[Cooker] [Bug 3995] [Xtart] FluxBox is not listed by Xtart
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3995 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-01-07 21:50 --- I think, on the basis of the report with no further info, that the bug is in packaging of another WM where the file it creates in /etc/X11/wmsession.d begins with the characters 16 same as fluxbox, and it would not matter which version of Xtart was addressed, the problem would remain. I am preparing Xtart-1.1-1mdk which does NOT use any part of the filenames in /etc/X11/wmsession.d since we cannot reasonably prevent packagers from duplicating the leading two digits on files in /etc/X11/wmsession.d. I expect to have it shippe to Warly soon, like Friday. The coding is done but I have to restore gpg and packaging macros to the computer I am using. Incidentally, Xtart works fine on RH9 and Debian versions. Civileme -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: ASSIGNED creation_date: description: When launching Xtart, FluxBox is not in the list of available WM After install of other WM, they appear, but still not Fluxbox. I use latest Cooker Fluxbox and Xtart rpms, Fluxbox is listed by GDM.
[Cooker] [Bug 3995] [Xtart] FluxBox is not listed by Xtart
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3995 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|RESOLVED Resolution||FIXED --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-01-07 22:26 --- Received from Fabien ILLIDE: his /etc/X11/wmsession.d -rw-r--r--1 root root 117 jun 26 13:38 01KDE -rw-r--r--1 root root 129 jun 2 13:59 02GNOME -rw-r--r--1 root root 129 jun 6 18:02 02GNOME.rpmnew -rw-r--r--1 root root 224 jan 21 11:53 03WindowMaker -rw-r--r--1 root root 133 jun 24 16:29 04Enlightenment -rw-r--r--1 root root 148 fév 24 19:43 05blackbox -rw-r--r--1 root root 142 aoû 19 2002 06XFce -rw-r--r--1 root root 143 avr 3 13:00 07IceWM -rw-r--r--1 root root 136 mar 26 18:17 08Sawfish -rw-r--r--1 root root 101 déc 27 2002 09fvwm2 -rw-r--r--1 root root 126 mai 1 02:19 14ion -rw-r--r--1 root root 108 mai 1 02:14 14ion-metadome -rw-r--r--1 root root 142 nov 10 2002 14qvwm -rw-r--r--1 root root 134 mar 15 03:47 15AfterStep -rw-r--r--1 root root 99 jun 1 20:34 16evilwm -rwxr-xr-x1 root root 159 mai 9 08:53 16fluxbox* -rw-r--r--1 root root 127 déc 28 2002 16Waimea -rw-r--r--1 root root 131 jun 19 17:14 17Rox According to the coding of Xtart, only one of evilwm, fluxbox, or Waimea would be visible, and similarly for ion, ion-metadome, and qvwm. I am accepting this as a bug in Xtart and offering a revised version Xtart-1.1. It tests OK but is less convenient which is what kept me from releasing it earlier. It does not use a numerical menu but rather one based on the Names of the WMs taken from the NAME field of the files in /etc/X11/wmsession.d. Expect an srpm Friday. Civileme Civileme -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: RESOLVED creation_date: description: When launching Xtart, FluxBox is not in the list of available WM After install of other WM, they appear, but still not Fluxbox. I use latest Cooker Fluxbox and Xtart rpms, Fluxbox is listed by GDM.
[Cooker] [Bug 3995] [Xtart] FluxBox is not listed by Xtart
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3995 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |ASSIGNED Ever Confirmed||1 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-01-07 01:36 --- Xtart reads the files in directory /etc/X11/wmsession.d to get its list of names and numbers. If the numeric beginning of the filenames duplicates, only one will be shown. If the NAME field of the file 16fluxbox is incorrect, Xtart will show only the contents. No fluxbox was available on cooker. I need to see the directory of /etc/X11/wmsession.d on the reporting machine and also the contents of /etc/X11/wmsession.d/16fluxbox. Basically three things could have happened: 1. The fluxbox file is not being set up by the installation package 2. The file has a blank or incorrect name field 3. another WM is being packaged with name beginning with digits 16 I do have a version of Xtart which reads all files and uses the NAME field and the descreiption fields rather than any part of the file name, but I never released it. It appears that it might be appropriate to avoid packaging errors. Civileme -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: ASSIGNED creation_date: description: When launching Xtart, FluxBox is not in the list of available WM After install of other WM, they appear, but still not Fluxbox. I use latest Cooker Fluxbox and Xtart rpms, Fluxbox is listed by GDM.
Re: [Cooker] Internet Connection Sharing on one interface card
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Ramon Casha [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Internet Connection Sharing utility in Mandrake Control Centre (8.2) does not list eth0 or any aliases. Apparently there is an assumption that the internet connection won't be on the same interface card. However, this can easily be the case with, for instance, ADSL connections. It only lists available interfaces. I have successfully set up my ADSL connection, using eth0 with the address 10.0.0.10 making the connection to the modem, and eth0:0 with the address 192.168.0.1 set up as the connection-sharing interface. I had to twist the configuration script's arms a little to make it accept eth0:0 but it worked. Perhaps this limitation can be removed from the script -- unless there was a good reason for its inclusion that is. What is eth0:0? Well, that is the classic poor man's router wherein multiple IP addresses can be assigned to the same card by setting them up as eth0:0 eth0:1 etc. Some claim it reduces latency in routing/masquerading situations though for the life of me I don't see how. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Why ?
Murray J. Root wrote: On 06 Jul 2002 12:46:19 +0400 Borsenkow Andrej [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ÷ óÂÔ, 06.07.2002, × 12:27, Mattias Dahlberg ÎÁÐÉÓÁÌ: On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, Todd Lyons wrote: ls -l /etc/cron.daily ls -l /etc/cron.hourly Remove the msec link and you get rid of a small portion of the clobbering. Remove the slocate link and you get rid of a good bit of the clobbering. Remove the logrotate and you run out of disk space soon. It's up to you really. Would it be a better idea to make the users who want slocate put it in cron.dialy instead? And not have it there by default. or put it generally - we need drakcron for easy configuration of cron tasks :-) Use Webmin - any easier and I'd feel stupid using it. :) For the why? the answer is in the frogs. An ordinary frog goes ribbit, ribbit and a budfrog goes bud ,,, Weis... Er, but a winforg goes reboot, reboot, reboot Obviously these tasks have to be accomplished at intervals. Some are asking if the slocate and makewhatis can be done less frequently for a workstation install, and that is possible (move them from cron.daily to cron.weekly, for instance), perhaps as a default install measure for recommended installs. But before such a decision is made, how about a few cooker types making the move and reporting how many times they resorted to updatedb and makewhatis from a terminal out of frustration.. Especially those who ask why. That data to back a decision would be really helpful. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] where's pine?
Oden Eriksson wrote: Hi. pine is gone from the repository, why? Pine has become a more restrictive than previous license. ... It is no longer open source by any stretch of the imagination. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] where's pine?
Geoffrey Lee wrote: On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 04:40:44PM +0200, Oden Eriksson wrote: On Thursday 27 June 2002 13.19, civileme wrote: Oden Eriksson wrote: Hi. pine is gone from the repository, why? longer open source by any stretch of the imagination. Hmmm..., very annoying... But what about the imap-2000 junk as it's the same authors AFAIK http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/legal.html covers PINE. It seems we were misinterpreting their intent earlier so they changed the wording, but pine always did have a licensing problem in terme of free software, now it is not even classifiable as open-source. Of course, aficianados can always DL it from UW. http://www.washington.edu/imap/legal.html is not GPL but the UW Free-Fork license which does allow modification/redistribution and requires source to be available--apparently a free software license. Civileme glee@tolstoy ~ $ rpm -qi imap Name: imap Relocations: (not relocateable) Version : 2000c Vendor: MandrakeSoft Release : 7.1mdkBuild Date: Tue May 28 00:13:31 2002 Install date: Thu May 30 01:57:26 2002 Build Host: updates.mandrakesoft.com Group : System/ServersSource RPM: imap-2000c-7.1mdk.src.rpm Size: 4277484 License: BSD [...] That's fairly unrestrictive. It's unfortunate that pine has got such a license (if you like free software anyway :-) ... find a replacement if it really bothers you that it's not in the distrib. -- Geoff.
Re: [Cooker] Re: e
freeserve wrote: Have you guys bothered to get e working on Mandrake yet? Or do you still only pretend to! Baz Well, I use E on Mandrake 8.2 and I have no problem. Your post is misplaced. If you have some configuration you really want E to have out of the box or some special functionality, then go to http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/frpmapps.php3 and follow the procedures. Surprisingly, if you run into snags in that process, help will usually be available from someone on this list. Posts like this which can be construed as rude, and/or flamebait are unlikely to further your desires. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?
Brook Humphrey wrote: Not trying to start a flame war I would really like to find a good mta and that doesn't include sendmail. First I would like to know if this vulnerability still exists or if it has been fixed in mandrake? http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/security/mdk-updates.php3?dis=8.1 You will see there that postfix has been fixed on 2-28-2002 and on 11-29-2001. We keep up with real exploits, and our security team issues fixes. Normally a question like that would not get an answer on this list. May I suggest aubacribiung to a help list like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Civileme
Re: [Cooker] 8.2 won't install on a Promise 20268
Nick Murtagh wrote: Hi I tried installing 8.2 on my shiny new Promise Ultra100 TX2 card, which uses the PDC20268 chip. It hangs at the detecting partitions stage. I think this may have been fixed in the -ac series, with patches from Promise themselves. Yep, Promise fixed its own bug. So my question is, how do I go about installing 8.2 on my machine? Should I try making a boot CD with a newer kernel? Presumably I'd have to make a new El Torito image. What are the proper steps for this? Why not use an old install image by booting from CD2? Or is there a way to make a boot floppy with the kernel of my choice and then continue the install from the CDROM? If the worst comes to the worst, I can try upgrading my 8.1 installation, getting the card working there, and then copying stuff to the new disks, but I'd rather make a clean break from what is, at this stage, a well customized installation :) Nick Civileme
Re: [Cooker] 8.2 upgrade: swapping CDs
Michal 'hramrach' Suchanek wrote: Perhaps I did something wrong, but I was unble to install packages from 3rd CD during upgrade to 8.2. I was asked to insert CD3 again and again until I skipped it. Anybody else experiencing this? Yep, I have an 8x CD on an IBM that does this every time, and sometimes rejects CD2. It is the CD drive and swapping it did the trick. Alternatively it is the burner but I don't have money to buy a new one. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] checksum question
Tech At Mathco Dot Com wrote: I wonder if there is a way to checksum a burned cd ? Sometimes when burning a ISO with Nero or Easy CD Creator the some files gets currupted and won't read from the CD. /MattB Hmmm, well, try a diff against the iso file on the hard disk or on the CD reader or use md5sum. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] 8.2 Upgrade Problem - ADSL
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I tried to upgrade my LM8.1 to 8.2 (using the upgrade option). My PC is behind a firewall which is connected to the net via ADSL. To get 8.1 to connect to the net I had to set MTU on eth0 to 1492. That worked OK, but during the upgrade 8.2 goes to the net for the latest fixes. In my case the upgrade just hangs because eth0's MTU is reset to 1500 during the upgrade. All I can do is power down and try to recover. Any suggestions? Dallas PC is IBM PC300PL - PII 300Mhz, 128Mb RAM, eepro ethernet. Download the software and use a hard disk install or burn CDs. Network installs will be hanging anyway for a long time because mirrors are so busy. There is no way to override the MTU for the network install from the install side. This is the first time we have encountered a firewall like that, but great thanks for the analysis. Good Job! Civileme
Re: [Cooker] fdisk core dumps when fixing partition-table
andre wrote: This is my partition table, and if you look at hda12 you see that that doesn't look right. I made that with diskdrake but now i want to delete it and that doesn't seem to work because fdisk core dumped itself before writing the partition-table. How do you fix this # fdisk -l /dev/hda Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 4865 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device BootStart EndBlocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 1214 9751423+ c Win95 FAT32 (LBA) /dev/hda2 1215 1444 1847475 4f QNX4.x 3rd part /dev/hda3 1445 4110 214146455 Extended /dev/hda5 1445 1769 2610531 83 Linux /dev/hda6 1770 1819401593+ 82 Linux swap /dev/hda7 3059 3346 2313328+ 83 Linux /dev/hda8 3347 3728 3068383+ 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/hda9 1820 2390 4586526 83 Linux /dev/hda10 2391 3058 5365678+ 83 Linux /dev/hda11 3729 4110 3068383+ 83 Linux /dev/hda12 4111 4866 6069073+ a5 FreeBSD Partition table entries are not in disk order #fdisk /dev/hda Command (m for help): d Partition number (1-12): 12 Command (m for help): w Maximale bestandsgrootte overschreden (core dumped) Tried it with a rescue cd. It works. Seems more something to do with msec/quota than with fdisk itself. HEY --- Partition 12 SHOULD BE 4, not 12. Your extended partitions end at 4110 so the one at 4111 should be primary. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Windows XP, NT file system not detected
John Moen wrote: On Thursday 21 March 2002 01:36 pm, Liam R.E.Quin wrote: A couple of WIn XP users have said to me they installed Mandrake Linux (both 8.1 and 8.2) and /mnt/windows wasn't there. I had an 8.2 user run diskdrake, and the windows partition (C:) was shown grey other, i.e. not recognised. It might be a good idea to get diskdrake to recognise an ntfs file system automatically rather than making people edit fstab afterwards, if possible. Diskdrake recognises an ntfs files ystem ! I altso dualboot with win XP and it works fine this is taken from lilo.conf : other=/dev/hda1 label=old2_NT table=/dev/hda Ok! I can't get to it from Mandrake, but I think that's ok. John Remember: NTFS on winnt4 == secret, proprietary filesystem NTFS on nt5 (w2k) == secret, proprietary filessystem incompatible with previous NTFS on XP==secret, propeietary filesystem incompatible with w2k version all of course are upgrade-compatible (sorta) All require reverse engineering. And the patches weren't ready when 8.1 was released, so it is not amazing at all that reading and writing were blocked.For the old NTFS4, reading and experimental writing are available, and soon the features for reading might be made available for the others. And of course if a user has an ntfs filesystem up, diskdrake will not shrink the partition to make room for Mandrake, so there will be some problems, but so far all the computers shipped with XP installed, which I have seen, are using FAT32. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] What about a new 'distribution' mode ?]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for me it sounds really a good idea. after downloading and installing iso version, if i know that the boxed version will fix some errors i met, i'll buy it:) Hello cookers, What about a new mode of Mandrake Linux distribution mode : - Now : we have a 3 stages of validation (QA process) for the distribution : * One two or three betas after the cooker work. * One, two or maybe three release candidate with a deep freeze in cooker tree * The final step is the announce (on that ever media) and, I think, the transfert of the final master to the printing packaging departement + the mirroring to the ftp sites. - Proposal : why not add a step at the end following this pattern : * One two or three betas after the cooker work. * One, two or maybe three release candidate with a deep freeze in cooker tree * The final step is the announce (on that ever media) and make available on the FTP site the GPL cds * wait one more couple of days to squizze the last bugs that apeears with the final rush and then transfert of the final master to the printing packaging departement + the mirroring to the ftp sites. This way has some big advantages : - the boxed version could be more stable. - the 3 CDs are for internet people and not the average people who could wait a little more to have their box. - no more offficial update just after the launch of the boxed version. - a more professionnal approch (less on the bleeding edge, more safe you are) - you will be more covered by the media (one article for the GPL CDs, one for the box version) - You could do a two distribution ways : * sell the GPL CDs without _any_ stuff (including books, ...) for people who want to be the first. * sell the boxed version a few weeks after with the corrected version nd the books, the support, ... People who use the first version will have to update their distribution when the boxed version is ready via internet, that's all. Please ask if I am not clear enough. Bye, Laurent -- Penser pour un bon nombre de femmes est plutot un accident heureux qu'un etat permanent. E.Stern --- Envoy The problem is that it is _NOT_ a couple of days. Testing the bugfixes is necessary lest they have side effects that bite us in the butt after release. That is why the final week will never see small bugfixes, only release critical ones. For example, a new kernel made during that week might pass Cerberus, but it would still have to be used a while to check other things and unanticipated side effects. Remember 8.1 with a late addition of iptables? It broke internet connection sharing on reboot, which was a large source of support requests, expensive out of all proportion to its significance. Still, it might be a good idea to schedule this in, but look at longer than a couple of days with a deep freeze in effect. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake way of life
wyrmzr wrote: On Wednesday 20 March 2002 10:39, you wrote: Kmail and evolution are very good email agents , but for me when I use outlook it doesn't hang with 1 mail big problem of windows are stability and viruses ... big problem of linux have no good acceleration for video and is not yet stable, I think also that for laptop is very not at the level of windows since suspend , irda , incorporated mouse does not work well to not say at all... (Warning:I like a lot linux , and I saying this only for pointing on problems that I do not like to see in the future) Thanks for the very great disribution you've made , Meir Faraj - Original Message - snip I'd have to agree that laptop support is lacking yet in several areas, but 3d acceleration depends a lot on what card you have, and whether the manufacturer is willing to write drivers for Linux. My NVidia GeForce2 Ultra works great, I can watch dvds in Linux, and many apps, including OpenGL, run much smoother than win2k. Personally, even when I use win2k, I don't use outlook because of the huge security issues. And I stay behind a hardware firewall to keep the hackers out. Not that win2k is used much by me anymore, since I can now play many of my games in Linux with winex(thanks to transgaming). And as far as stability goes, I have had no problem running RC1 on my work system, running several days straight without a reboot is not a problem. No such luck with win2k, something eventually bogs it down and forces me to reboot. All in all, I can't wait for Linux to get a stronger hold on the desktop market. For my purposes, it's already there. For laptops, realize this: 1. To cram all that functionality in a small package, compromises are made with the accepted industry standards. 2. The hardware engineers do their best, then the software people take over and write customized windows drivers to make up for the deficiencies. 3. Linux generally supplies drivers built for the accepted standard. Specialized drivers are supplied if open-source. 4. Notebook support for linux will be adequate when notebook manufacturers start selling notebooks equipped with linux. Until then, it is a game of chance and tweaking. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] rpm assistance needed (tricky one)
Bryan Paxton wrote:
On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 00:47, civileme wrote:
Let's see the .spec file and your .rpmrc and .rpmmacros files (that is,
the ones in /home/evil7
Civileme
%define name gaim
%define version 0.54
%define release 1mdk
%define prefix /usr
%define perl_version %(rpm -q --qf '%%{VERSION}' perl)
Summary: A Gnome client compatible with AOL's 'Instant Messenger'
Name: %{name}
Version: %{version}
Release: %{release}
Group: Networking/Instant messaging
BuildRequires: esound-devel gtk+-devel perl-devel
Requires: common-licenses, perl-base = %{perl_version}
License: GPL
Epoch: 1
Url: http://gaim.sourceforge.net
Source: http://download.sourceforge.net/gaim/%{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2
Source1: %{name}_icons.tar.bz2
Patch1: gaim-0.50-autoadd.patch.bz2
BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-buildroot
%description
Gaim allows you to talk to anyone using AOL's
Instant Messenger service (you can sign up at http://www.aim.aol.com).
