Re: [computer-go] Paper for AAAI (David Silver) PDF problem

2008-04-08 Thread Jacques Basaldúa

Thanks, Hideki

 I have the same problem with version 7.0.7 of Adobe Reader but
 version 8.1.2 works fine.

That was the problem. I used the automatic upgrade feature, but that
only upgrades to the latest 7.xx version not to version 8.xx.

Don Dailey wrote:

... this general distaste of feeling like a sucker for Microsoft.

That's the real problem with Windows. I need a double boot, place the OS
on a FAT32 partition and have a copy of every file + an image of the 
installed

partition. Every day I fight against the operating system I have paid for
and if the OS doesn't let me change it the nice way I have to do it the
hard way. If I was starting now, I would be a Linux user.

Unfortunately, there is not much I can do with incompatible systems.
From time to time I install wine to see how far they are. If it can be used
or not.

Windows 95 could be purchased in floppy disk and that was 30 floppies
the operating system of my dreams is Windows 95 bug free in 20 floppies ;-)

Jacques.
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Re: [computer-go] Paper for AAAI (David Silver) PDF problem

2008-04-07 Thread Jacques Basaldúa

Hi David

http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~silver/research/publications/files/MoGoNectar.pdf

Your paper has a PDF problem concerning embedded font BXGQFO+CMR12. I 
have used
different versions of Adobe Reader. I even updated one of the computers 
to the latest version
and I still cannot read any mathematical expressions. I guess this 
applies to all Windows users.


Jacques.
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Re: [computer-go] Paper for AAAI (David Silver) PDF problem

2008-04-07 Thread Vlad Dumitrescu
Hi

On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Jacques Basaldúa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~silver/research/publications/files/MoGoNectar.pdf

  Your paper has a PDF problem concerning embedded font BXGQFO+CMR12. I
 have used
  different versions of Adobe Reader. I even updated one of the computers to
 the latest version
  and I still cannot read any mathematical expressions. I guess this applies
 to all Windows users.

FYI, it works fine for me (on Windows).

regards,
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Re: [computer-go] Paper for AAAI (David Silver) PDF problem

2008-04-07 Thread Magnus Persson

No, I can read it without problems on windows.

Quoting Jacques Basaldúa [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


and I still cannot read any mathematical expressions. I guess this
applies to all Windows users.


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Re: [computer-go] Paper for AAAI (David Silver) PDF problem

2008-04-07 Thread steve uurtamo
Hello,

I'm getting the same thing here in windows:

Cannot extract the embedded font...

Was it made with pdflatex or somesuch?  Could
it be a version issue there?

s.

On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Jacques Basaldúa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi David


 http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~silver/research/publications/files/MoGoNectar.pdf

  Your paper has a PDF problem concerning embedded font BXGQFO+CMR12. I
 have used
  different versions of Adobe Reader. I even updated one of the computers to
 the latest version
  and I still cannot read any mathematical expressions. I guess this applies
 to all Windows users.

  Jacques.
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Re: [computer-go] Paper for AAAI (David Silver) PDF problem

2008-04-07 Thread Don Dailey
FYI,  

Doesn't seem to be a problem on linux Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon. 

- Don
  

Jacques Basaldúa wrote:
 Hi David

 http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~silver/research/publications/files/MoGoNectar.pdf


 Your paper has a PDF problem concerning embedded font BXGQFO+CMR12.
 I have used
 different versions of Adobe Reader. I even updated one of the
 computers to the latest version
 and I still cannot read any mathematical expressions. I guess this
 applies to all Windows users.

 Jacques.
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Re: [computer-go] Paper for AAAI (David Silver) PDF problem

2008-04-07 Thread Erik S. Steinmetz

Greetings,

As to the quality of the pdf, I am able to see all the text and  
equations and diagrams without a problem, but see a problem with the  
pagination: all the pages seem to have zero margin at the top, which  
causes a problem when printing (most printers can't print to the top  
1/4 inch of the page or so...), and looks a little odd.


All the best,

Erik


On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:00 AM, Don Dailey wrote:


FYI,

Doesn't seem to be a problem on linux Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon.

- Don


Jacques Basaldúa wrote:

Hi David

http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~silver/research/publications/files/ 
MoGoNectar.pdf



Your paper has a PDF problem concerning embedded font BXGQFO+CMR12.
I have used
different versions of Adobe Reader. I even updated one of the
computers to the latest version
and I still cannot read any mathematical expressions. I guess this
applies to all Windows users.

Jacques.
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Re: [computer-go] Paper for AAAI (David Silver) PDF problem

2008-04-07 Thread terry mcintyre

--- Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 FYI,  
 
 Doesn't seem to be a problem on linux Ubuntu Gutsy
 Gibbon. 

Perhaps folks should upgrade from Windoze to Linux?

ducking real quick

 Jacques Basaldúa wrote:
  Hi David
 
 

http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~silver/research/publications/files/MoGoNectar.pdf
 
 
  Your paper has a PDF problem concerning embedded
 font BXGQFO+CMR12.
  I have used
  different versions of Adobe Reader. I even updated
 one of the
  computers to the latest version
  and I still cannot read any mathematical
 expressions. I guess this
  applies to all Windows users.
 


