Re: [CGUYS] Ebay Scams..how do they do that?

[Tom Piwowar]

>no parsimonious lectures on not buying on ebay, or one gets what one pays 
>for, etc, please.  i have purchased thousands of items on ebay, and was 
>last burned in 2000 or 2002.

Sellers can reject bids. This is supposed to protect the seller from 
buyers with poor ratings. This may be what they are doing. Not a hack. 
Did you email the seller to ask what happened? I once had a seller do 
that to me by accident. We reconnected and I now own a very nice iBook.


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[CGUYS] Ebay Scams..how do they do that?

[gerald]

I do not understand how the listing part of the scam works.

An item is offered for BUY IT NOW price of say $5000.  item trades at say 
$7-8000.  item is sitting at bid price of couple hundred dollars.  not many 
bidders.

the seller seems completely legal.  has 98-100% favorable rating, 100-200 
responses to generate listing.  responses exist.  prior items sold exist.

if one bids say $1000, the bid disappears after a short time, and the couple 
hundred dollar bid reappears.

how do they hack the website to do that.
i have found these guys on golf carts, ATV's, heavy equipment, high end stereo 
and the like

Ebay does find them, and does delete them, but usually not for 3 or 4 days.

no parsimonious lectures on not buying on ebay, or one gets what one pays for, 
etc, please.  i have purchased thousands of items on ebay, and was last burned 
in 2000 or 2002.

regards

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Re: [CGUYS] ebay experiences

[Michael Lewis]

John DeCarlo sez:

>
>I would call them and talk to a human.  Tell them you think you were the
>victim of a phishing attack and to stop activity on your account until you
>confirm you can get back in.
>
>Don't rely on anything else, not email, nothing.
>
>And ask them to check for activity, you will almost certainly be
>unpleasantly surprised.
>

Yes.

Never, EVER answer email from eBay, PayPal, a bank, or any other
institution that you do business through. The majority of these places
have messages within their sites. Always log on through a secure
connection in your web browser -- using your own links and NOT the ones
provided in the email -- and see if there is a copy of the email you
received in your message box. 99% of the time, there will be none.

No legitimate (or even semi-legitimate) business will contact you
through email concerning account and other private information. You may
receive a notice asking you to log on and confirm things, but if so, you
do so through your own link and not any link provided in the email and
you should find a copy of the message in any messages their system has.
If there is no copy or there is no messaging system in the site, call
them and talk to a human if the request is bothering you. I just ignore
them if I log on and see everything is in order.

-- 
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Off Balance Productions
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Re: [CGUYS] ebay experiences

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

I am not quite that active, but I have never had Ebay ask me to 
change my password.  Are you a powerseller?


If paypal refunded your money ion 24hrs.  You have just experienced a 
modern miracle.


Honestly they found out something that made them very suspicious and 
wanted to distance themselves fast.  Feel lucky.


I tend to buy 4-5 times a month. (actually high bidder)

Stewart


At 11:44 AM 1/28/2008, you wrote:

I'm pretty certain that all the mucking about is being done by ebay.

after notify, i cannot get into my account with my password.

my inquires to ebay have indicated they changed the password.

maybe happens with fairly active accounts.  i buy (only buy) at 
least 200 and maybe bid seriously(am frequently the underbidder)on 
4-500 items a year.


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Re: [CGUYS] ebay experiences

[John DeCarlo]

On Jan 28, 2008 12:44 PM, gerald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm pretty certain that all the mucking about is being done by ebay.
>
> after notify, i cannot get into my account with my password.
>
> my inquires to ebay have indicated they changed the password.
>

I would call them and talk to a human.  Tell them you think you were the
victim of a phishing attack and to stop activity on your account until you
confirm you can get back in.

Don't rely on anything else, not email, nothing.

And ask them to check for activity, you will almost certainly be
unpleasantly surprised.

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Re: [CGUYS] ebay experiences

[Tom Piwowar]

Nope. They do not do that. You've been phished. Someone probably wanted 
your reputation because you buy a lot and have built up trust. They will 
now start buying lots of stuff with bad credit.