It uses the TOC version of the AOL protocol, so your buddy list is
stored on AOL's servers and can be retrieved from anywhere.
It contains many of the same features as AOL's IM client while at
the same time incorporating many new features.
Gaim also contains a multiple connection feature which consists of
protocol plugins. These plugins allow you to use gaim to connect
to other chat services such as Yahoo!, ICQ, and IRC.
%package applet
Summary:A Gnome client compatible with AOL's 'Instant Messenger'
Group: Applications/Internet
Requires: gtk+ = 1.2.5
%description applet
Gaim allows you to talk to anyone using AOL's
Instant Messenger service (you can sign up at http://www.aim.aol.com).
It uses the TOC version of the AOL protocol, so your buddy list is
stored on AOL's servers and can be retrieved from anywhere.
It contains many of the same features as AOL's IM client while at
the same time incorporating many new features.
Gaim also contains a multiple connection feature which consists of
protocol plugins. These plugins allow you to use gaim to connect
to other chat services such as Yahoo!, ICQ, and IRC.
The applet sits in your Gnome panel. It has all the same functionality
as the regular application but takes less desktop space.
%prep
%setup -q -n %name-%version
%patch1 -p1 -b .autoadd
bzcat %{SOURCE1} | tar xvf -
%build
%configure2_5x --disable-static -disable-gnome --disable-artsc
%make
if [ -d $RPM_BUILD_ROOT ]; then rm -r $RPM_BUILD_ROOT; fi;
mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{prefix}
%make prefix=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{prefix} install
%make -C src mostlyclean-compile
%make -C src gaim_applet
%install
%makeinstall bitsdata=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/%{_datadir}
bitssysconf=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/%{_sysconfdir}
#icons
mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/%{_miconsdir}
mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/%{_liconsdir}
cd $RPM_BUILD_DIR/%{name}-%{version}
install -m 644 %{name}_16.xpm $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/%{_miconsdir}/%{name}.xpm
install -m 644 %{name}_32.xpm $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/%{_iconsdir}/%{name}.xpm
install -m 644 %{name}_48.xpm $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/%{_liconsdir}/%{name}.xpm
install -m755 licq2gaim.pl $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/%{_bindir}/licq2gaim
# Menu
mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/lib/menu
cat $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/lib/menu/gaim EOF
?package(gaim): command=/usr/bin/gaim needs=X11 \
icon=gaim.xpm section=Networking/Instant messaging \
title=Gaim longtitle=AOL Instant Messenger clone
EOF
%{find_lang} %{name}
%post
%{update_menus}
%postun
%{clean_menus}
%files -f %{name}.lang
%defattr(-,root,root)
%doc doc/*.txt doc/[A-Z][A-Z]*
%doc NEWS ABOUT-NLS AUTHORS README* TODO ChangeLog
%doc HACKING INSTALL
%attr(755,root,root) %{_bindir}/*
%{_libdir}/menu/*
%dir %{_libdir}/gaim/
%{_libdir}/gaim/*.so*
%{_mandir}/*/*
%{_datadir}/gnome/apps/*/*
%{_datadir}/pixmaps/*
%{_iconsdir}/%{name}.xpm
%{_miconsdir}/%{name}.xpm
%{_liconsdir}/%{name}.xpm
%files applet
%defattr(-,root,root)
%attr(755,root,root) %{prefix}/bin/gaim_applet
%doc doc/the_penguin.txt doc/CREDITS NEWS COPYING AUTHORS doc/FAQ README ChangeLog
plugins/PERL-HOWTO HACKING
%{prefix}/lib/gaim/*
%{prefix}/share/locale/*/*/*
%{prefix}/share/pixmaps/gaim.xpm
%{prefix}/share/pixmaps/gaim/*
%{prefix}/share/gnome/apps/Internet/gaim.desktop
%{sysconfdir}/CORBA/servers/*
%{prefix}/share/applets/Network/*
%clean
rm -r $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
%changelog
* Mon Mar 18 2002 Bryan Paxton [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0.54-1mdk
- Updated gaim
- Changed summary
- Changed description
- Added sub package applet
- Use --disable-gnome --disable-artsc for compatibility reasons on %configure
- Remove smiley-patch (broken anyway)
- use %configure2_5x
It looks like it is hitting final destination directories during
install, which may be a problem of .rpmmacros or of the install script
itself... (Still need to see your .rpmmacros file)
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
Michael Braun wrote: Hi, only a short question. Will Mandrake really put a full version of StarOffice 6.0 in there PowerPack or ProPack or would it be a BETA Version??? Michael It's real, not beta, according to SUN. Whether you consider it BETA or not is up to you. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 RC1-Logitech Optical Mouse (PS/2) recognition
Karine ZUERCHER wrote: MDK 8.2 RC1 fails to recognize Logitech Optical Mouse (PS/2). I can use the mouse well up to the Mouse Configuration section. There it is recognized as a standard PS/2. Clicking OK, the tester gives an awfull result, so I need to cancel with the keybord, then select Logitech MouseMan and cancel in the tester, to finally get PS/2 Wheel Mouse tester to get me the right result (if I choose PS/2 Wheel Mouse right from the begin, it won't work). (My Hardware: Intel Pentium III 733MHz ASUS P2BF 512MB SDRAM Graphic Card: ATI Rage 128 - 32MB TVout SCSI adapter: AHA-2940 U2W Pioneer DVD-ROM (ATAPI DVD-106s) 16x CDRW Yamaha CRW8824s (SCSI) Sound Card: Creative Live ) Sometimes you need to sit and spin the wheel for a while to get the mouse recognized. I have successfully set up every optical wheel mouse I have tried _by_being_patient_. It can take a minute for the software to get it right. Spin the wheel and then try the buttons then move the mouse. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 RC1:seg fault during installation
Karine ZUERCHER wrote:
At the MDK 8.2 RC1 installation stage where it copying the packages to the
HD, I get errors randomly on packages (once this one, the next try, another
one) and sometimes the whole installation freezes with a:
Segmentation fault: seems like memory is missing as the installation crashes.
(My Hardware:
Intel Pentium III 733MHz
ASUS P2BF
512MB SDRAM
Graphic Card: ATI Rage 128 - 32MB TVout
SCSI adapter: AHA-2940 U2W
Pioneer DVD-ROM (ATAPI DVD-106s) 16x
CDRW Yamaha CRW8824s (SCSI)
Sound Card: Creative Live
HD config:
hda: (7500rpm UDMA66)
hda1 2.4GB vfat (c:\)
hda5 3GB ext2 (/mnt/old-home)
hda6 256MB swap
hda7 4GB ext3 (/mnt/old-root)
hda8 7GB vfat
hdb: (7500rpm 40GB)
hdb1 20GBvfat
hdb5 4GB ext3 (/)
hdb6 512MB swap
hdb7 15GBext3 (/home)
)
That is not a problem of RC1. That is most likely a problem with the
HDD hardware, or possibly with the CD. Sometrimes very high speed
drives have the wrong rotational latency and don't read the CDs well,
but more often it is on the /mnt side where the packages are being
installed where {DriveReady SeekComplete} errors occur.
Without seeing your system a little more clearly, I am shooting in the
dark, but my bet is either the burn is not reading well or your drives
are WD brand, which is where I have seen 98% of these reported problems.
Western Digital _officially_ does not support linux or most other op
systems, only windows and Solaris (the latter only with their SCSI
line). One of the reasons is that their hardware requires special
drivers to make up for a deficiency in regard to the required 57 byte
CRC for ATA-66 or higher, which the drive does not do.
Civileme
Re: [Cooker] rpm assistance needed (tricky one)
Bryan Paxton wrote: I'm getting a permission denied on %install, problem is finding out where the permission denied is coming from. Can't strace as a normal user, so that's out of site : ) No it's not my kernel patches (ruled that out by booting into the default mdk kernel). And finally, no it's not the permissions on ~/rpm/* dev tools? Maybe, but I have full access on my system to them, further more, I had no problem building and installing garnome the other day to ~/garnome So, here is what happens at %install SNIP + '[' -d /home/evil7/rpm/tmp/gaim-buildroot ']' + make -j2 prefix=/home/evil7/rpm/tmp/gaim-buildroot/usr install Making install in m4 make[1]: Entering directory `/home/evil7/rpm/BUILD/gaim-0.54/m4' make[2]: Entering directory `/home/evil7/rpm/BUILD/gaim-0.54/m4' make[2]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'. make[2]: Nothing to be done for `install-data-am'. make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/evil7/rpm/BUILD/gaim-0.54/m4' make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/evil7/rpm/BUILD/gaim-0.54/m4' Making install in sounds make[1]: Entering directory `/home/evil7/rpm/BUILD/gaim-0.54/sounds' make[2]: Entering directory `/home/evil7/rpm/BUILD/gaim-0.54/sounds' make[2]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'. make[2]: Nothing to be done for `install-data-am'. make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/evil7/rpm/BUILD/gaim-0.54/sounds' make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/evil7/rpm/BUILD/gaim-0.54/sounds' Making install in plugins make[1]: Entering directory `/home/evil7/rpm/BUILD/gaim-0.54/plugins' make[2]: Entering directory `/home/evil7/rpm/BUILD/gaim-0.54/plugins' make[2]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'. /bin/sh ../mkinstalldirs /usr/lib/gaim /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./autorecon.so /usr/lib/gaim/autorecon.so /usr/bin/install: cannot remove `/usr/lib/gaim/autorecon.so': Permission denied /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./autoadd.so /usr/lib/gaim/autoadd.so /usr/bin/install: cannot remove `/usr/lib/gaim/autoadd.so': Permission denied /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./chatlist.so /usr/lib/gaim/chatlist.so /usr/bin/install: cannot remove `/usr/lib/gaim/chatlist.so': Permission denied /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./iconaway.so /usr/lib/gaim/iconaway.so /usr/bin/install: cannot remove `/usr/lib/gaim/iconaway.so': Permission denied /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./notify.so /usr/lib/gaim/notify.so /usr/bin/install: cannot remove `/usr/lib/gaim/notify.so': Permission denied /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./spellchk.so /usr/lib/gaim/spellchk.so /usr/bin/install: cannot remove `/usr/lib/gaim/spellchk.so': Permission denied make[2]: *** [install-pluginDATA] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/evil7/rpm/BUILD/gaim-0.54/plugins' make[1]: *** [install-am] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/evil7/rpm/BUILD/gaim-0.54/plugins' make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 error: Bad exit status from /home/evil7/rpm/tmp/rpm-tmp.98467 (%build) Any ideas? Shoot 'em my way : ) Tashi Delek Let's see the .spec file and your .rpmrc and .rpmmacros files (that is, the ones in /home/evil7 Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake way of life
, but consider that both can be offered as features And the other time loss is the training. The conferencing is part of the cost of the product and should not be considered a loss. The expulsion of bugs is te payoff, as well as better-designed software. If we had thought up front about broken connections and tested for them while developing Software manager, it would be at its current state 2 generations ago. That would have been worth a lot more than the conferencing cost/time loss. The barrier to this model is financial. mandrakesoft cannot easily afford to blow three weeks of every developer's time for the training nor easily work through the initial roughnesses of the new system. It would require steadfast leadership and extreme effort on the part of management to make it work. When the finances are better you might try to implement it, but for now, with the exception of better communication to testers, I think you are doing the best that can be done. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] bad diskdrake partitionning ?
Christophe Combelles wrote: After having installed a 8.2beta4 on a single disk PC, I have tried to install a redhat 7.2. The partitionning tool of the redhat has warned me with the following message : Unable to align partition properly. This probably means that another partitioning tool generated an incorrect partition table, because it didn't have the correct BIOS geometry. It is safe to ignore, but ignoring may cause (fixable) problems with some boot loaders. Maybe this should be investigated ? Does diskdrake get the correct bios geometry ? Does it really generate an incorrect partition table ? Is your hard disk a big WD? We have seen some approximation errors in disk geometry with these through several kernels (and fdisk showed the same thing!) with certain implementations of the VIA KT133 series chipsets. If not, this might be something new. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] MCC, what happend to FIREWALL?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What happend to firewall option in latest MCC == Security? Only security level option is left there, at last in KDE. Irek Well, if you had a local network and used firewall on one of the machines... 1.CUPS would not work on remote printers 2.Remote systems could not print on your firewalled machine 3.If you had connection sharing and you used firewall on that, no services except internet services would exchange through that gateway. In particular, running your own mailserver was impossible without hand-editing some files. 4. NFS and NIS were also blocked on local networks. In other words, the ultra-conservative approach to allowing nothing locally made the firewall a way for newbies to generate tech help requests, not anything really useful except for single stand-alone machines with an internet connection. This was confirmed a little too late to redo the tool to something reasonable for this release, and it was masked in previous releases by other problems. MCC is supposed to be simple tools for newbies, and in this case, several configuration scenarios have to be envisioned, described, coded and interfaced to the user, or else the interaction of the tool isn't very newbie-friendly. Bastille is still around so you can make custom firewalls to suit your taste, and it does a certain amount of education interactively. BTW I still see the icon in MCC but clicking it closes MCC. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] drakx/diskdrake and NTFS
On Sunday 30 September 2001 14:37, Frederik Himpe wrote: Hello, One thing that I noticed in the Mandrake 8.1 installer, is that it does not mount NTFS partitions by default. I think this should be done by default, as is done for FAT32 partitions. When you explicitely mount the NTFS partitions yourself in the Mandrake installer, the partitions are only accessible as root, as user you get Permission denied. I think this should be changed too, or at least, there should be an option in diskdrake where you can easily choose to make them accessible to all users or root only. Does no one realize that there are THREE variations of the NTFS and that one of them is readable (and experimentally writeable) by linux, and more work on read/write for the newer two is likely to be stalled by threats or the potential for threats of legal action? Microsoft is not going to give us a chance to take their market away, not that we are really trying. We're about choices, but we are being blocked from staying compatible by Microsoft paranoia. Civileme I think these options would be very interesting, considering that more and more new Linux users will have NTFS partitions in the future. Frederik Himpe
Re: [Cooker] mandrake 8.1 final
On Sunday 30 September 2001 21:26, Mike Tracy Holt wrote: I guess I should have said something sooner - got busy and forgot. 8.1 is a dream; everything works unbelieveably well! I'm saving my pennies to buy prosuite as soon as it's available! I have one suggestion that I miss from 7.xx releases (hopefully will be included in future?) During install when you're selecting partition sizes, you no longer have the ability to just type in the size you want or some kind of fine tune adjustment at least; there's only the one slider bar and it's not very sensitive. For example; when choosing the size of my /boot partition, I could choose between 7M or 61M, but I couldn't seem to get anything in-between that. I would have liked to set it at 15M for future possibilities, but as much as I worked with my mouse on that slider bar, I couldn't get it! I know that's pretty small, but I've got to say, that's the only thing about the entire distro that I've found even slightly problematic... Great job guys!!! One other thing, could someone point me to a page that would list EVERYTHING that will be included in the prosuite pack? tia, Mike All the free software which we didn't prove had problems (yes some is on the commercial CDs). Quite a lot of business programs including multi-station accounting with real invoices and general ledger and time billing and even a web store which posts to the sales journal, most of the Software Offeed by TheKompany, and various server-oriented products. StarOffice now will support S3 Savage, and you will see more new software than old. CD9 has wizards that set up servers with just a couple of questions each. If you are into programming, XBasic has joined the ranks, complete with drag-n-drop to build graphical grids and instant translation to functions. Superficially resembling Visual basic, and running on X and on Windows, it is actually powerful enough that the compiler is written in itself. It was one of the packages that fell on a commercial CD though it is GPL with LGPL libraries, but don't worry. We surrounded it with a wreath of garlic and wolfsbane to keep away evil spirits.-) All the new games are on the free software, though. Stay tuned for some surprises. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Does iptable_filter keep Cups from working from networked computer?
