Re: [Cooker] Two questions
Chmouel, your comments? [...] > > Would you mind showing /etc/modprobe.conf? > > > See the attachment for this. > ok, that is an obvious nonsense. I guess I will make modprobe to include modprobe.default automatically instead of relying on including it out of modporbe.conf. generating it this way is WRONG. some modules have changed, some pre/postinstall scripts have changed or not needed any more. module-init-tools supplies modprobe.default that accounts for these changes (tries to). So as suggested, remove module-init-tools, remove modprobe.conf, reinstall module-init-tools and check the difference. It will be more clean and easy to maintain. > > Module seems to exist but I have no idea if it even compiles. > > Try CONFIG_PCNET32 (surprise :) If it compiles and works, tell > > Olivier to include it in its package. > > > You mean re-compile the 2.6 kernel and set this parameter so the module > gets generated? > yep. so far you have alias for eth0 it should work. Apparently just module is missing. BTW compiling 21.6 is much more pleasant and more fast than 2.4 :) And new make xconfig is quite nice. [...] > > I guess the reason I asked about a "how-to" was just to give people a > basic understanding of what to expect from the 2.6Test2 kernel in Cooker > and how to use it (in very basic terms). In order to get more people > testing it, it should be as easy to install and use like the 2.4 kernel > series. > you are right, at least some words about module-init-tools and "generate-modprobe.conf is evil" seem to be needed. Or at least generate-modprobe.conf should be changed to not include standard aliases/config by default (as it does during module-init-tools install). > Thanks for your quick feedback - Let me know if you want to take this > discussion offline . . . > if you still have problems after compiling pcnet32 - send me as much information as you can privately. first check if it loads (and works) using modprobe pcnet32 , then modprobe eth0 then try to find out why it does not load automatically.
Re: [Cooker] Two questions - one answer
Le Dimanche 10 Août 2003 23:43, Robert Fox a écrit : > 1) I reported earlier that xcdroast was segfaulting - I am running the > latest cooker in VMware but can't test it. Could someone please check if > xcdroast works now? Here it is segfaulting also version : xcdroast-0.98-28.alpha14mdk.i586 with cdrecord-2.01-0.a16.1mdk & cdrecord-cdda2wav-2.01-0.a16.1mdk SCSI cd burner A strace indicate that the problem occurs with cdrecord program. Laurent
[Cooker] Two questions -
1) I reported earlier that xcdroast was segfaulting - I am running the latest cooker in VMware but can't test it. Could someone please check if xcdroast works now? 2) Just wondering about ReiserFS4 - it's supposed to be finished very soon. Any chance of adding it into Cooker as an experimental option? I have read that it is incredibly fast! I think some people (like myself) would like to put it through its paces. Thx, R.Fox -- Robert Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fox Consulting Services
Re: [Cooker] Two questions
On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 07:17, =?koi8-r?Q?=22?=Andrey Borzenkov=?koi8-r?Q?=22=20?= wrote: > first of all have you installed cooker version or compiled from > sources? > I installed first a basic Cooker with normal kernel (under VMware) and then did a "urpmi kernel-2.6" which installed both the kernel and the module-init-tools. I then edited /etc/lilo/conf and added the new kernel entry. I also did a "mkinird -f initrd-2.6.0 2.6.0-0.test2.1mdk" > > module-init-tools was installed already. > > if you *installed* current module-init-tools (as opposed to > updating it) /etc/modprobe.conf is generated automatically. > > Otherwise I suggest removing module-init-tools, removing (or backing > up /etc/modprobe.conf) and installing it again. Simply > running generate-modprobe.conf produces overwhelming number of > entries most of which are provided as default. > When I rebooted the VM, I chose the Kernel-2.6 entry and it started