[CGUYS] Apple's Code Names

[b_s-wilk]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
 wrote:


I have noticed that Mac owners refer to their Mac's by certain names,
Lombards, Wallstreet, G3, G4, etc.

Is there someplace where a neophyte can look these evolutions up?


  Look here, Stewart:

http://www.everymac.com/



Macs have code names. So do Apple's peripherals and software. This is an 
old site that I really like [hasn't been updated since 2002]. Has code 
names through G5, http://www.mackido.com/CodeNames/index.html


The Easter Egg section is especially fun:  iguana iguana powersurgius!


Betty


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple to charge $107 for iPad battery replacement EarthLink - Technology News

[b_s-wilk]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 8:59 PM, CITY BOY  wrote:



> On Mar 16, 2010, at 6:33 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

>>
>> Quite possibly.  What, may I ask, is the difference between the life
>> of a product as opposed to the useful life of a product?

>
> The internet has made it a lot shorter. Today it is hard to compute in
> isolation.


  Say what?


It's better to compute in relative isolation--and have a life. The 
Internet has made computing much harder because it's not there when you 
need it, and when it is, it's unreliable. Remote storage in "the cloud" 
is almost as good as lost. Remote storage elsewhere, where instant 
retrieval is possible is much better.


There are some new applications that are simply trash with flash [or 
maybe Flash]--redundant, and no more useful that what we already have, 
unless it's the "shiny new object" or toy factor that attracts you.


Get a life. Or give me the new toys--no charge. [not you Steve]


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple to charge $107 for iPad battery replacement EarthLink - Technology News

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Thanks helps a lot.

Stewart


At 10:14 PM 3/17/2010, you wrote:

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
 wrote:

> I have noticed that Mac owners refer to their Mac's by certain names,
> Lombards, Wallstreet, G3, G4, etc.
>
> Is there someplace where a neophyte can look these evolutions up?

  Look here, Stewart:

http://www.everymac.com/


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Re: [CGUYS] RIM on the Brink

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On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:22 PM, mike  wrote:

> Those who choose to be enslaved are I suppose.  Those drivers with the
> ladders?  They are probably happy to have that phone to make appointments
> and put food on the table for their kids and keep a roof.

  As in lucky just to have a job?  I guess so, repressive though it
may be inside the office as well as out, thanks to the technology.


> In smaller context which is where I thought you started, I consider it
> 'freedom' not to have to drive home to find out what is playing at a
> theater...or order dinner while I'm on my way to the restaurant.

  Good points, I admit.  Problem is, and why I am confused, is that
most of these cell phone ads that bandy about the term "freedom" with
such abandon never really delineate what they mean by the term.  Is it
this "freedom" that causes cell phone users depicted in ads to appear
as though they are always deliriously happy whenever they are talking
on their phones?  I mean, you never see anyone having what appears to
be a serious discussion in a cell phone ad.

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Re: [CGUYS] Apple to charge $107 for iPad battery replacement EarthLink - Technology News

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On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
 wrote:

> I have noticed that Mac owners refer to their Mac's by certain names,
> Lombards, Wallstreet, G3, G4, etc.
>
> Is there someplace where a neophyte can look these evolutions up?

  Look here, Stewart:

http://www.everymac.com/


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple to charge $107 for iPad battery replacement EarthLink - Technology News

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Ugly is in the eye of the beholder.

Answer me this question.

I have noticed that Mac owners refer to their Mac's by certain names, 
Lombards, Wallstreet, G3, G4, etc.


Is there someplace where a neophyte can look these evolutions up?

Stewart


At 09:23 PM 3/17/2010, you wrote:

I had one of those...once again Tom and I agree...damn ugly.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:04 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:29 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I believe that you have made an assumption that is incorrect.  I use
>> the G3 I have mentioned pretty much only to have Freehand available
>> and to interface with my plotter/cutter.
>>
>
> The good for you. The only other down side I can think of is that ugly
> color of the case.


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple to charge $107 for iPad battery replacement EarthLink - Technology News

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On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:04 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> The good for you. The only other down side I can think of is that ugly color
> of the case.

  True enough.  I keep it mounted down low.  Really can't even see it.
 Use a MS mouse with it and really like the way the G3 handles
scrolling, even more so than with the more modern Macs.  Maybe that is
just my preference at play.  Regardless, I like that old machine, have
more of an attachment for it in certain ways that the newer ones, and
the sucker just keeps on cranking as though it will never die.  Got
FireWire on it as well as USB, albeit version 1, and a hellatious NEC
Diamondtron monitor.

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Re: [CGUYS] Apple to charge $107 for iPad battery replacement EarthLink - Technology News

[mike]

I had one of those...once again Tom and I agree...damn ugly.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:04 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:29 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I believe that you have made an assumption that is incorrect.  I use
>> the G3 I have mentioned pretty much only to have Freehand available
>> and to interface with my plotter/cutter.
>>
>
> The good for you. The only other down side I can think of is that ugly
> color of the case.
>
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Re: [CGUYS] RIM on the Brink

[mike]

Those who choose to be enslaved are I suppose.  Those drivers with the
ladders?  They are probably happy to have that phone to make appointments
and put food on the table for their kids and keep a roof.

