RE: [VOTE] Select a name to possibly replace Apache Connectors Framework
Ayvitraya -- George -Original Message- From: Karl Wright [mailto:daddy...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 5:29 PM To: connectors-dev Subject: [VOTE] Select a name to possibly replace Apache Connectors Framework Folks, Grant feels we would have a better chance of graduating from incubation without changes if we adopt a new name. There will thus be two votes. First vote is designed to arrive at a name, and the second vote will be on whether to use that highest-point name instead of Apache Connectors Framework. Because the list is quite long this time, please select your favorite 8 choices, in order of preference. If you submit duplicate choices, only the first of each duplicate will be counted, and the others will receive zero points. So it is in your interest to not select any duplicates. All of these choices have been already screened to fulfill specific criteria, such as avoidance of trademarks or heavily used words. The list of candidates is: Ayvitraya Conex Connex Connie Connx Contango Conton Contor Contour Conx Heterolink Heterosource Heteroweb Manicon ManifoldCF Manifolio Manilink Maniplex Manisource Maniweb Multicon Multiconnect Multiconnex Ralph Reconto RepoMan Repositor Recon Reconex Reconn Reconnex Reconnx Reconx Let the voting begin! Karl
Re: [VOTE] Select a name to possibly replace Apache Connectors Framework
Reminder: six hours to go. (Jack, I still haven't seen your vote...) Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:53 AM, George Aroush geo...@aroush.net wrote: Ayvitraya -- George -Original Message- From: Karl Wright [mailto:daddy...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 5:29 PM To: connectors-dev Subject: [VOTE] Select a name to possibly replace Apache Connectors Framework Folks, Grant feels we would have a better chance of graduating from incubation without changes if we adopt a new name. There will thus be two votes. First vote is designed to arrive at a name, and the second vote will be on whether to use that highest-point name instead of Apache Connectors Framework. Because the list is quite long this time, please select your favorite 8 choices, in order of preference. If you submit duplicate choices, only the first of each duplicate will be counted, and the others will receive zero points. So it is in your interest to not select any duplicates. All of these choices have been already screened to fulfill specific criteria, such as avoidance of trademarks or heavily used words. The list of candidates is: Ayvitraya Conex Connex Connie Connx Contango Conton Contor Contour Conx Heterolink Heterosource Heteroweb Manicon ManifoldCF Manifolio Manilink Maniplex Manisource Maniweb Multicon Multiconnect Multiconnex Ralph Reconto RepoMan Repositor Recon Reconex Reconn Reconnex Reconnx Reconx Let the voting begin! Karl
Re: [VOTE] Select a name to possibly replace Apache Connectors Framework
1.ManifoldCF 2.Connex -Mark On 9/28/10 4:44 PM, Jack Krupansky wrote: My votes: Connex Connie Contango Contour Manicon Multicon Ralph Repositor (In alpha order, no preference implied.) -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:03 AM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Select a name to possibly replace Apache Connectors Framework Reminder: six hours to go. (Jack, I still haven't seen your vote...) Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:53 AM, George Aroush geo...@aroush.net wrote: Ayvitraya -- George -Original Message- From: Karl Wright [mailto:daddy...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 5:29 PM To: connectors-dev Subject: [VOTE] Select a name to possibly replace Apache Connectors Framework Folks, Grant feels we would have a better chance of graduating from incubation without changes if we adopt a new name. There will thus be two votes. First vote is designed to arrive at a name, and the second vote will be on whether to use that highest-point name instead of Apache Connectors Framework. Because the list is quite long this time, please select your favorite 8 choices, in order of preference. If you submit duplicate choices, only the first of each duplicate will be counted, and the others will receive zero points. So it is in your interest to not select any duplicates. All of these choices have been already screened to fulfill specific criteria, such as avoidance of trademarks or heavily used words. The list of candidates is: Ayvitraya Conex Connex Connie Connx Contango Conton Contor Contour Conx Heterolink Heterosource Heteroweb Manicon ManifoldCF Manifolio Manilink Maniplex Manisource Maniweb Multicon Multiconnect Multiconnex Ralph Reconto RepoMan Repositor Recon Reconex Reconn Reconnex Reconnx Reconx Let the voting begin! Karl
Re: [VOTE] Select a name to possibly replace Apache Connectors Framework
Jack, can you put these in order of preference? If you don't, I suppose I can give each of your votes 36/8 points, or 4.5. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: My votes: Connex Connie Contango Contour Manicon Multicon Ralph Repositor (In alpha order, no preference implied.) -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:03 AM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Select a name to possibly replace Apache Connectors Framework Reminder: six hours to go. (Jack, I still haven't seen your vote...) Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:53 AM, George Aroush geo...@aroush.net wrote: Ayvitraya -- George -Original Message- From: Karl Wright [mailto:daddy...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 5:29 PM To: connectors-dev Subject: [VOTE] Select a name to possibly replace Apache Connectors Framework Folks, Grant feels we would have a better chance of graduating from incubation without changes if we adopt a new name. There will thus be two votes. First vote is designed to arrive at a name, and the second vote will be on whether to use that highest-point name instead of Apache Connectors Framework. Because the list is quite long this time, please select your favorite 8 choices, in order of preference. If you submit duplicate choices, only the first of each duplicate will be counted, and the others will receive zero points. So it is in your interest to not select any duplicates. All of these choices have been already screened to fulfill specific criteria, such as avoidance of trademarks or heavily used words. The list of candidates is: Ayvitraya Conex Connex Connie Connx Contango Conton Contor Contour Conx Heterolink Heterosource Heteroweb Manicon ManifoldCF Manifolio Manilink Maniplex Manisource Maniweb Multicon Multiconnect Multiconnex Ralph Reconto RepoMan Repositor Recon Reconex Reconn Reconnex Reconnx Reconx Let the voting begin! Karl
