Re: [CGUYS] External cases
There are two main different types of external cases. PATA and SATA. The polder drives that take the big flat cable and bog molex 4 pin power connector are PATA. The one you describe is an SATA drive. The PATA are what used to be called IDE drives. So you want a SATA external enclosure. Stewart At 12:26 AM 5/29/2009, you wrote: I've got an external case for 3 1/5" drives, but the area where you plug in the drive is a large 3" plug. The latest drives I want to use have 2 plugs, one about 1 1/2" and the other about 1". And then of course the little side plug that goes on the mounting bracket. My question is, when buying a new external case that will handle these new drives, what do I have to look for in its' description? The outside label of one of these drives simply says WD Caviar SE Serial ATA Hard Drive. It came out of my flat panel early version iMac G5. Jeff M * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac or PC laptop?
Jeff Miles wrote: On May 28, 2009, at 5:03 PM, Robert Carroll wrote: I'm considering buying a laptop. All my programs for my desktop are for PC, and these I will most likely use on a laptop. My question is: is it better to buy a PC to run PC programs, or a Mac to run PC programs? Please don't tell me that I can get as good as or better results using programs for Mac. Except for the odd example, running Mac programs is not going to happen with me. Then why are you even bothering asking the question? If you're dead set against running any Mac programs why would you even consider buying one? Jeff M * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Or as I would put it: Why buy a performance car if all you are ever going to is haul the kids across town in it. Yes, if you buy a Mac you can run Windows on it. But if you play a little with the Mac OS, I bet you'll come to appreciate it and use it more than you ever thought you would. That is when you'd see the real advantage of owning a Mac. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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[CGUYS] External cases
I've got an external case for 3 1/5" drives, but the area where you plug in the drive is a large 3" plug. The latest drives I want to use have 2 plugs, one about 1 1/2" and the other about 1". And then of course the little side plug that goes on the mounting bracket. My question is, when buying a new external case that will handle these new drives, what do I have to look for in its' description? The outside label of one of these drives simply says WD Caviar SE Serial ATA Hard Drive. It came out of my flat panel early version iMac G5. Jeff M * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
On May 28, 2009, at 1:12 AM, Matthew Taylor wrote: Not at all true in the DC metro area where I live or the NY metro area where I grew up. Lots of people commute on the trains and busses Mayor Bloomberg rides the subway to work and he is worth $billions. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
On May 27, 2009, at 8:25 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote: Nothing they can do to increase ridership will help so long as they operate under a model that has them loose money on each rider. You can't make it up in volume. Missing the big picture (once again). The point of public transportation is not to make money off of ridership. There are many indirect ways to make money. One big way is to use public transport instead of building other, much more expensive, things like roadways. A good public transport system also stimulates the economy of the region, which translates to higher tax receipts. Etc. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac or PC laptop?
On May 28, 2009, at 10:27 PM, rileyca...@espsound.com wrote: Your PC software will not run on a Mac - PERIOD. PC software will run on an Apple made computer if you have installed Windows on it but the Mac OS runs software written to run in the Mac operating system. This uninformed person has never heard of WINE. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac or PC laptop?
On May 28, 2009, at 9:13 PM, Robert Carroll wrote: Example (one of many): Matlab, with 13 toolboxes. Unfortunately, the Matlab web site doesn't list prices, but I estimate that the packages would cost around $1,000 to $2,000. There are quite a few other mathematical or scientific packages that are free to me for PC but for which I would have to pay for myself to get the Mac version. I recall reading that MathLab will let you run the Mac version even if your employer supplies Windows only. Of course I could have been hallucinating. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac or PC laptop?
On May 28, 2009, at 8:03 PM, Robert Carroll wrote: Please don't tell me that I can get as good as or better results using programs for Mac. Except for the odd example, running Mac programs is not going to happen with me. Dell sales are down 23%. I would start looking there for some screaming good deals. Apple sales are up. Less need for them to haggle over price. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] No Smiling [Was: Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest]
On May 28, 2009, at 7:03 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: Just meant to be humorous - sheesh, don't lose your sense of fun Did you catch the latest news from Homeland Security that from now on smiling for ID photos is prohibited. Apparently their computers do not like it when you smile. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
On May 27, 2009, at 7:46 PM, Paul Cannon wrote: Url ? I tried froogle and the prices were all over the map due to os release versions and different memory and graphic cards. I agree that Froogle is always worth a try,but can be messy. I often find good deals at dvwarehouse.com. Also check out dealmac.com for leads. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
It's sort of scary how often I almost sort of agree with you. Public transportation, public education, they have tangible benefits even though I don't ride buses currently or have children in school. But I have no problem paying for them because there are valid social reasons for doing so. Constitutionally, that's the "general welfare and the blessings of liberty." The "haves", like you and me, pay more. That's fair. But what is more important, "free" Wi-Fi or track maintenance? Why should I accept being asked to pay for a frill that may be nice, but is manifestly unnecessary for the majority of transit users? I'm not turning in my Illuminati ID card that fast, sister. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] An observation
On May 27, 2009, at 8:52 PM, Stephen Brownfield wrote: In my recent post about slow-motion, I think I may have observed a difference in the Mac and Windows users mind set. It appears that the Mac user asks "How do you do something?" and the Windows user asks "Why do you want to do it? And if conversing with a Windows-oriented IT manager the next part of the conversation would be informing you that your request has not been approved. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] When I think know...
I use box.net at work for our large files. It works very well and is a good price. Yousendit is very nice, but also very expensive. Both have limited time trials where you can use them for just such a thing. Box used has a free 1 GB account, but it's limited to 25 MB files. The trial version has a 1 GB limit on file sizes. Dropbox is another similar service. www.yousendit.com https://www.box.net/signup/business www.getdropbox.com > -Original Message- > NO. > > Most email messages only allow an attachment of about 1-5 mb. > > Your video is most likely much larger than this. > > For a large file, copy it to your harddrive and sue a program (web) > such as www.Yousendit.com > > This will load it up to their server much like an FTP site (File > Transfer Protocol) and then sends a link to the person you want to > receive it, and then they will go to the web site given and download > just like a program from the web. > > Their limit for free is 100 MB but if you pay a small fee you can do > very large files. > > But first you need to take the video and save it to your harddrive as > the web site will want to upload it from your system. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac or PC laptop?
