[Cooker-firewall] squidGuard issue from the firewall

2001-07-10 Thread Florin

Hello everyone,

sorry for the delay,

I remember some people had some problems with their squidGuard config
and/or blacklists. 

does anyone have any problems with the squidGuard config/ blacklists
archive from the firewall product ?

have a nice day you all,
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Re: [Cooker] Reply-To field

2001-07-10 Thread Alexander Skwar

So sprach Eugenio Diaz am Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 11:53:59AM -0700:
 Is cooker again leaving the reply-to field untouched in emails?

Nope, it's not.  In your mail, Reply-To: was set correctly, ie. to the list.

 I think is bad that every time you reply to a maillist post, you have to double
 check that the reply-to address is cooker and not the address of the poster.

Right, it's bad.

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Re: [Cooker] Reply-To field

2001-07-10 Thread Alexander Skwar

So sprach Eaon am Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 02:39:54PM -0600:
 But some emails still get through (OS, who sends from a compuserve account,
 sticks out in my mind) that for some reason don't get reply-to set properly.

I suppose, that is, because OS sends his mails with a Reply-To: already
set.  Let's see, I've set Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; if this mail has
a Reply-To not set to the list, than it's because of this.

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Re: [Cooker] Who is mbadaire?

2001-07-10 Thread Alexander Skwar

So sprach kk1 am Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 05:31:19PM -0500:
 $ for i in `rpm -qa` ; do if [[ `rpm -q --changelog $i | grep adaire` ]] ;

What does '[[' do?

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Re: [Cooker] Reply-To field

2001-07-10 Thread Digital Wokan

The reply-to did come through set to ASkwar.  Would it be more proper to
have the list override any user-supplied reply-to's?

Alexander Skwar wrote:
 
 So sprach Eaon am Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 02:39:54PM -0600:
  But some emails still get through (OS, who sends from a compuserve account,
  sticks out in my mind) that for some reason don't get reply-to set properly.
 
 I suppose, that is, because OS sends his mails with a Reply-To: already
 set.  Let's see, I've set Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; if this mail has
 a Reply-To not set to the list, than it's because of this.
 
 Alexander Skwar
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[Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] rpmdrake-1.3-71mdk

2001-07-10 Thread David Odin

On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 03:15:29PM +0200, Stefan van der Eijk wrote:
 --=-=-=
 Name: rpmdrake Relocations: (not relocateable)
 Version : 1.3   Vendor: MandrakeSoft
 Release : 71mdk Build Date: Sun Jul  8 14:54:54 2001
 Install date: (not installed)   Build Host: bi.mandrakesoft.com
 Group   : System/Configuration/Packaging   Source RPM: (none)
 Size: 276766   License: GPL
 Packager: Mandrake Linux Team [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Summary : A graphical front end for installing packages
 Description :
 rpmdrake is an apt-alike tool. It also handles packages on more than one cdrom,
 asking you the needed one.
 
 It is a graphical front-end to urpmi/gurpmi.
 
 --=-=-=
 
 * Sun Jul 08 2001 Stefan van der Eijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1.3-71mdk
 
 - BuildRequires:  libbzip2-devel
 - BuildRequires:  rpm-devel
 
   Please don't build rpmdrake package without telling me. rpmdrake is in
CVS, and now the rpm isn't in sync with the CVS anymore. This means:
 - extra work for me (I have to find out what you've changed, and resync CVS)
 - this release of rpmdrake isn't tagged into the CVS (and won't be), so
   this particular release could not be built again, if needed.
 - I could have missed this email and then erase your work.

So please, don't rebuild other people's package, especially when it is for
such small changes. Just drop an email with the required changes.

Regards,

DindinX
 

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[Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] grpmi-8.1-4mdk

2001-07-10 Thread David Odin

On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 10:30:01AM +0200, Stefan van der Eijk wrote:
 --=-=-=
 Name: grpmiRelocations: (not relocateable)
 Version : 8.1   Vendor: MandrakeSoft
 Release : 4mdk  Build Date: Sat Jul  7 10:21:28 2001
 Install date: (not installed)   Build Host: bi.mandrakesoft.com
 Group   : System/Configuration/Packaging   Source RPM: (none)
 Size: 336639   License: GPL
 Packager: Mandrake Linux Team [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Summary : GUI frontend for rpms installation or upgrade
 Description :
 Nice gtk+ GUI to see the rpms installation progress
 
 --=-=-=
 
 * Sat Jul 07 2001 Stefan van der Eijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8.1-4mdk
 
 - BuildRequires:  db3-devel
 - Removed BuildRequires:  popt-devel
 - Removed BuildRequires:  zlib-devel
 
  See my other email about rpmdrake and rebuilding packages which are in CVS.

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[Cooker] initscripts-5.96-2: all network interfaces are opened in promiscuous mode by default

2001-07-10 Thread Ural Khassanov

Initscripts-5.96-2, kernel-2.4.5-9, iproute2-2.2.4-8
All my eth* interfaces are opened in promiscouous mode by default.

When I add PROMISC=no to the ifcfg-eth1 file, ifup eth1 fails with error: 
either dev is dublicate, or -promisc is a garbage.
My system is 8.0 with rebuilt packages.




[Cooker] .bash_profile not sourced, and ssh-agent not launched with kdm

2001-07-10 Thread Guillaume Rousse

On a fresh cooker install:

[guillaume@silbermann guillaume]$ ssh-add
Could not open a connection to your authentication agent.

[guillaume@silbermann guillaume]$ echo $PATH
/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
[guillaume@silbermann guillaume]$ cat .bash_profile | grep PATH
export PATH=$HOME/bin:$JAVA_HOME/bin:$PATH
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Re: [Cooker] Reply-To field

2001-07-10 Thread Christian Bricart

On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 08:32:47AM +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:
 So sprach Eugenio Diaz am Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 11:53:59AM -0700:
  Is cooker again leaving the reply-to field untouched in emails?
 
 Nope, it's not.  In your mail, Reply-To: was set correctly, ie. to the list.