In smaller context which is where I thought you started, I consider it
'freedom' not to have to drive home to find out what is playing at a
theater...or order dinner while I'm on my way to the restaurant.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 6:54 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 8:16 PM, mike  wrote:
>
> > Maybe freedom to not be on roaming charges every other day?  Freedom to
> be
> > anywhere in the city and get 3g as opposed to not.  Freedom to get any
> > information anywhere you are.  Remember when you first had to find a
> > payphone and stop and hope you had a dime to use it?  Then you had the
> > freedom of having a cell phoneand waiting to use the net until you
> got
> > home.  Now you can use the net anywhere.  Seems like more 'freedom' in
> that
> > context.
>
>   But then again, you have the worker bee who is handed a cell phone
> by the company and is required to keep it turned on so that he or she
> can be contacted at any time.  No freedom there.  Such is the plight
> of many who drive around our towns and cities in those white vans with
> the ladders on top.
>
>  Recently I told my best friend to refuse to accept a company issued
> cell phone.  She backed down and took it.  Now, her boss calls her a
> lot for the most meaningless of reasons, often on days off, sometimes
> telling her on her day off that she is really needed back at the
> office.  No freedom there.  Her boss gets pissed if the phone is
> turned off or not answered.  I call it an umbilical cord.
>
>  Most of the so-called freedoms that you have mentioned are not
> really freedoms at all, but rather attributes.  Freedom is, in part,
> to not be enslaved, which is quite nearly the opposite of the
> situation that many cell phones users find themselves in as they
> become emotionally dependent upon, even almost enslaved to those
> devices.
>
>  So, thanks for the attempt to convince me that cell phones provide
> for freedom, but I still do not see it.
>
>  Steve
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Re: [CGUYS] Apple to charge $107 for iPad battery replacement EarthLink - Technology News

[tjpa]

On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:29 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

I believe that you have made an assumption that is incorrect.  I use
the G3 I have mentioned pretty much only to have Freehand available
and to interface with my plotter/cutter.


The good for you. The only other down side I can think of is that ugly  
color of the case.



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Re: [CGUYS] RIM on the Brink

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On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 8:16 PM, mike  wrote:

> Maybe freedom to not be on roaming charges every other day?  Freedom to be
> anywhere in the city and get 3g as opposed to not.  Freedom to get any
> information anywhere you are.  Remember when you first had to find a
> payphone and stop and hope you had a dime to use it?  Then you had the
> freedom of having a cell phoneand waiting to use the net until you got
> home.  Now you can use the net anywhere.  Seems like more 'freedom' in that
> context.

  But then again, you have the worker bee who is handed a cell phone
by the company and is required to keep it turned on so that he or she
can be contacted at any time.  No freedom there.  Such is the plight
of many who drive around our towns and cities in those white vans with
the ladders on top.

  Recently I told my best friend to refuse to accept a company issued
cell phone.  She backed down and took it.  Now, her boss calls her a
lot for the most meaningless of reasons, often on days off, sometimes
telling her on her day off that she is really needed back at the
office.  No freedom there.  Her boss gets pissed if the phone is
turned off or not answered.  I call it an umbilical cord.

  Most of the so-called freedoms that you have mentioned are not
really freedoms at all, but rather attributes.  Freedom is, in part,
to not be enslaved, which is quite nearly the opposite of the
situation that many cell phones users find themselves in as they
become emotionally dependent upon, even almost enslaved to those
devices.

  So, thanks for the attempt to convince me that cell phones provide
for freedom, but I still do not see it.

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Re: [CGUYS] Apple to charge $107 for iPad battery replacement EarthLink - Technology News

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On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 8:59 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Mar 16, 2010, at 6:33 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Quite possibly.  What, may I ask, is the difference between the life
>> of a product as opposed to the useful life of a product?
>
> The internet has made it a lot shorter. Today it is hard to compute in
> isolation.

  Say what?

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple to charge $107 for iPad battery replacement EarthLink - Technology News

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On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 8:58 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Mar 17, 2010, at 7:51 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> My G3 Mac desktop still runs great, and most importantly to me, it
>> runs Freehand, an application that I just cannot really do without
>> unless I want to spend a lot of money.  Obsolete?  Definitely.
>> Useful?  Absolutely.  I think?  I think I share your affinity for
>> Freehand.
>
> But the price is too high. You get Freehand, but then you can't have a good
> web browser or good email. You have trouble exchanging files. You can't use
> the latest fonts. Other people can't use your files. Etc. That is a high
> price to pay.

  I believe that you have made an assumption that is incorrect.  I use
the G3 I have mentioned pretty much only to have Freehand available
and to interface with my plotter/cutter.

  I create files for use in Freehand either in Freehand itself on that
G3 or in applications that run on either my iMac or on my eMac or my
MacBook Pro.  Conversely, I can export files created in Freehand to
apps that run on the computers I have mentioned other than the G3.

  I do my browsing and e-mail on the iMac, as I am doing right now.  I
can write Postscript files directly from Freehand for service bureau
use.

  I am not paying a high price at all.  I actually have a lot of
flexibility and my setup works for me.  The various machines can be
networked wirelessly if I want to work that way.  I don't have a
problem.

