Re: [Cooker] KDE3 WHAT A MESS
On Friday 05 April 2002 08:23 am, Maks Orlovich wrote: > On Thursday 04 April 2002 06:43 pm, you wrote: >> On Thursday 04 April 2002 5:23 pm, tester wrote: >>> On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 05:29, Joe Simon wrote: Just installed Mandrake's KDE3 packages. This must be the worst yet! >> I got the ones from texstar via pclinuxonline.com for 8.2 and they are >> much better than the ones from kde. > KDE Doesn't ship any packages. They do make packages available on their mirrors, e.g. http://www.planetmirror.com/pub/kde/stable/3.0/Mandrake/8.2/RPMS/i586/ which AFAIK are actually built by Mandrake. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] KDE3 WHAT A MESS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, > I got the ones from texstar via pclinuxonline.com for 8.2 and they are much > better than the ones from kde. Yes, I found the same thing. Apparently Mandrake missed a few problems when they submitted the packages to the KDE team (KDE does not build the binary packages). -Tim - -- - Timothy R. Butler[EMAIL PROTECTED] Universal Networks http://www.uninet.info Christian Portal and Search Tool: http://www.faithtree.com Open Source Migration Guide: http://www.ofb.biz = "Christian Web Services Since 1996" == -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8rPGEK37Cns9gJ0gRAt0QAJ9S0YesX+J1XQy8e+qfcYnmCNZz4QCgmKl3 8oMzSws69+LvBMaxq1zQWzc= =jSFk -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] KDE3 WHAT A MESS
On Thursday 04 April 2002 06:43 pm, you wrote: > On Thursday 04 April 2002 5:23 pm, tester wrote: > > On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 05:29, Joe Simon wrote: > > > Just installed Mandrake's KDE3 packages. This must be the worst yet! > > I got the ones from texstar via pclinuxonline.com for 8.2 and they are much > better than the ones from kde. KDE Doesn't ship any packages. > > > 3) ksplash seg faults just right after login. > > this went away with texstar's rpms. Qt bug...
Re: [Cooker] KDE3 WHAT A MESS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 04 April 2002 5:23 pm, tester wrote: > On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 05:29, Joe Simon wrote: > > Just installed Mandrake's KDE3 packages. This must be the worst yet! > > I got the ones from texstar via pclinuxonline.com for 8.2 and they are much better than the ones from kde. > > 1) No menu's. menudrake can fix this problem, just open as root and click save. I also had to modify the menu style to "all applications" menu (also called Mandrake menu). This can be done within menudrake under the text menu at the top... Action/Modify Menu Style > > 2) Installed in /opt rather than /usr (KDE2 is in /usr). The packages > > are not relocatable. What if someone does not have fs /opt or enough > > space on / ? I like this, I think more of the larger packages should be installed here personally. It is no big deal to create a link to there or a new /opt partition if you have the space. I think it threw us off a bit having it in /opt since we had no reason to prepare for this when initially setting up our hard drive partitions. > > 3) ksplash seg faults just right after login. this went away with texstar's rpms. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8rOVAQ3BM1ElJCVIRAiC+AJ9y9jjLgDrR3yPMApRLCifR1WZrfwCgxfEH f+ryQ7HHArSJDKhne1dvF6o= =7nKn -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] KDE3 WHAT A MESS
On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 05:29, Joe Simon wrote: > Just installed Mandrake's KDE3 packages. This must be the worst yet! > > 1) No menu's. > 2) Installed in /opt rather than /usr (KDE2 is in /usr). The packages are > not relocatable. What if someone does not have fs /opt or enough space on / > ? > 3) ksplash seg faults just right after login. > 4) Many other seg faults. > > Is this just a Mandrake problem or KDE problem? > > How can kde.org say the following on their web site: > > "On April 3rd 2002, the KDE Project released KDE 3.0, the Third-Generation > of the Leading Desktop for Linux/UNIX, Offering Enterprises, Governments, > Schools, and