RE: [cg] Fencing
What a wonderful conversation about fencing. Next time someone calls me to ask about how to keep the kids out of their garden, I will be able to direct them to search the e-mail list archive on the ACGA web site. Corrie Zoll Minneapolis __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
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Oops! Typo! There are 100 plots each. Each plot is 15x30. -Original Message- From: Pauline Tessier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 5:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re ubject: RE: [cg] Fencing Dear Cary, You say: Neither of the two gardens (both around 10 plots) that I manage have... How big are the plots? I am interested in the overall size, number of plots and individual plot sizes of Community Gardens. I am finding that sizes vary from wee portions of acres to several acres. I thank you for any information that you can send re size and also funding sources for the gardens you manage. Pauline Tessier __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
Re: [cg] Fencing
The city of Seattle's P-Patch Program locks none of our gardens. As state prior it does not mean we have no problems but it goes a LONG way to show our community gardening program as an open space resource throughout the city. There is a certain amount of letting go that must happen since some loss is inevitable but that said I think the key to your issue is to find ways that the very people that could do the vandalism and theft are involved and work more toward protecting your resource. You want them to feel vested, not locked out. The following are some additional strategies we share with our gardens to curb theft, etc...self policing is a very important element along with working with local block watches and/or community police teams. Theft/Vandalism/Illegal dumping From time to time area gardens are affected by these adverse elements; and its sources can come from within or outside the garden. Practicing prevention is the first step in curbing these activities. | Theft If you wish to share your produce/flowers, please pick it and give it. Don't invite different people from the neighborhood (kids too) in to pick something when you aren't there. Several problems can arise from doing this. Other people may conclude they can pick too. People from outside the garden often don't understand that next year someone else might be gardening your plot and that person won't want uninvited picking. Misunderstandings occur about the boundaries of your plot and where it is or is not OK to pick. And finally, what may be a one time or limited offer from you is sometimes taken as an open invitation. Keep your plot well harvested. A common excuse given by thieves is there sure is a lot of food going to waste here. If someone's plot looks like it has not been harvested in a while, a simple reminder call could be in order; if they can't, offer to glean and take the fruit to the nearest food bank. Get to know your garden neighbors and encourage reporting of illegal activities. P-Patch program staff can help with signs. Encourage gardeners to get to know other gardeners. Consider hiding vegetables in the design of your garden by placing desirable plants in less visible location and use perennials as cover. It helps to plant more vegetables than you need. These measures should reduce the amount of theft, yet some sites may find an organized, continuous problem. Collective actions may need to happen and in this case it should be reported to the police. If you observe theft or vandalism in the garden, first call 911. Get a good description of person or vehicle if possible. If the person is caught in the act have police issue a No Trespass card when they arrive. Get the incident report number and be sure to post information for other gardeners to see. If you find vandalism and/or theft after the fact you can still report it to the police and get an incident number. Sometimes if you're having on-going problems it is good to let the police know you're having problems so they can try and do more visits to the site. See attachment: Safety, Theft and Vandalism in Garden for further strategies and contact information. The following are garden examples of dealing with theft. Garden Theft Can Have Consequences by Bruce Swee-Interbay P-Patch It's early in the day, when nature is at peace with the world. The plants are awaiting their gardeners hand for grooming and nurturing. Suddenly an unseen hand rips the plant from the earth, its prized features cut out. Hours later, the gardener discovers the loss. The stolen plants have left frustration and anger, labor wasted, and the gardener feeling violated. This happens often in the P-Patch community. The standard official recourse is to file a police report, which leads to limited results. It's easy to lay blame and point fingers, and if this is your solution, you can expect a lot more of the same in the future. Recently Interbay, achieved a more satisfying result. With information gathered from other gardeners, we determined when the most likely time our thief might show. His features were identified along with his means of transportation. Supplied with binoculars, camera, and cell phone, I positioned my car outside the garden. I waited and waited. When he arrived, I immediately called the police, then sat back and watched the satisfying results unfold. He was caught red handed. I managed to photograph the man, and post his picture in the garden. His photo, initiated countless other incidents involving our gardeners and this individual. The lesson for us was loud and clear, COMMUNICATE. By bringing together assorted information, we discovered we knew far more than we realized. Assist your P-Patch community and report any incident, large or small to leadership. We found out that it is important if you catch the thief to ask the officer to issue a trespass card. Some officers will do so