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Re: [computer-go] Paper for AAAI (David Silver) PDF problem

2008-04-07 Thread Mark Boon


On 7-apr-08, at 11:52, terry mcintyre wrote:

Perhaps folks should upgrade from Windoze to Linux?

ducking real quick


Linux is for hobbyists. Mac OS X rules! ;-)

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Re: [computer-go] Paper for AAAI (David Silver) PDF problem

2008-04-07 Thread Hideki Kato
Hello,

I have the same problem with version 7.0.7 of Adobe Reader but
version 8.1.2 works fine.

Hope this helps,
Hideki

steve uurtamo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hello,

I'm getting the same thing here in windows:

Cannot extract the embedded font...

Was it made with pdflatex or somesuch?  Could
it be a version issue there?

s.

On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Jacques Basaldúa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi David


 http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~silver/research/publications/files/MoGoNectar.pdf

  Your paper has a PDF problem concerning embedded font BXGQFO+CMR12. I
 have used
  different versions of Adobe Reader. I even updated one of the computers to
 the latest version
  and I still cannot read any mathematical expressions. I guess this applies
 to all Windows users.

  Jacques.
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Re: [computer-go] Paper for AAAI (David Silver) PDF problem

2008-04-07 Thread Don Dailey


terry mcintyre wrote:
 --- Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 FYI,  

 Doesn't seem to be a problem on linux Ubuntu Gutsy
 Gibbon. 
 

 Perhaps folks should upgrade from Windoze to Linux?
   
All jokes aside,  I know several people who decided to switch - the
deciding factor was VISTA, and the dread of yet another round of
expensive investments and upgrades and this general distaste of feeling
like a sucker for Microsoft.   

Having said that, my own wife won't switch even though she has a built
in support staff (me.)   So I just  bought her a vista laptop and she
likes it.Her frustration tolerance is low - she doesn't want to go
through the learning curve of a completely new OS and she would have
preferred XP but we got this laptop at a very good price and only Vista
was available. She is normally a logical and rational person, she
doesn't shop based on name brands, fads or irrational loyalties.   In
other words, she has no particular loyalty to Microsoft. 

I like to believe I am the same way, but no matter what you think,  the
reasons we do things and make certain choices are often based on a
substantial amount of irrationality.I just saw Mark Boons message
about Mac's.   

Before you read on - here is my disclaimer:   You might be offended!  
Please don't be.   I'm just expressing how I feel about things and you
can feel free to make your own post and I won't be offended!So there!
 
I think Macs are a great platform,  in many ways better than Linux.   
This is where pragmatism comes in for me.   I'm not a zealot for
Linux,   but you take any piece of hardware and install Linux for
free.If I were writing commercial software for a living,   I would
probably be developing on Windows,   but other than that there is no
compelling reason whatsoever to even consider Windows,  a proprietary,
buggy,  virus prone OS that must be frequently reinstalled.  I see
my windows friends who are experts at installing and reinstalling
windows and the constant angst they feel over this,  they know how to
circumvent Microsoft restrictions on the OS THEY PAYED FOR.But they
are in a silent battle constantly with Microsoft doing illegal things
behind their backs.  With Linux you have a copy of Linux and you
install it anywhere, anytime you like and you don't have to feel guilty
about it.And you can get a shiny brand new copy every few months
(depending on which Linux distribution you use.)

If it were between MAC and Windows,  it's an easy choice,  but Mac is
still proprietary,  which means it's pricey although I think I agree it
is superior to Linux in many ways.(I say I think because I have
only had limited exposure, but I like what I saw.)   In particular,
the user interface and the directory layouts with Mac is very appealing
and much more logical than Unix in general (even though Mac is Unix.)

But I have to say something about the MAC commercials.  I find them
incredibly offensive (like so many other commercials that play on your
fears and treat us like we are incredible stupid and cannot see what
they are trying to do.) They show a stodgy, somewhat older man who
represents Microsoft along with a cool younger, thinner and better
looking man who represents Macs. The Microsoft man is a bit of a
dullard while the Mac guy is super-cool and progressive and clearly has
it together. 

What is particularly ironic, is that the type of people who would
succumb to such an advertisement (by buying a Mac), is probably  best
portrayed by the dullard,  the guy in the commercial who obviously isn't
thinking for himself.Makes me want to puke!

Of course this is standard survival tactics for businesses.   You really
see this with automobile commercials too.I laugh every time one of
the commercials either tell you outright,  or imply that you are a
special and unique type of person (who thinks for yourself)  if you buy
their automobile. It's very bizarre that REALLY they are appealing
to the hive mentality after all,  because you will notice that people
who try to stand out,  do the same things.In the 60's it was long
hair - supposedly to make you stand out as different,  but EVERYONE
started growing their hair long back then, presumably so they could
stand out too!   