And that's _not_ correct..

http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

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Re: [Cooker] initscripts-5.96-2: all network interfaces are opened in promiscuous mode by default

2001-07-10 Thread Ural Khassanov

On Tuesday 10 July 2001 15:13, you wrote:
 Initscripts-5.96-2, kernel-2.4.5-9, iproute2-2.2.4-8
 All my eth* interfaces are opened in promiscouous mode by default.
problem disappeared after server restart (i think it was killed iptraf 
program).
But anyway, PROMISC=no option in ifcfg-eth* doesn't work as documented 
(because the new 'ip' command can't change promisc modes). It would be 
good to use 'ifdown/ifup' to reset stalled promisc mode on device.




Re: [Cooker] Cooker Compile

2001-07-10 Thread Juan Quintela

 edward == Edward Avis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hi

 This is a nono, if you need glibc-devel, ask for it.  Notice than
 asking for make don't make too many sense, as rpm should depend on
 it.

edward Why should rpm depend on make?  I'm not aware that rpm ever calls make
edward for anything - unless the spec file asks for it, but of course the spec
edward file could ask for anything at all.

sorry, not rpm, rpm-devel.

[greping sources]

I was wrong, /usr/lib/rpm/*/macros belong to rpm instead of rpm-devel

quintela$ rpm -qf /usr/lib/rpm/i586-mandrake-linux/macros 
rpm-4.0.3-0.13mdk
quintela$ grep make /usr/lib/rpm/i586-mandrake-linux/macros 
# XXX I'll make these the default linux values soon as I can.
# make
%_make_bin make
%make if [ -z $NPROCS -a -f /proc/stat ]; then NPROCS=`egrep -c ^cpu[0-9]+ 
/proc/stat || :`; fi; if [ -z $NPROCS -o $NPROCS -le 0 ]; then NPROCS=1; fi; 
%{_make_bin} -j$NPROCS
%make_session if [ -x %{_fndsession_bin} ]; then %{_fndsession_bin} ||
true ; fi

you can see that rpm has embodied calls to make, but you are right, it
don't depend on it (and shouldn't, I think that rpm-devel should, but
that is a different story).

edward Shouldn't it be possible to install a small system without make?  RPM is
edward essential to Linux-Mandrake, if you make rpm depend on make, then you
edward have made make essential too.  But that doesn't reflect reality AFAIK.

I agree here, rpm should work without make, rpm-devel (or whatever
will be its name, not).

 - Mandrake install gcc  make in a default install, but:
 1- that can change (a end user don't need make normally).
 2- you don't want to have installed gcc/make whateven in one
 firewall and similar devices.

edward So why make rpm depend on make?  Or have I misunderstood you?

sorry for the confusion :(

 Where do you draw the line, easy, if the package is in basesystem, you
 don't need to ask for it, otherwise you need to ask for it explicitly.

edward Okay, and there is a stated assumption that if you don't have the
edward default base system installed, you can't expect to build packages?

I think that this is not an assumption, it is that if you remove _any_
package for basesystem, the system _could_ not work properly.  It is
called basesystem for something :)

edward Again, I would suggest a package called 'base-system' which depends on
edward all the stuff included in the standard install.  Then uninstalling gcc,
edward for example, would warn that you were losing base system functionality
edward (in an obscure kind of way) and you'd have to explicitly ask for this.

no, basesystem is _way_ less than standard install, it is the
_minimun_ ammount of packages to make the system work.  You can think
of it as similar to minimal install allowed.

edward Similarly trying to build an RPM would warn that you need base-system
edward installed, and you couldn't install the base-system package without
edward actually having the needed stuff.

Sure, see above, if you remove _anything_ of basesystem:
1- it is better that you know what are you doing
2- nothing is guaranteed to work after that

edward However I think you would also dislike that idea.  One could argue that
edward if you go around removing basic packages like make, you probably know
edward what you're doing and you can expect to take the consequences.  Newbies
edward or moderately experienced users wouldn't do that.  I think this is a
edward sensible position.  But you still need to define what the base system
edward is, and wouldn't it be best for the user to get some warning that he is
edward about to uninstall base system functionality?

No, remove make is ok, and shouldn't be in the base-system.  Having
rpm-build, or rpm-devel depending of make look right to me.

Later, Juan.

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Re: [Cooker] Who is mbadaire?

2001-07-10 Thread Pierre Fortin

Alexander Skwar wrote:
 
 So sprach kk1 am Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 05:31:19PM -0500:
  $ for i in `rpm -qa` ; do if [[ `rpm -q --changelog $i | grep adaire` ]] ;
 
 What does '[[' do?

man bash, /\[\[enter then n...  voila!

Pierre




Re: [Cooker] .bash_profile not sourced, and ssh-agent not launchedwith kdm

2001-07-10 Thread Frank Meurer


On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Guillaume Rousse cum veritate scripsit :

 On a fresh cooker install:

 [guillaume@silbermann guillaume]$ ssh-add
 Could not open a connection to your authentication agent.

 [guillaume@silbermann guillaume]$ echo $PATH
 /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
 [guillaume@silbermann guillaume]$ cat .bash_profile | grep PATH
 export PATH=$HOME/bin:$JAVA_HOME/bin:$PATH

If you don't have a login shell, then your .bash_profile is not parsed.
I recommend the usage of .bashrc .

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Re: [Cooker] Who is mbadaire?

2001-07-10 Thread Alexander Skwar

So sprach Pierre Fortin am Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 08:37:10AM -0400:
 Alexander Skwar wrote:
  
  So sprach kk1 am Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 05:31:19PM -0500:
   $ for i in `rpm -qa` ; do if [[ `rpm -q --changelog $i | grep adaire` ]] ;
  
  What does '[[' do?
 
 man bash, /\[\[enter then n...  voila!

Where's the difference to [ aka. test?

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Re: [Cooker] Reply-To field

2001-07-10 Thread Eugenio Diaz

--- Blue Lizard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 09 Jul 2001 11:53:59 -0700, Eugenio Diaz wrote:
  Is cooker again leaving the reply-to field untouched in emails?
  
  I think is bad that every time you reply to a maillist post, you have to
 double
  check that the reply-to address is cooker and not the address of the
 poster.
  Several times already I have posted comments to some of the posts, and they
  never appear on the list; because of some bounced emails, now I found out
 they
  were never sent to the list.
  
  I remember raising this issue over a year ago, and I don't know what was
 the
  conclusion, but some one stated something about not being able to do it
 because
  of mail loops. I don't know, but surely there must be a solution that fixes
  this problem without causing loops ...
  
