Re: [CGUYS] Request recommendation for computer speakers
The sound coming out is orders of magnitude better than any computer speakers I have ever tried. Your advice is sound, but I'd add that there are (or at least were) some really exceptional computer speakers. Sonigistix, for example, made flat panel speakers that are now the stuff of legend (see the Legacy section of the Wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsoon_speakers). I can attest to this because I'm lucky enough to have a set of Monsoons (two flat-panel speakers and a subwoofer) that came with a Micron computer years ago. They're better than my real stereo speakers. Whenever I get a new system, I throw out whatever speakers might come with it and move the Monsoons. They're unbelievable. Sonigistix is unfortunately gone. I don't know if anyone's making anything comparable now. A Google search for best computer speakers turns up some stuff that people like, although I don't see the sort of raves that the Monsoons used to get. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ipod Touch question
Woot.com had Refurb 30GB iPods last week for $100. You can find them on amazon for $125. On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Yeah the last thing I really need is a portable Video player or MP3 player. (Not that I do not like them but my needs weigh heavily on productive not leisure) I too a look online and Palm Life Drives are going for a bout $100 on Ebay. Not bad. Stewart At 10:05 AM 4/5/2009, you wrote: Walking down the street is hardly the place to appreciate quality audio. A really good set of headphones would probably block out so much of the environment that I would get hit by a truck. But I don't want to eclipse Stuart's original question. Does the iPod Touch offer enough functionality to allow replacement of a PDA? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Verizon Speed Test A Fraud
So what was the problem with the router? I replaced it. It is rare for such hardware to fail, but I do see it from time to time. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Request recommendation for computer speakers
I don't know what anyone else does, but, if I want decent sound out of my computer, I connect it from the line out jack to the aux in port on a mini stereo that was being discarded because the CD drive was bad. The sound coming out is orders of magnitude better than any computer speakers I have every tried. That is exactly what I do. Works great. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
They have a bias that can be seen pretty easily. (Ask Tom about their reviews and recommendations on Computers) I think it only rational to evaluate CR based on how they rate things I do know a lot about (yes, computers). In this area their bias has been so blatent that it throws into question everything they do. I have seen them print survey statistics and then in the text state the exact opposite of what the statistics showed. I wonder about their overall quality control if they let one group of reviewers run so far amuck for so many years without getting caught. I wonder how much support they get from the Gates Foundation. Based on what I do know is true I would not trust CR's recommendations on anything. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Request recommendation for computer speakers
Tom Piwowar wrote: I don't know what anyone else does, but, if I want decent sound out of my computer, I connect it from the line out jack to the aux in port on a mini stereo that was being discarded because the CD drive was bad. The sound coming out is orders of magnitude better than any computer speakers I have every tried. Not true IMHO. A set of Pro-Logic Dolby Surround speakers (a left and a right and a woofer unit) by Altec Lansing or other manufacturers will rival serious audiophile systems. If you look around at thrift shops, 2nd hand stores you can find them for $20-$30 and probably $125 new. You'll be amazed... db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ipod Touch question
Woot.com had Refurb 30GB iPods last week for $100. You can find them on amazon for $125. I had one of those from buy.com (which owns woot) and the hold switch was broken when I got it. The battery life was very poor, too. I returned it and luckily, they were out, so they issued a refund. This let me buy a much better refurbed 80 GB from Apple for $169 (the 30 GB were $150 when I bought mine about 9 months ago, which I didn't know about until after I bought the 30 GB). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Length of Firewire/Mini DV cable
Does anyone know if there are length limits to this type of cable? I'm only finding 13' as the max length. We have a video transfer unit (which is in a fixed location), are putting a video editing workstation in the same room. However, we may have 2 people working in the room at the same time, it would be inconvenient if one needs to work on the transfer unit, while the other is working on editing. But, we'll need to use the transfer unit to capture video, so it has to be somewhat close. Any thoughts? tia. david David Turk Manager, Preservation Imaging Services Indiana Historical Society Eugene and Marilyn Glick Indiana History Center 450 W. Ohio St. Indianapolis, IN 46202 (317) 232-4592 dt...@indianahistory.org * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
The problem I see with CR is that they have two completely different approaches to products. One approach is to stress test products in a controlled laboratory environment, while the other is to have reviewers just play with products and report on how they liked/disliked them. If you want to find out which house paint holds up the best, CR will give you the results of their exhaustive testing. n the other hand, if you want to find out which Merlot or Chardonnay is best, maybe you should check out Food Wine Magazine. On that note, I put personal computers and software in the latter category. But I have to say that getting unbiased reviews of ANY product is a very difficult challenge, whether it be entertainment, computing, autos, photography, or even breakfast cereal. So much of the valuation of these things is a personal experience that finding universal objective measurements is close to impossible. My own approach is to try to get a sampling of various opinions and try to determine which come closest to the way I would value that product or service. For instance, I almost never change the stations on my car radio, so a complaint that the controls are difficult to operate is meaningless to me, but they could be very critical to someone who fiddles with his/her car audio constantly. Mike Tom Piwowar wrote: They have a bias that can be seen pretty easily. (Ask Tom about their reviews and recommendations on Computers) I think it only rational to evaluate CR based on how they rate things I do know a lot about (yes, computers). In this area their bias has been so blatent that it throws into question everything they do. I have seen them print survey statistics and then in the text state the exact opposite of what the statistics showed. I wonder about their overall quality control if they let one group of reviewers run so far amuck for so many years without getting caught. I wonder how much support they get from the Gates Foundation. Based on what I do know is true I would not trust CR's recommendations on anything. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Mini Stereo? [Was: Request recommendation for computer speakers
Not true IMHO. But if I already have an audiophile-grade mini stereo in my office I might as well use it and not clutter the place up with more speakers. For others, getting a mini stereo may be a good move as it adds capabilities along with the speakers. I really don't want to be playing CDs via my computer's optical drive. Has anyone seen a good audiophile-grade mini stereo? Mine is now over 20 years old and has lost some functions. When I went shopping for a replacement all I saw was big and ugly units that looked more like boom boxes. I have a Yamaha YST-R7. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Length of Firewire/Mini DV cable
Does anyone know if there are length limits to this type of cable? I'm only finding 13' as the max length. That is true for FW400 using an alpha connector. FW800 using a beta connector gos 100 metres. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mini Stereo?
