Re: [Cooker] 8.2 -> 9.0 = NV/X troubles!
Op Saturday 05 October 2002 22:09, schreef Michael Holt: > Why all the bad words about nvidia? I'm using their drivers for my > GeForce3 card and it works great - no problem at all setting it up or > using it. I love my q3a and rtcw (3d games) - which both work without a > hitch. Is there something better out there? Let me know, eh? Hm, I never said anything bad about their drivers (I'm the OP), I just noted that an update from 8.2 with those drivers to 9.0 without those drivers (download-edition) failed because of them. After installing the nvidia-drivers, all went well. But I know how to install them. Most desktop-people who just want a working system, even after an upgrade, don't know... -- Regards, Tim Stoop PGP public key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Random quote/fortune: [A computer is] like an Old Testament god, with a lot of rules and no mercy. -- Joseph Campbell
Re: [Cooker] 8.2 -> 9.0 = NV/X troubles!
On Sat, 5 Oct 2002, Michael Holt wrote: > On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Tom Brinkman uttered these words of wisdom: > > Why all the bad words about nvidia? Probably because some of us who run cooker on NVidia boxen who need working OpenGL are tired of recompiling kernel modules every time we upgrade our kernel. And it's not just NVidia, it's also now Ati, and also the winmodem drivers. > I'm using their drivers for my > GeForce3 card and it works great - no problem at all setting it up or > using it. I love my q3a and rtcw (3d games) - which both work without a > hitch. Is there something better out there? Let me know, eh? Agreed, but see how fun it is to keep up with the cooker kernel for 6 months and let me know ... I still need to get ariound to writing a script I can run from cron for rebuilding all the kernel modules I need (NVidia, Lucent Winmodem) every time kernel-source has been updated ... Buchan -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
RE: [Cooker] 8.2 -> 9.0 = NV/X troubles!
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Holt >Why all the bad words about nvidia? I'm using their drivers for my >GeForce3 card and it works great - no problem at all setting it up or >using it. I love my q3a and rtcw (3d games) - which both work without a >hitch. Is there something better out there? Let me know, eh? To be fair, nvidia's drivers work fine for me also.. I've got some kind of geforce mx400. I needed Nvidia's drivers since I couldn't figure out how to get the card to properly use the dvi port with the stock open source drivers. I'm guessing that the main contempt against nvidia's drivers is they are not open source, and if you have a problem with them your more or less stuck until they release a new version that, hopefully, fixes the problem. I'm also guessing that the reason they are not open source is to try to keep various design methodologies secret from competition who might use that information to improve their own products and cost Nvidia money.. I plan on building a simple linux machine around an nforce motherboard soon. We shall see how that batch of drivers works as well I guess. -Robert
Re: [Cooker] 8.2 -> 9.0 = NV/X troubles!
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Tom Brinkman uttered these words of wisdom: > I've got the same hardware as the original poster. 1.4 Tbird (oc'd to >1.55), 512MB RAM, NVidia GeForce2 DDR. Never had a problem as was >described, I normally don't use the closed source nvidia crap. Tho I >have tested them (3123) as recently as a few days ago. Even compiled a >'sacrifice' kernel so that my regular one (2.4.19-16k7, LM 9.0) >couldn't be tainted. The only problem I did have was gettin nvidia's >B$ uninstalled (drivers were compiled from their src.rpms). > >The XFree 'nv' driver does support 3d accel as of XF 4.2.1. It >appears this is due to some help from VA Linux and SGI. Back to the >untainted kernel and the 'nv' driver, Why all the bad words about nvidia? I'm using their drivers for my GeForce3 card and it works great - no problem at all setting it up or using it. I love my q3a and rtcw (3d games) - which both work without a hitch. Is there something better out there? Let me know, eh? Mike -- Michael Holt Banning, CA(o_ [EMAIL PROTECTED](o_ (o_ //\ www.holt-tech.net(/)_ (/)_ V_/_www.mandrake.com <
Re: [Cooker] 8.2 -> 9.0 = NV/X troubles!
