Re: [CGUYS] DRM/DMCA Story
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Stewart Marshall < revsamarsh...@earthlink.net> wrote: > I don't think so, they did not pay near enough to congress to get > preferential treatment. No but the other bozos have money and they may see it as protecting themselves. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM/DMCA Story
Probably, but only if someone can afford a lawyer good enough to convince high-level judges. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Very interesting. Could this be a wedge to vacate many other nutty DRM restrictions? Like copying a DVD to my hard drive for viewing while traveling? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM/DMCA Story
I don't think so, they did not pay near enough to congress to get preferential treatment. Stewart At 11:05 AM 12/17/2009, you wrote: Very interesting. Could this be a wedge to vacate many other nutty DRM restrictions? Like copying a DVD to my hard drive for viewing while traveling? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM/DMCA Story
On Dec 17, 2009, at 7:39 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: Interesting story at ARS Technica about stupid companies (garage-door opener and Lexmark printers) trying to use DRM and/or DMCA to prevent competition. Very interesting. Could this be a wedge to vacate many other nutty DRM restrictions? Like copying a DVD to my hard drive for viewing while traveling? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] DRM/DMCA Story
Interesting story at ARS Technica about stupid companies (garage-door opener and Lexmark printers) trying to use DRM and/or DMCA to prevent competition. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/12/what-is-drm-doing-in-my- garage.ars What is DRM doing in my garage? My new garage door opener comes with both DRM and a DMCA warning: don't even think about using a third-party remote. But didn't a federal court already say this sort of behavior was illegal years ago? Ars investigates. Thank you, Mark Snyder * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
After a sufficient number of MPs have been sold... After the first one that should have been it. Seriously, that ain't musical. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
Well I wouldn't call you clueless, but. Lemme see if I have this straight...Apple has battled against DRM since day 1...*in the US* but across the sea they are battling *for* DRM? Maybe as Steve Jobs takes less of a role at Apple the MFB's will shake themselves out of his reality distortion field. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > >It could be argued it is now in Apple's interest to keep DRM. No DRM > means > >you don't need an ipod to play the music you buy from Apple, and Apple > isn't > >making money off the music that's for sure. > > Anything can be argued (as has already been proven here), but one would > have to be quite clueless to do so. > > Apple has battled against DRM since day 1 and they sure do make money > selling iTunes. Under like some other vendors, Apple does not rely on > coercion to make its sales. It never has and I think it never will. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
>It could be argued it is now in Apple's interest to keep DRM. No DRM means >you don't need an ipod to play the music you buy from Apple, and Apple isn't >making money off the music that's for sure. Anything can be argued (as has already been proven here), but one would have to be quite clueless to do so. Apple has battled against DRM since day 1 and they sure do make money selling iTunes. Under like some other vendors, Apple does not rely on coercion to make its sales. It never has and I think it never will. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
It could be argued it is now in Apple's interest to keep DRM. No DRM means you don't need an ipod to play the music you buy from Apple, and Apple isn't making money off the music that's for sure. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 10:15 AM, John Settle wrote: > mike wrote: > >> They are offering DRM-less mp3's >> because they had to. >> >> >> > Mike, > > I would at least give Apple the credit that DRM was a requirement of the > partnership with the music industry that gave the iTunes store access to the > music catalogs needed to make the venture viable way back when, 2001? Now > after years of labels slowly coming round, huge amounts of catalog are > available now without DRM. It just was never solely at Apples discretion > whether to have DRM or not. Sure, Apple could have insisted on no DRM from > the get go; but they would have had no where near the breath of content > offering and the iPod/iTunes revolution would have be quite different. > > John Settle > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
mike wrote: They are offering DRM-less mp3's because they had to. Mike, I would at least give Apple the credit that DRM was a requirement of the partnership with the music industry that gave the iTunes store access to the music catalogs needed to make the venture viable way back when, 2001? Now after years of labels slowly coming round, huge amounts of catalog are available now without DRM. It just was never solely at Apples discretion whether to have DRM or not. Sure, Apple could have insisted on no DRM from the get go; but they would have had no where near the breath of content offering and the iPod/iTunes revolution would have be quite different. John Settle * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:06:25 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote: >>Except that, as I recall it, the thread had *nothing* what so ever to >>do with Microsoft, Zunes, or MSs business practices. . .until you stuck >>it in there. You just can't help yourself, can you? > >I see, MS should only be spoken about in reverential tones. Maybe they >should rename the company YHWH? I'm glad you're beginning to see The Light. -- R:\katan - SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