Seeing as how surround sound is a MUST for my gaming setup, mini stereos are OUT. But that's okay because there's nothing wrong with my Turtle Beach sound card and cheap Acoustic Authority 5.1 speakers with remote volume control (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002QKUUM). It's capable of playing way louder than I can usually stand. Any external amp would just get in the way. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Length of Firewire/Mini DV cable
Ya, about 15 meters is the maximum length of a firewire cable. But you can get extenders (e,g, http://sewelldirect.com/firewireextension.asp). I have no idea if they work well for capturing as we've never used one. The problem is that you really need the deck close by to capture, not across the room - I mean, who wants to have to get up and run across the room to change tapes or just see what the deck is doing? Any reason you can't just use the one station for capturing, then move the hard drive to the editor? Or just get a cheap second deck to use at the second workstation? On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:17 AM, David Turk dt...@indianahistory.org wrote: Does anyone know if there are length limits to this type of cable? I'm only finding 13' as the max length. We have a video transfer unit (which is in a fixed location), are putting a video editing workstation in the same room. However, we may have 2 people working in the room at the same time, it would be inconvenient if one needs to work on the transfer unit, while the other is working on editing. But, we'll need to use the transfer unit to capture video, so it has to be somewhat close. Any thoughts? tia. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mini Stereo? [Was: Request recommendation for computer speakers
Its smaller, and Sony usually has good quality sound. You won't be using it at a party but it should provide quality sound loud enough for an office environment. http://www.crutchfield.com/g_10210/Boomboxes.html?c=7tp=251avf=N Sony ZS-S2iP S2 Sport® CD/radio boombox with iPod® dock (Black/ White) * For all docking iPods, including video iPods, iPod photos, iPod nanos, and iPod minis * CD player and AM/FM tuner * two 3-1/4 full-range speakers Mike Tom Piwowar wrote: Not true IMHO. But if I already have an audiophile-grade mini stereo in my office I might as well use it and not clutter the place up with more speakers. For others, getting a mini stereo may be a good move as it adds capabilities along with the speakers. I really don't want to be playing CDs via my computer's optical drive. Has anyone seen a good audiophile-grade mini stereo? Mine is now over 20 years old and has lost some functions. When I went shopping for a replacement all I saw was big and ugly units that looked more like boom boxes. I have a Yamaha YST-R7. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mini Stereo? [Was: Request recommendation for computer speakers
I have a 20 yr old JVC mini-stereo that is also losing some functions. and I agree ... most of the new mini-stereo look like transformer robots to me. I see few smaller units here and there for the kitchen etc that look decent enough but nothing very exciting. I guess the Bose mini-stereo might be the exception along with Bang Olufsen etc db Tom Piwowar wrote: Not true IMHO. But if I already have an audiophile-grade mini stereo in my office I might as well use it and not clutter the place up with more speakers. For others, getting a mini stereo may be a good move as it adds capabilities along with the speakers. I really don't want to be playing CDs via my computer's optical drive. Has anyone seen a good audiophile-grade mini stereo? Mine is now over 20 years old and has lost some functions. When I went shopping for a replacement all I saw was big and ugly units that looked more like boom boxes. I have a Yamaha YST-R7. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Request recommendation for computer speakers
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:56 AM, db db...@att.net wrote: Not true IMHO. A set of Pro-Logic Dolby Surround speakers (a left and a right and a woofer unit) by Altec Lansing or other manufacturers will rival serious audiophile systems. That depends upon what the meaning of serious is. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPod digital audio [was: Ipod Touch question]
Betty - If you haven't yet gone there, iLounge has exhaustive iPods discussion http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/reviews/entry/apple-ipod-touch-second-generation-8gb-16gb-32gb/ ...far more exhaustive than the shorthand responses you've gotten here. FWIW, I use noise-canceling headphones with my Nano, the fidelity is better than mid-fi, more than enough for my portable needs. Another person wasn't sure about using the Touch for business purposes - the App Store has many solutions. I await only an external bluetooth keyboard, and I'm onboard. Perhaps 3rd gen? --- On Sun, 4/5/09, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: From: b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es Subject: [CGUYS] iPod digital audio [was: Ipod Touch question] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 10:24 PM snip. Considering the hardware/software features that new iPhone/Touch software has revealed, like Bluetooth in the iPod Touch, it wouldn't surprise me if one of the iPods already has digital audio, but it hasn't been unlocked yet. If not, is it possible to add digital audio in a small music player with current technology [and an inline amp], and keep it affordable [assuming that the 32GB Touch is affordable? Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] codec packs
Ended up installing CCCP, i've used VLC many times, will probably install it anyway, but I wanted something that would allow me to play media in a nicer looking media player. Seems to go ok, no hiccups so far. On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: First I would just install VLC. If there's anything you can't play after that (unlikely), go after it individually. On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 9:14 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking at a clean install currently and am asking for opinions on the best (lightest) installer pack for playing all the different formats out there. One of the odd ones are .mkv. I have some in the video install folder, waiting if necessary to be installed such as ffdshow, matroska pack lite...CCCP... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] codec packs