 That is your prob, not cooker's :).  For long now, cooker has had the
 right replyto and any sane (not the scanner interface, the adjective)
 client follows it.  Did that siggy say yahoo?

No, it is not like that. If the posted message do not have the field set, then
cooker sets it to the list, but if it is set, it leaves it alone.
 


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Re: [Cooker] Reply-To field

2001-07-10 Thread Eugenio Diaz

--- Digital Wokan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The reply-to did come through set to ASkwar.  Would it be more proper to
 have the list override any user-supplied reply-to's?
 
 Alexander Skwar wrote:
  
  So sprach Eaon am Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 02:39:54PM -0600:
   But some emails still get through (OS, who sends from a compuserve
 account,
   sticks out in my mind) that for some reason don't get reply-to set
 properly.
  
  I suppose, that is, because OS sends his mails with a Reply-To: already
  set.  Let's see, I've set Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; if this mail has
  a Reply-To not set to the list, than it's because of this.

That is exactly the point of my first post. The list must always override any
Reply-To fields in the incomming messages, and change the cooker address.

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Re: [Cooker] Reply-To field

2001-07-10 Thread Eugenio Diaz

--- Christian Bricart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 08:32:47AM +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:
  So sprach Eugenio Diaz am Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 11:53:59AM -0700:
   Is cooker again leaving the reply-to field untouched in emails?
  
  Nope, it's not.  In your mail, Reply-To: was set correctly, ie. to the
 list.
 
 And that's _not_ correct..
 
 http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

This does not makes sense **at all**. List are suposed to be public bulletin
boards, not private chat rooms!

In any event, the writer of that paper (if you can call it that) could not give
a sensible reason for not overrinding (or munging as he call it) the Reply-To
header; but I will give you a single one why you should: SPAMMERS

If a spammer su*scribes to the list with a generic email (a one time use like
hotmail, yahoo, etc) and send a controversial message like Microsoft pays
Torvalds under the table with the Reply-To set to his address collecting
address; them BAM! immediately he has hundreds of email addresses (of all the
people that replied) of people interested in Linux. Now, think about that for a
moment ... done? ... well, what would happens if this spammer joins hundreds of
lists nad uses a different alias address in the Reply-To for each category of
lists ... guess what? ... he will end up with a database of email addresses
already categorized by interest!


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Re: [Cooker] Reply-To field

2001-07-10 Thread Eugenio Diaz

--- Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So sprach Christian Bricart am Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 01:01:19PM +0200:
  And that's _not_ correct..
  
  http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
 
 Yawn.
 
 http://www.metasystema.org/essays/reply-to-useful.mhtml

;-) he, he.

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Re: [Cooker] Cooker Compile

2001-07-10 Thread David Walluck

Juan Quintela wrote:

 No, remove make is ok, and shouldn't be in the base-system.  Having
 rpm-build, or rpm-devel depending of make look right to me.


Yes, I think that rpm-devel should need every package that a macro 
refers to, this includes autoconf, make, and gpg, amoung others. Perhaps 
I should go through and make a list?


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Re: [Cooker] initscripts-5.96-2: all network interfaces are opened in promiscuous mode by default

2001-07-10 Thread David Walluck

Ural Khassanov wrote:

 Initscripts-5.96-2, kernel-2.4.5-9, iproute2-2.2.4-8
 All my eth* interfaces are opened in promiscouous mode by default.
 
 When I add PROMISC=no to the ifcfg-eth1 file, ifup eth1 fails with error: 
 either dev is dublicate, or -promisc is a garbage.
 My system is 8.0 with rebuilt packages.
 
 
 .
 
 

I don't care so much about promiscuous mode as the message that appears 
all over my console any time ifup is run :/ Somebody needs to shut that off.

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[Fwd: [Cooker] .bash_profile not sourced, and ssh-agent not launched with kdm]

2001-07-10 Thread David Walluck

There goes those Reply To's. You might say, well why don't I just look 
before sending, but hey the fonts in Mozilla are so terrible, they 
overlap and overwrite each other, that if I look at them I lose my place 
in what I'm typing, which is visually impossible to determine. I think 
this may be because I installed mozilla-fonts. I'm not sure.

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Frank Meurer wrote:

 On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Guillaume Rousse cum veritate scripsit :
 
 
On a fresh cooker install:

[guillaume@silbermann guillaume]$ ssh-add
Could not open a connection to your authentication agent.

[guillaume@silbermann guillaume]$ echo $PATH
/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
[guillaume@silbermann guillaume]$ cat .bash_profile | grep PATH
export PATH=$HOME/bin:$JAVA_HOME/bin:$PATH

 
 If you don't have a login shell, then your .bash_profile is not parsed.
 I recommend the usage of .bashrc .
 


Doesn't matter. Something is not set up correctly. Previous versions of 
Mandrake always read this file, and anyway, I don't think ~/.bashrc is 
supposed to be used in place of ~/.bash_profile. They are separate files 
with separate uses.




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Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] rpmdrake-1.3-71mdk

2001-07-10 Thread David Walluck

David Odin wrote:


Please don't build rpmdrake package without telling me. rpmdrake is in
 CVS, and now the rpm isn't in sync with the CVS anymore. This means:
  - extra work for me (I have to find out what you've changed, and resync CVS)
  - this release of rpmdrake isn't tagged into the CVS (and won't be), so
this particular release could not be built again, if needed.
  - I could have missed this email and then erase your work.
 
 So please, don't rebuild other people's package, especially when it is for
 such small changes. Just drop an email with the required changes.


Okay, but is someone working on fixing the MandrakeUpdate problem 
reported? It is kind of difficult to look for fixes in cooker manually, 
especially when we hear that the dates of some files were incorrectly 
set and therefore, ls -t doesn't tell me what's new.




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Re: [Cooker] Reply-To field

2001-07-10 Thread Randy Kramer

Alexander,

Thanks for sending this -- don't know if you wanted feedback or not, but
you're right, the reply to for this note is to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not to
the list.

Expanding my set of notes, from Netscape Navigator 3.04, if I press:

- Re:Mail a reply is generated to you, only
- Re:All a reply is generated to you, and the list

Randy Kramer

Alexander Skwar wrote:
 
 So sprach Eaon am Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 02:39:54PM -0600:
  But some emails still get through (OS, who sends from a compuserve account,
  sticks out in my mind) that for some reason don't get reply-to set properly.
 