I think Microsoft tries to appeal more directly to the hive
mentality,  you should do it because everybody else does it.  They
can't begin to pretend that it makes you different even though it make a
great ad,   but you can be sure they would if they were in the
minority.So they directly go for the  jump on the bandwagon type
of thing.Fear of being left behind, everyone else is getting cool
toys while you are left out in the cold because you didn't buckle under
to them. They take technology that has been around for a long time, 
and tell you it's brand new cutting edge innovative stuff.And it
IS innovative to most people because they only know Microsoft and
Microsoft 

Re: [computer-go] Paper for AAAI (David Silver) PDF problem

2008-04-07 Thread Zach Wegner
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 But I have to say something about the MAC commercials.  I find them
 incredibly offensive (like so many other commercials that play on your
 fears and treat us like we are incredible stupid and cannot see what
 they are trying to do.) They show a stodgy, somewhat older man who
 represents Microsoft along with a cool younger, thinner and better
 looking man who represents Macs. The Microsoft man is a bit of a
 dullard while the Mac guy is super-cool and progressive and clearly has
 it together.

 What is particularly ironic, is that the type of people who would
 succumb to such an advertisement (by buying a Mac), is probably  best
 portrayed by the dullard,  the guy in the commercial who obviously isn't
 thinking for himself.Makes me want to puke!


I mostly agree with your statements, but I think the Mac commercials aren't
too bad. The older guy (who happens to be John Hodgman, a very funny
comedian) just represents boring business types, which I think refers to the
overwhelming advantage that Microsoft has in that type of market (Excel,
Powerpoint, etc.). It's just trying to say that the main purpose of a Mac,
based on the applications that come with it, are playing music, looking at
photos, editing video, and so on. And if you go to a hip coffeeshop, you
will see how much power they have in this market. Every college kid sits
there with their iBook editing their independent film and writing in their
blog. Maybe it's just especially bad because I live in Austin, TX, but I get
the impression that it's like that everywhere. I do agree, though, that most
Mac users (just like most computer users in general...) are not thinking for
themselves. Mac users buy both a computer and an image to present to others.

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Re: [computer-go] Paper for AAAI (David Silver) PDF problem

2008-04-07 Thread Don Dailey


Zach Wegner wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 But I have to say something about the MAC commercials.  I find them
 incredibly offensive (like so many other commercials that play on your
 fears and treat us like we are incredible stupid and cannot see what
 they are trying to do.) They show a stodgy, somewhat older man who
 represents Microsoft along with a cool younger, thinner and better
 looking man who represents Macs. The Microsoft man is a bit of a
 dullard while the Mac guy is super-cool and progressive and clearly has
 it together.

 What is particularly ironic, is that the type of people who would
 succumb to such an advertisement (by buying a Mac), is probably  best
 portrayed by the dullard,  the guy in the commercial who obviously isn't
 thinking for himself.Makes me want to puke!

 

 I mostly agree with your statements, but I think the Mac commercials aren't
 too bad. The older guy (who happens to be John Hodgman, a very funny
 comedian) just represents boring business types, which I think refers to the
 overwhelming advantage that Microsoft has in that type of market (Excel,
 Powerpoint, etc.). It's just trying to say that the main purpose of a Mac,
 based on the applications that come with it, are playing music, looking at
 photos, editing video, and so on. And if you go to a hip coffeeshop, you
 will see how much power they have in this market. Every college kid sits
 there with their iBook editing their independent film and writing in their
 blog. Maybe it's just especially bad because I live in Austin, TX, but I get
 the impression that it's like that everywhere. I do agree, though, that most
 Mac users (just like most computer users in general...) are not thinking for
 themselves. Mac users buy both a computer and an image to present to others.
   
I think you are being too kind to them!  They are directly implying
that you are a boring conformist if you have a Windows PC and that you
should have a MAC instead!  

The fact that they entertained you and you liked the PC guy made you
much more accepting of it.They always try to use guys you will
like.   Even the bad guys are supposed to be lovable -  just
incompetent but lovable oafs that you can look down on but without too
much guilt. Even the bug-killer commercials give you cute lovable
bugs.They do not want you to associate too much negative imagery
with their products.The main negative emotion they DO want to convey
is a little fear and anxiety - over NOT using their product.  
Especially true with drugs.   They have commercials now that present new
diseases you probably never heard of,  but they imply you might have it
and that you should go to your doctor to see if you do.How stupid do
they think we are?But presumably we must be pretty stupid because
they pay millions on these advertisements. 

Here is another tactic used:Take an actor or actress on a well known
television series who plays a doctor,  and use them to give medical
advice about which drugs they should be using. You are used to
thinking of them as a real doctor and what they say seems to have great
weight. 

I actually love to watch commercials and pick them apart.   Try it just
for fun.   What are they trying to get you to accept?   What blatant
associations are they connecting with their product?   Usually sex
appeal, happiness, popularity, etc.  

I started doing this the day I went to a restaurant with some friends
many years ago,  and felt just a little odd because I didn't order a
coke like everyone else did.Even though I was aware of how
advertising works,   at that very moment I realized that I was also
gullible to the messages they were sending us.This despite the fact
that I don't like coke! 

Anyway, this is WAY OFF the subject and waste of time - sorry.  


- Don

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