Re: [Cooker] Too much updates
Yes it should, and I must say it is a good idea, but
still it would be nice to have it as part of the
features in rsync.
I have been doing some thinking, and I don't know if
this would be possible at all, since I do not know if
rsync really patches files (anyone knows the inner
workings?) or if it just "completes" partially
downloaded files based on length and checksums.
By the way, for some reason, the emails you post to
the list have your email in the "Reply-to" field
instead of the cooker list email, and when I reply it
gets sent to you instead of to the list. Lately I
haven't been seeing my reply posts show up in the
list, but just realixe this may be the culprit. I
thought the list should re-write the "Reply-to" field
to contain the list email. Why didn't this happened to
your email? Do you have a reply-to address set in your
email client? If, so, could this be a bug on the list
software or am I totally confused?
List maintainers, any ideas?
--- Alwyn Schoeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well another solution could to run a script before
rsyncing that does
the following:
1) Get a new directory listing from the server.
2) Compare it with the current local listing.
3) Rename local files that differ only in version
number, to the same
version as the remote files.
4) Run rsync.
Should work?
I think it only does that if the filename is the
same,
which means it does nothing for the idea of the
original poster; that is, saving download time by
only
transmitting the delta from different releases of
a
package. May be this could be a good idea to
suggest
to maintainers of rsync; I mean having a new
option
that would let you use pattern matching or a file
list
("equivalents file list" as in "exclusion or
inclusion
file list") to indicate files to be synced, as
opposed
to deleted an redownloaded, for example:
gnome-*-*.rpm
actually this is a bad example since because I
used
the "*", "gnome-1.0.50-1.i586.rpm" will not only
match
"gnome-1.0.50-2.i586.rpm" but also
"gnome-utils-1.0.50-2.i586.rpm", but if you use
the
correct regex (I don't know how to use regex)
instead
of the "*" for the pattern matching, it would work
fine.
I think, this would be a nice feature to be added
to
rsync.
--- Alwyn Schoeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rsync does the same, am I right?
Axalon Bloodstone wrote:
On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, Alwyn Schoeman wrote:
I was a thinking,
How much difference do you think exists
between
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Re: [Cooker] Too much updates
I'm experiencing the same problem.
The only reason why it got to the list was because I specifically added
the list as a to field.
You using netscape?
Eugenio Diaz wrote:
Yes it should, and I must say it is a good idea, but
still it would be nice to have it as part of the
features in rsync.
I have been doing some thinking, and I don't know if
this would be possible at all, since I do not know if
rsync really patches files (anyone knows the inner
workings?) or if it just "completes" partially
downloaded files based on length and checksums.
By the way, for some reason, the emails you post to
the list have your email in the "Reply-to" field
instead of the cooker list email, and when I reply it
gets sent to you instead of to the list. Lately I
haven't been seeing my reply posts show up in the
list, but just realixe this may be the culprit. I
thought the list should re-write the "Reply-to" field
to contain the list email. Why didn't this happened to
your email? Do you have a reply-to address set in your
email client? If, so, could this be a bug on the list
software or am I totally confused?
List maintainers, any ideas?
--- Alwyn Schoeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well another solution could to run a script before
rsyncing that does
the following:
1) Get a new directory listing from the server.
2) Compare it with the current local listing.
3) Rename local files that differ only in version
number, to the same
version as the remote files.
4) Run rsync.
Should work?
I think it only does that if the filename is the
same,
which means it does nothing for the idea of the
original poster; that is, saving download time by
only
transmitting the delta from different releases of
a
package. May be this could be a good idea to
suggest
to maintainers of rsync; I mean having a new
option
that would let you use pattern matching or a file
list
("equivalents file list" as in "exclusion or
inclusion
file list") to indicate files to be synced, as
opposed
to deleted an redownloaded, for example:
gnome-*-*.rpm
actually this is a bad example since because I
used
the "*", "gnome-1.0.50-1.i586.rpm" will not only
match
"gnome-1.0.50-2.i586.rpm" but also
"gnome-utils-1.0.50-2.i586.rpm", but if you use
the
correct regex (I don't know how to use regex)
instead
of the "*" for the pattern matching, it would work
fine.