Re: [cg] Fencing, theft vandalism
It's very interesting to hear the different approaches to fences from around the country. Here in Manhattan a fence is a necessity since without it we would have: 1) Homeless people sleeping all over (our sympathies are with the homeless but the garden is not the right place). 2) Illegal drug dealing and drug taking. 3) Rampant vandalism. With the fence very little or none of the above happens. Our garden started when the avenue we are on was a notorious drug supermarket. Once the fence went up the garden became a sanctuary from the desperation and crime outside the gate. We also have to light parts of the garden at night to prevent people from using the children's area as a drug den. It happened a few years ago, people were climbing the fence and using the children's area all night long. In the morning, parents would find needles and other unsavory things. A strategically placed, energy efficient light ended that, but we have to pay the increased electric bill. Some gardens in our area open the garden and leave it unmonitored all day but our experience tells us not to do it that way. William Hohauser 6th Street Avenue B Garden New York, NY __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
Re: [cg] Fencing, theft vandalism
I agree with Bill Hohauser - the population density of NYC, and the fact that while we're no eviller than the general run of folks, a good eight foot high fence has saved the Clinton Community Garden for its 5,000 plus keyholders, given its public gardeners the understanding that the attractive vistas it invests hundreds of hours in will not be trashed by some knucklehead. Understand, please, that on our garden block there is Fountain House - the world's first clubhouse for schizophrenics, Project Return, a residential home for the homeless drug addicted and mentally ill, and a house for HIV positive adolescents. All three institutions are encouraged to have garden keys and participate in garden activities. Our lives are enriched by these organizations and the individuals that make them up. But we need to keep the garden as a safe haven for everyone in the area - just like a public library, a precious public space filled with treasures that need nuture and careful stewardship. The neighborhood deserves to have lady slipper orchids to look at, but they don't need to be pilfered at night, the benches trashed, the people's place disrespected. I'm glad that other urban community gardens are in a less feral environment - here a good fence, night lock and careful management is the key. Best. Adam Honigman Volunteer, Clinton Community Garden Subj: Re: [cg] Fencing, theft vandalism Date: 10/25/05 9:12:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from the Internet It's very interesting to hear the different approaches to fences from around the country. Here in Manhattan a fence is a necessity since without it we would have: 1) Homeless people sleeping all over (our sympathies are with the homeless but the garden is not the right place). 2) Illegal drug dealing and drug taking. 3) Rampant vandalism. With the fence very little or none of the above happens. Our garden started when the avenue we are on was a notorious drug supermarket. Once the fence went up the garden became a sanctuary from the desperation and crime outside the gate. We also have to light parts of the garden at night to prevent people from using the children's area as a drug den. It happened a few years ago, people were climbing the fence and using the children's area all night long. In the morning, parents would find needles and other unsavory things. A strategically placed, energy efficient light ended that, but we have to pay the increased electric bill. Some gardens in our area open the garden and leave it unmonitored all day but our experience tells us not to do it that way. William Hohauser 6th Street Avenue B Garden New York, NY __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
RE: [cg] Fencing