Businesses an Outstanding Free and Open Desktop Solution. " > > Can you imagine students in grade 7-9 getting all these seg faults and not > having any menu's? > > I am disappointed! > > _ > Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > Well, /usr is for software integral to the system, /opt is for add-on software according to FHS 2.2. KDE2.2.2 is part of the system, and KDE3 is regarded as an experimental add-on at this time. If you don't have enough room to make an /opt in /, then mkdir -p /usr/opt ln -s /usr/opt /opt It isn't yet ready for newbie time by a long shot, but you know the clamor when we delay these releases. Turn up your messaging to warning level to catch the KDE warnings and you will get a clue to the segfaults--most are in reference to opening sockets. Drop your security level to 2 with msec 2 and the most of the crashes disappear. Perhaps the KDE team was concerned with desktop and not thinking of settable security or perhaps they decided the distros should make the permissions available (which is going to take some distro-centric engineering) Sound may work on your computer without the sound server in KDE3 functioning at all. There is little new in this. The linux kernel was not really designed for sound, and the problems multiply from that. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] KDE3 WHAT A MESS
This address is made from someone called TEXSTAR He makes specially packaged RPMS which are better optimized for Mandrake. If you check his KDE3 RPMS - they are smaller because they are compiled without the debug code and they run leaner. These are NOT the official KDE packages from KDE, but they are specially created and optimized for Mandrake. He's also got some other cool stuff like a Mandrake distribution optimized for Athelon processors . . . FYI Cheers, R.Fox On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 21:08, Joe Simon wrote: > www.pclinuxonline.com ?? > > I would of thought ftp.kde.org would always have the latest and best RPMS > > ? > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Fox) > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [Cooker] KDE3 WHAT A MESS > >Date: 04 Apr 2002 16:51:29 +0200 > > > >I found a way to make it all work . . . > > > >After a fresh 8.2 install - I downloaded the KDE3 (optimized) RPMS from > >www.pclinuxonline.com (texstar) for 8.2 > > > >Then I did the following (outside X in a console screen cntl-alt-F1) > > > >In my home directory: $mv .kde .kde_old > >then su to root and from the kde3 directory do the following: > > > >rpm -Uvh lib* > >rpm -Uvh arts* > >rpm -Uvh kde* > > > >If you have the kdegraphics3 package, then remove the gphoto2 (rpm -e > >gphoto2) > > > >After the install I started KDE3 and ran menudrake from the control > >center to recreate the menus under KDE. I also installed the > >mosfet-liquid theme (which is awesome!) > > > >Everything worked beautifully (including sound) and I think KDE3 is much > >faster and cooler . . > > > >I did this on three different machines so far without consequence! > > > >Good luck! > > > >R.Fox > > > > > >On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 16:29, Joe Simon wrote: > > > Just installed Mandrake's KDE3 packages. This must be the worst yet! > > > > > > 1) No menu's. > > > 2) Installed in /opt rather than /usr (KDE2 is in /usr). The packages > >are > > > not relocatable. What if someone does not have fs /opt or enough space > >on / > > > ? > > > 3) ksplash seg faults just right after login. > > > 4) Many other seg faults. > > > > > > Is this just a Mandrake problem or KDE problem? > > > > > > How can kde.org say the following on their web site: > > > > > > "On April 3rd 2002, the KDE Project released KDE 3.0, the > >Third-Generation > > > of the Leading Desktop for Linux/UNIX, Offering Enterprises, > >Governments, > > > Schools, and Businesses an Outstanding Free and Open Desktop Solution. " > > > > > > Can you imagine students in grade 7-9 getting all these seg faults and > >not > > > having any menu's? > > > > > > I am disappointed! > > > > > > _ > > > Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > >
Re: [Cooker] KDE3 WHAT A MESS
www.pclinuxonline.com ?? I would of thought ftp.kde.org would always have the latest and best RPMS ? >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Fox) >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [Cooker] KDE3 WHAT A MESS >Date: 04 Apr 2002 16:51:29 +0200 > >I found a way to make it all work . . . > >After a fresh 8.2 install - I downloaded the KDE3 (optimized) RPMS from >www.pclinuxonline.com (texstar) for 8.2 > >Then I did the following (outside X in a console screen cntl-alt-F1) > >In my home directory: $mv .kde .kde_old >then su to root and from the kde3 directory do the following: > >rpm -Uvh lib* >rpm -Uvh arts* >rpm -Uvh kde* > >If you have the kdegraphics3 package, then remove the gphoto2 (rpm -e >gphoto2) > >After the install I started KDE3 and ran menudrake from the control >center to recreate the menus under KDE. I also installed the >mosfet-liquid theme (which is awesome!) > >Everything worked beautifully (including sound) and I think KDE3 is much >faster and cooler . . > >I did this on three different machines so far without consequence! > >Good luck! > >R.Fox > > >On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 16:29, Joe Simon wrote: > > Just installed Mandrake's KDE3 packages. This must be the worst yet! > > > > 1) No menu's. > > 2) Installed in /opt rather than /usr (KDE2 is in /usr). The packages >are > > not relocatable. What if someone does not have fs /opt or enough space >on / > > ? > > 3) ksplash seg faults just right after login. > > 4) Many other seg faults. > > > > Is this just a Mandrake problem or KDE problem? > > > > How can kde.org say the following on their web site: > > > > "On April 3rd 2002, the KDE Project released KDE 3.0, the >Third-Generation > > of the Leading Desktop for Linux/UNIX, Offering Enterprises, >Governments, > > Schools, and Businesses an Outstanding Free and Open Desktop Solution. " > > > > Can you imagine students in grade 7-9 getting all these seg faults and >not > > having any menu's? > > > > I am disappointed! > > > > _ > > Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Re: [Cooker] KDE3 WHAT A MESS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > 1) No menu's. Menus came up just fine here. > 2) Installed in /opt rather than /usr (KDE2 is in /usr). The packages are > not relocatable. What if someone does not have fs /opt or enough space on > / ? Use ln -s /usr/opt /opt (or whereever else you'd like to put it). Overall, this is way better then spewing several hundred megs of files all over /usr. > 3) ksplash seg faults just right after login. Only the first time... > 4) Many other seg faults. Where? Everything is stable here. -Tim - -- - Timothy R. Butler[EMAIL PROTECTED] Universal Networks http://www.uninet.info Christian Portal and Search Tool: http://www.faithtree.com Open Source Migration Guide: http://www.ofb.biz = "Christian Web Services Since 1996" == -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8rJI0K37Cns9gJ0gRAnHiAJ407Ll1IPY/9aVLweKuwXHiiv3W/ACfSdcw hUg6JwuSBakor4ZlpG+eiHs= =RrIX -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] KDE3 WHAT A MESS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 04 April 2002 09:44 am, Luc Roseberry wrote: > Le jeu 04/04/2002 à 09:29, Joe Simon a écrit : > > 2) Installed in /opt rather than /usr (KDE2 is in /usr). The packages > > are not relocatable. What if someone does not have fs /opt or enough > > space on / ? > > When running rpm command I got an error "not enough space on /" so I > moved /opt/kde3 (in fact just the kde3 directory and contents) to > another file system then made a link in /opt to /NewLocation/kde3. After > that every rpm command (re-running the last failed rmp command) > succeeded. I had the same problem, but this is where lvm really shines. I took a chunk of unused space and added it to my mandrake lvm directory and created a /opt ( I created about 1 gig partition and have over 350mg free space left after install) and mounted it (while also creating more room in my /home and/usr directories. It did not take very long to do it and it was working without a rebootsweet. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8rJg8Q3BM1ElJCVIRAhgsAJ9CI+JDOGMA725ILq2kVJJdNSAlCACgz3tp mEuUEmGWsq275LJN2hiuuTU= =boqm -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] KDE3 WHAT A MESS
