Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 00:57, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 19:09, Austin wrote: On 10/04/2003 05:23:35 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: 9.2 is finalised and gone to duplication. It's way too late. You have to learn to let go, man. :D True, but I think the question was: can it be provided in the online updates That's not how I read the post I replied to. It seemed to want 0.70 in 9.2 proper. That was also my idea, but ok. IMHO Gaim will someday post a 9.2 version of .70 is so very not te way to deal with this. I think users really should be able to upgrade during the install procedure. Making your way trough sourceforge to find the correct update is not done for newbies that try Mandrake as Redmond OS replacement, and Mandrake attracts a lot of those. Jos
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 00:19, Vincent Meyer, MD wrote: Doesn't the installer offer to go grab the last-minute updates? Might make sense to make sure one of the first things in there is gaim 0.70. I got nothing more to say :) Jos
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 00:57, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 19:09, Austin wrote: On 10/04/2003 05:23:35 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: 9.2 is finalised and gone to duplication. It's way too late. You have to learn to let go, man. :D True, but I think the question was: can it be provided in the online updates That's not how I read the post I replied to. It seemed to want 0.70 in 9.2 proper. That was also my idea, but ok. IMHO Gaim will someday post a 9.2 version of .70 is so very not te way to deal with this. Well, I am sure there will be a package in MandrakeClub, and probably very soon on the free MandrakeClub mirrors, which are quite easy to install from. I think users really should be able to upgrade during the install procedure. Upgrades aren't provided for stable releases. Security and bugfix updates are. If this *really* qualifies as a bugfix release, then it will be tested a bit in cooker, and then put up on the mirrors. But consider samba3 for a moment. You can't print to a Windows2003 server, or connect to it with smbclient with samba-2.2.x. We have had samba3 packaged in contrib since before 9.1 was released, and we(I) have done a lot of testing of samba3, and 3.0.0 final was released 2 weeks ago. But it stays in contrib, since it was too late for the release schedule (we were already in version freeze). So, users in networks with Windows2003 servers need to install samba3-client from contrib, which will at least allow them to print and connect with smbclient (they must use mount.cifs which is in main to mount network shares) with minimal effort (by using alternatives). Those of you who depend on gaim could have made similar arrangements ... Making your way trough sourceforge to find the correct update is not done for newbies that try Mandrake as Redmond OS replacement, and Mandrake attracts a lot of those. Sure, but it's just way too late for the 9.2 release itself, and a package does at least need some testing (what if a vulnerability has been introduced in the hasty implementation?), and most likely won't be available for 9.2 until at least a few days after cooker reopens. There is nothing that can be done now besides testing packages and/or convincing the maintainer that this is worthy of a bugfix update (ie file a bug). Regards, Buchan * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 14:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was also my idea, but ok. IMHO Gaim will someday post a 9.2 version of .70 is so very not te way to deal with this. Well, I am sure there will be a package in MandrakeClub, and probably very soon on the free MandrakeClub mirrors, which are quite easy to install from. Once you have found the manual how to do that, indeed. I think users really should be able to upgrade during the install procedure. Upgrades aren't provided for stable releases. Security and bugfix updates are. If this *really* qualifies as a bugfix release, then it will be tested a bit in cooker, and then put up on the mirrors. But consider samba3 for a moment. You can't print to a Windows2003 server, or connect to it with smbclient with samba-2.2.x. We have had samba3 packaged in contrib since before 9.1 was released, and we(I) have done a lot of testing of samba3, and 3.0.0 final was released 2 weeks ago. One big difference: MSN and Yahoo used to work in Gaim, they don't work anymore in 0.68. Yes, it is due to a protocol update, so it is not a bug of Gaim, just a lacking feature. But Gaim pretends that it can connect to Yahoo or MSN, so this is a bug in the eyes of any normal user. When I read your samba 2.2 manual, I (assume I) can't find a section how to print on a Win 2k3 server, for Samba doesn't know Win 2k3 servers. But it stays in contrib, since it was too late for the release schedule (we were already in version freeze). So, users in networks with Windows2003 servers need to install samba3-client from contrib, which will at least allow them to print and connect with smbclient (they must use mount.cifs which is in main to mount network shares) with minimal effort (by using alternatives). Those of you who depend on gaim could have made similar arrangements ... This is not a matter of depending on gaim, this is a matter of willing to prevent reviews from writing Mandrake 9.2 is no good, it comes with broken software Mandrake has a nice update feature during install, let's use it, instead of defining what a bugfix is. What is better ? A few extra kB of updates, or a broken distribution ? Jos
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