Re: [VOTE] Select a name to possibly replace Apache Connectors Framework
Hey, turns out it didn't even matter ;-) Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: Oops, sorry, I didn't realize priority was included. Here they are: Connex Contango Repositor Connie Contour Manicon Multicon Ralph -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:45 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Select a name to possibly replace Apache Connectors Framework Jack, can you put these in order of preference? If you don't, I suppose I can give each of your votes 36/8 points, or 4.5. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: My votes: Connex Connie Contango Contour Manicon Multicon Ralph Repositor (In alpha order, no preference implied.) -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:03 AM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Select a name to possibly replace Apache Connectors Framework Reminder: six hours to go. (Jack, I still haven't seen your vote...) Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:53 AM, George Aroush geo...@aroush.net wrote: Ayvitraya -- George -Original Message- From: Karl Wright [mailto:daddy...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 5:29 PM To: connectors-dev Subject: [VOTE] Select a name to possibly replace Apache Connectors Framework Folks, Grant feels we would have a better chance of graduating from incubation without changes if we adopt a new name. There will thus be two votes. First vote is designed to arrive at a name, and the second vote will be on whether to use that highest-point name instead of Apache Connectors Framework. Because the list is quite long this time, please select your favorite 8 choices, in order of preference. If you submit duplicate choices, only the first of each duplicate will be counted, and the others will receive zero points. So it is in your interest to not select any duplicates. All of these choices have been already screened to fulfill specific criteria, such as avoidance of trademarks or heavily used words. The list of candidates is: Ayvitraya Conex Connex Connie Connx Contango Conton Contor Contour Conx Heterolink Heterosource Heteroweb Manicon ManifoldCF Manifolio Manilink Maniplex Manisource Maniweb Multicon Multiconnect Multiconnex Ralph Reconto RepoMan Repositor Recon Reconex Reconn Reconnex Reconnx Reconx Let the voting begin! Karl
[VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to Connex
Vote +1 if you want to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Connex, -1 if you want to keep Connectors Framework as the Apache name. This voting opportunity will expire at the end of the working day on Friday, EDT. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to Connex
On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 17:58 -0400, Karl Wright wrote: Vote +1 if you want to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Connex, -1 if you want to keep Connectors Framework as the Apache name. This voting opportunity will expire at the end of the working day on Friday, EDT. This is good so far, but I'd suggest to slow up. We should now check out the suitability of the name. My association of the word is a (now defunct) rail company serving the south of England, so no conflict there. But, googling for connex software gives me a few options. It is almost as if there are so many connex this and connex that, that it doesn't matter if we use it too. Let's explore whether there are conflicts, and only then, vote on it. Upayavira (just lurking here in case he can help a bit)
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to Connex
The names were supposed to have been vetted by those submitting them? That was part of the submission rules. Ok, let me go do some research on Connex myself... Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: +1 to rename So, (assuming the vote succeeds for rename) the official Apache name would be Apache Connex, the full name in documentation and promotion would be [the] Apache Connex Connectors Framework, in common use we would say Connex (including email and doc after the initial full reference), the package name would be connex, the class name prefix would be Connex, and the subdomain name would be http://connex.apache.org. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:58 PM To: connectors-dev connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to Connex Vote +1 if you want to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Connex, -1 if you want to keep Connectors Framework as the Apache name. This voting opportunity will expire at the end of the working day on Friday, EDT. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to Connex