On Monday 01 October 2001 03:40, David wrote: 2 NIC's, eth0 connected to internet, eth1 to other computer. Other computer has 1 NIC. I have been trying to access the other computer that I networked to (trying to in 8.1) I can ping it, check it's ports, both are set up in hosts.allow, export, was setup in host (not by me though, some config did it, but is correct), alias names for each or recognized,... you can do this from both computers. I did find that iptable_filter was keeping me from connecting to the one with two NIC's. Once I : modprobed -r iptable_filter. I could access it also, from the other computer. Something else funny happened: I had tried to print a file from the computer with one NIC earlier and it didn't print. As soon as I removed the iptable_filter, the file started printing. I was wondering what the heck was happening until I saw the file that was printed. I am going to remove things slowly back until I can get NFS working. I did this in earlier rev. but can't seem to access the computers from each other, just ping them and such. I know the gfcc uses ipchains, but does it also tie into the iptable_filter? I removed gfcc for now until I figure this out. I hope it or something it needs isn't keeping me from networking these two computer, cause I want to setup Internet connection sharing. This is my lsmod report, after removing the iptable_filter. It will come back next reboot, anyone know of the top of their head, where to stop it at besides the kernel. Also, see anything in here that might be stopping nfs from accessing the other computer. It isn't in here, but I have tried to modprobe nfs and it loads with no errors, but still can't accomplish access to the other computers. lsmod Module Size Used by es1371 26768 0 soundcore 4208 4 [es1371] ac97_codec 9312 0 [es1371] gameport1856 0 [es1371] nfsd 70464 8 (autoclean) lockd 51440 1 (autoclean) [nfsd] sunrpc 66480 1 (autoclean) [nfsd lockd] lp 5808 0 parport_pc 20240 1 parport24768 1 [lp parport_pc] autofs4 9600 2 (autoclean) af_packet 12560 2 (autoclean) ip_vs 62000 0 (autoclean) ipt_REJECT 3312 0 (autoclean) ipt_limit 1280 0 (autoclean) ipt_state944 0 (autoclean) ipt_LOG 3776 0 ip_conntrack_ftp3792 0 (unused) keybdev 1920 0 (unused) mousedev4192 1 hid18480 0 (unused) usbmouse2048 0 (unused) input 3648 0 [keybdev mousedev hid usbmouse] iptable_mangle 2048 0 (autoclean) (unused) usb-uhci 21232 0 (unused) usbcore50752 1 [hid usbmouse usb-uhci] tulip 36400 2 (autoclean) ipt_MASQUERADE 1600 1 (autoclean) iptable_nat16560 0 [ipt_MASQUERADE] ip_tables 11488 9 [ipt_REJECT ipt_limit ipt_state ipt_LOG iptable_mangle ipt_MASQUERADE iptable_nat] ip_conntrack 15600 3 [ipt_state ip_conntrack_ftp ipt_MASQUERADE iptable_nat] nls_iso8859-1 2880 1 (autoclean) nls_cp850 3632 1 (autoclean) vfat9968 1 (autoclean) fat32192 0 (autoclean) [vfat] ide-scsi8096 0 scsi_mod 91072 1 [ide-scsi] rtc 5600 0 (autoclean) reiserfs 158304 3 CUPS uses port 631 to broadcast printer information. Without that, it will _not_ print. It also will not print locally if that port is closed for the loopback. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] root on ext3 - success!/suggestion for diskddrake
On Friday 07 September 2001 10:41, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Fabrice FACORAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Speed: Despite writing some data more than once, ext3 is often faster (higher throughput) than ext2 because ext3's journaling optimizes hard drive head The problem with benches is that they are all tied to show that this FS is the fastest. I saw a resembling bench for JFS recently. So Pixel's bogobench is pretty interesting since it shows more or less a typical and no-fs-oriented bench. And guess what ? the ext3 is often faster scales miserably to this bench. We can also talk about JFS. Well, they are both winning the prize for slowest FS, great ;p. time df lost 3:10 310 + 32 ext2 3:35 337 + 1 reiser notail 3:50 313 + 4 xfs 4:00 300 + 2 reiser (1) 4:05 325 + 8 jfs 4:05 343 + 31 ext3 (2) * DISCLAIMER ** : I don't care that any FS could be great as I-dont-know for server stuff, very large files, sql-throughput, or anything. this is a bogobench, nothing more. but personally, considering my proper typical use of my machine, I'd choose ext2 (or reiser notail) if I consider these results. Well, the bench I am doing makes 100,000 files, then reads 100,000 times, then updates 100,000 times, then deletes all the files and times each. The reads and updates are random and the same file may be chosen many times in each case. This was designed to simulate mailserver activity which is typically one of the most stressful uses of filesystems. (And my benchmarking activity has as secondary purpose breaking the filesystem if it is breakable). My results thus far, with create/delete, follow Pixel's very closely. I should have full info late saturday (takes some time to do this). JFS is _still_ not problem free. As a normal partition, it seems mostly stable, but as a root partition, it is a formula to wreck a system. At least it passes the sledgehammer on non-root partitions. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Mdk8 kernel security upgrade notes
On Saturday 01 September 2001 00:15, Vincent Danen wrote: On Fri Aug 31, 2001 at 08:16:12PM -0700, SI Reasoning wrote: Too much to expect people to be that aware when lulled into easy upgrades through the software manager. THere should be a big red star or some other warning to alert people to read the notice. Another possibility is to have an install script that goes with the rpm's and installs them properly. rpmdrake would always read the scripts first How about kernel-2.4.7-12.3mdk.do.not.use.update.on.this.or.you.get.ridiculed.and.die.i586.rpm with many forks (all symlinks) for other supported languages? Would that ease your pain? Civileme
Re: [Cooker] PR Machine
On Wednesday 08 August 2001 07:48, Tom Massey wrote: On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, [ISO-8859-1] Grégoire Colbert wrote: http://grc.com/dos/winxp.htm PS : For those of you (any?) who would like to give XP a try, take a close look at the site above. This is frightening. Mmm. And then look at http://vmyths.com/rant.cfm?id335page=4 for a bit of balance. Or have a read of the articles at http://vmyths.com/resource.cfm?id=59page=1 and think about how much you can trust Steve Gibson when it comes to security issues. (Read them anyway, they're pretty funny :-) Raw sockets in WinXP are simply not an issue. Way off topic, but I hate to see FUD spread. Actually, some security experts are a little worried what a set of attack dogs with teetn can do. XP with raw sockets (in the personal edition) is totally unnecessary and nothing more for Microsoft than a publicity (Now with the full socket capabilities of unix). But for script kiddies it means fresh troops, and this time, they're armed. Filtering rules with current routers can keep out DDoS attacks now, but with raw sockets, even the DDoS attacks will be hard to filter, plus all sorts of extras (bonk, tear drop) are now available. It is a valid concern, perhaps a bit overblown, but definitely time for ISPs to look into routers capable of stateful firewalling. I agree that Steve Gibson is often a clown who overplays his role, but even a blind hog stumbles across an acorn once in a while. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] trouble with CDROM on Mandrakefr 8.0
On Saturday 21 July 2001 07:11, Eaon wrote: On 20 Jul 2001 23:55:39 -0400, Larry Braden wrote: Hello all, Hope this isn't an old hat problem, but I'm getting input/output errors when I open a terminal to /mnt/cdrom. This is the case with root and users. FSTAB says supermount is set up for iso9660. Any ideas on what I need to do? The OS was just freshly installed. thanks sincerely, Larry Braden, Catonsville, MD 21228 Larry, What kind of drive is it? IDE or SCSI? I hadn't seen this problem before a few nights ago, but then installed Mandrake Freq #2 on a different system than I normally run cooker on, and it has an Adaptec 2930CU card and an HP 9210 CDRW drive (the cooker system is all IDE). Last night went to install a few packages in rpmdrake and it popped out CD 1 and asked me to insert CD 2. But it didn't remount properly. It showed me about a dozen rpms, all in the root directory of the disc, and then one directory having the same name as one of the packages, that seemed to be a recursive link to the same directory of those same dozen packages. Verified the CD in another system (and on the same system but booted into Windows, so on the same drive) and the disc was fine. Did some more digging, and it seems that if I boot with the drive empty, the first disc I put in is fine. If I change discs, I either get an input/output error, or some bizarrely mounted disc like I described. If I boot with a disc in the drive, that disc gets mounted fine during boot, but as soon as I take it out I start getting VFS messages (inode busy messages of some sort) as soon as I eject the disc. If I close the tray empty, the messages keep going. Close it with a different disc in it and I again get either an input/output error or some crazy mount that doesn't work. My gut feeling is it has something to do with the SCSI drivers. Anyone? (My gut feeling comes from the fact that the SCSI drivers in the kernel used for the install are totally broken - over 3 hours to install the RPMs because the driver doesn't talk nicely to the card - I trust the next Mandrake Freq release with fix this...?) Only one and it isn't broken. It was a new driver responding to firmware changes on the Adaptec SCSI cards. If you update the firmware on your card, that driver works fine. A few weeks later, of course, a new unified driver was issued... Anyway, that was overshadowed in that Freq by fixes for the Promise and other off-board IDE controllers and for the IBM trackpoint (the running kernel actually recognizes it though the install image alternative has to be used to get it going). You can also rmmod aic7xxx modprobe aic7xxx_old and you should(tm) be fine, too. Civileme Eaon
Re: [Cooker] trouble with CDROM on Mandrakefr 8.0
On Saturday 21 July 2001 09:51, Eaon wrote: On 21 Jul 2001 03:31:23 -0600, Eaon wrote: Anyway, we seem to have gotten way off the original topic here, which is the odd behaviour of cdrom drives in 8.0 and Freq 2. Is it a mount bug? Supermount? (I don't think so, since I un-supermounted the cd drive and still had the same issue). Does it have any relation to it being a SCSI drive, or is that not the issue? Eaon Replying to my own message, it seems I was wrong, it is supermount. Found this thread http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php?sid=1065lang=en on mandrakeforum which suggests supermount -i disable. Seems to work for me in a quick informal test with the inst and ext cds that were giving me trouble. So, goodbye, then, supermount. It was nice knowing you. Eaon OK thanks--missed that one. Supermount has been pretty reliable up to kernel 2.4, but all things have to adapt to new conditions. Newbies are the most affected, of course. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] trouble with CDROM on Mandrakefr 8.0
On Saturday 21 July 2001 09:31, Eaon wrote: On 21 Jul 2001 10:15:40 +, civileme wrote: On Saturday 21 July 2001 07:54, Eaon wrote: On 21 Jul 2001 09:42:44 +, civileme wrote: Only one and it isn't broken. It was a new driver responding to firmware changes on the Adaptec SCSI cards. If you update the firmware on your card, that driver works fine. A few weeks later, of course, a new unified driver was issued... update my firmware, huh? That sounds like as much fun as flashing the BIOS (I fried one once - I've been bitter, angry man ever since). Well if that was fun, here is something that will really wake you up in the morning: http://www.acl.lanl.gov/linuxbios/docs/HOWTO/SiS630 It is a little-known fact that BIOS chips are hot-swappable.-) It always seems like a great idea when first you find out about it, but then reality sets in. To re-flash a wrecked bios, you need to boot from a good bios, take that chip out and put in the fried one, and then run the flash utility. But where oh where do you get that good bios? You have to have access to the same make and model of motherboard from which to take it, and inevitably all your friends have a different motherboard than you. :-) Just easier to buy a new motherboard (besides which, then you get something newer, faster, better, more bells, more whistles). :-) Actually it is likely to be MORE fun to flash an Adfaptec firmware BIOS because not all Adaptec boards are created equal, and some of them have no flash capabilities even in the 2930, 2940 and 29160 series. There are also more than 150 different firmware versions, just to make life a little more interesting. That sounds like too much fun for me to handle, actually (though you never did tell me where to get them from). I'll just deal with it being fixed in software. :-) Anyway, we seem to have gotten way off the original topic here, which is the odd behaviour of cdrom drives in 8.0 and Freq 2. Is it a mount bug? Supermount? (I don't think so, since I un-supermounted the cd drive and still had the same issue). Does it have any relation to it being a SCSI drive, or is that not the issue? It is not the issue. We have never been able to reproduce this behavior, but it has been reported on ZIPs, CDROMs, CDRWs, and DVDs. Civileme Eaon
Re: [Cooker] Re: Re: Somebody care to explain this?
On Saturday 21 July 2001 06:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bah! I forgot to put the URL in my previous attempt to ask this. I snip What is with the exlusive nature of this: http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/investors/ipo/ Haha! Ok, now that we have some context I can see why you took issue with blaming Canada. :-) Never mind, after reading that page it would seem more appropriate to blame France, since it would seem to be their laws being invoked here. So, I'm Canadian, and now my interest is totally piqued. But I'm not allowed to click the link. I might anyway. Don't tell anyone, ok? Eaon It is canadian law. Not france law. More to the point almost any country have those types of law It is also US Law and Japanese Law. It is considered that ordinary US People should not be exposed to risks like an unregulated market. Of course, those linux developers that RH reserved some shares for also discovered that US law protected them from making an unwise investment due to their inexperience as investors, and were mostly not allowed to buy the reserved stock. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] RZ1000 IDE working in 2.2 kernel but not 2.4
On Tuesday 03 July 2001 17:22, Brian J. Murrell wrote: I have an (old!) P75 that I am trying to put Mandrake Linux on. This machine has an RZ1000 IDE chip on it and it seems to work on the kernel22 kernel but not the (latest even) 2.4 kernel from Cooker. When booting 2.4.5-9mdk I get the following messages: ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx RZ1000: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 08 PCI: Enabling device 00:01.0 ( - 0001) RZ1000: chipset revision 1 RZ1000: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later ide0: disabled chipset read-ahead (buggy RZ1000/RZ1001) ide1: disabled chipset read-ahead (buggy RZ1000/RZ1001) md driver... ... request_module[block-major-3]: Root fs not mounted VFS: Cannot open root device 305 or 03:05 Please append a correct root= boot option Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:05 When booting the kernel22-2.2.19-15mdk kernel, the following are the relevant boot messages: ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx RZ1000: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 08 RZ1000: device not capable of full native PCI mode RZ1000: device disabled (BIOS) hda: Conner Peripherals 420MB - CFS420A, ATA DISK drive hdb: CRD-8322B, ATAPI CDROM drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 hda: Conner Peripherals 420MB - CFS420A, 406MB w/64kB Cache, CHS=826/16/63 hdb: ATAPI 32X CD-ROM drive, 128kB Cache The device disabled (BIOS) is a little concerning but it seems to work anyway. I have checked the BIOS and it does seem to be enabled. Any ideas? b. The RZ-1000 is a highly buggy chipset, particularly where DMA is concerned CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RZ1000: The PC-Technologies RZ1000 IDE chip is used on many common 486 and Pentium motherboards, usually along with the Neptune chipset. Unfortunately, it has a rather nasty design flaw that can cause severe data corruption under many conditions. Say Y here to include code which automatically detects and corrects the problem under Linux. This may slow disk throughput by a few percent, but at least things will operate 100% reliably. This is enabled in both kernels, but the which drive is not being seen? (Your failure to mount rootfs looks like a /dev/hda (post install) problem and it it is a CD problem on install it should be block major 11 anyway. ) So I assume you can install but not boot. Have you tried kernel 2.2.19-10mdk included in the distro? Civileme
Re: [Cooker] A question about U-ATA100 Raid Controller and Cooker...
