Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
Don't give up hope yet. It hasn't been that long since the NJ legislature opened up the FIOS market by enabling statewide franchises so that the FIOS companies don't have negotiate with every little municipality. The FIOS companies (mostly Verizon) will pick the low-hanging fruit first, the higher income population dense areas, but eventually they will spread to the suburbs and beyond as well. Go to http://www.dslreports.com/gmaps/fios to look at the current FIOS coverage for NEW Jersey, and consider that next to nothing was there a couple of years ago. You can also look at the predicted coverage to see if it is coming where you live. In the meanwhile, if you have good cellular coverage, have you considered a wireless data plan? Those seem to have recently gone down in price somewhat, and that would get you something a little faster than dialup. David On Jun 29, 2008, at 3:19 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: Date:Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:51:07 -0400 From:rlsimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: US is access loser On NPR there was a story claiming the US was a winner initially in the lineup of those nations affording access to broadband internet being amongst the top 4 while now we are 15th behing Luxembourg ...I know this for sure having recently visited Belgium where just about everyone has it (even cell phone access is cheap and 5 bars even in the littlest backwater village in the mountains). Here in NJ, the most populous state in the nation, I live 45 minutes from Philadelphia and can only get Comcast cable (I'd rather eat dirt than deal with that bunch!!) with DSL FIOS not even on the planning boards!! ...huh?? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] video compression
Applying a second round of lossy compression to a file that is already compressed using lossy compression produces a horrid result. If your cable provider is doing this I would argue that they are not selling you what they claim to be selling you. It is an adulterated product. Like the Chineese filler used in pet food. You shoud demand a rebate. Yes Broadcast are compressing their digital signals but the cable/satellite people are recompressing that compressed digital signal a few times more to get the bandwidth down. Try comparing a cable/satellite signal on a digital tv to the same station on an outdoor antenna or simple rabbit ears. You get more artifacts on the second hand digital source. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
Florida is doing a lot of public private construction of roads and bridges and so that is now being explored. Except for opposition from land owners and NMBY folks and those small towns who say we will loose all our traffic it looks like it might get started and done in 5 years. Much faster than if you waited for the public folks to do it. It is both a good thing and a bad things as this will be a toll road and it will cost the public to use it until it is paid for. When I visit my family, in Florida, I drive down on tax-payer financed roads. Once in Florida, I enjoy paying many tolls to drive around the state. This is an artifact of the Republican mentality of corporate welfare. Why pay for public utilities, like roads, by spreading the costs amongst all taxpayers when you can let a private company build it and then put its hand into the public pocket in perpetuity (how many tolls disappear?) Virginia started towards this same sort of corporate welfare but the movement has slowed after seeing the results in other states (and after electing more Democrats). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
A private venture already investing in rural broadband, no guvmint handout necessary, competing with cellular business models no less. Demand, meet supply. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/29/AR2008062901 697.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
And I look forward to the nether regions freezing over before I see a Verizon FIOS truck in my area of central MD of 1 - 5 acre lots mixed in with 100+ acre family farms. I still don't have reliable cell coverage (which is not a bad thing when the boss wants to reach me ...), and Comcast's cable service is, well, comcastic, which is actually worse than with Adelphia, which was a serious step down from the old mom pop cable company which actually laid the fiber for my cable modem back in 1999 and which provided great service. It probably helped that we were customer #4, and the first three were employees. Matthew On Jun 29, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: We look forward to becoming your broadband provider of choice, deploying state of the art network technology at a reasonable price to our customers, wherever they may be. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
Rural and small town America has outsourced the fire departments for years - it is called the local volunteer fire department. We also outsource part of the police force - the local volunteer auxiliary police who do crowd control and general event security. It seems to work just fine, though the VFD's are coming under stress now because so many folks no longer work near where they live. Matthew On Jun 30, 2008, at 9:50 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote: It is both a good thing and a bad things as this will be a toll road and it will cost the public to use it until it is paid for. Next we outsource police, fire, and courts. It will be nice to simply pay to have my noisy neighbor arrested and more efficient to try cases by auction. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Most recent memory dump
