Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Just as a side note, assuming they probably had a pretty good idea who *might* have had the laptop, couldn't they just call the 'rents and *ask* if Jr. had the thing? Actually, this suggestion of what the school could have done is not a side note at all, and is likely at the crux of the entire issue. It is what they should have done to begin with. Instead, they let the technology get in the way, to intrude, if you will, into normal human interaction. It isn't as though the school was overwhelmed with missing or stolen laptops to the point of being physically incapable of keeping up with the sheer numbers that were missing, therefore having to resort to technical means of locating them. It was that old adage, If technology is available, it will be used. It reminds me of the controversy over tasers in the hands of police. They are supposed to be used only in instances wherein brute physical force would normally be necessary, but because they are handy and on the belts of most cops, they often tend to use them for the most minor of reasons, quite often simply because a subject did not respond quickly enough to a verbal command. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Are Macs Really Cheaper To Manage Than PCs? - CIO.com
On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:11 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Macs in the enterprise aren't just cheaper to manage—they're a lot cheaper, according to a new survey released today by the Enterprise Desktop Alliance. My favorite nugget from this report was: top execs often prefer Macs.' * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
While long naked URLs are broken in Thunderbird, the link will be preserved if the URL is wrapped in , and this is the case for every email program I've heard of. Example: with http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/12/AR2010031203974.html?hpid=sec-tech without http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/12/AR2010031203974.html?hpid=sec-tech So, aside from cases where there are character limits like twitter, it is actually easier to not use URL shorteners. On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:24 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: Date:Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:41:06 -0500 From:Robert Carroll carrollcompu...@gmail.com Subject: Re: TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure] John Emmerling wrote: What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no problem? I'm using Mozilla Thunderbird for email. Very long web addresses are broken when they wrap around to the next line. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
At one time they recommended this for AOL users. My Eudora will usually follow a broken link. What I also like is that with a false link, I can place my mouse over it, and see the true link in Eudora. Tells me when I have a false link. Stewart At 02:33 PM 3/13/2010, you wrote: While long naked URLs are broken in Thunderbird, the link will be preserved if the URL is wrapped in , and this is the case for every email program I've heard of. Example: with http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/12/AR2010031203974.html?hpid=sec-tech without http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/12/AR2010031203974.html?hpid=sec-tech So, aside from cases where there are character limits like twitter, it is actually easier to not use URL shorteners. On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:24 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: Date:Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:41:06 -0500 From:Robert Carroll carrollcompu...@gmail.com Subject: Re: TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure] John Emmerling wrote: What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no problem? I'm using Mozilla Thunderbird for email. Very long web addresses are broken when they wrap around to the next line. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Books in the Age of the iPad
A great essay on what the iPad may accomplish. http://craigmod.com/journal/ipad_and_books/ With the iPad we finally have a platform for consuming rich-content in digital form. What does that mean? To understand just why the iPad is so exciting we need to think about how we got here. I want to look at where printed books stand in respect to digital publishing, why we historically haven't read long-form text on screens and how the iPad is wedging itself in the middle of everything. In doing so I think we can find the line in the sand to define when content should be printed or digitized. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
On 03/12/2010 01:31 PM, Reid Katan wrote: How about: They have a picture of a student, upon which, they spied? But you're conceding that at first they didn't know who had the picture. It appears that the IT guys probably lacked access to student records, which means that the student in question was just another possible thief. You Just as a side note, assuming they probably had a pretty good idea who *might* have had the laptop, couldn't they just call the 'rents and *ask* if Jr. had the thing? You're missing something obvious. The company which provided the pictures definitely had ZERO idea of the identity of the individual in the webcam photo. The IT guys then passed it on to school official who apparently then identified who was in the picture. You're assuming steps which actually didn't happen, namely that someone with authority to contact the parents actually knew the identity of the student. Let's see, pictures every 15 minutes for some period of time like for example two hours. Somebody with access to school records then had to identify the student. It appears that after the student was identified, instead of calling the police or the parents, administrative fears about what the student had been doing lead to confronting the student and then calling the parents. We have no idea how long between identifying said student and the confrontation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Books in the Age of the iPad
