[Cooker] RC3 - Problems after URPMI
Everytime I run urpmi under GNOME both gnome-terminal and nautilus stall for several minutes after urpmi is finished. /m --
Re: [Cooker] Menus again!
On Wed, 2002-08-21 at 22:31, Austin Acton wrote: > Are you kidding? As a newbie I tried about six distros, and one of the > main reasons I stuck with Mandrake was because it had the most complete > and intuitive menu. Which does not have any flaws and cannot be improved? On Wed, 2002-08-21 at 21:28, Frederic Crozat wrote: > This is YOUR opinion. We have another one. And Gnome menu layout > doesn't scale with all installed applications (not only GNOME > applications..) If the Gnome Menu does not fit the Mandrake User interface guidelines, it may as well be left out completely. If you insist on including it, a more appropriate name for it is "GNOME Menu" or better still just "GNOME" since the user knows it is a menu. 'menu GNOME' may make a lot of sense to French speaking people but sounds very strange in English. I understand that most Mandrake developers are French speaking, that is why forums like this exist so people can point out things that are overlooked. I doubt that the Mandrake Guidelines which you follow permit double entries with same titles. Such as two GNOME entries under Configuration? Finally, I thought it was obvious that everything I write here is MY OPINION, do you have an alternative way to propose improvements without stating one's opinion? I would appreciate the lesson so I can spare you the trouble next time. /michel
[Cooker] Menus again!
Dear Mandrake developers, I would like to bring your attention again to the problem with Menu Layout in Mandrake. The menu layout is currently unintuitive and confusing. (I have tested this under the GNOME environment, it may be different under KDE) Why not follow the Gnome HIG: http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/1.0/desktop-integration.html /michel
Re: [Cooker] Ugly and nonergonomic rpmdrake !!!
The new software management tools feel more polished and easier to use. I can't think of any regression. On the contrary, the old interface was kinda cluttered and intimidating for new users. More grease to the mandrakers for pulling this off in such a short time! /michel
Re: [Cooker] Galeon/Mozilla/Anti-aliased text
On Sun, 2002-08-18 at 16:19, Igor Izyumin wrote: > Hmm... By the way, is there a way to turn AA off for Mozilla/GTK? I > personally don't like AA text. It is used by many people to make bad fonts > look better, but my opinion is that you can't polish a turd. I much rather > prefer to install good truetype fonts (Micro$oft) without AA: they are both > more readable and look sharper than AA'd fonts. Micro$oft has pulled the plug. Check /. today's edition. /michel
Re: [Cooker] Beta3 - DrakX / passwords / keyboard layout
I suggest you guys should include the keyboard step in the recommended mode. It's already done in the expert mode. The summary is ok at the end but the user should get a chance to change the keyboard layout before entering the password. Most users won't even realize the problem until when they try to log in, which is too late. On Sun, 2002-08-18 at 12:39, Pixel wrote: > Michel Fodje <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > The install for Beta3 was quite nice and smooth. Good work! > > > > There is still one problem. For the recommended mode, the user gets to > > give the root password before getting a chance to set the keyboard > > layout. This is a big problem for users with non-default layouts, since > > there is a high probability that the password is not what the user > > expects it to be which will prevent them from logging in!! > > i think it's too late to move the summary step before the root > password one. > > what you can do is click on the "Keyboard" step :-/ > -- ___ Michel N. Fodje Molecular Biophysics, Lund University, Sweden phone: +46 46 222 45 13 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.mbfys.lu.se ___
[Cooker] Beta3 - DrakX / passwords / keyboard layout
The install for Beta3 was quite nice and smooth. Good work! There is still one problem. For the recommended mode, the user gets to give the root password before getting a chance to set the keyboard layout. This is a big problem for users with no-default layouts, since there is a hight probability that the password is not what the user expects it to be which will prevent them from logging in!! /michel
[Cooker] Galeon/Mozilla/Anti-aliased text
Is anti-aliased text supposed to work in Galeon/Mozilla? My experience with all the Betas so far is that it works occasionally. And when it doesn't, I see strange effects like overlapping text. Usually, reloading the page either brings back aa-text or fixes the overlap without bringing back aa-text, or has no effect at all. Has anyone observed this? /michel
Re: [Cooker] Aurora + Mandrake 9.0
I think you missed the point. If a user doesn't need to see something, don't show it to them. Everything should just work. The user should only see error messages if something fails. Too much explanations in Software of everything the system is doing implies the developer is drowned in the code rather than thinking more about the interface to the user. Professionalism doesn't have to do only with how beautiful it looks. It has more to do with how obvious the interface looks and how it doesn't get into the way of the user. The interface has to show that some thought has gone into the placement of almost every pixel on screen. It should feel natural. It doesn't mean that it should loose functionality, but that it shouldn't ask the user to make too many choices. Designing for newbies does not mean that the interface is meant for newbies. It means that newbies are the bottom line. It means that the interface should behave like what a reasonable person should expect it to behave if using it for the first time. Newbie != idiot Newbie != anti-geek Your last statement may have been meant as a joke but if you give a little bit of thought to it you realize it makes some sense, although you incorrectly implied that a newbie will not need a compiler. Just because somebody never used Linux before doesn't mean he doesn't need a compiler. Besides, why is Mandrake so poplular? Because they have a lower bottom line that most other distributions. Let me end by quoting Joelonsoftware: " http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapters/fog64.html ... there is a much worse kind of arrogance in software design: the arrogant assumption that "my software is so damn cool, people are just going to have to warp their brains around it." This kind of chutzpah is pretty common in the free software world. Hey, Linux is free! If you're not smart enough to decipher it, you don't deserve to be using it! " On Thu, 2002-08-15 at 05:06, Yura Gusev wrote: > I dont think that those messages make linux unprofessional or difficult > for newbies. They simply have to wait 10 sec for the GDM login screen (or > even autologin) and then login in their KDE and open StarOffice XMMS and > Mozilla. > Remember: > a) Build a system that any idiot can use and they will make a better idiot. > b) Build a system that any idiot can use and only idiots will use it. > Just a joke ;-) > > For the complete newbies i think we should make a new Mandrake distribution: > one CD, no compilers and development packages, no emacs ;-), > pre-configured programs and only one package for a task. > >
[Cooker] MenuDrake
Why is does mandrake using *Old* kde icons in the toolbar of Menudrake which is a gtk2 app? Why not just use the stock icons for items as common as save add, and delete? Bad Bad Bad for consistency. And is there any reason why the progress bar should be a floating dialog rather than embeded in the statusbar? The floating dialog sometimes gets hidded behind windows which is not very good IMHO. Just another 2 cents. /michel On Wed, 2002-08-14 at 10:00, Robert Fox wrote: > Again - Fresh install. The initial KDE menus were not complete (missing > stuff like Mozilla). I just had to run menudrake and all came back. > > Thx, > R.Fox > > >
[Cooker] Menu Layout
I think the Menu in Mandrake 9.0 needs more work. Areas that need to be ironed out include - removal of multiple entries - e.g under Configuration there are two GNOME entries - Some of the labels are misleading - e.g 'Boot and init' have GDM configurators under it. - There's an entry called 'Menu GNOME' int the main menu. Shouldn't this be called 'GNOME Menu' in english? - Why not hide the GNOME menu entirely if all its entries have been placed in other submenus Probably a redesign of the Menu layout will the worth the effort. A consisten menu layout provides extra polish to the desktop; isn't that the goad of mandrake? Just my 2 cents. Otherwise, Mandrake 9.0 is shweeet so far! Keep up the good work /michel
Re: [Cooker] Gnome apps not themed
Theres a program included in Cooker called gtk-theme-switch ( command : 'switch' ) which could enable switching themes for GTK1.2 apps . However, it doesn't produce valid gtkrc files when using custom fonts ( omits the fontset tag ) and conflicts with the built-in shell command 'switch' so you have to specify the full path on the command line or just use the menu. On Wed, 2002-08-14 at 14:29, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2002-08-14 at 13:06, Richard Tango-Lowy wrote: > > On a fresh install of 9.0 beta 2, very few of my gnome apps are honoring > > the GTK theme. When I change the theme, everything still comes up with > > the "default" theme except the panel and the gnome control center > > capplets. > > You're probably only changing the GTK2 theme. Since GTK2 came out > there's two GTK themes on any system with both, the GTK1.2 theme and the > GTK2 theme. Many apps are still GTK1.2, not GTK2; thus changing the GTK2 > theme won't affect these apps. To watch this effect, for instance try > installing X-Chat 1.8.10 from the MDK rpm and X-Chat 1.9.1 (not 1.9.2, > it's broken) from source on www.xchat.org . Run both, now change the GTK > theme as you were doing. X-Chat 1.8.10 should honour the change, but > 1.9.1 won't; this is because X-Chat 1.8.x is a GTK1.2 app but X-Chat > 1.9.x is GTK2. IIRC a way to change GTK1.2 theme has recently been > incorporated into Cooker, but I forget where/what it is. > -- > adamw > > -- ___ Michel N. Fodje Molecular Biophysics, Lund University, Sweden phone: +46 46 222 45 13 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.mbfys.lu.se ___
Re: [Cooker] LM8.0beta3 and sis530
acar wrote: > > On Tuesday 03 April 2001 19:44, you wrote: > > I have problems with install of LM8beta3 on computer with sis530 video > > chipset in PCCHIPS 598LMR motherboard. > > > > With Mandrake Linux 7.1 all works fine, but with LM 7.2 and 8.0 I cann't > > configure fine this video driver, I can use KDE but with a bad look. > > > > I tried to use xfree 3.8.6 and xfree 4.0.3 and have same problem. > > > > The video driver for this chipset is uptodate? Someone can use LM 8 with > > this chipset? > > > > Sorry, my english is bad ;) > > > > Thanks > > > > You need to use expert mode install and choose 3.3.6 with acceleration. > Nothing else is likely to work. > I have the sis530 chipset as well. There are a 3.3.6 works as suggested above. I am currently using it under 4.0.3 without problems but I had to do the following changes. During install it is detected as sis620 but I doubt that it makes a difference as the same driver is used. Try the following: Make sure the default depth is 16bit. I tried 24 bit but got very slow performance although everything was working. Add the following to XF86Config-4 manually under the device section: Option "FastVram" Option "noaccel" Probably these options could be added automatically by XFdrake for the SIS530 Michel
Re: [Cooker] Double mounting!