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple to charge $107 for iPad battery replacement EarthLink - Technology News

[tjpa]

On Mar 17, 2010, at 7:51 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

My G3 Mac desktop still runs great, and most importantly to me, it
runs Freehand, an application that I just cannot really do without
unless I want to spend a lot of money.  Obsolete?  Definitely.
Useful?  Absolutely.  I think?  I think I share your affinity for
Freehand.


But the price is too high. You get Freehand, but then you can't have a  
good web browser or good email. You have trouble exchanging files. You  
can't use the latest fonts. Other people can't use your files. Etc.  
That is a high price to pay.



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Re: [CGUYS] Apple to charge $107 for iPad battery replacement EarthLink - Technology News

[tjpa]

On Mar 16, 2010, at 6:33 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

Quite possibly.  What, may I ask, is the difference between the life
of a product as opposed to the useful life of a product?


The internet has made it a lot shorter. Today it is hard to compute in  
isolation.



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Re: [CGUYS] FreeHand [Was: Apple to charge $107 for iPad...]

[tjpa]

On Mar 17, 2010, at 12:12 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:
I like FreeHand. I used Illustrator on and off since Illustrator 88.  
I hate it. It appears to be written by coders who know nothing about  
illustration or drawing. FreeHand [Altsys, Aldus] used so many of  
the metaphors that those of us who actually draw for a living can  
relate to and use without a steep learning process. I used it for  
regular drawing and for basic mechanical drawing--very intuitive.


Completely right. Illustrator was coded by John Warnock by wrapping a  
GUI around PostScript (a programming language which he had previously  
created). In the early days, if f you knew how to code in PostScript  
you could clearly see this in Illustrator. The developers of Freehand  
were very much interested in how artists thought about drawing. I ran  
into the developers at MacWorld as they were demoong the first version  
of Freehand. When they found out what I did they dragged me off to  
pick my brain. They kept showing me alternative examples of how the  
program's tools might work. They kept asking me "Which of these  
alternatives is closer to how a graphic artist would think about  
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Re: [CGUYS] RIM on the Brink

[mike]

Maybe freedom to not be on roaming charges every other day?  Freedom to be
anywhere in the city and get 3g as opposed to not.  Freedom to get any
information anywhere you are.  Remember when you first had to find a
payphone and stop and hope you had a dime to use it?  Then you had the
freedom of having a cell phoneand waiting to use the net until you got
home.  Now you can use the net anywhere.  Seems like more 'freedom' in that
context.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:05 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Stewart Marshall
>  wrote:
>
> > From a few reviews they are all pretty customizable, the nice part of
> being
> > android.
>
>   While we are on the subject, perhaps someone can explain to me the
> nexus between the concept of freedom and cell phones?  The term
> "freedom" abounds in advertising for cell phones, and most cell
> service providers routinely suggest that their service gives their
> users more "freedom."  What the heck are they talking about?  What
> would cause myself or anyone else to be more "free" if using a cell
> phone as opposed to not using one?
>
>  I have never felt more "free" than usual just because I have my cell
> phone with me.  Indeed, some of the most repressed and even paranoid
> folks I know have cell phones and cling to them as Linus does with
> that blanket.  That "freedom" thing doesn't seem to work for them.  I
> am at a loss.
>
>  Steve
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Re: [CGUYS] RIM on the Brink

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On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Stewart Marshall
 wrote:

> From a few reviews they are all pretty customizable, the nice part of being
> android.

  While we are on the subject, perhaps someone can explain to me the
nexus between the concept of freedom and cell phones?  The term
"freedom" abounds in advertising for cell phones, and most cell
service providers routinely suggest that their service gives their
users more "freedom."  What the heck are they talking about?  What
would cause myself or anyone else to be more "free" if using a cell
phone as opposed to not using one?

  I have never felt more "free" than usual just because I have my cell
phone with me.  Indeed, some of the most repressed and even paranoid
folks I know have cell phones and cling to them as Linus does with
that blanket.  That "freedom" thing doesn't seem to work for them.  I
am at a loss.

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

[mike]

Heyyou are right!  Waitaminute here!

We'll all be better off with Emanuel's complete lives system anyhoo.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:37 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
>  wrote:
>
> > As far as I know Medicare has been paying out more than it brings in
> every
> > year.
>
>   Hey, wouldn't those "Death Panels" take care of that problem?
>
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Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

[mike]

Like we don't have anything better for these guys to do.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:26 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Specter calls Senate hearing on Web cam issues
>
> Sen. Arlen Specter (D., Pa.) said yesterday that the Judiciary
> subcommittee on crime and drugs, which he chairs, would meet in
> Philadelphia March 29 on the use of remote tracking software to take
> pictures using the built-in cameras on the student-issued laptops.
>
> <
> http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/pa/20100317_Specter_calls_Senate_hearing_on_Web_cam_issues.html
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Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

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On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
 wrote:

> As far as I know Medicare has been paying out more than it brings in every
> year.

  Hey, wouldn't those "Death Panels" take care of that problem?

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] FreeHand [Was: Apple to charge $107 for iPad...]

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On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 12:12 PM, b_s-wilk  wrote:

> Macromedia made FH for Mac worse for a few years, but FreeHand has always
> been a more versatile, user-friendly program than Illustrator. Adobe killed
> it because it competed with their inferior Illustrator. I have FH 10. It
> doesn't work well with Leopard.