On Thu, 4 Apr 2002 07:36:23 -0800 Brook Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 04 April 2002 06:49 am, you wrote: > > Joe Simon wrote: > > > Just installed Mandrake's KDE3 packages. This must be the worst yet! > > > > > > 1) No menu's. > > > > == > > ==> MCC ==> System ==> Menus ==> open/edit it (if you wish)==> save > > it works after every Kde (2/3) update > > === > > Yea that whould be great if drakconf whould even come up. It simply whould > not come up on my machine. Also if tried from the command prompt there were > no errors. No nothing. > Then try menudrake instead Charles
Re: [Cooker] KDE3 WHAT A MESS
On Thursday 04 April 2002 06:49 am, you wrote: > Joe Simon wrote: > > Just installed Mandrake's KDE3 packages. This must be the worst yet! > > > > 1) No menu's. > > == > ==> MCC ==> System ==> Menus ==> open/edit it (if you wish)==> save > it works after every Kde (2/3) update > === Yea that whould be great if drakconf whould even come up. It simply whould not come up on my machine. Also if tried from the command prompt there were no errors. No nothing. > > > 2) Installed in /opt rather than /usr (KDE2 is in /usr). The packages > > are not relocatable. What if someone does not have fs /opt or enough > > space on / ? > > 3) ksplash seg faults just right after login. > > 4) Many other seg faults. > > > > Is this just a Mandrake problem or KDE problem? > > > > How can kde.org say the following on their web site: > > > > "On April 3rd 2002, the KDE Project released KDE 3.0, the > > Third-Generation of the Leading Desktop for Linux/UNIX, Offering > > Enterprises, Governments, Schools, and Businesses an Outstanding Free and > > Open Desktop Solution. " > > > > Can you imagine students in grade 7-9 getting all these seg faults and > > not having any menu's? > > > > I am disappointed! > > > > _ > > Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com -- -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-
Re: [Cooker] KDE3 WHAT A MESS
Le jeu 04/04/2002 à 09:29, Joe Simon a écrit : > Just installed Mandrake's KDE3 packages. This must be the worst yet! > > 1) No menu's. When login from select KDE3 not KDE. > 2) Installed in /opt rather than /usr (KDE2 is in /usr). The packages are > not relocatable. What if someone does not have fs /opt or enough space on / > ? When running rpm command I got an error "not enough space on /" so I moved /opt/kde3 (in fact just the kde3 directory and contents) to another file system then made a link in /opt to /NewLocation/kde3. After that every rpm command (re-running the last failed rmp command) succeeded. Now KDE3 is running just fine with some minor problem (I am using it and Evolution to write this message). Used the most updated rpm packages. See www.pclinuxonline.com particularly for arts. > > Is this just a Mandrake problem or KDE problem? Neither. > How can kde.org say the following on their web site: > > "On April 3rd 2002, the KDE Project released KDE 3.0, the Third-Generation > of the Leading Desktop for Linux/UNIX, Offering Enterprises, Governments, > Schools, and Businesses an Outstanding Free and Open Desktop Solution. " > Without shame but with a lot of proudness... > Can you imagine students in grade 7-9 getting all these seg faults and not > having any menu's? > > I am disappointed! I am not! -- Luc Roseberry Consultant Tivoli certifié / Certified Tivoli Consultant Facilité Informatique Canada
Re: [Cooker] KDE3 WHAT A MESS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert Fox wrote: [] | After the install I started KDE3 and ran menudrake from the control | center to recreate the menus under KDE. Does: $ update-menus not do this for you much more easily? Buchan, still waiting for our KDE mirror to catch up - -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/gpg.key -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE8rHJArJK6UGDSBKcRAmJKAKCfxSFUl/q/ycLOjAdKP0stKA0ckgCgtZwq F9FBr4F8W+NC5nFHrHDy35E= =XO2T -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] KDE3 WHAT A MESS