FYI, There are skins for VLC that will make it look like any other player you want. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:53 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Ended up installing CCCP, i've used VLC many times, will probably install it anyway, but I wanted something that would allow me to play media in a nicer looking media player. Seems to go ok, no hiccups so far. On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: First I would just install VLC. If there's anything you can't play after that (unlikely), go after it individually. On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 9:14 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking at a clean install currently and am asking for opinions on the best (lightest) installer pack for playing all the different formats out there. One of the odd ones are .mkv. I have some in the video install folder, waiting if necessary to be installed such as ffdshow, matroska pack lite...CCCP... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New Gear Question Regrading USB 3
The first USB3 products are expected in Q4 2009 or 2010. It's hard to say when the first camcorder USB3 interfaces may appear, but if I had to guess I'd say NAB April 2010 for early prototypes, another year for shipping models. But you're behind the curve already. Camcorders use memory cards, and you transfer video via a USB2 card reader just fine; no USB3 needed. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:35 AM, trac...@aol.com wrote: I am going to need to buy a new digital video camcorder. With the advent of USB 3.0 on the horizon, does anyone have a time frame for when this interface will be in usage on camcorders? I don't want to invest in a 1080p camcorder with a firewire interface only to have it obsolete in 1-2 years. I am given to understand that even Apple will not support firewire by 2011. Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New Gear Question Regrading USB 3
USB 2 is actually behind firewire. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: The first USB3 products are expected in Q4 2009 or 2010. It's hard to say when the first camcorder USB3 interfaces may appear, but if I had to guess I'd say NAB April 2010 for early prototypes, another year for shipping models. But you're behind the curve already. Camcorders use memory cards, and you transfer video via a USB2 card reader just fine; no USB3 needed. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:35 AM, trac...@aol.com wrote: I am going to need to buy a new digital video camcorder. With the advent of USB 3.0 on the horizon, does anyone have a time frame for when this interface will be in usage on camcorders? I don't want to invest in a 1080p camcorder with a firewire interface only to have it obsolete in 1-2 years. I am given to understand that even Apple will not support firewire by 2011. Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New Gear Question Regrading USB 3
You can get 32gig sdhc cards I believe. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Small end do cards. Most of the better ones have Harddrives and capacities of 30 GB. A Card tops out at 4-8 GB not good enough for more than an hour or two. HD HQ digital Video takes lots of capacity that outstrips cards fast. Stewart At 12:19 PM 4/6/2009, you wrote: The first USB3 products are expected in Q4 2009 or 2010. It's hard to say when the first camcorder USB3 interfaces may appear, but if I had to guess I'd say NAB April 2010 for early prototypes, another year for shipping models. But you're behind the curve already. Camcorders use memory cards, and you transfer video via a USB2 card reader just fine; no USB3 needed. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:35 AM, trac...@aol.com wrote: I am going to need to buy a new digital video camcorder. With the advent of USB 3.0 on the horizon, does anyone have a time frame for when this interface will be in usage on camcorders? I don't want to invest in a 1080p camcorder with a firewire interface only to have it obsolete in 1-2 years. I am given to understand that even Apple will not support firewire by 2011. Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Length of Firewire/Mini DV cable
Does anyone know if there are length limits to this type of cable? I'm only finding 13' as the max length. We have a video transfer unit (which is in a fixed location), are putting a video editing workstation in the same room. However, we may have 2 people working in the room at the same time, it would be inconvenient if one needs to work on the transfer unit, while the other is working on editing. But, we'll need to use the transfer unit to capture video, so it has to be somewhat close. Any thoughts? tia. The video transfer and two users are in the same room. Why not use the wired network instead of long FW cables? Use file sharing if necessary. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New Gear Question Regrading USB 3
Small end do cards. Most of the better ones have Harddrives and capacities of 30 GB. A Card tops out at 4-8 GB not good enough for more than an hour or two. HD HQ digital Video takes lots of capacity that outstrips cards fast. Stewart At 12:19 PM 4/6/2009, you wrote: The first USB3 products are expected in Q4 2009 or 2010. It's hard to say when the first camcorder USB3 interfaces may appear, but if I had to guess I'd say NAB April 2010 for early prototypes, another year for shipping models. But you're behind the curve already. Camcorders use memory cards, and you transfer video via a USB2 card reader just fine; no USB3 needed. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:35 AM, trac...@aol.com wrote: I am going to need to buy a new digital video camcorder. With the advent of USB 3.0 on the horizon, does anyone have a time frame for when this interface will be in usage on camcorders? I don't want to invest in a 1080p camcorder with a firewire interface only to have it obsolete in 1-2 years. I am given to understand that even Apple will not support firewire by 2011. Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Length of Firewire/Mini DV cable
