Re: [CGUYS] IE8/9 Fail Acid Test Badly

[mike]

Strange sentence...since FF just took over the number one spot we have to
wait to see what happens, and at the end they already decided on the
outcome.

BTW, we already *know* the outcome, it's told everytime, every year at the
pwn to own contest.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:37 PM, t.piwowar  wrote:

> On Dec 2, 2009, at 9:02 PM, mike wrote:
>
>>
>> http://vista.blorge.com/2009/12/02/firefox-overtakes-internet-explorer-in-germany/
>>
>
> "It will be interesting to see what if any effect this has on hacker
> activity in the country. Defenders of Microsoft’s security record have
> previously argued that viruses could be targeted at Internet Explorer as
> much because it offers the largest pool of potential victims as because of
> inherent flaws in the browser itself. That explanation has now – albeit on a
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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse

[mike]

Wow.  Tony better get a food taster.  I think Tom took this a little too
personally.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:34 PM, t.piwowar  wrote:

> On Dec 2, 2009, at 10:09 PM, Tony B wrote:
>
>> Dumbest thing I've seen in ages. "On a tap the mouse will click, no
>> physical click required". Wow! No more onerous mouse clicking! Thank
>> god we're saved at last from the drudgery!
>>
>
> You are so predictable. I'm surprised you are not still railing against
> that "silly mouse thing" that Apple introduced on the 1st Macintosh. Get a
> life.
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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse

[t.piwowar]

On Dec 2, 2009, at 10:09 PM, Tony B wrote:

Dumbest thing I've seen in ages. "On a tap the mouse will click, no
physical click required". Wow! No more onerous mouse clicking! Thank
god we're saved at last from the drudgery!


You are so predictable. I'm surprised you are not still railing  
against that "silly mouse thing" that Apple introduced on the 1st  
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Re: [CGUYS] IE8/9 Fail Acid Test Badly

[t.piwowar]

On Dec 2, 2009, at 9:02 PM, mike wrote:

http://vista.blorge.com/2009/12/02/firefox-overtakes-internet-explorer-in-germany/


"It will be interesting to see what if any effect this has on hacker  
activity in the country. Defenders of Microsoft’s security record have  
previously argued that viruses could be targeted at Internet Explorer  
as much because it offers the largest pool of potential victims as  
because of inherent flaws in the browser itself. That explanation has  
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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse

[Tony B]

Dumbest thing I've seen in ages. "On a tap the mouse will click, no
physical click required". Wow! No more onerous mouse clicking! Thank
god we're saved at last from the drudgery!

> Didn't take long...
> "By using MouseWizard, you can give your Magic Mouse three extra buttons,
> 'pinch', 'bloat' and 'tap to click' trackpad gestures, and special features
> such as 'coverup' to make your Mac go to sleep."
> http://www.samuco.net/web/node/23


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse

[tjpa]

On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:14 PM, Tony B wrote:

I'm not sure what you mean about 'growing' gestures. All the ones I've
seen are gestures that have been used for ages. Either by moving the
whole mouse, or just the scroll wheel.


Didn't take long...
"By using MouseWizard, you can give your Magic Mouse three extra  
buttons, 'pinch', 'bloat' and 'tap to click' trackpad gestures, and  
special features such as 'coverup' to make your Mac go to sleep."

http://www.samuco.net/web/node/23


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Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives

[mike]

If there are a few devices now, I mid next year there will start to be a lot
more.  New motherboards are shipping with USB3 now.  It can't be far behind.

I'm hoping this christmas I can pick up a blu ray burner from
newegg...finish off my media player by my tv.

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> Look, nobody's more upset about the delay for usb3 than myself. All
> year I've been telling everyone that will listen that we'll be
> changing over to usb3 around xmas 2009. But now that's not going to
> happen, and from the looks of it we'll be lucky to change over before
> *next* christmas.
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Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives

[Tony B]

Look, nobody's more upset about the delay for usb3 than myself. All
year I've been telling everyone that will listen that we'll be
changing over to usb3 around xmas 2009. But now that's not going to
happen, and from the looks of it we'll be lucky to change over before
*next* christmas.