Plays for sure and the Zune marketplace weren't anything close to what Apple is doing, except that they both involved mp3's. Apple isn't abandoning customers/clients who backed plays for sure and Apple isn't completely reworking it's online media stragedy. They are offering DRM-less mp3's because they had to. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > >Except that, as I recall it, the thread had *nothing* what so ever to > >do with Microsoft, Zunes, or MSs business practices. . .until you stuck > >it in there. You just can't help yourself, can you? > > I see, MS should only be spoken about in reverential tones. Maybe they > should rename the company YHWH? > > This thread is about DRM and how Apple would handle their DRM transition. > You will have to explain to us your objection to making a comparison with > how others have handled such a transition. The only comparable I could > think of was Plays for Sure. If you have other comparables, go ahead and > provide them. > > Of course I don't expect you will want to contribute to any proper > discussion of DRM. All you want to do is flame anyone who mentions MS and > prevent any intelligent discussion. I challenge you to prove me wrong. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
>So what happens when we crank up the word size to 24 bits, >increase the sampling frequency to 96 kHz, and send the PCM >signal to a high end DAC? Assuming an excellent recording >(and even with this technology it's possible to screw the pooch >on the engineering and mastering), we get a MUCH better >result. HD audio, in fact. Yes the file sizes are big, but not >that different from normal WAV files. And they work with >WMP and a decent DAC, so are more accessible than a >SACD device (and cheaper, too). The marketing strategy is to dribble out new technology as slowly as possible. After a sufficient number of MPs have been sold, we will see an aggressive marketing campaign to convince us that all our MS3s are crap and we have to go out and repurchase all our music in the new HD format. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
>Except that, as I recall it, the thread had *nothing* what so ever to >do with Microsoft, Zunes, or MSs business practices. . .until you stuck >it in there. You just can't help yourself, can you? I see, MS should only be spoken about in reverential tones. Maybe they should rename the company YHWH? This thread is about DRM and how Apple would handle their DRM transition. You will have to explain to us your objection to making a comparison with how others have handled such a transition. The only comparable I could think of was Plays for Sure. If you have other comparables, go ahead and provide them. Of course I don't expect you will want to contribute to any proper discussion of DRM. All you want to do is flame anyone who mentions MS and prevent any intelligent discussion. I challenge you to prove me wrong. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
Many of the pros and enthusiasts I know find even digital CD's painful to listen to. Some CDs are painful. Others sound really good on a good system, it's not necessarily the medium. The most important considerations are related to how the recording was engineered and mastered. All CDs are NOT created equal. The primary technical objections are that the dynamic range possible with a 16 bit word length (Red Book CD) is insufficient but with a well-engineered recording it's not the primary objection. CDs were designed to be a mid-fi consumer product that addressed the limitations of the LP, namely surface noise and dynamic range. In these respects they do what they were designed to do, and potentially can sound VERY good if well engineered and mastered. On good equipment. But the resolution of the typical player demands that the recording be compromised to fit into a set of parameters as defined by the typical player. This is certainly true of pop music just as it was for the LP. Normally that means making the softer parts louder and the louder parts softer. We aren't taking away bits like MP3, just limiting the dynamic range so it sounds acceptable on a mass market system. The mission here is mid-fi. Not always, a well recorded CD can sound fantastic dynamically. But most don't. Neither did most LPs. The more serious technical objection to CD is the sampling frequency. 44.1 kHz by the Nyquist-Shannon theorem should be sufficient. But many say it isn't. The real world isn't a theorem and there's a lot going on that isn't addressed by the theorem, like clock jitter. And the theorem assumes a perfect bitstream which NEVER happens, and perfect equipment, etc. So what happens when we crank up the word size to 24 bits, increase the sampling frequency to 96 kHz, and send the PCM signal to a high end DAC? Assuming an excellent recording (and even with this technology it's possible to screw the pooch on the engineering and mastering), we get a MUCH better result. HD audio, in fact. Yes the file sizes are big, but not that different from normal WAV files. And they work with WMP and a decent DAC, so are more accessible than a SACD device (and cheaper, too). An HD audio album in WAV format can be had for about $15 compared to $10 for a CD. That's reasonable. Some are DRMed, some aren't. Poke around, it's out there. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:03:14 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote: >>Ya see, Tom, this is why (almost) nobody takes you seriously. Only >>*you* can turn a discussion about iTunes into MS bashing. > >I was not bashing MS. I just stated how they handled a similar situation. >My post was one factual statement after another. If there was any MS >bashing involved it must have come from your interpretation of the facts. >You would be the basher not I. Except that, as I recall it, the thread had *nothing* what so ever to do with Microsoft, Zunes, or MSs business practices. . .until you stuck it in there. You just can't help yourself, can you? >What's wrong with you? Nothing. I'm fine. Thanks for asking. -- R:\katan - SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