 I suppose, that is, because OS sends his mails with a Reply-To: already
 set.  Let's see, I've set Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; if this mail has
 a Reply-To not set to the list, than it's because of this.
 
 Alexander Skwar
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[OT] Re: [Cooker] Reply-To field

2001-07-10 Thread Xavier Bertou

  http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
 
 This does not makes sense **at all**. List are suposed to be public bulletin
 boards, not private chat rooms!

There is one point which is correct is the above web page, it's:
   FROM http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html:
 Can't Find My Way Back Home
 
 It may be impossible to reply to the author of a message once the Reply-To
 header is munged. The Reply-To header was not invented on a whim. It is there
 for the sender of a mail message to use. If you stomp on
 this header, you can lose important information. 
 
 There are good reasons why the sender might insert a Reply-To header. The
 sender might not be the original author of the message (the name that appears
 in the From header). If responses should return to the
 sender and not the original author, then the sender will insert a Reply-To
 header. Or, maybe the sender added a Reply-To because he or she cannot receive
 email at the account from which the message was sent.
 There are many good reasons to place a Reply-To header into a mailing list
 message. 
 
 If the Reply-To is munged by the mailing list, the value provided by the
 original sender is lost. Reply-To munging can make it impossible to reach the
 sender of a message.

Note that there is no answer to this precise point in
http://www.metasystema.org/essays/reply-to-useful.mhtml 

But the main point is that mailing-lists are poorly handled by the low-level
mail headers, and specific headers should be used. I have to change my From:
header to write to some mailing lists because they only accept this From:
for the posting. I also change my From: for normal messages because people
don't use the Reply-To for addressbooks usually but the From. Therefore,
people get [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is explicitely referencing a specific
computer, whereas I'd like to have [EMAIL PROTECTED], which I can redirect to
any specific computer.

Basically, I'm on my computer (lpnp69), and my official email is 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd expect my configuration to be:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tomorrow, for some obscure reason (let's say I'm changing lab), my computer
becomes cdfas1, and I have no more account on lpnp69. Then two problems
arise:
- I cannot send mails to the mailing list, I have to resubscribe
- people browsing the archives and wanting to send me a mail (I do that quite
often, browsing an archive, saw that somebody had the same problem, and mail
him to know if he has found something if the answer is not on the list) cannot
do it, as my official email [EMAIL PROTECTED] has been mungled

It should be the work of mailers to provide functions to handle mailing-lists.
Of course, as only a few do, Reply-To mungling is after all a good idea. But
in a perfect world, it shouldn't (perfect world=world where every body would
use good mailers, such has mutt which have specific code to handle mailing
lists).

End of the rant for today...
-- 
Xavier




Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] rpmdrake-1.3-71mdk

2001-07-10 Thread David Odin

On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 10:55:06AM -0400, David Walluck wrote:
 David Odin wrote:
 
 
 Please don't build rpmdrake package without telling me. rpmdrake is in
  CVS, and now the rpm isn't in sync with the CVS anymore. This means:
   - extra work for me (I have to find out what you've changed, and resync CVS)
   - this release of rpmdrake isn't tagged into the CVS (and won't be), so
 this particular release could not be built again, if needed.
   - I could have missed this email and then erase your work.
  
  So please, don't rebuild other people's package, especially when it is for
  such small changes. Just drop an email with the required changes.
 
 
 Okay, but is someone working on fixing the MandrakeUpdate problem 
 reported?

  Which problem?  I'm aware of a lot of problems with MandrakeUpdate/rpmdrake.
And yes, I'm working on them.  I spend too much time updating this thing for
the latest rpmlibs, and fixing what other people does wrong.

 It is kind of difficult to look for fixes in cooker manually, 
 especially when we hear that the dates of some files were incorrectly 
 set and therefore, ls -t doesn't tell me what's new.
 
  I have heard about this problem on some mirrors. Unfortunately, there's
nothing I can do here.

 regards,

   DindinX

-- 
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Re: [Cooker] Who is mbadaire?

2001-07-10 Thread Randy Kramer

Matthias Badaire wrote:
 I'm mbadaire and kk1 is somebody else

Yes, sorry, somehow I got my quoting attributions screwed up.

Randy Kramer




Re: [Cooker] Reply-To field

2001-07-10 Thread Alexander Skwar

So sprach Randy Kramer am Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 10:54:18AM -0400:
 Thanks for sending this -- don't know if you wanted feedback or not, but

Actually not :)  Anyhow... *G*

 Expanding my set of notes, from Netscape Navigator 3.04, if I press:
 
 - Re:Mail a reply is generated to you, only
 - Re:All a reply is generated to you, and the list

Which is the behaviour I would have expected.  'Simple' replies should
honor Reply-To:, and 'Replies To All'/'Group Replies' (as it's called in
mutt) sends a reply to every address in the header.

Alexander Skwar
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Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] rpmdrake-1.3-71mdk

2001-07-10 Thread David Walluck

David Odin wrote:


Which problem?  I'm aware of a lot of problems with 
MandrakeUpdate/rpmdrake.
  And yes, I'm working on them.  I spend too much time updating this 
thing for
  the latest rpmlibs, and fixing what other people does wrong.

In a previous e-mail I had listed many bugs, here are some more:

1.) If you start up MandrakeUpdate then select some packages:


Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkcontainer.c: line 715 (gtk_container_add): 
assertion `widget-parent == NULL' failed.

Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkcontainer.c: line 715 (gtk_container_add): 
assertion `widget-parent == NULL' failed.
extracting egcs-cpp-1.1.2-48mdk.i586
extracting egcs-1.1.2-48mdk.i586
extracting libgdbm1-1.8.0-16mdk.i586
extracting postgresql-libs-7.1.2-4mdk.i586
extracting postgresql-7.1.2-4mdk.i586
extracting egcs-cpp-1.1.2-48mdk.i586
extracting egcs-1.1.2-48mdk.i586
extracting libgdbm1-1.8.0-16mdk.i586
extracting postgresql-libs-7.1.2-4mdk.i586
extracting postgresql-7.1.2-4mdk.i586

First of all, the 'Gtk-CRITICAL' warning should worry you. If GTK 
weren't so smart, we'd have a crash on our hands. Second, it says 
'extracting' without ever getting any packages. I think it should 
realize that these packages aren't there. Again, I posted about some 
bugs like these before, maybe you have them already.