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Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives

[mike]

Dammit, and those are COOL!

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:54 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Dec 2, 2009, at 8:13 PM, mike wrote:
>
>> Buffalo has a drive out now, and as you said mobos abound.  The point was
>> this is not vaporware.  The poin't wasn't that you could get a USB 3.0
>> drive
>> at walgreens.
>>
>
> I'm told they have a bunch of USB3 Barbies in blister packs by the checkout
> counter at the Lalaland Walgreens, but none in my neighborhood.
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Re: [CGUYS] IE8/9 Fail Acid Test Badly

[mike]

http://vista.blorge.com/2009/12/02/firefox-overtakes-internet-explorer-in-germany/


On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:45 PM, tjp  wrote:

>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/02/AR2009120203569.html
>
> "But even today, they still don't play that nicely. As you can see in this
> video about IE9 <
> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Charles/IE-9-Standards-and-Interoperability/>,
> they are still nowhere near passing the Acid3 browser test. Safari, Opera,
> and Chrome have all now achieved 100/100 scores on the test. Firefox has
> gotten a 96/100. IE? Well IE8 (the current version) gets a 20/100. And IE9,
> which isn't out yet, only gets a 32/100. You can try to argue (which
> Microsoft does) that much of the test is meaningless to everyday browsing,
> but the fact remains that all its major competitors are able to pass it or
> are on the verge of passing it."
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Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives

[tjpa]

On Dec 2, 2009, at 8:13 PM, mike wrote:
Buffalo has a drive out now, and as you said mobos abound.  The  
point was
this is not vaporware.  The poin't wasn't that you could get a USB  
3.0 drive

at walgreens.


I'm told they have a bunch of USB3 Barbies in blister packs by the  
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[CGUYS] IE8/9 Fail Acid Test Badly

[tjp]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/02/AR2009120203569.html

"But even today, they still don't play that nicely. As you can see in  
this video about IE9 , they are still nowhere near passing the Acid3 browser test.  
Safari, Opera, and Chrome have all now achieved 100/100 scores on the  
test. Firefox has gotten a 96/100. IE? Well IE8 (the current version)  
gets a 20/100. And IE9, which isn't out yet, only gets a 32/100. You  
can try to argue (which Microsoft does) that much of the test is  
meaningless to everyday browsing, but the fact remains that all its  
major competitors are able to pass it or are on the verge of passing  
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Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives

[mike]

Buffalo has a drive out now, and as you said mobos abound.  The point was
this is not vaporware.  The poin't wasn't that you could get a USB 3.0 drive
at walgreens.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:31 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Dec 2, 2009, at 6:21 PM, mike wrote:
>
>> So unless you can buy USB3 hard drives like chicklets, they don't exist?
>>
>
> I just went looking for one and came up dry.
>
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Re: [CGUYS] google web crawlers and the WSJ

[mike]

Be sure not to actual back up what you say.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:04 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Dec 2, 2009, at 7:47 PM, mike wrote:
>
>> Recent events prove untrue.  NYT among others have been following up on
>> some
>> FN stories.  A broken clock is right twice a day...which ever broken one
>> you
>> are looking at.
>>
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Re: [CGUYS] google web crawlers and the WSJ

[tjpa]

On Dec 2, 2009, at 7:47 PM, mike wrote:
Recent events prove untrue.  NYT among others have been following up  
on some
FN stories.  A broken clock is right twice a day...which ever broken  
one you

are looking at.


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Re: [CGUYS] google web crawlers and the WSJ

[mike]

Recent events prove untrue.  NYT among others have been following up on some
FN stories.  A broken clock is right twice a day...which ever broken one you
are looking at.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:39 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Dec 2, 2009, at 7:07 PM, mike wrote:
>
>> The problem is that many people now abuse this feature to get all of their
>> WSJ articles for free. The new change will limit you to five pages per day
>> before you must register, regardless of how you get to the website. Media
>> outlets can opt into this program if they so desire."
>>
>
> The problem most online publications have is total lack of reader loyalty.
> The average number of pages read by a visitor is currently 1.2. The average
> revenue brought in by a news story is just $6. Publishers should wish that
> visitors spend more time reading their stories and perhaps clicking on a
> couple of ads.
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> worry much about our stealing their reporting.
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Re: [CGUYS] google web crawlers and the WSJ

[tjpa]

On Dec 2, 2009, at 7:07 PM, mike wrote:
The problem is that many people now abuse this feature to get all of  
their
WSJ articles for free. The new change will limit you to five pages  
per day
before you must register, regardless of how you get to the website.  
Media

outlets can opt into this program if they so desire."