On Saturday 30 June 2001 12:18, Claudio wrote: Hi all people! I'm quite happy of my mdk-8.0, so it was a little time I didn't test cooker on my machine. But 2 days ago I installed the latest kernel in cooker and... what a surprise: I saw that line during the boot: VP_IDE: VIA vt82c686a (rev 22) IDE UDMA66 controller on pci00:07.1 ide0: BM-DMA at 0x9000-0x9007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA ide1: BM-DMA at 0x9008-0x900f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA PDC20265: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 60 PDC20265: chipset revision 2 ide: Found promise 20265 in RAID mode. It seems that the kernel now recognize the Ata-100-RAID-controller installed onboard of my dual-cpu MSI-6321. I actually have to put all the HD on standard IDE controller, and I don't like it... So I decided to test latest cooker, if it could see that ata/raid controller. Result is NO good, it's still like kernel 2.4.3, but now the question is: may it depend on the fact that the files in /images/*.img are too old? Why the kernel does not see correctly that controller during installation but it can see perfectly after installation?... More precisely: when will I be able installing cooker on Promise ata-100/raid controller? Any plan about it? There are many people with such problem here, in some mailing list in Italy, so I think it's a general problem. ;o) C. Well, it si not a hardware RAID controller, so any RAID use of it depends on Promise to disclose the secret, proprietary software used. In other words it is a WinRAID. Andre Hedrick did get some information about promise FastTraks and made a drriver but it is basically limited to seeing one disk on one channel at current implementation. There are no plans. It cannot be supported without more information from Promise. But if it is a general problem, you might want to organize a write-to-Promise day with the others who are similarly concerned, say once a month. And f they starty getting lots of letters encouraging them to cooperate, then perhaps they will. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Help needed with 8.0 install
On Wednesday 27 June 2001 21:49, Peter Ruskin wrote: I started this thread Wed, 20 Jun 2001 and I'm still trying. I can't believe it's this difficult. I made a brand new local mirror of sunsite.uio.no::Mandrake/8.0/i586/ using rsync, without exclusions, on my main machine, and tried installing from network.img floppy using NFS export. The repository was found, 2nd stage install started, used existing partitions and formatted /. Selected packages (recommended, no individual) then the installer crashed: * reading /usr/lib/rpm/rpmrc * done * segmentation fault: seems like memory is missing as the install crashes This is reproduceable. I have a report.bug - can I send it to someone? Ummm, I have seen that statement many times... It almost always means one of three things. 1. Cable to HDD needs removal reseating or outright replacement. 2. Hole in HDD (if you are using WD hard disks you never know till a verify step occurs (and WDs is where this happens from disk based problems) 3. Yep, like the proggie says, memory. /images/memtest-x86.bin is your friend. Just dd it to a floppy and boot with it on your install target. You can send me the bug report, but I can already tell you it wasn't reproduceable here, unless you have incompletely described it. Of course you migh have a heavy load on your NFS server which I did not have here. And NFS in 8.0 is fragile, thanks to all the reiser patches, which still don't seem to make reiser work as well as we would like. Civileme QA Team
Re: [Cooker] 8.0 bug: reiserfs partitions unreadable under 2.2.19 kernel, no ``v1'' option during install
On Wednesday 09 May 2001 07:17, you wrote: Installed under 2.4.3, tried to switch to 2.2.19 to work around mouse/kbd problems mentioned above, 2.2.19 won't read ReiserFS paritions formatted during install, had to copy off, mkreiserfs -v 1 /dev/xxxX, copy back on to make it work. An option for ``Old ReiserFS'' format would be nice during install. Perhaps a repaired set of installation files can be released as an update to be applied to the as-released 8.0 CD image? The opaque ``ldconfig failed'' message also comes up quite often, sometimes it seems to mean ``partition full'' but not always. It would be very good policy to ALWAYS include the sys_errlist[errno] text in the message - together with a filename if applicable - even if in fine print. Check the archives of mandrakeforum.com. I posted a howto on 8.0/kernel-2.2.19/reiserfs within the past two weeks. The reiserfs from kernel 2.2 is an older version and the newer one is not backwards compatiblle though the older one is forwards compatible. It is a matter of how you do it. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 8.0 install failure on IBM Thinkpad 600e
On Saturday 28 April 2001 09:19, you wrote: Sean Dague [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I went to install Mandrake 8.0 on a thinkpad I had laying arround, before upgrading my home machine, and hit a pretty big wall. The trackpoint on the thinkpad is not detected, and when I try to point it try booting on a floppy containing images/alternatives/cdrom.img-2.2.19-BADZ5 [Notes the alternative from Pixel for future reference] U, success has been had by several by using F1 at splash screen and typing text expert and answerring no to modules and bypassing SCSI detection then installing in text mode. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Via chipset bug
On Friday 13 April 2001 17:45, you wrote: On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 04:53, you wrote: JoAnne wrote: The Register: Data-corruption bug hits VIA chipsets(Apr 13, 2001, 15:10 UTC) (1719 reads) (4 talkbacks) (Posted by kreichard) Dennis E. Powell writes to tell us about the Register's coverage: "The kernel crowd have been trying for months to track this thing down; turns out now that it's not their fault! *OUCH*!!! My AOpen mobo has the VIA chipset... (and it's Friday the thirteenth!). Can't afford a new mobo, so does this mean that all the kinky goings on with my system _wasn't_ due to beta code, the phase of the moon, or my cat biting me? *sheesh*!! ... so what do we do now? ... switch to Windows Me??? [NOT!!!] Elton Woo ;-) It only happens with big files between two ide hard drives at maximum throughput and blah blah blah read the report And at install time between a CD and a hdd both running DMA And probably not testably reproducible at other times as well... It is a _HARDWARE_RACE_CONDITION_ and those tend to be as predictable as the outcome of a rain dance. Just lucky someone found a reproducible set of circumstances so some confessions could be forthcoming and a fix could be encouraged, else the poor overworked kernel hackers in all distros would still be pulling out their hair, or flattening the tops of their heads by bashing them against the nearest convenient wall. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Cooker cycles
On Friday 30 March 2001 15:40, you wrote: Checking out the mandrakesoft/labs/cooker area I read the little thing on cycles and came to this conclusion: huh? Sounds like a great system but could someone elaborate a little and specify just where we are within the stages (on the website)? For instance: I have ideas concerning additional functionality for the installation utility. I am well aware though that this is not the time for me to bring up totally new things as we are in freeze-right? Could devel @ mandrakesoft.com start some sort of a pool (or for that matter a crock pot) where people dump their ideas/ingredients in and developers fish for projects? Instead of people coming to this ml where all their ideas get lost in confusion (and occasional hostility). This could mean anything from adding a feature to a specific package to a new concept for a distribution. The ml could be reserved a little more for BUG reports/fixes and the like, (anyone remember yair/yate 'discussion'? not that) I post this here as you are those whom this would affect most. Would have to be organized though, classification for types of ideas/type of app. Any thoughts? Should I shut my trap? Blue Lizard Running a 233 Mhz pentium mmx w/ kernel 2.4.2-22mdk Hmmm, well, there are many ways for that to happen. What one person thinks is a neat idea may not seem consequential to others. We are working on ways for these things to be judged by our customer audience. (not in a go/no go sense, but rather in a "should we emphasize this feature or leave it merely available"). You can be one of the judges as well as an idea-giver. But send the idea to me. I keep track of them. There was an article on mandrakeforum.com for suggestions--they always seem to come fast and furious right when we go into freeze, then are conspicuous by their absence til the next beta. Unfortunately MandrakeForum is inaccessible in the land of dark routers at the moment, so just email me. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Cups using 95% CPU?!
On Friday 30 March 2001 16:05, you wrote: Just noticed that my CPU usage was saturating at 100% and gtop shows me that cupsd is using 96% of it. Wow! I agree this is a powerful sw, but still... =-= kk1 Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 By what instrument are you measuring it? I know of one that will show you 99.9% CPU usage simultaneously on up to five processes! "Wow," said my compatriates, "when can I have an SMP test machine?" And I see also the frequent report of "kapm-idled sucking up my CPU cycles" The truth is, SOME process is always waiting for an event or taking up CPU time. Just until now the truth-in-reporting law has never been strictly enforced. When you see an idle process hogging your CPU, look at its "nice" number. If that is in the range of positive 16 to positive 20, it means you are letting your computer run without you, and whatever process is broadcasting a short message over the net or checking for a PIO event on a very low priority is being given all that idel time to do it. Cups does broadcast its presence if you have a queue on your own machine, even if you have no network except 127.0.0.1. If you leave the machine on overnight, what ELSE is going to take up time besides updatedb and makewhatis? Civileme
Re: [Cooker] YaTE
On Sunday 25 March 2001 23:36, you wrote: I just finished reading an article about the 1.0 release of nano, ANOTHER text editor for Unix/Linux. My question is: "Does the Unix/Linux world really need more text editors?" One thing I really love about Linux is the fact that I have so many choices for tasks such as text editting, e-mail, image viewing or playing audio. What I hate is that it takes me an extra half hour to install a distribution because I have to remove all of the extraneous software that I have no use for. I understand that each one of us has our preferences as I've seen posts here in the past regarding the jed and joe editors. Why create ANOTHER text editor that looks like pico with some added features? I'm sure we've all heard the phrase "Why re-invent the wheel?" Umm, probably someone likes Pico and doesn't want the restrictive license. Why is it that it seems the Unix/Linux world spends so much time doing that? True, part of it is the overall "openness" of GNU and open source software, which I think is great. But why so much fanfare over another text editor. I'm no developer by any means granted I wish I had better programming skills so I could actively contribute more but I can't help but laugh when I read about another text editor. I remember one last year which was a binary of tiny proportions--perhaps 40K and very functional. I have it in an emvbedded system, right in the non-volatile memory where I can edit configuration files. Much better than the supplied utilities for the same purpose. I still use Windows quite a bit for various tasks. I love Macromedia's Dreamweaver, Flash and Fireworks software but only the Gimp comes somewhat close in functionality and ease of use to Fireworks and there aren't any WYSIWYG HTML editors worth mentioning for Linux. Flash is limited to a plugin which works very well but I'd love to be able to work from one box instead of having to move to my windows system to work rather than play. Sure I could use my favorite text editor to design web sites and with a little more patience I could create some very nice graphics for them with the Gimp. I'd much rather open a program like Dreamweaver so I can create things visually and then tweak the code later. It seems that at times there is lack of innovation. My next bitch is along similar lines. How many scripting languages do we really need? Off the top of my head I can name bash, perl, python, tcl, and expect. I can see a use for bash and perl and maybe even tcl but I don't understand the point of python. I program in Python for large projects. The enforced clean code is very important to me. I cannot immediately recognize what I did when looking at six-month old perl code. Anyway, what you are saying is that you have different itches than the developers around the world that are scratching theirs? Consider the question, "How do you herd cats?" Expect is very much designed for a certain niche but python just seems to be perl rehashed with a different name. I've also tinkered a bit with lisp and have removed many others. Perhaps because I haven't had a USE for these languages is why I feel there isn't a need for them but I can't help but think there are too many languages that do the same things. After glancing at the packages I chose NOT to install I notice there are eiffel, ruby, prolog, and haskell languages. I'm sure they all have their niche but what about niches other than programming? Maybe I'm out in left field but right now I just feel there is little focus when it comes to making Linux useful to more people. Again, as I said before I'm no developer and I truly wish I could help out more. I am by no means disappointed with what Linux has to offer. I am however disappointed in the lack of desktop software. Perhaps I'm just being impatient. Maybe what I'm wanting is a year or so down the road, who knows? Just my two cents. If you want to help out and you are not a programmer, but can do web sites, then organize a project to scratch your favorite itch. Put it on sourceforge and ask for help--find developers who want to do what you want to do then enable them with support, organization, fund-raising, recruiting, publicity, whatever you can do. What you are wanting is probably waiting for you to help make it happen. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] interesting konsole, rxvt file size exceeded
On Monday 26 March 2001 11:03, you wrote: On 26 Mar 2001 11:21:59 -0500, Greg Sarsons wrote: On Monday 26 March 2001 10:35, you wrote: On 26 Mar 2001 10:47:08 -0500, Greg Sarsons wrote: was having problems not being able to ls, su as a regular user. Then I upgraded to XFree86-4.0.3-2, XFree86-100dpi, XFree86-server-4.0.3-2mdk and notice that the kde Konsole is now usable ie readable text. But you still can't su to root as the error file size exceeded still occurs. However, I was getting this error with rxvt and now I'm not. Greg If you do rm -rf ~/.xauth can you su than If I do that then I can issue su once. As soon as I log out and try to su again I get file size exceeded. Greg I know. But i don't know where the problem is so i can't give you a real solution to the problem. Try commenting out the last line in /etc/security/limits.conf Civileme
Re: [Cooker] interesting konsole, rxvt file size exceeded
On Monday 26 March 2001 12:24, you wrote: On 26 Mar 2001 18:16:22 -0500, Civileme wrote: On Monday 26 March 2001 11:03, you wrote: On 26 Mar 2001 11:21:59 -0500, Greg Sarsons wrote: On Monday 26 March 2001 10:35, you wrote: On 26 Mar 2001 10:47:08 -0500, Greg Sarsons wrote: was having problems not being able to ls, su as a regular user. Then I upgraded to XFree86-4.0.3-2, XFree86-100dpi, XFree86-server-4.0.3-2mdk and notice that the kde Konsole is now usable ie readable text. But you still can't su to root as the error file size exceeded still occurs. However, I was getting this error with rxvt and now I'm not. Greg If you do rm -rf ~/.xauth can you su than If I do that then I can issue su once. As soon as I log out and try to su again I get file size exceeded. Greg I know. But i don't know where the problem is so i can't give you a real solution to the problem. Try commenting out the last line in /etc/security/limits.conf Civileme the end of etc/security/limits.conf #limit user processes per user to 150 * softnproc 100 * hardnproc 150 # limit size of any one of users' files to 400mb * hardfsize 40 # prevent core dumps * hardcore0 I assume you meant the line before that. Still, i like to set a limit to how big a user-file can be. Yeh the fsize--it appears to be broken--a few su's and you are again at file size limit. I just commented it out. This is a later version than I was using, but I did set mine up from 40 Mb to 400Mb and STILL got the problem though after a few su commands. Civileme
[Cooker] Turboprint--Test results
We tried it after reading the discussion. It prints with quality competitive with the GIMP Print facility on its own test pages. When sent an arbitrary file (the photo file we use to test printers), we get a segfault. TurboPrint isn't going to be recommended for the commercial CDs of this release--Looks promising but not quite ready. Of course it is not free software, so it cannot be in the downloadable CDs. We'll keep watching. Civileme/QA
Re: [Cooker] DiskDrake???
On Tuesday 20 March 2001 02:00, you wrote: On 19 Mar 2001 17:33:28 -0700, Rich Chase wrote: While installing Linux-Mandrake (seems to be multigenerational bug -- also in 7.2 versions), the program halts during package installation at seemingly arbitrary points with complaint "no hdlists found". -- Parenthetically, upon subsequent installation of RehHat, to salvage data on the disk, I get errors indicating a corrupted partition table. Anybody else seeing this error? It has occurred for me with various system architectures and Mandrake versions. Rich Chase I had some (actually a lot) of trouble with a corrupted partition table some time back. Believed to be atrributed to Diskdrake. Had some more recent trouble of the same sort though lesser. First incident was 7.2 and corrupted the whole darn thing beyond recovery. The second only hurt one of the ext2 partitions. Both of you please get this script http://perso.mandrakesoft.com/~civileme/snapshot.sh and run it on any stable linux and send *snap to me as an attachment. Civileme It is NOT DiskDrake It is a disk geometry recognition problem in the kernel. Mostly with WD drives and certain VIA Chipsets.
Re: [Cooker] DiskDrake???
