for me which prevent from daily use (sometimes didnt wake or woken with vibrator on). Deep sleep enabled and the battery seems to be in good condition. I use my moko as a daily phone so I can't make an accurate test for now. Five days is really good! Joif ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: battery life with QtMoko
Does anybody has flashed the latest QtMoko and can report something about battery standby time ? I remember Radek mention a serious improvment. thanks, Chris Hi! I didn't make any precise measure but I can say that my neo after 32 hours is in (very) low battery, I only sent few messages (sms) and I used the gps for 5 minutes. Regards Joif ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v33 - More battery info and questions
Paul, On 2011-03-30 19:31, Paul Fertser wrote: Hi, On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 06:00:22PM +1100, Philip Rhoades wrote: Philip Rhoadesp...@pricom.com.au writes: - Even with the dumb battery configuration, the battery charging animated icon continues after USB (power) disconnection - should that happen? Provide uevent files contents for both the battery driver and pcf50633-mbc drivers. /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-mbc.0/power_supply/usb/uevent POWER_SUPPLY_NAME=usb POWER_SUPPLY_TYPE=USB POWER_SUPPLY_ONLINE=1 With USB unplugged this looks like a manifistation of a bug. Please specify the kernel version you use. Sorry, my mistake - I had it plugged in to get easier access to the device . . - The discharge rate attached for an inactive phone (with a blanked screen) with a new, fully charged battery is not very good (~10 hours) Keep in mind that the SoC was constantly running during that test, so this should be ok. Normal usage assumes you use suspend-to-ram when you do not actually interact with the device, that should give ~70 (without #1024 fix) or ~140 (with it) hours of standby time. At the moment dim is set to 20s, display off to 50s and suspend is off - are you saying that suspend should be set to 120s or something? How does that affect incoming calls? Incoming calls should wake up the device without any issues, there's a dedicated irq line for that. Yes, I tested it and it worked fine. I still have a problem with low battery life - I am testing the second new battery to see how that behaves and will update when I have more info. Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v33 - More battery info and questions
Hi, On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 06:00:22PM +1100, Philip Rhoades wrote: Philip Rhoadesp...@pricom.com.au writes: - Even with the dumb battery configuration, the battery charging animated icon continues after USB (power) disconnection - should that happen? Provide uevent files contents for both the battery driver and pcf50633-mbc drivers. /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-mbc.0/power_supply/usb/uevent POWER_SUPPLY_NAME=usb POWER_SUPPLY_TYPE=USB POWER_SUPPLY_ONLINE=1 With USB unplugged this looks like a manifistation of a bug. Please specify the kernel version you use. - The discharge rate attached for an inactive phone (with a blanked screen) with a new, fully charged battery is not very good (~10 hours) Keep in mind that the SoC was constantly running during that test, so this should be ok. Normal usage assumes you use suspend-to-ram when you do not actually interact with the device, that should give ~70 (without #1024 fix) or ~140 (with it) hours of standby time. At the moment dim is set to 20s, display off to 50s and suspend is off - are you saying that suspend should be set to 120s or something? How does that affect incoming calls? Incoming calls should wake up the device without any issues, there's a dedicated irq line for that. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v33 - More battery info and questions
Paul, On 2011-03-27 01:42, Paul Fertser wrote: Hi, Philip Rhoadesp...@pricom.com.au writes: - Even with the dumb battery configuration, the battery charging animated icon continues after USB (power) disconnection - should that happen? Provide uevent files contents for both the battery driver and pcf50633-mbc drivers. /sys/class/power_supply/battery/uevent POWER_SUPPLY_NAME=battery POWER_SUPPLY_TYPE=Battery POWER_SUPPLY_PRESENT=1 POWER_SUPPLY_STATUS=Charging POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_NOW=387 POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY=55 POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=85 POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_NOW=459000 /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-mbc.0/uevent DRIVER=pcf50633-mbc MODALIAS=platform:pcf50633-mbc /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-mbc.0/power_supply/adapter/uevent POWER_SUPPLY_NAME=adapter POWER_SUPPLY_TYPE=Mains POWER_SUPPLY_ONLINE=0 /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-mbc.0/power_supply/usb/uevent POWER_SUPPLY_NAME=usb POWER_SUPPLY_TYPE=USB POWER_SUPPLY_ONLINE=1 /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-mbc.0/power_supply/ac/uevent POWER_SUPPLY_NAME=ac POWER_SUPPLY_TYPE=Mains POWER_SUPPLY_ONLINE=0 - Using the methods above, both bind and unbind files exist in the driver directory - shouldn't there be only one at any one time? If not, don't the files only need to be created once instead of repeatedly each time the scripts/aliases are run? Those files are always present in the sysfs, kernel maintains them automatically for every driver. Right (thanks to Neil Jerram for clarification on this as well). - The discharge rate attached for an inactive phone (with a blanked screen) with a new, fully charged battery is not very good (~10 hours) Keep in mind that the SoC was constantly running during that test, so this should be ok. Normal usage assumes you use suspend-to-ram when you do not actually interact with the device, that should give ~70 (without #1024 fix) or ~140 (with it) hours of standby time. At the moment dim is set to 20s, display off to 50s and suspend is off - are you saying that suspend should be set to 120s or something? How does that affect incoming calls? Looking at this I realise that when the device is disconnected all the dimming etc has stopped working even the values are set correctly . . - Should the phone be shut down after the dumb battery is fully charged? No, charging is the same for gta02 battery and the dumb one, it's safe and doesn't require manual intervention. OK, good. Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QtMoko v33 - More battery info and questions