We only had money in the budget for one station. I've reworked where I'm putting the station; was perpendicular to the transfer unit, now is adjacent. This will solve the problem. Thanks. david David Turk Manager, Preservation Imaging Services Indiana Historical Society Eugene and Marilyn Glick Indiana History Center 450 W. Ohio St. Indianapolis, IN 46202 (317) 232-4592 dt...@indianahistory.org -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Tony B Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:44 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Length of Firewire/Mini DV cable Ya, about 15 meters is the maximum length of a firewire cable. But you can get extenders (e,g, http://sewelldirect.com/firewireextension.asp). I have no idea if they work well for capturing as we've never used one. The problem is that you really need the deck close by to capture, not across the room - I mean, who wants to have to get up and run across the room to change tapes or just see what the deck is doing? Any reason you can't just use the one station for capturing, then move the hard drive to the editor? Or just get a cheap second deck to use at the second workstation? On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:17 AM, David Turk dt...@indianahistory.org wrote: Does anyone know if there are length limits to this type of cable? I'm only finding 13' as the max length. We have a video transfer unit (which is in a fixed location), are putting a video editing workstation in the same room. However, we may have 2 people working in the room at the same time, it would be inconvenient if one needs to work on the transfer unit, while the other is working on editing. But, we'll need to use the transfer unit to capture video, so it has to be somewhat close. Any thoughts? tia. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New Gear Question Regrading USB 3
You are incorrect. See http://tinyurl.com/4nms5n . And high end pro camcorders are also doing away with tape; Panasonic has no tape models at all this year. You're right that some tapeless systems use hard drives or disks, but solid state memory is cheap these days so that's the direction everyone's heading. Even at 21mbps you can get 1.5 hours on a cheap 8GB SDHC card. And these prices are falling all the time. I'm telling you now, if you're looking for a new camcorder, do NOT get one with a tape drive in it, unless they offer you a _really_ good deal. USB 2 is actually behind firewire. I have no idea what you mean here, as we were discussing USB3 here. I guess you mean that, on paper, USB2 is slightly slower than 1394a? No matter, as USB3 will rival eSata speeds and is killing off 1394 entirely. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Small end do cards. Most of the better ones have Harddrives and capacities of 30 GB. A Card tops out at 4-8 GB not good enough for more than an hour or two. HD HQ digital Video takes lots of capacity that outstrips cards fast. Stewart At 12:19 PM 4/6/2009, you wrote: The first USB3 products are expected in Q4 2009 or 2010. It's hard to say when the first camcorder USB3 interfaces may appear, but if I had to guess I'd say NAB April 2010 for early prototypes, another year for shipping models. But you're behind the curve already. Camcorders use memory cards, and you transfer video via a USB2 card reader just fine; no USB3 needed. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:35 AM, trac...@aol.com wrote: I am going to need to buy a new digital video camcorder. With the advent of USB 3.0 on the horizon, does anyone have a time frame for when this interface will be in usage on camcorders? I don't want to invest in a 1080p camcorder with a firewire interface only to have it obsolete in 1-2 years. I am given to understand that even Apple will not support firewire by 2011. Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New Gear Question Regrading USB 3
I'm telling you now, if you're looking for a new camcorder, do NOT get one with a tape drive in it, unless they offer you a _really_ good deal. You definitely do not want tape. It won't be long before you find it hard to buy tape. That will make you camera very obsolete. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New Gear Question Regrading USB 3
USB 2 is actually behind firewire. The raw data rate for USB is higher than FW, but as is often the case, things are not what they first appear to be. USB is processor bound, FW is not, so effective data rates are higher with FW. I would not be so sure that FW is obsolete. Video folks need speed and are less likely to give it up for a $2 savings achieved by using cheap hardware. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Length of Firewire/Mini DV cable
When I say video transfer unit, what I'm talking about is a standalone unit comprised of various media players (16mm film, VHS, Umatic, etc.); it's not a computer, isn't networked. There's also a DVD Recorder, with a Mini DV port. That's where the Firewire comes in. david David Turk Manager, Preservation Imaging Services Indiana Historical Society Eugene and Marilyn Glick Indiana History Center 450 W. Ohio St. Indianapolis, IN 46202 (317) 232-4592 dt...@indianahistory.org -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of b_s-wilk Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:04 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Length of Firewire/Mini DV cable Does anyone know if there are length limits to this type of cable? I'm only finding 13' as the max length. We have a video transfer unit (which is in a fixed location), are putting a video editing workstation in the same room. However, we may have 2 people working in the room at the same time, it would be inconvenient if one needs to work on the transfer unit, while the other is working on editing. But, we'll need to use the transfer unit to capture video, so it has to be somewhat close. Any thoughts? tia. The video transfer and two users are in the same room. Why not use the wired network instead of long FW cables? Use file sharing if necessary. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New Gear Question Regrading USB 3
Then they have really maxed out those cards. I was not aware that they were putting them out. They are expensive though (I looked 60-160 per card) The ones with the Harddrive option are not bad. I would not advocate getting one with tape today as SS memory is the best option (Quicker and cleaner) (Also note one of the biggest problems with any tape type of recording device is head alignment!) However notice 1.5 hours on 8 GB card. Video takes a lot of room, and if you are doing a lot of recording have lots of cards available. Stewart At 01:11 PM 4/6/2009, you wrote: You are incorrect. See http://tinyurl.com/4nms5n . And high end pro camcorders are also doing away with tape; Panasonic has no tape models at all this year. You're right that some tapeless systems use hard drives or disks, but solid state memory is cheap these days so that's the direction everyone's heading. Even at 21mbps you can get 1.5 hours on a cheap 8GB SDHC card. And these prices are falling all the time. I'm telling you now, if you're looking for a new camcorder, do NOT get one with a tape drive in it, unless they offer you a _really_ good deal. USB 2 is actually behind firewire. I have no idea what you mean here, as we were discussing USB3 here. I guess you mean that, on paper, USB2 is slightly slower than 1394a? No matter, as USB3 will rival eSata speeds and is killing off 1394 entirely. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Small end do cards. Most of the better ones have Harddrives and capacities of 30 GB. A Card tops out at 4-8 GB not good enough for more than an hour or two. HD HQ digital Video takes lots of capacity that outstrips cards fast. Stewart At 12:19 PM 4/6/2009, you wrote: The first USB3 products are expected in Q4 2009 or 2010. It's hard to say when the first camcorder USB3 interfaces may appear, but if I had to guess I'd say NAB April 2010 for early prototypes, another year for shipping models. But you're behind the curve already. Camcorders use memory cards, and you transfer video via a USB2 card reader just fine; no USB3 needed. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:35 AM, trac...@aol.com wrote: I am going to need to buy a new digital video camcorder. With the advent of USB 3.0 on the horizon, does anyone have a time frame for when this interface will be in usage on camcorders? I don't want to invest in a 1080p camcorder with a firewire interface only to have it obsolete in 1-2 years. I am given to understand that even Apple will not support firewire by 2011. Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Request recommendation for computer speakers
That depends upon what the meaning of serious is. Like a pair of Altec Lansing A4s? (640 lbs each) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Request recommendation for computer speakers
That sounds like a pair of Klipsch Corner Horns. BIG Stewart At 01:39 PM 4/6/2009, you wrote: That depends upon what the meaning of serious is. Like a pair of Altec Lansing A4s? (640 lbs each) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New Gear Question Regrading USB 3
Is the new USB spec the same as the old spec in this regard? With the raw speed increase in USB with this new type, it must be quite an overhall. Mike On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: USB 2 is actually behind firewire. The raw data rate for USB is higher than FW, but as is often the case, things are not what they first appear to be. USB is processor bound, FW is not, so effective data rates are higher with FW. I would not be so sure that FW is obsolete. Video folks need speed and are less likely to give it up for a $2 savings achieved by using cheap hardware. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Request recommendation for computer speakers
I keep a small computer by my entertainment system, running a toslink from the computer to the A/V unit and keep itunes running on the computer. I can then use my ipod touch to play music on the computer. Speakers are small but powerful Polk units. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: That depends upon what the meaning of serious is. Like a pair of Altec Lansing A4s? (640 lbs each) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
CR will give you the results of their exhaustive testing. n the other hand, if you want to find out which Merlot or Chardonnay is best, maybe you should check out Food Wine Magazine. On that note, I put personal computers and software in the latter category. I agree. I get all my computer information from Cook's magazine. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mini Stereo? [Was: Request recommendation for compu
Sony ZS-S2iP S2 Sport® CD/radio boombox with iPod® dock Thanks, but no way. I just noticed that www.audioreview.com has a section on mini systems. Some of those look promising. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New Gear Question Regrading USB 3
However notice 1.5 hours on 8 GB card. Video takes a lot of room, and if you are doing a lot of recording have lots of cards available. What some shooters do is offload during the day. Most any laptop will hold hundreds of hours of video footage, so you can keep shooting all day long with 1 or 2 memory cards. The pros have dedicated offload devices, usually RAIDs (like their SSDs). The raw data rate for USB is higher than FW, but as is often the case, things are not what they first appear to be. USB is processor bound, FW is not, so effective data rates are higher with FW. I would not be so sure that FW is obsolete. Video folks need speed and are less likely to give it up for a $2 savings achieved by using cheap hardware. Please please. This thread is clearly labeled USB3. That's THREE. A version of firewire that even comes close to it in speed will likely never see the light of day. Not the first time a lesser tech has won out in the end. But the fact is, the multicore CPUs we have these days have so much unused power sitting there who really cares if some CPU is used to transfer files? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Length of Firewire/Mini DV cable
Are you drinking again today? She didn't specify a particular type of network. Fact is, many post houses use networks - gigbit and fibre channel - both faster even than firewire 800. The reason I didn't implement networking (NAS - network attached storage) for our workstations is twofold. First, it's always been dicey capturing while dealing with a lot of network traffic. But most importantly, having NAS like this gives the whole place a single point of failure. The LAST thing I want is all work to come to a halt while I drive in to diagnose a problem. Much better for each workstation to be totally independent. It's broke? No problem - I'll take it home next week and get it back to you asap! On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: The video transfer and two users are in the same room. Why not use the wired network instead of long FW cables? Use file sharing if necessary. FW is a heck of a lot faster. Especially important for large video files. P.S. MS decreed it would cease supporting networking over FW starting with Vista. Yet one more reason to stick with XP. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New Gear Question Regrading USB 3
Is the new USB spec the same as the old spec in this regard? With the raw speed increase in USB with this new type, it must be quite an overhall. If the transfer rate is processor bound I don't think upping the raw transfer rate means much. The slowest part of the system is going to determine your max throughput. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] More Competition