Neither of the two gardens (both around 10 plots) that I manage have fencing, and theft is the #1 problem. They are both situated on public parks, and neither has an effective association. My question to those with fences: Are they locked? Does every plot-holder get a key? Are there limited access hours? I'd be interested to hear how these and related details are worked out. Cary Lehigh County, PA -Original Message- From: Jim Call [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 10:18 PM To: eliz Cc: ACGA listserve Subject: RE: [cg] Fencing Elizabeth, If you cruise ACGA links page (http://www.communitygarden.org/links.php) viewing various CG(s), you will notice most have some type of security fence. At our old location in a high tech research park, we did not have a fence. There was very little pedestrian traffic except for an occasional runner. We had virtually no vandalism and only a couple of times I caught someone illegally harvesting. When the city moved our garden to an urban environment, I insisted on having a 6' high fence to surround it. Presently, we keep the gates unlocked and we haven't had a problem. One shed is unlocked and the tool shed's doors are completely off. Who would want to steal some hoes, shovels, and other gardening tools... especially when it means they would have to do some physical work to use them? I wouldn't worry about school kids stealing vegetables and they will not be interested in gardening materials as well. Of course, if you put up scarecrows, that may intice their interest to vandalize them. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of eliz Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 8:06 PM Cc: ACGA listserve Subject: [cg] Fencing Are there any community gardens who have not had to put up a fence for security? We are building a community garden behind a church in our predominantly low-income neighborhood. We were hoping to avoid putting up a fence as many people use the site as a short-cut to school, library and businesses. With very little out there so far, we have already experienced some vandalism. Any suggestions? Elizabeth Austin, Texas __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
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Yes, yes and yes. For an example of key garden access, please go to http://www.clintoncommunitygarden.org -Original Message- From: Cary Oshins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ACGA listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:04:38 -0400 Subject: RE: [cg] Fencing Neither of the two gardens (both around 10 plots) that I manage have fencing, and theft is the #1 problem. They are both situated on public parks, and neither has an effective association. My question to those with fences: Are they locked? Does every plot-holder get a key? Are there limited access hours? I'd be interested to hear how these and related details are worked out. Cary Lehigh County, PA -Original Message- From: Jim Call [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 10:18 PM To: eliz Cc: ACGA listserve Subject: RE: [cg] Fencing Elizabeth, If you cruise ACGA links page (http://www.communitygarden.org/links.php) viewing various CG(s), you will notice most have some type of security fence. At our old location in a high tech research park, we did not have a fence. There was very little pedestrian traffic except for an occasional runner. We had virtually no vandalism and only a couple of times I caught someone illegally harvesting. When the city moved our garden to an urban environment, I insisted on having a 6' high fence to surround it. Presently, we keep the gates unlocked and we haven't had a problem. One shed is unlocked and the tool shed's doors are completely off. Who would want to steal some hoes, shovels, and other gardening tools... especially when it means they would have to do some physical work to use them? I wouldn't worry about school kids stealing vegetables and they will not be interested in gardening materials as well. Of course, if you put up scarecrows, that may intice their interest to vandalize them. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of eliz Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 8:06 PM Cc: ACGA listserve Subject: [cg] Fencing Are there any community gardens who have not had to put up a fence for security? We are building a community garden behind a church in our predominantly low-income neighborhood. We were hoping to avoid putting up a fence as many people use the site as a short-cut to school, library and businesses. With very little out there so far, we have already experienced some vandalism. Any suggestions? Elizabeth Austin, Texas __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
RE: [cg] Fencing
At 10:04 AM -0700 10/24/05, Cary Oshins of Lehigh County, PA, wrote: Neither of the two gardens (both around 10 plots) that I manage have fencing, and theft is the #1 problem. They are both situated on public parks, and neither has an effective association. My question to those with fences: Are they locked? Does every plot-holder get a key? Are there limited access hours? I'd be interested to hear how these and related details are worked out. Here in suburbia (population 60K), the main community garden is fenced, with gates that latch but don't lock. It's across the parking lot from the public library and near the community art center, so it has lots of nearby activity and gets used a fair amount by the public. It never feels deserted. People park and then spend their lunch hour in or near the garden, or they walk dogs (on the perimeter path) or children or themselves, or wander over after going to the library. I have heard of problems with poaching, but I have not seen it myself (except for the squirrels and birds), and I