Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP -- List Etiquette
One of my members mentioned he just bought a laptop. It came with 1 GB of ram but he said he was only seeing 768 MB of ram. I told him his laptop video was taking 256 of ram. Dumb Who needs that fast and that big of a video on a laptop? That isn't even in the space of what a modern game requires. It would do to run basic productivity apps and so forth. The absolute minimum for a current DX9C game would (to be playable at a decently high resolution) be 2 gigs of main memory and at least 512 megs of dedicated graphics memory serving a fast (ATI 1900 chipset equivalent or above) graphics card on a 16 lane PCIE bus. That can and has been done in a laptop but it is insanely expensive. And they suck power like a Hoover eats dirt :-). We're talking an hour, at most two hours of runtime on battery. And the graphics aren't particularly better than a far less pricey desktop config. But these things are cool. And if you have external power, like an airplane EmPower port, these can be very useful. I recently crossed the Atlantic with my trusty IBM T41, I got two hours out of it before the battery was depleted playing a not too cutting edge game (but still at maximum spec for the machine). I guess it depends on what you're doing. I wouldn't actually buy a gaming laptop but one would have been nice on this trip. Provided it could have been hooked into the airplane power supply. - Original Message - From: "Rev. Stewart Marshall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP -- List Etiquette That about sums it up. One of my members mentioned he just bought a laptop. It came with 1 GB of ram but he said he was only seeing 768 MB of ram. I told him his laptop video was taking 256 of ram. Dumb Who needs that fast and that big of a video on a laptop? If you are not playing games etc. there is no need for this overkill, but that is what Vista wants!!! I bet the day MS announces that XP will no longer be sold, there will be a run on stores to stock up on copies of XP. Stewart At 10:07 PM 8/7/2007, you wrote: Well, as I see it only Ultimate really offers a step sideways, and I have no desire to go (as I see it) backwards from a perfectly workable OS in XP Pro. Not until I absolutely need DX10, thank you :-). I have no guarantees that Vista drivers will fully support my hardware, I've read the reports that show it running slower than XP on numerous graphics benchmarks in DX9C, I've seen the reports that say it's a memory and processor hog. I will not pay any company $350.00 to be a beta tester. They don't get my money until the product 1) fulfills a need that I have, and 2) is a demonstrated improvement over what I'm using right now. Neither of these conditions have been met to my satisfaction at this time. I'm far from an anti-Microsoft person. Yes, they dominate the OS market and yes, if you're a gamer they produce the OS of choice, XP Pro. And realistically I'll probably end up using Vista. Just not at this time. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived *
Re: [CGUYS] FIOS
John Duncan Yoyo: > It's not that I would switch from FIOS for data services but I don't > trust the fiber phone lines in an emergency where the power is lost. > I want my plain old copper phone lines to stay. I'm not sure how long 48 Volt Battery powered copper lines are going to remain viable. ATT for example now has its fiber to a node setup and then copper from the node. If the power failed, you would still be dependent on a rather small emergency power plan and the same problem. It would likely be cheaper for Verizon to do the same thing in cities, run fiber most of the way, then skip wiring the rest. It would however leave you without phone service in a relatively short period of time during a power failure. > The FIOS phone is powered in your house. There is a small battery > backup in the system that will keep your phone going for a few hours > but after that nothing. > > The POTS- plain old telephone service is powered by the phone company > and tends to stay up in emergencies better than the power grid. The > phone company is good at keeping the phone system running. When we > lost power for around 24 hours in the Hurricane a few years ago the > phone worked. The easy solution is to have a 2nd phone line, you don't need long distance service or even touchtone service, just a phone that doesn't require electricity to work. When you get FIOS, just leave the 2nd line as is and you've still got copper running to the home in case you hate FIOS. Me personally, I want FIOS, the people I know with it have better and quieter phone service than I have with copper and their internet service works better than mine too. Besides I also know folks with cable phone provided, they face the same problems as someone with FIOS. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP -- List Etiquette
That about sums it up. One of my members mentioned he just bought a laptop. It came with 1 GB of ram but he said he was only seeing 768 MB of ram. I told him his laptop video was taking 256 of ram. Dumb Who needs that fast and that big of a video on a laptop? If you are not playing games etc. there is no need for this overkill, but that is what Vista wants!!! I bet the day MS announces that XP will no longer be sold, there will be a run on stores to stock up on copies of XP. Stewart At 10:07 PM 8/7/2007, you wrote: Well, as I see it only Ultimate really offers a step sideways, and I have no desire to go (as I see it) backwards from a perfectly workable OS in XP Pro. Not until I absolutely need DX10, thank you :-). I have no guarantees that Vista drivers will fully support my hardware, I've read the reports that show it running slower than XP on numerous graphics benchmarks in DX9C, I've seen the reports that say it's a memory and processor hog. I will not pay any company $350.00 to be a beta tester. They don't get my money until the product 1) fulfills a need that I have, and 2) is a demonstrated improvement over what I'm using right now. Neither of these conditions have been met to my satisfaction at this time. I'm far from an anti-Microsoft person. Yes, they dominate the OS market and yes, if you're a gamer they produce the OS of choice, XP Pro. And realistically I'll probably end up using Vista. Just not at this time. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP -- List Etiquette