Looks like the phone companies are thinking about selling computers and cutting MS out of the equation. T-Mobile is making noises about an Android-based tablet PC. After all, isn't a phone just a small computer with a wireless network? http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/google/showArticle.jhtml?artic leID=216402967subSection=OpenSource * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New Gear Question Regrading USB 3
I understand that, but occasionally I do video taping for conferences with a variety of presenters. I would need a variety of cards to make sure I am always ready to tape when needed. Also I always buy a Camera with an Audio/Mike in port so I can directly hook into the sounds system. I could see buying a few 16GB cards to make sure you have enough on hand. Stewart At 02:10 PM 4/6/2009, you wrote: However notice 1.5 hours on 8 GB card. Video takes a lot of room, and if you are doing a lot of recording have lots of cards available. What some shooters do is offload during the day. Most any laptop will hold hundreds of hours of video footage, so you can keep shooting all day long with 1 or 2 memory cards. The pros have dedicated offload devices, usually RAIDs (like their SSDs). Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] More Competition
This is why MS is selling a dumbed down version of 7 for cheap to netbook manufacturers. Trying to keep themselves in the loop with the netbook crowd. So the question will be, is it worth 20-50 bux more to run windows then linux? And before someone complains about the hamstrung windows, I've run linux on a netbook on several machines, it's not full blown linux either...it was very much like running andoid. Personally I'd buy the android and install ubuntuor just stick to my ipod touch. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Looks like the phone companies are thinking about selling computers and cutting MS out of the equation. T-Mobile is making noises about an Android-based tablet PC. After all, isn't a phone just a small computer with a wireless network? http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/google/showArticle.jhtml?artic leID=216402967subSection=OpenSourcehttp://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/google/showArticle.jhtml?artic%0AleID=216402967subSection=OpenSource * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Length of Firewire/Mini DV cable
Are you drinking again today? She didn't specify a particular type of network. Fact is, many post houses use networks - gigbit and fibre channel - both faster even than firewire 800. Well at least you are consistently clueless. RFC 2734 and 3146. OHCI DMA in hardware. High speed and low latency. Not processor bound. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New Gear Question Regrading USB 3
Please please. This thread is clearly labeled USB3. That's THREE. A version of firewire that even comes close to it in speed will likely never see the light of day. Not the first time a lesser tech has won out in the end. But the fact is, the multicore CPUs we have these days have so much unused power sitting there who really cares if some CPU is used to transfer files? Let's not discuss anything that Vista doesn't do. [click heels and salute] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
I've been a car nut all my life and been reading about cars in newspapers, Road and Track, Car and Driver, and Consumer Reports for 40 years. I've owned around 15, and driven and ridden in a couple dozen more. I'm sure many or most people disagree with me but my perception is that as far as quality and reliability goes, cars from the far east and many of the European makers are clearly better that the Americans makes. There is often talk in the media about improvements in satisfaction of American car buyers, but as far as customer surveys go, the ones I've seen still indicate that the American makers are still well behind in the satisfaction ratings. Enjoy! Tom Piwowar wrote: Please tell me where you have read that American autos are high quality. Where have you read that they are not? Should not the accuser be the one who must provide the evidence? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
Alvin Auerbach wrote: ...from what I could tell. As individuals, our car yarns are anecdotes. When Consumer Reports (CR) collects all of those anecdotes, they become statistics. CR has auto test engineers who test the cars in CR's own lab and on CR's own test track. No individual can do all of that. No individual can make the sound judgement of quality and performance and reliability that CR can, using their own tests and the data gathered from their readers; and data from government and insurance industry tests. I agree. But I still take some of their ratings of products with a grain of salt. I like the Mac, but it took CR a long time to say much of anything good about Apple computers. I would not but any car that is not a station wagon. I also have never considered buying an SUV. That eliminates 95% of car models, and until recently pretty much all American cars. So I'd have to fish through a lot of their ratings to find anything to buy. I don't think CR is much effected by public opinion, but they do rate and talk about products for the mainstream public. I think they take the perspective of the mainstream public. I'm not much a mainstream guy, so again 95% of what they talk about and rate, I would never buy. I think the info CR provides is an excellent tool. You just have to use it an a way that makes it work for you. After years of subscribing to CR I finally stopped the magazine and now I just pay a small yearly fee for access to their testing and ratings on line. Jordan * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] More Competition
This is why MS is selling a dumbed down version of 7 for cheap to netbook manufacturers. I just read that Win 7 will come with rights to downgrade to XP. Nobody is asking about Vista. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] More Competition
Where are you reading this? All reports I've read/heard said win 7 was faster then both. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: This is why MS is selling a dumbed down version of 7 for cheap to netbook manufacturers. I just read that Win 7 will come with rights to downgrade to XP. Nobody is asking about Vista. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] More Competition
Dells Business line has offered the down grade ever since XP went of the market - nice profit center - you can't get it with the home version - only the business/ultimate versions for $99/$129 respectively. Mike Tom Piwowar wrote: This is why MS is selling a dumbed down version of 7 for cheap to netbook manufacturers. I just read that Win 7 will come with rights to downgrade to XP. Nobody is asking about Vista. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] More Competition