It looks like there is a service mark HMS Connex. That's probably not a problem. BUT: ConneX is a pure p2p collaboration platform based on JXTA technologie. Open source, and available for download from SourceForge. For me, that pretty much nixes use of the name. Let me recalculate the totals with Jack's actual preferences and come up with the second choice, which I hope was vetted more carefully than this one. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: The names were supposed to have been vetted by those submitting them? That was part of the submission rules. Ok, let me go do some research on Connex myself... Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: +1 to rename So, (assuming the vote succeeds for rename) the official Apache name would be Apache Connex, the full name in documentation and promotion would be [the] Apache Connex Connectors Framework, in common use we would say Connex (including email and doc after the initial full reference), the package name would be connex, the class name prefix would be Connex, and the subdomain name would be http://connex.apache.org. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:58 PM To: connectors-dev connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to Connex Vote +1 if you want to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Connex, -1 if you want to keep Connectors Framework as the Apache name. This voting opportunity will expire at the end of the working day on Friday, EDT. Karl
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Select a name to possibly replace Apache Connectors Framework
With Jack's preference order specified, these are the numbers: Connex, 36 ManifoldCF, 23 Manicon, 19 Maniplex, 16 Contango, 12 Ayvitraya, 11 Contour, 10 Manilink, 10 Connie, 10 Ralph, 9 Recon, 7 Repositor, 6 Multicon, 3 Conton, 3 Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: If Jack does not order his vote by preference, here's the breakdown: Connex, 32.5 ManifoldCF, 23 Manicon, 20.5 Maniplex, 16 Ralph, 12.5 Ayvitraya, 11 Contour, 10.5 Manilink, 10 Connie, 9.5 Contango, 9.5 Recon, 7 Multicon, 5.5 Repositor, 4.5 Conton, 3 ... which means that I don't think it even matters what Jack does, Connex wins. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to Connex
So, my official vote is -1. The name shouldn't have been a candidate from the start. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like there is a service mark HMS Connex. That's probably not a problem. BUT: ConneX is a pure p2p collaboration platform based on JXTA technologie. Open source, and available for download from SourceForge. For me, that pretty much nixes use of the name. Let me recalculate the totals with Jack's actual preferences and come up with the second choice, which I hope was vetted more carefully than this one. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: The names were supposed to have been vetted by those submitting them? That was part of the submission rules. Ok, let me go do some research on Connex myself... Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: +1 to rename So, (assuming the vote succeeds for rename) the official Apache name would be Apache Connex, the full name in documentation and promotion would be [the] Apache Connex Connectors Framework, in common use we would say Connex (including email and doc after the initial full reference), the package name would be connex, the class name prefix would be Connex, and the subdomain name would be http://connex.apache.org. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:58 PM To: connectors-dev connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to Connex Vote +1 if you want to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Connex, -1 if you want to keep Connectors Framework as the Apache name. This voting opportunity will expire at the end of the working day on Friday, EDT. Karl
[VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to retain Connex, if that wins its vote. This vote also expires end of day on Friday. Note: Manifold is a trademark for a GIS software product. However, I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote is not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the suitability of the name in a legal context. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
hmmm...I think I'm all voted out. Can we just call it nothing? On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to retain Connex, if that wins its vote. This vote also expires end of day on Friday. Note: Manifold is a trademark for a GIS software product. However, I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote is not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the suitability of the name in a legal context. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
Jack, That's one of the main purposes of having everyone list choices by priority. If one doesn't work, there are others you can use. I don't want to open that vote again unless the community decides that the list of candidate names was simply not rich enough to furnish a good choice. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: Or Nocon or Noman. I know people are tired of voting, but I think we should really re-vote for the revised candidate list with Connex removed. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:43 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF hmmm...I think I'm all voted out. Can we just call it nothing? On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to retain Connex, if that wins its vote. This vote also expires end of day on Friday. Note: Manifold is a trademark for a GIS software product. However, I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote is not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the suitability of the name in a legal context. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
