Re: [CGUYS] Macbook pwned...again
The recent pwn2own contest proved that mac or windows could be easily hacked within hours so perhaps you should do your ad hominem attacks against both os x and windows. It is starting to look like the contest winner used Flash accessed via the Safari web browser to win the prize. So strictly speaking, the fault was not in any Apple-written software. Looks like Flash needs a better sandbox. To say that I would rather give up Windows than Flash is not an hominem attack. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Macbook pwned...again
It's not apple's fault...they did it!! Mike On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The recent pwn2own contest proved that mac or windows could be easily hacked within hours so perhaps you should do your ad hominem attacks against both os x and windows. It is starting to look like the contest winner used Flash accessed via the Safari web browser to win the prize. So strictly speaking, the fault was not in any Apple-written software. Looks like Flash needs a better sandbox. To say that I would rather give up Windows than Flash is not an hominem attack. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OpenMac
I've been following this thread for the last couple days, but only received the original post today (4/18/08). Why would be? Steve Steve Rigby wrote: In a move that's sure to get the attention of Apple's lawyers, one company has started advertising a new $400 hackintosh dubbed the OpenMac. http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/04/openmac-a-poor.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Macbook pwned...again
BTW you got a link for this since at the time of the contest they weren't releasing any info on the security hole except that 'Apple was going to work on a patch' ? Mike On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The recent pwn2own contest proved that mac or windows could be easily hacked within hours so perhaps you should do your ad hominem attacks against both os x and windows. It is starting to look like the contest winner used Flash accessed via the Safari web browser to win the prize. So strictly speaking, the fault was not in any Apple-written software. Looks like Flash needs a better sandbox. To say that I would rather give up Windows than Flash is not an hominem attack. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OpenMac / Missing?
I'm hoping somebody like Dell just happens to put out a Leopard friendly machine. Let the hobbyists talk it up for it's Mac friendly ways and see if it improves sales. On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Steve Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 16, 2008, at 10:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hoax http://gizmodo.com/380488/psystar-exposed-looks-like-a-hoax Since it is indeed quite possible to cause a Windows machine to be able to run OS X, and a fair number of folks have done it with success, why would it not be probable that a small company would offer such 'tricked out' computers for sale? After all, these would certainly not be clones, even though the above article erroneously claims that to be the case. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OpenMac / Missing?
Since the insides of an Apple machine are mostly COTS stuff anyway, and run Windows really, really well in most press reports, it would seem logical that Dell or some other player would wrap a case around those parts and let it loose in the world. I suppose the problem is that because Apple uses pretty good hardware, it would not necessarily be a cheap computer. Matthew On Apr 18, 2008, at 4:19 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: I'm hoping somebody like Dell just happens to put out a Leopard friendly machine. Let the hobbyists talk it up for it's Mac friendly ways and see if it improves sales. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OpenMac / Missing?
More than that I think it is something similar to the way the original IBM checked the BIOS (Apple calls it something different) that does not allow Leopard to run on a Dell. Dell does have higher end machines. They bought Alienware a couple of years ago. Stewart At 03:38 PM 4/18/2008, you wrote: Since the insides of an Apple machine are mostly COTS stuff anyway, and run Windows really, really well in most press reports, it would seem logical that Dell or some other player would wrap a case around those parts and let it loose in the world. I suppose the problem is that because Apple uses pretty good hardware, it would not necessarily be a cheap computer. Matthew Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OpenMac / Missing?
It's called EFI. It's the new interface between the OS and hardware. It's supported in one way or another by most OS vendors. Reading about it I'm not sure it's a step ahead as much as a sidestep. Seems like one more thing that can get corrupted since it sits on the HD. OS X will run on legacy BIOS as well as EFI. Mike On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More than that I think it is something similar to the way the original IBM checked the BIOS (Apple calls it something different) that does not allow Leopard to run on a Dell. Dell does have higher end machines. They bought Alienware a couple of years ago. Stewart At 03:38 PM 4/18/2008, you wrote: Since the insides of an Apple machine are mostly COTS stuff anyway, and run Windows really, really well in most press reports, it would seem logical that Dell or some other player would wrap a case around those parts and let it loose in the world. I suppose the problem is that because Apple uses pretty good hardware, it would not necessarily be a cheap computer. Matthew Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] usenet news reader
Any body out there still using a standalone usenet news reader? Any recommendations? I had been using free agent 1.1, but it is a bit old, so I was wondering what I was missing. Cheap=good, free=better. I don't really like the web interfaces available for reading them on-line. Thanks, Arthur * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] usenet news reader
When I had a provider that actually provided this service I used xnews. It was handy with binaries, I didn't do a lot of just reading. For that you might look at mozilla Thunderbird, I find that to be a small fast usenet/RSS client. I've never really used it for email. I like it's interface for usenet and RSS which is the same as the interface for email. Are you using your ISP or a third party for news? Google? When I had cable, the ISP had suddenly decided to go from a 5 day retention to I believe more like 5 hours, the whole thing became useless. Qwest offers even less, no usenet unless you pay an extra 10 bux and their retention is near zero...no POP either. Can you believe that? An ISP that doesn't offer email or news? MIke On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Arthur Poudrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any body out there still using a standalone usenet news reader? Any recommendations? I had been using free agent 1.1, but it is a bit old, so I was wondering what I was missing. Cheap=good, free=better. I don't really like the web interfaces available for reading them on-line. Thanks, Arthur * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] usenet news reader
I thought newsgroups has gone away. silly me! mike wrote: When I had a provider that actually provided this service I used xnews. It was handy with binaries, I didn't do a lot of just reading. For that you might look at mozilla Thunderbird, I find that to be a small fast usenet/RSS client. I've never really used it for email. I like it's interface for usenet and RSS which is the same as the interface for email. Are you using your ISP or a third party for news? Google? When I had cable, the ISP had suddenly decided to go from a 5 day retention to I believe more like 5 hours, the whole thing became useless. Qwest offers even less, no usenet unless you pay an extra 10 bux and their retention is near zero...no POP either. Can you believe that? An ISP that doesn't offer email or news? MIke On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Arthur Poudrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any body out there still using a standalone usenet news reader? Any recommendations? I had been using free agent 1.1, but it is a bit old, so I was wondering what I was missing. Cheap=good, free=better. I don't really like the web interfaces available for reading them on-line. Thanks, Arthur * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Macbook pwned...again
I noticed that Apple has just released an update of Safari. I assumed that this was the patch. mike wrote: BTW you got a link for this since at the time of the contest they weren't releasing any info on the security hole except that 'Apple was going to work on a patch' ? Mike On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The recent pwn2own contest proved that mac or windows could be easily hacked within hours so perhaps you should do your ad hominem attacks against both os x and windows. It is starting to look like the contest winner used Flash accessed via the Safari web browser to win the prize. So strictly speaking, the fault was not in any Apple-written software. Looks like Flash needs a better sandbox. To say that I would rather give up Windows than Flash is not an hominem attack. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] usenet news reader
Anybody out there still using a standalone usenet news reader? Any recommendations? I had been using free agent 1.1, but it is a bit old, so I was wondering what I was missing. Cheap=good, free=better. Nothing else even comes close to Agent (the paid version, not Free Agent). It's not very expensive. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OpenMac / Missing?