Terry, You're close. This message was the one that stated the your system shutdown was unexpected. What did the messages right after this one say? To make it easier, just paste in the Source and Event ID until we find the correct message. Also, your system might be rebooting after the BSOD. We can change that. Right click on My Computer and choose Properties, click the Advanced tab to select it. Click the 3rd Settings on the screen in the area for Startup and Recovery. About 1/2 way down the screen is the System failure section. If Automatically restart has a check mark next to it, then remove it. Larry -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Kilburg Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 8:25 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: [CGUYS] Most recent memory dump Never got the message after the BSOD. Error 6/27/2008 9:30:47 PM EventLog 6008 None Log Name: System Source:EventLog Date: 6/27/2008 9:30:47 PM Event ID: 6008 Task Category: None Level: Error Keywords: Classic User: N/A Computer: Kilburg-PC Description: The previous system shutdown at 9:29:06 PM on 6/27/2008 was unexpected. Event Xml: Event xmlns=http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event; System Provider Name=EventLog / EventID Qualifiers=327686008/EventID Level2/Level Task0/Task Keywords0x80/Keywords TimeCreated SystemTime=2008-06-28T02:30:47.000Z / EventRecordID66318/EventRecordID ChannelSystem/Channel ComputerKilburg-PC/Computer Security / /System EventData Data9:29:06 PM/Data Data6/27/2008/Data Data /Data Data /Data Data42919/Data Data /Data Data /Data BinaryD807060005001B0015001D0006001002D807060006001C0002001D0006001002 60093C0001006009B0040100/Binary /EventData /Event This is what I get when I click on Event Log Online Details ID: 6008 Source: EventLog We're sorry There is no additional information about this issue in the Error and Event Log Messages or Knowledge Base databases at this time. You can use the links in the Support area to determine whether any additional information might be available elsewhere. Thank you for searching on this message; your search helps us identify those areas for which we need to provide more information. Here is the result of my technet search http://search.technet.microsoft.com/default.aspx?brand=technetrefinemen t=lang=en-USquery=Vista%2C%20eventlog%2C6008locale=en-US Terry Kilburg - Independent Reliv International Distributor! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
Problem with wireless is the rollout is not complete so there is little room for the ultimate solution to reliability; redundancy. -Original Message- From: Eric S. Sande [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:21 PM To: rlsimon Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' Subject: Re: US is access loser I am loath to expect the optical solution will stand the traffic demands over the short term. I can't understand why more has not gone into wireless as a longer term solution with less disruptive infrastructure demands albeit the view of a tower herethere which pales in comparison to the omnipresent telephone poles up and down every byway ... Wireless is fine but so far it is a sub-optimal technology in terms of speed and reliability. You have to know that in wired telecom reliability is the single driving force. We CAN'T fall below established regulatory standards in terms of service delivery. It has to work all the time. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
It is my understanding that at present most wireless companies lease space on towers and do not own the towers. Plus you need to have a tower about every 20 miles. Stewart At 12:23 PM 6/30/2008, you wrote: Problem with wireless is the rollout is not complete so there is little room for the ultimate solution to reliability; redundancy. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
Several wireless companies were competing to implement wireless networks in Silicon Valley. MetroFi won the contract and started to deploy a free wireless solution about 3 years ago. They offered free wireless - that was supposed to be supported by browser ads and a premium service that had no ads. They leased telephone and light poles in the cities they served for their antennas. They just folded due to the costs involved and are trying to sell their infrastructure to the cities they served. I was an early adopter and had them install a wireless antenna (on a DirecTV mount) to the side of my house as the nearest telephone pole was basically too far away. Even with the antenna, I still had spotty service. Some of the local cities are thinking of buying the service. Foster City said NFW as the infrastructure was for sale for $200,000 with an estimated yearly maintenance cost of $125,000. Others are looking into it. Wireless of any sort (free or premium) is pretty much on life support in the SF Bay Area. Larry -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rev. Stewart Marshall Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:29 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser It is my understanding that at present most wireless companies lease space on towers and do not own the towers. Plus you need to have a tower about every 20 miles. Stewart At 12:23 PM 6/30/2008, you wrote: Problem with wireless is the rollout is not complete so there is little room for the ultimate solution to reliability; redundancy. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