>I'm pretty certain that all the mucking about is being done by ebay.
>after notify, i cannot get into my account with my password.
>my inquires to ebay have indicated they changed the password.
>maybe happens with fairly active accounts.  i buy (only buy) at least 200 
>and maybe bid seriously(am frequently the underbidder)on 4-500 items a year.



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[CGUYS] ebay

[rlsimon]

they will never ask you to change your password ...you got stuck with a
phish ...no doubt about it ...change your ebay password periodically
...watch out for any other site for which you use the same password
...change them all ...cover your windows with black paper ...get in your bed
and pull the covers over your head!!



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Re: [CGUYS] ebay experiences

[db]

In my opinion, ebay is a great thing but the system is complex and in my 
opinion things get problematic too often. 

I don't buy there  unless I must because too often some aspect or 
another becomes messily time consuming for me.  I have been ripped off 
once and a few years ago, someone hacked and started using my account.  
In my last purchase, because of ebay's complex relationships with their 
vendors and different purchasing paths, their shopping cart software 
glitched in the process of my making an instant purchase from one vendor 
and my credit card was charged via Pay Pal for a second vendor's item 
that I only looked at ... who didn't even accept credit cards.  

Ebay and paypal straightened  up the problem and apologized ... said 
their engineers were looking at the problem ... but it consumed a lot of 
my time and attention to get thru that restitution process that involved 
ebay, their quasi, independent PayPal and two vendors.


I prefer to not subject  myself to such complexity but sometime ebay is 
the only place I can get an item so then I take the risk but knowing 
that the price will be good but the overhead can turn out to be costly.


db

Richard P. wrote:

If you Google the terms:
ebay password change notification
it will come up with a scam that sounds similar. You might want to 
verify directly with EBay that they are in fact the ones requesting 
your password change. You could maybe find out the reason behind the 
frequent change requests.


Richard P.

gerald wrote:

I'm pretty certain that all the mucking about is being done by ebay.

after notify, i cannot get into my account with my password.

my inquires to ebay have indicated they changed the password.

maybe happens with fairly active accounts.  i buy (only buy) at least 
200 and maybe bid seriously(am frequently the underbidder)on 4-500 
items a year.


At 11:40 AM 1/28/2008, you wrote:
 

You are almost certainly a recipient of phishing,
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[CGUYS] Fwd: Re: [CGUYS] ebay experiences

[chad evans wyatt]

Gerald -

You are recipient of a phishing exercise.  Notify
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" and change your password.



--- gerald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:44:12 -0500
> From: gerald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [CGUYS] ebay experiences
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> I'm pretty certain that all the mucking about is
> being done by ebay.
> 
> after notify, i cannot get into my account with my
> password.
> 
> my inquires to ebay have indicated they changed the
> password.
> 
> maybe happens with fairly active accounts.  i buy
> (only buy) at least 200 and maybe bid seriously(am
> frequently the underbidder)on 4-500 items a year.
> 
> At 11:40 AM 1/28/2008, you wrote:
> >You are almost certainly a recipient of phishing,
> >notify eBay, and change your password.
> >
> >
> >
> > 
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Re: [CGUYS] ebay experiences

[Richard P.]

If you Google the terms:
ebay password change notification
it will come up with a scam that sounds similar. You might want to 
verify directly with EBay that they are in fact the ones requesting your 
password change. You could maybe find out the reason behind the frequent 
change requests.


Richard P.

gerald wrote:

I'm pretty certain that all the mucking about is being done by ebay.

after notify, i cannot get into my account with my password.

my inquires to ebay have indicated they changed the password.

maybe happens with fairly active accounts.  i buy (only buy) at least 200 and 
maybe bid seriously(am frequently the underbidder)on 4-500 items a year.

At 11:40 AM 1/28/2008, you wrote:
  

You are almost certainly a recipient of phishing,
notify eBay, and change your password.







