Re: [CGUYS] bittorrent with Opera
>There are two parts to this question. "If I inadvertently download something that I do not have rights to, can I then be sued by the rights owner for redistributing?" This does not have a happy answer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] bittorrent with Opera
>Any time you go peer to peer sharing files over the Internet you have >left yourself open to anything. Any time you get out of bed "you have left yourself open to anything" and staying in bed is not all that safe either. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] bittorrent with Opera
On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 7:33 PM, Stephen Brownfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since Bittorrent is peer to peer file sharing, does using it make your > computer less secure? > There are two parts to this question. 1) Does this open up vulnerabilities like using Kazaa or other such proprietary file sharing systems have in the past? No. Bittorrent is an open standard and many have implemented it - you don't have to worry about the "owners" of the network installing spyware or the like, the way Kazaa did. 2) Is every file I download guaranteed to be absolutely safe? What? Are you kidding? Of course not. Any more than any other file you get off the internet with HTTP or FTP or any other protocol, whether peer-to-peer or client-server. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] bittorrent with Opera
I did put in that caveat. Plus remember many folks who start using a torrent client do not know the difference between good stuff and malware filled stuff they will see all this content available. I just got after my son today because he had it on the family computer. HE does not know the difference (Or does and is going after the other stuff) and I will not have it on the computer. Any time you go peer to peer sharing files over the Internet you have left yourself open to anything. Stewart At 07:02 PM 3/29/2008, you wrote: Not all torrents are created equal is more to the point. The torrent program is safe in and of itself, it's that the files you may download might be suspect. If you stick to legal torrents there will be no trouble, I've never seen a bad (virusmalwarespyware) legit torrent. There are too many users downloading them and there are usually forums or feedback for each torrent so if there are any issues it will come out in the feedback. When Apple finally added podcasts I'd hoped they would have created a bittorrent client from within the itunes app so that the bandwith for podcasts could be spread around to users..alas no such chance. If you look at a podcast like twit, they have a reported 200k in downloads a week I believe. That's a lot of bandwith. Mike On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] bittorrent with Opera
Not all torrents are created equal is more to the point. The torrent program is safe in and of itself, it's that the files you may download might be suspect. If you stick to legal torrents there will be no trouble, I've never seen a bad (virusmalwarespyware) legit torrent. There are too many users downloading them and there are usually forums or feedback for each torrent so if there are any issues it will come out in the feedback. When Apple finally added podcasts I'd hoped they would have created a bittorrent client from within the itunes app so that the bandwith for podcasts could be spread around to users..alas no such chance. If you look at a podcast like twit, they have a reported 200k in downloads a week I believe. That's a lot of bandwith. Mike On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Very! Not all torrent programs are the same and there is the > possibility of getting malware in a torrent download. > > Stewart > > > At 06:33 PM 3/29/2008, you wrote: > >Since Bittorrent is peer to peer file sharing, does using it make > >your computer less secure? > > Rev. Stewart A. Marshall > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Prince of Peace > Ozark, AL SL 82 > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] bittorrent with Opera
Very! Not all torrent programs are the same and there is the possibility of getting malware in a torrent download. Stewart At 06:33 PM 3/29/2008, you wrote: Since Bittorrent is peer to peer file sharing, does using it make your computer less secure? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] bittorrent with Opera
Since Bittorrent is peer to peer file sharing, does using it make your computer less secure? mike wrote: Bittorrent is peer to peer file sharing, it takes as long as it takes with the connected users in the swarm who are uploading. If the seeders, the people who are uploading are connected on dialup it will take forever, if they are on high speed then less. The time it takes to download can change drastically if just a few users join/leave the swarm. The idea is to share the bandwith. Imagine the ubuntu linux distribution, the bandwith they spend when all their users download the newest version, now you can use bittorrent to get the newest ubuntu, thus spreading the load to users. If opera didn't support it, the file wouldn't have downloaded. Mike On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I was intrigued with several earlier posts here, first about free movie downloads in public domain and then about bittorrent. So I decided to investigate. I found a web site that said that the web browser Opera supported bittorrent, so I went to a web site that had free downloads with bittorrent and tried to download one of them using Opera. Downloading started after a message from Opera that bittorrent required permitting uploading the same file once it was downloaded, then asked for permission, and asked for limits to upload & download speed -- I selected no limit. Didn't matter to me what the content of the bittorrent file was, just trying to see how it worked. The download began of a 105 MB bittorrent file with an expected download time of 7 hours. The estimate has changed, after about 15 minutes, to 3 hours. I am connected with Cox cable to the internet. Questions: Does Opera actually support bittorrent? If so, why such a long time to download? A 105 MB file would download in very much less time without bittorent. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] bittorrent with Opera
>Questions: Does Opera actually support bittorrent? If so, why such a >long time to download? A 105 MB file would download in very much less >time without bittorent. You are looking at it from the wrong direction. The purpose of Bittorrent is not to speed your download but to greatly reduce the load on the file server. It can sometimes speed your download, especially in situations where the original source of the file woes not have the capacity to effective serve a large or very popular file. Bittorrent is at its best with popular files because in this situation the number of places to get the file quickly increases. Bittorrent with an unpopular file is often very slow. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] bittorrent with Opera
It gets back to what I said a while back about torrent downloads speeds being limited to your upload speed. As Mike explained, you may occasionally come across a particularly fast uploader, but much more common is that you connect with a bunch of users like yourself, thus limiting your download speeds. Anyway, unless you're in a big hurry it doesn't matter. The sharing goes on in the background. Just leave it on overnight. > > Questions: Does Opera actually support bittorrent? If so, why such a > > long time to download? A 105 MB file would download in very much less > > time without bittorent. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] bittorrent with Opera
Bittorrent is peer to peer file sharing, it takes as long as it takes with the connected users in the swarm who are uploading. If the seeders, the people who are uploading are connected on dialup it will take forever, if they are on high speed then less. The time it takes to download can change drastically if just a few users join/leave the swarm. The idea is to share the bandwith. Imagine the ubuntu linux distribution, the bandwith they spend when all their users download the newest version, now you can use bittorrent to get the newest ubuntu, thus spreading the load to users. If opera didn't support it, the file wouldn't have downloaded. Mike On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was intrigued with several earlier posts here, first about free movie > downloads in public domain and then about bittorrent. So I decided to > investigate. > > I found a web site that said that the web browser Opera supported > bittorrent, so I went to a web site that had free downloads with > bittorrent and tried to download one of them using Opera. Downloading > started after a message from Opera that bittorrent required permitting > uploading the same file once it was downloaded, then asked for > permission, and asked for limits to upload & download speed -- I > selected no limit. Didn't matter to me what the content of the > bittorrent file was, just trying to see how it worked. The download > began of a 105 MB bittorrent file with an expected download time of 7 > hours. The estimate has changed, after about 15 minutes, to 3 hours. > > I am connected with Cox cable to the internet. > > Questions: Does Opera actually support bittorrent? If so, why such a > long time to download? A 105 MB file would download in very much less > time without bittorent. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