I found a way to make it all work . . . After a fresh 8.2 install - I downloaded the KDE3 (optimized) RPMS from www.pclinuxonline.com (texstar) for 8.2 Then I did the following (outside X in a console screen cntl-alt-F1) In my home directory: $mv .kde .kde_old then su to root and from the kde3 directory do the following: rpm -Uvh lib* rpm -Uvh arts* rpm -Uvh kde* If you have the kdegraphics3 package, then remove the gphoto2 (rpm -e gphoto2) After the install I started KDE3 and ran menudrake from the control center to recreate the menus under KDE. I also installed the mosfet-liquid theme (which is awesome!) Everything worked beautifully (including sound) and I think KDE3 is much faster and cooler . . I did this on three different machines so far without consequence! Good luck! R.Fox On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 16:29, Joe Simon wrote: > Just installed Mandrake's KDE3 packages. This must be the worst yet! > > 1) No menu's. > 2) Installed in /opt rather than /usr (KDE2 is in /usr). The packages are > not relocatable. What if someone does not have fs /opt or enough space on / > ? > 3) ksplash seg faults just right after login. > 4) Many other seg faults. > > Is this just a Mandrake problem or KDE problem? > > How can kde.org say the following on their web site: > > "On April 3rd 2002, the KDE Project released KDE 3.0, the Third-Generation > of the Leading Desktop for Linux/UNIX, Offering Enterprises, Governments, > Schools, and Businesses an Outstanding Free and Open Desktop Solution. " > > Can you imagine students in grade 7-9 getting all these seg faults and not > having any menu's? > > I am disappointed! > > _ > Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > >
Re: [Cooker] KDE3 WHAT A MESS
On Thursdayen den 4 April 2002 16.29, Joe Simon wrote: > Just installed Mandrake's KDE3 packages. This must be the worst yet! > 2) Installed in /opt rather than /usr (KDE2 is in /usr). The packages are > not relocatable. What if someone does not have fs /opt or enough space on > / ? then you must type "man ln". :-) -- Regards // Oden Eriksson
Re: [Cooker] KDE3 WHAT A MESS
Joe Simon wrote: > > Just installed Mandrake's KDE3 packages. This must be the worst yet! > > 1) No menu's. == ==> MCC ==> System ==> Menus ==> open/edit it (if you wish)==> save it works after every Kde (2/3) update === > 2) Installed in /opt rather than /usr (KDE2 is in /usr). The packages are > not relocatable. What if someone does not have fs /opt or enough space on / > ? > 3) ksplash seg faults just right after login. > 4) Many other seg faults. > > Is this just a Mandrake problem or KDE problem? > > How can kde.org say the following on their web site: > > "On April 3rd 2002, the KDE Project released KDE 3.0, the Third-Generation > of the Leading Desktop for Linux/UNIX, Offering Enterprises, Governments, > Schools, and Businesses an Outstanding Free and Open Desktop Solution. " > > Can you imagine students in grade 7-9 getting all these seg faults and not > having any menu's? > > I am disappointed! > > _ > Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com
[Cooker] KDE3 WHAT A MESS
Just installed Mandrake's KDE3 packages. This must be the worst yet! 1) No menu's. 2) Installed in /opt rather than /usr (KDE2 is in /usr). The packages are not relocatable. What if someone does not have fs /opt or enough space on / ? 3) ksplash seg faults just right after login. 4) Many other seg faults. Is this just a Mandrake problem or KDE problem? How can kde.org say the following on their web site: "On April 3rd 2002, the KDE Project released KDE 3.0, the Third-Generation of the Leading Desktop for Linux/UNIX, Offering Enterprises, Governments, Schools, and Businesses an Outstanding Free and Open Desktop Solution. " Can you imagine students in grade 7-9 getting all these seg faults and not having any menu's? I am disappointed! _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