-Original Message- Correct, to an extent. My town (Middleburg) leases to most of the carriers on our two water towers. We prohibit private towers inside town limits. No one wants the eye sore of private towers here. It was a unanimous vote? *No one* wants rental income from the carriers? Or was it just the people who bothered to show up for the meeting? A woman came to my house with a petition last year, to block the proposed building of a cell tower in our neighborhood. My neighborhood is a cellular black hole and I wouldn't mind better coverage at all. It would be in the middle of a rather large and tall thicket of trees, on land owned by the community swimming pool (which is always one foot in the financial grave) and abutted by my kids' elementary school. Lots and lots of buffer zone. She had all sorts of Very Scary[tm] reasons, including declining property values, why we shouldn't allow it to be put in. When I asked her how the an adjacent development, which has a nearly identical setup, sans trees to hide in, fared in terms of property values, she started blubbering how it wasn't the same (because, you know, the laws of economics operate differently there) and wouldn't give me a straight answer. I asked her a few more questions about her other dubious claims and it was obvious that she hadn't encountered anyone skeptical of her horror stories yet. She scurried off rather than answer any of them. Turns out, her house will be one of the closer homes, albeit about 300 feet away on the other side of the thicket. Funny that. I find it strange how many of us will tolerate all sorts of technological eyesores on our streets: power lines, telephone poles, traffic lights, mailboxes, street lights, lines for phones and cable, satellite dishes, cars, trucks, roads, etc, but lose all rationality when it comes to cell towers. Does the DSM IV have anything on this yet? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
Middleburg has had this in effect for at least 5-10 years. I am on the town council and listen closely when someone complains. No one has complained. Middleburg is a small historic town (fewer than 700 residents) laid out around the time of the revolutionary war with England. It is in the middle of horse country. Scenic preservation and view-sheds are important here. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Wright Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:48 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser -Original Message- Correct, to an extent. My town (Middleburg) leases to most of the carriers on our two water towers. We prohibit private towers inside town limits. No one wants the eye sore of private towers here. It was a unanimous vote? *No one* wants rental income from the carriers? Or was it just the people who bothered to show up for the meeting? A woman came to my house with a petition last year, to block the proposed building of a cell tower in our neighborhood. My neighborhood is a cellular black hole and I wouldn't mind better coverage at all. It would be in the middle of a rather large and tall thicket of trees, on land owned by the community swimming pool (which is always one foot in the financial grave) and abutted by my kids' elementary school. Lots and lots of buffer zone. She had all sorts of Very Scary[tm] reasons, including declining property values, why we shouldn't allow it to be put in. When I asked her how the an adjacent development, which has a nearly identical setup, sans trees to hide in, fared in terms of property values, she started blubbering how it wasn't the same (because, you know, the laws of economics operate differently there) and wouldn't give me a straight answer. I asked her a few more questions about her other dubious claims and it was obvious that she hadn't encountered anyone skeptical of her horror stories yet. She scurried off rather than answer any of them. Turns out, her house will be one of the closer homes, albeit about 300 feet away on the other side of the thicket. Funny that. I find it strange how many of us will tolerate all sorts of technological eyesores on our streets: power lines, telephone poles, traffic lights, mailboxes, street lights, lines for phones and cable, satellite dishes, cars, trucks, roads, etc, but lose all rationality when it comes to cell towers. Does the DSM IV have anything on this yet? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] video compression
Drop channels? When have they ever really dropped a significant portion of channels. The cable is already crowded. They need to shoe horn more material into that limited bandwidth. Media General used to use two lines to get all the channels out to Fairfax county prior to the last rebuild and takeover by COX. Look at the satellite groups lots of people complain about the quality of HDTV compared with the OTA signal. FIOS is the only one with bandwidth to spare right now. On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's not lose focus. The point of this thread was to point out that digital TV broadcasters are having a lot of trouble trying to fit everything they want to fit into a single limited DTV (digital tv) channel. Some are reportedly already recompressing, but they use little boxes that cost as much as a small house to do it so it has been claimed few will notice anything. Oddly, it's more obvious in the audio channels. This does not apply to analog broadcasts received with rabbit ears, even if they are viewed on a 'digital tv'. And cable/fios companies don't re-compress source material - why would they when they have no trouble sending hundreds of channels? They just drop a channel to make room. Soon on the scene: TV delivered via the internet. All