2.) rpm -q kernel
kernel-2.4.6-2mdk
kernel-2.4.6-2mdk

I have two kernel rpms installed. Granted rpm was never meant to be used 
this way.. BUT.. shouldn't MandrkaeUpdat e realize that if 
kernel-2.4.6-2mdk is installed and kernel-2.4.6-2mdk is on ftp, that 
even if I have another one installed (older or newer kernel) as well 
that *I do not need to upgrade*. I already have the latest kernel 
installed as shown above.

3.) BTW, the Easy Updates option kind of conflicts with an existing
configuration. For example, I have only a Cooker source. Adding an
update_source is not going to help me any. Maybe Easy Update (what is
this for anyway?), should include Cooker updates, and maybe even grey
out the normal security etc. options so that they can't be used, as 
those are of no use to a
Cooker user.


   regards,
 
 DindinX
 
 



-- 
Sincerely,

David Walluck
[EMAIL PROTECTED]






Re: [OT] Re: [Cooker] Reply-To field

2001-07-10 Thread Alexander Skwar

So sprach Xavier Bertou am Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 02:55:10PM +:
 Note that there is no answer to this precise point in
 http://www.metasystema.org/essays/reply-to-useful.mhtml 

That's right, there's no TECHNICAL answer.  But, I for one, reply to
lists about 95% of the time (and thus only 5% privately).   If I had a
non-replyable email address, I would add my replyable address to the
signature.  Many people already have their address in the .sig, so this
isn't something esotheric, I'd say.

Alexander Skwar
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Re: [Cooker] Reply-To field

2001-07-10 Thread Alexander Skwar

So sprach David Walluck am Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 10:36:40AM -0400:
 off-topic. People setting their reply-to's to themselves only make it 
 hard on me, who is trying to reply to the list in the first place, 

Well, that's only the setup of the software Mandrake uses.  In most
(all?) other list softwares, Reply-To: is *ALWAYS* overwritten, no
matter if there's already a Reply-To: set.  And I think it's a good
thing.

I also think, ít's a good thing, that there's a [Cooker] tag in each
and every mail, as it adds easy manageability even on mailboxes like Web
Mailers provide them.

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[Cooker] ncurses/scrollkeeper cross-compile executables

2001-07-10 Thread steve

Should I be getting cross-compile executable names in
ncurses-5.2-15mdk
/usr/bin/i686-mandrake-linux-gnu-captoinfo
...

and  scrollkeeper-0.2-1mdk
/usr/bin/i686-mandrake-linux-scrollkeeper-config
...
when I rebuild for i686.





Re: [Cooker] ncurses/scrollkeeper cross-compile executables

2001-07-10 Thread Axalon

On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, steve wrote:

 Should I be getting cross-compile executable names in
 ncurses-5.2-15mdk
 /usr/bin/i686-mandrake-linux-gnu-captoinfo
 ...
 
 and  scrollkeeper-0.2-1mdk
 /usr/bin/i686-mandrake-linux-scrollkeeper-config
 ...
 when I rebuild for i686.
 

Check --changelog for an entry from Jeff about this, if it's not there
theres an update available.

-- 
--Axalon





[Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] cups-1.1.9-1mdk

2001-07-10 Thread Guillaume Rousse

Ainsi parlait Till Kamppeter :
[..}
 * Tue Jul 10 2001 Till Kamppeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1.1.9-1mdk

 - Updated to CUPS 1.1.8 (several bugfixes)
1.1.8 or 1.1.9 ?
-- 
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GPG key http://bohm.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/gpgkey.html




Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] rpmdrake-1.3-71mdk

2001-07-10 Thread Andrej Borsenkow

On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, David Odin wrote:

 
  Okay, but is someone working on fixing the MandrakeUpdate problem
  reported?

   Which problem?  I'm aware of a lot of problems with MandrakeUpdate/rpmdrake.
 And yes, I'm working on them.  I spend too much time updating this thing for
 the latest rpmlibs, and fixing what other people does wrong.


The main problem currently is that rpmdrake installs nothing. When I
select any updated package and press Install selected, it brings up
starting rpminst window, after some time dialog disappears and that's
all. With strace I see that rpminst is started, it outputs ... extracted
messages and that's all. Looks like rpminst believs everything is already
installed.


It was reported by several people (me including) on this list already.

-andrej





Re: [Cooker] Reply-To field

2001-07-10 Thread Eugenio Diaz

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  This does not makes sense **at all**. List are suposed to be public
 bulletin
  boards, not private chat rooms!
  
  In any event, the writer of that paper (if you can call it that) could not
 give
  a sensible reason for not overrinding (or munging as he call it) the
 Reply-To
  header; but I will give you a single one why you should: SPAMMERS
  
  If a spammer su*scribes to the list with a generic email (a one time use
 like
  hotmail, yahoo, etc) and send a controversial message like Microsoft pays
  Torvalds under the table with the Reply-To set to his address collecting
  address; them BAM! immediately he has hundreds of email addresses (of all
 the
  people that replied) of people interested in Linux. Now, think about that
 for a
  moment ... done? ... well, what would happens if this spammer joins
 hundreds of
  lists nad uses a different alias address in the Reply-To for each
 category of
  lists ... guess what? ... he will end up with a database of email addresses
  already categorized by interest!
  
  
 Eugenio, are you a spammer :)

Actually this came to my mind as I read the bad paper, and my mind exploded
with ways to contradict the bad arguments in the paper.


=

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Linux Engineer
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[Cooker] rpm corruption

2001-07-10 Thread kk1

Hi,

I ended up with a corrupted /var/lib/rpm/Packages after removing few old
kernels this morning.

rpm --verifydb --vv fails on this Packages file, and rpm -qa does not
display anything (it fails to decode the first package)

However the file still contains all the names since I can still install
remove or query packages.

Is there a way to rebuild this file (or clean it). rpm --rebuilddb does not
work.

Trouble here, rpm -qa locks the machine and it is used by update-menus
which runs in the background.

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Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] gnumeric-0.67-1mdk

2001-07-10 Thread OS

Ah, that must be why it crashes so often !