booting. The system seemed to boot fine but I discovered no ethernet loaded. So I determined that the pcnet32 modules wasn't loaded. > > I didn't know about the generate-modprobe.conf command - but I ran it, > > it seemed to do something - and the I rebooted. Still there is no > > "pcnet32" module to load. > > by default it just spits output to stdout so it is not of much use. > Would you mind showing /etc/modprobe.conf? > See the attachment for this. > Module seems to exist but I have no idea if it even compiles. > Try CONFIG_PCNET32 (surprise :) If it compiles and works, tell > Olivier to include it in its package. > You mean re-compile the 2.6 kernel and set this parameter so the module gets generated? > > Has anybody written a "how-to" for getting the kernel-2.6 to run > > properly in Mandrake? I'm not afraid to read is I could find > > something specific to Mandrake (or Cooker) > > Theoretically there should not be any need for such how to because you > just install kernel 2.6 package and run it. To make it possible much more user > feedback is needed. Ideally this feedback should provide slightly more information > than "I tried it and it does not work" :))) > Sorry for the limited information. This is the first time I have run the 2.6 - I was waiting for the Mandrake RPMS before I tried because i wanted to avoid having to recompile kernels (I've done this in the past with mixed results and it's very time consuming) I guess the reason I asked about a "how-to" was just to give people a basic understanding of what to expect from the 2.6Test2 kernel in Cooker and how to use it (in very basic terms). In order to get more people testing it, it should be as easy to install and use like the 2.4 kernel series. Thanks for your quick feedback - Let me know if you want to take this discussion offline . . . Thx, Robert alias binfmt-204 binfmt_aout alias binfmt-263 binfmt_aout alias binfmt-264 binfmt_aout alias binfmt-267 binfmt_aout alias binfmt-387 binfmt_aout alias binfmt-332 iBCS alias binfmt--310 binfmt_java alias block-major-1 rd alias block-major-2 floppy alias block-major-3 ide-probe-mod alias block-major-7 loop alias block-major-8 sd_mod alias block-major-9 md alias block-major-11 sr_mod alias block-major-13 xd alias block-major-15 cdu31a alias block-major-16 gscd alias block-major-17 optcd alias block-major-18 sjcd alias block-major-20 mcdx alias block-major-22 ide-probe-mod alias block-major-23 mcd alias block-major-24 sonycd535 alias block-major-25 sbpcd alias block-major-26 sbpcd alias block-major-27 sbpcd alias block-major-29 aztcd alias block-major-32 cm206 alias block-major-33 ide-probe-mod alias block-major-34 ide-probe-mod alias block-major-37 ide-tape alias block-major-44 ftl alias block-major-46 pcd alias block-major-47 pf alias block-major-56 ide-probe-mod alias block-major-57 ide-probe-mod alias block-major-58 lvm-mod alias block-major-88 ide-probe-mod alias block-major-89 ide-probe-mod alias block-major-90 ide-probe-mod alias block-major-91 ide-probe-mod alias block-major-93 nftl alias block-major-97 pg alias char-major-4 serial alias char-major-5 serial alias char-major-6 lp alias char-major-9 st alias char-major-10-0 busmouse alias char-major-10-2 msbusmouse alias char-major-10-3 atixlmouse alias char-major-10-130 wdt alias char-major-10-131 wdt alias char-major-10-135 rtc alias char-major-10-139 openprom alias char-major-10-144 nvram alias char-major-10-157 applicom alias char-major-10-175 agpgart alias char-major-10-184 microcode alias char-major-10-200 tun alias char-major-13 input alias char-major-13-32 mousedev alias char-major-14 soundcore alias char-major-19 cyclades alias char-major-20 cyclades alias char-major-21 sg alias char-major-22 pcxx alias char-major-23 pcxx alias char-major-27 ftape alias char-major-34 scc alias char-major-35 tclmidi alias char-major-36 netlink alias char-major-37 ide-tape alias char-major-48 riscom8 alias char-major-49 riscom8 alias char-major-57 esp alias char-major-58 esp alias char-major-63 kdebug alias char-majo
Re: [Cooker] Two questions - IT WORKS!!