> Thus, my question: can a Mac run PC programs well enough to make a Mac laptop a desirable choice, or is there no reason to prefer a Mac laptop over a PC laptop? > > Please note that I am not a PC or Mac partisan. I've never owned a laptop nor a Mac, so I have no opinion at all about the differences between the PC and the Mac until I have tried both at some length. In your case, a quality PC might be a better choice, as long as it's not one of the cheap ones. The $600 laptop may look like a bargain, but I wouldn't want to run Matlab [Mathematica is better] on anything less than a computer that has the 'pro' version of Windows. Our HP notebook that retails at $1000 is barely adequate--same age as my MacBook, $200 less, with much lower specs. I like Toshiba, Alien [for video], but am stuck with HP, Compaq, Dell. If you decide on a MacBook or Pro, [MacBook doesn't have PC card slot] you can run Windows apps natively with Boot Camp, in emulation [Parallels, VMWare], or without Windows using Crossover Mac or Wine. Gives you more choices. There are plenty of very good free or shareware open source apps for Macs. Ask for a list when you need it. The two things I notice immediately in Mac OS X are the display quality and mouse control. Running Windows on a Mac won't let you see that. Wine or Crossover Mac might. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] When I think know...
What he said, but I'll also suggest that the video is probably already available online, so all you really have to do is find it and send her a *link* to it. Try a google video search on the title or the filename. Shoot an email to the contact listed on their website if you can't find it linked there somewhere. On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: > NO. > > Most email messages only allow an attachment of about 1-5 mb. > > Your video is most likely much larger than this. > > For a large file, copy it to your harddrive and sue a program (web) such as > www.Yousendit.com > > This will load it up to their server much like an FTP site (File Transfer > Protocol) and then sends a link to the person you want to receive it, and > then they will go to the web site given and download just like a program > from the web. > > Their limit for free is 100 MB but if you pay a small fee you can do very > large files. > > But first you need to take the video and save it to your harddrive as the > web site will want to upload it from your system. > > Stewart > > > > At 09:50 PM 5/28/2009, you wrote: >> >> When I am confident with this sexy machine, here I go aain. My daughter >> asked me to send a video to a place she is applying to. Do you guess? I have >> been trying half an hour! I have Eudora, Skype, Pinneacle, Nero, Picasa... >> and I am suffering...no luck! I have the video in CD and DVD. Is it possible >> to do what I a trying?... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
Yes, many cities have roads paid for by tax dollars that the citizens are not allowed to freely use. How is this consistent with principals of liberty? They're called pedestrian zones. Or public transit zones. Reduces pollution. Makes downtowns more user friendly. You have the liberty to walk around or take public transportation. What you call subsidy I call hiding from the taxpayer the true cost of the service delivered, convincing them they are getting a bargain when in truth they are not. Public transportation isn't a bargain with hidden costs, it's a necessity. With that kind of logic, gasoline taxes should be at least $3-5/gallon to cover the true cost of service delivered and remediation costs. Or all subsidies for oil, gas, coal, nuclear, renewables should be removed. Then the real cost of energy will be seen. It takes governments to truly distort a marketplace, and governments can also restore a free market while ensuring that costs are born by those that impose them. Matthew, there is no free market. Never was. It's been distorted by corporations as well as governments. No free market. No free lunch. Free WiFi--YES! Fin! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] When I think know...
NO. Most email messages only allow an attachment of about 1-5 mb. Your video is most likely much larger than this. For a large file, copy it to your harddrive and sue a program (web) such as www.Yousendit.com This will load it up to their server much like an FTP site (File Transfer Protocol) and then sends a link to the person you want to receive it, and then they will go to the web site given and download just like a program from the web. Their limit for free is 100 MB but if you pay a small fee you can do very large files. But first you need to take the video and save it to your harddrive as the web site will want to upload it from your system. Stewart At 09:50 PM 5/28/2009, you wrote: When I am confident with this sexy machine, here I go aain. My daughter asked me to send a video to a place she is applying to. Do you guess? I have been trying half an hour! I have Eudora, Skype, Pinneacle, Nero, Picasa... and I am suffering...no luck! I have the video in CD and DVD. Is it possible to do what I a trying?... I am going to bed... tomorrow I see your advices... Again, many thanks to all! Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] When I think know...
When I am confident with this sexy machine, here I go aain. My daughter asked me to send a video to a place she is applying to. Do you guess? I have been trying half an hour! I have Eudora, Skype, Pinneacle, Nero, Picasa... and I am suffering...no luck! I have the video in CD and DVD. Is it possible to do what I a trying?... I am going to bed... tomorrow I see your advices... Again, many thanks to all! Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac or PC laptop?
There's no way I would recommend getting a Mac and trying to run Windows on it. It can be done, and many of the Mac users on this list do it all the time, but that's not really relevant to you. Your biggest decision will be what size screen to get. Best Buy has a good $400+tax deal on a 15.4" Toshiba T3400 right now (though, if they have one with Vista Home Premium for a bit more I'd go for it instead). Ignore the few rabid Mac fans on the list. They're just upset their market share is still in the single digits. On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Robert Carroll wrote: > I'm considering buying a laptop. All my programs for my desktop are for PC, > and these I will most likely use on a laptop. > My question is: is it better to buy a PC to run PC programs, or a Mac to run > PC programs? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac or PC laptop?