  I have version 8 point something or other.  Works well for me and it
drives my plotter/cutter with the addition of a plug-in.  Yea!

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Don't you just love the Wizard of Id?

Stewart

At 06:21 PM 3/17/2010, you wrote:

Comics are REAL TOO??

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>
> Ever wonder why they put astrology stuff on the same page or next to the
> comics?



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Re: [CGUYS] Windows Phone 7: Too Much Like the iPhone?

[mike]

Another for Android...twitter/facebook/gmail/myspace etc are integrated.
After pulling contacts from gmail, I can link it to facebook and then any
changes a facebook user makes..say phone number or just contact pic, changes
automatically in my phone.  One huge thing lacks though on Android, there is
no true bookmark syncing...it can be done haphazardly, but not behind the
scenes as other things happen.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Chris Dunford  wrote:

> > Funny you never posted this when Palm did it...or Android...or Blackberry
> > that copied push notification before Apple did it.  That was way cool
> when
> > Blackberry copied Apple before Apple even did it.
>
> This guy thinks that push notification is the least of it.
>
> "What differentiates Windows Phone 7 Series from iPhone is the same thing
> that made Zune so different from iPod: Social sharing. ... Microsoft is
> making social a platform that runs deep into Windows
> Phone 7 Series. ... It's one thing to use Facebook on a mobile phone. It's
> a whole other order of experience interacting around disparate content
> repositories, which is the differentiating direction
> Microsoft is taking Windows Phone 7 Series -- and it's a path Apple has
> failed to follow with iPhone. ... Apple's idea of social interaction is the
> push notification. It's a weak compromise that
> Microsoft seems ready enough to exploit (granted, Windows Phone 7 Series
> has push notifications, too)."
>
> http://bit.ly/dtyDkE
>
> -OR-
>
>
> http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Windows-Phone-7-Series-actually-looks-pretty-good/1268683306
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Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

[phartz...@gmail.com]

Specter calls Senate hearing on Web cam issues

Sen. Arlen Specter (D., Pa.) said yesterday that the Judiciary
subcommittee on crime and drugs, which he chairs, would meet in
Philadelphia March 29 on the use of remote tracking software to take
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Re: [CGUYS] Windows Phone 7: Too Much Like the iPhone?

[Chris Dunford]

> Funny you never posted this when Palm did it...or Android...or Blackberry
> that copied push notification before Apple did it.  That was way cool when
> Blackberry copied Apple before Apple even did it.

This guy thinks that push notification is the least of it.

"What differentiates Windows Phone 7 Series from iPhone is the same thing that 
made Zune so different from iPod: Social sharing. ... Microsoft is making 
social a platform that runs deep into Windows
Phone 7 Series. ... It's one thing to use Facebook on a mobile phone. It's a 
whole other order of experience interacting around disparate content 
repositories, which is the differentiating direction
Microsoft is taking Windows Phone 7 Series -- and it's a path Apple has failed 
to follow with iPhone. ... Apple's idea of social interaction is the push 
notification. It's a weak compromise that
Microsoft seems ready enough to exploit (granted, Windows Phone 7 Series has 
push notifications, too)."

http://bit.ly/dtyDkE

-OR-

http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Windows-Phone-7-Series-actually-looks-pretty-good/1268683306


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Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

[mike]

Comics are REAL TOO??

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>
> Ever wonder why they put astrology stuff on the same page or next to the
> comics?
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Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

I don't give advice on how to live. I leave that for Dear Abby.

Ever wonder why they put astrology stuff on the same page or next to 
the comics?


One reality we cannot escape today we live tomorrow we shall die.

We just don't know when tomorrow will come.

Stewart


At 05:53 PM 3/17/2010, you wrote:
Following your logic, since we will all be dead, we are dead. So we

might as well step off the cliff now.

Your thought process is just not a way to produce reliable results.
You might as well run your life by following the advice in an
astrology column.


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Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

[mike]

Notify the booby hatch in the area in which the author lives...I'm sure they
will pick the guy up for spreading truths.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:54 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Mar 17, 2010, at 6:42 PM, mike wrote:
>
>> I know Tom will come up with some Obama is God or something about right
>> wing
>> nuts or neomicrosofticon plot...but this is from the AP.  Indeed...paying
>> more out than they bring in.
>>
>
> This assertion, while consistent with your totally nutty logic, isn't going
> to get you anywhere useful.
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Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

[tjpa]

On Mar 17, 2010, at 6:42 PM, mike wrote:
I know Tom will come up with some Obama is God or something about  
right wing
nuts or neomicrosofticon plot...but this is from the AP.   
Indeed...paying

more out than they bring in.


This assertion, while consistent with your totally nutty logic, isn't  
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Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

[tjpa]

On Mar 17, 2010, at 6:15 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
Glad to hear that Tom, problem is not many people live in your  
version of reality.


Following your logic, since we will all be dead, we are dead. So we  
might as well step off the cliff now.