On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 08:03, =?koi8-r?Q?=22?=Andrey Borzenkov=?koi8-r?Q?=22=20?= wrote: > Chmouel, your comments? > > [...] > > > Would you mind showing /etc/modprobe.conf? > > > > > See the attachment for this. > > > > ok, that is an obvious nonsense. I guess I will make modprobe > to include modprobe.default automatically instead of relying > on including it out of modporbe.conf. > I just saw a new kernel-2.6.0-test2.2mdk and downloaded it. After de-installing and re-installing the modprobe-init-tools and the new kernel, re-creating the initrd and then update lilo.conf IT WORKS!! I now have a 2.6 kernel up and running WITH ethernet up! > generating it this way is WRONG. some modules have changed, some > pre/postinstall scripts have changed or not needed any more. > Good to know. > if you still have problems after compiling pcnet32 - send me as much > information as you can privately. first check if it loads (and works) > using modprobe pcnet32 , then modprobe eth0 then try to find out why > it does not load automatically. > Thanks! I didn't have to compile the module but I checked out the new "make xconfig" and find it quite nice! I get the feeling that the 2.6 kernel is FASTER under VMware - but I can't prove it - it does feel quicker. Now on to other problems . . . Thanks for your assistance! Robert
RE: [Cooker] Two questions
Have you installed and ran module-init-tools? You will need to run generate-modprobe.conf /etc/modprobe.conf. This is the 2.6 equivalent to modules.conf... Cory > -Original Message- > From: Robert Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 3:02 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Cooker] Two questions > > > 1) Kernel-2.6.0-test2 works (under VMware) but the pcnet32 network > driver doesn't exist. Isn't this a standard driver? Do I have to > re-compile the kernel for this module? > > 2) On normal kernel bootup - also under VMware, the network card does > load the module, but dhcp doesn't activate during boot. I have to > manually type in dhclient from a root console for it to get an IP > address. Is there something wrong with the initscripts and dhcp? > > Thx, > R.Fox > -- > Robert Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Fox Consulting Services > >
Re: [Cooker] Two questions
first of all have you installed cooker version or compiled from sources? > module-init-tools was installed already. if you *installed* current module-init-tools (as opposed to updating it) /etc/modprobe.conf is generated automatically. Otherwise I suggest removing module-init-tools, removing (or backing up /etc/modprobe.conf) and installing it again. Simply running generate-modprobe.conf produces overwhelming number of entries most of which are provided as default. > I didn't know about the generate-modprobe.conf command - but I ran it, > it seemed to do something - and the I rebooted. Still there is no > "pcnet32" module to load. by default it just spits output to stdout so it is not of much use. Would you mind showing /etc/modprobe.conf? Module seems to exist but I have no idea if it even compiles. Try CONFIG_PCNET32 (surprise :) If it compiles and works, tell Olivier to include it in its package. > Has anybody written a "how-to" for getting the kernel-2.6 to run > properly in Mandrake? I'm not afraid to read is I could find > something specific to Mandrake (or Cooker) Theoretically there should not be any need for such how to because you just install kernel 2.6 package and run it. To make it possible much more user feedback is needed. Ideally this feedback should provide slightly more information than "I tried it and it does not work" :))) thank you -andrey
Re: [Cooker] Two questions
On Wed, 5 Aug 2003, Robert Fox wrote: > 2) On normal kernel bootup - also under VMware, the network card does > load the module, but dhcp doesn't activate during boot. I have to > manually type in dhclient from a root console for it to get an IP > address. Is there something wrong with the initscripts and dhcp? The driver may not support ifplugd, have you tried unchecking the "network hotplugging" option (or whatever they call it now). # ifstatus -v will tell you though Regards, Buchan -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 ** Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. **
RE: [Cooker] Two questions
