Re: [Cooker] Suggestions for upcoming Mandrake (2)
le sam 10-11-2001 à 00:18, John Haywood a écrit : > On Fri, 9 Nov 2001 08:26, you wrote: > > Yes, but what I meant with one place was to make some kind of > > My Control Center, where the user could easily find everything > > without searching for an hour or two.. > > > > >> shortcuts to different configuration applications like Gnome Control > > >> Center, Print Queue, etc, etc.. > > > > > > ??? i d'ont understand. On the desktop ? n > > > > No, not desktop. I mean something like Mandrake Control Center but > > for a user. Mandrake is very nice distribution as long as you have > > the root privileges. But if you try to use Mandrake as a normal > > user, it's just horrible. How to change your language, photo, > > password? They are very hard to find from menu (because most of > > the configuration tools need root privileges) if they can be found > > at all ( + + +/-). Even I don't try to find some > > configuration tool from the menu, because it's much faster to > > run it directly from a terminal. My Control Panel would fix this > > together with Mandrake Control Center if they are both well made. > > Your point is well made, from a single-user perspective. > > In this case, access to what are essentially (in a *nix world) administrative > functions, are somewhat hidden and require root access for many. > > However, I feel you are missing the point somewhat, inasmuch as any *nix > system is really designed for multi-user and multilayer security, integrated > into a network. Sure, we could allow all and sundry the ability to change > their gdm/xdm 'face' or whatnot, but in a lab full of budding hackers, or a > company environment, I for one wouldn't want to be the administrator!!! > > Perhaps there is another way forward, without breaking the security model > which (though I may occasionally curse it) I have come to value over any MS > Garbage on offer - how about a sudo wizard on install? usually users can change their password themselves if they have acces to passwd command. On top of that it's easy to implement a restriction. In the global config file of this new Control Center you can put a flag/variable wich will determine if users can start or not the application. We can also add a variable that will list users who are allwed to lauch it. Ot may not be so hard to do. > Haven't thought my way through this one yet, but it would appear to be > exactly what sudo is designed for -- http://perso.wanadoo.fr/linux_wizard/index.html - Les petits lits font les grandes maitresses. -- Perret
Re: [Cooker] Suggestions for upcoming Mandrake (2)
On Fri, 9 Nov 2001 08:26, you wrote: > Yes, but what I meant with one place was to make some kind of > My Control Center, where the user could easily find everything > without searching for an hour or two.. > > >> shortcuts to different configuration applications like Gnome Control > >> Center, Print Queue, etc, etc.. > > > > ??? i d'ont understand. On the desktop ? n > > No, not desktop. I mean something like Mandrake Control Center but > for a user. Mandrake is very nice distribution as long as you have > the root privileges. But if you try to use Mandrake as a normal > user, it's just horrible. How to change your language, photo, > password? They are very hard to find from menu (because most of > the configuration tools need root privileges) if they can be found > at all ( + + +/-). Even I don't try to find some > configuration tool from the menu, because it's much faster to > run it directly from a terminal. My Control Panel would fix this > together with Mandrake Control Center if they are both well made. Your point is well made, from a single-user perspective. In this case, access to what are essentially (in a *nix world) administrative functions, are somewhat hidden and require root access for many. However, I feel you are missing the point somewhat, inasmuch as any *nix system is really designed for multi-user and multilayer security, integrated into a network. Sure, we could allow all and sundry the ability to change their gdm/xdm 'face' or whatnot, but in a lab full of budding hackers, or a company environment, I for one wouldn't want to be the administrator!!! Perhaps there is another way forward, without breaking the security model which (though I may occasionally curse it) I have come to value over any MS Garbage on offer - how about a sudo wizard on install? Haven't thought my way through this one yet, but it would appear to be exactly what sudo is designed for just a thought -- john in syd
Re: [Cooker] Suggestions for upcoming Mandrake (2)