You are like the the Fonz...'i was wrr...wrrr...wr'. Except not as cool. On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > >Tom's point was that there would be MORE loss then the original encoding > of > >the song by Apple or whomever. If you take a 320kbit data stream and put > it > >on a cdr uncompressed you've lost nothing. Then rip it with a lossless > >encoder (flac) then again, you've lost nothing. However you do take a hit > >with the file size. > > You are largely right. I had assumed that the music file was going to be > converted back into an MP3. That last conversion would have been where > most of the quality loss occurred. > > However... > > 1) There are some mechanical errors and computational rounding in the > process of converting the MP3 to a digital stream and writing the digital > file onto the CD. > > 2) There are mechanical and computational errors in the ripping process. > To avoid these you would want to buy a precision ripping program. I have > seen these, but at the moment can't remember a name. > > It is also a lot of work to save 30 cents. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
>Tom's point was that there would be MORE loss then the original encoding of >the song by Apple or whomever. If you take a 320kbit data stream and put it >on a cdr uncompressed you've lost nothing. Then rip it with a lossless >encoder (flac) then again, you've lost nothing. However you do take a hit >with the file size. You are largely right. I had assumed that the music file was going to be converted back into an MP3. That last conversion would have been where most of the quality loss occurred. However... 1) There are some mechanical errors and computational rounding in the process of converting the MP3 to a digital stream and writing the digital file onto the CD. 2) There are mechanical and computational errors in the ripping process. To avoid these you would want to buy a precision ripping program. I have seen these, but at the moment can't remember a name. It is also a lot of work to save 30 cents. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
mike wrote: Tom's point was that there would be MORE loss then the original encoding of the song by Apple or whomever. If you take a 320kbit data stream and put it on a cdr uncompressed you've lost nothing. Then rip it with a lossless encoder (flac) then again, you've lost nothing. However you do take a hit with the file size. Mike, Thank you for the clarification. I see your point. I do some recording of FM broadcasts from WPFW FM 89.3 in lossless format. I like the results but the file size is brutal. Usually convert to MP3 or Ogg to take it anywhere. John Settle * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
>Ya see, Tom, this is why (almost) nobody takes you seriously. Only >*you* can turn a discussion about iTunes into MS bashing. I was not bashing MS. I just stated how they handled a similar situation. My post was one factual statement after another. If there was any MS bashing involved it must have come from your interpretation of the facts. You would be the basher not I. I even wrote that Apple should have done the same. I wrote: "Apple is definitely doing the wrong thing..." What's wrong with you? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
Tom's point was that there would be MORE loss then the original encoding of the song by Apple or whomever. If you take a 320kbit data stream and put it on a cdr uncompressed you've lost nothing. Then rip it with a lossless encoder (flac) then again, you've lost nothing. However you do take a hit with the file size. On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 12:00 PM, John Settle wrote: > mike wrote: > >> You get the same quality you put in when you process the >> itunes music this way, nothing is lost. >> >> >> >> > Mike, > I can't agree with that statement. The MP3 format is a "lossy" compression > format so there is a loss in quality and actual data. What I will agree > with, is that for me and the way I enjoy music, the procedure gives a > perfectly acceptable result. I also enjoy music on FM radio broadcast. Many > of the pros and enthusiasts I know find even digital CD's painful to listen > to. > > > John Settle > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
um...no it's not. If I have an audio track at 320kbits...it will be burned at that rate, or rather at that quality. When it's ripped again, you can rip it FLAC and keep every bit of it. Now you end up with a larger file, but you haven't lost any quality. Even aside from that, there are tools galore on the web to strip the song without re-encoding it. On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > >Exactly, the people buying songs on itunes aren't exactly the true > >audioheads anyway. You get the same quality you put in when you process > the > >itunes music this way, nothing is lost. > > That is not true. The audio is going through 2 stages of lossy > compression. It comes out degraded. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > -- * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