Your PC software will not run on a Mac - PERIOD. PC software will run on an Apple made computer if you have installed Windows on it but the Mac OS runs software written to run in the Mac operating system. If your core need is to run specialty Windows software then don't bother buying a Mac. Using a Mac for general purpose computing such as email, web browsing and word processing, all the little details of life I find to work much better on a Mac but I too have PC only software that is mission critical and for that I restart the Mac into Windows XP and the computer simply becomes a very high end Windows laptop. There are options for running Windows while the computer is still booted in the Mac OS but if you run software that must have real time network access ( not just web access ) then you may find that not all Windows software will work in that environment. This advice comes from a member of the listserv that holds Macs in very high regard considers Windows as a sometimes unavoidable nuisance. On May 28, 2009, at 9:44 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: Robert Carroll Date: May 28, 2009 9:13:30 PM EDT Subject: Re: Mac or PC laptop? I take it that you are voting for my buying a PC laptop. Why, you ask? Many reasons, here's a few why. The reason for considering buying a Mac is the high regard that members of this listserv hold for the Mac. It seems that the OS is claimed here to be superior to that of a PC, as well as the Mac hardware. For the software: My work gives me free software for PC, none for Mac. If I buy the software for Mac, I must pay for it myself. Example (one of many): Matlab, with 13 toolboxes. Unfortunately, the Matlab web site doesn't list prices, but I estimate that the packages would cost around $1,000 to $2,000. There are quite a few other mathematical or scientific packages that are free to me for PC but for which I would have to pay for myself to get the Mac version. There are a number of other, more mundane, reasons: for example, just this week I upgraded to a version of a music notation program that is available only for PC. What music notation program is available for a Mac, and how much will I have to pay? It is the cost of switching many professional-quality programs to a Mac version that is a reason to avoid the Mac if it can't execute PC programs satisfactorily. Thus, my question: can a Mac run PC programs well enough to make a Mac laptop a desirable choice, or is there no reason to prefer a Mac laptop over a PC laptop? Please note that I am not a PC or Mac partisan. I've never owned a laptop nor a Mac, so I have no opinion at all about the differences between the PC and the Mac until I have tried both at some length. E. Riley Casey Entertainment Sound Production 2311 Kansas Ave. Silver Spring MD www.ESPsound.com 301-608-2180 office phone 301-608-0789 fax 301-440-2923 shoe phone * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Safari add-ons
I'll be honest, I am unfamiliar with these. What OS is Powerbook running? What version of Safari does she use? Jordan wrote: In an effort to unburden my wife's PPC MacBook Pro I just tried Safari AdBlock: http://burgersoftware.com/en/safariadblock and something called clicktoflash: http://github.com/rentzsch/clicktoflash/tree/master I haven't put them on her computer yet but they seem to work perfectly on my Intel MacBook. The click to flash puts the word Flash in the box where the Flash will play. If you click on it, it will play. She tends to queue up dozens of tabs of stuff she wants to read, which can max out her CPU. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac or PC laptop?
No, I wasn't. I own both Macs and PCs, but only Mac laptops. The OS I've found if far superior on the Mac. The OS never seems to crash, only the machine crashes. Meaning it's not an OS problem. It's only happened a couple of times. Lately with my logic board going out after 4+ years on a refurb iMac I bought. As for the software you use, it sounds like you're a math person. My best friend is a professor at Gonzaga University. He Uses Macs at home and just recently bought a new one for school. He's a PHD in mathematics and uses both Maple and Mathematica on his Macs. He probably also uses other things I have no clue about. My friend is a bit over the top when it comes to perfection. I helped him remodel his kitchen and he insisted on a Sub Zero fridge and Wolf oven/stove. The flooring we put in was half sawn oak in 1 1/2" strips. On another not about my friend. He just got his new Mac both at home and and school. He's rather cheap and his Macbook Pro from about 10 years ago was working fine. But after the school paid for his new Mac at school he had to buy one for himself. I'd say, if your company is paying for it, go with what they offer. If not, go with what you want and hope to continue to use for the next 5 or 10 years. If it's the later case, it's your money. Jeff M On May 28, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Robert Carroll wrote: I take it that you are voting for my buying a PC laptop. Why, you ask? Many reasons, here's a few why. The reason for considering buying a Mac is the high regard that members of this listserv hold for the Mac. It seems that the OS is claimed here to be superior to that of a PC, as well as the Mac hardware. For the software: My work gives me free software for PC, none for Mac. If I buy the software for Mac, I must pay for it myself. Example (one of many): Matlab, with 13 toolboxes. Unfortunately, the Matlab web site doesn't list prices, but I estimate that the packages would cost around $1,000 to $2,000. There are quite a few other mathematical or scientific packages that are free to me for PC but for which I would have to pay for myself to get the Mac version. There are a number of other, more mundane, reasons: for example, just this week I upgraded to a version of a music notation program that is available only for PC. What music notation program is available for a Mac, and how much will I have to pay? It is the cost of switching many professional-quality programs to a Mac version that is a reason to avoid the Mac if it can't execute PC programs satisfactorily. Thus, my question: can a Mac run PC programs well enough to make a Mac laptop a desirable choice, or is there no reason to prefer a Mac laptop over a PC laptop? Please note that I am not a PC or Mac partisan. I've never owned a laptop nor a Mac, so I have no opinion at all about the differences between the PC and the Mac until I have tried both at some length. Jeff Miles wrote: On May 28, 2009, at 5:03 PM, Robert Carroll wrote: I'm considering buying a laptop. All my programs for my desktop are for PC, and these I will most likely use on a laptop. My question is: is it better to buy a PC to run PC programs, or a Mac to run PC programs? Please don't tell me that I can get as good as or better results using programs for Mac. Except for the odd example, running Mac programs is not going to happen with me. Then why are you even bothering asking the question? If you're dead set against running any Mac programs why would you even consider buying one? Jeff M ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac or PC laptop?
