Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE
I think part of the reason the Mac gets taken first in PWN to OWN is that it is the only one worth the effort. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 11:10 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Right...that's why OS X gets taken out every time first time at the pwn to own. I know actual results and facts and stuff confudle you, but keep trying. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 8:00 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jul 31, 2009, at 4:41 PM, mike wrote: Too true. Marketshare in itself does not imply security or lack of. But logic does seem to dictate that those who go after the insecure OS's go after the one with larger marketshare since they don't seem to go after the one with smaller marketshare which has been proven to be no more secure. As has been said time and time again, OS X is security by obscurity, not by design. But the end result for the user is more security just the same. 1) Why go for the unlikely explanation and tortuous logic when there is a direct and simple explanation? People find potential problems in all operating systems and manufacturers issue patches all the time. Potential is not actual. If you can't tell the difference you are living in fantasy land. Meanwhile, Windows gets compromised all the time and there are hundreds of real exploits in the wild. As I mentioned earlier, the I Love You virus was huge and it was written by a student taking his first programming course. It takes not genius to do this. Windows is exploited a lot because it is so easy. 2) You do your cause no credit by spouting untruths. Much of the Mac OS is open source UNIX. Apple's browser, Safari, is open-source WebKit. Apache is open source. MySQL is open source. Etc. Etc. Macs come loaded with open source software. It is not security by obscurity it is security by good engineering. I was just reading in Politico about the con/neocon birthers and I could not help making the connection with the false debating tactics and obfuscations the WFBs spread in this List. Politico called it no-nothing evasion and seeking shelter... behind rhetorical figments. I could not have said it better. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE
Mac exploits are also not worth much on the open market. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:17 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: I think part of the reason the Mac gets taken first in PWN to OWN is that it is the only one worth the effort. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 11:10 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Right...that's why OS X gets taken out every time first time at the pwn to own. I know actual results and facts and stuff confudle you, but keep trying. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 8:00 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jul 31, 2009, at 4:41 PM, mike wrote: Too true. Marketshare in itself does not imply security or lack of. But logic does seem to dictate that those who go after the insecure OS's go after the one with larger marketshare since they don't seem to go after the one with smaller marketshare which has been proven to be no more secure. As has been said time and time again, OS X is security by obscurity, not by design. But the end result for the user is more security just the same. 1) Why go for the unlikely explanation and tortuous logic when there is a direct and simple explanation? People find potential problems in all operating systems and manufacturers issue patches all the time. Potential is not actual. If you can't tell the difference you are living in fantasy land. Meanwhile, Windows gets compromised all the time and there are hundreds of real exploits in the wild. As I mentioned earlier, the I Love You virus was huge and it was written by a student taking his first programming course. It takes not genius to do this. Windows is exploited a lot because it is so easy. 2) You do your cause no credit by spouting untruths. Much of the Mac OS is open source UNIX. Apple's browser, Safari, is open-source WebKit. Apache is open source. MySQL is open source. Etc. Etc. Macs come loaded with open source software. It is not security by obscurity it is security by good engineering. I was just reading in Politico about the con/neocon birthers and I could not help making the connection with the false debating tactics and obfuscations the WFBs spread in this List. Politico called it no-nothing evasion and seeking shelter... behind rhetorical figments. I could not have said it better. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] A Computer Question ... Horrors!
I've have MacBookPro Ver 1.1 about 3½ years old. A friend just got a current gen 17 MPB. I still use a Vista machine that has a hardware printer. On my bank's website, a print request generates a *.aspx file for open with application or save file as dialog when using Firefox on both MBPs. On my Vista box (using Firefox or Chrome) and when either MBP uses Safari, the bank site brings up the preferred print/save as PDF dialog. Can anyone suggest how to modify FF's behavior on the MBP's to access the same dialog? advTHANKSance - - - That you may retain your self-respect, it is better to displease the people by doing what you know is right, than to temporarily please them by doing what you know is wrong. - William J. H. Boetcker * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] wifi router in Belgium
Where I will be, the internet may come from 1 of 2 sources .first is Belgacom which provides high speed DSL via telephone cables to homes with or without phone and TV. second is Voo which provides via coaxial cable separate from the phone (like here), but it seems I will NOT be in their coverage area for internet, only for TV. The question is whether I can buy a wifi router here that will save me the rental costs there? I wonder if I will be able to adapt an rj-11 fone line to the router?? I don't know if it will be a connection type DHCP, Static IP Address, or PPPoE. The router I have here in the US is a Linksys WRT150N and has all 3 capabilities. Must I look for a model that has an rj-11 port for internet connection, or must I find an adapter to take with me (the WRT150N has an Ethernet jack for that). What else? .tia! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] big decisions
Ok, this coming October I was pretty much set on the iPhone..the apps, full HTML browsing etc was worth going to AT$T. At least from what I know. Verizon just decided to combat the iPhone with HTC Diamond and Touch pro each for 99 bux. Anyone with experience with either of those phones have input? I've used winmo before, I can deal with the blood shooting from my eyes if I'm getting a much better deal any other way. Anyone use the newer version of touchflo? Thoughts? I'm also in line for a 20% discount if I go with verizon..another point in their favor. Another contender that could be a possibility is the blackberry storm although that is a laggert. Any thoughts or rants welcome, TIA. Mike * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] A Computer Question ... Horrors!