On Tuesday 10 July 2001 11:04 am, you wrote:
 On 10.07.2001 11:03:20 Renaud Chaillat wrote:
  What about :
 
  ... to use Gnumeric.  It tries to clone all of
  the good features and stay as compatible as possible with Excel in terms
  of usability. Hopefully the bugs have been left behind :).
 
  If everybody's pleased with this phrasing then I'll upload an updated
  package
 
  :-)

 As far as I'm concerned: Go ahead!  Sounds good to me!




Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] rpmdrake-1.3-71mdk

2001-07-10 Thread Dave Cowern

Also, to toss my $.02 in... 

In my installation, rpminst will launch then come back telling me that 
packages  ,whatever_packages_i_select... are not found.  I'm assuming that 
having a white space and a comma is the problem (it's looking for a package 
with a space for a name).  --  Dave

On Tuesday 10 July 2001 11:39 am, you wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 10:55:06AM -0400, David Walluck wrote:
  David Odin wrote:
  Please don't build rpmdrake package without telling me. rpmdrake is
   in CVS, and now the rpm isn't in sync with the CVS anymore. This means:
   - extra work for me (I have to find out what you've changed, and resync
   CVS) - this release of rpmdrake isn't tagged into the CVS (and won't
   be), so this particular release could not be built again, if needed. -
   I could have missed this email and then erase your work.
  
   So please, don't rebuild other people's package, especially when it is
   for such small changes. Just drop an email with the required changes.
 
  Okay, but is someone working on fixing the MandrakeUpdate problem
  reported?

   Which problem?  I'm aware of a lot of problems with
 MandrakeUpdate/rpmdrake. And yes, I'm working on them.  I spend too much
 time updating this thing for the latest rpmlibs, and fixing what other
 people does wrong.

  It is kind of difficult to look for fixes in cooker manually,
  especially when we hear that the dates of some files were incorrectly
  set and therefore, ls -t doesn't tell me what's new.

   I have heard about this problem on some mirrors. Unfortunately, there's
 nothing I can do here.

  regards,

DindinX




Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] gnumeric-0.67-1mdk

2001-07-10 Thread Alexander Skwar

So sprach »OS« am 2001-07-10 um 21:42:31 +0100 :
 Ah, that must be why it crashes so often !

?

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Re: [Cooker] Who is mbadaire?

2001-07-10 Thread Blue Lizard

Wait a minute, now i see what you all are blabbering about.
It appears mbadaire works for mdksoft and thus has made packages along
the way (apparently latex2html or whatever) and somehow got some home
files in there (just the dir).  hmm sep dev clust but stil way like
trans non clust files with such same disk.
got it?  at least i do.
..
...

Blue





[Cooker] kpackage is working (not quite)

2001-07-10 Thread Ivan Kerekes


Hi cookers!

kpackage is comming up at least but failing right after i click on any button:
[root@cs5884-a RPMS]# kpackage
kpackage: r=
kpackage: DEBAPT r==
KCrash: crashing crashRecursionCounter = 2
KCrash: Application Name = kpackage path = unknown pid = 1559




[Cooker] [Fwd: fax s/w for cable connection]OT

2001-07-10 Thread michael



michael wrote:
 
 Does anyone know of fax software (linux or not) which works on a box
 connected via cable not regular modem?
 Freshmeat doesn't show any I can figure out and I am thinking with the
 rise in broadband usage someone must have at least written one for
 windows???
 --
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 (k=f/d)
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Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] gnumeric-0.67-1mdk

2001-07-10 Thread Renaud Chaillat

On Monday 09 July 2001 20:49, Alexander Skwar wrote :
 So sprach Edward Avis am Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 07:25:41PM +0100:
  How about saying:
 
  This is from the Gnumeric website:
  We have tried to clone all the features of Excel and we hope to have
  fixed all the bugs.
 
  That way it is clear who said what and who 'we' are.

 Hmm, yeah, I thought about this possibility as well.  Might be good,
 yes.

  (if you can understand the two-level quoting :-))

 you lost me there


What about :

... to use Gnumeric.  It tries to clone all of 
the good features and stay as compatible as possible with Excel in terms of 
usability. Hopefully the bugs have been left behind :).

If everybody's pleased with this phrasing then I'll upload an updated package 
:-)

Renaud




Re: [Cooker] A stupid consistency check

2001-07-10 Thread guran

On Tuesday 10 July 2001  4:00 pm, you wrote:

 What do you want to say exactly ?

Well I was having a glass with a friend, and he just mentioned that the first 
source for the same type of problems occurring among many packages, ought to 
be the very thing that installs the packages.

I have neither the data nor the direct observations that implies that his 
line of thought has any meaning to cooker installation - I just wanted others 
to think about the possibility.

regards
guran




[Cooker] Terminal and mc 'boarder'

2001-07-10 Thread guran

Hi

VERSION (rsync ftp.sunet.se)
Mandrake Linux Cooker-i586 20010710 15:16
/ChangeLog/1.520/Sun Jul  8 20:52:42 2001//

OBS!ASUS P3V4X with  VIA Apollo Pro133A chipset

In the very first used Xserver after installation I could change fonts to 
huge and subsequently the size to 80x25 (IBM) with the result that mc was 
functioning correctly - i.e. it had its boarders.

After logging out and restarting the Xserver I am only allowed 80x40 ( in the 
earlier instance both 80x25 and the 80x40 stayed on as choosen) and when in 
mc the boarders are gone.

regards
guran




Re: [Cooker] Reply-To field

2001-07-10 Thread Randy Kramer

Eugenio Diaz wrote:
 If you reply to the author and the list, then the author is going to get the
 message twice; one from you and one from the list - if he/she is su*scribed;
 which of course is necesary by definition.

Eugenio,

Thanks for the response!

Yes, good point, but I see it as sort of beside the point.  

My real point is having a means of control that is less influenced by
whether and to what the reply to header is set, and more to what I
choose to do.

Maybe (not exactly addressing your point) the second approach:

  Reply quoted (with no addressees)
  Reply unquoted (with no addressees)
 
  Add originator to reply
  Add (mail)list to reply
  Add ccs to reply

should be adjusted to add 'Add reply to to reply' (with better wording
;-), and possibly deleting one of the other options -- not sure which.