I love the kindle or especially the ipad in it's color for magazines and news papers, not so keen for novels etc. I like nothing better then walking the rows of printed books. On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 2:42 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: A great essay on what the iPad may accomplish. http://craigmod.com/journal/ipad_and_books/ With the iPad we finally have a platform for consuming rich-content in digital form. What does that mean? To understand just why the iPad is so exciting we need to think about how we got here. I want to look at where printed books stand in respect to digital publishing, why we historically haven't read long-form text on screens and how the iPad is wedging itself in the middle of everything. In doing so I think we can find the line in the sand to define when content should be printed or digitized. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Art Clemons artclem...@aol.com wrote: You're missing something obvious. The company which provided the pictures definitely had ZERO idea of the identity of the individual in the webcam photo. From all that I have been able to ascertain thus far, and also according to statements made in a video recorded back in 2009 by the secondary IT employee of the school, it appears as though the school's own IT department handled everything, from activating the surveillance, to capturing the picture, to handing the picture over to the Vice Principal of the school. No outside parties involved. It appears that after the student was identified, instead of calling the police or the parents, administrative fears about what the student had been doing lead to confronting the student and then calling the parents. Fears about what the student had been doing? I would not think it was fear that caused the school administration to confront the student before contacting his parents. Perhaps the parents would harbor fears were they to come to the conclusion that their son was doing drugs, as the school VP erroneously charged. The school VP most probably developed an attitude and approach based upon a caught you red handed mindset. Let us not forget that there is a little battle of sorts being played out in our schools between students and administrators. Thus the application of that technology on the part of the school as part of their arsenal. The question remains, and has not been addressed by the school system as to why they failed to properly inform students or their parents that such surveillance could take place. The school system has admitted to their error of not providing that information, but never said why it was not done or explained how that important step was overlooked, if that was indeed the case. It is possible that if the school was taking somewhat of an approach to their surveillance that bordered upon being akin to police work, then that could explain why they never notified anyone. In a word, overzealous. I think they exhibited a penchant for zealotry when they confronted the child and showed him a printout of that photo prior to speaking with his parents about what the school perceived to be drug use. That was another huge mistake they made. Once again, turning to technology before they used their brains. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 12 Mar 2010 - Special issue (#2010-15)
On Mar 12, 2010, at 1:37 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: googl zip codes don't exist recovery.gov My curiosity got the best of me, so I did google as mr xhavoc suggested. Here the site that looked like it had some details http://virginia.watchdog.org/334/recovery-gov-director-calls-fake-zip- codes-“much-ado-about-nothing”/ A quick scan seemed to produce a number of allegations and no reply to the poster who pokes holes in their theories. Me, I was curious about the non-existent zips. The PO has a number of Box Section zip codes in bigger cities, like 19101 or -05 or -40 in Philly. If a business uses a box address for its correspondence it will use the zip that doesn't show with street addies attached. However, smart search engines, say for locating closest retail outlets, never seem to trip over the location of these box sections. They are not classified information, but they might help those who seek tempests in teapots. No, I'm not taking the time to see if the alleged missing zips are box sections, just another theory to toss out there! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] copy of office not genuine
i have rejoined cguys. sorry if this has been addressed in the past. i have office 2003. i just started getting this error message. it states that this copy was from a large company. rather than try to fight ms, since i bought this copy at least 5 years ago on ebay(probably), i bought a copy of the new office2007 one surprise is that if i bought the copy after march5(i bought mine on march3), i will get an updated copy of office(2010) when it comes out, for free. my question is, can i get away with overrighting office 2003 with 2007. can i get away with that, or will i end up with a mess? REGARDS jerry gerald slawecki home 301 839 9009 cell 301 233 2248 fax 301 839 9008 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 12 Mar 2010 - Special issue (#2010-15)