le jeu 08-11-2001 at 22:26 Matias Griese a écrit : > On 7 Nov 2001, Fabrice FACORAT wrote: > >> there should be option to choose their own language and keyboard layout > > a peer user localdrake ? > > Yes, some kind of "My Control Center". > > >> Another such a configuration could be choosing the size of the > >> desktop (screen resolution). > > At one time there's only one user. CTRL+ALT+ +/- > > A personnal resolution for each user may be hard to implement unless ... > > Yes, that works except the virtual desktop should be shrinked to > the same size as the screen resolution is. eh X developpers are working on that trough a new extension : RandR ( X Resize and Rotate Extension, http://www.xfree86.org/~keithp/talks/randr/randr/ ). This extension may will be add to Render ( http://www.xfree86.org/~keithp/render/ ) > if it is possible, but by restarting X Window system and by using > different configuration file it should work..? just set a different default resolution, but you need to restart X and also have a progr'amme that will have a config file for each user and that at each connection will change X config file. hum, difficult and maybe not possible. > >> There are also other things which should be in this user-level > >> control panel, like: change password, > > userdrake > > Won't work: "In order to run "userdrake" with root's privileges, > additional information is required. Password for root: __ " > > There is Configuration->Other->Change Password, but how many finds it > from there? right. We can run it unprivileged but can't change our password. > >> change photo, > > userdrake > > Look above.. > > >> edit menu, > > menudrake > >> task scheduler, > > cf your wm/desktop > > Yes, but what I meant with one place was to make some kind of > My Control Center, where the user could easily find everything > without searching for an hour or two.. manudrake is in MCC ( Mandrake Control center ). concerning task scheduler, it's really depends on your wm/desktop. You can have one from KDE with korganizer, there's several for gnome, you have also evolution, > >> shortcuts to different configuration applications like Gnome Control > >> Center, Print Queue, etc, etc.. > > ??? i d'ont understand. On the desktop ? n > > No, not desktop. I mean something like Mandrake Control Center but > for a user. Mandrake is very nice distribution as long as you have > the root privileges. But if you try to use Mandrake as a normal > user, it's just horrible. How to change your language, photo, > password? They are very hard to find from menu (because most of > the configuration tools need root privileges) if they can be found > at all ( + + +/-). Even I don't try to find some > configuration tool from the menu, because it's much faster to > run it directly from a terminal. My Control Panel would fix this > together with Mandrake Control Center if they are both well made. you're right. My Control center may be very interesting and may replace some parts of First time wizard ( a fiasco at this time ).In my Control center yoy can set up your email account for kmail/evolution/netscape and others things. -- http://perso.wanadoo.fr/linux_wizard/index.html - Ceux qui ne savent pas où ils vont sont surpris d'arriver ailleurs. Pierre Dac
Re: [Cooker] Suggestions for upcoming Mandrake (2)
On 7 Nov 2001, Fabrice FACORAT wrote: >> there should be option to choose their own language and keyboard layout > a peer user localdrake ? Yes, some kind of "My Control Center". >> Another such a configuration could be choosing the size of the >> desktop (screen resolution). > At one time there's only one user. CTRL+ALT+ +/- > A personnal resolution for each user may be hard to implement unless ... Yes, that works except the virtual desktop should be shrinked to the same size as the screen resolution is. I'm not quite sure if it is possible, but by restarting X Window system and by using different configuration file it should work..? >> There are also other things which should be in this user-level >> control panel, like: change password, > userdrake Won't work: "In order to run "userdrake" with root's privileges, additional information is required. Password for root: __ " There is Configuration->Other->Change Password, but how many finds it from there? >> change photo, > userdrake Look above.. >> edit menu, > menudrake >> task scheduler, > cf your wm/desktop Yes, but what I meant with one place was to make some kind of My Control Center, where the user could easily find everything without searching for an hour or two.. >> shortcuts to different configuration applications like Gnome Control >> Center, Print Queue, etc, etc.. > ??? i d'ont understand. On the desktop ? n No, not desktop. I mean something like Mandrake Control Center but for a user. Mandrake is very nice distribution as long as you have the root privileges. But if you try to use Mandrake as a normal user, it's just horrible. How to change your language, photo, password? They are very hard to find from menu (because most of the configuration tools need root privileges) if they can be found at all ( + + +/-). Even I don't try to find some configuration tool from the menu, because it's much faster to run it directly from a terminal. My Control Panel would fix this together with Mandrake Control Center if they are both well made. Regards, Matias