Your thought process is just not a way to produce reliable results.  
You might as well run your life by following the advice in an  
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Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

[Mike Sloane]

In NJ, the build-out of FIOS must by regulation be done on a central 
office ("CO") by central office basis - if they want to serve the 
customers in a particular area, they must offer to serve ALL the 
customers in that "serving central office". i.e. if you are in the 
998-321 office area, and Verizon wants to provide FIOS in that area, 
then they have to arrange to serve ALL the customers that have 
998-321- telephone numbers. So, even if you can spit on the CO from 
your house, if your house isn't served by that central office, they 
don't have to provide FIOS. Obviously, the company is going to look at 
the potential income from serving that CO before committing capital 
dollars to implementing the FIOS scheme. It may be different in other 
states.


I should also point out that the cost of maintaining a copper wire 
infrastructure is very, very high, while the cost of implementing and 
maintaining fiber is coming down very quickly. So it is only a matter of 
time before the economics of the situation will force all telco's to 
replace their aging copper with fiber, at least on the street poles. 
Whether they decide to invest in FIOS (of whatever variety) is another 
matter.


Mike

Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
Glad to hear that Tom, problem is not many people live in your version 
of reality.


Stewart


At 05:05 PM 3/17/2010, you wrote:


It's that time travel thing again. They are not, but they will,
therefore they are. Just not in my version of reality.


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Re: [CGUYS] Windows Phone 7: Too Much Like the iPhone?

[mike]

So just the author thinks Apple invented push..nice to know yer still in
reality in some cases.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:03 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Mar 17, 2010, at 4:51 PM, mike wrote:
>
>> Funny you never posted this when Palm did it...or Android...or Blackberry
>> that copied push notification before Apple did it.  That was way cool when
>> Blackberry copied Apple before Apple even did it.
>>
>
> No I don't think Apple has developed time travel just yet. At least not in
> my version of reality. YRMV (Your Reality May Vary).
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Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

You same story I read.

Medicare was never meant to be like SS where you have some supposed 
account set up and it pays out so much.


It was always funded out of current expenses.

Stewart




At 05:42 PM 3/17/2010, you wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_social_security_ious

I know Tom will come up with some Obama is God or something about right wing
nuts or neomicrosofticon plot...but this is from the AP.  Indeed...paying
more out than they bring in.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:05 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Mar 17, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
>
>> Technically it is.
>> I read a story this week, that stated that SS would start paying out more
>> than it brought in.
>> That is the definition of bankruptcy.
>>
>
> It's that time travel thing again. They are not, but they will, therefore
> they are. Just not in my version of reality.
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Re: [CGUYS] PDF creation application

[Wayne Dernoncourt]

Fred Holmes
> At 07:30 PM 3/15/2010, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote:
>>I shoulda mentioned that she's firmly stuck in the 1980's
>>and uses WordPerfect.  She's talking about moving to Word
>>but _really_ doesn't want to.  She uses WP for everything
>>including file management.

> WordPerfect is a far superior product to Word.  WordPerfect
> was very late migrating to Windows and had very poor
> marketing.  Thus MS already had the market share.  And Word
> is "good enough" for 99% of the people, so they didn't
> consider trying something "new."

> 

> A good virtual PDF printer (puts "print to PDF" as an
> additional printer on the print menu) is CutePDF Writer.
> Freeware.

> http://www.cutepdf.com/products/cutepdf/Writer.asp
 

I'm reluctant to put anything from "cute"anything - they
have a history of putting spyware in the program.  At least
now they seem to ask/insist on putting on your computer - at
least they now _seem_ to ask.  I'm still wary.

-- 
Take care  | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't
Wayne D.   | supply this, at least not directly
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Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

[mike]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_social_security_ious

I know Tom will come up with some Obama is God or something about right wing
nuts or neomicrosofticon plot...but this is from the AP.  Indeed...paying
more out than they bring in.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:05 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Mar 17, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
>
>> Technically it is.
>> I read a story this week, that stated that SS would start paying out more
>> than it brought in.
>> That is the definition of bankruptcy.
>>
>
> It's that time travel thing again. They are not, but they will, therefore
> they are. Just not in my version of reality.
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Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Glad to hear that Tom, problem is not many people live in your 
version of reality.


Stewart


At 05:05 PM 3/17/2010, you wrote:


It's that time travel thing again. They are not, but they will,
therefore they are. Just not in my version of reality.


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Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

[tjpa]

On Mar 17, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:

Technically it is.
I read a story this week, that stated that SS would start paying out  
more than it brought in.

That is the definition of bankruptcy.


It's that time travel thing again. They are not, but they will,  
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Re: [CGUYS] Windows Phone 7: Too Much Like the iPhone?

[tjpa]

On Mar 17, 2010, at 4:51 PM, mike wrote:
Funny you never posted this when Palm did it...or Android...or  
Blackberry
that copied push notification before Apple did it.  That was way  
cool when

Blackberry copied Apple before Apple even did it.


No I don't think Apple has developed time travel just yet. At least  
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Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

[mike]

Over the years our government has gone to even more believing it's their
money and not our money, one congressman or senator recently talked about
how they (congress) were giving us more rights (he was talking about
healthcare)...no one even bothered to tell him we aren't given our rights by
him or any other government official.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Technically it is.
>
> I read a story this week, that stated that SS would start paying out more
> than it brought in.
>
> That is the definition of bankruptcy.
>
> As far as I know Medicare has been paying out more than it brings in every
> year.
>
> However since it is a government benefit they pay it all out of current
> funds.
>
> The caller was right but wrong at the same time.
>
> The bills will still get paid.
>
> Stewart
>
>
>
>
>
> At 03:00 PM 3/17/2010, you wrote:
> No more unfair than what you wrote about government.
>
>  This morning as I switched on NPR I was assaulted by an idiot
>> screaming "Medicare is bankrupt, everything the government does is
>> bankrupt."
>>
>> Maybe the government should be building more insane asylums?
>>
>
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Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Technically it is.