Fair enough. I could live with any of the other choices, but having this CF suffix really messes a lot of stuff up and is less practical than any of the other names. Basically, it means we may end up having to use MCF as the shorthand name. Wait... stop the presses... I just realized that ManifoldCF violates selection rule #5: (5) No more than 4 syllables Man-I-fold-C-F (or is in Ma-ni-fold-C-F.) That's five syllables. And, technically, I would say that it at least half violates the spirit of rule #1: (1) It's a single word It is a single word plus this extra CF acronym thing. So, next candidate on the list was... Manicon, 19 Unless it has legal problems, it fits our requirements. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:52 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Jack, That's one of the main purposes of having everyone list choices by priority. If one doesn't work, there are others you can use. I don't want to open that vote again unless the community decides that the list of candidate names was simply not rich enough to furnish a good choice. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: Or Nocon or Noman. I know people are tired of voting, but I think we should really re-vote for the revised candidate list with Connex removed. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:43 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF hmmm...I think I'm all voted out. Can we just call it nothing? On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to retain Connex, if that wins its vote. This vote also expires end of day on Friday. Note: Manifold is a trademark for a GIS software product. However, I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote is not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the suitability of the name in a legal context. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
You are correct about the rules. I added that name back in when we replaced the original vote for it with the name gathering exercise and then a vote, and I did not make it clear what I was doing. But then we still have to hold a vote on ManifoldCF, since that vote was aborted, and Grant did propose it as a name. Let me think about the proper way to handle this... Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: Fair enough. I could live with any of the other choices, but having this CF suffix really messes a lot of stuff up and is less practical than any of the other names. Basically, it means we may end up having to use MCF as the shorthand name. Wait... stop the presses... I just realized that ManifoldCF violates selection rule #5: (5) No more than 4 syllables Man-I-fold-C-F (or is in Ma-ni-fold-C-F.) That's five syllables. And, technically, I would say that it at least half violates the spirit of rule #1: (1) It's a single word It is a single word plus this extra CF acronym thing. So, next candidate on the list was... Manicon, 19 Unless it has legal problems, it fits our requirements. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:52 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Jack, That's one of the main purposes of having everyone list choices by priority. If one doesn't work, there are others you can use. I don't want to open that vote again unless the community decides that the list of candidate names was simply not rich enough to furnish a good choice. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: Or Nocon or Noman. I know people are tired of voting, but I think we should really re-vote for the revised candidate list with Connex removed. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:43 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF hmmm...I think I'm all voted out. Can we just call it nothing? On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to retain Connex, if that wins its vote. This vote also expires end of day on Friday. Note: Manifold is a trademark for a GIS software product. However, I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote is not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the suitability of the name in a legal context. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
Karl, you are the de facto naming czar. You get to take the community input and figure out how to interpret it so that it so that it reflects a general sense of the spirit of the community. So, now you get to rule on my objections to ManifoldCF! And the chips can fall where they may. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:46 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF I'm tempted. Apache Nothing has a nice ring to it. ;-) Maybe we should just give up with the voting and appoint a Naming Czar. Seriously. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com wrote: hmmm...I think I'm all voted out. Can we just call it nothing? On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to retain Connex, if that wins its vote. This vote also expires end of day on Friday. Note: Manifold is a trademark for a GIS software product. However, I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote is not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the suitability of the name in a legal context. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
On 9/28/10 7:10 PM, Jack Krupansky wrote: Fair enough. I could live with any of the other choices, but having this CF suffix really messes a lot of stuff up and is less practical than any of the other names. Basically, it means we may end up having to use MCF as the shorthand name. Wait... stop the presses... I just realized that ManifoldCF violates selection rule #5: (5) No more than 4 syllables Man-I-fold-C-F (or is in Ma-ni-fold-C-F.) That's five syllables. ManifoldCF was already in the running. And its obvious that having too many syllables is not a problem - it was the second most voted name - for the *second* time at least (who can track all these votes). And, technically, I would say that it at least half violates the spirit of rule #1: (1) It's a single word It is a single word plus this extra CF acronym thing. That's a stretch that the rational part of my brain is going to ignore. This is no argument. So, next candidate on the list was... Manicon, 19 Unless it has legal problems, it fits our requirements. Okay, lets vote again. For some reason ManifoldCF will stop topping the list why? Everyone will come to their senses? Some of us are so sick of this name thing we won't vote, and if your lucky those will be the ManifoldCF supporters? I mean come on... -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:52 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Jack, That's one of the main purposes of having everyone list choices by priority. If one doesn't work, there are others you can use. I don't want to open that vote again unless the community decides that the list of candidate names was simply not rich enough to furnish a good choice. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: Or Nocon or Noman. I know people are tired of voting, but I think we should really re-vote for the revised candidate list with Connex removed. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:43 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF hmmm...I think I'm all voted out. Can we just call it nothing? On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to retain Connex, if that wins its vote. This vote also expires end of day on Friday. Note: Manifold is a trademark for a GIS software product. However, I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote is not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the suitability of the name in a legal context. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
Ok, I just want an up-or-down vote on ManifoldCF at this point. +1 from me. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/28/10 7:10 PM, Jack Krupansky wrote: Fair enough. I could live with any of the other choices, but having this CF suffix really messes a lot of stuff up and is less practical than any of the other names. Basically, it means we may end up having to use MCF as the shorthand name. Wait... stop the presses... I just realized that ManifoldCF violates selection rule #5: (5) No more than 4 syllables Man-I-fold-C-F (or is in Ma-ni-fold-C-F.) That's five syllables. ManifoldCF was already in the running. And its obvious that having too many syllables is not a problem - it was the second most voted name - for the *second* time at least (who can track all these votes). And, technically, I would say that it at least half violates the spirit of rule #1: (1) It's a single word It is a single word plus this extra CF acronym thing. That's a stretch that the rational part of my brain is going to ignore. This is no argument. So, next candidate on the list was... Manicon, 19 Unless it has legal problems, it fits our requirements. Okay, lets vote again. For some reason ManifoldCF will stop topping the list why? Everyone will come to their senses? Some of us are so sick of this name thing we won't vote, and if your lucky those will be the ManifoldCF supporters? I mean come on... -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:52 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Jack, That's one of the main purposes of having everyone list choices by priority. If one doesn't work, there are others you can use. I don't want to open that vote again unless the community decides that the list of candidate names was simply not rich enough to furnish a good choice. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: Or Nocon or Noman. I know people are tired of voting, but I think we should really re-vote for the revised candidate list with Connex removed. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:43 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF hmmm...I think I'm all voted out. Can we just call it nothing? On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to retain Connex, if that wins its vote. This vote also expires end of day on Friday. Note: Manifold is a trademark for a GIS software product. However, I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote is not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the suitability of the name in a legal context. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
-1 for me. Standing alone it's an okay name, but trying to actually use it is a pain (and we might as well call it MCF). But I'll certainly go along with the majority. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:25 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Ok, I just want an up-or-down vote on ManifoldCF at this point. +1 from me. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/28/10 7:10 PM, Jack Krupansky wrote: Fair enough. I could live with any of the other choices, but having this CF suffix really messes a lot of stuff up and is less practical than any of the other names. Basically, it means we may end up having to use MCF as the shorthand name. Wait... stop the presses... I just realized that ManifoldCF violates selection rule #5: (5) No more than 4 syllables Man-I-fold-C-F (or is in Ma-ni-fold-C-F.) That's five syllables. ManifoldCF was already in the running. And its obvious that having too many syllables is not a problem - it was the second most voted name - for the *second* time at least (who can track all these votes). And, technically, I would say that it at least half violates the spirit of rule #1: (1) It's a single word It is a single word plus this extra CF acronym thing. That's a stretch that the rational part of my brain is going to ignore. This is no argument. So, next candidate on the list was... Manicon, 19 Unless it has legal problems, it fits our requirements. Okay, lets vote again. For some reason ManifoldCF will stop topping the list why? Everyone will come to their senses? Some of us are so sick of this name thing we won't vote, and if your lucky those will be the ManifoldCF supporters? I mean come on... -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:52 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Jack, That's one of the main purposes of having everyone list choices by priority. If one doesn't work, there are others you can use. I don't want to open that vote again unless the community decides that the list of candidate names was simply not rich enough to furnish a good choice. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: Or Nocon or Noman. I know people are tired of voting, but I think we should really re-vote for the revised candidate list with Connex removed. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:43 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF hmmm...I think I'm all voted out. Can we just call it nothing? On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to retain Connex, if that wins its vote. This vote also expires end of day on Friday. Note: Manifold is a trademark for a GIS software product. However, I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote is not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the suitability of the name in a legal context. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