mike wrote: You get the same quality you put in when you process the itunes music this way, nothing is lost. Mike, I can't agree with that statement. The MP3 format is a "lossy" compression format so there is a loss in quality and actual data. What I will agree with, is that for me and the way I enjoy music, the procedure gives a perfectly acceptable result. I also enjoy music on FM radio broadcast. Many of the pros and enthusiasts I know find even digital CD's painful to listen to. John Settle * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
>Exactly, the people buying songs on itunes aren't exactly the true >audioheads anyway. You get the same quality you put in when you process the >itunes music this way, nothing is lost. That is not true. The audio is going through 2 stages of lossy compression. It comes out degraded. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
Exactly, the people buying songs on itunes aren't exactly the true audioheads anyway. You get the same quality you put in when you process the itunes music this way, nothing is lost. On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:42 AM, John Settle wrote: > Tom Piwowar wrote: > >> Or you just use the cdr method to readjust your library :) >>> >>> >> >> Only if you don't mind a significant loss of music quality. >> >> >> >> >> >> > I suppose iTunes Store justifies the $0.30 charge by the increased audio > fidelity of the iTunes Plus file you wind up with. To my ex-audiophile ears, > the MP3 one winds up with from the CDR method is just fine. True audiophiles > turn their noses up at all digital formats anyway, analog vinyl for them or > nothin,! > > John Settle > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
Tom Piwowar wrote: Or you just use the cdr method to readjust your library :) Only if you don't mind a significant loss of music quality. I suppose iTunes Store justifies the $0.30 charge by the increased audio fidelity of the iTunes Plus file you wind up with. To my ex-audiophile ears, the MP3 one winds up with from the CDR method is just fine. True audiophiles turn their noses up at all digital formats anyway, analog vinyl for them or nothin,! John Settle * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
>From my experience with the list, WFB's too often think talking about birds of the Amazon is MS bashing. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Tom can turn a conversation about birds of the amazon into MS bashing. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
Tom can turn a conversation about birds of the amazon into MS bashing. On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Reid Katan wrote: > Quoting Tom Piwowar : > > The thing is, I don't have many (or even any) songs that would sell >>> for $1.29 if I bought them after the switch. The newest thing I have >>> >> >> The question to ask is: what would MS do? >> >> With the Zune store they abandoned all their previous customers so >> > > Ya see, Tom, this is why (almost) nobody takes you seriously. Only *you* > can turn a discussion about iTunes into MS bashing. > > Katan > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
You mean zero loss? On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > >Or you just use the cdr method to readjust your library :) > > Only if you don't mind a significant loss of music quality. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
Quoting Tom Piwowar : The thing is, I don't have many (or even any) songs that would sell for $1.29 if I bought them after the switch. The newest thing I have The question to ask is: what would MS do? With the Zune store they abandoned all their previous customers so Ya see, Tom, this is why (almost) nobody takes you seriously. Only *you* can turn a discussion about iTunes into MS bashing. Katan * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
>Or you just use the cdr method to readjust your library :) Only if you don't mind a significant loss of music quality. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
>The thing is, I don't have many (or even any) songs that would sell >for $1.29 if I bought them after the switch. The newest thing I have >is from '07, and quite a few from the 80s. I'm sure they would sell >for $.69. They should give me a credit! (-: The question to ask is: what would MS do? With the Zune store they abandoned all their previous customers so everything had to be bought anew. I recall reading about some DRM servers getting shut down. Eventually I expect all those DRM servers will be gone so those music files will be useless. Since MS is our model for all things wonderful I see that Apple is definitely doing the wrong thing. They should have announced iTunes II and the iTunes II Music store. How silly of them not to. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
Or you just use the cdr method to readjust your library :) Mike On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Reid Katan wrote: > Quoting John Duncan Yoyo : > > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Stephen Brownfield >> wrote: >> >> I was given the option of upgrading a number of my songs for $.30 each. >>> Some still aren't DRM free yet. >>> >> >> That should be what happens when Apple gets it's DRM free model going. I >> wonder if they will let you choose or will it be all or nothing. >> > > That's what I found (a $.30 upgrade for some of my tunes). I had the option > of "upgrading" about a dozen tunes (almost half of my bought-and-paid-for > iTunes). I didn't see an obvious way to pick and choose, but then I didn't > really look that hard. I'll probably just go ahead and upgrade. It won't > break the bank or anything, though I *would* like the choice which ones to > do. > > The thing is, I don't have many (or even any) songs that would sell for > $1.29 if I bought them after the switch. The newest thing I have is from > '07, and quite a few from the 80s. I'm sure they would sell for $.69. They > should give me a credit! (-: > > Katan > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