super compressed, all the time. I _still_ haven't figured out how they intend to deliver HD movies over this poor excuse for broadband we have in the US. At least one company is slated to take this live 8/1/08. On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Applying a second round of lossy compression to a file that is already compressed using lossy compression produces a horrid result. If your cable provider is doing this I would argue that they are not selling you what they claim to be selling you. It is an adulterated product. Like the Chineese filler used in pet food. You shoud demand a rebate. Yes Broadcast are compressing their digital signals but the cable/satellite people are recompressing that compressed digital signal a few times more to get the bandwidth down. Try comparing a cable/satellite signal on a digital tv to the same station on an outdoor antenna or simple rabbit ears. You get more artifacts on the second hand digital source. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Switching to Fios and Verizon Wireless
The new iPhone contract is rumored to be more tightly locked down to ATT. Check the coverage maps carefully for GSM coverage in the areas you frequent because GSM coverage is spotty. As for incompatibilities between systems it doesn't really matter for anything but the iPhone. I keep my wife and I on different cell phone systems just in case we are in a bad area for one or the other. FWIW there are good deals for just Phone/TV/internet if you don't want to include the cell phone. On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 9:03 AM, gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think FIOS arrived on my front lawn. Verizon is calling, and offering attractive packages to combine TV, internet, hardwire phone, and cell phone. From what i gather, verizon has finally shifted wireless from tdma to cdma, while the rest of the world has moved on to GSM. I have an ATT Nokia that will be imcompatable. my wife wants to get an iPhone II when available. my understanding is that verizon does not have gsm, and does not plan to move to it. my understanding is that neither the nokia nor the iphone have cdma available. are these presumptions correct? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Switching to Fios and Verizon Wireless
I've gotten ads in the mail from ATT advertising $11.45 local phone service, but of course, when you go to ATT's website, I've never been able to find it. Similarly with Comcrap, I mean Comcast. They have all sorts of deals but I was at the local Comcast office whining about my cable modem and the rep offered me their $24.95 per month plan. It's 768K down/384K up. It's not advertised on their website at all. It's the deal they offer when people are normally routed to the Customer Retention department - ie: the group people get when they call up and say I want to cancel. That might seem slow, but last month, I was getting 16K down/2K up.. so this is lightning fast by comparison. Larry -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Duncan Yoyo Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:37 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Switching to Fios and Verizon Wireless The new iPhone contract is rumored to be more tightly locked down to ATT. Check the coverage maps carefully for GSM coverage in the areas you frequent because GSM coverage is spotty. As for incompatibilities between systems it doesn't really matter for anything but the iPhone. I keep my wife and I on different cell phone systems just in case we are in a bad area for one or the other. FWIW there are good deals for just Phone/TV/internet if you don't want to include the cell phone. On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 9:03 AM, gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think FIOS arrived on my front lawn. Verizon is calling, and offering attractive packages to combine TV, internet, hardwire phone, and cell phone. From what i gather, verizon has finally shifted wireless from tdma to cdma, while the rest of the world has moved on to GSM. I have an ATT Nokia that will be imcompatable. my wife wants to get an iPhone II when available. my understanding is that verizon does not have gsm, and does not plan to move to it. my understanding is that neither the nokia nor the iphone have cdma available. are these presumptions correct? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
I find it strange how many of us will tolerate all sorts of technological eyesores on our streets: power lines, telephone poles, traffic lights, mailboxes, street lights, lines for phones and cable, satellite dishes, cars, trucks, roads, etc, but lose all rationality when it comes to cell towers. I have seen some well camouflaged cell towers made to look like pine trees. Not bad at all. I would expect being in a dead zone would be depressing on property values too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
Yes but mailboxes, street lights, lines for phones and cable, satellite dishes, etc don't emit harmful waves that will let you cook an egg. :- ) I heard it was the mailboxes that beam messages into your head. I'm starting a petition to have these dangerous boxes removed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
I heard it was the mailboxes that beam messages into your head. Hey, beaming messages into your head is my department. I'm the guy who is part of the vast right wing conspiracy. Not only do I work for the phone company but I also belong to the NRA and possibly the Republican Party, although I'm not sure about that last item as they have gotten too liberal for me. I can say that we have known how to defeat your tinfoil hat technology for some time, Earthlings. ;-) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