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Re: [CGUYS] ebay experiences

[gerald]

I'm pretty certain that all the mucking about is being done by ebay.

after notify, i cannot get into my account with my password.

my inquires to ebay have indicated they changed the password.

maybe happens with fairly active accounts.  i buy (only buy) at least 200 and 
maybe bid seriously(am frequently the underbidder)on 4-500 items a year.

At 11:40 AM 1/28/2008, you wrote:
>You are almost certainly a recipient of phishing,
>notify eBay, and change your password.
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Re: [CGUYS] ebay experiences

[chad evans wyatt]

You are almost certainly a recipient of phishing,
notify eBay, and change your password.



  

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Re: [CGUYS] ebay experiences

[John Duncan Yoyo]

Hmm I don't use ebay all that much but I have never had them ask me to
change my password in the 10 or so years I've used them.  Did you
click a link in that email?  You may have been pfished.

The other thing looks like a traditional bad seller be glad they caught on.


On Jan 28, 2008 10:05 AM, gerald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 1. my ebay password is very unstable.  as long as firefox holds it in memory, 
> it works.  if I try to enter it, it does not.
>
> 2. ebay sends me a notice about every 3 months stating that i must change my 
> password.
>
> 3.  i recently made a purchase of "final cut express 4" and got the following 
> message from ebay:
>
> The following is a notice from eBay Trust & Safety regarding:
>
> Item Number - 320209653865
>
> Item Title - FINAL CUT EXPRESS 4 HD VIDEO EDITING SOFTWARE NEW $199
>
> Our records show that you were a bidder or buyer of one or more of this 
> seller's items. We recently removed this seller's active listings and 
> suspended the seller's trading privileges. Due to privacy concerns we cannot 
> share further details about this seller.
>
> If the seller asks you to complete this transaction outside of eBay, we 
> strongly recommend that you do not proceed with the transaction. Transactions 
> for items listed on eBay but then completed off of the eBay platform are not 
> covered by buyer protection programs offered by eBay and can be highly 
> indicative of fraud. For more information on Offers to Buy or Sell Outside of 
> eBay, copy and past the following Help Page link into your browser: 
> http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/rfe-spam-non-ebay-sale.html.
>
> If you have already paid for this item but have not received it, you should 
> take all possible steps to receive reimbursement.
>
> 4.  this person had a positive rating of 98.5% on about 150 replies.
>
> 5.  i went to paypal for dispute resolution, and my payment was refunded in 
> one day???
>
> i have purchased probably a thousand items off of ebay.  somewhere around 7-8 
> years ago, someone stiffed me out of $50.  i have twice gotten merchandise 
> that was not quite up to snuff.
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[CGUYS] ebay experiences

[gerald]

1. my ebay password is very unstable.  as long as firefox holds it in memory, 
it works.  if I try to enter it, it does not.  

2. ebay sends me a notice about every 3 months stating that i must change my 
password.

3.  i recently made a purchase of "final cut express 4" and got the following 
message from ebay:

The following is a notice from eBay Trust & Safety regarding: 

Item Number - 320209653865 

Item Title - FINAL CUT EXPRESS 4 HD VIDEO EDITING SOFTWARE NEW $199

Our records show that you were a bidder or buyer of one or more of this 
seller's items. We recently removed this seller's active listings and suspended 
the seller's trading privileges. Due to privacy concerns we cannot share 
further details about this seller.

If the seller asks you to complete this transaction outside of eBay, we 
strongly recommend that you do not proceed with the transaction. Transactions 
for items listed on eBay but then completed off of the eBay platform are not 
covered by buyer protection programs offered by eBay and can be highly 
indicative of fraud. For more information on Offers to Buy or Sell Outside of 
eBay, copy and past the following Help Page link into your browser: 
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/rfe-spam-non-ebay-sale.html.
 

If you have already paid for this item but have not received it, you should 
take all possible steps to receive reimbursement. 

4.  this person had a positive rating of 98.5% on about 150 replies.

5.  i went to paypal for dispute resolution, and my payment was refunded in one 
day???

i have purchased probably a thousand items off of ebay.  somewhere around 7-8 
years ago, someone stiffed me out of $50.  i have twice gotten merchandise that 
was not quite up to snuff. 






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