If this is adopted, I'm thinking we could use it in the following ways: Abbreviation: MCF Short name: ManifoldCF Qualified short name: Apache ManifoldCF Fully qualified and unabbreviated name: the Apache Manifold Connectors Framework I'm not quite sure what the world will think of that last usage, since it does not contain the trademark. Then again, neither does the abbreviation. But I'm not sure I'd dare make the book title be Apache Manifold Connectors Framework in Action. It would probably need to be Apache ManifoldCF in Action, or just ManifoldCF in Action. Grant, you wrote a book. What do you think? Which title should be used? Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: -1 for me. Standing alone it's an okay name, but trying to actually use it is a pain (and we might as well call it MCF). But I'll certainly go along with the majority. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:25 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Ok, I just want an up-or-down vote on ManifoldCF at this point. +1 from me. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/28/10 7:10 PM, Jack Krupansky wrote: Fair enough. I could live with any of the other choices, but having this CF suffix really messes a lot of stuff up and is less practical than any of the other names. Basically, it means we may end up having to use MCF as the shorthand name. Wait... stop the presses... I just realized that ManifoldCF violates selection rule #5: (5) No more than 4 syllables Man-I-fold-C-F (or is in Ma-ni-fold-C-F.) That's five syllables. ManifoldCF was already in the running. And its obvious that having too many syllables is not a problem - it was the second most voted name - for the *second* time at least (who can track all these votes). And, technically, I would say that it at least half violates the spirit of rule #1: (1) It's a single word It is a single word plus this extra CF acronym thing. That's a stretch that the rational part of my brain is going to ignore. This is no argument. So, next candidate on the list was... Manicon, 19 Unless it has legal problems, it fits our requirements. Okay, lets vote again. For some reason ManifoldCF will stop topping the list why? Everyone will come to their senses? Some of us are so sick of this name thing we won't vote, and if your lucky those will be the ManifoldCF supporters? I mean come on... -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:52 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Jack, That's one of the main purposes of having everyone list choices by priority. If one doesn't work, there are others you can use. I don't want to open that vote again unless the community decides that the list of candidate names was simply not rich enough to furnish a good choice. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: Or Nocon or Noman. I know people are tired of voting, but I think we should really re-vote for the revised candidate list with Connex removed. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:43 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF hmmm...I think I'm all voted out. Can we just call it nothing? On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to retain Connex, if that wins its vote. This vote also expires end of day on Friday. Note: Manifold is a trademark for a GIS software product. However, I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote is not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the suitability of the name in a legal context. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
Actually, an abbreviation of AMCF is not bad either kinda like that myself. But I'm still not sure I like any of the book title choices I've offered myself here. Do we dare use Manifold Connectors Framework in Action? and describe AMCF as Manifold Connectors Framework at times? Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: If this is adopted, I'm thinking we could use it in the following ways: Abbreviation: MCF Short name: ManifoldCF Qualified short name: Apache ManifoldCF Fully qualified and unabbreviated name: the Apache Manifold Connectors Framework I'm not quite sure what the world will think of that last usage, since it does not contain the trademark. Then again, neither does the abbreviation. But I'm not sure I'd dare make the book title be Apache Manifold Connectors Framework in Action. It would probably need to be Apache ManifoldCF in Action, or just ManifoldCF in Action. Grant, you wrote a book. What do you think? Which title should be used? Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: -1 for me. Standing alone it's an okay name, but trying to actually use it is a pain (and we might as well call it MCF). But I'll certainly go along with the majority. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:25 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Ok, I just want an up-or-down vote on ManifoldCF at this point. +1 from me. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/28/10 7:10 PM, Jack Krupansky wrote: Fair enough. I could live with any of the other choices, but having this CF suffix really messes a lot of stuff up and is less practical than any of the other names. Basically, it means we may end up having to use MCF as the shorthand name. Wait... stop the presses... I just realized that ManifoldCF violates selection rule #5: (5) No more than 4 syllables Man-I-fold-C-F (or is in Ma-ni-fold-C-F.) That's five syllables. ManifoldCF was already in the running. And its obvious that having too many syllables is not a problem - it was the second most voted name - for the *second* time at least (who can track all these votes). And, technically, I would say that it at least half violates the spirit of rule #1: (1) It's a single word It is a single word plus this extra CF acronym thing. That's a stretch that the rational part of my brain is going to ignore. This is no argument. So, next candidate on the list was... Manicon, 19 Unless it has legal problems, it fits our requirements. Okay, lets vote again. For some reason ManifoldCF will stop topping the list why? Everyone will come to their senses? Some of us are so sick of this name thing we won't vote, and if your lucky those will be the ManifoldCF supporters? I mean come on... -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:52 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Jack, That's one of the main purposes of having everyone list choices by priority. If one doesn't work, there are others you can use. I don't want to open that vote again unless the community decides that the list of candidate names was simply not rich enough to furnish a good choice. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: Or Nocon or Noman. I know people are tired of voting, but I think we should really re-vote for the revised candidate list with Connex removed. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:43 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF hmmm...I think I'm all voted out. Can we just call it nothing? On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to retain Connex, if that wins its vote. This vote also expires end of day on Friday. Note: Manifold is a trademark for a GIS software product. However, I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote is not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the suitability of the name in a legal context. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
That is roughly the usage I would expect. As far as a book title, tough call. There is the length issue. If somebody already knows of ManifoldCF, Apache ManifoldCF in Action makes sense, but Apache Manifold Connectors Framework in Action is a bit more descriptive. Bottom line, a name with three basic, core variations: ManifoldCF, MCF, Manifold Connectors Framework. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:04 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF If this is adopted, I'm thinking we could use it in the following ways: Abbreviation: MCF Short name: ManifoldCF Qualified short name: Apache ManifoldCF Fully qualified and unabbreviated name: the Apache Manifold Connectors Framework I'm not quite sure what the world will think of that last usage, since it does not contain the trademark. Then again, neither does the abbreviation. But I'm not sure I'd dare make the book title be Apache Manifold Connectors Framework in Action. It would probably need to be Apache ManifoldCF in Action, or just ManifoldCF in Action. Grant, you wrote a book. What do you think? Which title should be used? Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: -1 for me. Standing alone it's an okay name, but trying to actually use it is a pain (and we might as well call it MCF). But I'll certainly go along with the majority. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:25 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Ok, I just want an up-or-down vote on ManifoldCF at this point. +1 from me. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/28/10 7:10 PM, Jack Krupansky wrote: Fair enough. I could live with any of the other choices, but having this CF suffix really messes a lot of stuff up and is less practical than any of the other names. Basically, it means we may end up having to use MCF as the shorthand name. Wait... stop the presses... I just realized that ManifoldCF violates selection rule #5: (5) No more than 4 syllables Man-I-fold-C-F (or is in Ma-ni-fold-C-F.) That's five syllables. ManifoldCF was already in the running. And its obvious that having too many syllables is not a problem - it was the second most voted name - for the *second* time at least (who can track all these votes). And, technically, I would say that it at least half violates the spirit of rule #1: (1) It's a single word It is a single word plus this extra CF acronym thing. That's a stretch that the rational part of my brain is going to ignore. This is no argument. So, next candidate on the list was... Manicon, 19 Unless it has legal problems, it fits our requirements. Okay, lets vote again. For some reason ManifoldCF will stop topping the list why? Everyone will come to their senses? Some of us are so sick of this name thing we won't vote, and if your lucky those will be the ManifoldCF supporters? I mean come on... -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:52 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Jack, That's one of the main purposes of having everyone list choices by priority. If one doesn't work, there are others you can use. I don't want to open that vote again unless the community decides that the list of candidate names was simply not rich enough to furnish a good choice. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: Or Nocon or Noman. I know people are tired of voting, but I think we should really re-vote for the revised candidate list with Connex removed. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:43 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF hmmm...I think I'm all voted out. Can we just call it nothing? On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to retain Connex, if that wins its vote. This vote also expires end of day on Friday. Note: Manifold is a trademark for a GIS software product. However, I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote is not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the suitability of the name in a legal context. Karl