No matter...found it. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 3:17 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Where are you reading this? All reports I've read/heard said win 7 was faster then both. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: This is why MS is selling a dumbed down version of 7 for cheap to netbook manufacturers. I just read that Win 7 will come with rights to downgrade to XP. Nobody is asking about Vista. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Request recommendation for computer speakers
Speakers are small but powerful Polk units. I guess this is close to OT, but WTH: Matt Polk (as in Polk Audio) was a fraternity brother of mine. In his freshman dorm room he had an audio system that he had built from scratch in high school (including the speakers). You simply would not believe the sound. One day Polk wasn't around and I noticed his roommate listening to music on a horrible, tinny radio alarm clock. I asked him why he would do this when he had this incredible system to use, and he said that it was impossible to concentrate on studying when the thing was in use, even if you turned all the equalizer settings all the way down. I don't think Matt has anything to do with Polk Audio any more, though. I heard that he sold the company for a pile of money. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New Gear Question Regrading USB 3
I read a bit about camcorders for a couple years until I was sure people were pretty happy with the AVCHD format that the hard drive camcorders use. I finally got one in January. One thing I think Consumer Reports is good for is checking out the reliability of brands. When I was deciding to buy I looked at Canon, Sony, and Panasonic. I ended up getting a Canon HG20 which has a 60 GB hard drive. If you record at the camera's highest frame rate there is room for 5 1/2 hours. At the slowest rate you have almost 23 hours. I use a middle rate most of the time. It downloads to the computer with USB 2. With a recording in a middle speed it seemed to me that it was downloading in something close to real time. In other words, if I had an hour of footage it took an hour to download. That seems slow, but I saw no reason to be irritated by it. Blah, blah, blah, I can go on and on, but these points might give you a place to start. I like getting stuff like this at Costco because I like the company and their policies. Obviously that severely limited my choices, but I'm pretty happy with what I got. The only thing I regret is that the camera I got does not have a viewfinder. I think this is a serious drawback if you'll be shooting a lot in bright sun. The LCD panel can be hard to see. The best place I found to check out really thorough reviews of camcorders is http://www.camcorderinfo.com/ The insight and discussion of features that they have are great. Beyond that you can look at reviews on the NY times web site and others. Jordan trac...@aol.com wrote: I am going to need to buy a new digital video camcorder. With the advent of USB 3.0 on the horizon, does anyone have a time frame for when this interface will be in usage on camcorders? I don't want to invest in a 1080p camcorder with a firewire interface only to have it obsolete in 1-2 years. I am given to understand that even Apple will not support firewire by 2011. Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New Gear Question Regrading USB 3
Small end do cards. Most of the better ones have Harddrives and capacities of 30 GB. A Card tops out at 4-8 GB not good enough for more than an hour or two. HD HQ digital Video takes lots of capacity that outstrips cards fast. I have a Canon Elura that's about 3 years old. It uses mini DV tapes. It has both FireWire and USB for tranfers, but I only use FW with Final Cut. I would never consider a videocam that doesn't have removable, rewritable media. Newer SD cards are much larger than 4-8GB. 32GB cards are below $100. 64GB flash drives are below $150. Samsung and Panasonic are releasing 64GB SD and CF cards. However, solid state drive prices are coming down fast. I would consider a solid state drive if it's removable. Until there are affordable, quality removable media for videocams, I'd wait for that, and not worry about the transfer technology since my cam has FireWire. BTW, FW isn't going away, except in many consumer devices. FireWire is significantly faster and more reliable than USB, and remains in professional videocams. No matter how fast USB3 is rated, it's still only one-way transfer. The advantage of removable media is that you don't have to connect the videocam to a computer or display except to view and edit the results, not for transfer. As one who used film ['rolled' my own still, movie film, video tape] in large quantities for my work, I only consider removable media in large quantities. I'll stay with digital tapes as long as they're available. Plenty of new pro cams still use tape. Chad? Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mini Stereo? [Was: Request recommendation for computer speakers
Has anyone seen a good audiophile-grade mini stereo? Sure. The Meridian F-80 has gotten good reviews. If that's too stratospheric, Tivoli Audio makes the Music System, which I wouldn't exactly call audiophile but like all their Henry Kloss derived products is very nicely executed and costs about 1/3 of the Meridian. Neither of these are going to touch a true audiophile system, they fall onto a category I'd describe as table radios with CD capabilites. I could make some recommendations if you'll email me a budget. Presumably you already have a computer with an optical TOSLINK port. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New Gear Question Regrading USB 3