I'm on the Planning/Zoning Board of our town. Recently we reviewed an app to put up a tower along the main road on a piece of land behing fire company #2 with good rental $$ for the town. I objected given it is kiddycorner across the street from the new school. They brought in a big gun (prof of engineering and physics from PennState who has over 100 pub on his resume about rf from cell towers, etc.) who gave a very detailed explanation with chartsgraphs showing the decrement of the signal strength and the dependency on the elevation and distance from the tower, etc. It passed. That was last year. No tower is growing yet. I think the evidence (including the fat packet provided) is the worries about that are bunk and junk science. I wonder if it is a settled issue or if there is still any doubt?? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
I wonder if it is a settled issue or if there is still any doubt?? There's doubt about the amount of RF radiation you get from a handset transmitting next to your brain. I doubt that the transmissions from a tower would be an issue unless you were right next to the antenna. Like within a few meters. I'm not a cellular/mobile expert but I try not to use my cell phone generally, not out of health concerns but rather because the overall quality sucks compared to landlines. It is convenient but it's not my device of choice. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
I know a church that has gotten a nice monthly income from leasing space inside their bell tower for Antenna space. Stewart I have seen some well camouflaged cell towers made to look like pine trees. Not bad at all. I would expect being in a dead zone would be depressing on property values too. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
Hmm... on top of a church bell tower, eh? What better way for all that radiation to be spread out from the sheer height alone and who ever said radiation only goes outwards and not down I'll be all those parishioners don't even suspect they're being bombarded by massive doses of cell phone radiation during mass. :-) -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rev. Stewart Marshall Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:55 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser I know a church that has gotten a nice monthly income from leasing space inside their bell tower for Antenna space. Stewart I have seen some well camouflaged cell towers made to look like pine trees. Not bad at all. I would expect being in a dead zone would be depressing on property values too. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
I've tried to use my landline as much as possible. I've got ATT more bars in more places except Cupertino and my 50+ year old wood frame construction house apparently. Unless bars refers to drinking establishments, which is what I generally need when I have to try to make a phone call and can't get a signal (or when I have to call Comcast about my poor internet connection). The only downside to using my landline is when I use the cordless, I can't get very far down the block before the signal drops out and the longest RJ-11 cable I can find is about 100'. :-) Larry -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric S. Sande Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:57 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser I wonder if it is a settled issue or if there is still any doubt?? There's doubt about the amount of RF radiation you get from a handset transmitting next to your brain. I doubt that the transmissions from a tower would be an issue unless you were right next to the antenna. Like within a few meters. I'm not a cellular/mobile expert but I try not to use my cell phone generally, not out of health concerns but rather because the overall quality sucks compared to landlines. It is convenient but it's not my device of choice. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
Well it is a Lutheran Mass so we wear our aluminum hats. :-) Stewart At 05:09 PM 6/30/2008, you wrote: Hmm... on top of a church bell tower, eh? What better way for all that radiation to be spread out from the sheer height alone and who ever said radiation only goes outwards and not down I'll be all those parishioners don't even suspect they're being bombarded by massive doses of cell phone radiation during mass. :-) Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
I am not sure what it is with many of you and cell phones but my signal and reception and clarity are pretty darn good. I live in just this side of the hinterland and we have a very hilly area (Antennas are placed on the high points) Even in many supposedly rural areas I have good coverage and signal and call quality. There are a few areas where we loose signal. Usually because of no antennas (Like on Federal property) or low lying areas. But my wife can talk to my son as he drives home and he lives in the boonies. Part of the problem is phones. Some of these neat slick thin phones have lousy antennas. (I have friends who sell them and the tell me these things) My son had a RAZR and the reception was abominable. He now has a Q and he has no problems. Stewart At 05:02 PM 6/30/2008, you wrote: I've tried to use my landline as much as possible. I've got ATT more bars in more places except Cupertino and my 50+ year old wood frame construction house apparently. Unless bars refers to drinking establishments, which is what I generally need when I have to try to make a phone call and can't get a signal (or when I have to call Comcast about my poor internet connection). The only downside to using my landline is when I use the cordless, I can't get very far down the block before the signal drops out and the longest RJ-11 cable I can find is about 100'. :-) Larry Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