People, Using: echo bq27000-battery.0 /sys/bus/platform/drivers/bq27000-battery/unbind modprobe platform_battery allows me to check the value of: /sys/class/power_supply/battery/capacity and using: rmmod platform_battery echo bq27000-battery.0 /sys/bus/platform/drivers/bq27000-battery/bind restores the smart battery function. I attach a graph of the resulting discharge rate of the fully charged Nokia BL-6C battery. Questions: - Even with the dumb battery configuration, the battery charging animated icon continues after USB (power) disconnection - should that happen? - Using the methods above, both bind and unbind files exist in the driver directory - shouldn't there be only one at any one time? If not, don't the files only need to be created once instead of repeatedly each time the scripts/aliases are run? - The discharge rate attached for an inactive phone (with a blanked screen) with a new, fully charged battery is not very good (~10 hours) - I would need at least 24 hours with light usage to be able to use the Neo as my regular phone. Is this battery performance typical? - Should the phone be shut down after the dumb battery is fully charged? Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au attachment: ChkOMBattery.png___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v33 - More battery info and questions
On 26 March 2011 09:54, Philip Rhoades p...@pricom.com.au wrote: People, Using: echo bq27000-battery.0 /sys/bus/platform/drivers/bq27000-battery/unbind modprobe platform_battery allows me to check the value of: /sys/class/power_supply/battery/capacity and using: rmmod platform_battery echo bq27000-battery.0 /sys/bus/platform/drivers/bq27000-battery/bind restores the smart battery function. I attach a graph of the resulting discharge rate of the fully charged Nokia BL-6C battery. Questions: - Even with the dumb battery configuration, the battery charging animated icon continues after USB (power) disconnection - should that happen? - Using the methods above, both bind and unbind files exist in the driver directory - shouldn't there be only one at any one time? I would guess not, because the .0 at the end of bq27000-battery.0 suggests that there might be multiple battery instances, of which, at a given moment, some might be bound and others not. If not, don't the files only need to be created once instead of repeatedly each time the scripts/aliases are run? Are you thinking that those echo commands create the files? I doubt it works like that; files in /sys and /proc are special, and it's more like echoing something into them causes some action to happen, or some config change. Cf. echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward to enable IP forwarding. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v33 - More battery info and questions
Hi, Philip Rhoades p...@pricom.com.au writes: - Even with the dumb battery configuration, the battery charging animated icon continues after USB (power) disconnection - should that happen? Provide uevent files contents for both the battery driver and pcf50633-mbc drivers. - Using the methods above, both bind and unbind files exist in the driver directory - shouldn't there be only one at any one time? If not, don't the files only need to be created once instead of repeatedly each time the scripts/aliases are run? Those files are always present in the sysfs, kernel maintains them automatically for every driver. - The discharge rate attached for an inactive phone (with a blanked screen) with a new, fully charged battery is not very good (~10 hours) Keep in mind that the SoC was constantly running during that test, so this should be ok. Normal usage assumes you use suspend-to-ram when you do not actually interact with the device, that should give ~70 (without #1024 fix) or ~140 (with it) hours of standby time. - Should the phone be shut down after the dumb battery is fully charged? No, charging is the same for gta02 battery and the dumb one, it's safe and doesn't require manual intervention. HTH -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QtMoko new replacement battery - charging oddness
People, My original Neo battery lasts about 3.5 hours from a full charge with no activity with QtMoko v33. I bought replacement BL-6C batteries but when I plug either of them in, they appear to be charging (~20 hours) but when the USB is disconnected the battery icon appears to be still charging(!) and the Neo shuts down soon after ( 2 hours) with no charge. When I reboot, I try to cat the files in: /sys/class/power_supply/battery/ but I get No such device messages. Any ideas about how to proceed? Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko new replacement battery - charging oddness
Hi, Philip Rhoades p...@pricom.com.au writes: My original Neo battery lasts about 3.5 hours from a full charge with no activity with QtMoko v33. I bought replacement BL-6C batteries but when I plug either of them in, they appear to be charging (~20 hours) but when the USB is disconnected the battery icon appears to be still charging(!) and the Neo shuts down soon after ( 2 hours) with no charge. When I reboot, I try to cat the files in: Have you tried reading the battery QA[1]? It clearly states you need to use another driver to get some status for a dumb battery. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko new replacement battery - charging oddness
On Thursday 24 March 2011 09:46:54 Philip Rhoades wrote: My original Neo battery lasts about 3.5 hours from a full charge with no activity with QtMoko v33. I bought replacement BL-6C batteries but when I plug either of them in, they appear to be charging (~20 hours) but when the USB is disconnected the battery icon appears to be still charging(!) and the Neo shuts down soon after ( 2 hours) with no charge. When I reboot, I try to cat the files in: /sys/class/power_supply/battery/ but I get No such device messages. Any ideas about how to proceed? You will need to use dumb battery kernel driver. I cant say how/if it works. Please try: modprobe platform_battery or add platform_battery to /etc/modules so that it's loaded automatically after reboot. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