The problem most online publications have is total lack of reader  
loyalty. The average number of pages read by a visitor is currently  
1.2. The average revenue brought in by a news story is just $6.  
Publishers should wish that visitors spend more time reading their  
stories and perhaps clicking on a couple of ads.


As long as the WSJ's focuses on echoing Fox News I don't think they  
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Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives

[tjpa]

On Dec 2, 2009, at 6:21 PM, mike wrote:
So unless you can buy USB3 hard drives like chicklets, they don't  
exist?


I just went looking for one and came up dry.

Found some motherboards and lots of cables, nothing else.


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[CGUYS] google web crawlers and the WSJ

[mike]

http://mashable.com/2009/12/01/google-news-media-changes/

"There are two changes that Google hopes will quell the discontent of media
outlets. The first one is a change to its “First Click Free” program, which
allows users to visit an article for free, but directs them to a sign-up
page if they browse to another page. For example, if you visited a Wall
Street Journal article from Google News, you’d get the full article for
free, but would have to pay for other articles.

The problem is that many people now abuse this feature to get all of their
WSJ articles for free. The new change will limit you to five pages per day
before you must register, regardless of how you get to the website. Media
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Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives

[mike]

So unless you can buy USB3 hard drives like chicklets, they don't exist?

Motherboards abound online..tigerdirect, newegg...fry's electronics.  I saw
a buffalo ext. drive adverted last week.  You know very well I didn't say to
run out and replace anything.  You mistakenly called something that exists,
vaporware, I corrected you.

I checked the local grocery store, they have yet to have any in the candy
machines up front, so yes, to you USB3 is 'vaporware'.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Tony B  wrote:

> Oh, I had no idea. Last I heard the interface was only just now being
> included in a few motherboards. I anxiously await your links to where
> I can buy some cheap USB3 cards and external drives, because I'm sure
> you don't mean we're all supposed to replace our motherboards to get
> USB3 today.
>
> I'm not sure for the exact cause of the delay, but at this rate we'll
> be lucky if we see good usb3 products before *next* xmas.
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:19 PM, mike  wrote:
> > Perhaps the meaning of vaporware is different for you...but if I can buy
> it,
> > I figure it's not vaporware.
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Tony B  wrote:
> >
> >> True, but USB3 is still vaporware. Or, is there a separate word for an
> >> entire hardware standard that's way overdue?
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Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives

[Tony B]

Oh, I had no idea. Last I heard the interface was only just now being
included in a few motherboards. I anxiously await your links to where
I can buy some cheap USB3 cards and external drives, because I'm sure
you don't mean we're all supposed to replace our motherboards to get
USB3 today.

I'm not sure for the exact cause of the delay, but at this rate we'll
be lucky if we see good usb3 products before *next* xmas.


On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:19 PM, mike  wrote:
> Perhaps the meaning of vaporware is different for you...but if I can buy it,
> I figure it's not vaporware.
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Tony B  wrote:
>
>> True, but USB3 is still vaporware. Or, is there a separate word for an
>> entire hardware standard that's way overdue?


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Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives

[mike]

Perhaps the meaning of vaporware is different for you...but if I can buy it,
I figure it's not vaporware.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Tony B  wrote:

> True, but USB3 is still vaporware. Or, is there a separate word for an
> entire hardware standard that's way overdue?
>
> Anyway, we have no trouble using USB2 external drives. But I sure
> would like more bandwidth!
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:14 PM, mike  wrote:
> > You need to read up, USB 3 does allow for two way traffic.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:00 AM, b_s-wilk  wrote:
> >
> >> FW:  Well to say it's superior is only half right.  It's superior in
> some
> >>> ways.  If raw speed is what is needed, USB3 or ESATA is superior.  I
> would
> >>> go everyday and twice on sunday for an esata drive on my home network
> over
> >>> FW...but there are situations where FW would be best.
> >>>
> >>
> >> For drives that can hot-swap, no USB, real or vaporware can compare with
> >> FireWire for speed and reliability [eSATA depends on controller and
> mobo].
> >> That's important for real-time video and animation. FireWire allows
> two-way
> >> 'traffic' while USB can't send and receive simultaneously. I stopped
> using
> >> the USB port on my videocam because the video was unreliable [because of
> >> USB, not my camera] while FW is flawless as long as the battery is
> working
> >> or it's plugged in.
> >>
> >> Where flawless raw speed is required, FireWire is better than USB at any
> >> speed--I have FW800, my camera doesn't. Most users don't need that kind
> of
> >> smooth reliability, even for games. Sometimes cheap, L.C.D. is just
> fine.
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Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives

[Tony B]

True, but USB3 is still vaporware. Or, is there a separate word for an
entire hardware standard that's way overdue?

Anyway, we have no trouble using USB2 external drives. But I sure
would like more bandwidth!


On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:14 PM, mike  wrote:
> You need to read up, USB 3 does allow for two way traffic.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:00 AM, b_s-wilk  wrote:
>
>> FW:  Well to say it's superior is only half right.  It's superior in some
>>> ways.  If raw speed is what is needed, USB3 or ESATA is superior.  I would
>>> go everyday and twice on sunday for an esata drive on my home network over
>>> FW...but there are situations where FW would be best.
>>>
>>
>> For drives that can hot-swap, no USB, real or vaporware can compare with
>> FireWire for speed and reliability [eSATA depends on controller and mobo].
>> That's important for real-time video and animation. FireWire allows two-way
>> 'traffic' while USB can't send and receive simultaneously. I stopped using
>> the USB port on my videocam because the video was unreliable [because of
>> USB, not my camera] while FW is flawless as long as the battery is working
>> or it's plugged in.
>>
>> Where flawless raw speed is required, FireWire is better than USB at any
>> speed--I have FW800, my camera doesn't. Most users don't need that kind of
>> smooth reliability, even for games. Sometimes cheap, L.C.D. is just fine.
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[mike]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128410&cm_re=usb_3-_-13-128-410-_-Product

And others like it.

FW3200 however if delivered, though spec'd slower than USB3 will again
leapfrop USB in real world applications.

YMMV


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Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives

[mike]

You need to read up, USB 3 does allow for two way traffic.



On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:00 AM, b_s-wilk  wrote:

> FW:  Well to say it's superior is only half right.  It's superior in some
>> ways.  If raw speed is what is needed, USB3 or ESATA is superior.  I would
>> go everyday and twice on sunday for an esata drive on my home network over
>> FW...but there are situations where FW would be best.
>>
>
> For drives that can hot-swap, no USB, real or vaporware can compare with
> FireWire for speed and reliability [eSATA depends on controller and mobo].
> That's important for real-time video and animation. FireWire allows two-way
> 'traffic' while USB can't send and receive simultaneously. I stopped using
> the USB port on my videocam because the video was unreliable [because of
> USB, not my camera] while FW is flawless as long as the battery is working
> or it's plugged in.
>
> Where flawless raw speed is required, FireWire is better than USB at any
> speed--I have FW800, my camera doesn't. Most users don't need that kind of
> smooth reliability, even for games. Sometimes cheap, L.C.D. is just fine.
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Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives

[b_s-wilk]

FW:  Well to say it's superior is only half right.  It's superior in some
ways.  If raw speed is what is needed, USB3 or ESATA is superior.  I would
go everyday and twice on sunday for an esata drive on my home network over
FW...but there are situations where FW would be best.


For drives that can hot-swap, no USB, real or vaporware can compare with 
FireWire for speed and reliability [eSATA depends on controller and 
mobo]. That's important for real-time video and animation. FireWire 
allows two-way 'traffic' while USB can't send and receive 
simultaneously. I stopped using the USB port on my videocam because the 
video was unreliable [because of USB, not my camera] while FW is 
flawless as long as the battery is working or it's plugged in.