I take it that you are voting for my buying a PC laptop. Why, you ask? Many reasons, here's a few why. The reason for considering buying a Mac is the high regard that members of this listserv hold for the Mac. It seems that the OS is claimed here to be superior to that of a PC, as well as the Mac hardware. For the software: My work gives me free software for PC, none for Mac. If I buy the software for Mac, I must pay for it myself. Example (one of many): Matlab, with 13 toolboxes. Unfortunately, the Matlab web site doesn't list prices, but I estimate that the packages would cost around $1,000 to $2,000. There are quite a few other mathematical or scientific packages that are free to me for PC but for which I would have to pay for myself to get the Mac version. There are a number of other, more mundane, reasons: for example, just this week I upgraded to a version of a music notation program that is available only for PC. What music notation program is available for a Mac, and how much will I have to pay? It is the cost of switching many professional-quality programs to a Mac version that is a reason to avoid the Mac if it can't execute PC programs satisfactorily. Thus, my question: can a Mac run PC programs well enough to make a Mac laptop a desirable choice, or is there no reason to prefer a Mac laptop over a PC laptop? Please note that I am not a PC or Mac partisan. I've never owned a laptop nor a Mac, so I have no opinion at all about the differences between the PC and the Mac until I have tried both at some length. Jeff Miles wrote: On May 28, 2009, at 5:03 PM, Robert Carroll wrote: I'm considering buying a laptop. All my programs for my desktop are for PC, and these I will most likely use on a laptop. My question is: is it better to buy a PC to run PC programs, or a Mac to run PC programs? Please don't tell me that I can get as good as or better results using programs for Mac. Except for the odd example, running Mac programs is not going to happen with me. Then why are you even bothering asking the question? If you're dead set against running any Mac programs why would you even consider buying one? Jeff M * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
I am not sure what schools you are talking about but around here they are required to take at least 4 years of history/government/economics around here. Current affairs was also a requirement (It was kind of cool having my son ask for the newspaper and not seeing him turn to the comics page) I also know that the local university is heavy on history requirements. My son is a big reader (takes after his dad) but my wife abhors reading. (She will not read books period) It depends on where you are Betty. (No reading public transportation maps here no such animal) But our whole education system is a mess as we do not pay our teachers enough, we do not give them the respect they deserve, and we do not support our education with the support we should. We give them bare minimum requirements and then let the academics control the system. We need more practical teachers who have real world experience. We need more administrators that have real world experience. At present our School Superintendent is a retired LTC from the army who got his education degrees while in the army and got active in public education. He wants the best for the kids but is not afraid to demand the best out of them either. The students know he requires discipline but also so does the staff. It always depends on your perspective. Here in Alabama we are always fond of saying, thank god for Mississippi. Stewart At 07:22 PM 5/28/2009, you wrote: Yes, and no. You're definitely right about setting long term goals. Individualism doesn't mean that people can't also work together to get good things done--selfishness does. One of the big problems is the breakdown of our education system--teaching to the tests, dumbing down the rest. When I was in school, we all had to take civics and government in high school. In grade school we had current events in Social Studies or History classes every week. We even had to learn how to read a broadsheet newspaper on public transportation by folding it so it wouldn't get in the face of someone sitting next to you. Europeans read. They read newspapers, magazines and lots of books. Our kids aren't required to read and write nearly as much as I did in school. I don't care if they can program their computers in 6th grade. They need history and geography and literature and science and a bit of economics to be educated, contributing members of society, instead of another extension of the "ME" generation, wallowing in their selfishness. Public transportation is an integral part of civilized society. Instead of complaining about it, make it work better--and with free WiFi. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
Betty that is key to making it work. Make ares where Cars cannot travel. Make public transport simple and easy and you would be surprised how it works. The Europeans have us beat when it comes to most transportation ideas. Part of our problem stems back to Americas individualism and short term goals. Yes, and no. You're definitely right about setting long term goals. Individualism doesn't mean that people can't also work together to get good things done--selfishness does. One of the big problems is the breakdown of our education system--teaching to the tests, dumbing down the rest. When I was in school, we all had to take civics and government in high school. In grade school we had current events in Social Studies or History classes every week. We even had to learn how to read a broadsheet newspaper on public transportation by folding it so it wouldn't get in the face of someone sitting next to you. Europeans read. They read newspapers, magazines and lots of books. Our kids aren't required to read and write nearly as much as I did in school. I don't care if they can program their computers in 6th grade. They need history and geography and literature and science and a bit of economics to be educated, contributing members of society, instead of another extension of the "ME" generation, wallowing in their selfishness. Public transportation is an integral part of civilized society. Instead of complaining about it, make it work better--and with free WiFi. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac or PC laptop?
On May 28, 2009, at 5:03 PM, Robert Carroll wrote: I'm considering buying a laptop. All my programs for my desktop are for PC, and these I will most likely use on a laptop. My question is: is it better to buy a PC to run PC programs, or a Mac to run PC programs? Please don't tell me that I can get as good as or better results using programs for Mac. Except for the odd example, running Mac programs is not going to happen with me. Then why are you even bothering asking the question? If you're dead set against running any Mac programs why would you even consider buying one? Jeff M * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Mac or PC laptop?