I have the same problem with double mounting of root
[Cooker] Gnome 1.4
Is it too late for Gnome 1.4 to make it to Mandrake 8.0? Michel
Re: [Cooker] LM 8.0b2 -> 2 thumbs DOWN
"R.I.P. Deaddog" wrote: > > I'm afraid you can't use it with k6-2 system? > WRONG! I have a k6-2 450 Mhz 128-MB ram SIS 530 REALTEK rtl8139 IDE HARD DRIVE, CDROM Both network & CDROM installs work fine. Even identifies correct amount of ram. Try passing ram options on booting the installer. Michel N. Fodje
Re: [Cooker] YaTE
Randy Kramer wrote: > BTW: Do I detect a little bit of sarcasm in the suggestion to have, for > example, a Linux Torvalds selection? (or the poll?) > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> We could even have a Linus Torvalds selection etc etc. ...and hope that > > > we don't have more selections to select from than packages. Sorry. No sarcasm intended here. What I mean is that with this suggestion that we have lists of packages that different people would like to use ( a Linus Torvalds list being a list of programs that Linus would like to have on his machine) we may end up with thousands of such lists that would bring us to square one. Remember, the problem we are trying to solve is the number of programs to choose from and the unnecessary duplication of function introduced by installing many programs doing the same thing. Michel.
Re: [Cooker] YaTE
Klaas Barends wrote: > Maybe it would be an idea to give the mandrake install a beginner > option. Which wouldn't install five different types of programs > for everything. Good idea, or maybe we should have preselected lists with just one type of program for each task for the recommended install Just as an example you could have a classic selection for those who like to stay in the 70s or 80s. This would include just mwm or twm as window managers for example. We could even have a Linus Torvalds selection etc etc. ...and hope that we don't have more selections to select from than packages. You could easily find out from a poll which program would belong to which category. > > The more advanced user can of course easily choose between the > different options, but the beginner hasn't got a clue, and > probably gets confused. > When I look at the KDE menu it gives me three different kind of > editors, and vi and emacs get installed as well (When all you > really need is vi :) ), it gives me loads op media and cdplayers > (besides the console ones) etc. etc. > > -- > mvg. Klaas Barends > http://www.linuxnewbie.nl/
Re: [Cooker] X4.0.2 & SiS6326 = invisible graphics
The same with SiS530 Con Kolivas wrote: > With previous unsupported RPMS and a full cooker install with the most > current 4.0.2-8mdk rpms for xfree86 there is a problem with X and the > SiS6326 AGP card. Testing fails with a black screen (in 4.0.1 it > didn't) but does not hang the machine. Then when X is actually started > (whether it be Aurora or a full X session with the login screen) there > are no visible graphics or text - only colours and dialog boxes. > Ctrl-alt-F1 to a console and then back to F7 makes the graphics and > text then visible and it works fine from here on. It's almost like > some last step is forgotten... I'm not sure if this is an X problem > per se or a problem with the RPMS but I've not seen it work yet with > any other RPMS. > > Otherwise, keep up the good work! > > Con Kolivas > > __ > Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au
[Cooker] install, xfs, TrueType fonts
Has anyone noticed that xfs occationally decides to die on you when using TrueType fonts. When this happens, only /etc/init.d/xfs stop ; /etc/init.d/xfs start can solve the problem, not even /etc/init.d/xfs restart I must add that although there are major changes in mdk 8.0 Beta, the install was my slowest mandrake installation ever, irrespective of size. The Traktors don't look that good when the time remaining stays at 2 minutes for about 10 minutes and you can't even tell if its actually still installing or has just stalled. Michel