Where flawless raw speed is required, FireWire is better than USB at any 
speed--I have FW800, my camera doesn't. Most users don't need that kind 
of smooth reliability, even for games. Sometimes cheap, L.C.D. is just fine.



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[CGUYS] tomato or ddwrt?

[mike]

Anyone use either one?  I'm looking for good QoS management.

Another version?  I don't have the space to put something on a pc, so
flashing the router is the way I'm going.


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Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives

[mike]

I did google it, there are numerous references to FW being phased out all
over, just no confirmation.

Perhaps Apple will go with the cheaper, faster USB 3 spec in it's lower end
macbooks...who knows?

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:51 AM, Jordan  wrote:

> I'm sorry for the misguidance about Firewire. I thought I had read
> somewhere that they were phasing it out, can't recall where, and then was
> looking for an inexpensive Mac notebook for a friend. The new MacBooks don't
> have Firewire but there was a $750 refurb that had it. I think he got one.
> Thanks for clearing that up Betty.
>
>
> b_s-wilk wrote:
>
>> What I hear from friends closer to Apple than I am is that FW is alive and
>> well, but that general consumers don't care whether it's there or not. The
>> MacBook Pro and desktop Macs all have FireWire. If it were eliminated from
>> future iMacs or Mac Minis, I'd be forced to get a Mac Pro, or figure out a
>> hack. My MacBook will be replaced with a MacBook Pro.
>>
>>
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Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)

[tjpa]

On Dec 2, 2009, at 7:16 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

Imagine if all products had to be acquired in a similar manner and
with return or cancellation penalties reaching hundreds of dollars if
said items do not meet expectations or live up to advertising claims?


Some software is sold with the stipulation that you won't compare it  
to the competition and if you decide you don't like it you are  
forbidden to tell others.


And hard to believe, that not an M$ EULA. It really is possible to be  
more evil than M$.



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Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives

[Jordan]

I'm sorry for the misguidance about Firewire. I thought I had read 
somewhere that they were phasing it out, can't recall where, and then 
was looking for an inexpensive Mac notebook for a friend. The new 
MacBooks don't have Firewire but there was a $750 refurb that had it. I 
think he got one.

Thanks for clearing that up Betty.

b_s-wilk wrote:
What I hear from friends closer to Apple than I am is that FW is alive 
and well, but that general consumers don't care whether it's there or 
not. The MacBook Pro and desktop Macs all have FireWire. If it were 
eliminated from future iMacs or Mac Minis, I'd be forced to get a Mac 
Pro, or figure out a hack. My MacBook will be replaced with a MacBook 
Pro.





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Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:19 AM, mike  wrote:

> Hope?  Stupidity?
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 4:17 AM, phartz...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Stewart Marshall
>>  wrote:
>>
>> > Try breaking a contract with ATT on your new Iphone and see how much they
>> > will charge you.
>>
>>   Why would anyone agree to a contractual arrangement wherein without
>> even being able to EFFECTIVELY test the product, the user would be
>> penalized if the product eventually failed to perform as had been
>> anticipated or as advertised?

  Or because they quite simply will not let you have a phone under
contract without such a penalty being included.

  Imagine if all products had to be acquired in a similar manner and
with return or cancellation penalties reaching hundreds of dollars if
said items do not meet expectations or live up to advertising claims?

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] iPod Touch fonts

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 6:16 PM, mike  wrote:

> Does rifling through your music collection while driving fall under the same
> catagory as texting?

  Probably not in a purely legal sense.  It has recently been made
illegal to text and drive here in Virginia.  There is a whopping $20
fine for doing so if one is ticketed.  I really do not know why the
state legislature even created that new law since the old faithful
"failure to pay full time and attention" law has been on the books for
years and years and carries a far heftier fine.

  Ah, now I see!  By instituting this new law that is quite specific
to texting, those drivers who are failing to pay attention because
they are texting will be able to avoid the higher fines that will be
meted out for those who are, say, reading a newspaper or watching a
movie.  Is this new law and attendant slap-on-the-wrist a sop to the
cell phone industry that lobbied so intensely to keep the testing law
from even getting out of committee?

  Steve


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