Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] drakxtools-9.1-5mdk
On Mon, 2003-02-24 at 09:16, Thierry Vignaud wrote: drakgw: internet connection sharing - clean up tools embeddeding in the mcc o make it hard to freeze the mcc o make tools loo better when embedded (no embedded wait messages, ...) why don't we just get rid of mcc embedding, IMHO it's pretty pointless and looks really lame now with the new theme's? is there really a point to embedding the tools in mcc? advantages? why not just make mcc a launcher for the drakTools? --Brad
Re: [Cooker] mdkkdm - project goals? (So we can help)
On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 22:00, Ben Reser wrote: 'hey guys give Laurent the time to finish his program and make noise after' I think the whole thing is laughable. Mandrake whines about not having enough money to support their developers. But then goes and redevelopes the proverbial wheel. There are tons of things that have received far more complaints in reviews. Far more innovating things Laurent could be doing with his time, than simply rewriting a DM. I agree...and the point of complaining wasn't that the DM sucked (which in my opinion it does) it's that it they re-wrote KDM instead of creating a new Mandrake DM...so no matter how good it was (it could have been the best damn DM ever created) it shouldn't have *become* KDM --Brad
[Cooker] Installation beta 3 - Servers installed
I know this was brought up before as to if we really need this screen...and I am not sure that we do...but if we are going to keep it I have a suggestion: instead of listing them like cups, proftp, ..., etc I think it would be more useful to actually list them and give a brief description of what they are used for and what packages they selected to get them installed...something like: -- You are about to install the following servers and will be turned on by default Deselect the ones you do not want installed: (x) Cups: Printer stuff blah, blah, required for printing setup (x) ProFtp: Ftp server blah, blah, | Back || Next | or something along those lines. At the very least I think we should list them and describe what they are for and what packages use them. --Brad
[Cooker] Bitstream Fonts
From FootNotes (www.gnomedesktop.org) and OSNews: The GNOME Foundation has entered into an agreement with Bitstream who will donate ten high quality fonts to be used with free software (KDE, XFree86, Gnome as well as others). This means distributions can finally ship free desktops/applications with a set of high quality fonts. here is the official press release: http://www.gnome.org/pr-bitstreamfonts.html hopefully it won't take too long to actually release them...I wonder if it's too much wishful thinking for addition to 9.1?
Re: [Cooker] IMO: How Mandrake 9.1 Can Be The 'Killer App' forDesktop Linux
It's not the just the fonts, it's MCC in general that's very unresponsive. Even enabling the log window undrneath shows nought. The only way to check is a glance at cpu and/or mem activity=:o( MCC needs a lot more polishing, imho. HarM This is something that is going to need fixed...even if it is working correctly underneath...Users DO need sufficient feedback, especially windows/mac converts. I totally agree that MCC needs a lot of work...infact I have been thinking about this for a while too, ergonomics/usability: http://www.phatvibez.net/files/mandrake/draketools.html I started it about a month or so before the holiday season and have just now started to work on it again... Anybody that want's to help go through and totally trash MCC in terms of usability and ergonomics let me know. -Brad
Re: [Cooker] Package verification
rpmdrake/urpmi already verifies the gpg signature, so what else do you want? I think he's talking about the system installer...not the package installer, which also checks for sig's. During the install the first (or at least one of the first) steps asks if you want to verify your install cd's -Brad http://www.phatvibez.net
Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and its popup windows
I think the treeview and the wizard could work together quite nicely, afterall it's just a form that has a basic set of operations: choose the programs to install - wait for them to download/copy - (check the gpg keys) - install them - return to the beginning. rpmdrake is not what should become a wizard...the actuall installer is what should become a wizard, no tree's here that i remember... you should be able to select the rpm's you want installed through rpmdrake like you currently do, but when you click the install button it then brings up the installer wizard much like the old rpmdrake and installer worked... http://www.phatvibez.net/images/mdk8_1/rpminst_depend.jpg http://www.phatvibez.net/images/mdk8_1/rpminst_descrip.jpg http://www.phatvibez.net/images/mdk8_1/rpminst_progress.jpg a lot of that could be cut out now and simplified though probably. then, like the previous post said, wait to check the gpg