Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone? Browser politics
Vincent Meyer, MD wrote on Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 09:10:46PM -0600 : rant - but nothing personal How about and making the main distro more completely USEFUL. Lets face it Most of the folks I talk to about Linux - their eyes kinda glaze over when the subject of GPL and Open Source come up. What they want is a system that they can USE, not idiological purity. They simply want to be able to use their computers. I'm not saying that you're wrong, and I'm not saying that I disagree with you. But I will say that M$ has been slammed by the *nix crowd for years because their philosophy was just give them something they can use. I don't want to see us go down the same path. Blue skies... Todd -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn msg57318/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone? Browser politics
Well, I agree that that has been M$'s attitude, and I TOO don't want to see us go there.. but gotta have something stable that works while we get something together in Linux. If we were M$, we wouldn't bother so much with that part. V. On Wednesday 27 February 2002 01:21 pm, you wrote: Vincent Meyer, MD wrote on Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 09:10:46PM -0600 : rant - but nothing personal How about and making the main distro more completely USEFUL. Lets face it Most of the folks I talk to about Linux - their eyes kinda glaze over when the subject of GPL and Open Source come up. What they want is a system that they can USE, not idiological purity. They simply want to be able to use their computers. I'm not saying that you're wrong, and I'm not saying that I disagree with you. But I will say that M$ has been slammed by the *nix crowd for years because their philosophy was just give them something they can use. I don't want to see us go down the same path. Blue skies... Todd
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone? Browser politics
On Monday 25 February 2002 00:37, Paolo Pedroni wrote: Il 02:51, sabato 23 febbraio 2002, hai scritto: Perhaps it could be included in contribs for the sake of nostalgia? It is a classic peice of software after all. Besides the nostalgia factor, it is also required by some packages (namely AfterStep-1.8.10-1mdk). And netscape-plugins is required by kdebase3-nsplugins-3.0-0.beta2.1mdk. That can be dealt with by pointing AS at Mozilla and (!) making nsplugins standalone. RPM really needs a ``recommended'' information tag for s/w that goes with a package but isn't required. I'd really like it if Netscape4 went back in cooker: it's the only browser that you can fall back if the newer ones (Konqueror, Mozilla, Galeon) don't work (and everyone knows that sometimes they just don't work). Very rarely do I find something that breaks both Konq and Moz but not NS4. And generally (speaking for myself only) it's not the kind of site I'd visit if I had a choice anyway (eyeball deep in graphics and Java, or totally IE-specific). The only reason I can see for segregating it in the commercial CDs is to have any Mandrake user who wants a browser that 'just works' to but the commercial CDs. I'm not going to do that. And to make the main distro more completely GPL. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone? Browser politics
rant - but nothing personal How about and making the main distro more completely USEFUL. Lets face it a lot of the browsers shipping for linux just aren't there yet. They're coming up fast, but have a little ways to go yet. If there are sites that won't render on the newer browsers yet, and they render on Netscape, then ship it with Netscape! Most of the folks I talk to about Linux - their eyes kinda glaze over when the subject of GPL and Open Source come up. What they want is a system that they can USE, not idiological purity. They simply want to be able to use their computers. Please, whoever makes these decisions, consider keeping Netscape in the distro, at least for 8.2. Hopefully by 9.0, or 8.3, or whatever it's going to be called, the latest Konqueror and Mozilla will be ready to take on Internet Explorer.. but until that time comes, shipping the browser that works with the most pages and crashes the least will go a long way to insuring people new to Linux and Mandrake have a good user experience. Then maybe they'll stick around to learn more about GPL. /rant - but nothing personal On Tuesday 26 February 2002 08:08 pm, you wrote: And to make the main distro more completely GPL. Cheers; Leon