You are incorrect. See http://tinyurl.com/4nms5n . And high end pro camcorders are also doing away with tape; Panasonic has no tape models at all this year. You're right that some tapeless systems use hard drives or disks, but solid state memory is cheap these days so that's the direction everyone's heading. Even at 21mbps you can get 1.5 hours on a cheap 8GB SDHC card. And these prices are falling all the time. I'm telling you now, if you're looking for a new camcorder, do NOT get one with a tape drive in it, unless they offer you a _really_ good deal. USB 2 is actually behind firewire. I have no idea what you mean here, as we were discussing USB3 here. I guess you mean that, on paper, USB2 is slightly slower than 1394a? No matter, as USB3 will rival eSata speeds and is killing off 1394 entirely. Not many pros use Panasonic videocams. They're more likely to use Canon or [ugh] Sony. Canon continues to use DV tape and Firewire ports, as do Sony and Panasonic. Pros do not use nonremovable media, unless they can switch cameras instead of switching tapes or cards. On site or on the road, it's not likely that pros would carry more than two cams. FireWire is significantly faster than USB2 in real time by up to 400%, but usually around 200%, since data can move in both directions simultaneously with FW, but only one way with USB2. Firewire transfers data more or less independently while USB relies on a processor. Unless USB3 is 2-4X faster than USB2, it's still slower than FW400, and much slower than FW800, and it's still one-way. USB 3 might be good for backup drives, but not for video. Avoid videocams with a hard drive or nonrewritable discs. Only use removable rewritable media--for SD/CF, nothing smaller than at least 16GB, or mini DV tapes. Otherwise your media will run out before you're done making videos. I'm glad mine didn't run out this weekend! Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New Gear Question Regrading USB 3
I'm telling you now, if you're looking for a new camcorder, do NOT get one with a tape drive in it, unless they offer you a _really_ good deal. You definitely do not want tape. It won't be long before you find it hard to buy tape. That will make you camera very obsolete. Unless you use a professional videocam. Most of the newest models use tape. USB3 claims to be 10X faster than USB2. In real world applications, that makes it about as fast as FW800. But is it as reliable as FW for video? I doubt it. What if the USB3 device isn't the only one on the bus? How does it compare the the new FW project? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] codec packs
Did you have to Uninstall all other individual codecs and filters (like DirectVobSub, ffdshow, CoreVorbis, CoreAAC, etc.)?? I seem to have about 270 of them in the list provided by CCCP Insurgent. * Date:Mon, 6 Apr 2009 09:53:17 -0700 From:mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: codec packs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ended up installing CCCP, i've used VLC many times, will probably install it anyway, but I wanted something that would allow me to play media in a nicer looking media player. Seems to go ok, no hiccups so far. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...
Just saw another new Windows ad on TV. No Lauren. A guy this time. He says that Macs are all about esthetics, not computing power. He wants a Windows machine because he is picky. He is an elitist. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] 60 Minutes story on deadly computer virus
Would this logic apply to voting? If someone can't read or doesn't know the 3 branches of federal government or what continent California is in or has an IQ of 60, should they be trusted with the installation of political leadership (voting)? No, at least not with my sister. She's a PhD. I'm pretty sure this is off topic though, since at that point the discussion was about computer administration, not who gets to vote in an American election. In my case, I built and own the machine. I say who has admin rights. If you don't like it, and she didn't, well, I'm sorry. Build your own machine and you can do whatever you like with it. It isn't comparable to voting. At one time only white male landowners could vote. Those days are gone, thankfully. But I'm pretty sure this is off-topic. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Request recommendation for computer speakers
http://www.jvc.com/presentations/WoodConeSpeakers/index.html Date:Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:55:59 -0400 From:Robert Carroll carrollcompu...@gmail.com Subject: Request recommendation for computer speakers My Klipsch 2.1 computer speakers no longer work. Don't know why. Power is on, and cheapie speakers play OK when inserted into the same audio output jack that the 2.1 speakers use. Also, have checked Device Manager Play Control to see that all reports OK (Windows XP Pro). Two questions: (1) Is there some further test to do on the speakers before deciding that they have failed and need to be replaced? (They are out of warranty.) (2) Recommendations for a high-quality 2.1 speaker system, preferably under $200. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Pro Video Cameras
Plenty of pros use Panasonic. The thought was that hi def digital instead of film would allow them to produce a quality product with fewer crew members. What they are discovering is that they require a dedicated crew member with training to handle the P2 cards, in the same way that a film crew would have a dedicated Film Loader. The HVX200 has two hot swappable card slots so you can shoot continuously and your card handler can be moving the footage onto media drives for evaluation and editing. You can load in faster than real time, you can begin working with the footage with minimum turn around time, and the footage is in high def resolutions. The Panasonics have been the darlings of indie and pro production for the last 5 years. All that is changing with the Red One, though. It eats 'Hi Def' cameras for breakfast. Rocky Date:Mon, 6 Apr 2009 20:56:49 -0400 From:b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es Subject: Re: New Gear Question Regrading USB 3 Not many pros use Panasonic videocams. They're more likely to use Canon or [ugh] Sony. Canon continues to use DV tape and Firewire ports, as do Sony and Panasonic. Pros do not use nonremovable media, unless they can switch cameras instead of switching tapes or cards. On site or on the road, it's not likely that pros would carry more than two cams. FireWire is significantly faster than USB2 in real time by up to 400%, but usually around 200%, since data can move in both directions simultaneously with FW, but only one way with USB2. Firewire transfers data more or less independently while USB relies on a processor. Unless USB3 is 2-4X faster than USB2, it's still slower than FW400, and much slower than FW800, and it's still one-way. USB 3 might be good for backup drives, but not for video. Avoid videocams with a hard drive or nonrewritable discs. Only use removable rewritable media--for SD/CF, nothing smaller than at least 16GB, or mini DV tapes. Otherwise your media will run out before you're done making videos. I'm glad mine didn't run out this weekend! Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