I read a story this week, that stated that SS would start paying out 
more than it brought in.


That is the definition of bankruptcy.

As far as I know Medicare has been paying out more than it brings in 
every year.


However since it is a government benefit they pay it all out of current funds.

The caller was right but wrong at the same time.

The bills will still get paid.

Stewart




At 03:00 PM 3/17/2010, you wrote:
No more unfair than what you wrote about government.


This morning as I switched on NPR I was assaulted by an idiot
screaming "Medicare is bankrupt, everything the government does is
bankrupt."

Maybe the government should be building more insane asylums?


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
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Re: [CGUYS] Is Verizon giving up on building out FIOS?

[tjpa]

On Mar 17, 2010, at 3:59 PM, rleesimon wrote:

Isn't there something wrong here?


The market has spoken. But don't fret. You will have no time for TV  
and Internet. We are raising your insurance rates so you'll need a  
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Re: [CGUYS] Windows Phone 7: Too Much Like the iPhone?

[mike]

Funny you never posted this when Palm did it...or Android...or Blackberry
that copied push notification before Apple did it.  That was way cool when
Blackberry copied Apple before Apple even did it.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:25 PM, tjp  wrote:

>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/191723/windows_phone_7_too_much_like_the_iphone.html
>
> "Microsoft's Windows Phone 7 Series promises to be an interesting addition
> to the wide range of smartphones already available, but it feels like
> Microsoft is copying Apple's strategy just a little too closely."
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Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

[mike]

The Government *is* an insane asylum.

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[CGUYS] Windows Phone 7: Too Much Like the iPhone?

[tjp]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/191723/windows_phone_7_too_much_like_the_iphone.html

"Microsoft's Windows Phone 7 Series promises to be an interesting  
addition to the wide range of smartphones already available, but it  
feels like Microsoft is copying Apple's strategy just a little too  
closely."


Wow! I am surprised.


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Re: [CGUYS] PDF creation application

[tjpa]

On Mar 16, 2010, at 9:43 PM, Fred Holmes wrote:
WordPerfect is a far superior product to Word.  WordPerfect was very  
late migrating to Windows and had very poor marketing.  Thus MS  
already had the market share.  And Word is "good enough" for 99% of  
the people, so they didn't consider trying something "new."


I find current editions of both Word and Word Perfect to be quite sad.  
The both peaked in the 1990s. Since then each successive update gets  
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Re: [CGUYS] Is Verizon giving up on building out FIOS?

[rleesimon]

fios ...yeah, right!

Years ago a bunch of trucks came down our little private lane serving 10+
homes (now 12) and strung fiberoptic cable on the poles ...there it sits. We
are too far from the switching point to get DSL. After many years boasting
proudly that I had never been a cable customer, and after finding the
WalMart special got me exactly 2 digital channels off of my 40' tower with
antenna (being only 1h by car from Philadelphia and having had a whole bunch
of channels from NJ, PA, DE, and MD before the digital debacle), now we have
comcast internet (slow speed) and the cheapest TV (which is almost nothing).
I find this annoying when our town is 3.5 miles from the county seat where
FIOS is in place for all the inner city folks. 

Isn't there something wrong here?

-Original Message-
From: Roger D. Parish [mailto:rogerd.par...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: Is Verizon giving up on building out FIOS?

At 9:39 AM -0400 3/16/10, John Duncan Yoyo wrote:

>The article states that the bean counters are waiting for government to
pony
>up for further FIOS deployments.  If you don't have it yet you may be out
of
>luck.
>
>http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/So-Is-This-Where-Verizons-FiOS-Deploymen
t-Ends-107342
>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100312/1855128547.shtml
>--

But in a comment to the TechDirt report, 

a Verizon spokesman said:

>by Bob Varettoni
>I am a spokesperson for Verizon. Just a few points: Verizon said it 
>would spend $23 billion for FiOS deployment through the end of this 
>year -- and we're meeting that commitment. That's about $22 billion 
>and change more than any other company in America will have actually 
>spent by the end of this year in bringing ultra-fast fiber-based 
>broadband directly to homes.
>
>We have additional commitments to build out FiOS in certain 
>jurisdictions beyond 2010 that we will also meet. Our focus now is 
>on making our FiOS network available for sale -- and selling FiOS 
>services! -- to all the homes we have passed (there's still 
>additional work to be done after a home is passed -- to provide TV, 
>for example, we need a local franchise).

-- 
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Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

[tjpa]

On Mar 16, 2010, at 6:41 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:

Totally unfair criticism.


No more unfair than what you wrote about government.

This morning as I switched on NPR I was assaulted by an idiot  
screaming "Medicare is bankrupt, everything the government does is  
bankrupt."