I used to have a Nokia 32xx series (I can't remember which model it was but it was a candybar type (as I found out one day)). It got slightly better reception at home. Work is the place where cell phone signals go to die - even if I wear a tinfoil hat too. That was a pretty good phone - I only stopped using it after it decided not to turn on anymore. After the power switch fell out (yes, fell out), I just made sure I kept the battery charged. If the phone powered off, I'd stick a small screwdriver in where the power button was and fiddle it around until the phone turned back on. I've been amazed in the boonies when I get a good signal. I guess in the middle of Silicon Valley, there's no need for a strong signal... ;-) You gotta love ATT Larry -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rev. Stewart Marshall Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 3:17 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser I am not sure what it is with many of you and cell phones but my signal and reception and clarity are pretty darn good. I live in just this side of the hinterland and we have a very hilly area (Antennas are placed on the high points) Even in many supposedly rural areas I have good coverage and signal and call quality. There are a few areas where we loose signal. Usually because of no antennas (Like on Federal property) or low lying areas. But my wife can talk to my son as he drives home and he lives in the boonies. Part of the problem is phones. Some of these neat slick thin phones have lousy antennas. (I have friends who sell them and the tell me these things) My son had a RAZR and the reception was abominable. He now has a Q and he has no problems. Stewart At 05:02 PM 6/30/2008, you wrote: I've tried to use my landline as much as possible. I've got ATT more bars in more places except Cupertino and my 50+ year old wood frame construction house apparently. Unless bars refers to drinking establishments, which is what I generally need when I have to try to make a phone call and can't get a signal (or when I have to call Comcast about my poor internet connection). The only downside to using my landline is when I use the cordless, I can't get very far down the block before the signal drops out and the longest RJ-11 cable I can find is about 100'. :-) Larry Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
I am not sure what it is with many of you and cell phones but my signal and reception and clarity are pretty darn good. A few factors play into this. Inside steel framed office buildings (well actually reinforced concrete, mostly, where I am) you are in a Faraday cage. If you aren't near a window, it's hit or miss as to whether cellular works. You can pretty much forget it in an elevator inside one of these buildings. Oh, I also live in a reinforced concrete apartment building that is surrounded by others of the same type. Even getting FM radio is problematical. Luckily most stations I listen to have Internet feeds. On the street it's a little better. But it still doesn't work some of the time. It works fine outside of the city. If you can accept the poor sound quality. I'm using an issue cell phone, an LG that's pretty old by modern standards, fairly bulky with the extra big battery. Maybe there are better ones out there. I take what I can get... It has been physically rock solid and I have to admit that like all of the equipment I've been issued it's adequate for the job. But it can't redefine physics. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
I live in the official hinterland ...pop 1100. And I tried fones from the big4 ...no dice for tmo or next/spr (even with an antenna on a tower right behind our town hall 1mi away) ...verizon had some signal, but ATT gives me 5 bars at my desk (so I can ramble on all day) and at my kitchen table (so I can read the local paper and check my email) as well as at my recliner chair (not 5 bars sadly, but enough to make calls and look up the tv schedule on zap2it) all this on my trusty old original RazrV3 phone !! -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: Re: US is access loser I am not sure what it is with many of you and cell phones but my signal and reception and clarity are pretty darn good. I live in just this side of the hinterland and we have a very hilly area (Antennas are placed on the high points) Even in many supposedly rural areas I have good coverage and signal and call quality. There are a few areas where we loose signal. Usually because of no antennas (Like on Federal property) or low lying areas. But my wife can talk to my son as he drives home and he lives in the boonies. Part of the problem is phones. Some of these neat slick thin phones have lousy antennas. (I have friends who sell them and the tell me these things) My son had a RAZR and the reception was abominable. He now has a Q and he has no problems. Stewart At 05:02 PM 6/30/2008, you wrote: I've tried to use my landline as much as possible. I've got ATT more bars in more places except Cupertino and my 50+ year old wood frame construction house apparently. Unless bars refers to drinking establishments, which is what I generally need when I have to try to make a phone call and can't get a signal (or when I have to call Comcast about my poor internet connection). The only downside to using my landline is when I use the cordless, I can't get very far down the block before the signal drops out and the longest RJ-11 cable I can find is about 100'. :-) Larry Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Most recent memory dump