Most system are only coming with 1 or 2 above. You have to pay a premium to get 3 or 4, and I understand most of the real nice goodies only come with 3 & 4. Well, as I see it only Ultimate really offers a step sideways, and I have no desire to go (as I see it) backwards from a perfectly workable OS in XP Pro. Not until I absolutely need DX10, thank you :-). I have no guarantees that Vista drivers will fully support my hardware, I've read the reports that show it running slower than XP on numerous graphics benchmarks in DX9C, I've seen the reports that say it's a memory and processor hog. I will not pay any company $350.00 to be a beta tester. They don't get my money until the product 1) fulfills a need that I have, and 2) is a demonstrated improvement over what I'm using right now. Neither of these conditions have been met to my satisfaction at this time. I'm far from an anti-Microsoft person. Yes, they dominate the OS market and yes, if you're a gamer they produce the OS of choice, XP Pro. And realistically I'll probably end up using Vista. Just not at this time. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] FIOS
I spoke to someone who got FIOS, hated it--not as promised, and was told that he couldn't go back to POTS. Since FIOS isn't even necessary for high speed broadband, and is very expensive, it appears to be a really bad deal. His phone/broadband bill is more than 3x what he had and he's stuck with it. The lame battery backup is the kicker. 24 hours isn't enough. I wouldn't rely on FIOS for my phone service unless they included a battery backup powered by a PV solar panel, so I wouldn't lose my phone during the next big storm. Our power was out for 1/2 day last week, and that wasn't much of a storm. Naturally, our POTS phone worked the entire time, as it did when we lost power for 4 days after a hurricane and flood a few years ago. FIOS is another technology designed to get you to pay more for what you should be able get now for a lot less. A new fiber optic system in the Mediterranean is designed to carry 92 terabits per second. Can we get 50Mbps here soon? At $20-$30/month? I'll take that. It's not that I would switch from FIOS for data services but I don't trust the fiber phone lines in an emergency where the power is lost. I want my plain old copper phone lines to stay. The FIOS phone is powered in your house. There is a small battery backup in the system that will keep your phone going for a few hours but after that nothing. The POTS- plain old telephone service is powered by the phone company and tends to stay up in emergencies better than the power grid. The phone company is good at keeping the phone system running. When we lost power for around 24 hours in the Hurricane a few years ago the phone worked. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP -- List Etiquette
The other problem that crops up is which flavor of Vista are you going to get? Vista Home Basic Vista Home Premium Vista Business Vista Ultimate Most system are only coming with 1 or 2 above. You have to pay a premium to get 3 or 4, and I understand most of the real nice goodies only come with 3 & 4. Stewart At 09:07 PM 8/7/2007, you wrote: A compelling Vista feature? Only one comes to mind at the moment, and that's DirectX 10 support. But as the other posters suggested, you'll need a lot of machine to take advantage of it, and you'll need a DX10 capable graphics card. I should point out that no applications (games) have yet shipped the use DX10. Probably not until Christmas. As an "upgrade" to an existing XP machine, no matter now hot, Vista IMHO makes no sense whatsoever at this time. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP -- List Etiquette
Does anyone want to point out a compelling Vista feature? I think the people who turned this thread into a pissing contest owe us a proper answer to the question. A compelling Vista feature? Only one comes to mind at the moment, and that's DirectX 10 support. But as the other posters suggested, you'll need a lot of machine to take advantage of it, and you'll need a DX10 capable graphics card. I should point out that no applications (games) have yet shipped the use DX10. Probably not until Christmas. As an "upgrade" to an existing XP machine, no matter now hot, Vista IMHO makes no sense whatsoever at this time. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] FIOS
I agree The weather can hiccup down here and the power goes out, but we still have phone. When we have power problems I can still use a dial up account and get email etc. I would not want to rely on something that needs power line power in this area, for phone service. Even if I get Internet phone service (unlikely) in the area and I sign up, I will still keep a POTS for backup. Stewart At 08:37 PM 8/7/2007, you wrote: It's not that I would switch from FIOS for data services but I don't trust the fiber phone lines in an emergency where the power is lost. I want my plain old copper phone lines to stay. The FIOS phone is powered in your house. There is a small battery backup in the system that will keep your phone going for a few hours but after that nothing. The POTS- plain old telephone service is powered by the phone company and tends to stay up in emergencies better than the power grid. The phone company is good at keeping the phone system running. When we lost power for around 24 hours in the Hurricane a few years ago the phone worked. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] FIOS