Quoting John Duncan Yoyo : On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Stephen Brownfield wrote: I was given the option of upgrading a number of my songs for $.30 each. Some still aren't DRM free yet. That should be what happens when Apple gets it's DRM free model going. I wonder if they will let you choose or will it be all or nothing. That's what I found (a $.30 upgrade for some of my tunes). I had the option of "upgrading" about a dozen tunes (almost half of my bought-and-paid-for iTunes). I didn't see an obvious way to pick and choose, but then I didn't really look that hard. I'll probably just go ahead and upgrade. It won't break the bank or anything, though I *would* like the choice which ones to do. The thing is, I don't have many (or even any) songs that would sell for $1.29 if I bought them after the switch. The newest thing I have is from '07, and quite a few from the 80s. I'm sure they would sell for $.69. They should give me a credit! (-: Katan * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Stephen Brownfield wrote: > I was given the option of upgrading a number of my songs for $.30 each. > Some still aren't DRM free yet. > That should be what happens when Apple gets it's DRM free model going. I wonder if they will let you choose or will it be all or nothing. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
I was given the option of upgrading a number of my songs for $.30 each. Some still aren't DRM free yet. John Settle wrote: katan wrote: I wonder how that'll work with tunes you already own. -- R:\katan Judging from the what I see at the iTunes Store with my collection, you get the bargain of buying your collection a second time, albeit at a discount. Maybe ransoming would be a better term. John Settle * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM
katan wrote: I wonder how that'll work with tunes you already own. -- R:\katan Judging from the what I see at the iTunes Store with my collection, you get the bargain of buying your collection a second time, albeit at a discount. Maybe ransoming would be a better term. John Settle * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:32:12 -0700, mike wrote: >Apple at long last just announced all songs will be DRM free...we'll see if >there are devils in the details when more comes out, but it looks like all >those who went other places to get drm free music might give itunes another >look. Maybe that's why Jobs looks so sick...sold his soul to the RIAA to >get drm stripped. I wonder how that'll work with tunes you already own. With iTunes Plus, you could "upgrade" for a nominal fee. They've also gone to a "three tiered" pricing. $.69, $.99, and $1.29. Depending on popularity, I guess. -- R:\katan - SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] DRM
Apple at long last just announced all songs will be DRM free...we'll see if there are devils in the details when more comes out, but it looks like all those who went other places to get drm free music might give itunes another look. Maybe that's why Jobs looks so sick...sold his soul to the RIAA to get drm stripped. Mike * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM Dead? Was: [Re: [CGUYS] List Future [Was: CGUYS.ORG & Footer Updated]]
Or go to Amazon and pay no premium for DRM-free tunes. Their entire library is DRM-free and is priced very competitively. > -Original Message- > On an exciting note Walmart's Music download page offers MP3 files for > an added $0.06 which rids us of that intrusive DRM. I found that my > Sansa would loose its DRM info if it was not hooked to the computer and > synced occasionally(once a month). All songs without DRM were > unaffected. I hope this is the end of DRM songs. The only question is, > will they let me pay $0.06 to remove the DRM from the songs I purchased > in the wma format? We can only hope. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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>On an exciting note Walmart's Music download page offers MP3 files for >an added $0.06 which rids us of that intrusive DRM... The only question is, >will they let me pay $0.06 to remove the DRM from the songs I purchased >in the wma format? We can only hope. Apple let customers "upgrade" for the difference in the price, but it was "all or nothing." That is, you had to upgrade your entire library at once. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] DRM Dead? Was: [Re: [CGUYS] List Future [Was: CGUYS.ORG & Footer Updated]]
On an exciting note Walmart's Music download page offers MP3 files for an added $0.06 which rids us of that intrusive DRM. I found that my Sansa would loose its DRM info if it was not hooked to the computer and synced occasionally(once a month). All songs without DRM were unaffected. I hope this is the end of DRM songs. The only question is, will they let me pay $0.06 to remove the DRM from the songs I purchased in the wma format? We can only hope. Mike Tom Piwowar wrote: broader issues of computer use (DCMA, Net Neutrality, etc.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