have heard one report of vandalism and one report of teenagers using drugs in the nearby shrubbery after dark. We do have signs posted saying that people are welcome to walk through, but picking is not allowed (in 4 languages). Another community garden site in town is adjacent to a public park that often has picnickers and big parties on the weekends. The garden plots are fenced with combination locks on the gates -- I don't know the story. I have seen homeless people camping in the bushes nearby, though, and since cars are allowed on the unpaved perimeter path, an occasional teenager drives around the loop too fast. Also, the site is surrounded by trees, so it feels secluded and does not get much foot traffic besides gardeners and dog walkers. It almost always feels deserted when I walk the dogs there. So I think one key factor is whether there is enough activity nearby to make would-be scofflaws feel that they are being watched. I also think a fence is important to mark the space, and no picking signs remove any doubt for anyone who is tempted. Tanya Palo Alto, Calif. __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
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Here in New York City every community garden I have seen is fenced in. Of course NY has it's unique set of problems that require a fence, theft definitely being one of them. Even with a tall fence we loose our peaches every year. The tree is bursting with peaches at night, next morning the tree is stripped bare of fruit. We have never discovered the thief who must be a courageous tree climber to get all the fruit. In our garden: - Every plot holder gets a key and we change the locks every few years. - By agreement with the city we obliged to be open 10 hours a week. However we keep the garden open at other times additionally, as long as someone is willing to monitor the garden. Some ideas: - A group of three people is effectively an association, have a meeting to discuss how to have the garden open. - Check with your municipality and see if a fence is acceptable to them as it is a public park. There might be factors that will prevent the construction of a fence. - If you can't build a fence, consider growing plants that are less likely to be stolen or accidentally destroyed. Flowers and fruit are prime picking temptations. Delicate ground plants are prime victims of errant feet. Tall plants, bushes, raised beds can help prevent accidental plant damage. William Hohauser 6th Street Avenue B Garden New York, NY On Oct 24, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Cary Oshins wrote: Neither of the two gardens (both around 10 plots) that I manage have fencing, and theft is the #1 problem. They are both situated on public parks, and neither has an effective association. My question to those with fences: Are they locked? Does every plot-holder get a key? Are there limited access hours? I'd be interested to hear how these and related details are worked out. Cary Lehigh County, PA -Original Message- From: Jim Call [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 10:18 PM To: eliz Cc: ACGA listserve Subject: RE: [cg] Fencing Elizabeth, If you cruise ACGA links page (http://www.communitygarden.org/ links.php) viewing various CG(s), you will notice most have some type of security fence. At our old location in a high tech research park, we did not have a fence. There was very little pedestrian traffic except for an occasional runner. We had virtually no vandalism and only a couple of times I caught someone illegally harvesting. When the city moved our garden to an urban environment, I insisted on having a 6' high fence to surround it. Presently, we keep the gates unlocked and we haven't had a problem. One shed is unlocked and the tool shed's doors are completely off. Who would want to steal some hoes, shovels, and other gardening tools... especially when it means they would have to do some physical work to use them? I wouldn't worry about school kids stealing vegetables and they will not be interested in gardening materials as well. Of course, if you put up scarecrows, that may intice their interest to vandalize them. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of eliz Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 8:06 PM Cc: ACGA listserve Subject: [cg] Fencing Are there any community gardens who have not had to put up a fence for security? We are building a community garden behind a church in our predominantly low-income neighborhood. We were hoping to avoid putting up a fence as many people use the site as a short-cut to school, library and businesses. With very little out there so far, we have already experienced some vandalism. Any suggestions? Elizabeth Austin, Texas __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http:// www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https:// secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
Re: [cg] Fencing