module-init-tools was installed already. I didn't know about the generate-modprobe.conf command - but I ran it, it seemed to do something - and the I rebooted. Still there is no "pcnet32" module to load. Has anybody written a "how-to" for getting the kernel-2.6 to run properly in Mandrake? I'm not afraid to read is I could find something specific to Mandrake (or Cooker) Thanks, R.Fox On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 21:17, MEISCH,CORY (HP-Vancouver,ex1) wrote: > Have you installed and ran module-init-tools? You will need to run > generate-modprobe.conf /etc/modprobe.conf. This is the 2.6 equivalent to > modules.conf... > > Cory > > > -Original Message- > > From: Robert Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 3:02 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [Cooker] Two questions > > > > > > 1) Kernel-2.6.0-test2 works (under VMware) but the pcnet32 network > > driver doesn't exist. Isn't this a standard driver? Do I have to > > re-compile the kernel for this module? > > > > 2) On normal kernel bootup - also under VMware, the network card does > > load the module, but dhcp doesn't activate during boot. I have to > > manually type in dhclient from a root console for it to get an IP > > address. Is there something wrong with the initscripts and dhcp? > > > > Thx, > > R.Fox > > -- > > Robert Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Fox Consulting Services > > > >
[Cooker] Two questions
1) Kernel-2.6.0-test2 works (under VMware) but the pcnet32 network driver doesn't exist. Isn't this a standard driver? Do I have to re-compile the kernel for this module? 2) On normal kernel bootup - also under VMware, the network card does load the module, but dhcp doesn't activate during boot. I have to manually type in dhclient from a root console for it to get an IP address. Is there something wrong with the initscripts and dhcp? Thx, R.Fox -- Robert Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fox Consulting Services
Re: [Cooker] Two questions on font rendering
On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:23:02 +0100, Danny Tholen wrote: > Hope this makes you feel slightly better: > On Thursday 20 February 2003 09:30, Frederic Crozat wrote: >> >> And I'm almost sure this problem is not the same as the previous one, >> since Xrender doesn't care AT ALL of encoding.. > have to admit I didn't check on the previous bug. But i think freetype2 does > care about encoding? It is just no Xrender bug. Maybe.. I haven't enough time to investigate now.. >> A vote will NEVER convince me to add something which can break rendering, >> so don't lose your time on that.. People can vote whatever they want, if >> it means adding instability to part I maintain, I won't follow their >> votes.. Just because something is pretty don't mean it should be in.. > Well..that is sensible. But it also depends a lot on what exactly is changed > in a new freetype2. If it is bugfixes, it is perhaps safe to do. > >> >> Is it so hard to understand we can't just add any patches (or new >> features) which have not YET been released as stable, just because it >> MIGHT enhanced rendering for some people and BREAK rendering for other ?? > Hmm...AFAIK these patches have been around for a while, and it was discussed > here as well, a long time ago. Everybody agreed that it looked good and > seemed stable IIRC. > > However, I cannot remember if you gave a reason for not incorporating it back > then. No, everybody "on cooker" != everybody who will either download/buy the distro.. Please, understand we can't just add new features which might broke just because they are fancy.. I did add freetype2 support in mozilla for Mdk 9.0 and it was a HUGE mistake because some people got broken rendering and I never understood why exactly.. Freetype2 is a real "sensitive" package, because it is now used to all major toolkits to do font rendering.. This is I now have a very conservative approach regarding this package.. >> I'm tired to have to justify myself EACH time !! > Don't, and sorry if it came on a bad moment. > However, sometimes I see that you have to make a lot of noise to attract some > attention. That is certainly not true for all maintainers of main, but for > some. If you do not shout hard enough you are certain to be ignored. This is > a drawback of the current system. So, my guess is: more justifiying to come > for you:( I already justified myself on this exact subject two or three months ago.. This is why I reacted so bad.. > It comes with the job it seems, but I do not blame you for not liking it. > Actually, you are being relatively spared here on cooker-ml. How so ? I only respond to GNOME/XFT/Freetype/ messages.. I don't have time to read ALL cooker messages.. And I've been unable to work on anything but galaxy GTK theme for 3 weeks.. Again, sorry if my message tone was a little "enflamed" but you must understand all MandrakeSoft staff is currently under a lot of pressure, due to 9.1 release and other problems with the company that everybody already knows.. -- Frederic Crozat MandrakeSoft