Jos Hulzink kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Sunnuntai 05 Lokakuu 2003 15:30): This is not a matter of depending on gaim, this is a matter of willing to prevent reviews from writing Mandrake 9.2 is no good, it comes with broken software Mandrake has a nice update feature during install, let's use it, instead of defining what a bugfix is. What is better ? A few extra kB of updates, or a broken distribution ? The problem that arises here is the bigger picture... You say a few extra kB... But once you open the bugfix/security updates system to this, where does it end...?? People will start saying: ... but you updated that package ..., and this package adds or modifies this or that feature that is needed... if we don't have it I consider it's broken... and we can't have a broken distrib... so where do you draw the line...? and since all packages always gets updated with more features, or feature enchancements... today gaim, tomorrow OpenOffice.org final..., and then ... and suddenly the updates mirrors are not a few kB more... instead you will be calculating the updates in MBs, then in GBs So IMHO here comes the power of an Club membership..., join the club and you will most likely get the downloads there... and all are happy... (you get what you pay for... remember...) -- Regards Thomas
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
On Sunday 05 October 2003 08:55 am, Thomas Backlund wrote: People will start saying: ... but you updated that package ..., and this package adds or modifies this or that feature that is needed... if we don't have it I consider it's broken... and we can't have a broken distrib... Wait. Isn't that what Cooker is? :-) -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
Greg Meyer kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Sunnuntai 05 Lokakuu 2003 16:46): On Sunday 05 October 2003 08:55 am, Thomas Backlund wrote: People will start saying: ... but you updated that package ..., and this package adds or modifies this or that feature that is needed... if we don't have it I consider it's broken... and we can't have a broken distrib... Wait. Isn't that what Cooker is? :-) exactly ;-) If you want the latest all the time... run Cooker ... at your own risk... -- Regards Thomas
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
Making your way trough sourceforge to find the correct update is not done for newbies that try Mandrake as Redmond OS replacement, and Mandrake attracts a lot of those. Just for this reason alone I think there should be a Mandrakeupdate.com that a newbie could go to and get the correct list of update servers (maybe include a copy of the PLF tool also) Oh btw the mnadrake update thing seems to be a bit broken for 9.1 (no US mirrors are valid)
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
Making your way trough sourceforge to find the correct update is not done for newbies that try Mandrake as Redmond OS replacement, and Mandrake attracts a lot of those. Just for this reason alone I think there should be a Mandrakeupdate.com that a newbie could go to and get the correct list of update servers (maybe include a copy of the PLF tool also) MandrakeUpdate can get the list from the existing sites. Please, we don't need *even* more domain names for Mandrake, we have about 10 already, and they're all disparate sites with different navigation systems, seperate identities/accounts etc. Rather, there should be *one* site which is comprehensive enough for everyone to find the details they need. Oh btw the mnadrake update thing seems to be a bit broken for 9.1 (no US mirrors are valid) Check the mirror status page at http://www.mandrakesecure.net * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 06:36:16 +0200 Olivier Blin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #Fix encryption plugin mv %buildroot/usr/lib/gaim/encrypt %buildroot/usr/lib/gaim/encrypt.so It seems to be a libtoolize issue. This can easily be fixed : #we don't use libtool 1.5 yet %define __libtoolize /bin/true So what does everyone think about including gaim 0.70 for 9.2? I see it as a bug fix (fixing yahoo and msn), and this would be a + for newbies. Plus, if we didn't include it, reviews may talk about this issue saying it was a poor decision of Mandrake not to include this bug-fixed version. My 2 cents, John -- Olivier Blin -- Sat Oct 4 11:15:10 CDT 2003 - They told me to install Windows 98 or better, so I installed Linux. Registered Linux User # 315649 Registered Machine # 201001
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
On Saturday 04 Oct 2003 18:16, John Drouhard wrote: So what does everyone think about including gaim 0.70 for 9.2? I see it as a bug fix (fixing yahoo and msn), and this would be a + for newbies. Plus, if we didn't include it, reviews may talk about this issue saying it was a poor decision of Mandrake not to include this bug-fixed version. I'm working on it, though it is the first thing I ever did for cooker, so it might take a few days :) IMHO Gaim 0.70 is a must, otherwise there is no need to ship Gaim at all. Jos
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 17:16, John Drouhard wrote: On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 06:36:16 +0200 Olivier Blin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #Fix encryption plugin mv %buildroot/usr/lib/gaim/encrypt %buildroot/usr/lib/gaim/encrypt.so It seems to be a libtoolize issue. This can easily be fixed : #we don't use libtool 1.5 yet %define __libtoolize /bin/true So what does everyone think about including gaim 0.70 for 9.2? I see it as a bug fix (fixing yahoo and msn), and this would be a + for newbies. Plus, if we didn't include it, reviews may talk about this issue saying it was a poor decision of Mandrake not to include this bug-fixed version. 9.2 is finalised and gone to duplication. It's way too late. You have to learn to let go, man. :D -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