It is quite possible this is the case. I live in a one zip code town. Many of the small towns around here are. So if I saw a zip code one number off of my towns zip code I could say it is a non existent address. I said I could, however I know better. I also am secretary for our local Kiwanis Club. We have a PO Box in the post office that serves our town (It is of course identified with our towns Zip Code on the outside) When I started doing our club letterhead, I found out our zip code is one off of the delivery zip code. (61 instead of 60) So this indeed is a strong possibility. Stewart At 09:21 PM 3/13/2010, you wrote: On Mar 12, 2010, at 1:37 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: googl zip codes don't exist recovery.gov My curiosity got the best of me, so I did google as mr xhavoc suggested. Here the site that looked like it had some details http://virginia.watchdog.org/334/recovery-gov-director-calls-fake-zip- codes-much-ado-about-nothing/ A quick scan seemed to produce a number of allegations and no reply to the poster who pokes holes in their theories. Me, I was curious about the non-existent zips. The PO has a number of Box Section zip codes in bigger cities, like 19101 or -05 or -40 in Philly. If a business uses a box address for its correspondence it will use the zip that doesn't show with street addies attached. However, smart search engines, say for locating closest retail outlets, never seem to trip over the location of these box sections. They are not classified information, but they might help those who seek tempests in teapots. No, I'm not taking the time to see if the alleged missing zips are box sections, just another theory to toss out there! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] upgrade office 2003 with 2007 i have rejoined cguys. sorry if this has been addressed in the past. i have office 2003. i just started getting this error message. it states that my copy is
REGARDS jerry gerald slawecki home 301 839 9009 cell 301 233 2248 fax 301 839 9008 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] copy of office not genuine
i have rejoined cguys. sorry if this has been addressed in the past. i have office 2003. i just started getting this error message. it states that this copy is using an authorization number from a large company rather than try to fight ms, since i bought this copy at least 5 years ago on ebay(probably), i bought a copy of the new office2007 one surprise is that if i bought the copy after march5(i bought mine on march3), i will get an updated copy of office(2010) when it comes out, for free. my question is, can i get away with overrighting office 2003 with 2007. can i get away with that, or will i end up with a mess? REGARDS jerry gerald slawecki home 301 839 9009 cell 301 233 2248 fax 301 839 9008 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] overwrite office 2003
i have rejoined cguys. sorry if this has been addressed in the past. i have office 2003. i just started getting this error message. it states that myopy is using an authorization number from a large company rather than try to fight ms, since i bought this copy at least 5 years ago on ebay(probably), i bought a copy of the new office2007 one surprise is that if i bought the copy after march5(i bought mine on march3), i will get an updated copy of office(2010) when it comes out, for free. my question is, can i get away with overrighting office 2003 with 2007. can i get away with that, or will i end up with a mess? REGARDS jerry gerald slawecki home 301 839 9009 cell 301 233 2248 fax 301 839 9008 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Office Upgrade
Jerry I changed the header and moved it into the body of the message. I have office 03/07 and am presently using the Beta for 10. 10 is a little bit of an improvement for 7 but I still get lost with the ribbon menu system. The biggest change is in Publisher which I use a lot. When I go in an change a little bit of formatting it looses my tab settings. So I am not sure if this is a glitch in the Beta or a complete change. Stewart At 08:17 AM 3/13/2010, you wrote: upgrade office 2003 with 2007 i have rejoined cguys. sorry if this has been addressed in the past. i have office 2003. i just started getting this error message. it states that my copy is using an authorization number from a large company. i would keep using 03 with the nusiance message, but i am afraid billy will suddenly shut me down. rather than try to fight ms, since i bought this copy at least 5 years ago on ebay(probably), i bought a copy of the new office2007 one surprise is that if i bought the copy after march5(i bought mine on march3), i will get an updated copy of office(2010) when it comes out, for free. my question is, can i get away with over writing office 2003 with 2007. or will i end up with a mess? jerry * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
Quoting Art Clemons artclem...@aol.com: On 03/12/2010 01:31 PM, Reid Katan wrote: How about: They have a picture of a student, upon which, they spied? But you're conceding that at first they didn't know who had the picture. I'm not conceding anything. Why are they even taking pictures when a quick phone call would do. In my own, admittedly twisted, world, this is how *I* think things should be: 1) School year starts. 2) Every student gets assigned a laptop. Her/his own special, serial numbered, we-know-who-it-belongs-to, laptop. 3a) Parents pay insurance fee, student takes laptop home all the time. Or, 3b) Parents don't pay fee, laptop stays at school. 4) School looks in the Laptop Department and notice that laptop #xyz, assigned to Ace Student is missing. 5) School calls Mr/Mrs Student to ask if Ace has laptop. 5a) Parents say Why, yes. Yes he does have his laptop. And OH MY GOD HE'S DOING DRUGS!! Oh no wait. It's just candy. Maybe I'm naive. Apparently School System went straight to: 6) Take pictures of whoever has Laptop because it's been *stolen*! We *know* it has. It appears that the IT guys probably lacked access to student records, which means that the student in question was just another possible thief. You So The IT Guys were either taking pictures of students without *anyone's* permission (AKA spying on children), or School System had them do it because they couldn't be bothered to call the 'rents. Just as a side note, assuming they probably had a pretty good idea who *might* have had the laptop, couldn't they just call the 'rents and *ask* if Jr. had the thing? You're missing something obvious. The company which provided the pictures definitely had ZERO idea of the identity of the individual in No I'm not. Phone call *before* pictures. Simple. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: No I'm not. Phone call *before* pictures. Simple. I whole-heartedly agree. I think what we have in that school system in this instance and perhaps in other instances as well, is computer technology virtually holding the reins, having become the first, last and only resort. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