It's not that I would switch from FIOS for data services but I don't trust the fiber phone lines in an emergency where the power is lost. I want my plain old copper phone lines to stay. The FIOS phone is powered in your house. There is a small battery backup in the system that will keep your phone going for a few hours but after that nothing. The POTS- plain old telephone service is powered by the phone company and tends to stay up in emergencies better than the power grid. The phone company is good at keeping the phone system running. When we lost power for around 24 hours in the Hurricane a few years ago the phone worked. On 8/7/07, Mason Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You won't want to switch from FIOS, once you have had it. > > Mason > > rlsimon wrote: > > Wachit...seems when Verizon puts up your fios it takes down your old > > standard telephone line unless you tell them to leave it there (burried in > > small print of contract) so if you change your mind later you hafta pay $$$ > > to get your old telco lines up... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 5:42 PM > > Subject: Re: FIOS > > > > > > sheesh. > > > > And google isn't a generic term for searching the net...but it's become > > that. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > On 8/6/07, Michel Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> FiOS is Verizon's brand for fiber-to-the-premises connectivity. FiOS > >> is not a generic term or a technology (like DSL) but an actual brand. > >> > >> If Qwest has a fiber to the prem service it is NOT FiOS. From what > >> I've heard here in the DC area FiOS delivers outstanding throughput at > >> the speeds advertised. In other words, their 15Mb service really > >> delivers 15Mb. -Mike L > >> > >> __ > >> Michel David Lowe > >> Purcellville, VA > >> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List > >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike > >>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 5:15 PM > >>> To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM > >>> Subject: [CGUYS] FIOS > >>> > >>> Here in AZ qwest's best speed for FIOS is 7mbit. If their FIOS is > >>> anything like their dsl then 7mbit is more like 5. I was wondering > >>> if FIOS is better > >>> on other carriers? If you want high speed here in AZ the only choice is > >>> cable. I've talked to Qwest reps who admit they have no plans at all > >>> upgrading any service in AZ. 7 is max. Cable here is supposed to go to > >>> 25 > >>> later this year early next however. All the while, cable being cheaper. > >>> > >>> Mike > >>> > >>> On 8/6/07, Ralph Sierra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > I agree, it is fantastic. However, I was only able to discover > this > > >>> after > >>> > finally biting the bullet and upgrading to high-speed internet > (FIOS) Otherwise, Google (and the other new-version) maps take too > long to download over dial-up lines. > > > > >> ** > >> ** > >> * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > >> * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > >> * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > >> * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > >> * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > >> * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress > >> * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > >> * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > >> * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > > * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > > * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > > * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress > > * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > > * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > > * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > > > > > > > > *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP -- List Etiquette
>Yep. I feared this would happen My bad >I guess I will go and read the PC mags instead. So right. If someone does not like somebody else's answer then they should respond by providing an answer that they think is better. DO NOT attack the person. DO NOT tell someone that they have no right to answer questions. STAY TO THE TOPIC! The first few responses to your post were roughly in agreement. Vista is OK on new computers, but an upgrade could cause problems and Vista offers no compelling features. Does anyone want to point out a compelling Vista feature? I think the people who turned this thread into a pissing contest owe us a proper answer to the question. Someone telling me to shut up is especially funny. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP
Yep. I feared this would happen My bad Close to 2 dozen posts in response to my original query and maybe 3 or 4 of them are actually on topic and addressing what I had asked about. For those of you who did respond (so far) in good faith, thanks. I guess I will go and read the PC mags instead. Michael -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Dunford Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 2:23 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP >I didn't say that all things come from Apple. I did imply that MS has not >had an original, but non-criminal, idea in many years. Is this really necessary? Do you absolutely _have_ to do this _every_ time someone asks a Windows question? * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] replacement for iPhoto
I've been using GraphicConverter for many years (since OS9 days) to mess with pictures. It seems to me to be very powerful and I like the way it works. http://www.lemkesoft.com/ I think they've done a great job with the software and they are very responsive if you ever have a problem. You can try it for free and pay for it if you think it's worth it. I did. I also don't like the way iPhoto works. It's like iTunes in that everything is in the library. But I guess that way of thinking is the future to some. Wayne Dernoncourt wrote: I tried iPhoto and think it's awful. All the pictures always seem to remain in the library even after they are categorized. I do edit some of the pictures, cropping and resizing (make some for web shots, some for thumbnails for bigger links - sort of like story boards, etc. for how I think) I find that keeping links to all of the pictures in the main library as well as any category to be a bit distracting. Is there something out there that is better? I've heard about Photo Shop Elements. I'm pretty sure I have no need for full Photo Shop, maybe if I actually start getting serious with a camera, but not right now. I've also heard of Aperture. Sweetie also wants to start fooling around with digital photography using her camera(s). Is the Windows version of PS Elements comparable to the Mac version? Could we help each other out? * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Microsoft accounting express 2007 ?