On Tuesday 20 March 2001 17:18, you wrote: Thank you for the info. Would it be acceptable to run the script on mdk7.2? I have managed to get it installed on both of my computers (both of which have had trouble with this). Since these versions have had problems, maybe I need to run it on an earlier version? I certainly want to contribute what I can (I am a programmer, but have no experience writing for the linux OS). Rich That version would be fine as long as it stays up to see the vital points of your machine It is a simple script that dumps a couple of reports to a file--I mentioned it because it was handy--it was designed for the crashtesters who were installing 8.0 Betas dual-boot if they got into problems. If you really want to help--I'll be happy to have it as soon as we can get you installed--it definitely sounds like a kernel-vs-hardware problem. Civileme -- QA/Software testing
Re: [Cooker] linuxjournal review
On Monday 12 March 2001 05:03, you wrote: Anyone else check out the Linux Journal review of 7.2? (March 2001) Its very harsh... Dave http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php3?sid=20010219044332 might be of interest. She used the Ximian GNOME installer on it before testing. Look at the April issue or at Mandrakeforum.com. Many of the things she said were just plain inaccurate, unless it was pre-broken by a foreign install. They were not even accurate for the Pre_version with KDE 1.99. We tested the very same things she said were broken. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] NEW to List and working on Ultra66 Install Problem
On Thursday 08 March 2001 17:22, you wrote: Another case of Bug #525! --- Lonnie Cumberland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I have a PIII 500Mhz 128Meg ram system with a VooDoo3 card and Ultra66 controller with a 26Gig drive. I was able to: 1. Boot the install CDROM. 2. Press F1 and enter at prompt "linux ide0=noautotune ide1=noautotune ide2noautotune ide3=noautotune" 3. then do a complete install of the 8.0 Beta 1 CD's When the system had finished and rebooted, it froze up in various ways that I tried. 1. I tried to enter the same "linux ide0=noautotune ide1=noautotune ide2noautotune ide3=noautotune" and the system seemed to boot the kernel then go into a panic because it could not locate the root fs. 2. I tried an old string from Mandrake 7.1 APPEND command "hdd=ide-scsi ide2=0x1068,0x101c ide3=0x1060,1018" and the system found the drive properly on hde, but froze up when it came to "Partition Check: hde: " I also tried to specifically send it "root=/dev/hde7" but it came back and said that it could not find the root FS. Could someone please tell me a fix for this as it seems to almost be ready to boot. Just one more thing, the old Mandrake 7.1 with the 2.2.15 kernel installed with no problems and I did not have to make any chages at all. Cheers, Lonnie Cumberland __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ = Let's not jump to that conclusion quite yet. There are several "bugs" that can cause this behavior, including use of an IDE-RAID controller, or having an Apollo Pro Chipset with a WD205AA which causes disk geometry misrecognition. Plus we are dealing with two different kernels which locate the drives in different ways. Let him try again with the next beta, we think it will be very different results, and he should not need the noautotunes. Civileme Eugenio Diaz, BSEE/BSCE Linux Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [Cooker] Intel 815e
On Tuesday 06 March 2001 02:12, you wrote: Has anyone installed Mandrake 8.0 on a machine with the Intel 815e chipset? I ask because I have one and I use both usb keybaord and mouse, but the mouse and keyboard stop working after choosing the usb device module. Is there direct support for this chipset? I noticed during boot that it detected a PII chipset and was curious if this was for the Intel 440 chipset. Any help is appreciated. Chris Take a look at dmesg if you can get there--The one I saw was nothing but more than 300+ repetitions of this: i810_audio: DMA overrun on send The compiled-in sound seems to need some attention. Kernel team is aware of this and working as always ... Civileme -- QA/Software testing __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [Cooker] RedHat vs Mdk8
On Tuesday 06 March 2001 01:58, you wrote: Hi, I would like to know the principal diferences between upcoming RedHat release (read about beta at http://www.redhat.com/apps/download/beta/rhl.html ) and upcoming Mdk 8. * Of course I know that Mdk 8 is so much better. * I would just like to be aware of the principal, primarily technical, differences. I hope that this will not result in a war about who is better. I hope this will result in a comparison list. (E.g. Mdk8 doesn't have NVIDIA, due to source-only policy, while RedHat is willing to go to bed with companies that will pay them and will commit to releasing the source in less than 5 years. -- that was just a made up example). Thanks, Jan Well, no one can stop you from downloading both and comparing. That's the beauty of the GNU/linux communtiy and of Free Software. I am certain that there will be technical differences beyond the obvious one that we compile for i586. And, as you say, there is no need for a war. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Wow!
On Tuesday 06 March 2001 15:10, you wrote: Wow! The new LILO is beautiful. Congrats! Now when I got your attention. I made a fresh install of today's cooker and there are a couple of problems in KDE. o The fonts. Some of the fonts are simply unreadable. Are they bitmap fonts? I made a screenshot of Konqueror and KWrite. See below. o Graphics glitches. I have the i810 chipset and XFree86 4.0.2 was installed. Take a look at the screenshot again, see the vertical lines in borders and scrollbars? Screenshot: http://www.du.se/~mda/kdeprobs.png Mattias This appears in i810 chipsets driven in accelerated graphics mode under KDE. Perhaps it is a feature of the images to let you know you have true acceleration. Option "noaccel" eliminates it and the muddy appearance of Konsole windows when you move other window borders across their screens. I repeat, this is a feature that appears only when THREE conditions coincide. i810 chipset KDE full acceleration under X remove any one and you do not see the feature. Civileme BTW this feature is also present in rudimentary form (muddy Konsole) in KDE 2.0 and 2.0.1. It works better in the betas and seems to have reached its peak performance in KDE 2.1. It also works well under both 8.0 and cooker installs and 7.2 installs.
[Cooker] KDE 2.1 for 7.2--some answered questions
Answers KOffice will be uploaded soon--a very much unchanged package Quanta is not in the stable tree--fine for a beta but not for a final Kdeaddutils is not in the stable tree--fine for a beta but not a final kdepim conflict with imap will be corrected soon. Civileme Now for the pclinuxonline.com He has packages posted which he made (very good effort). His warning applies to them. If you want warnings for ours: uninstall imap with rpm -e urpme qt2 urpme kde rpm -ivh *.rpm #from the directory where you downloaded what you want rpm --rebuilddb # just to reorganize and compress, nothing likely broken reinstall imap with --force install quanta and kdeaddutils from your current versions or the most recent beta (preferably the second). They are _NOT_ in the official release. That is a drastic method of install but we have KDE 1.99 KDE 2.0 KDE 2.0.1 Any one of four releases from Chris Molnar A total of 7 different situations from which you might start. I know from Beta 2 of KDE 2.1 for 7.2 that KOffice and Quanta do not have to be uninstalled and the installation of the rest will work (though it is a pain to rip out kde packages one-by-one), but I don't have any other safe way to install all of the packages in the other unknown situations. My install is working fine. I have a test report posted at http://perso.mandrakesoft.com/~civileme/kde_test_results That one fails to test the advertised noatun. The results I received with running noatun is that it goes into two levels of segfault if run without a valid connection. Since I have no valid connection available, I cannot say whether it works. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Why no KDE 2.1 packages for 7.2?
On Saturday 03 March 2001 21:03, you wrote: Warly wrote: You can thanks the MandrakeSoft KDE team (daouda, david faure, laurent montel) and give a special standing ovation to Dadou for his hard work on the 7.2 rebuild. Alas, not yet ... Where is koffice? No change since 2.0.1 No change planned until 2.2 or 2.3 with new interface Where is quanta? (I don't have a good answer for this one--more news to come) Where is kdeaddutils? Alas, it remains in the unstable tree at KDE. It is not part of the 2.1 release. File /usr/lib/libimap.so in kdepim-2.1-1mdk conflicts with file from imap-4.7c2-4mdk. Well, can you tell us if the imap support in Kmail ever worked? If not, this one can be resolved easily. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] apmd??
On Sunday 04 March 2001 15:58, you wrote: --- civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no best way--you have 7.2 it depends what you put on it KDE 1.99 KDE 2.0 KDE 2.0.1 Any one of four sets from Chris Molnar? What I described wipes out what you had and allows a fresh install And if you don't want apmd, then rpm -ivh --nodeps kdeutils*rpm before installing the rest. Civileme Thanks for the advice. Thanks for the work with the kde packages too. You guys got them done a lot sooner than I thought possible with Beta and all. Not all agree with that but it's my opinion. Thanks. I know how to install and agree that clean is best, too, rpm --rebuild does help to pack the base a bit after so much change. I simply wanted to know why there is a req in the pkgs to use APM. I have not used APM for years. Now, I have to install it (to use kdevelop) even though I am not going to use apmd. If I don't need it( --nodeps), why is it there? Should I ask KDE or is this mdk req? ask KDE rj Hmmm, KDevelop seems to be working on my machine and I did a --nodeps to avoid installing apmd, just on kdeutils. I also violated my own advice and left 2.0.1 Quanta and KOffice on and THEY work very well indeed. Of course, since you don't test, you might not be used to removing just those packages one intends to install. I wasn't sure it would work this way, but it did. I ripped out each kde package individually, with a --nodeps on removal where necessary, then installed KDE2.1 packages without any problem after the kdeutils and moving the package to a directory marked /done. Crashtesters report no additional bugs to the earlier reports here. The report of testing the kde packages is at http://perso.mandrakesoft.com/~civileme/kde_test_results That URL opens right to the text with Konqueror from 2.1. Civileme Additional reports are welcome, of course. I cannot possibly duplicate all the system setups out there. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Why no KDE 2.1 packages for 7.2?
On Saturday 03 March 2001 20:24, you wrote: On Saturday 03 March 2001 11:52, Alexander Skwar wrote: So sprach Ray am Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 09:14:03AM +: What is the best way to upgrade 7.2 to KDE 2.1? which oreder to install the packages? All at once, I'd say: rpm -Uvh * No. You'll get all the other languages installed that you'll likely never use unless you did a selective download. You probably don't need all the -devel packages installed either. rpm -Fvh *.rpm to just freshen the packages you've already got installed. disclaimer: I haven't tried it yet - can't afford any problems for the weekend on my M7.2 system. rpm -F is not a good idea on this one--the changes are rather drastic. First of all, install apmd if you don't already have it (rpm -qa|grep apm should tell you) Then get into a terminal or the console after you D/L the packages you want--your language plus any others you desire and all those devels only if you want them--the rest are really required. If you installed to /tmp/KDE, for example # cd /tmp/KDE # urpme arts # urpme koffice # urpme kde # urpme qt2 # rpm -ivh *rpm # rpm --rebuilddb # not necessary but sheesh you just installed 80 Mb # exit logout login to KDE Voila! There a few broken links. Keystone will crash if you do not have a valid network (signal 11 crash) Ksysv will not recognize root when he tries to use it and so will not allow any edits, KDevelop will insist you never gave it the right path to one of the libs (just hit cancel and it finishes install). kdeaddutils is not there and KOffice is not there. You might want to try the rpm -F or set aside some older koffice rpms to reload. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] nVidia drivers vs Netscape binary only
On Friday 02 March 2001 17:07, you wrote: So sprach Prana am Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 06:19:21PM -0700: Hmm, NVidia binary (uni-processor, multi-processor) are binary only, and Netscape is a binary only software too. Why can't nVidia be packaged in Mandrake 8.0 while Netscape is allowed? It's my understanding that Netscape 4.76 is going to disappear from the distribution - if you have a look, you'll see that only Netscape 4.76 is included, and not the newest version of Netscape - 6.01. I suppose that Netscape 4.76 hasn't been kicked *YET* is due to the fact that Mozilla isn't stable yet. IIRC someone from Mdk said, that as soon as Mozilla is at 1.0, Netscape 4 will disappear. Alexander Skwar Yes, just because we have sinned in the past does not excuse further sinning :-) Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Very weak ATA100 support in Mandrake!
On Monday 19 February 2001 07:17, you wrote: civileme wrote: OK let's begin by comparing apples to apples. Most IDE setups, including Promise, are correctly detected and set up by the installer and handled properly by the kernel. This includes ATA/100 or UDMA5. Sorry about this, but the 7.2 kernel just does not see IDE2 or IDE3, which is where Promise lives. This applies to both the installer and the installed runtime. I don't know where your erroneous information might be coming from. It comes from actual, installed running systems. Now what is _different_ about yours? Worse, neither lilo nor grub know about these IDE channels, so you MUST at all times have a disk on one of your 2 mobo IDE channels, otherwise there is no secondary boot loader (lilo gives no error message from its failure to write it to a non-existent hda) and all booting will stop at LI. Booting from floppy and re-executing /sbin/lilo makes no difference - still stops at LI. OK, I'll try that. But if it works on my AZ11 with all drives on 2 and 3, under their Promise ATA/100 controller, does that mean it should work on your system too? Some folks have more IDE channels than are autoprobed. Drive i Again, your system, Ron. Not all. My drives were autodetected on channels 2 and 3. and e,f,g,h on 7.2 will never be autodetected... It has to be configured after boot, because while major and minor numbers exist, it is not autoprobed (Run modprobe -c for yourself). Some folks have streaming problems on CD burning. I know this doesn't sound like the same problem, but it appears to be related to one or more of the problems I will categorize here. 1. ASUS A7V -- to detect the embedded Promise controller you have to boot the CD in rescue mode and lspci -vv | less and scroll through the output. The current advice on mandrakeuser.org is to do linux ide2=0xa000 0x9802 This is totally unacceptable, because there is no way to automate it that I am aware of since at that point there is no file system. To have to type in such gobbledigook at every boot is plainly unacceptable. It is only for the boot--during bootloader installation we have to type the ide2=0xa000 0x9802 into the Append blank of each linux system booting (Usually linux linux-nonfb and failsafe) After that, the process is automatic. (which sets the controller up to run drives e and f) and the 0xa000 and 0x9800 are the first of five hex numbers attached to the irq where the drives set up. It is done for ide2 because the oters are already assigned by autodetection and there is a need to keep things simple. Of course strings to the install kernel could reassign all the drives if desired. But the reassignment is only for the duration of the install. Now that is a very valid point! The reassignment will not work for boot because the append strings have to be loaded off the disk and it has to be a specific disk with the then existing assignments--instant freeze on partition check. With a flexible enough BIOS, this is not a problem. I have a motherboard which has a LS120 on /dev/hda and a Maxtor on /dev/hde and LILO boots from /hde with no problem, but if I tried to assign that to /dev/hda --Yeech-- That could be interesting to try And the bootloader is a followup--the append strings must be given to LILO or Grub for transmission to the boot kernel. 2. LG CDRWs seem to have a problem with the ATA/100 backport for 7.2, because kernels compiled without them run and burn CDRWs fine while those with them balk at setting DMA on the CDRW which can, but not necessarily does, break streaming. Results with burning are mixed, sometimes working, sometimes not. This occurs whether or not there are any other IDE devices on te system and with selected motherboards. Aditional reports are welcome. 3. Setting DMA on some systems (and this happens on so few that we have little data) simply does not work for one or more drives, This ws true of my old AIR 6ABX motherboard, and is one reason why I have just replaced it with a Gigabyte GA-7ZXR (and an AMD Athlon 900MHz CPU). OK thanks for the data... That is something we can test. (and we did not have that combination here). and we have a partition check that hangs the system. It might be related to a CDRW or to a Promise ATA/66 Controller. More data is welcome. Particularly welcome is any data of anyone able to reproduce this error _without_ WD drives. I can on that old mobo and IBM drives, but I shifted my CDRW to the other IDE channel and all problems went away since I always master CDs to the same partition. Yes, we have reports of streaming errors and DMA settings failures when CDROMs and CDRWs share an ide channel. But reducing the variables to isolate a cause or causes has been a nightmare, especially wih very sparse occurrences and even sparser data
Re: [Cooker] Very weak ATA100 support in Mandrake!
On Saturday 17 February 2001 07:00, you wrote:
civileme wrote:
How about doing this? Since you have 2.4 on a machine with this
particular chip (we have NO examples) check the speed with hdparm and the
settings. How much tuning has happened? What can you produce if you
leave autotune out and try hdparm settings yourself? Which method works
better? And a dmesg with your report would be helpful.
Cooker with 2.4 kernel and ATA100 proved totally disappointing -
there must be a lot of work still to be done. Max cached throughput
is about 20 MB/sec. Multisector = 0 and dma on. Multisector 16
takes it back to 12 MB/sec. Very strange!
7.2 with the 2.2.27-28mdk kernel (this kernel supports IDE 2 3)
immediately shows the advantage of ATA100. hda is an ATA 66 IBM
drive on an ATA66 interface. hdg is an ATA100 IBM disk on a Promise
ATA100 interface (on a Gigabyte GA-7ZXR motherboard with an AMD
Athlon 900MHz CPU). This is the same Promise chip as is used on
their add-on PCI mass storage card. DMA and 32 bit are not on as
installed. I set them on.