I found that last time and unchecked it then. Log Name: System Source:EventLog Date: 6/27/2008 9:30:47 PM Event ID: 6009 Task Category: None Level: Information Keywords: Classic User: N/A Computer: Kilburg-PC Description: Microsoft (R) Windows (R) 6.00. 6000 Multiprocessor Free. Event Xml: Event xmlns=http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event; System Provider Name=EventLog / EventID Qualifiers=327686009/EventID Level4/Level Task0/Task Keywords0x80/Keywords TimeCreated SystemTime=2008-06-28T02:30:47.000Z / EventRecordID66319/EventRecordID ChannelSystem/Channel ComputerKilburg-PC/Computer Security / /System EventData Data6.00./Data Data6000/Data Data /Data DataMultiprocessor Free/Data /EventData /Event Terry Kilburg - Independent Reliv International Distributor! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
I just read that iPhone service plans with unlimited data start at $24 USD in Hong Kong. That is about 1/4 of the lowest US price. That's what we mean by being losers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Yeah, but they have to stand in long iPhone data plan lines to get it. Then they have to go stand in the voice plan line. I don't even want to think about the accessories line. -Original Message- I just read that iPhone service plans with unlimited data start at $24 USD in Hong Kong. That is about 1/4 of the lowest US price. That's what we mean by being losers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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They do not have a multitude of carriers, and usually have a government monopoly, or one that is heavily subsidized by the government. I am not sure if many knew this but recently Bell Canada (The Canadian offshoot of the Bell Companies) Was recently cleared to allow the Ontario Teachers Pension Fund to be one of their biggest shareholders. At one time the Ontario Provincial Government was a huge shareholder/owner of Savin Business Equipment. This is not unusual in many foreign companies. (Including Airlines) and they sometimes are fairly good companies. Stewart At 09:47 PM 6/30/2008, you wrote: I don't know about the iphone in Asia but 18 months ago I took my unlocked T-mobile Samsung GSM flip phone to Thailand and Laos and could buy a $5 dollar SIM card (with $5 of minutes credit) in a kiosk in most any grocery store etc and then similarly recharged that $5 or $10 a pop at any convenience stand when I needed to. Could not have been easier. Made our similar purchases via a cell carrier customer service center or walk-a-mile across the parking lot and thru a US mega-grocery/ Mall Best Buy chain store look like Soviet era style bizness. Every tuk-tuk (moped taxi) driver and longboat driver had one and they didn't have much else. In my mind, they sure know how to make it work and keep it simple. db Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
Thanks to Gerald for pointing once more to the archaic wireless system we enjoy, seemingly without protest. In 1886, captains of industry here decided that, yes, it was a good idea to establish standard gauge railroads. Before that, cargo had to be transferred upon arriving at a different dimension rail, a great loss of income. Perhaps our modern captains (hello, Verizon, ATT?) might come to an understanding that the worldwide gsm standard isn't such a bad thing, interchangeable sim cards work to the benefit of all, including profit margins. And guess what? Over there, one receives signal in the depth of metro, the remote of mountains, in the middle of water. Row together, all benefit. Until then, we in the US will waste time and money with 19th century equivalence, a burden to all. Chad * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
GSM is not a world standard. It is used in a good portion of the world but CDMA is also recognized as a standard. The reason for lack of signal is not CDMA vs. GSM it is lack of antennas!! As I stated earlier you must have antennas about every 20 miles to get good coverage. ( I think it might be longer) In mountainous areas and hilly areas, you need them closer to fill in the blanks. Our problem is that we have such a wide area we simply need more antenna coverage. When I was in Northern Ontario a couple years ago my phone (CDMA) would not work most of the time I was there, except for a few areas. If I had, had a GSM it would have. Next time I go I will get a GO phone or similar and use it up there. Stewart At 10:44 PM 6/30/2008, you wrote: Thanks to Gerald for pointing once more to the archaic wireless system we enjoy, seemingly without protest. In 1886, captains of industry here decided that, yes, it was a good idea to establish standard gauge railroads. Before that, cargo had to be transferred upon arriving at a different dimension rail, a great loss of income. Perhaps our modern captains (hello, Verizon, ATT?) might come to an understanding that the worldwide gsm standard isn't such a bad thing, interchangeable sim cards work to the benefit of all, including profit margins. And guess what? Over there, one receives signal in the depth of metro, the remote of mountains, in the middle of water. Row together, all benefit. Until then, we in the US will waste time and money with 19th century equivalence, a burden to all. Chad Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