I'm considering buying a laptop. All my programs for my desktop are for PC, and these I will most likely use on a laptop. My question is: is it better to buy a PC to run PC programs, or a Mac to run PC programs? Please don't tell me that I can get as good as or better results using programs for Mac. Except for the odd example, running Mac programs is not going to happen with me. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] vista sp2 install - ok so far
thx On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Vicky Staubly wrote: > On Thu, 28 May 2009, Judy Cosler wrote: > >> PSU >> > > Power supply unit. The thing that takes electricity from the wall and > turns it into a form that the computer can use. (110 volts AC to 5 and 12 > volts DC) > > On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM, mike wrote: >> >>> An HOUR to install it? WOW. Took less then that when I installed vista >>> originally. >>> >>> I thought I got a bad update yesterday when I installed updates for win >>> 7. >>> After installing I rebooted and the machine would barely POST. Turned >>> out >>> my PSU had gone bad. >>> >>> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Andy Gallant >>> wrote: >>> >>> Just one anecdote FYI. I have Vista Home Premium, fully updated as of yesterday (pre SP2) on a year old Toshiba laptop with Norton 360 (not a factor, as it turned out). This morning, Windows Update said that Vista >>> SP2 >>> was available. I backed up everything and worked on the Mac during the update. The download was 348 MB, which took quite a while. A notice >>> said >>> that installing SP2 could take an hour or more. In fact, it took about >>> an >>> hour from then, all told, until I could use the machine again. The >>> overall >>> experience was bearable. So far so good - YMMV. -Andy >>> > -- > Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/vi...@steeds.com > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] vista sp2 install - ok so far
On Thu, 28 May 2009, Judy Cosler wrote: PSU Power supply unit. The thing that takes electricity from the wall and turns it into a form that the computer can use. (110 volts AC to 5 and 12 volts DC) On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM, mike wrote: An HOUR to install it? WOW. Took less then that when I installed vista originally. I thought I got a bad update yesterday when I installed updates for win 7. After installing I rebooted and the machine would barely POST. Turned out my PSU had gone bad. On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Andy Gallant wrote: Just one anecdote FYI. I have Vista Home Premium, fully updated as of yesterday (pre SP2) on a year old Toshiba laptop with Norton 360 (not a factor, as it turned out). This morning, Windows Update said that Vista SP2 was available. I backed up everything and worked on the Mac during the update. The download was 348 MB, which took quite a while. A notice said that installing SP2 could take an hour or more. In fact, it took about an hour from then, all told, until I could use the machine again. The overall experience was bearable. So far so good - YMMV. -Andy -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/vi...@steeds.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
Yes, many cities have roads paid for by tax dollars that the citizens are not allowed to freely use. How is this consistent with principals of liberty? What you call subsidy I call hiding from the taxpayer the true cost of the service delivered, convincing them they are getting a bargain when in truth they are not. It takes governments to truly distort a marketplace, and governments can also restore a free market while ensuring that costs are born by those that impose them. Of course polluters should be prevented from polluting, and when that has failed made to pay the cost of restitution and clean up. If society decides through the framework of its representatives that carbon is a pollutant then tax it sufficient to offset the societal costs it imposes (and by taxing it get less of it) by raising the costs of things that rely on carbon. Matthew On May 28, 2009, at 3:01 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: For mass transit to work and not be a net drain it has to be survivable at a market price. Many cities have downtown areas where cars aren't permitted. The key word is PUBLIC transportation. Public transport benefits all, whether or not you use it. I don't know of a good transportation system that isn't subsidized, but there might be some. Assuming that mass transit has to be private, existing on the whims of the marketplace is naive. The free market fantasy is killing us with pollution and bankruptcy. Should all roads be toll roads? Of course not. There has to be a balance--and free WiFi with schedules. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
And we will be flirting with bankruptcy in the US ... as we are now ... until we start looking at real costs and what we are spending on subsidies. No one ... not an individual nor a nation ... can plan, budget or save until you readily know what you are spending for what... db Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: We do with oil what we do with most things. We only look just past our nose and see ho much it costs me. My in-laws in Canada have been paying higher gasoline costs for years. My relatives in Germany pay exorbitant prices for oil as compared to us. Part of the reason behind this is taxation. It is how governments make their money. Their systems demand that they tax all these things to cover the costs of government providing and securing it for them. We do not always see these things and do not want to recognize them. Take the case of education. In our area we will be voting on wether or not to raise our property tax rate (local) to allow us to build a new high school. The present school is 50 years old, is out of date and needs a lot of upkeep. It could be remodeled but to keep it in compliance with the ADA it would cost almost as much to refub it as it would to build a new one. Many folks say we don't need it. The school was good enough for me, and good enough for my children it should be good enough for your children. Of course if you ask there where are your children they will tell you Montgomery, Birmingham, or Atlanta as that is where the jobs are. You see we want low prices but do not realize that our pushing for constant low ball prices short changes us in the future. We tend to be short sighted and stingy. Everything we get and do is subsidized in some way or another. We just do not realize it or are willing to pay what it really costs. Ask a truck driver how many taxes and fees he has to pay to travel on the interstates. Then ask a passenger car driver if he pays the same and the answer is no. Would we be willing to pay the same type of fees for the same access? Some municipalities have done this over time with sewer hooks ups etc. You want to hook into our sewer system the price is $xxx this is just the tie in fee, you pay the actual cost of the work that is done to do so, but in order for us to provide you this service it costs $xxx amount of dollars to hook up. Usually when we buy a house this has been part of the cost of constructing it or born by a previous owner. But it is the actual cost of doing this. Until we start looking long term instead of short term we will always have this problem. Stewart At 11:43 AM 5/28/2009, you wrote: I think you are ignoring the *and not be a net drain* part of the argument. Right now we heavily subsidize oil and all its derivatives through general taxation to support our military which supports an aggressive foreign policy intended to secure the supply of oil to the US and much of the rest of the world. Whether or not we should have such a security policy I leave as an exercise to the reader, but it is clear that we do not build into the cost of the oil the cost to secure it. By subsidizing oil we distort the market for everything that relies on oil, and everything that would compete with those market spaces. Furthermore we over use oil and its derivatives with other downstream consequences (paper or plastic?). Markets work, but as with technology GIGO applies. Matthew Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] vista sp2 install - ok so far