I think, this would be a nice feature to be added
to
rsync.
--- Alwyn Schoeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rsync does the same, am I right?
Axalon Bloodstone wrote:
On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, Alwyn Schoeman wrote:
I was a thinking,
How much difference do you think exists
between
=
Eugenio Diaz, BSEE/BSCE
Linux Engineer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
__
Do You Yahoo!?
Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
--
~~
Alwyn Schoeman
Systems Engineer
Prism Secure Solutions
Re: [Cooker] Too much updates
Why would -avuz update rsync-1.0.3-1mdk.i586.rpm to rsync-1.0.3-2mdk.i586.rpm by only transferring the differences? Chmouel Boudjnah wrote: Alwyn Schoeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Only problem with rsync, is that it only does the difference copy for files with the same name (: -avuz doen't work for you ? --Chmouel -- ~~ Alwyn Schoeman Systems Engineer Prism Secure Solutions
[Cooker] Too much updates
Hello, this morning I get a new BIG surprise :-))) About 100MB of updated packages, including kernel-2-2.13-23 (23!) but nothing new for installation :-( Last week I get a new xfree but after two hours a new xfree is out. I have seen fmirror deleting just downloaded ( and not used )packages :-( I know that cooker is experimental but I doesn't have the time to configure a working system, a working compiler, a working GNOME... everything changes in a few hours. In italy the phone bill is charged by minute, this mean that it's not only a time related problem but also cost too much for me. ISDN 64k connection need some time for download -20,-21,-22,-23 kernels, and sometimes kernel 2.2.xx is out twice a day I don't know if Mandrake team works in the same office/building or need to exchange packages. If this is the case, please can you exchange the files internally and post in the public cooker mirrors only the checked packages? I don't mean the stable version but something that must be tested in a working environment. Don't know why I have to download two kernel's a day, two xfree, the GNOME desktop but the italian installation still not working at all :-(( Excuse me, but this seems to me like a cvs repository. Bye Alessandro -- E-Mail: allxsan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 02-Nov-99 Time: 08:56:42 This message was sent by XFMail --
Re: [Cooker] Too much updates
On 02-Nov-99 Pablo Saratxaga wrote: Kaixo! On Tue, Nov 02, 1999 at 09:25:44AM +0100, allxsan wrote: Hello, this morning I get a new BIG surprise :-))) About 100MB of updated packages, including kernel-2-2.13-23 (23!) but nothing new for installation :-( You should exclude the files that are too big or that doesn't interest you. But if someone, in italy, ask for a working cooker I cannot send a CD with some old packages, incomplete snapshots or with not working installation :-) Excuse me, but this seems to me like a cvs repository. In some sense it is. It is a developmet tree; but instead of being restricted to MandrakeSoft employees only anyone can have access to it; check the files, use them if they please him, or improve them. I like too much Cooker and love the upgrades and the improvement. But I'm very serious and cannot send to other people an incomplete or not working CD. I simply ask, if possible, to upgrade also thinking to me... and others with phone bill charged in minutes. If this is not possible... amen :- Ciao Alessandro -- E-Mail: allxsan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 03-Nov-99 Time: 01:24:45 This message was sent by XFMail --
Re: [Cooker] Too much updates
On Tue, 02 Nov 1999, allxsan wrote: I like too much Cooker and love the upgrades and the improvement. But I'm very serious and cannot send to other people an incomplete or not working CD. I simply ask, if possible, to upgrade also thinking to me... and others with phone bill charged in minutes. You seem to be missing the point of the Cooker idea. This is not a distribution you should bother with if you only have a modem connection. And it's not meant to always install correctly or even work at all. If your friend needs a working distro, send him Mandrake 6.1, or at least wait until the next release goes into beta. Cooker will ALWAYS be unstable because its not meant to be stable. It's only meant to be a way of constantly testing new stuff. Sorry for the rant, but if I were on the dev team, I'd find your comments somewhat insulting. -- David Hart Vincity Design *Proudly sent from Mandrake Linux 6.0*
RE: [Cooker] Too much updates