Again, the point is to let me make a selection and to know that it is
doing what I request, and not having me make a selection and having the
reply address vary depending on the setting of the reply to header
(unless I want it to).  (And I would rely on myself to not reply to both
the originator and the maillist unless there was some valid reason for
doing so.)

So, anybody know of a mail client that works more like this?

Thanks, 
Randy Kramer




[Cooker] 7.2 freq update iso

2001-07-10 Thread Ray

Anyone know where I can get this? I seem to have lost my copy and I need to 
install a new server with 7.2 and this was a great update.
I can't find it on the few ftp sites that I have seen.

Thanks
-- 
Ray




[Cooker] Today's install - July 10 2001 (Domex Controller - LinuxConf - Printer - XFCE - Sane Problems)

2001-07-10 Thread Claudio

Hi all,
I've just performed a clean Cooker installation. These are the results.

--
DURING INSTALL PROCESS

1.
I tried to install with a Domex-3191D scsi-controller, which is supported by 
latest kernels. But at the beginning of installation it reports:
Device 134a 0001 is DTC Technology Corp. | Domex 536 (dtc)
have to insmod dtc
needs dtc
init_module: dtc: No such device
failed
unsetting automatic
I repeat that it's a Domex-3191D and no 536 as reported by installer.

2.
Linuxconf hangs during installation for 7-8 minutes. This time I wrote the 
message:
Can/t load module
/usr/lib/linuxconf/redhat.so.1.25.7
cannot open shared object file: cannot load shared object file:
No such file or directory

3.
Entering step Configure printer -- Reading cups driver database
-- Unable to connect to remote cups server -- EXIT.

4.
Duplicate proftpd entry between boot-services.

--

POST-INSTALL

1.
During the boot-up process there is a WARNING: undefined reference to 
dl2k.o.gz

2.
XFCE won't work. It says Cannot create file as I log in.

3.
Mustek scanner won't work (it is a ScanExpress 12000 SE Plus):
In dmesg I find:
SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00
ahc_pci:0:14:0: Host Adapter Bios disabled.  Using default SCSI device  
parameters
scsi0 : Adaptec AIC7XXX EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI HBA DRIVER, Rev 6.1.13
Adaptec 2902/04/10/15/20/30C SCSI adapter
aic7850: Single Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 3/255 SCBs
Vendor: SCANNER   Model:   Rev: V100
Type:   ScannerANSI SCSI revision: 01 CCS
But...
[root@monster claudio]# scanimage -l
scanimage: no SANE devices found
[root@monster claudio]# scanimage -L
No scanners were identified. If you were expecting something different,
check that the scanner is plugged in, turned on and detected by the
sane-find-scanner tool (if appropriate). Please read the documentation
which came with this software (README, FAQ, manpages).
[root@monster claudio]#
[root@monster claudio]# rpm -qa |grep sane
sane-backends-1.0.5-1mdk
libsane1-devel-1.0.5-1mdk
xsane-0.78-1mdk
libsane1-1.0.5-1mdk
xsane-gimp-0.78-1mdk
sane-frontends-1.0.5-1mdk
[root@monster claudio]#
By the way: it perfectly works with sane-1.0.3 of mdk-7.2


SUGGESTIONS:
- gnome-user-docs-xx should be installed by default with Gnome packages 
for it contains some pages linked in Gnome-environment.
- Let's make something nice for KDE fonts once 2.2 is out  ;o)
- Some icons in menu entries are just ? (see office-section in particular)
- Could you include OpenOffice-6 if it has reached a good development 
stage? (I mean: configure it for all users, find it in menu entries, in 
mimetypes and so on...)

Anyway, I find actual cooker is really great!  =;-))
What a good work...
C.

-- 
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SysAdmin at Dept. of Physics
Tor Vergata University and INFN - Sec. Roma II
Remote System is:
LINUX Mandrake release 8.1 (Cooker)




[Cooker] DMA errors with 2.4.6-3mdk

2001-07-10 Thread Parag Shah


hello all i just installed 8.0 on a machine with two segate udma100 drives
with promise card. updated kernel from cooker. seeing lot of status=0x51
errors but file system (reisrefs) seems fine and there arent any fatal
errors. is
this kernel issue and not cooker?

regards







Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] gnumeric-0.67-1mdk

2001-07-10 Thread alexander . skwar


On 10.07.2001 11:03:20 Renaud Chaillat wrote:

 What about :

 ... to use Gnumeric.  It tries to clone all of
 the good features and stay as compatible as possible with Excel in terms of
 usability. Hopefully the bugs have been left behind :).

 If everybody's pleased with this phrasing then I'll upload an updated package
 :-)

As far as I'm concerned: Go ahead!  Sounds good to me!






Re: [Cooker] Who is mbadaire?

2001-07-10 Thread Matthias Badaire

Randy Kramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 kk1 wrote:
   Why did I suddenly have an /home/mbadaire directory?
 
 Matthias,

I'm mbadaire and kk1 is somebody else

I suppose the problem comes from on of my package.
I'm quite sure that the previous version of latex2html had thise problem.
Hopefully it should be fixed now unless other people do have the same
issue.

-- 
Matthias Badaire




Re: [Cooker] Reply-To field

2001-07-10 Thread andre

 
 This does not makes sense **at all**. List are suposed to be public bulletin
 boards, not private chat rooms!
 
 In any event, the writer of that paper (if you can call it that) could not give
 a sensible reason for not overrinding (or munging as he call it) the Reply-To
 header; but I will give you a single one why you should: SPAMMERS
 
 If a spammer su*scribes to the list with a generic email (a one time use like
 hotmail, yahoo, etc) and send a controversial message like Microsoft pays
 Torvalds under the table with the Reply-To set to his address collecting
 address; them BAM! immediately he has hundreds of email addresses (of all the
 people that replied) of people interested in Linux. Now, think about that for a
 moment ... done? ... well, what would happens if this spammer joins hundreds of
 lists nad uses a different alias address in the Reply-To for each category of
 lists ... guess what? ... he will end up with a database of email addresses
 already categorized by interest!
 
