[Cooker] Re: Re: Re: Re: Mandrake for a PVR (was Re: Mandrake and business.)

[Brian J. Murrell]

On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 07:50:56AM +0100, Lea Gris wrote:
 

First of all, here's the Dish on DISH:

http://www.linuxtv.org/mailinglists/linux-dvb/2001/11-2001/msg00053.html

 Even on Canada you have DVB-c on cable TV provided by videotron.

Again, I wish.  You see, our wonderful government here has decided
that Canadians should be held ransom to a single cable provider in any
given service area.  Videotron does not service this part of the
country.  Cogeco does and I have already investigated their service.
It is based on a proprietary Motorola system.

 DVB-s is for Digital Video Broadcast on Satellite
 DVB-c the same via cable
 DVB-t the same via ground transmetters

Yup.

 These different kind of DVB all require different DVB card type. 
 Hauppauge provide the 3 types of reciever. The API part and drivers 
 remains the same. Its just the transciever part that differs.
 So you just use the same linux software and modules to drive it.

Yup.

 For en encryption question we hav encrypted DVB here in Europe as well 
 for most broadcasted channels except for some few stupid tvmarket like 
 ones. Don't grin, they are fine when you try to set up your linux box to 
 recieve chanels. Does well as test channels ;)
 
 My Hauppauge CARD has a Common Interface module plugged and it just feet 
 a regular half height 31/2 place
 
 Inside the common interface I plug a so called Magic module and my Sat 
 compagny smartcard key in it (it is called CAM).

Right.  If you read the DISH article above, we can almost do that,
except they bastardized the encryption, apparently.

 By the way.
 Even the PLF wouldn't suit for that illegal piece of software.

:-)

 So just do it the right way.
 Buy the DVB card plus a Common Interface plus the plug-in CAM reader and 
 subscribe to your favorite SAT company as you would do to use a regular 
 DVB reciever.

_If_ I could use a regular DVB receiver here in North America.  See
the discussion on why I can't even with DISH (the most DVB compliant
from what I can determine).

 Then plug the shiny iso sized smart card in the card 
 reader and enjoy watching encrypted channels legally from your sat provider.

If only it were that easy.  :-)

b.

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Brian J. Murrell



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[Cooker] Re: Re: Re: Re: Mandrake for a PVR (was Re: Mandrake and business.)

[Brian J. Murrell]

On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 11:22:37AM +0100, Steffen Barszus wrote:

 Hmmm I know encryption is a littlebit a problem. But there are people using 
 the german Premiere (pay-TV) with vdr.

Right, but the encryption is probably using standard mechanisms, not
bastarized the way DISH apparently is.  See my previous post for a URL
to a thread on the linux-dvb ML about it.

 yes for sure, but shipping from US/canada to europe will be more expensive 
 than the card I guess.

Really, even if sent by regular mail?

 Have a look here:
 
http://search.ebay.de/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResultquery=g400+matroxcgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.de%2Fws%2Fht=1from=R10currdisp=2itemtimedisp=1st=2SortProperty=MetaEndSortshortcut=4BasicSearch=

30 EUR is expensive?

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2080725779

Or even 23 EUR for a 32MB card?

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2081780803

 Yes sure. At least you know best whats the situation at there you live.

Right.  This was my whole point in suggesting I need to move to
somewhere more liberated, like Europe.  :-)

 And I 
 think there is a demand for the dvb-driver to work better with cam/ci. 
 hopefully this will improve. 

Still wouldn't work here with a lack of DVB use period and it being
bastardized where it is being used.

 Yes Mjpeg eats a lot of diskspace while having the best quality.

Maybe I will get a chance to find out myself.  I might even buy into
recording with MJPEG and transcoding to MPEG2 offline.

 What you said 
 about the Kfir board I'm not sure. I think the author of vdr is using such a 
 card for connect a digital sat-receiver to his vdr.  So I'm not sure if the 
 really discontinued it.

It seems that while the Kfir manufacturer was right on board with
Linux at one time, they have backed down a bit and making it work is
more difficult.  Finding Kfir boards here in North America seemed
difficult the last time I looked.

 Hopefully. At the moment they want a law for enabling software-patents here in 
 europe too

I have heard.  Stand your ground!

 and too they will have a european DMCA.

That is for sure now?  I feel your pain.

 I really hate this 
 lobbyists.

Indeed.  Who lobbies for the consumer?

 There are laws making copying and sharing trough the internet 
 illegal. But they want us to not making privat copys.

Right.  This is the rub.  In efforts to curb illegal use, they are
also making common criminals of most law-abiding citizens.  This is
why the DMCA is so hideous.

 And enabling 
 softwarepatents is the best way to kill free software. whhaa thinkin about 
 all that gets me really angry. 

Me too.

 Ok but if you would have DVB you really would want vdr ;)

Maybe I would.  Seeing as I can't have DVB, I have not looked terribly
closely at it.

 A link you may be interested in :
 http://www.eet.com/sys/news/OEG20021213S0034

The key quote in the whole article:

  Frankly, some of those additional requirements [demanded by
  Hollywood] have nothing to do with copy protection, but a lot to do
  with studios' own business models, Jaboulet said.


This is the whole reason for all of this so-called copyright BS.
How can we squeeze more money out of the consumer?

But this is going wildly OT for Cooker now.

b.

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Brian J. Murrell



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