[root@small ron]# hdparm -v /dev/hda
/dev/hda:
multcount= 16 (on)
I/O support = 1 (32-bit)
unmaskirq= 0 (off)
using_dma= 1 (on)
keepsettings = 0 (off)
nowerr = 0 (off)
readonly = 0 (off)
readahead= 8 (on)
geometry = 1869/255/63, sectors = 30033360, start = 0
[root@small ron]# hdparm -v /dev/hdg
/dev/hdg:
multcount= 16 (on)
I/O support = 1 (32-bit)
unmaskirq= 0 (off)
using_dma= 1 (on)
keepsettings = 0 (off)
nowerr = 0 (off)
readonly = 0 (off)
readahead= 8 (on)
geometry = 3737/255/63, sectors = 60036480, start = 0
[root@small ron]# hdparm -tT /dev/hda
/dev/hda:
Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 1.02 seconds =125.49 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 4.33 seconds = 14.78 MB/sec
[root@small ron]# hdparm -tT /dev/hdg
/dev/hdg:
Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.96 seconds =133.33 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.81 seconds = 35.36 MB/sec
Conclusion:
It looks like ATA100 more than doubles the buffered disk throughput
of ATA66.
Thank you, Ron.
The 2.4 kernel doesn't have much turned on--we're stretched between locking
up old systems and detecting new ones, and we are working on moving most of
the tuning to post-install and avoiding autodetection of udma4 and 5.
Unfortunately, the data rates that seem so blinding in those tests with
hdparm don't hold in most real life situations. Copy a whole partition of a
Gig or more from one drive to another (on separate ide channels) Whether you
set the udma to mode 2 4 or 5 you get the same rate to the limits of accuracy
of the test. I have doe this more than once using UDMA5 capable drives and a
Promise controller.
A lot of these tests are highly drive and controller dependent. as well as
dependent on what else is running at time of test. Nevertheless your
information is very valuable in helping us refine this procedure.
from test 1 to test 2
Killed Netscape
from test 2 to test 3
Killed Konqueror
I _never_ kill emacsg
[root@civileme /root]# hdparm -i /dev/hda
/dev/hda:
Model=Maxtor 51536H2, FwRev=JAC61HU0, SerialNo=F208FBPC
Config={ Fixed }
RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=57
BuffType=DualPortCache, BuffSize=2048kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=16
CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=2920
IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
PIO modes: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 *udma4 udma5
[root@civileme /root]# hdparm -t /dev/hda
/dev/hda:
Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 2.57 seconds = 24.90 MB/sec
[root@civileme /root]#
[root@civileme /root]# hdparm -t /dev/hda
/dev/hda:
Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 2.14 seconds = 29.91 MB/sec
[root@civileme /root]#
[root@civileme /root]# hdparm -t /dev/hda
/dev/hda:
Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 2.02 seconds = 31.68 MB/sec
[root@civileme /root]#
Please note that this is a 66 disk on a 66-capable chipset.
Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Very weak ATA100 support in Mandrake!
OK let's begin by comparing apples to apples. Most IDE setups, including Promise, are correctly detected and set up by the installer and handled properly by the kernel. This includes ATA/100 or UDMA5. Some folks have more IDE channels than are autoprobed. Drive i on 7.2 will never be autodetected... It has to be configured after boot, because while major and minor numbers exist, it is not autoprobed (Run modprobe -c for yourself). Some folks have streaming problems on CD burning. I know this doesn't sound like the same problem, but it appears to be related to one or more of the problems I will categorize here. 1. ASUS A7V -- to detect the embedded Promise controller you have to boot the CD in rescue mode and lspci -vv | less and scroll through the output. The current advice on mandrakeuser.org is to do linux ide2=0xa000 0x9802 (which sets the controller up to run drives e and f) and the 0xa000 and 0x9800 are the first of five hex numbers attached to the irq where the drives set up. It is done for ide2 because the oters are already assigned by autodetection and there is a need to keep things simple. Of course strings to the install kernel could reassign all the drives if desired. And the bootloader is a followup--the append strings must be given to LILO or Grub for transmission to the boot kernel. 2. LG CDRWs seem to have a problem with the ATA/100 backport for 7.2, because kernels compiled without them run and burn CDRWs fine while those with them balk at setting DMA on the CDRW which can, but not necessarily does, break streaming. Results with burning are mixed, sometimes working, sometimes not. This occurs whether or not there are any other IDE devices on te system and with selected motherboards. Aditional reports are welcome. 3. Setting DMA on some systems (and this happens on so few that we have little data) simply does not work for one or more drives, and we have a partition check that hangs the system. It might be related to a CDRW or to a Promise ATA/66 Controller. More data is welcome. Particularly welcome is any data of anyone able to reproduce this error _without_ WD drives. Unfortunately, this brand seems to be a factor in the failures, and it does have hardware differences from other drives. One empirical factor is that setting idex=noautotune sometimes stops this behavior (where x is the offending channel). Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Very weak ATA100 support in Mandrake!
On Friday 16 February 2001 05:58, you wrote: Eugenio Diaz wrote: Well, despite all that effort in documenting the problem, no action has been taken to solve it. But action has been taken, in the ongoing development sense, but not the field support sense. Maybe by the kernel team rather than Mandrake. For example I installed the latest Cooker yesterday (kernel 2.4.1-12mdk) and it happily installs and runs through the Promise Mass Storage chip. As I test new kernels, I see that some times they work, and when the next update comes, it does not work again; which leads me to believe there is a real problem with the ide patches. And under no circumstance is this an intermittent hw problem, since 2.2.16 work every time, and the ones that don't fail every time. I normally just update my rpms, and have an install that went from RH 5.2 to Rawhide to Cooker; and for a while I thought the problem was because of that, but when I tried doing a boot from the install image, I got the same problem, which means that anybody that has a Promise (may be with WD drives) based ATA66/100 will fail to install Mandrake. Isn't that important enough to get some attention? Yes, it certainly is. I for one complained loudly and got this reply from Pixel: "Ron Stodden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: " I think it inescapable that 7.2 and Cooker (both tree (floppy images, etc) and isos) are reissued supporting ATA100 drives, since there are so many already in the market and 7.2 is the current Mandrake Linux. "For the moment i don't care much, i'm using the old 7.2 boot kernel until the 2.4 ramdisk bug is fixed. *Then* you will have (b)leading edge!" Assuming that is imminent, it's good news. But I still think he does not appreciate the field support, retrofit, recall, implications for 7.2 downloaders or purchasers - maybe that belongs to Mandrake QA? Yep, it does. Probably all it would take is a little note attached to all unsold copies with the append string to enable the Promise IDE channels as IDE 2 3 so that the installer can find these drives. Well, tell me more and I'll make sure it is at least on the web site at 72last--just email privately. Or showing how to disable both the existing IDE channels and with the required lilo append string to make the Promise IDE channels appear as IDE 0 1? MandrakeSoft may be hopefully hiding behind the imminent release of 8.0, plus maybe there have not been that many registered complaints received about this difficulty. Muse: It is strange that Promise chose that way of doing it. On Windows it is acceptable because shifting your hard drive farm from IDE0 1 to IDE 2 3 will cause the same drive letters to be assigned to the same partitions. But on Linux that concept does not apply, and Promise should have known that. Changing your disk farm from hda, hdb, hdc and hdd to hde, hdf, hdg hdh is not trivial since none of those Linuxes will run any more and it takes work from another running Linux located somewhere else to fix them up.IMHO, Promise should be taken out and shot! Yet they have your money and you have their chip.g How about doing this? Since you have 2.4 on a machine with this particular chip (we have NO examples) check the speed with hdparm and the settings. How much tuning has happened? What can you produce if you leave autotune out and try hdparm settings yourself? Which method works better? And a dmesg with your report would be helpful. Their mass storage chip should have taken over all 4 IDE channels at ATA100. I agree, but then what would happen to ide controllers plugged into the motherboard, like other Promise cards? I am sure Promise thought of that. Civileme -- QA/Software Testing
Re: [Cooker] SGI's XFS pre-release
On Wednesday 07 February 2001 13:37, you wrote: --- "J . A . Magallon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 02.06 Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Eugenio Diaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Not only that, but XFS is a proven (in my opinion the best) enterprise class file system. It brings performance, scalability, security, QoS features, uptime, and more to Linux. I don't think reiserfs and XFS can be put in the same category. Just to start, XFS is a port of a proven product, while reiserfs is a *relatively* new and unproven product. It's rather sad to see that SGI has written a patch to Anaconda to support XFS, and they don't care about our installer :-(.. They distribute RedHat for their intel machines, don't be surprised not to care about anything more (althoug I have heard something about TurbuLinux...) They decided not to provide a SGI distro, and instead go with an existent distro, and provide any SGI specific enhancements in a separate software package called SGI Pro Pack which works with RH, SUSE, TurboLinux, and Debian (why not Mandrake also? Ask MandrakeSoft). Check: http://www.sgi.com/software/linux/propack/tech_info.html http://www.sgi.com/software/linux/propack/faq.html Yes, they ship with RH, NT or No OS, but they will support any distro that complies with their basic requirements. They have worked with SUSE on high-availability: http://www.sgi.com/newsroom/press_releases/2000/february/suse.html http://www.sgi.com/newsroom/press_releases/2000/august/suse.html they even partnered with a competing hardware vendor, VA/Linux to help the Debian cause: http://www.sgi.com/newsroom/press_releases/1999/oct/sgi_oreilly.html so don't tell me they don't play nice with others (as long as those others are *willing*). If you care to submit a story to mandrakeforum about this, I will make sure it is published. I think you are possibly overestimating our available time to pursue opportunities, but mandrakeforum is where you can make your case for one choice over many others. FYI, Mandrake 7.2 installed but would not boot on those SGI servers. It had to do with a conflict of bigmem and reiserfs for the kernel. One company did install Mandrake on SGI servers after cutting memory back to 1Gb, then recompiling the kernel and reinstalling the extra memory. It worked. Still, XFS needs to be described by someone competent to do so (like you) in terms of _benefits_ rather than features on a forum that reaches those who control the resources available. For the developers here, they are trying to remember that the objective is to drain the swamp while up to their eyeballs in alligators. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] rtl8139 on the network boot disk
On Wednesday 31 January 2001 17:39, you wrote: Ummm try turning off PnP OS in your BIOS--reliable as a rain dance but what do you have to lose? Last night I tried both on and off, to no avail. And I installed Win98SE and the card works in that, so I know it's not bad hardware. So I've narrowed it down to IRQs (which I thought didn't matter any more in this brave new world of PCI, but what do I know?). I ripped out the sound card, just in case, leaving the network card, video card (Matrox Millennium II), and a Voodoo 1 card. And, I figured out, USB. It's not a card, but it was using an IRQ. The same IRQ as my NIC. (Different I/O range, but same IRQ) No matter what I did, no matter how I changed it in Windows (using the handy-dandy Device Manager), it always set the IRQ of my NIC and the IRQ for the USB to the same thing. That's probably due to the whole "IRQ routing" thing I know nothing about, right? So I looked around in the BIOS and found an entry "Assign IRQ to USB". I set that to disabled. But it didn't solve my problem. It did, however generate different output during the bootup. (Now, work with me here, I was reading it as fast as I could as it scrolled by, but this should be close.) Either way, with "IRQ for USB" enabled or disabled, I get this: 4 Unknown bridge resource 0: assuming transparent 4 Unknown bridge resource 1: assuming transparent 4 Unknown bridge resource 2: assuming transparent 4 PCI: Using IRQ router PIIX (8086/7110) at 00:07.0 If I disable "IRQ for USB", I also get this, : 4 PCI: Found IRQ 10 for device 00:07.2 4 PCI: The same IRQ used for device 00:09.0 Does any of that make sense to anyone? Cause I'm pretty sure it relates to my problem, but being a Java programmer by trade, not a kernel hacker, I'm a bit stumped. :-) Eaon p.s. This may be getting way beyond a cooker problem, and if it is, feel free to tell me to junk the whole thing and do something different. ;-) I think you are on the right track... Assign the USB to an unused IRQ and try swapping slots (some PCI slots will handle only certain interrupts, but since interrupts can be shared, everything should be OK, right? ...Wrong, espcially with NICs). It should not be necessary to pull cards. Question. Is the NIC in the slot next to where you would have an agp video card? If so, it tries to share an interrupt with AGP... Doesn't work very well--activate network and screen blanks. This is true only of some AGPs--RAGE IIC and Intel EtherPro 10/100 were infamous for this. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] rtl8139 on the network boot disk
On Tuesday 30 January 2001 17:20, you wrote: Well, it didn't work. I fmirror'd when I got home last night, and saw a new network.img come down, so I tried that with 8139too.o. No go. I then tried compiling rtl8139.o on my existing 7.2 system and adding it through expert mode, and that failed too. So that leaves me with: a) It needs some parameters to the module that I don't now, or b) it's an IRQ conflict - how do I deal with that? Parameters that I don't know, probably, or c) it's a hardware problem, and I've got bigger fish to fry, as it were. I think tonight I'll install Win(bloze)98 and see if its fab-o nifty plug and pray can find the card (how's that for asking to be flamed). If it can't either, then I know I've got a hardware problem. If it can, then it's (a) or (b). But it's looking less and less like a software issue, and more like a quirk of my system. Eaon Ummm try turning off PnP OS in your BIOS--reliable as a rain dance but what do you have to lose? Civileme -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 5:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Eaon Subject: Re: [Cooker] rtl8139 on the network boot disk "Eaon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, actually, I did try that one, mainly because it looked so promising (the magic number "8139" and all). It didn't work. So then I got frustrated and went down the entire list and tried each and every module listed, all to no good effect. :-) Is it picky about the I/O address or anything (I'm pretty sure the BIOS is set to "Plug and play OS = NO" - would that matter?). I dunno, I'm just guessing there. Maybe I've actually found a bug. Wouldn't that be exciting for me. If it's a PCI card, apart from a IRQ/DMA conflict everything should run fine.. Anyway, the thread titled "install hd.img for BusLogic" has a reference to using expert mode to choose extra modules (quoting Guillaume Cottenceau: "Copy it on an ext2-filesystem'ed floppy, type "expert" at boot time and put this floppy as an additional modules floppy."). Silly me, not being so full of myself as to consider myself an expert (I always choose expert or "custom" when install M$ stuff, why not Linux stuff). :-) I'll see what I can make of that tonight (build rtl8139.o on my 7.2 box and insert it using expert mode). Be careful, this is done at very early stage, so you have to manually provide all potential modules requirements to each modules (f.ex. advansys.o requires scsi_mod.o). Also, in expert mode, no PCI autoprobing is done. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://us.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] Glide not yet 'new lib policy' compliant ?
On Monday 15 January 2001 10:56, you wrote: Hello. While attempted to rebuild XFree86-4.0.2 for Mandrake 7.2, i was prevented by concurring build requirement : Glide_V3-DRI-devel Glide_V2-devel Trying to install the first conflict with the second, even with rebuild cooker packages : file /usr/lib/libglide3.so from install of Glide_V3-DRI-devel-cvs-2mdk conflicts with file from package Glide_V2-devel-2.53-6mdk Maybe the fact that libs are not in their own package, as per new lib policy, is the cause. But how was XFree build for cooker ? Ummm, I think Glide_V3 now includes V2 support. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Zope
http://linuxgazette.com/issue57/nielsen2.html has a great example of how to use Zope. Apache. and Python together. mod_snake and such are available pretty easily. The author of the article has his own web site at http://www.tcu-inc.com and is gainfully self-employed as a programmer in this very same area. Civileme On Saturday 13 January 2001 14:28, you wrote: Hi all, I've been interested in Zope for a while, it seems like a promissing application platform... Mandrake provides Zope packages. Here are my observations about Zope (please correct me if I'm wrong): 1) The Zope version in the 7.2 updates is newer than the Zope version in cooker; 2) Zope seems to require python 1.5, the Zope package in cooker doesn't compile due to this -- mymath.h seems to be needed, see: http://d10179.upc-d.chello.nl/build/cooker/alpha/problem/Zope-2.1.6-4mdk.sr c.rpm.txt. The 2.2.4 package from the 7.2 updates produces similar results when rebuilt; 3) The latest release of Zope is 2.2.5 (http://www.zope.org/); 4) Configuring Zope to make it work with an other webserver (let's say: apache) requires quite some magick (I've found out that I'm too stupid for it, as I gave up the last time I tried). Hints on how todo this point to serveral URL's, documentation etc. It should be possible to make this easier -- make it work out-of-the-box; 5) Zope.org only delivers a tgz file, not RPM's. The Zope src.rpm's seem to be originating from: http://starship.python.net/crew/jrush/Zope/ (correct me if I'm wrong); 6) Is anybody actually using this stuff? Please speak up!! 7) There are tonnes of Zope applications out there which (when packaged) could make building a nice ASP site trivial; 8) Maintaining this package must be hell; So: what's the future like for the Mandrake Zope packages? For cooker item #2 is a show-stopper for Zope. If it can't compile / run on python 2.0 then we have a problem. I'd like to update the package to 2.2.5 and make the install a bit user-friendlier (I've got some idea's about this -- need to discuss it with JM). Stefan
Re: [Cooker] UDMA (was isa-pnp)
They are: IBM-DPTA-372050 and IBM-DTTA-351350. Very good drives--but check your cables. Already one person with data corruption on UDMA with an IBM drive (for the first time with THIS kernel) turned out to have a cabling problem which was detected for the first time by the extra sensitivity of the kernel ide drivers. And the whole idea of UDMA-33 / UDMA-66 / UDMA-100 is, that you wont get errors as the protocol has error-correction/checksumming whatever, so that UDMA should be the safest bet. True unless you have the misfortune to own WD. They have 600 byte sectors to store the CRC sent from the mobo and feed it back--they do not do a CRC. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] The problem is Descent3...
