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TPiwowar wrote: On Aug 20, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Jordan wrote: I think Google is doing the a good job of making its Groups, on-line apps, and other tools accessible and easy to use, but as the article suggests, control and security are difficult and complicated. Is that fair? The article says In other words, the security settings are there, they just have to be used. It is common for applications to have such security settings turned off by default because having them on by default would cause too many tech support calls. Point taken. But it must be difficult to create these apps, with so much access, and make them secure. And foolish for the managers of groups and file systems to not browse through all the settings to make them safe. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I think Google is doing the a good job of making its Groups, on-line apps, and other tools accessible and easy to use, but as the article suggests, control and security are difficult and complicated. And then there's the resisting the urge to become another evil corporation thing. TPiwowar wrote: Continuing its effort to differentiate its online applications from Microsoft Office though collaborative capabilities, Google (NSDQ: GOOG) on Tuesday made it possible to share calendars, documents, and sites among Google Groups members. Google Enables Document Sharing Among Groups http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/google/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=219400485 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 20, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Jordan wrote: I think Google is doing the a good job of making its Groups, on- line apps, and other tools accessible and easy to use, but as the article suggests, control and security are difficult and complicated. Is that fair? The article says In other words, the security settings are there, they just have to be used. It is common for applications to have such security settings turned off by default because having them on by default would cause too many tech support calls. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Continuing its effort to differentiate its online applications from Microsoft Office though collaborative capabilities, Google (NSDQ: GOOG) on Tuesday made it possible to share calendars, documents, and sites among Google Groups members. Google Enables Document Sharing Among Groups http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/google/showArticle.jhtml? articleID=219400485 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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What facts are you referring to? My post was an opinion. Having trouble telling the difference? 2009/8/10 TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com: On Aug 10, 2009, at 1:45 AM, Tony B wrote: This is a heck of a stretch though. While both Google and Yahoo Groups save old messages, and allow you to read them from a browser, comparing that experience to even the simplest free forums these days is like comparing a unicycle to a Corvette. Did you check your facts before posting? http://groups-beta.google.com/googlegroups/tour3/index.html I didn't think so. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Ahh! Thanks all. I should have thought of this. I've actually been on a couple of Yahoo groups. Good points Stewart. These are mostly low tech people. Gardeners and community organizers. Simple is better. I'm glad I don't have to digest those manuals. Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Depends on what you are doing. Some folks still prefer an email list. Others want an online discussion list. I have seen both. To do the discussion you must have web access and you must be online all the time. To do an email list it is much simpler for many folks who do not have the time to monitor the web 24/7. It depends on what he wants but one or the other should be suitable. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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No that is not it. I do not want to be looking on the web all the time I have work to do. When I am working, all I have to do is pop open my mail browser when I have mail, delete what I do not want, and then go back to what I am doing. I do not wan to be in a browser all the time answering stuff or replying it is a PIA. When I need an attachment for something I simply go the attachments directory and get it. I do not have to open a browser etc. etc. Maybe in the future it will be different but for now I prefer Email. Stewart At 12:50 AM 8/9/2009, you wrote: I'm sorry I misunderstood. So you have an older dial-up connection that's charged by the minute? Yes, that was the heyday of mailing lists. They were actually designed around that type of scenario. But since most everyone has unmetered connections, or always-on broadband these days, that reasoning makes little sense any longer. Besides, now that browsers are as fast as email clients, it no longer makes any sense for most of us to use anything else for email. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 8, 2009, at 11:12 PM, Tony B wrote: These days you do not want a mailing list; you want a web forum. Mailing lists are yesterday's news. Choice is good. Both the Yahoo and Google services provide both forms of access. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I'm sorry I misunderstood. So you have an older dial-up connection that's charged by the minute? Yes, that was the heyday of mailing lists. They were actually designed around that type of scenario. But since most everyone has unmetered connections, or always-on broadband these days, that reasoning makes little sense any longer. Besides, now that browsers are as fast as email clients, it no longer makes any sense for most of us to use anything else for email. What unmetered world do you live in? One Broadband ISP after another is starting to meter connections. Some are generous; others are getting downright stingy. Mailing lists work much better than browser-based forums in many ways. They're more available than forums since you can get email in more ways than an Internet connection. Email gives a bit of a buffer between posts and are less likely to get out of hand. Email is easier to sort than a forum where you have to wade through all of the posts instead of easily finding ones you want, using email filters. I like my Yahoo! Groups a lot--online AND in an email client. Browser based forums and chats are good for tech support, but otherwise, especially when they use proprietary formats, are best used sparingly, so we don't have to use three browsers at a time, or switch to another platform. Not all broadband is the same. The folks with the 10-15Gb connection are likely to dominate conversation compared to those with 1-2Gb, unless its a Q/A type forum instead of a discussion. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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At 11:54 PM 8/8/2009 -0400, you wrote: Huh? This is so far out of left field I just have to ask what you can possibly mean by it??? Why would anyone - admin, moderator, or member, need to be online all the time? And how could anyone without web access still use a mailing list? You can join Yahoo Groups by email, and receive all your msgs by email. I moderate several Yahoo groups, and rarely ever even go to the web site. The only things you can't do by email is edit posts or change the status of members. I don't use the web to real my email--I use Eudora with extensive filtering. It's much faster. Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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At 08:20 AM 8/9/2009 -0500, you wrote: No that is not it. I do not want to be looking on the web all the time I have work to do. When I am working, all I have to do is pop open my mail browser when I have mail, delete what I do not want, and then go back to what I am doing. I do not wan to be in a browser all the time answering stuff or replying it is a PIA. When I need an attachment for something I simply go the attachments directory and get it. I do not have to open a browser etc. etc. Maybe in the future it will be different but for now I prefer Email. Stewart Amen to that! Some email programs have ring tones that you can set for individuals. I don't even have to be sitting in front of the computer to hear if I've gotten a response from someone I've been waiting to hear from. My email is running at all times, minimized. Having the attachments in their own directory is something I rely upon heavily. Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I think when you boil it down, lists and digest have overlapping uses but in their strengths have advantages. A listserve is especially good for developing community as everyone sees everything unless they set up filters. Modern forums usually have the option of email notification when you post (or for other subject headings which interest you) and with that feature forums can be more efficient and directed than email lists. You don't have to open a browser/ go to the forum until you know there is something that interest you ... and the email link takes you directly there with one click. Forums can be easily filtered at the start in this way while with lists you are exposed to a lot of traffic (which can be considered good or bad) but for sure it is an ongoing process to deal with the traffic on lists ... even if you set up filters. But with many people using that feature forums, don't usually develop the sense of community that a list can. Does anyone know if there are any lists which are also concurrently set up as forums? ... seems like that might be possible. db b_s-wilk wrote: I'm sorry I misunderstood. So you have an older dial-up connection that's charged by the minute? Yes, that was the heyday of mailing lists. They were actually designed around that type of scenario. But since most everyone has unmetered connections, or always-on broadband these days, that reasoning makes little sense any longer. Besides, now that browsers are as fast as email clients, it no longer makes any sense for most of us to use anything else for email. What unmetered world do you live in? One Broadband ISP after another is starting to meter connections. Some are generous; others are getting downright stingy. Mailing lists work much better than browser-based forums in many ways. They're more available than forums since you can get email in more ways than an Internet connection. Email gives a bit of a buffer between posts and are less likely to get out of hand. Email is easier to sort than a forum where you have to wade through all of the posts instead of easily finding ones you want, using email filters. I like my Yahoo! Groups a lot--online AND in an email client. Browser based forums and chats are good for tech support, but otherwise, especially when they use proprietary formats, are best used sparingly, so we don't have to use three browsers at a time, or switch to another platform. Not all broadband is the same. The folks with the 10-15Gb connection are likely to dominate conversation compared to those with 1-2Gb, unless its a Q/A type forum instead of a discussion. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 9, 2009, at 3:51 PM, db wrote: Does anyone know if there are any lists which are also concurrently set up as forums? ... seems like that might be possible. Sigh. As I said earlier, this is the case with Google's and Yahoo's offerings. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I don't know if this is just for Tom or if others have an understanding of this but: I'm considering starting List for a local food group I'm involved with. I've started looking at some manuals from L-Soft and AOL, and they are voluminous. The LISTSERV list owners guide looks like it will tell me where one can be started and how to start one but do you have any suggestions of where, or anything else that might be helpful? Thanks. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 8, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Jordan wrote: I don't know if this is just for Tom or if others have an understanding of this but: I'm considering starting List for a local food group I'm involved with. I've started looking at some manuals from L-Soft and AOL, and they are voluminous. The LISTSERV list owners guide looks like it will tell me where one can be started and how to start one but do you have any suggestions of where, or anything else that might be helpful? STOP. Look at Google Groups or Yahoo Groups. Both very good and simple. Many more features too. These options were not available when this List started and we remain here through inertia. That is what I would do if I were starting today. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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yahoo On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know if this is just for Tom or if others have an understanding of this but: I'm considering starting List for a local food group I'm involved with. I've started looking at some manuals from L-Soft and AOL, and they are voluminous. The LISTSERV list owners guide looks like it will tell me where one can be started and how to start one but do you have any suggestions of where, or anything else that might be helpful? Thanks. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Agreed yahoogroups. Stewart At 06:40 PM 8/8/2009, you wrote: yahoo On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know if this is just for Tom or if others have an understanding of this but: I'm considering starting List for a local food group I'm involved with. I've started looking at some manuals from L-Soft and AOL, and they are voluminous. The LISTSERV list owners guide looks like it will tell me where one can be started and how to start one but do you have any suggestions of where, or anything else that might be helpful? Thanks. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 8, 2009, at 8:09 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Agreed yahoogroups. Look at both. They offer different services. Let you needs determine your choice. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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These days you do not want a mailing list; you want a web forum. Mailing lists are yesterday's news. 2009/8/8 Jordan jor17...@gmail.com: I don't know if this is just for Tom or if others have an understanding of this but: I'm considering starting List for a local food group I'm involved with. I've started looking at some manuals from L-Soft and AOL, and they are voluminous. The LISTSERV list owners guide looks like it will tell me where one can be started and how to start one but do you have any suggestions of where, or anything else that might be helpful? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Depends on what you are doing. Some folks still prefer an email list. Others want an online discussion list. I have seen both. To do the discussion you must have web access and you must be online all the time. To do an email list it is much simpler for many folks who do not have the time to monitor the web 24/7. It depends on what he wants but one or the other should be suitable. Stewart At 10:12 PM 8/8/2009, you wrote: These days you do not want a mailing list; you want a web forum. Mailing lists are yesterday's news. 2009/8/8 Jordan jor17...@gmail.com: I don't know if this is just for Tom or if others have an understanding of this but: I'm considering starting List for a local food group I'm involved with. I've started looking at some manuals from L-Soft and AOL, and they are voluminous. The LISTSERV list owners guide looks like it will tell me where one can be started and how to start one but do you have any suggestions of where, or anything else that might be helpful? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Huh? This is so far out of left field I just have to ask what you can possibly mean by it??? Why would anyone - admin, moderator, or member, need to be online all the time? And how could anyone without web access still use a mailing list? On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshallpopoz...@earthlink.net wrote: To do the discussion you must have web access and you must be online all the time. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The discussion lists I see, are all on line or the cloud. To follow it you need to be on line! With an email list, you download you email read the relevant posts, respond send and that is it. I prefer email. Does not tie me up to open the browser see what has transpired, and then respond. My wife does it with some of her discussion stuff. Would drive me crazy. Stewart At 10:54 PM 8/8/2009, you wrote: Huh? This is so far out of left field I just have to ask what you can possibly mean by it??? Why would anyone - admin, moderator, or member, need to be online all the time? And how could anyone without web access still use a mailing list? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I'm sorry I misunderstood. So you have an older dial-up connection that's charged by the minute? Yes, that was the heyday of mailing lists. They were actually designed around that type of scenario. But since most everyone has unmetered connections, or always-on broadband these days, that reasoning makes little sense any longer. Besides, now that browsers are as fast as email clients, it no longer makes any sense for most of us to use anything else for email. 2009/8/9 Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net: The discussion lists I see, are all on line or the cloud. To follow it you need to be on line! With an email list, you download you email read the relevant posts, respond send and that is it. I prefer email. Does not tie me up to open the browser see what has transpired, and then respond. My wife does it with some of her discussion stuff. Would drive me crazy. Stewart At 10:54 PM 8/8/2009, you wrote: Huh? This is so far out of left field I just have to ask what you can possibly mean by it??? Why would anyone - admin, moderator, or member, need to be online all the time? And how could anyone without web access still use a mailing list? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