>Nice try, Tom. I ask such questions about every vendor I deal with. I ask the same questions about Google and I think I understand their business model well enough to accept the risk factor. Yahoo I worry about more and I don't like their track record for offering and then dropping services. I was very unhappy when they bought Flickr. I make it my business to investigate. If you offer "Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services" and don't ask the same questions I would like to know how you can assure your clients that your won't drive them out on a limb that is going to get cut off? These are serious questions. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP -- Give MS Well-Deserved Credit
>I agree. Who here actually thinks any of the criminal ideas coming from >Microsoft are original? That's not fair. I have to agree that some of you here are very biased and won't give MS credit for anything. For one, I think the deal where computer manufacturers had to pay a fee for Windows on every computer they manufactured, even on machines they shipped without Windows was very clever and original. I think it effectively suppressed manufacturers offering Linux as an option. I think that was very original. I think the invention that the web browser was an integral part of the operating system was not only original, but extremely daring. If someone had proffered such a legal strategy to me I would have laughed them out of my office. What did I know? They managed to make that one stick. And then somehow they were able to roll out IE 7 and I think they hypnotized the regulators. I wonder how they did that? Very impressive. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Microsoft accounting express 2007 ?
Well we could go for a nice abacus. Mike On 8/7/07, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Nice try, Tom. > Why don't you spend your time dealing with the inanity, illegalities, and > chicanery of our own government- it will do as much good. > Have a great day. > > Eschew Obfuscation > > This is a reply from: > Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. > Financial, Managerial, and Technical > Services > for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization > > 703.548.1343 voice > 703.783.1340 fax > > > >From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- > we > are YOUR adjuvancy > > > -Original Message- > From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar > Sent: 08/07/2007 8:09 PM > To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM > Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Microsoft accounting express 2007 ? > > >Well, for starters, the express version is free. So, that should > certainly > >make it worth the price. > > Free for how long? What is the company's motivation for providing free > software? Does it conform to the GPL or similar? What is the past track > record of the company in terms of discontinuing products and then only > offering an expensive migration path? Is your private data secure with > them? What is the past track record of the company in terms of having > their software surreptitiously collect information on their customers? Is > the vendor a reliable business partner? Do they exhibit the same kind of > integrity in their business practices as you would expect from your > accountant? Have they been convicted of any felonies? > > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress > * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > > > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress > * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Microsoft accounting express 2007 ?
Nice try, Tom. Why don't you spend your time dealing with the inanity, illegalities, and chicanery of our own government- it will do as much good. Have a great day. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax >From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: 08/07/2007 8:09 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Microsoft accounting express 2007 ? >Well, for starters, the express version is free. So, that should certainly >make it worth the price. Free for how long? What is the company's motivation for providing free software? Does it conform to the GPL or similar? What is the past track record of the company in terms of discontinuing products and then only offering an expensive migration path? Is your private data secure with them? What is the past track record of the company in terms of having their software surreptitiously collect information on their customers? Is the vendor a reliable business partner? Do they exhibit the same kind of integrity in their business practices as you would expect from your accountant? Have they been convicted of any felonies? * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Microsoft accounting express 2007 ?
>Well, for starters, the express version is free. So, that should certainly >make it worth the price. Free for how long? What is the company's motivation for providing free software? Does it conform to the GPL or similar? What is the past track record of the company in terms of discontinuing products and then only offering an expensive migration path? Is your private data secure with them? What is the past track record of the company in terms of having their software surreptitiously collect information on their customers? Is the vendor a reliable business partner? Do they exhibit the same kind of integrity in their business practices as you would expect from your accountant? Have they been convicted of any felonies? * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP
On 8/7/07, Chris Dunford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >I didn't say that all things come from Apple. I did imply that MS has not > >had an original, but non-criminal, idea in many years. > > Is this really necessary? Do you absolutely _have_ to do this _every_ time > someone asks a > Windows question? > I agree. Who here actually thinks any of the criminal ideas coming from Microsoft are original? -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] FIOS
You won't want to switch from FIOS, once you have had it. Mason rlsimon wrote: Wachit...seems when Verizon puts up your fios it takes down your old standard telephone line unless you tell them to leave it there (burried in small print of contract) so if you change your mind later you hafta pay $$$ to get your old telco lines up... -Original Message- From: mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 5:42 PM Subject: Re: FIOS sheesh. And google isn't a generic term for searching the net...but it's become that. Mike On 8/6/07, Michel Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: FiOS is Verizon's brand for fiber-to-the-premises connectivity. FiOS is not a generic term or a technology (like DSL) but an actual brand. If Qwest has a fiber to the prem service it is NOT FiOS. From what I've heard here in the DC area FiOS delivers outstanding throughput at the speeds advertised. In other words, their 15Mb service really delivers 15Mb. -Mike L __ Michel David Lowe Purcellville, VA -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 5:15 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: [CGUYS] FIOS Here in AZ qwest's best speed for FIOS is 7mbit. If their FIOS is anything like their dsl then 7mbit is more like 5. I was wondering if FIOS is better on other carriers? If you want high speed here in AZ the only choice is cable. I've talked to Qwest reps who admit they have no plans at all upgrading any service in AZ. 7 is max. Cable here is supposed to go to 25 later this year early next however. All the while, cable being cheaper. Mike On 8/6/07, Ralph Sierra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I agree, it is fantastic. However, I was only able to discover this after finally biting the bullet and upgrading to high-speed internet (FIOS) Otherwise, Google (and the other new-version) maps take too long to download over dial-up lines. ** ** * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too