Re: [Cooker] Two questions on font rendering
Hope this makes you feel slightly better: On Thursday 20 February 2003 09:30, Frederic Crozat wrote: > > And I'm almost sure this problem is not the same as the previous one, > since Xrender doesn't care AT ALL of encoding.. have to admit I didn't check on the previous bug. But i think freetype2 does care about encoding? It is just no Xrender bug. >> > Then fix OpenOffice.. :) hmm..yes..I do not even *try* to understand that stuff. >> > A vote will NEVER convince me to add something which can break rendering, > so don't lose your time on that.. People can vote whatever they want, if > it means adding instability to part I maintain, I won't follow their > votes.. Just because something is pretty don't mean it should be in.. Well..that is sensible. But it also depends a lot on what exactly is changed in a new freetype2. If it is bugfixes, it is perhaps safe to do. > > Is it so hard to understand we can't just add any patches (or new > features) which have not YET been released as stable, just because it > MIGHT enhanced rendering for some people and BREAK rendering for other ?? Hmm...AFAIK these patches have been around for a while, and it was discussed here as well, a long time ago. Everybody agreed that it looked good and seemed stable IIRC. However, I cannot remember if you gave a reason for not incorporating it back then. > > I'm tired to have to justify myself EACH time !! Don't, and sorry if it came on a bad moment. However, sometimes I see that you have to make a lot of noise to attract some attention. That is certainly not true for all maintainers of main, but for some. If you do not shout hard enough you are certain to be ignored. This is a drawback of the current system. So, my guess is: more justifiying to come for you:( It comes with the job it seems, but I do not blame you for not liking it. Actually, you are being relatively spared here on cooker-ml. Ask some clubvolunteers on how they have to defend descisions (that we do not even make!!) to a lot of complaining clubmembers, who are sometimes much more unpolite that we are:) Danny
Re: [Cooker] Two questions on font rendering
On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 20:01:02 +0100, Danny Tholen wrote: > On Wednesday 19 February 2003 19:55, Michal Bukovjan wrote: >> Frederic Crozat wrote: >> > On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 19:22:34 +0100, Michal Bukovjan wrote: > >> > You don't use cooker, do you ? >> >> I *DO* use cooker. And it is not fixed - try to go to that (any) site in >> the bug report - http://underground.cz ; the coding is fixed (Mozilla >> will use iso-8859-2 correctly), but if you manually switch to UTF-8, >> still the same - mostly empty lines. >> > seems Fred is not using cooker ;) I am.. And I'm almost sure this problem is not the same as the previous one, since Xrender doesn't care AT ALL of encoding.. >> > I won't integrate hacks from Freetype CVS in our Freetype (except if some >> > fonts don't load with our Freetype).. >> > >> > I don't think Freetype 2.1.4 will be in Mdk 9.1, except if it is released >> > this week.. >> >> Now that would be pity - I used the hack for some time, it is very >> stable and current Cooker rendering just looks mediocre when compared :-(. > > It is a pity, generally KDE/GNOME looks OK, but OO.org looks like shit. Then fix OpenOffice.. :) >> >> But it's your decision - I hope someone will release an updated rpm >> then, so that font rendering is pleasant again. > > If they are staying stubborn, I will post a bug fix for freetype2 on all > mirrors via mandrakeclub, if nobody beats me to it. > > Or we can have a vote. Would you be conviced by a vote Frederic? A vote will NEVER convince me to add something which can break rendering, so don't lose your time on that.. People can vote whatever they want, if it means adding instability to part I maintain, I won't follow their votes.. Just because something is pretty don't mean it should be in.. Is it so hard to understand we can't just add any patches (or new features) which have not YET been released as stable, just because it MIGHT enhanced rendering for some people and BREAK rendering for other ?? I'm tired to have to justify myself EACH time !! -- Frederic Crozat MandrakeSoft