Nothing is forcing you to upgrade constantly. Why not just download once a week? And let the rest of us who can afford to do so, download daily (or more ggg). -Original Message- On 02-Nov-99 Pablo Saratxaga wrote: Kaixo! On Tue, Nov 02, 1999 at 09:25:44AM +0100, allxsan wrote: Hello, this morning I get a new BIG surprise :-))) About 100MB of updated packages, including kernel-2-2.13-23 (23!) but nothing new for installation :-( You should exclude the files that are too big or that doesn't interest you. But if someone, in italy, ask for a working cooker I cannot send a CD with some old packages, incomplete snapshots or with not working installation :-) Excuse me, but this seems to me like a cvs repository. In some sense it is. It is a developmet tree; but instead of being restricted to MandrakeSoft employees only anyone can have access to it; check the files, use them if they please him, or improve them. I like too much Cooker and love the upgrades and the improvement. But I'm very serious and cannot send to other people an incomplete or not working CD. I simply ask, if possible, to upgrade also thinking to me... and others with phone bill charged in minutes. If this is not possible... amen :- Ciao Alessandro -- E-Mail: allxsan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 03-Nov-99 Time: 01:24:45 This message was sent by XFMail --
Re: [Cooker] Too much updates
On 03-Nov-99 David Hart wrote: On Tue, 02 Nov 1999, allxsan wrote: I like too much Cooker and love the upgrades and the improvement. But I'm very serious and cannot send to other people an incomplete or not working CD. I simply ask, if possible, to upgrade also thinking to me... and others with phone bill charged in minutes. You seem to be missing the point of the Cooker idea. This is not a distribution you should bother with if you only have a modem connection. And it's not meant to always install correctly or even work at all. If your friend needs a working distro, send him Mandrake 6.1, or at least wait until the next release goes into beta. Cooker will ALWAYS be unstable because its not meant to be stable. It's only meant to be a way of constantly testing new stuff. Sorry for the rant, but if I were on the dev team, I'd find your comments somewhat insulting. Insulting? :-))) No flame please :-) I'm was a sysop ( fidonet ) for too much years, betatester for many fidonet technology software, btester for Adaptec EasyCDCreator, Corel WordPerfect... Leaved fidonet because flames with stupid people 15 years old that say things like: use FrontDoor, Binkley term is sh... I want stay here in peace, just explain my opinion without offending anyone :-) I know that this is a testing stuff but if this stuff is public and if the instructions for make iso image and CD is on the web I think that someone want people for testing. If this is not the case... sorry, I leave right now :-) Bye Alessandro -- E-Mail: allxsan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 03-Nov-99 Time: 02:06:22 This message was sent by XFMail --
Re: [Cooker] Too much updates
On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, allxsan wrote: On 03-Nov-99 David Hart wrote: On Tue, 02 Nov 1999, allxsan wrote: I like too much Cooker and love the upgrades and the improvement. But I'm very serious and cannot send to other people an incomplete or not working CD. I simply ask, if possible, to upgrade also thinking to me... and others with phone bill charged in minutes. You seem to be missing the point of the Cooker idea. This is not a distribution you should bother with if you only have a modem connection. And it's not meant to always install correctly or even work at all. If your friend needs a working distro, send him Mandrake 6.1, or at least wait until the next release goes into beta. Cooker will ALWAYS be unstable because its not meant to be stable. It's only meant to be a way of constantly testing new stuff. Sorry for the rant, but if I were on the dev team, I'd find your comments somewhat insulting. Insulting? :-))) No flame please :-) I'm was a sysop ( fidonet ) for too much years, betatester for many fidonet technology software, btester for Adaptec EasyCDCreator, Corel WordPerfect... Leaved fidonet because flames with stupid people 15 years old that say things like: use FrontDoor, Binkley term is sh... I want stay here in peace, just explain my opinion without offending anyone :-) I know that this is a testing stuff but if this stuff is public and if the instructions for make iso image and CD is on the web I think that someone want people for testing. If this is not the case... sorry, I leave right now :-) We had many questions "how do i make a cd of this" so we put them their as it's a pretty good spot. Bye Alessandro -- E-Mail: allxsan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 03-Nov-99 Time: 02:06:22 This message was sent by XFMail -- -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