On Apr 18, 2008, at 4:38 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote: Since the insides of an Apple machine are mostly COTS stuff anyway, and run Windows really, really well in most press reports, it would seem logical that Dell or some other player would wrap a case around those parts and let it loose in the world. I suppose the problem is that because Apple uses pretty good hardware, it would not necessarily be a cheap computer. The Macintosh does use premium quality components, which plays a significant role in their cost. Videophiles will testify that even running the same video cards, the output from the Mac just looks better on screen than other consumer level computers, most likely the result of higher quality components throughout. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Macbook pwned...again
That's why I was wondering where Tom got his info since the exploit was unreleased to the public. MIke On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Stephen Brownfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I noticed that Apple has just released an update of Safari. I assumed that this was the patch. mike wrote: BTW you got a link for this since at the time of the contest they weren't releasing any info on the security hole except that 'Apple was going to work on a patch' ? Mike On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The recent pwn2own contest proved that mac or windows could be easily hacked within hours so perhaps you should do your ad hominem attacks against both os x and windows. It is starting to look like the contest winner used Flash accessed via the Safari web browser to win the prize. So strictly speaking, the fault was not in any Apple-written software. Looks like Flash needs a better sandbox. To say that I would rather give up Windows than Flash is not an hominem attack. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OpenMac
I've been following this thread for the last couple days, but only received the original post today (4/18/08). Why would be? It might be interesting to peruse that email's headers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Macbook pwned...again
BTW you got a link for this since at the time of the contest they weren't releasing any info on the security hole except that 'Apple was going to work on a patch' ? This is based on my own analysis, which is available to only the privileged few. I hope you feel suitably honored. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] cell phone
TRACFONE: I recently purchased a year's service with several hundred minutes for $65 on Ebay. _ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] usenet news reader
Agent had newer versions and for about two dollars a month thet connect you with the newsgroup. Marcio At 06:01 PM 4/18/2008, you wrote: Any body out there still using a standalone usenet news reader? Any recommendations? I had been using free agent 1.1, but it is a bit old, so I was wondering what I was missing. Cheap=good, free=better. I don't really like the web interfaces available for reading them on-line. Thanks, Arthur * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Macbook pwned...again
So you just guessed that it was Flash based on nothing even though every website says Apple is working on the patch? Not exactly Columbo are ya? I get paid to make such guesses. What do people pay you to do? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Macbook pwned...again
Apple patches adobe products? I would have never guessed. Mike On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you just guessed that it was Flash based on nothing even though every website says Apple is working on the patch? Not exactly Columbo are ya? I get paid to make such guesses. What do people pay you to do? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] usenet news reader
I'll throw my two cents in for Agent. I also use their newsfeeds. I really hate the ones that open lots of individual windows. On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Marcio V. Pinheiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agent had newer versions and for about two dollars a month thet connect you with the newsgroup. Marcio At 06:01 PM 4/18/2008, you wrote: Any body out there still using a standalone usenet news reader? Any recommendations? I had been using free agent 1.1, but it is a bit old, so I was wondering what I was missing. Cheap=good, free=better. I don't really like the web interfaces available for reading them on-line. Thanks, Arthur * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone [was: Signs of the arrival of FIOS]
They're owned by Tracfone, and yes, they're still around. Phone/plan choice depends on how much you will use the phone. Net10 is 10 cents a minute, so is T-Mobile. Net10 and Tracfone minutes expire after 60-90 days; T-Mobile 1000 minute card expires in 365 days. There's lots of prepaid choices, but few good ones. I use the T-Mobile plan. While the T-Mobile 1000 minute card expires in 365 days the unused minutes roll over when you buy another 1000 minute card before it expires. The 1000 minute card costs $100. Plus after you buy your first $100 you get golden rewards extra minutes added to the 1000 minutes. Cell phone plans are too complicated and expensive I agree with the 1st part, not the 2nd part. The above T-Mobile 1000 minute card provides a year of service for $100. Not bad! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