Re: [Cooker] Two questions on font rendering
On Wednesday 19 February 2003 19:55, Michal Bukovjan wrote: > Frederic Crozat wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 19:22:34 +0100, Michal Bukovjan wrote: > > You don't use cooker, do you ? > > I *DO* use cooker. And it is not fixed - try to go to that (any) site in > the bug report - http://underground.cz ; the coding is fixed (Mozilla > will use iso-8859-2 correctly), but if you manually switch to UTF-8, > still the same - mostly empty lines. > seems Fred is not using cooker ;) > > I won't integrate hacks from Freetype CVS in our Freetype (except if some > > fonts don't load with our Freetype).. > > > > I don't think Freetype 2.1.4 will be in Mdk 9.1, except if it is released > > this week.. > > Now that would be pity - I used the hack for some time, it is very > stable and current Cooker rendering just looks mediocre when compared :-(. It is a pity, generally KDE/GNOME looks OK, but OO.org looks like shit. > > But it's your decision - I hope someone will release an updated rpm > then, so that font rendering is pleasant again. If they are staying stubborn, I will post a bug fix for freetype2 on all mirrors via mandrakeclub, if nobody beats me to it. Or we can have a vote. Would you be conviced by a vote Frederic? Danny
Re: [Cooker] Two questions on font rendering
Frederic Crozat wrote: On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 19:22:34 +0100, Michal Bukovjan wrote: Hi Frederic/Cooker, could you please comment on this bug? http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=182650 You don't use cooker, do you ? I *DO* use cooker. And it is not fixed - try to go to that (any) site in the bug report - http://underground.cz ; the coding is fixed (Mozilla will use iso-8859-2 correctly), but if you manually switch to UTF-8, still the same - mostly empty lines. This bugs me from time to time on arbitary sites than happen to have an "unsupported" char in the middle of a line of text. I only replace Cooker XFree86 drivers with GATOS ones, as I need video recording and TV capabilities, but I don't think it matters. Because I fixed this a LOOONG time ago :) Also, do you plan to use freetype2-2.1.4 once it comes out (currently at rc1) or at least integrate the once discussed hack into 2.1.3, in spite of feature freeze? The rendering difference is *really* worth it. I won't integrate hacks from Freetype CVS in our Freetype (except if some fonts don't load with our Freetype).. I don't think Freetype 2.1.4 will be in Mdk 9.1, except if it is released this week.. Now that would be pity - I used the hack for some time, it is very stable and current Cooker rendering just looks mediocre when compared :-(. But it's your decision - I hope someone will release an updated rpm then, so that font rendering is pleasant again. Michal
Re: [Cooker] Two questions on font rendering
On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 19:22:34 +0100, Michal Bukovjan wrote: > Hi Frederic/Cooker, > > could you please comment on this bug? > > http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=182650 You don't use cooker, do you ? Because I fixed this a LOOONG time ago :) > > Also, do you plan to use freetype2-2.1.4 once it comes out (currently at > rc1) or at least integrate the once discussed hack into 2.1.3, in spite > of feature freeze? The rendering difference is *really* worth it. I won't integrate hacks from Freetype CVS in our Freetype (except if some fonts don't load with our Freetype).. I don't think Freetype 2.1.4 will be in Mdk 9.1, except if it is released this week.. -- Frederic Crozat MandrakeSoft
[Cooker] Two questions on font rendering
Hi Frederic/Cooker, could you please comment on this bug? http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=182650 Also, do you plan to use freetype2-2.1.4 once it comes out (currently at rc1) or at least integrate the once discussed hack into 2.1.3, in spite of feature freeze? The rendering difference is *really* worth it. Thanks, Michal