On Saturday 23 December 2000 11:50, you wrote: On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Alan Olsen wrote: Has anyone been able to get GLX to work correctly on 4.0.2 with anything that uses multi-textures? (Descent3 and Quake are two examples.) I get a nasty smearing effect on multi-textures with 4.0.2. I have tried multiple options to get around this, but nothing has worked. (I have tested Descent3. I am going to test Quake III as soon as this rebuild is done.) Any luck with this? Turns out the only program I can find that does this is Descent 3. Have no clue why anymore. Sorry for the panic. (Figures, the first program I use for testing turns out to be the botched one...) BTW, I am getting about 25% better performance between 4.0.1 with the Matrox supplied drivers and the stock 4.0.2 drivers. The 4.0.2 drivers with the 2.4.0test12 kernel ROCKS! I am getting a consistant 1265 frames per second on Mesa gears! (Before the readings would jump around quite a bit.) Now back to more important things... [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply Alan Olsen| to my mail, just hit the ctrl, alt and del keys. "In the future, everything will have its 15 minutes of blame." I tested 72. for compatibility with Descent3 and it does work. You need 3D acceleration, and if you choose any color depth but 16 bit on install you not only break the accel, it doesn't set up the load 'glx' statement in XFree-4.0.1 which makes it an automatic failure for Descent3 But if you read the doc and realize that 3D accel works ONLY in 65535 colors, then you get a good install and Descent3 runs like a champ. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] problem with XFree 4.0.2
On Friday 22 December 2000 13:46, you wrote: On a stock 7.2 box upgraded to cooker recently: XFree86 4.0.2 reports _FontTransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2 failed to set default font path 'unix/:-1' Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' i have *4.0.2-1mdk* installed, and have tried with multiple video cards. what could be wrong? Jason Your font server is dead, probably due to some font with Caps in its file name. Look around for the unlinked font directory and correct it with chkfontpath. Civileme
[Cooker] XFree-4.0.2
Wow, what a rush! Some things need correction: KDE 2.0.1 is on /Mandrake-devel/unsupported directory for 7.2 XFree-4.0.2 can be found (for 7.2) at ftp://mandragon.org/pub/mandrake And the latter is NOT from Mandrake directly but from a LM user named Eric Guntermann. Sometimes in these discussions, we lose sight of what GNU/Linux is all about and our faith in the process of the free software community flags. Yes, there probably will be some subscription update service when we can organize it. The trick is to make it profitable, paying not only for its own cost but for the dimunition of the revenue stream of people not buying the newest boxed sets because they already have the updates, but that is more a business and feasibility issue than a technical or moral one. And most of the people on this list know very well there is more to the scheme than taking the SRPM and rpm --rebuild when you speak of a major package like XFree. Anyway, thanks Pedro for your well-tought out contribution. If any think there is more value in continuing this discussion, I invite them to post a story to http://www.mandrakeforum.com so others may benefit. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Some Linux versions can't handle Pentium 4 - is mandrake among them?
On Tuesday 12 December 2000 15:52, you wrote: Some Linux versions can't handle Pentium 4 source of the article is here: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-201-4102829-0.html?tag=st.ne.ron.lthd Can somebody with LM 7.2 comment - does it work with Pentium 4? I believe the only problem can be is motherboard chipset support (I don't belive somebody has Pentium-4 optimized kernel, compiled with extra pentium-4 instructions) And, I also invite everybody subscribed to Cooker to visit that page and put your comments (there is some kind of duscussion forum for every article on C-Net) It can give some more visibility to MandrakeSoft Linux Mandrake, and everybody will benefit from it, IMHO. See http://www.mandrakeforum.com. The article should still be on the first page re: P4. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] KDE 2.0
On Tuesday 12 December 2000 21:40, you wrote: Do these RPMS include all of the mandrake goodies, or are they straight from KDE.org? ...John civileme wrote: Look in /Mandrake-devel/unsupported and you will find what you seek. Civileme there is a "mdk" in the name of the rpm Civ
Re: [Cooker] slocate freezes system on Reiser system...!!
On Tuesday 12 December 2000 22:43, you wrote: Has anyone else encountered this: This is on a virgin, new install of a Mandrake 7.2 system. Every morning, same time (4:02am) the system locks up and freezes hard, requiring a power cycle. Suspecting a cron job, I ran each manually in the cron.daily directory, until the same lock-up happened with the slocate cron.daily job. Since nothing has been customized or changed versus a standard system, I'm wondering if anyone else has encountered his, and what the possible fix would be. This is a similar problem that has also happened on an identically configured RedHat 7.0 system. The common factor between the two systems is that both are configured with ReiserFS, which is, BTW, what I suspect to be the relevant factor. Any ideas? Recompile the kernel with the Reiserfs check set (it will be slow, but you will get the diagnostics you seek). Civileme Harry
Re: [Cooker] KDE 2.0
On Tuesday 12 December 2000 07:56, you wrote: Hello I am looking for some answers to a few questions of mine. I want to upgrade to KDE 2.0.1 from 2.0 but don't want to try source code. I see that in cooker there is kde 2.1 rpms, and am wondering what the version numbering is meaning. Is this kde 2.0.1? Also is there any warnings about installing the development set of rpms right now. I just don't want to mess up my system by jumping the gun and not be able to go back to the 2.0 release easily. I kind of depend on being able to use this computer :) So any insight would be welcome. I am running Linux Mandrake 7.2, and I must say it is a AWESOME distribution, GREAT JOB!!! Thanks Much Joseph DON'T use Cooker rpms for 7.2 Look in /Mandrake-devel/unsupported and you will find what you seek. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Optimizing for Athlon/Duron?
On Tuesday 05 December 2000 19:44, you wrote: Hello, One of the things that I like most about Linux-Mandrake is that it is optimized for Pentium-class machines. I find that it gives a real speedup. However, after watching the latest Pentium4/FlasK Mpeg debacle on Tom's Hardware, it occurred to me that perhaps an Athlon/Duron optimized build would be nice also. There seems to be some precedent in that a 386-compiled version is usually released a little while after the pentium-compiled release. Are there any plans to do this? Ummm, that's a 486 compiled version. If you can find a 386 to run KDE/Netscape/StarOffice, I'll eat it without mayonnaise. VanL Umm, almost exactly the same instruction set. Moreover, some experiments showed optimizing for the 686-class machines SLOWED the product. We probably need better optimizing compilers, designed for optimizing AMDs, than are available today to make any real gains. Finally, 686-class code tightens the timing requirements on IDE beyond what we have now, and there's way too much sloppy hardware out there. We have people who could boot 7.0 and 7.1 who can't touch 7.2 cause the kernel was changed to accommodate ATA/100 drives (and works fine with 386 code) but the leeway or slop allowed from stated specification tolerances for IDE hardware are very tiny with 586 code... Meaning that bad hardware doesn't boot _because_ we optimize, and many users say mandrake sucks because it won't boot on their hardware. Of course, you have been added to the list of potential volunteer testers, for when testing becomes practical. .-) Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Burners
No kernel rebuilding you need append="ide-scsi" in your boot routine (Drakboot can help you) and modprobe ide-scsi somewhere, as in a console or xterm or /etc/rc.d/rc.local or /etc/conf.modules /etc/conf.modules is probably the best place to put it as alias block-major-11 ide-scsi postinstall modprobe ide-scsi Anyway, one of those techniques will work for you. Remember also that you burn unmounted and also blank in that condition. If you leave a blank in the burner and it is supermounted, your system may not come back from power saver. Civileme root wrote: Hi, I'm going to be upgrading to a new ide burner...the HP 9300I and need to know some information. #1, how well does it work in Linux #2, will I have to recompile the kernel to make it into an emulated scsi device? If the kernel must be recompiled, I have a recomendation for the kernel crew: Build the kernel so that atapi devices such as burners are automatically setup as scsi emulation. I know how to build the kernel, but always end up pulling my hair out when I build a custom kernel. B. K. Barley
Re: [Cooker] How to run NT within Mdk
Well, if you want to run Windows applications, WINE does many, and if you want to run the system you have two commercial choices http://www.trelos.com/trelos/Trelos/Products/Product_Information.htm (Win4Lin) which will do Win98 variants at the moment, and http://www.vmware.com/ has a product that will run Windows NT, 98, 2000 on linux but you need a fast processor and lotsa memory and of course the windows license. I have migrated my users to linux so that we no longer need windows apps, but that is a rare occurrence as yet. And for our purposes, we are inter operable with all the rest of the folks. (Fortunately we don't need any *.asf capabilities nor are we likely to.) VMware has in the past shown itself to be kernel-sensitive. Often the kernel has to be recompiled to accommodate it. Civileme Thomas Smets wrote: I gess the Subject is clear enough... Could some one indicate what is the emulator I should use be able to run my NT partition from Mdk ? Tx, Thomas, p.s. : if there're tricky settings to closely watch, it's always of help. Thomas SMETS - Application engineer Sydney-Tristar Devlopment Company Kattegatstraat 8 bus 7 B-3500 Hasselt - België e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tél. : +32 (0)11 / 26. 32. 50. Fax : +32 (0)11 / 22. 18. 31.
Re: [Cooker] a pure RMS compliant Linux-Mandrake distro (only GPLpackages)
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Hi, In Bordeaux some people criticized us for delivering non-free software like Netscape in our first CD that we label "GPL Edition" is its standalone version. Now we have a (rather funny) idea : why not trying to see if it's possible to build up a 100% GPL product? This would involve removing anything but GPL-ized stuff, that is XFree86, apache, etc. Does anyone here is interested in looking after this product? What? Give up kde? And Konqueror? and Apache? I couldn't even use Grail for a browser What about LGPL stuff? And WEBMIN would be on the ropes... BSD license Hmmm, an embeddable RMS compatible product might have some appeal--concentrate on tinyness and control applications , and an abbreviated set of utilities a la BUSYBOX, we might have something that would sell. But then again, it might be fun to try running svgalib stuff. I don't think it would find broad acceptance, but for a linux-based equivalent of a palm pilot, it would make sense.. And more than a few would probably find space in glass cases for one of the pressed CDs--a future archeological treasure. I have a Silicon Grasphics Indy I could make available to the project, and a 30-pin SIMM containing a DragonballEZ Microcontroller with Flashable ROM. ...linked to an RJ-45 and to a serial port.. With Motorola 68388 and MIPS processors supported, we might have a nice embeddable. It would be a fun project. Civileme -- "Pixel, il faut mettre un peu de chaleur dans tes contacts humains" (c) Titi
Re: [Cooker] ftp.linux.tucows.com
Alexander Skwar wrote: On Fri, Jul 07, 2000 at 04:23:01PM -0600, Vincent Danen wrote: from? This 13.5kB/s is *painful*, especially considering I have ADSL. This makes me "sick" :] 13.5 kB/s painful? Come on, I downloaded the ISO images with ISDN at about 6 kB/s You americans don't know good your connections are. Not all of usg I am in the arctic and 53 kilometers east of Tomorrow and I have two geostationary commsat bounces in my route. Anyone else have a data path over 90,000 miles long? Civileme
Re: [Cooker] IDE patches unstable?
Eugenio Diaz wrote: For me, it's a hardware bug (hd or cable; eg, for udma66, lots of read error were due to bad cables ...) No way! The 2.2.17-*mdk rpms have IDE fucked up. On my machine it hangs (lock keys don't switch lights) when it goes to check the partition tables, with an UDMA time-out. 2.2.16-9mdk works fine. Several other people have also complained. I have a gateway PPro200 G6 + Promise Ultra66 + 3x WD drives + 1x Maxtor. It chokes on one of the 3 WD. Andre Hedrick has had quite a lot to say about the WD, expecially in combo with Maxtor (on same cable) and their ability to destroy each other's data with timing chatter. http://kt.linuxcare.com circa mid-February. There are some severe hardware problems, a result of cheap corner-cutting design (like blowing off the CRC) which are exacerbated by 486, 586, and 686 code. I am running an overclocked Duron which hits the IDE bus at 70 MHz and haven't had a whimper out of the IBM drives there. I will give 2.2.17 a trial and report within 24 hours. (I know a Seagate ST38641 just plain locks up in this situation, even without the overclocking) Civileme All the drives are on the Promise card, the mobo IDE only has a CDROM and a CDRW. According to /proc/ide/* the IDE chipsets on the machine are "Intel PII3X" for the mobo, and "PDC20262" for the Promise card. = Eugenio Diaz, BSEE/BSCE Linux Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Re: [Cooker] 192mb ram not detected
Alan Shoemaker wrote: Civileme.excuse me a moment, but I've been under the impression that the 'm' following the number is case sensitive and needs to be upper case, as in "mem=192M". Is my impression incorrect? Alan Ummm, well at least one doc says upper-case, but it doesn't always work. Lower case works every time, so I have taken up the habit of using it. Civileme the full 192mb 1. open up your BIOS and close the hole at 15Mb 2. after booting with that--login as root and run top/ktop or free to see what your memory is. If it now shows 64M, then edit /etc/lilo.conf IF there is a line like append="hdc=ide-scsi" then make it look like append="hdc=ide-scsi mem=191m" Otherwise, create the append line append="mem=191m"
Re: [Cooker] AMD Athlons and their motherboards. Oh, Aureal Vortexesas well.
Alex Boag-Munroe wrote: Hi all, I was wondering, has anyone experienced this problem? I have a 1Ghz Athlon with a choice of two motherboards. One is an AOpen KX133 board. This all works fine, except when I install the Aureal Vortex 2 driver onto my system, any attempt at playing a sound locks the system solid. (I know this is not a Linux issue as it does this in Windows also). The other is a Microstar K7M, with the AMD 750 chipset. After a fresh install of MDK 7.1, it hangs when "Starting hard drive optimisations for HDC). It starts the optimisations for hda just fine. ARGH! I do hope anyone can help me. Ta Alex What is /dev/hdc? Some hdds are already on a list to be skipped for DMA/UDMA and more need to be added, because their timing just isn't up to it. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] 192mb ram not detected
Michael M Walker wrote: i installed mandrake 7.1 for the third time and each time it reports that i have 14mb of ram and this is really slow it takes too long to start up or to open a program this is what i have for hardware epmvp3c2 motherboard amdk6-2 500mhz 192mb sdram micron riva tnt2 16mb agp 3dfx voodoo2 32mb pci there is more but it is not relevant my question is how can i change the amount of ram my self so it will use the full 192mb 1. open up your BIOS and close the hole at 15Mb 2. after booting with that--login as root and run top/ktop or free to see what your memory is. If it now shows 64M, then edit /etc/lilo.conf IF there is a line like append="hdc=ide-scsi" then make it look like append="hdc=ide-scsi mem=191m" Otherwise, create the append line append="mem=191m" save # /sbin/lilo # shutdown -r now And your full mem should be there Of course you lose GRUB if you were using it, but there is plenty of doc on how to do this for GRUB. The lilo doc is not quite as specific unless sommething has been done in the User manual. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Netscape 6.0 and good?