sig's after all have been downloaded and display any errors. remember that the installer can be run outside of rpmdrake... like right clicking an rpm in konq. - open with - Software Installer. (which should be the default if just clicked but for me it opens in kpackage) currently this is what i get... http://www.phatvibez.net/files/mandrake/images/rpminstall/depends.png http://www.phatvibez.net/files/mandrake/images/rpminstall/badsig1.png http://www.phatvibez.net/files/mandrake/images/rpminstall/depends.png this is what my intial email was about, you get two bad sig popups right in a row. 2. many apps use popup windows for questions/warnings/etc, they are generally considered as good UI design they are a good thing, but like any good thing too many is not -Brad
Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and its popup windows
I agree too, and why does it have to warn me twice in a row (two differnt popup windows that are almost identical) warning me about gpg or other things? what was wrong with the old rpminstaller http://www.phatvibez.net/images/mdk8_1/rpminst_progress.jpg something like this again I think would me much prefered. --Brad
[Cooker] OSNews Review
I wanted to point out to everyone the OSNews review here http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1954 harshly true and to the point...
Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and its popup windows
You can either import the key... or rpmdrake -no-verify-rpm yes, i realize this...and that is what I do, but that's not the point -Brad
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
I in no way meant to cause a flame war by posting the link to that review. Do I agree with everything she says, of course not, but she does make *some* good points. Why did I post it: (1) to let you know the review was out there, regardless of your personal opinion of Eugenia OSNews is a fairly popular site read by many and now, like i knew it would all along, has been posted on Slashdot. (2) it is good to be aware of reviews/criticizms of your product no matter what you are selling, and regardless of who wrote them. The key to making any product better is by listening to the people that use your products (or even potential users)...now you can argue that she doesn't really use linux and I wouldn't disagree with you, but unfortunatly many people do have the same opinions she holds. It is pointless to post to this list and complain and trash Eugina... it is much more productive to read what anyone has to say and see if he/she makes a valid point and LOOK for ways to improve your product. Even if she only made one good point out of all of that, and that one opinion helped to change one single part of one application for the better it would be worth it. it doesn't matter if the review is 95% opinion, most reviews are...if it had been more favoriable this wouldn't be an issue. just my $0.02
Re: [Cooker] repost: follow-up to 9.0 and next
Here is what I initially posted on mandrakeforum but I wanted to know what others thought of this idea... part of the problem is that there are too many places users are reporting bugs (cooker, expert, forum, alt.os.linux.mandrake, and many others) I was going to suggest creating a fool-proof bug reporting wizard in MCC so that anybody, no matter how technically advanced or challenged they are, can report legitamate bug reports that are helpfull Looks like one has already been started! while pulling out every perl script I could find that deals with MCC so I could try my hand at hacking at it I found drakebug and drakebug_report I think this is definetly a step in the right direction but still needs a lot of improvement. Here is what I think should happen with this -user has a problem -user wants to report problem -user launches MCC - launches DrakeBugWizard (or whatever) -wizard guides them through series of easy question about the problem and automatically creates a report about system statistics + questions/answers from wizard and either (-) mails them somewhere automatically, or if email isn't available... (-) sends you to drakebug.mandraksoft.com (???), or if the net is not up... (-) export report to text file -then autoreply tells user Thanks...problem is being looked at by our experts It's just a thought I had. --Brad
Re: [Cooker] RPMDrake
I have grown to love the new RPMDrake, at first I was a little unsure, but after using it for a while I think it has promise. You can view the files of an rpm by right clicking on the information window and selecting Maximum information I agree it would probably be better to have a tab on the information window so that you can have the description/depends on one tab and a file list on the other --Brad On Thursday 03 October 2002 10:06 am, Palmer, Hilary wrote: For the next version for RPMDrake could you make it more like the previous version? I liked being able to switch between Install/Remove and being able to see what files are included with the package.