Re: [Cooker] Too much updates
On 03-Nov-99 Axalon Bloodstone wrote: You seem to be missing the point of the Cooker idea. This is not a distribution you should bother with if you only have a modem connection. And it's not meant to always install correctly or even work at all. If your friend needs a working distro, send him Mandrake 6.1, or at least wait until the next release goes into beta. Cooker will ALWAYS be unstable because its not meant to be stable. It's only meant to be a way of constantly testing new stuff. Sorry for the rant, but if I were on the dev team, I'd find your comments somewhat insulting. Insulting? :-))) No flame please :-) I'm was a sysop ( fidonet ) for too much years, betatester for many fidonet technology software, btester for Adaptec EasyCDCreator, Corel WordPerfect... Leaved fidonet because flames with stupid people 15 years old that say things like: use FrontDoor, Binkley term is sh... I want stay here in peace, just explain my opinion without offending anyone :-) I know that this is a testing stuff but if this stuff is public and if the instructions for make iso image and CD is on the web I think that someone want people for testing. If this is not the case... sorry, I leave right now :-) We had many questions "how do i make a cd of this" so we put them their as it's a pretty good spot. Ok, with this answer you mean that doesn't want people for testing? Bye Alessandro -- E-Mail: allxsan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 03-Nov-99 Time: 05:02:00 This message was sent by XFMail --
Re: [Cooker] Too much updates
I was a thinking, How much difference do you think exists between 2 binary rpm packages, say coolstuff-1.0-1mdk.rpm and coolstuff-1.0-2mdk.rpm. I've read something about rhmask which supposedly can make a delta of 2 binaries to be applied to binary 1 to get to binary 2. If this is viable, isn't it possible to have a seperate mirror only containing the deltas. The user would then do a full mirror and there after only deltas. After the delta mirror he then runs a script that updates the full mirror with the deltas and then the process starts again What do you think? Axalon Bloodstone wrote: On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, allxsan wrote: I know that this is a testing stuff but if this stuff is public and if the instructions for make iso image and CD is on the web I think that someone want people for testing. If this is not the case... sorry, I leave right now :-) We had many questions "how do i make a cd of this" so we put them their as it's a pretty good spot. Ok, with this answer you mean that doesn't want people for testing? Um no i simply answered why the instructions for creating an iso are on the website where the mirrors are listed. :) Obviously we want it tested, hacked, or pretty much anything else you would choose todo with it, it's under GPL... If however (i'm not so sure what your expecting) you expect the packages to one day stop flowing and us to say "Hey this is Linux-Mandrake X.y", you've misinterpreted our intentions. Bye Alessandro -- ~~ Alwyn Schoeman Systems Engineer Prism Secure Solutions
Re: [Cooker] Too much updates
Rsync does the same, am I right? Axalon Bloodstone wrote: On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, Alwyn Schoeman wrote: I was a thinking, How much difference do you think exists between 2 binary rpm packages, say coolstuff-1.0-1mdk.rpm and coolstuff-1.0-2mdk.rpm. I've read something about rhmask which supposedly can make a delta of 2 binaries to be applied to binary 1 to get to binary 2. If this is viable, isn't it possible to have a seperate mirror only containing the deltas. The user would then do a full mirror and there after only deltas. After the delta mirror he then runs a script that updates the full mirror with the deltas and then the process starts again What do you think? Sounds "do-able", I don't wanna maintain it, so maybe rsync'ing is more to your likeing. (it's on the mirror list, wfto. i think) Axalon Bloodstone wrote: On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, allxsan wrote: I know that this is a testing stuff but if this stuff is public and if the instructions for make iso image and CD is on the web I think that someone want people for testing. If this is not the case... sorry, I leave right now :-) We had many questions "how do i make a cd of this" so we put them their as it's a pretty good spot. Ok, with this answer you mean that doesn't want people for testing? Um no i simply answered why the instructions for creating an iso are on the website where the mirrors are listed. :) Obviously we want it tested, hacked, or pretty much anything else you would choose todo with it, it's under GPL... If however (i'm not so sure what your expecting) you expect the packages to one day stop flowing and us to say "Hey this is Linux-Mandrake X.y", you've misinterpreted our intentions. Bye Alessandro -- ~~ Alwyn Schoeman Systems Engineer Prism Secure Solutions -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon -- ~~ Alwyn Schoeman Systems Engineer Prism Secure Solutions