Re: [CGUYS] replacement for iPhoto
Ed Whipple > The current Mac version of Photopshop Elements is Version 4. > It includes Adobe Bridge, my favorite image management > program. Bridge also comes with the PC version of Photoshop > CS2 and later. > The PC Version of Elements is Version 5 and includes a > function called the Organizer that I won't even mention in > my Elements class. It does not notice any changes in your > image masnagement that may have happened outside of Organizer. > For the Mac, I suggest Elements 4 with Bridge. For the PC, > you might want to check out Picasa2 from Google. It's free. I forgot all about Picassa! I used that on a Linux laptop. I thought that was terrific when compared to iPhoto. That behaved the way I wanted iPhoto to work. > Check www.adobe.com to see what they have in the way of trial > versions. > And remember, Photoshop doesn't cost any more than a > Walmart-grade deer rifle or a Bernini sewing machine. I don't much use for either of those. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Very good, Einstein - but next time show your work * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] FIOS
Wachit...seems when Verizon puts up your fios it takes down your old standard telephone line unless you tell them to leave it there (burried in small print of contract) so if you change your mind later you hafta pay $$$ to get your old telco lines up... -Original Message- From: mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 5:42 PM Subject: Re: FIOS sheesh. And google isn't a generic term for searching the net...but it's become that. Mike On 8/6/07, Michel Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > FiOS is Verizon's brand for fiber-to-the-premises connectivity. FiOS > is not a generic term or a technology (like DSL) but an actual brand. > > If Qwest has a fiber to the prem service it is NOT FiOS. From what > I've heard here in the DC area FiOS delivers outstanding throughput at > the speeds advertised. In other words, their 15Mb service really > delivers 15Mb. -Mike L > > __ > Michel David Lowe > Purcellville, VA > > -Original Message- > > From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike > > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 5:15 PM > > To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM > > Subject: [CGUYS] FIOS > > > > Here in AZ qwest's best speed for FIOS is 7mbit. If their FIOS is > > anything like their dsl then 7mbit is more like 5. I was wondering > > if FIOS is better > > on other carriers? If you want high speed here in AZ the only choice is > > cable. I've talked to Qwest reps who admit they have no plans at all > > upgrading any service in AZ. 7 is max. Cable here is supposed to go to > > 25 > > later this year early next however. All the while, cable being cheaper. > > > > Mike > > > > On 8/6/07, Ralph Sierra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I agree, it is fantastic. However, I was only able to discover > > > this > > after > > > finally biting the bullet and upgrading to high-speed internet > > > (FIOS) Otherwise, Google (and the other new-version) maps take too > > > long to download over dial-up lines. > > > > > > > > > > > ** > ** > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress > * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] replacement for iPhoto
Would you mind briefly elaborating a bit re: Bridge and Organizer. About what they do/ how they work, strengths and weaknesses? & how much do they cost? I use Picassa 2 now and although it is pretty good & efficient in ways, it is clumsy, confusing and laborious in others... I wouldn't mind paying a moderate amount for something better but can't figure out what that would be. I've heard about Bridge & Organizer. db Ed Whipple wrote: The current Mac version of Photopshop Elements is Version 4. It includes Adobe Bridge, my favorite image management program. Bridge also comes with the PC version of Photoshop CS2 and later. The PC Version of Elements is Version 5 and includes a function called the Organizer that I won't even mention in my Elements class. It does not notice any changes in your image masnagement that may have happened outside of Organizer. For the Mac, I suggest Elements 4 with Bridge. For the PC, you might want to check out Picasa2 from Google. It's free. Check www.adobe.com to see what they have in the way of trial versions. And remember, Photoshop doesn't cost any more than a Walmart-grade deer rifle or a Bernini sewing machine. Ed -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wayne Dernoncourt Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 12:03 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: [CGUYS] replacement for iPhoto I tried iPhoto and think it's awful. All the pictures always seem to remain in the library even after they are categorized. I do edit some of the pictures, cropping and resizing (make some for web shots, some for thumbnails for bigger links - sort of like story boards, etc. for how I think) * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP
Sorry - meant to be light. Maybe we're being too sensitive. Thank you, Mark Snyder - fanboy or what ever -Original Message- Why is it mac fanatics can't keep quiet when someone wants to talk about windows? If you don't like to talk about it, don't read the thread, the topic couldn't have been any clearer. It was even asked *very* politely that windows bashers please not apply, thank you very much. And *still* we had to get uncontrollable baseless crap from 'you know who'. There isn't anyone on this list who bashes mac with every single question about Apple's platform so why do we have to sit through the tripe every windows question? * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] What Happens to Unsellable Zunes?
They've certainly got the resources to sell them at a loss if they feel that's the best strategy. Consumers win. On 8/7/07, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They lose money on every sale, but the make it up in volume. (Who said > that?) * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
[CGUYS] What Happens to Unsellable Zunes?
MS has announced a "special military edition" of the Zune to be sold to our troops at a "special discount." http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/totally-worth-enlisting-for/microsoft-releases-a nother-halo+themed-zune-only-for-sale-to-military-personnel-286492.php They also cut the price on the ill-fated X-Box 360 by $50. http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&tax onomyId=12&articleId=9029338&intsrc=hm_topic They lose money on every sale, but the make it up in volume. (Who said that?) * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Microsoft accounting express 2007 ?