 
 =
 
 Eugenio Diaz, BSEE/BSCE   
 Linux Engineer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
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Re: [Cooker] .bash_profile not sourced, and ssh-agent not launched with kdm

2001-07-10 Thread Guillaume Rousse

Ainsi parlait Frank Meurer :
 On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Guillaume Rousse cum veritate scripsit :
  On a fresh cooker install:
 
  [guillaume@silbermann guillaume]$ ssh-add
  Could not open a connection to your authentication agent.
 
  [guillaume@silbermann guillaume]$ echo $PATH
  /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
  [guillaume@silbermann guillaume]$ cat .bash_profile | grep PATH
  export PATH=$HOME/bin:$JAVA_HOME/bin:$PATH

 If you don't have a login shell, then your .bash_profile is not parsed.
 I recommend the usage of .bashrc .

I should have a login shell, as i log via kdm. and /etc/X/xdm/Xsession first 
line is #!/bin/bash -login.
I don't want to have my $HOME/bin appended to my PATH in every new shell, so 
the need of a bash_profile and a basrc.
Moreover, the behavior modification and the ssh-agent problem suggest there 
is something wrong currently.
-- 
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GPG key http://bohm.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/gpgkey.html




Re: [Cooker] Who is mbadaire?

2001-07-10 Thread Matthias Badaire

Blue Lizard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Wait a minute, now i see what you all are blabbering about.
 It appears mbadaire works for mdksoft and thus has made packages along
 the way (apparently latex2html or whatever) and somehow got some home
 files in there (just the dir).  hmm sep dev clust but stil way like
 trans non clust files with such same disk.
 got it?  at least i do.

I think you got it ... ' took time 8) 

 ..
 ...
 
 Blue
 
 

-- 
Matthias Badaire




[Cooker] 2.4.6-3 - Install pbs

2001-07-10 Thread guran

Hi

VERSION (rsync ftp.sunet.se)
Mandrake Linux Cooker-i586 20010710 15:16
/ChangeLog/1.520/Sun Jul  8 20:52:42 2001//

OBS!ASUS P3V4X with  VIA Apollo Pro133A chipset

linuxconf - still waits fore ever and complains about module 
redhat.so.1.25.7 in Ctrl-Alt-F1

Network Conf Wizard still the same shit i.e at 'Choose' Lan detected when 
pressing OK button - jumps the fine shit and arrives at 'Congratulation the 
configuration is finished c
When I go back an do it manually, everything is fine but the DNS shit i.e. it 
proposes my DNS server at 10.0.0.1, but mine is outside the LAN, and I am not 
given more positions to write in the stuff.

Summary
Timezone, I am now allowed to visit Stockholm, but in the next dialog window 
I am only allowed 'set at GMT' or 'synchronize with NTP server' I want it to 
be set at the local time. Or give example on NTP servers!

CUPS - the very same shit - Ctrl-Alt-F3 - warning: unable to connect to 
cups server at /usr/bin/perl-install/printe.pm line 417

Backed and tried again, the only change was that in the summary window the 
'no printer' had changed to 'remote cups server' very intelligent.

No bootdisk as before

GRUB - this is serious! What has the fine program to do in my bootpartition 
that is not mounted?

From menu :
kernel (hd0,0)/ root=/dev/hda8
initrd (hd0,0)/

should be kernel (hdo,7)/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.6-3mdk c

No gpm from boot

regards
guran   







Re: [Cooker] Reply-To field

2001-07-10 Thread Eugenio Diaz

--- Randy Kramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...

 I can imagine:
 
 Reply to author (originator)
 Reply to list
 Reply to author and list
 Reply to ccs
 
 And I guess I could add all the other combinations -- too many buttons. 
 Ok, maybe five buttons instead, something like:
 
 Reply quoted (with no addressees)
 Reply unquoted (with no addressees)
 
 Add originator to reply
 Add (mail)list to reply
 Add ccs to reply
 
 Anybody familiar with a mail client with feature sets like either of
 these?

If you reply to the author and the list, then the author is going to get the
message twice; one from you and one from the list - if he/she is su*scribed;
which of course is necesary by definition.

=

Eugenio Diaz, BSEE/BSCE   
Linux Engineer
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[Cooker] A stupid consistency check

2001-07-10 Thread guran

Hi

If anybody more than me think that some problems are alike then we might 
question whether what is common is causing the problems.

It might thus be wise to revamp the whole Perl iterpreter used during 
installation?

regards
guran




Re: [Cooker] A stupid consistency check

2001-07-10 Thread François Pons

guran [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 It might thus be wise to revamp the whole Perl iterpreter used during 
 installation?

What do you want to say exactly ?

François.




[Cooker] rpmlint-0.33 - is this used by packages on Cooker?

2001-07-10 Thread guran

Hi

According to the specs of rpmlint-0.33, of 02 july, many problems could be 
ruled out, -- is it systematically used?

regards
guran




Re: [Cooker] Reply-To field

2001-07-10 Thread David Walluck

Christian Bricart wrote:

Nope, it's not.  In your mail, Reply-To: was set correctly, ie. to the list.

 
 And that's _not_ correct..
 
 http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
 
 Christian
 
 

And there are probably equally as many that say this is a good thing, 
including myself. Lists are meant to me shared among its users, unless 
the replier (or maybe sender) specifically thinks the message is 
off-topic. People setting their reply-to's to themselves only make it 
hard on me, who is trying to reply to the list in the first place, 
because that's what lists are for. In any case, each list has its own 
policy.

-- 
Sincerely,

David Walluck
[EMAIL PROTECTED]





Where is webmin ???!!!???!!!

2001-07-10 Thread Larry Blodgett

Anyone know where an rpm for webmin is for mandrake ppc beta?  Did I 
miss it some way?  How about some instructions on how to create it 
from a ppc source?
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Re: Where is webmin ???!!!???!!!

2001-07-10 Thread Brice D Ruth

To my knowledge, webmin is architecture independent (since it doesn't 
use any binaries) - hence, you need an RPM with the 'noarch' 
designation.  Here's one:

ftp://speakeasy.rpmfind.net/linux/Mandrake-devel/cooker/alpha/Mandrake/RPMS/webmin-0.87-1mdk.noarch.rpm

If you have any problems with this, post back to the list.

-Brice

Larry Blodgett wrote:

 Anyone know where an rpm for webmin is for mandrake ppc beta?  Did I 
 miss it some way?  How about some instructions on how to create it 
 from a ppc source?