David BAUDENS wrote: Alex Boag-Munroe écrivit : 4.73 is stable? I would suppose that depends on your definition of stable. I have a little script running in the background that checks at 5-minute intervals to see if anything that greps ux.so.2 is hogging 98% or more Cpu time and kill -9s it. I see my log from it suggests that it activates about once a day. Yes, it is. AhemI don't call having to delete your Netscape folder every week because Netscape keeps hanging stable. I have a cron job that does rm -R -f ~/.netscape/cache #DAILY If I don't use it, netscape fills up my home directory with ~/.netscape/cache/00 ~/.netscape/cache/01 . . . ~/.netscape/cache/1b etc I have noted the following things: THe runaways occur much more frequently on the basic rigs--64M memory and p-200 equivalent processor (ESPECIALLY Cyrix processors). www.wolfhome.com a site with php3 and javascript will make even a hefty rig blink out (leaving the kludge glibc20 library process running but all instantiations of netscape dead after 7-10 minutes normal use). So I suppose stability could be measured by saying "stays up long enough to place a web order". It is stable--for most purposes--for that. One that always killed, www.computergate.com, I managed to slip into last night--I hit stop before it finished loading the initial page and escaped the killer code. What are you doing to must erase your ~/.netscape every week? Mine is more than one year old. If yours is more than a year old, try this ls -a -l -R -H ~/.netscape | grep ./ -A 1 The results might surprise you. Actually the best results I have had are with 4.72 strong encryption. When, how, where and on what Netscape crashes? Do you Netscape from Linux-Mandrake? If yes, what version? 4.7 was stable. Less. Experience--with 4.7 I could not open an Angelfire suite that had their neat little Javascript-driven pop-up ad. I could with 4.73, most times, depending on what I had been doing. Such a shame there is no IE port for Linux. I know we don't like MS, but you have to admit, they do have a nice browser. Right. Especially on Mac OS. It is a continuing source of embarassment for the management here that the users all hate their browser. Many of them were netscape fans when they had windows, too. -- MandrakeSofthttp://www.mandrakesoft.com PARIS, FRANCE --David Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Postfix NOT working by default
Daniel wrote: The default installation of postfix that comes with Mandrake does not work by default. If I try to use pine to send a message it freezes up pine fot more than a minute. It get's stuck at 0% of sending the message. It does this with other mail readers too like mutt. Getting the latest postfix source and recompiling seems to fix this problem. But I am wondering if anyone else has had this problem? I've experienced it in several different computers. At home, at workstations at school, and on a server at school I've had to recompile postfix to get it to work.Any ideas/solutions? It would be really nice for it to work out of the box.. Daniel Tabuenca [EMAIL PROTECTED] System Administrator Computer Science Department University of California Riverside What version--where did you get it? From Helium iso images I burned CDs and have 4 installations and postfix worked first time, every time.. Did you rsync a more recent version from cooker? Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Ethernet configuration
Grégoire Colbert wrote: Hi! I installed today Mandrake 7.0 on a box with an old ISA Ethernet card. Unfortunately I haven't succeeded in making it work (I bought a PCI card a few hours later). But still I have a question : what is the Ethernet configuration tool under Mandrake?? As far as I've seen, there are "etherconfig", "lothar" and "kudzu". I may have misunderstood the role of each one, anyway it's unclear, to say the least, in Mandrake 7.0. =( Bye, Gregus PS : Direct your comments to my email address please, I'm not subscribed to Cooker list at the moment. There are many tools Here is what I use if I am in a hurry DrakConf- Linuxconf - Networking - Basic Host configuration - Adapters Put in the hostname and IP addr you want to use for the adapter, and the name (eth0, eth1, etc from the drop-down list) Set the netmask Use the module appropriate to the card from the drop-down list. Set any special parameters (0x220io 09irq, etc) Tick "Enabled" Quit quit quit activate changes Go on to use it as you need Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Netscape 6.0 and good?
bobby dowling wrote: Why didn't 7.1 include the latest Netscape? I have read reviews that it is not the improvement that was hoped for. Is this true? If I want to install 6.0, is it as simple as just removing the current Netscape rpm's and then installing new binaries or source? I hate to ask what seems to be a simple question, but I have learned with Linux, it is better to be safe than stupid. : ) Thanks Again! AFAIK, Netscape 6 is still BETA. If it is beyond that point without significant operating changes, I don' wan' it. IMO, AOL managed to do what Microsoft never could, kill netscape. To have a browser busy loading its damned sidebars for 20 minutes is unacceptable. Moreover it takes 30 minute to remove the rubbish and collapse the sidebars so some production work can be done. Then there are the useless icons for shopping and AOL Instant disaster (sorry, no linux version but it'll try to load anyway). I Beta tested it and for me it failed forever. Konqueror which I am not Beta testing is sleek and efficient and will access the BAd Bad BAD Java sites that would stop MSIE and Netscape in their respective tracks, choking. A few extended things don't work yet, but it is Smth where it works. NO you do NOT need to abandon your current netscape. The new one runs on different directories, or at least it did when I beta'd it. Just DL the puppy and install according to instructions, and may you have less (dis)pleasure from it than I did. And I will be HAPPY when Konqueror is ready and the distro does not have to offer (proprietary) Netscape. Last I looked Netscape 6 wasn't using Java and was confused by login-type sites. But parts of the mailer worked and it supported multiple mail accounts. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] ls120 and ide-floppy (supplement)
CPT KIDD wrote: ok. i finally got it working with some gritting. added the "hdc=ide-floppy" into the grub menu.lst and then had to use the "command line" and NOT the kde floppy icon (kde floppy icon is a script file but which one can specify filesystem type etc...makes life easier when one can use this icon!) but, I can only mount the ls120 as "root" on command line prompt: mount -t ext2 /dev/ls120 /mnt/ls120 If you want to mount as user, put a line like this in /etc/fstab /dev/ls120 /mnt/ls120 auto noauto,user,nohide,umask=0 0 0 and change the target of the icon to point to that line I also formated this floppy with: mke2fs /dev/hdc1440 The ide-floppy module appears to be loading fine now (along with ide-scsi) (lilo was unhappy with these 2 commands in it's lilo.conf! @#$@#$) you use append="hdb=ide-scsi hdc=ide-floppy" (for example)to get them both in without complaint now for the task of reading msdos and vfat on this ls120 drive. - My ICQ#: 36645898 - Created with Mandrake 7.0! http://www.linux-mandrake.com
Re: [Cooker] Flashing keyboard light
Alex Boag-Munroe wrote: Could be a virus, a dodgy keyboard cable, or dodgy keyboard controller. -Original Message- From: Jim Bradley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 29 June 2000 6:48 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Cooker] Flashing keyboard light The keyboard lights (Num Lock, Caps Lock, Scroll Lock) on my computer are intermittantly flashing every few seconds. During typing, if you hit a key at the moment it is flashing, character is dropped. I've not found what is running in the background to cause this. Any known causes? Thanks. Jim Bradley -- Maryville, MO USA ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Name: winmail.dat winmail.datType: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) Encoding: x-uuencode There are also a couple of proggies that use the keyboard lights to indicate network traffic--check freshmeat. Could someone have installed and activated one of those mini-daemons? Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Netscape 6.0 and good?
Alex Boag-Munroe wrote: Nutscrape is crap. Are there any decent *working* alternatives? Well, it isn't crash-proof and it needs help on _some_ authentication sites, but mostly Konqueror works now in the second of four planned Betas leading to September release. Using it is as simple as getting the kde2 stuff from Mandrake-devel contribs. Civileme -Original Message- From: Geoffrey Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 30 June 2000 4:38 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Cooker] Netscape 6.0 and good? -Original Message- From: bobby dowling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 8:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Cooker] Netscape 6.0 and good? Why didn't 7.1 include the latest Netscape? because it's beta I have read reviews that it is not the improvement that was hoped for. Is this true? netscape sucks ... !! If I want to install 6.0, is it as simple as just removing the current Netscape rpm's and then installing new binaries or source? yep, Actually you don't need to give up the _sorta-working_netscape_ to load the new one that doesn't work. They use different directory structures.
[Cooker] Installer question
Well, 7.1 is old news and spun off, now, but I do have a question. In the installer, if you choose supermount and you have an ide CDR/CDRW you get alias scsi_hostadapter1 ide-scsi alias block-major-11 scsi_hostadapter post-install supermount modprobe scsi_hostadapter; modprobe scsi_hostadapter1; ... and we have /dev/scd0 in /etc/fstab but /dev/sr0 in dmesg--this looks like a dodge to burn without un(super)mounting but if we install on the same hardware with NO supermount, we get this output from cat /proc/modules | grep ide-sc " " (everything between the quotes) So is this intentional? Is there a reason to cause no loading of ide-scsi when there is no supermount and a CDRW is present? I can think of a few things, like what happens to ordinary CD drives and ls120s when that module is loaded, but I really need to know to help current 7.1 users. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Netscape 6.0 and good?
Mark Weaver wrote: Excuse me master beta tester *scoffingly sarcastic remark* but which java sites was it that "your" Netscape was choking on. Mine doesn't miss a beat! Never has and likely never will. Can't think of a one and I've been using Netscape since version 2.02. Now using version 4.73 on Linux Mandrake 7.1. Formally a disgruntled Winblows user running same version. Now that you mention it I haven't experienced any of the troubles with the beta version of Netscape 6 that you have. In fact, my youngest uses IM and since we've migrated the family PC from windows he's been using the IM in Netscape6 without a hitch. Loads quickly and nicely. as do the side bars. The only complaint I have so far with this version is that the rendering engine is far slower than 4.60 - 4.73. Can't even hold a candle to them. I like 4.6 a lot better, too. Oh, lessee. www.wolfhome.com should crash you in about 5-10 minutes (completely knocking off the browser, not choking or seizing) Less if you move your personal icon around. www.computergate.com Try to place an order. www.angelfire com free sites (very bad java--I can open it in kfm but netscape can't get past the screen door) One of the nicer features and probably all I'll use this version for IS the side bars. News that is. When I was a windows user I liked using entry Point for news and the like. can't get that for Linux. Netscape 6 fills that role just fine with the news side bars that it has. That's a matter of taste. I don't care for them at all. They are naught but annoyances. For the same reason, I don't much like to use StarOffice--too much in one place and things slow down and I begin to feel like I am moving things out of my way. I prefer packages that don't try to do too many jobs in the same place... Again, a matter of taste. Maybe if you were a little nicer to it and actually new what you were doing it might act better for you. I'm sorry...that wasn't very nice, but frankly your remarks smack of someone who is more of complaining poweruser-wannabe-network-admin, than a REAL beta tester. I must have trodden on your favorite software to give that impression. Check you facts and check in with reality before you blow off next time. Good advice for us all. Of course my situation is that I have nothing else to offer a bunch of windows-user-wannabes who can't get it, because the network and systems I support for my employer are all linux. And netscape has been a continuing source of embarassment, because its abilities were better under windows, and because in many sites MSIE could display properly or do better, (and we both know why the scale was tilted like that). But I for one will be glad when we have an open-source browser and don't have to use netscape. I had even started working on updating an abandoned project, just to find out how much work it would be, cause I haven't seen a really good browser since Netscape 3.0x. Konqueror is encouraging, and I wish it success. And if you like sidebars and get a feeling of being in control (as opposed to the feeling I get of being crowded and overburdened) with a busy screen like that, great. I wish you pleasure and success with Netscape 6. But I won't be using it. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Does anyone *READ* postings on this list?
Hmmm, Well, I usually get it off the contributed software CD from a PowerPack. It hasn't changed versions in a while, so it is unlikely to be found on a list or a directory where the newest and best is being packaged for testing and consumption. But I still have a MANDRAKE rpm of netatalk from my 6.1 Powerpack--probably the most recent. As to why I didn't respond--figured everyone else would, and U don't like to be the one who points out the obvious. Civileme Has L-M discontinued it? I didn't answer because On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, you wrote: I'm asking this now the third time and I would be really, really glad if someone will answer my question. Linux Mandrake claims to be one of the most user-friendly OS's (as a Linux OS) and this is a relation to the user-friendly MacOS, but... ... why is the netatalk package not included in Linux Mandrake? Linux Mandrake is therefore the *only* distribution *I* know which doesn't include netatalk! IMHO this is a bad reputation... BTW: I'm using Mandrake since 5.0 and 7.1 is very nice. regards, Frank Meurer
Re: [Cooker] Does anyone *READ* postings on this list?
Yes, postings get read, by you by me, by people really contributing software as well as testing it, and by real Mandrakesoft employees as well. However, postings about needs for help--not bugs with new packages, get a heck of a lot better response on the "expert" list. This list is about debugging new software, mostly, and there are many here too polite to point out that finding a package or getting install help is a bit off-topic. Please do join the expert list and ask the same questions there. I believe you will find the response friendly and helpful. But on none of these lists does anyone have a right to an answer. If you ask a question I cannot answer and I have time to do the research and I am in the mood to learn something new, I may expend a lot of effort. OTOH if it is something where I have never worked before and I would have to learn a whole new body of knowledge (like configuring Squid when I don't even write HTML, for example), chances are I will pass your question by. Also I don't like to give sharp replies, say 'Read The Fine Material available', or point out the obvious. There are plenty of people to do that. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] SHOW-STOPPER: Cannot export file systems with 7.1
On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, you wrote: My 7.1 installalion included the nfs-utils-clients RPM, but did NOT include the nfs-utils RPM. The nsf-utils RPM includes the essential file /usr/sbin/exportfs without the execution of which no mount points may be exported so that nfs mounts can not be made. An attempt to manually install nfs-utils from the 7.1 tree led to: file /usr/sbin/rpc.rquotad from install of nfs-utils-0.1.7-2mdk conflicts with file from package quota-1.66-11mdk and nfs-utils will not install, even with all the overrides. - If 7.1 cannot be used on networked PCs, this seems like a 7.1 show-stopper. -- QA: Where was any testing of networked operation? -- Regards, Ron. [AU] - sent by Mandrake Linux. I have a 7.1 SERVER running nfs exports since June 6--no glitches yet. I have no idea where your error originattes. Civileme And I have a couple of 7.1 clients using the exports as well as some 7.0s and 6.1s
RE: [Cooker] Mylex RAID controllers, and Adaptec ones too
On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, you wrote: Oh. Well, it is an Adaptec RAID controller. www.adaptec.com Quite popular -Original Message- From: Pixel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 16 June 2000 4:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Cooker] Mylex RAID controllers, and Adaptec ones too Alex Boag-Munroe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What about the Adaptec 1130U2? ?? don't know this one See this http://kt.linuxcare.com/kernel-traffic/latest.epl#5 Adaptec apparently is of the opinion that linux does not form a significant portion of their market. This is typical behavior and is why most Adaptec controllers have to be reverse engineered if supported at all. All I can say is that my SCSI and SCSI RAID controllers are Advansys or other brands, never Adaptec and for the same reason. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] 7.1 experience WorkGroup Server
On Fri, 09 Jun 2000, you wrote: Civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, /etc/postfix/main.cf was read as broken by webmin-0.80 apparently because the hostname wasn't loaded into the file--just left for a default which may not have been read correctly by webmin. uh? on my configuration, the "myhostname" parameter is commented (preceded by a "#") and it works fine.. I set up a test sequence. 1. touch /etc/postfix/webmin CCCKKK!!! /etc/postfix/main.cf I need some strong coffee! 2. put the hostname in and clear the # 3. do 2 plus the next general parameter * * * Anyway, after going back to webmin having performed step 2 and a sync, the whole configuration presented itself for modification. Prior to that, it had said the config file had errors and I must edit it by hand.. Setp 3 was never necessary to be perform. When the config file has errors, the postfix-webmin module cannot do anything..: You deserve one little explanation on that issue: when "postfix check" fails, it verifies that it is connected to a terminal, and if not, doesn't send the failing parameters; so I can't present the errors in the Webmin interface. We got a headache with Francis on this problem, but can't seem to be able to fix it from the Webmin side; (I don't want to patch Postfix for that). To clarify: the initial config file was containing the error? or you did modify it? It was the original, and I used the postfix config as the second webmin action (the first being to lock it down to 127.0.0.1 and the address of my workstation). Based on this experience, a plug to the main.cf file for hostname during install might well clear (workaround) the pb, because postfix check returns an OK once the hostname is plugged in. (I know, if the line is commented, it should default to hostname anyway, but the check doesn't seem to like it) Civileme
Re: [Cooker] hack menu group
On Fri, 09 Jun 2000, you wrote: Let's make a "hack" menu group. When some package is in development (hackgimp, hackmozilla, etc. etc.) we can put those packages in there (with the same structure -- hackmozilla = Hack/Networking/WWW ). The advantage I see is that the menu system is already put into these packages, and keeping them seperate from the "official" distro. Also, once the package is moved into cooker (the hack disapears), then the "hack" is removed from the menu entry. Disadvantage: poluting the current menu structure? What do you think? Stupid idea, isn't it? Stefan Stefan, no ideas are bad or stupid. They all make others think and they often trigger a "useful chain of thought" when they are not in themselves useful. This one seems interesting and deserving of refinement. Civileme