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Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

[tjpa]

On Mar 16, 2010, at 7:33 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
Everyone likes to interpret data to their advantage.  This list has  
been full of it over the years.


No. These days we have people who are shamelessly willing to invent  
their own reality.


See today's NYT...
The New Rove-Cheney Assault on Reality
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/14/opinion/14rich.html


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Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

[tjpa]

On Mar 17, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
So that is why we had such a volatile conversation.  I have no where  
to go, so I must make this situation work!
That is part of what Vocation is about.  Working where you are and  
doing the best possible job you can.  No matter what.


The market has spoken. We are no longer in a time when you could scare  
the beejeebers out of the congregation to loosen their purses.



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Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me

[rleesimon]

Even easier ...don't buy the ipad...

-Original Message-
From: Fred Holmes [mailto:f...@his.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: noPad4me

At 10:02 PM 3/15/2010, b_s-wilk wrote:
>This is easy. The iPad is a giant iPod Touch. We can open up the Touch to
change the battery. Why not the iPad? The biggest problem is finding a
source for the right battery, instead of a cheap copy. The battery could
cost $50 [the $5 one is worth 90% less], spudger is less than $5, and you
save the rest by doing it yourself, just like any other computer repair.
We'll have to see who has OEM batteries.
>
>That leaves you with $52 for a nice dinner and a bottle of wine.

The $50 battery is "making money on the blades."

Fred Holmes 


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Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Vocation is a concept of calling, not indentured servitude.

Problem is in this day and age those vacancies are fewer and farther 
between, and do not offer a substantial increase.


We have over 6000 units (congregations) of various sizes.  (Episcopal 
church is similar)


At present we have only just over 300 calling (seeking) 
vacancies.  We are going to fill approximately half those vacancies 
with a new crop of ministers this spring.


What that means is, no movement at all or limited.

We also are increasing the number of permanent vacancies each 
week.  These are being filled with part-time or semi retired 
ministers.  (Lots of guys need the added income in retirement to pay 
for the medical insurance.)


So that is why we had such a volatile conversation.  I have no where 
to go, so I must make this situation work!


That is part of what Vocation is about.  Working where you are and 
doing the best possible job you can.  No matter what.


Stewart

(Not looking for sympathy, just stating the way it is.)

At 01:17 PM 3/17/2010, you wrote:

Are these not both extremes? Wall Street banker vs fall guy. A while
back I was doing some IT work for an Episcopalian congregation. I
noticed that the higher ups were very much aware that the young,
energetic ministers would eventually get a better offer. I think that
was a good thing.


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Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

[tjpa]

On Mar 16, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
My wife and I had a very volatile discussion last night as she  
thinks it is unfair that I serve a group that does not see my worth  
or pay me accordingly and expect me to do all the work.


Wives are generally very good at telling the emperor he's having a  
wardrobe malfunction.


When we started calling them jobs instead of vocation we lost the  
concept of service.


Are these not both extremes? Wall Street banker vs fall guy. A while  
back I was doing some IT work for an Episcopalian congregation. I  
noticed that the higher ups were very much aware that the young,  
energetic ministers would eventually get a better offer. I think that  
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Re: [CGUYS] RIM on the Brink

[mike]

I've never been fond of motorola's blur interface...unless I could drop
Android back to the original home screens I think I'd clear from Moto
Android phones.  That is another good thing about Android, I've got four
very different interface skins I can run on top of Android at the moment.

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>
> The Androids look nice but I am still waiting for the Devour to premiere.
>
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[CGUYS] FreeHand [Was: Apple to charge $107 for iPad...]

[b_s-wilk]

Steve  escribió:


  My G3 Mac desktop still runs great, and most importantly to me, it
runs Freehand, an application that I just cannot really do without
unless I want to spend a lot of money.  Obsolete?  Definitely.
Useful?  Absolutely.  I think?  I think I share your affinity for
Freehand.


I like FreeHand. I used Illustrator on and off since Illustrator 88. I 
hate it. It appears to be written by coders who know nothing about 
illustration or drawing. FreeHand [Altsys, Aldus] used so many of the 
metaphors that those of us who actually draw for a living can relate to 
and use without a steep learning process. I used it for regular drawing 
and for basic mechanical drawing--very intuitive.


I only like the Mac version of FreeHand. When I worked at that unnamed 
Swiss company, only the top brass had their Macs, and a dedicated tech 
support person with very little to do. The rest of us were stuck with 
Windows, which is not artist friendly. FreeHand came out for Windows. I 
bought it for my PC. It was awful--almost unusable. Too many things that 
took one step in the Mac version, took 3 or 4 steps to get the same 
result in the Windows version for the supposedly identical program. I 
regularly took work home to do on my Mac, and made friends with one of 
the VPs who let me borrow his Mac at work.


Macromedia made FH for Mac worse for a few years, but FreeHand has 
always been a more versatile, user-friendly program than Illustrator. 
Adobe killed it because it competed with their inferior Illustrator. I 
have FH 10. It doesn't work well with Leopard.


My experience only--from working on tight deadlines in the dead of 
night, after working all day. So much great dead software replaced by 
L.C.D. software.



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Re: [CGUYS] RIM on the Brink

[Stewart Marshall]

From a few reviews they are all pretty customizable, the nice part 
of being android.