PSU On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM, mike wrote: > An HOUR to install it? WOW. Took less then that when I installed vista > originally. > > I thought I got a bad update yesterday when I installed updates for win 7. > After installing I rebooted and the machine would barely POST. Turned out > my PSU had gone bad. > > On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Andy Gallant wrote: > > > Just one anecdote FYI. I have Vista Home Premium, fully updated as of > > yesterday (pre SP2) on a year old Toshiba laptop with Norton 360 (not a > > factor, as it turned out). This morning, Windows Update said that Vista > SP2 > > was available. I backed up everything and worked on the Mac during the > > update. The download was 348 MB, which took quite a while. A notice > said > > that installing SP2 could take an hour or more. In fact, it took about > an > > hour from then, all told, until I could use the machine again. The > overall > > experience was bearable. So far so good - YMMV. > > > > -Andy > > > > > > * > > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > > * > > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
That is called dumb business, but it was not just there fault. There were a lot of things that caused that. I lived in an area with a Goodyear plant a few years ago and they had some mighty rounds with their unions. They had to support more retirees than active workers and pay full benefits for both. Cant make a profit that way. Union eventually lowered demands and it worked out, but they have also had to cut back on factories etc. Just shipping your manufacturing overseas is not a panacea anymore. Stewart At 02:42 PM 5/28/2009, you wrote: Well, maybe anyone at GM or Chrysler would but see where they wound up. If a business continues to sell a product or service that costs $10.00 to produce for $9.00, no matter how many transactions they have they will still lose money. Seems plain enough. John Settle Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Again because they aim only at the lower income. No! If you sell something that costs $10.00 to produce for $9.00 to someone who makes $250,000 a year you still lose a Dollar. The same if selling the product to someone who makes $3,000 a year. No matter what the purchasers income level is, if you don't charge more than your costs, you lose. John Settle * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Anyone will tell you that if you increase your volume you increase your profit. Well, maybe anyone at GM or Chrysler would but see where they wound up. If a business continues to sell a product or service that costs $10.00 to produce for $9.00, no matter how many transactions they have they will still lose money. Seems plain enough. John Settle * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
Betty that is key to making it work. Make ares where Cars cannot travel. Make public transport simple and easy and you would be surprised how it works. The Europeans have us beat when it comes to most transportation ideas. Part of our problem stems back to Americas individualism and short term goals. Stewart At 02:01 PM 5/28/2009, you wrote: Many cities have downtown areas where cars aren't permitted. In Hong Kong, where there are few cars, public transport is cheap, goes everywhere, and uses RFID passes. Not so cheap in London, but I've never had to go anywhere in London that wasn't less than 1/2 mile of a bus or tube. Same for Dublin, Paris, Athens, Barcelona, and most of NYC and Philly. Gothenburg, Sweden is especially friendly for cyclists, with their own traffic lanes and signals, along side train tracks and highways. The hills are a killer though. I could take my bicycle on the trains in Sweden [I've taken a bicycle on the NYC subway]. Some buses elsewhere have bike racks. The key word is PUBLIC transportation. Public transport benefits all, whether or not you use it. I don't know of a good transportation system that isn't subsidized, but there might be some. Assuming that mass transit has to be private, existing on the whims of the marketplace is naive. The free market fantasy is killing us with pollution and bankruptcy. Should all roads be toll roads? Of course not. There has to be a balance--and free WiFi with schedules. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
For mass transit to work and not be a net drain it has to be survivable at a market price. Yep. In DC we have a world-class system, in some ways, at a lowball price. Nice trains, which are SRO in the rush hour, nice environmentally friendly buses, and low prices. Yet the city is still jammed with inefficient private automobiles. Somehow a bicyclist has to look at this picture and see a basic failure in either the development model for the city or else the civic mindedness of the people. I rhink you can network all you like, but it goes nowhere if it doesn't change attitudes. Many cities have downtown areas where cars aren't permitted. In Hong Kong, where there are few cars, public transport is cheap, goes everywhere, and uses RFID passes. Not so cheap in London, but I've never had to go anywhere in London that wasn't less than 1/2 mile of a bus or tube. Same for Dublin, Paris, Athens, Barcelona, and most of NYC and Philly. Gothenburg, Sweden is especially friendly for cyclists, with their own traffic lanes and signals, along side train tracks and highways. The hills are a killer though. I could take my bicycle on the trains in Sweden [I've taken a bicycle on the NYC subway]. Some buses elsewhere have bike racks. The key word is PUBLIC transportation. Public transport benefits all, whether or not you use it. I don't know of a good transportation system that isn't subsidized, but there might be some. Assuming that mass transit has to be private, existing on the whims of the marketplace is naive. The free market fantasy is killing us with pollution and bankruptcy. Should all roads be toll roads? Of course not. There has to be a balance--and free WiFi with schedules. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] vista sp2 install - ok so far
An HOUR to install it? WOW. Took less then that when I installed vista originally. I thought I got a bad update yesterday when I installed updates for win 7. After installing I rebooted and the machine would barely POST. Turned out my PSU had gone bad. On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Andy Gallant wrote: > Just one anecdote FYI. I have Vista Home Premium, fully updated as of > yesterday (pre SP2) on a year old Toshiba laptop with Norton 360 (not a > factor, as it turned out). This morning, Windows Update said that Vista SP2 > was available. I backed up everything and worked on the Mac during the > update. The download was 348 MB, which took quite a while. A notice said > that installing SP2 could take an hour or more. In fact, it took about an > hour from then, all told, until I could use the machine again. The overall > experience was bearable. So far so good - YMMV. > > -Andy > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] vista sp2 install - ok so far
Just one anecdote FYI. I have Vista Home Premium, fully updated as of yesterday (pre SP2) on a year old Toshiba laptop with Norton 360 (not a factor, as it turned out). This morning, Windows Update said that Vista SP2 was available. I backed up everything and worked on the Mac during the update. The download was 348 MB, which took quite a while. A notice said that installing SP2 could take an hour or more. In fact, it took about an hour from then, all told, until I could use the machine again. The overall experience was bearable. So far so good - YMMV. -Andy * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] CPCUG E&C SIG: Time Management w Susan Kousek, June 20, 2009