Well, for starters, the express version is free. So, that should certainly make it worth the price. The problem with the free version is the reports are not complete. But, if you know how to access the data with Excel, you can do almost anything. Integration with Office beats QuickBooks hands down. Payroll can be manual (free) or via ADP ($ 169/y and you do the reporting or per payroll and person and they do the reporting). My clients are using the Accounting 2006 or 2007 PAY versions and love it. I have three friends who are using the FREE version. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax >From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Givings Thomas Sent: 08/07/2007 3:28 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: [CGUYS] Microsoft accounting express 2007 ? Thomas Washington DC Question for any one Microsoft accounting express 2007 is it worth 150.00 Any one using the product, what the review? Thanks * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP
Why is it mac fanatics can't keep quiet when someone wants to talk about windows? If you don't like to talk about it, don't read the thread, the topic couldn't have been any clearer. It was even asked *very* politely that windows bashers please not apply, thank you very much. And *still* we had to get uncontrollable baseless crap from 'you know who'. There isn't anyone on this list who bashes mac with every single question about Apple's platform so why do we have to sit through the tripe every windows question? Mike On 8/7/07, Snyder, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Must Windows fanboys obsess for m-o-n-t-h-s about the pros and cons of > upgrading *every* time M$ rolls out a new Windows version (granted, only > once or twice a decade these days)? > > Mark Snyder > -Original Message- > Is this really necessary? Do you absolutely _have_ to do this _every_ > time someone asks a Windows question? > > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress > * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
[CGUYS] Microsoft accounting express 2007 ?
Thomas Washington DC Question for any one Microsoft accounting express 2007 is it worth 150.00 Any one using the product, what the review? Thanks * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] replacement for iPhoto
The current Mac version of Photopshop Elements is Version 4. It includes Adobe Bridge, my favorite image management program. Bridge also comes with the PC version of Photoshop CS2 and later. The PC Version of Elements is Version 5 and includes a function called the Organizer that I won't even mention in my Elements class. It does not notice any changes in your image masnagement that may have happened outside of Organizer. For the Mac, I suggest Elements 4 with Bridge. For the PC, you might want to check out Picasa2 from Google. It's free. Check www.adobe.com to see what they have in the way of trial versions. And remember, Photoshop doesn't cost any more than a Walmart-grade deer rifle or a Bernini sewing machine. Ed > -Original Message- > From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wayne Dernoncourt > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 12:03 PM > To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM > Subject: [CGUYS] replacement for iPhoto > > > I tried iPhoto and think it's awful. All the pictures always > seem to remain in the library even after they are categorized. > I do edit some of the pictures, cropping and resizing (make > some for web shots, some for thumbnails for bigger links - sort > of like story boards, etc. for how I think) > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP back to topic
One other suggestion might be to get another drive and dual boot windows xp and Vista till you decide. I still think Vista is a little troublesome for users who know what they are doing in windows. One of the things that bugged me, albeit very small, was that every time i opened my tv app vista would switch from aero to basic. Insignificant I know, but annoying. I also use a windowshade feature built into windowblinds constantly. Got used to that on my mac and I can't get along without it. I haven't found a similar feature for Vista. But it's little things like these that add up, that make Vista less usable even with the bonuses it does seem to bring in the improved interface and handling of media content. Most the problems that I hear about with Vista is along these lines, personal quirks, not real problems in the OS. Mike * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP
>Is this really necessary? Do you absolutely _have_ to do this _every_ time >someone asks a Windows question? I gave a perfectly correct answer. I said I did not like Widgets -- both Apple's & MS's. I'm allowed to not like Widgets. It is also accurate to note that MS copied heavily from Apple and that Vista does not really offer much over XP. The PC magazines have written about this so I'm not the only one saying this. It is you who came back with the touchy Windows fan-boy response. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP
Please don't feed the trolls. On 8/7/07, Chris Dunford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I didn't say that all things come from Apple. I did imply that MS has not > >had an original, but non-criminal, idea in many years. > > Is this really necessary? Do you absolutely _have_ to do this _every_ time > someone asks a > Windows question? * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP
>Must Windows fanboys obsess for m-o-n-t-h-s about the pros and cons of >upgrading *every* time M$ rolls out a new Windows version (granted, only >once or twice a decade these days)? Completely off point. And for the record, I have never referred to Mac users with the insulting term "Apple fanboys". In fact, I've never said _anything_ negative about Apple, Mac, or its users. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP
Must Windows fanboys obsess for m-o-n-t-h-s about the pros and cons of upgrading *every* time M$ rolls out a new Windows version (granted, only once or twice a decade these days)? Mark Snyder -Original Message- Is this really necessary? Do you absolutely _have_ to do this _every_ time someone asks a Windows question? * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP
>I didn't say that all things come from Apple. I did imply that MS has not >had an original, but non-criminal, idea in many years. Is this really necessary? Do you absolutely _have_ to do this _every_ time someone asks a Windows question? * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP
>And no, they didn't copy OS X widgets, all things don't come from Apple, I didn't say that all things come from Apple. I did imply that MS has not had an original, but non-criminal, idea in many years. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP
You can turn off the nagging security warnings, but they are there for a reason. For the most part, it is true that most of the compelling reasons to upgrade were removed to get Vista out. While it is more secure, the real security lies in 64bit Vista which is just about useless to most users. Vista is easier to use with movies and pictures, more features, but a lot of these features can be found in third party apps on XP. I found the move to Vista to be a lot like moving to XP from 2k. It was hard to go back to 2k after using XP for awhile. Things were just a bit easier to use. I installed Vista a few times since before it was on wide release, but always went back, just one or two small items that it wouldn't let me do. If you are a power user, the only reason to do it, is DOING it in itself. But if you are a power user you also have worked out the best ways to do things on XP and may not want to fuddle around with Vista. It's just fine for those buying new systems with it already installed, but I'd wait if you want it to be your daily use OS. And no, they didn't copy OS X widgets, all things don't come from Apple, Tom. Mike On 8/7/07, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >What I am really interested in knowing is WHY (or why not) should I > >consider an upgrade to Vista > > Microsoft needs the money. Isn't that enough of a reason? > > As I recall, most of the compelling reasons to upgrade were dropped in > order to get the thing to ship. IE 7 would be a good reason, but you can > download that for XP. The nagging security warnings I can do without. > They copied Apple's Widgets, but I hate Apple's Widgets. I just reviewed > Window's Magazine's "20 Reasons" and I didn't see anything compelling. > > Do you want this for work of just for *e*n*t*e*r*t*a*i*n*m*e*n*t*? > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Terminal Message Quandry
>/REMOVE_engine.command: No such file or directory It means that the named file was not in your root directory. Which is right. It shouldn't be in your root directory. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP
I prefer Yahoo widgets. Stewart At 12:20 PM 8/7/2007, you wrote: >What I am really interested in knowing is WHY (or why not) should I >consider an upgrade to Vista Microsoft needs the money. Isn't that enough of a reason? As I recall, most of the compelling reasons to upgrade were dropped in order to get the thing to ship. IE 7 would be a good reason, but you can download that for XP. The nagging security warnings I can do without. They copied Apple's Widgets, but I hate Apple's Widgets. I just reviewed Window's Magazine's "20 Reasons" and I didn't see anything compelling. Do you want this for work of just for *e*n*t*e*r*t*a*i*n*m*e*n*t*? * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP
>What I am really interested in knowing is WHY (or why not) should I >consider an upgrade to Vista Microsoft needs the money. Isn't that enough of a reason? As I recall, most of the compelling reasons to upgrade were dropped in order to get the thing to ship. IE 7 would be a good reason, but you can download that for XP. The nagging security warnings I can do without. They copied Apple's Widgets, but I hate Apple's Widgets. I just reviewed Window's Magazine's "20 Reasons" and I didn't see anything compelling. Do you want this for work of just for *e*n*t*e*r*t*a*i*n*m*e*n*t*? * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Memory question
But, would the flash things running overnight on a Mozilla type browser cause OSX to close? Mozilla's browsers have had a memory leak bug on and off for a long time. The leak can cause the browser to crash, but I haven't seen it crash OS X. [Mozilla doesn't install anything in root.] Running Flash uses a lot of memory and "magnifies" the memory leak. Have you tried to run X on another account? As admin, you'll be able to use your files. Does the second account crash? Which maintenance utilities have you used? I've found Yasu works well for my Mac, http://jimmitchell.org/projects/yasu/, but OnyX can be more helpful and fun, http://www.titanium.free.fr/ [and dangerous]. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
[CGUYS] replacement for iPhoto
I tried iPhoto and think it's awful. All the pictures always seem to remain in the library even after they are categorized. I do edit some of the pictures, cropping and resizing (make some for web shots, some for thumbnails for bigger links - sort of like story boards, etc. for how I think) I find that keeping links to all of the pictures in the main library as well as any category to be a bit distracting. Is there something out there that is better? I've heard about Photo Shop Elements. I'm pretty sure I have no need for full Photo Shop, maybe if I actually start getting serious with a camera, but not right now. I've also heard of Aperture. Sweetie also wants to start fooling around with digital photography using her camera(s). Is the Windows version of PS Elements comparable to the Mac version? Could we help each other out? -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Measure with micrometer, mark with chalk, cut with axe * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MacBook Pro not remembering settings
