RE: [computer-go] MC programs vs. top commercial programs?
The release version of Many Faces 12, available now, should be compatible with Wine. David > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:computer-go- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of terry mcintyre > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 12:31 PM > To: computer-go > Subject: Re: [computer-go] MC programs vs. top commercial programs? > > > From: Ian Osgood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Now that Leela and Many Faces v12 are available for any Windows user > > to purchase > > Thanks for the heads-up, I must have missed the announcement. > > Do either of these worthy programs work with Wine on Linux? > > I recently tried a development version of MGF12 on Wine, and the > registration failed. > > > > > ___ > computer-go mailing list > computer-go@computer-go.org > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
RE: [computer-go] MC programs vs. top commercial programs?
You can also try the free version of Many Faces of Go 12 at www.smart-games.com. Many Faces version 11 worked under wine, so this one should too. If you try it please let me know if it works. David > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:computer-go- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gian-Carlo Pascutto > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 1:00 PM > To: computer-go > Subject: Re: [computer-go] MC programs vs. top commercial programs? > > terry mcintyre wrote: > >> From: Ian Osgood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> Now that Leela and Many Faces v12 are available for any Windows > >> user to purchase > > > > Thanks for the heads-up, I must have missed the announcement. > > > > Do either of these worthy programs work with Wine on Linux? > > You can try the free version of Leela to check. It will work with wine > 1.1.6 or later, as far as I know. > > -- > GCP > ___ > computer-go mailing list > computer-go@computer-go.org > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
RE: [computer-go] MC programs vs. top commercial programs?
At Portland, I ran 3 games against gnugo with the two-CPU version, and won all three. Version 12 as released is quite a bit stronger than the code I was using in Portland. Many Faces version 11 was competitive against the old guard, winning about 30% to 40% against handtalk for example. Version 12 is about 5 stones stronger on 19x19 than version 11. David > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:computer-go- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Doshay > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:56 PM > To: computer-go > Subject: Re: [computer-go] MC programs vs. top commercial programs? > > GNU Go won the tournament at the US Go Congress against several MC > programs including Many Faces and Leela, but the Many Faces that > competed was not quite the newest. David Fotland was working on the > program while in Portland and only got the multi-core (to use both > cores of a duo) working after the tournament. > > By some stroke of luck for him, after the tournament GNU Go was not > turned off and sat waiting for more games against Many Faces. David > played his multi-threaded multi-core version against GNU Go and all of > those games were won by Many Faces. I do not recall the number of > games he played before he went home. > > Cheers, > David > > > > On 27, Oct 2008, at 12:05 PM, Ian Osgood wrote: > > > Now that Leela and Many Faces v12 are available for any Windows user > > to purchase and run (and Fuego is free to tinker with), has anyone > > tried them against the old guard of commercial programs? KCC Igo, > > Haruka, Go++, and HandTalk haven't competed in a while so it is hard > > to tell how much better MC is than the previous state of the art. > > (For that matter, it isn't a foregone conclusion that they are > > better; GNU Go won the 2008 US computer go tournament against a > > field MC programs.) > > > > Alternatively, I wonder whether Hiroshi Yamashita has tested his > > stronger AyaMC against his stable of commercial programs (as he > > previously did in 2007 using GNU Go). > > > > ___ > > computer-go mailing list > > computer-go@computer-go.org > > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ > > ___ > computer-go mailing list > computer-go@computer-go.org > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] MC programs vs. top commercial programs?
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Gian-Carlo Pascutto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ian Osgood wrote: >> (For that matter, >> it isn't a foregone conclusion that they are better; GNU Go won the 2008 >> US computer go tournament against a field MC programs.) > > Believe me, in match long enough to exclude pure luck, with the MC > programs running on something faster than a Pentium 4, it IS a foregone > conclusion. I second that. It has been clear for quite some time now that the old guard would have absolutely no chance. They do not show up because it would be embarrassing (and probably hurt their sales). On 9x9 the strongest MCTS programs currently break even with GnuGo using only a few hundred simulations per move (so these programs are both faster and stronger). On 19x19 this number increases to some thousands of simulations but still their performance per clock-cycle is better than for traditional programs. In addition to this the new programs scale up excellently with more computational resources. Erik ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] MC programs vs. top commercial programs?
GNU Go won the tournament at the US Go Congress against several MC programs including Many Faces and Leela, but the Many Faces that competed was not quite the newest. David Fotland was working on the program while in Portland and only got the multi-core (to use both cores of a duo) working after the tournament. By some stroke of luck for him, after the tournament GNU Go was not turned off and sat waiting for more games against Many Faces. David played his multi-threaded multi-core version against GNU Go and all of those games were won by Many Faces. I do not recall the number of games he played before he went home. Cheers, David On 27, Oct 2008, at 12:05 PM, Ian Osgood wrote: Now that Leela and Many Faces v12 are available for any Windows user to purchase and run (and Fuego is free to tinker with), has anyone tried them against the old guard of commercial programs? KCC Igo, Haruka, Go++, and HandTalk haven't competed in a while so it is hard to tell how much better MC is than the previous state of the art. (For that matter, it isn't a foregone conclusion that they are better; GNU Go won the 2008 US computer go tournament against a field MC programs.) Alternatively, I wonder whether Hiroshi Yamashita has tested his stronger AyaMC against his stable of commercial programs (as he previously did in 2007 using GNU Go). ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] MC programs vs. top commercial programs?
terry mcintyre wrote: >> From: Ian Osgood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Now that Leela and Many Faces v12 are available for any Windows >> user to purchase > > Thanks for the heads-up, I must have missed the announcement. > > Do either of these worthy programs work with Wine on Linux? You can try the free version of Leela to check. It will work with wine 1.1.6 or later, as far as I know. -- GCP ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] MC programs vs. top commercial programs?
> From: Ian Osgood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Now that Leela and Many Faces v12 are available for any Windows user > to purchase Thanks for the heads-up, I must have missed the announcement. Do either of these worthy programs work with Wine on Linux? I recently tried a development version of MGF12 on Wine, and the registration failed. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] MC programs vs. top commercial programs?
Ian Osgood wrote: > (For that matter, > it isn't a foregone conclusion that they are better; GNU Go won the 2008 > US computer go tournament against a field MC programs.) Believe me, in match long enough to exclude pure luck, with the MC programs running on something faster than a Pentium 4, it IS a foregone conclusion. There will be an update of Leela to the version used in the Olympiad soon. You can try it against GNU Go then. Or look at the KGS ratings. They're against a wider range of opponents. -- GCP ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