On Aug 4, 2009, at 7:30 AM, MrMike6by9 wrote: I've have MacBookPro Ver 1.1 about 3½ years old. A friend just got a current gen 17 MPB. I still use a Vista machine that has a hardware printer. On my bank's website, a print request generates a *.aspx file for open with application or save file as dialog when using Firefox on both MBPs. I have seen similar. ASP means it is an bletcherous M$ site full of buglets like this one. Try changing the file extension to .pdf and see if you can open and print in via Preview. Works for me. YMMV. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] big decisions
On Aug 4, 2009, at 2:21 PM, mike wrote: Ok, this coming October I was pretty much set on the iPhone..the apps, full HTML browsing etc was worth going to AT$T. At least from what I know. What!? Tell us that you are not going to hold out for the new Windows Phone? I don't believe it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] big decisions
Yes, I know, I've scratched my eyes out before when I had a WM phone...but at 99 bux..and verizon...and no hope in sight for the iphone to be released. On top of the very closed system on iphone for their apps. At least the apps that matter. On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:48 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 4, 2009, at 2:21 PM, mike wrote: Ok, this coming October I was pretty much set on the iPhone..the apps, full HTML browsing etc was worth going to AT$T. At least from what I know. What!? Tell us that you are not going to hold out for the new Windows Phone? I don't believe it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] big decisions
mike wrote: Ok, this coming October I was pretty much set on the iPhone..the apps, full HTML browsing etc was worth going to AT$T. Mike, Have you seen this article in the W.P. ? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/04/AR2009080401576.html -- Sous le ciel tout étoilé John Settle Personal Webpage: Urban Astro Images http://home.comcast.net/%7Ejjs-cts/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] big decisions
I haven't read that particular article, but have been hearing the rumblings from podcasters and bloggers. Even if all the bad things that are said about the hardware (not the ATT side), the iPhone is still head and shoulders above anything else out there. The app situation is causing me to pause somewhat, but I don't think enough to jump into the horrors of WINMO. Two things I found out since I started this thread. One, I get a 22% discount at Sprint. Two, the hero is coming to Sprint in October. I sense a convergence... On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 3:30 PM, John Settle john_j_set...@yahoo.com wrote: mike wrote: Ok, this coming October I was pretty much set on the iPhone..the apps, full HTML browsing etc was worth going to AT$T. Mike, Have you seen this article in the W.P. ? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/04/AR2009080401576.html -- Sous le ciel tout étoilé John Settle Personal Webpage: Urban Astro Images http://home.comcast.net/%7Ejjs-cts/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Road runner cable access with a third party router
Does any of that make sense? I understand that the local cable office does have a WAP version as well as a non-WAP version of the modem. One other approach when the cable company or other broadband ISP doesn't want to open up its firewall setup is to have a DMZ IP address which is assigned to your router. Set up the router to do its normal IP filtering, NAT and SPI functions, and you're just as safe as if you had the router connected to a dumb modem. This assumes of course that you use WPA2 with AES and a relatively long password/pre-shared-key. Most ISPs will detail how to setup a DMZ IP address or range for folks like gamers. Just remember to use the router and not your computer as the interface. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Data recovery software for a Mac disk?
I use PC Inspector Smart Recovery products for recovering data from media and hard drives on PC's. Can anyone recommend similar products for Mac hard drives? (In case of corruption of the drive directory or accidentally deleted files on an external USB drive attached to a Tiger MacBook) db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