On 10/04/2003 05:23:35 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: 9.2 is finalised and gone to duplication. It's way too late. You have to learn to let go, man. :D True, but I think the question was: can it be provided in the online updates at the end of 9.2 install. While this is usually reserved for secutiry updates, this may be an exception, since instant messaging is rampant, gaim is the most useful client for it, and the shipped version is essentially useless for all but ICQ and jabber... Personally, I think the update is a good idea, but Vincent has recently shown that I know nothing about updates in general. :-) Austin -- Austin Acton Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant, Ph.D. Candidate Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeLinux Volunteer Developer, homepage: www.groundstate.ca
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 04 October 2003 02:09 pm, Austin wrote: On 10/04/2003 05:23:35 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: 9.2 is finalised and gone to duplication. It's way too late. You have to learn to let go, man. :D True, but I think the question was: can it be provided in the online updates at the end of 9.2 install. While this is usually reserved for secutiry updates, this may be an exception, since instant messaging is rampant, gaim is the most useful client for it, and the shipped version is essentially useless for all but ICQ and jabber... Personally, I think the update is a good idea, but Vincent has recently shown that I know nothing about updates in general. :-) Add AOL-IM to the list of ones that still work under 0.68 release. Really though, all that is beside the point. there are fully working builds of 0.70 available from the Gaim project's site that are built especially for MDK. Sure the gaim-encryption plugin isn't included, but that's enough to have working MSN and Yahoo! support. - -- Gary L. Greene, Jr. Sent from uriel.gvsu.edu 6:09pm up 5 days 17:41, 3 users, load average: 0.04, 0.03, 0.00 Founder and president of the Grand Valley Linux Users Group. -=http://www.gvlug.org=- Chief Systems Architect, SSC Limited, Inc. - OS Department. PHONE : (616) 331-0849 EMAIL : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQE/f0YgyPw381UL7WcRAthQAJ9k9oUnVnYcsBiF2ghXJ0nHWD2QJgCYjSju X/XRI729MBqpXvlVyWzwSw== =8nQm -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
On Saturday 04 October 2003 05:23 pm, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 17:16, John Drouhard wrote: On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 06:36:16 +0200 Olivier Blin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #Fix encryption plugin mv %buildroot/usr/lib/gaim/encrypt %buildroot/usr/lib/gaim/encrypt.so It seems to be a libtoolize issue. This can easily be fixed : #we don't use libtool 1.5 yet %define __libtoolize /bin/true So what does everyone think about including gaim 0.70 for 9.2? I see it as a bug fix (fixing yahoo and msn), and this would be a + for newbies. Plus, if we didn't include it, reviews may talk about this issue saying it was a poor decision of Mandrake not to include this bug-fixed version. 9.2 is finalised and gone to duplication. It's way too late. You have to learn to let go, man. :D Doesn't the installer offer to go grab the last-minute updates? Might make sense to make sure one of the first things in there is gaim 0.70. V.
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 22:08, Jos Hulzink wrote: On Saturday 04 Oct 2003 18:16, John Drouhard wrote: So what does everyone think about including gaim 0.70 for 9.2? I see it as a bug fix (fixing yahoo and msn), and this would be a + for newbies. Plus, if we didn't include it, reviews may talk about this issue saying it was a poor decision of Mandrake not to include this bug-fixed version. I'm working on it, though it is the first thing I ever did for cooker, so it might take a few days :) IMHO Gaim 0.70 is a must, otherwise there is no need to ship Gaim at all. Don't waste your energy. 0.70 will be packaged, by the regular packager, as soon as Cooker unfreezes. Your package won't go in any quicker. I expect there'll be a package for MDK 9.2 posted on the gaim site at some stage, too. -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 19:09, Austin wrote: On 10/04/2003 05:23:35 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: 9.2 is finalised and gone to duplication. It's way too late. You have to learn to let go, man. :D True, but I think the question was: can it be provided in the online updates That's not how I read the post I replied to. It seemed to want 0.70 in 9.2 proper. -- adamw
[Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
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Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
yes i know but cooker is still frozen :/ -- Laurent Culioli :: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
El vie, 03-10-2003 a las 19:01, Laurent Culioli escribi: yes i know but cooker is still frozen :/ When will be unfrozen? -- M. Ignacio Monge Garca [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
On Friday 03 October 2003 01:21 pm, M. Ignacio Monge wrote: El vie, 03-10-2003 a las 19:01, Laurent Culioli escribió: yes i know but cooker is still frozen :/ If you want to play with it, and you already have 0.68 loaded, can grab the package from gaim's website and load it on top of the cooker package, and even though it complains about dependencies works great. The package in 9.2, which is 0.68, will no longer work with Yahoo, and may also have problems with MSN now due to protocol changes by those two chat providers :-( V. When will be unfrozen?