Stewart


At 11:29 AM 3/17/2010, you wrote:

I've never been fond of motorola's blur interface...unless I could drop
Android back to the original home screens I think I'd clear from Moto
Android phones.  That is another good thing about Android, I've got four
very different interface skins I can run on top of Android at the moment.

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>
> The Androids look nice but I am still waiting for the Devour to premiere.
>
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Re: [CGUYS] PDF creation application

[rleesimon]

It was all wp4 or 5 and lotus 123 ...ah the good old days of fartzin'around
with equations ...
Self employment has one advantage... (the only one)

-Original Message-
From: Wayne Dernoncourt [mailto:way...@panix.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 8:55 PM
To: rleesimon
Subject: RE: PDF creation application

rleesimon
> I loved wp... had such cool features ...like (of
> course in the late 1980s) could do "delete from
> here to end of sentence" which was a revelation
> back then...

My job rarely lets me pick what software I use for
some tasks... but I also preferred WP over Word,
Excel is pretty good though.


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Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Spoken like a true fan.

Only time will tell on that one Tom.

But with Apple releasing a new version every couple of years of 
course you wont replace the battery, you just upgrade to a new 
version each time.


Stewart

At 07:43 PM 3/15/2010, you wrote:

Because Apple found that a hard to access battery could be made much
larger, hence more battery life. They also found that the latest
battery technology could give them batteries that lasted much longer
than the typical life of the device. Hence very few people will
actually need to ever change the battery. I think the made a smart
choice.



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Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me

[rleesimon]

They want the $100 bucks regularly too... If the battery lasts 2 yrs, your
unit cost goes up by 20% to keep it longer!!

-Original Message-
From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:revsamarsh...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: noPad4me

There is another reason behind this.

Every manufacture is stuck with units that get returned, have minor 
problems and need fixes.  What do you do with all these refurbished 
items?  You can sell them on the secondary market, or you can recycle 
them by requiring units with dead batteries get returned and sending 
out refurbed units.

Just make sure you do a backup and remember what your settings are.

By not putting your refurbs on the secondary market you keep the 
price higher and control the market for your device.

Sounds just like Apple.

Stewart


At 07:24 PM 3/15/2010, you wrote:
>The apple offer to "replace" the ipad with another one if the battery
>doesn't hold a charge for $100 is a joke .so you get some refurb someone
>else slimed upon .why does everything else accommodate a battery change
that
>you can get from china via ebay for around $5 and apple needs to have their
>thing back and give you another one someone turned in.  It's a horrible
>idea!  Now, that ipad could have had an induction charge that would have
>lead to charge stations in your car's dashboard or airport waiting areas or
>starbukks .apple is not so ahead after all.is it?


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Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me

[mike]

When do these new batteries get into laptops?

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 5:43 PM, tjpa  wrote:

>
> Because Apple found that a hard to access battery could be made much
> larger, hence more battery life. They also found that the latest battery
> technology could give them batteries that lasted much longer than the
> typical life of the device. Hence very few people will actually need to ever
> change the battery. I think the made a smart choice.
>
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Re: [CGUYS] Apple to charge $107 for iPad battery replacement EarthLink - Technology News

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

I remember guiding people over the phone on how to replace CMOS 
batteries almost 2 decades ago.


Not for the faint hearted.  System had to be running or you lost you settings.

Stewart

At 07:54 PM 3/15/2010, you wrote:


 Someone decided that most computer users are not smart enough to
replace batteries.  They may be right!

  Steve



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Re: [CGUYS] Apple to charge $107 for iPad battery replacement EarthLink - Technology News

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

No you just do a lot of thinking, commendable.

Especially on this list.

Stewart


At 06:53 AM 3/17/2010, you wrote:

  Oops.  An extra "I think" in there.

  Steve



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Re: [CGUYS] Apple to charge $107 for iPad battery replacement EarthLink - Technology News

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:51 AM, phartz...@gmail.com
 wrote:

>  My G3 Mac desktop still runs great, and most importantly to me, it
> runs Freehand, an application that I just cannot really do without
> unless I want to spend a lot of money.  Obsolete?  Definitely.
> Useful?  Absolutely.  I think?  I think I share your affinity for
> Freehand.

  Oops.  An extra "I think" in there.

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple to charge $107 for iPad battery replacement EarthLink - Technology News

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 12:48 AM, b_s-wilk  wrote:

> My Mac SE [1987] still works. It runs PageMaker 2, maybe FreeHand,
> Illustrator, MacDraw, MacWrite, a few games; has a 20 MB HD, 4 MB RAM. Still
> works, not  useful. My mobile phone is smarter. All 6 of our old Macs work,
> but none earlier than G4s are useful on a regular basis.
>
> The Intel iMac [2007] runs Final Cut, Adobe/Macromedia suites, MS office,
> browsers, etc.--all at the same time. Has a 320 GB HD, 4 GB RAM. Very
> useful, but could use more memory. I expect it to be useful for another 3 or
> 4 years.

  My G3 Mac desktop still runs great, and most importantly to me, it
runs Freehand, an application that I just cannot really do without
unless I want to spend a lot of money.  Obsolete?  Definitely.
Useful?  Absolutely.  I think?  I think I share your affinity for
Freehand.

  Steve


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