I established another account and it exhibited the same behavior. I think this is a hardware issue or something to do with the root OS. What d'you think? BTW the battery was just replaced, because the previous one was dying without much load with no warning. The new battery is otherwise working very well. This behavior started with the old battery and continues. I thought it was an issue caused by the old battery, but with all the resets, etc. I think anything residual from the old battery should have been removed. -M On Aug 7, 2007, at 12:00 AM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: From: Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: August 6, 2007 8:53:32 PM EDT Subject: Re: MacBook Pro not remembering settings Have you tried doing same from a different user account? * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
[CGUYS] intel chip
> g4vsMacPro > > > Thanks for your considered reply regarding g4 tower > vs > MacPro, just back now from the ìfield.î I retain my > g4 tower for the same reasons you list, but Iím > beginning to generate files which are rather large > (100+mb). Not friendly to that bus, as you remark. > I > feel suspended for now, but can make things work > with > outboard harddrives until something new presents > itself. The MacPro tower experience offered nothing > special, moving images through CS3beta. The answer > may well be the discard of unneeded code, as you > suggest, for using the intel chip, but I can wait. > CS2 > does lots that I need. > > > Image quality. Yup, I know about all of that, I am > one of those miracle darkroom workers you > describe, > and understand the near-infinite data capability of > film. Which is why many proís continue to do > personal > work on film, even while satisfying on-demand > exigencies clients deem important. Wonder whether > youíve seen Albert Watsonís book, Cyclops, which > uses > scans by the ultimate image-shaper, Richard Benson, > with Agfa's > CristalRaster technology, sidestepping halftone to > render a published image that emulates silver analog > (using a loupe on those pages is an entirely > improbable experience). At least one source has > notion > to carry forward the quality of the past into > digital. > > http://www.agfa.com/en/gs/products_services/all_products/cristalraster.jsp > > http://www.amazon.com/Cyclops-Albert-Watson/dp/0821221418/ref=pd_sim_b_1_img/103-5776458-5030243 > > > Thanks for the Nokia heads-up. Camera-in-phone > really > isn't an interest of mine, who is willing to haul > 4x5 > camera for the right capture. But I understand the > convenience others welcome. > > > Chad > > > > > > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Memory question
>But, would the flash things running overnight on a Mozilla type >browser cause OSX to close? Looks like there may be more than one thing amiss. Need to clear things out to get a better picture of what is causeing your CPU problem. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
[CGUYS] Terminal Message Quandry
Below is a Terminal message that I received after activating the ClamXav file named "REMOVE_engine.command." Does the message mean that: 1. The file was found, removed, then the machine was checked to see if it was removed, and it was. OR 2. The file was never found. Thanks. --Completed Command--- Last login: Sun Aug 5 20:31:01 on console /Applications/ClamXav\ /REMOVE_engine.command; exit Welcome to Darwin! alvin-auerbachs-imac-g5:~ alvin$ /REMOVE_engine.command; exit -bash: /REMOVE_engine.command: No such file or directory logout [Process completed] -- * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP
Chris (and Rich) I don't think I would have any problems from a technology point of view. My machine is pretty robust and has 2 Gigs of RAM, a good ATI Radeon graphics card and 3 SATA hard drives. Although I do not have a duo core processor, my pentium is an HT version so not too bad. What I am really interested in knowing is WHY (or why not) should I consider an upgrade to Vista, as in what will it allow me to do better, other than have lots of more interesting eye candy in the way it looks and feels. Michael Chris Dunford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >recommendation to make re: why (or why not) I should upgrade from XP Media >Center to Vista. Yes, I think Rich is right. I like Vista a lot, but I would not upgrade from XP to Vista on an existing machine unless it's a screamer with lots of memory and a top-notch graphics card. Better to wait until you're ready for a new system and then get one that's intended for Vista from the git-go. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP
>recommendation to make re: why (or why not) I should upgrade from XP Media >Center to Vista. Yes, I think Rich is right. I like Vista a lot, but I would not upgrade from XP to Vista on an existing machine unless it's a screamer with lots of memory and a top-notch graphics card. Better to wait until you're ready for a new system and then get one that's intended for Vista from the git-go. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP
At 12:00 AM 8/7/2007, you wrote: Date:Mon, 6 Aug 2007 23:35:42 -0400 From:"Michael A. Wosnick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Vista or XP Have been off the list for an extended period and have just returned and would like some insider advice. I know that reams have been written about Vista vs. XP but wondered if some of the regulars here had a CONCISE recommendation to make re: why (or why not) I should upgrade from XP Media Center to Vista. I would not recommend upgrading an XP computer to Vista UNLESS. 1. Your computer is a late model with plenty of RAM and a fast Hard disk 2. Your video card has at least 256Meg of ram (if you really want to use Aero) Vista is best run on a powerful Pentium 4 dual processor with a really minimum of 1 gig of RAM. 2gigs is better. Most on-board Video motherboards just won't cut it very well. Separate video cards with 256 meg of ram work so much better. Maybe the on-board video motherboards will catch up but most are not there yet. All in all, I purchased a new toshiba Laptop with 2gigs ram, Centrino Dual processor with 2 160Gigabyte Sata hard disks. Works great and I am very pleased with it's performance. For the Evangilists: I am waiting for the new Leopard OS and the new MacBook Pro's to come out in a couple of months before I jump back into the Mac fray. I used to have a Mac Mini but sold it before the intel mac's came out.. Bottom Line: don't upgrade just be be upgrading. Get a new machine designed to run Vista with lots of ram and good video. Rich * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