=== FREE! Register via e-mail to bc...@cpcug.org === --- Saturday, June 20, 2009, 12:45-3:15 pm TACKLE THE 3 "P"s OF TIME MANAGEMENT: Procrastinating, Prioritizing, and Processing Speaker: Susan Kousek, Owner, Balanced Spaces, LLC --- Capital PC User Group (CPCUG) Entrepreneurs and Consultants SIG (E&C SIG) (Meets the 3rd Saturday afternoon of most months) Cleveland Park Library, 1st Floor, Large Meeting Room 3310 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Washington, DC --- o Are you missing deadlines? o Are important tasks falling between the cracks? o Are you busy all day but not getting the important things done? Chances are you're being sabotaged by one (or more!) of the 3 "P"s of time management: procrastinating, prioritizing, or processing the constant flow of "To Do"s. Join us on Saturday, June 20, 2009, when Certified Professional Organizer Susan Kousek will share her favorite organizing techniques to combat these time wasters. Speaker: Susan Kousek is the owner of Balanced Spaces, LLC, in Reston, VA, and has been organizing for 20 years. She works one on one with clients in their offices and homes to set up systems to help them get organized and stay on top of time and tasks. She also offers workshops and presentations on organizing for government, nonprofits, and small businesses. Susan Kousek (Balanced Spaces) was included as one of seven "who can save you time" in "Figuring Out This $%#^*Computer," _Washingtonian_ magazine, January 2001, p. 100. CPCUGer Susan Kousek is also known to many as a popular computer trainer and a former editor of the CPCUG _Monitor_. She is returning to E&C SIG by popular request. See announcements, followup information, and even a PDF or PowerPoint file from two of her earlier presentations: o "Organize Your Business Life," May 2007 http://entrepreneur.cpcug.org/507meet.html o "Take Back Your Time! Time Management Techniques and Tips," August 2003 http://entrepreneur.cpcug.org/803meet.html o "Organizing Your Computer Files and Outlook E-Mail Messages," February 2001 http://entrepreneur.cpcug.org/201meet.html o "Organize Your Office To Maximize Your Time and Space," June 2000 http://entrepreneur.cpcug.org/600meet.html o "Getting Started As a Trainer," October 1998 http://entrepreneur.cpcug.org/1098meet.html Susan Kousek may be reached via e-mail to skou...@balancedspaces.com. For more information about her company, visit http://www.BalancedSpaces.com. * Cleveland Park Library, 1st Floor, Large Meeting Room 3310 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Washington, DC (west side, between Macomb and Newark Streets) Metrorail: Cleveland Park Subway Station, Red Line Connecticut Avenue, NW Just 1.5 blocks north of meeting site Parking: Street For additional Information about the CPCUG E&C SIG and its events (including any updates on topics, speakers, dates, times, and locations; agenda; area map; related Web links; and more), visit the CPCUG Entrepreneurs and Consultants SIG Web pages-- http://entrepreneur.cpcug.org/ This event is FREE and open to all. Advance RSVPs are requested for event planning. To RSVP: Send e-mail to Barbara Conn, bc...@cpcug.org *** Saturday, June 20, 2009, 12:45-3:15 pm TACKLE THE 3 "P"s OF TIME MANAGEMENT: Procrastinating, Prioritizing, and Processing Speaker: Susan Kousek, Owner, Balanced Spaces, LLC http://entrepreneur.cpcug.org/609meet.html *** Dates/Times of Future Meetings: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 12:45-3:15 pm Saturday, August 22, 2009, 12:45-3:15 pm (Note: 4th Saturday) Saturday, September 19, 2009, 12:45-3:15 pm Saturday, October 17, 2009, 12:45-3:15 pm Saturday, November 21, 2009, 12:45-3:15 pm Saturday, December 12, 2009, 12:30-3:00 pm (Note: 2nd Saturday) *** Barbara Conn, bc...@cpcug.org Capital PC User Group (CPCUG) "Users Helping Users" Chair, CPCUG Entrepreneurs and Consultants SIG http://entrepreneur.cpcug.org/ *** CONENT-D: CPCUG Entrepreneurs and Consultants SIG list for event announcements and discussion of business, technology, and computer hardware and software selection, setup, installation, maintenance, and upgrade (usually low volume) To subscribe: http://entrepreneur.cpcug.org/index.html#listsub *** CPCUG E&C SIG Registration for FREE Events: Send e-mail to bc...@cpcug.org ***
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
We do with oil what we do with most things. We only look just past our nose and see ho much it costs me. My in-laws in Canada have been paying higher gasoline costs for years. My relatives in Germany pay exorbitant prices for oil as compared to us. Part of the reason behind this is taxation. It is how governments make their money. Their systems demand that they tax all these things to cover the costs of government providing and securing it for them. We do not always see these things and do not want to recognize them. Take the case of education. In our area we will be voting on wether or not to raise our property tax rate (local) to allow us to build a new high school. The present school is 50 years old, is out of date and needs a lot of upkeep. It could be remodeled but to keep it in compliance with the ADA it would cost almost as much to refub it as it would to build a new one. Many folks say we don't need it. The school was good enough for me, and good enough for my children it should be good enough for your children. Of course if you ask there where are your children they will tell you Montgomery, Birmingham, or Atlanta as that is where the jobs are. You see we want low prices but do not realize that our pushing for constant low ball prices short changes us in the future. We tend to be short sighted and stingy. Everything we get and do is subsidized in some way or another. We just do not realize it or are willing to pay what it really costs. Ask a truck driver how many taxes and fees he has to pay to travel on the interstates. Then ask a passenger car driver if he pays the same and the answer is no. Would we be willing to pay the same type of fees for the same access? Some municipalities have done this over time with sewer hooks ups etc. You want to hook into our sewer system the price is $xxx this is just the tie in fee, you pay the actual cost of the work that is done to do so, but in order for us to provide you this service it costs $xxx amount of dollars to hook up. Usually when we buy a house this has been part of the cost of constructing it or born by a previous owner. But it is the actual cost of doing this. Until we start looking long term instead of short term we will always have this problem. Stewart At 11:43 AM 5/28/2009, you wrote: I think you are ignoring the *and not be a net drain* part of the argument. Right now we heavily subsidize oil and all its derivatives through general taxation to support our military which supports an aggressive foreign policy intended to secure the supply of oil to the US and much of the rest of the world. Whether or not we should have such a security policy I leave as an exercise to the reader, but it is clear that we do not build into the cost of the oil the cost to secure it. By subsidizing oil we distort the market for everything that relies on oil, and everything that would compete with those market spaces. Furthermore we over use oil and its derivatives with other downstream consequences (paper or plastic?). Markets work, but as with technology GIGO applies. Matthew Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