Re: [Cooker] Too much updates
Pretty much check out the manpage, On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, Alwyn Schoeman wrote: Rsync does the same, am I right? Axalon Bloodstone wrote: On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, Alwyn Schoeman wrote: I was a thinking, How much difference do you think exists between 2 binary rpm packages, say coolstuff-1.0-1mdk.rpm and coolstuff-1.0-2mdk.rpm. I've read something about rhmask which supposedly can make a delta of 2 binaries to be applied to binary 1 to get to binary 2. If this is viable, isn't it possible to have a seperate mirror only containing the deltas. The user would then do a full mirror and there after only deltas. After the delta mirror he then runs a script that updates the full mirror with the deltas and then the process starts again What do you think? Sounds "do-able", I don't wanna maintain it, so maybe rsync'ing is more to your likeing. (it's on the mirror list, wfto. i think) Axalon Bloodstone wrote: On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, allxsan wrote: I know that this is a testing stuff but if this stuff is public and if the instructions for make iso image and CD is on the web I think that someone want people for testing. If this is not the case... sorry, I leave right now :-) We had many questions "how do i make a cd of this" so we put them their as it's a pretty good spot. Ok, with this answer you mean that doesn't want people for testing? Um no i simply answered why the instructions for creating an iso are on the website where the mirrors are listed. :) Obviously we want it tested, hacked, or pretty much anything else you would choose todo with it, it's under GPL... If however (i'm not so sure what your expecting) you expect the packages to one day stop flowing and us to say "Hey this is Linux-Mandrake X.y", you've misinterpreted our intentions. Bye Alessandro -- ~~ Alwyn Schoeman Systems Engineer Prism Secure Solutions -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon -- ~~ Alwyn Schoeman Systems Engineer Prism Secure Solutions -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
Re: [Cooker] Too much updates
Only problem with rsync, is that it only does the difference copy for files with the same name (: Alwyn Schoeman wrote: Rsync does the same, am I right? Axalon Bloodstone wrote: On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, Alwyn Schoeman wrote: I was a thinking, How much difference do you think exists between 2 binary rpm packages, say coolstuff-1.0-1mdk.rpm and coolstuff-1.0-2mdk.rpm. I've read something about rhmask which supposedly can make a delta of 2 binaries to be applied to binary 1 to get to binary 2. If this is viable, isn't it possible to have a seperate mirror only containing the deltas. The user would then do a full mirror and there after only deltas. After the delta mirror he then runs a script that updates the full mirror with the deltas and then the process starts again What do you think? Sounds "do-able", I don't wanna maintain it, so maybe rsync'ing is more to your likeing. (it's on the mirror list, wfto. i think) Axalon Bloodstone wrote: On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, allxsan wrote: I know that this is a testing stuff but if this stuff is public and if the instructions for make iso image and CD is on the web I think that someone want people for testing. If this is not the case... sorry, I leave right now :-) We had many questions "how do i make a cd of this" so we put them their as it's a pretty good spot. Ok, with this answer you mean that doesn't want people for testing? Um no i simply answered why the instructions for creating an iso are on the website where the mirrors are listed. :) Obviously we want it tested, hacked, or pretty much anything else you would choose todo with it, it's under GPL... If however (i'm not so sure what your expecting) you expect the packages to one day stop flowing and us to say "Hey this is Linux-Mandrake X.y", you've misinterpreted our intentions. Bye Alessandro -- ~~ Alwyn Schoeman Systems Engineer Prism Secure Solutions -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon -- ~~ Alwyn Schoeman Systems Engineer Prism Secure Solutions -- ~~ Alwyn Schoeman Systems Engineer Prism Secure Solutions