> On Fri Oct 04 22:27 +0100, Biagio Lucini wrote: > > b) the official "nv" driver at present does not work with the > > Geforce2Go c) Orignal post didn't report a Geforce2Go... > > there is a vesion of the "nv" driver in the Xfree86 > > CVS that works with your card, but I think without 3D acceleration > > (for more information, consult the archive of the linux-dell-laptop > > mailing list on Yahoo groups) ... but did report a desktop NVidia GeForce2 DDR On Friday October 4 2002 04:42 pm, Levi Ramsey wrote: > AFAIK, the "nv" driver doesn't support 3D on any card. I've got the same hardware as the original poster. 1.4 Tbird (oc'd to 1.55), 512MB RAM, NVidia GeForce2 DDR. Never had a problem as was described, I normally don't use the closed source nvidia crap. Tho I have tested them (3123) as recently as a few days ago. Even compiled a 'sacrifice' kernel so that my regular one (2.4.19-16k7, LM 9.0) couldn't be tainted. The only problem I did have was gettin nvidia's B$ uninstalled (drivers were compiled from their src.rpms). The XFree 'nv' driver does support 3d accel as of XF 4.2.1. It appears this is due to some help from VA Linux and SGI. Back to the untainted kernel and the 'nv' driver, tom$ glxinfo name of display: :0.0 display: :0 screen: 0 direct rendering: No server glx vendor string: SGI server glx version string: 1.2 server glx extensions: GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context client glx vendor string: SGI client glx version string: 1.2 client glx extensions: GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context GLX extensions: GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context OpenGL vendor string: VA Linux Systems, Inc. OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect OpenGL version string: 1.2 Mesa 3.4.2 OpenGL extensions: GL_ARB_multitexture, GL_EXT_abgr, GL_EXT_blend_color, GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_blend_subtract glu version: 1.3 glu extensions: GLU_EXT_nurbs_tessellator, GLU_EXT_object_space_tess visual x bf lv rg d st colorbuffer ax dp st accumbuffer ms cav id dep cl sp sz l ci b ro r g b a bf th cl r g b a ns b eat -- 0x23 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 None 0x24 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 0 0 0 None 0x25 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 None 0x26 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 0 0 0 None -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas
Re: [Cooker] 8.2 -> 9.0 = NV/X troubles!
On Fri Oct 04 22:27 +0100, Biagio Lucini wrote: > b) the official "nv" driver at present does not work with the Geforce2Go > c) there is a vesion of the "nv" driver in the Xfree86 CVS that works with > your card, but I think without 3D acceleration (for more information, > consult the archive of the linux-dell-laptop mailing list on Yahoo groups) AFAIK, the "nv" driver doesn't support 3D on any card. -- Levi Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Love lies in pools of questions. GPG Key Fingerprint: 354C 7A02 77C5 9EE7 8538 4E8D DCD9 B4B0 DC35 67CD Currently playing: Stone Temple Pilots - Long Way Home Linux 2.4.19-16mdk 5:40pm up 1 day, 16:04, 6 users, load average: 0.00, 0.07, 0.13
Re: [Cooker] 8.2 -> 9.0 = NV/X troubles!
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Tim Stoop wrote: > Hi people, > > I upgraded my own desktop, a Athlon 1.4GHz, 512MB RAM, NVidia GeForce2 DDR. In > 8.2, I had the NVidia GLX-package and NVidia kernel installed. After upgrade, > I had a hell of a time getting it all to work. Since the nvidia-driver for X > isn't shipped with Mandrake, it thought it would use the nv-driver. It > didn't. But when I changed XFConfig-4 to use the nv driver, X just exited > with a signal 11. Pretty confusing. > > So, after a little playing around, I decided to reboot into that "other OS" > and download the NVIDIA-GLX en NVIDIA-kernel packages from MandrakeClub > (never been happier about being a member!) and after install and changing > some of the values I changed to get it to work and running XFdrake, it > finally worked again. > A few things that possibly can clarify the issue a) The NVidia drivers are proprietary and as such can't be shipped with Mandrake (at least with the download edition) b) the official "nv" driver at present does not work with the Geforce2Go c) there is a vesion of the "nv" driver in the Xfree86 CVS that works with your card, but I think without 3D acceleration (for more information, consult the archive of the linux-dell-laptop mailing list on Yahoo groups) d) At the time of rc3 I've made some NVidia rpm's (trivially rebuilds of the sources on that system) that TeXstar has uploaded on his site; in a while the NVidia official packages for 9.0 should be available from their website, but if needed I or someone else could make available their packages e) possibly we need to setup a contrib site for newbies: as soon as Mandrake ships with a new release, non-free drivers with detailed instruction on how to use them (for instance with nvidia you have to choose runlevel 3 etc.) must appear there. Biagio
[Cooker] 8.2 -> 9.0 = NV/X troubles!
Hi people, Just wanted to tell you my little story about upgrading my main machine. Maybe it can be solved. I upgraded my own desktop, a Athlon 1.4GHz, 512MB RAM, NVidia GeForce2 DDR. In 8.2, I had the NVidia GLX-package and NVidia kernel installed. After upgrade, I had a hell of a time getting it all to work. Since the nvidia-driver for X isn't shipped with Mandrake, it thought it would use the nv-driver. It didn't. But when I changed XFConfig-4 to use the nv driver, X just exited with a signal 11. Pretty confusing. So, after a little playing around, I decided to reboot into that "other OS" and download the NVIDIA-GLX en NVIDIA-kernel packages from MandrakeClub (never been happier about being a member!) and after install and changing some of the values I changed to get it to work and running XFdrake, it finally worked again. Knowing a bit about Linux and kernels and (especially important) the NVdriver, I was able to fix the problem. But there are a lot of Mandrake-users who wouldn't be able to. I don't know if this can be fixed in 9.1 or anything, but I just wanted to report it. Maybe it helps someone :) -- Regards, Tim Stoop PGP public key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Random quote/fortune: "But Huey, you PROMISED!" "Tell 'em I lied."