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:08:04 -0400 Vincent Meyer, MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 03 October 2003 01:21 pm, M. Ignacio Monge wrote: El vie, 03-10-2003 a las 19:01, Laurent Culioli escribió: yes i know but cooker is still frozen :/ If you want to play with it, and you already have 0.68 loaded, can grab the package from gaim's website and load it on top of the cooker package, and even though it complains about dependencies works great. The package in 9.2, which is 0.68, will no longer work with Yahoo, and may also have problems with MSN now due to protocol changes by those two chat providers :-( Maybe we could cheat a little and put 0.70 in there? ;-). This would help out new linux users that might be a little frustrated with Yahoo and MSN. Maybe the developer's could see this as a bug fix? Just a thought. John Drouhard V. When will be unfrozen? -- Fri Oct 3 16:43:35 CDT 2003 - They told me to install Windows 98 or better, so I installed Linux. Registered Linux User # 315649 Registered Machine # 201001
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
On Friday 03 October 2003 05:50 pm, John Drouhard wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:08:04 -0400 Vincent Meyer, MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 03 October 2003 01:21 pm, M. Ignacio Monge wrote: El vie, 03-10-2003 a las 19:01, Laurent Culioli escribió: yes i know but cooker is still frozen :/ If you want to play with it, and you already have 0.68 loaded, can grab the package from gaim's website and load it on top of the cooker package, and even though it complains about dependencies works great. The package in 9.2, which is 0.68, will no longer work with Yahoo, and may also have problems with MSN now due to protocol changes by those two chat providers :-( Maybe we could cheat a little and put 0.70 in there? ;-). This would help out new linux users that might be a little frustrated with Yahoo and MSN. Maybe the developer's could see this as a bug fix? Just a thought. John Drouhard V. When will be unfrozen? Either that or have it available when the installer prompts for updates at the end if it's too late to get it on the 9.2 release CD's. This IS kind of a special case, as a perfectly functional package at the date that things were frozen became SERIOUSLY broken during freeze, due to external influences. Installing a package with two of the three (arguably) most popular protocols broken will NOT look good for Mandrake, and 0.70 seems pretty solid - been pounding on it since it was released, both on Windows and Cooker. V.
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
On Friday 03 October 2003 05:11 pm, Vincent Meyer, MD wrote: On Friday 03 October 2003 05:50 pm, John Drouhard wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:08:04 -0400 Vincent Meyer, MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 03 October 2003 01:21 pm, M. Ignacio Monge wrote: El vie, 03-10-2003 a las 19:01, Laurent Culioli escribió: yes i know but cooker is still frozen :/ If you want to play with it, and you already have 0.68 loaded, can grab the package from gaim's website and load it on top of the cooker package, and even though it complains about dependencies works great. The package in 9.2, which is 0.68, will no longer work with Yahoo, and may also have problems with MSN now due to protocol changes by those two chat providers :-( Maybe we could cheat a little and put 0.70 in there? ;-). This would help out new linux users that might be a little frustrated with Yahoo and MSN. Maybe the developer's could see this as a bug fix? Just a thought. John Drouhard V. When will be unfrozen? Either that or have it available when the installer prompts for updates at the end if it's too late to get it on the 9.2 release CD's. This IS kind of a special case, as a perfectly functional package at the date that things were frozen became SERIOUSLY broken during freeze, due to external influences. Installing a package with two of the three (arguably) most popular protocols broken will NOT look good for Mandrake, and 0.70 seems pretty solid - been pounding on it since it was released, both on Windows and Cooker. V. If you guys do decide to include it keep an eye on the encryption 2.14 plugin as it seems to build encrypt not encrypt.so though I dont know why. I just did a : #Fix encryption plugin mv %buildroot/usr/lib/gaim/encrypt %buildroot/usr/lib/gaim/encrypt.so in the spec file.
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
#Fix encryption plugin mv %buildroot/usr/lib/gaim/encrypt %buildroot/usr/lib/gaim/encrypt.so It seems to be a libtoolize issue. This can easily be fixed : #we don't use libtool 1.5 yet %define __libtoolize /bin/true -- Olivier Blin