I think you are ignoring the *and not be a net drain* part of the argument. Right now we heavily subsidize oil and all its derivatives through general taxation to support our military which supports an aggressive foreign policy intended to secure the supply of oil to the US and much of the rest of the world. Whether or not we should have such a security policy I leave as an exercise to the reader, but it is clear that we do not build into the cost of the oil the cost to secure it. By subsidizing oil we distort the market for everything that relies on oil, and everything that would compete with those market spaces. Furthermore we over use oil and its derivatives with other downstream consequences (paper or plastic?). Markets work, but as with technology GIGO applies. Matthew On May 28, 2009, at 11:15 AM, db wrote: Why not? Automobiles/ road systems were subsidized for decades in the US as were the railroads earlier and as is your cellphone now. Europe and other countries just don't BS as much about the nature of things / what it takes to make transport systems work and economies go around. They more readily accept and address the real shared costs of the transport capabilities that connect all of us individually ... including the cost of gasoline. db Matthew Taylor wrote: Not at all true in the DC metro area where I live or the NY metro area where I grew up. Lots of people commute on the trains and busses, and whenever circumstances spike ridership they have / had a cash crisis because they don't charge what it is worth. For mass transit to work and not be a net drain it has to be survivable at a market price. Cost shifting is not the answer. Matthew On May 27, 2009, at 9:19 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Again because they aim only at the lower income. If they aimed at a higher income they would make money. That is what I meant about neighborhoods not served. In Europe their public transportation does not just aim at one socio economic strata. It serves all. In Canada (One I am again familiar with) they aim at all socio economic strata. From Go Trains to street cars to buses and trains serving many different areas. Some of it is profit making some not, but since they serve a wider area, they can subsidize the unprofitable with the profitable. Like I said aim public transportation to folks above the poverty line and serve them and it will make money. Stewart At 08:02 PM 5/27/2009, you wrote: No, volume hurts most public transit because the cost to serve additional passengers is greater than the revenue received from those passengers. Yes, you can make a bit more if you are filling mostly empty busses and train cars, but when you need to expand service to need greater demand you will loose money if the increase in demand can not generate sufficient revenue to pay the cost of expanded service. It is very simple math. Public utility models assume that on average every user covers their costs. Public transit in the US typically does not. Matthew Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Safari add-ons
In an effort to unburden my wife's PPC MacBook Pro I just tried Safari AdBlock: http://burgersoftware.com/en/safariadblock and something called clicktoflash: http://github.com/rentzsch/clicktoflash/tree/master I haven't put them on her computer yet but they seem to work perfectly on my Intel MacBook. The click to flash puts the word Flash in the box where the Flash will play. If you click on it, it will play. She tends to queue up dozens of tabs of stuff she wants to read, which can max out her CPU. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
Why not? Automobiles/ road systems were subsidized for decades in the US as were the railroads earlier and as is your cellphone now. Europe and other countries just don't BS as much about the nature of things / what it takes to make transport systems work and economies go around. They more readily accept and address the real shared costs of the transport capabilities that connect all of us individually ... including the cost of gasoline. db Matthew Taylor wrote: Not at all true in the DC metro area where I live or the NY metro area where I grew up. Lots of people commute on the trains and busses, and whenever circumstances spike ridership they have / had a cash crisis because they don't charge what it is worth. For mass transit to work and not be a net drain it has to be survivable at a market price. Cost shifting is not the answer. Matthew On May 27, 2009, at 9:19 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Again because they aim only at the lower income. If they aimed at a higher income they would make money. That is what I meant about neighborhoods not served. In Europe their public transportation does not just aim at one socio economic strata. It serves all. In Canada (One I am again familiar with) they aim at all socio economic strata. From Go Trains to street cars to buses and trains serving many different areas. Some of it is profit making some not, but since they serve a wider area, they can subsidize the unprofitable with the profitable. Like I said aim public transportation to folks above the poverty line and serve them and it will make money. Stewart At 08:02 PM 5/27/2009, you wrote: No, volume hurts most public transit because the cost to serve additional passengers is greater than the revenue received from those passengers. Yes, you can make a bit more if you are filling mostly empty busses and train cars, but when you need to expand service to need greater demand you will loose money if the increase in demand can not generate sufficient revenue to pay the cost of expanded service. It is very simple math. Public utility models assume that on average every user covers their costs. Public transit in the US typically does not. Matthew Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
I kind of scratched my head when the bike locker rates seemed to double when I had to renew this year. Of course, the savings are "mythical" save 5$ parking (and receive health benefits) but the money "saved" tends to go more bike swag. I enjoy the 1.5 mile ride to the station, I tend to skip if there is snow/ice or if it is raining heavy. Metro seems to be unable to have working escalators/elevators; which is an annoyance. I still prefer Metro than bumper-to-bumper traffic. On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 02:38:20AM -0400, Eric S. Sande wrote: >> For mass transit to work and not be a net drain it has to be survivable >> at a market price. > > Yep. In DC we have a world-class system, in some ways, > at a lowball price. Nice trains, which are SRO in the rush > hour, nice environmentally friendly buses, and low prices. > > Yet the city is still jammed with inefficient private automobiles. > > Somehow a bicyclist has to look at this picture and see a > basic failure in either the development model for the city or > else the civic mindedness of the people. > > I rhink you can network all you like, but it goes nowhere if it > doesn't change attitudes. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
Just meant to be humorous - sheesh, don't lose your sense of fun Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- This list really is getting childish: On Wed, 27 May 2009 09:25:24 -0500, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: >WFBs must join Redmond and never deviate from (nor become unlicen$ed >from) the Official Word, always ignoring any inconvenient facts or >expertise to restate all dogma from the supreme leader, $teve Ballmer, >or in His absence, the Almighty Bill Gate$ while awaiting the Glorious >Day when all other operating systems will be $mighted, and the truly >licen$ed will live in eternal, $acred Bli$$! > >-Original Message- >You'll never be a good MFB if you start worrying about cost. Being a >good MFB is like joining scientology, you never worry about the high >price of being pure. As expressed in another thread, the very idea of >going into a computer store with a budget is not towing the line for >Steve Jobs. Think Steve, Think Different...Think Pure. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