Here in Eastern Canada, we had to have a fence when we began, not to keep out vandals but rather, the deer. Our garden is located in the city of Saint John right across from the entrance to the largest public park in the country. Now in our sixth year, we are noticing that plots are being plundered more frequently but we are reluctant to put locks on the gates as it will change the mood of the project. And apparently, some of our gardeners have seen young people climbing over the 6 ft. fence so if they want to get in they will. Cheers, from Jude in New Brunswick - Original Message - From: eliz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: ACGA listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 10:06 PM Subject: [cg] Fencing Are there any community gardens who have not had to put up a fence for security? We are building a community garden behind a church in our predominantly low-income neighborhood. We were hoping to avoid putting up a fence as many people use the site as a short-cut to school, library and businesses. With very little out there so far, we have already experienced some vandalism. Any suggestions? Elizabeth Austin, Texas __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
Re: [cg] Fencing
If you want the path to be open and want to cut down on vandalism, one alternative is a fence to mark boundaries, and gates (open or latched) to mark the paths. Especially when plants are small, it's a good idea to make the boundaries and paths obvious. Sometimes nongardeners simply do not see plants, or don't see the difference between weeds and cultivated plants. We have a fence, which serves to mark the perimeter (with roses and perennials around the outside) and to keep dogs out. Dog-walkers love to use the path around the garden, and dogs do understand and respect gates, so we can leave the gates open when working in the garden. This time of year, the squirrels like to sit on the gates and eat tomatoes. Tanya Palo Alto, Calif. __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
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yeah--a really STRONG fence... ---McG from Philly - Original Message - From: eliz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: ACGA listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 9:06 PM Subject: [cg] Fencing Are there any community gardens who have not had to put up a fence for security? We are building a community garden behind a church in our predominantly low-income neighborhood. We were hoping to avoid putting up a fence as many people use the site as a short-cut to school, library and businesses. With very little out there so far, we have already experienced some vandalism. Any suggestions? Elizabeth Austin, Texas __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
RE: [cg] Fencing
Elizabeth, If you cruise ACGA links page (http://www.communitygarden.org/links.php) viewing various CG(s), you will notice most have some type of security fence. At our old location in a high tech research park, we did not have a fence. There was very little pedestrian traffic except for an occasional runner. We had virtually no vandalism and only a couple of times I caught someone illegally harvesting. When the city moved our garden to an urban environment, I insisted on having a 6' high fence to surround it. Presently, we keep the gates unlocked and we haven't had a problem. One shed is unlocked and the tool shed's doors are completely off. Who would want to steal some hoes, shovels, and other gardening tools... especially when it means they would have to do some physical work to use them? I wouldn't worry about school kids stealing vegetables and they will not be interested in gardening materials as well. Of course, if you put up scarecrows, that may intice their interest to vandalize them. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of eliz Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 8:06 PM Cc: ACGA listserve Subject: [cg] Fencing Are there any community gardens who have not had to put up a fence for security? We are building a community garden behind a church in our predominantly low-income neighborhood. We were hoping to avoid putting up a fence as many people use the site as a short-cut to school, library and businesses. With very little out there so far, we have already experienced some vandalism. Any suggestions? Elizabeth Austin, Texas __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
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At 51, I remember what it's like to have been a 16 year old punk. When you have a fence up, it keeps folks with poor impulse control from trashing your garden on an impulse. Teenaged males and growing pumpkins in a patch when said teeners are filled with Ballantine's Ale ( still a favorite of mine) or some bargain special, is a problem waiting ot happen. So unless you have a large, fast, garden troll named Igor. a garden fence is imperative. Best wishes, Adam Honigman Subj: [cg] Fencing Date: 10/22/05 9:07:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from the Internet Are there any community gardens who have not had to put up a fence for security? We are building a community garden behind a church in our predominantly low-income neighborhood. We were hoping to avoid putting up a fence as many people use the site as a short-cut to school, library and businesses. With very little out there so far, we have already experienced some vandalism. Any suggestions? Elizabeth Austin, Texas __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
