Re: [Cooker] rc1 install test
Kaixo! On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 06:37:38PM +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote: > > 3. The fonts in all the GTK2 stuff look terrible. Very choppy on > > my 1024x768 LCD, which is a very common thing on laptops. The the gnome font configurator (gnome-font-properties) has fine-tuning options, some of them for LCD displays. Does it makes it better? -- Ki ça vos våye bén, Pablo Saratxaga http://chanae.walon.org/pablo/ PGP Key available, key ID: 0xD9B85466 [you can write me in Walloon, Spanish, French, English, Italian or Portuguese] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] rc1 install test
Buchan Milne wrote: > On Sat, 6 Sep 2003, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > Erm...is 1024x768 actually your laptop's native resolution? Reason I ask > > is I see no problem at all with the 1024x768 images on my CRT. Unless > > you mean the white lines which become more prominent in a spherical > > pattern in the top and slightly to the left, in which case they're, uh, > > part of the image, not a bug. :) > > Actually, it might be worth a bug report, the image looks much worse on > LCD than CRT, the LILO splash screen is dificult to read because of the > graniness near the spotlighted part. I'd been meaning to get off my duff and do it for a while. Here it is: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5311 - John
Re: [Cooker] rc1 install test
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: > I'm not sure Pixel will want to spend the necessary time to make > this real. Changing steps in the installer has always been buggy. > It's complicated and not really designed for it. Removing it > completely allowed us to do things like deleting image files for > language selection once language is selected and thus reduce the > risk of no-space-left-on-device when downloading other install > programs during install (xfs formatter etc). That's fine with me (though I wouldn't mind an "abort install" button). I just started the list because there's always a churning period where people often bring up the same ideas. I placed your reply in the list for reference (always nice to have "why not" as well). Now at: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/MdkInstaller - John
Re: [Cooker] rc1 install test
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Austin wrote: > > On 09/05/2003 09:14:32 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > okay - see my reply to your other post, i think between that and the > > other replies in this thread I think we have it all sorted out, yeah? :) > > Yeah I understand the problem... I think I always did. I was just bringing it > up to see if it has to be done this way. Why can't drakx detect my vgahi card > and screen and use vgahi? Because by the time DrakX can do anything (even stage1 or 2), it's too late. You can't change the framebuffer resolution (AFAIK) once you have booted (or if you can, at least not reliably). Of course, you could always ask to have all the XFree86 drivers included, then they wouldn't need to restrict us to framebuffer X, but that would balloon the size of everything, and we might as well use Knoppix (or minicd) instead. > > In fact, vgahi is not even presented as an option for syslinux. It's like > having a pretty bootsplash is a secret for linux developers only. :-) You obviously haven't used F2 at the syslinux boot screen ... but maybe the vgahi description could be moved to the F1 screen? Regards, Buchan -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
Re: [Cooker] rc1 install test
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003, Adam Williamson wrote: > Erm...is 1024x768 actually your laptop's native resolution? Reason I ask > is I see no problem at all with the 1024x768 images on my CRT. Unless > you mean the white lines which become more prominent in a spherical > pattern in the top and slightly to the left, in which case they're, uh, > part of the image, not a bug. :) Actually, it might be worth a bug report, the image looks much worse on LCD than CRT, the LILO splash screen is dificult to read because of the graniness near the spotlighted part. Regards, Buchan -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
Re: [Cooker] rc1 install test
On 09/05/2003 09:14:32 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: okay - see my reply to your other post, i think between that and the other replies in this thread I think we have it all sorted out, yeah? :) Yeah I understand the problem... I think I always did. I was just bringing it up to see if it has to be done this way. Why can't drakx detect my vgahi card and screen and use vgahi? In fact, vgahi is not even presented as an option for syslinux. It's like having a pretty bootsplash is a secret for linux developers only. :-) Austin -- Austin Acton Hon.B.Sc. Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeClub Volunteer (www.mandrakeclub.com) homepage: www.groundstate.ca
Re: [Cooker] rc1 install test
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 02:13, Austin wrote: > On 09/05/2003 08:06:46 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Erm...is 1024x768 actually your laptop's native resolution? > > Yes. > > > Reason I ask > > is I see no problem at all with the 1024x768 images on my CRT. > > Neither do I. okay - see my reply to your other post, i think between that and the other replies in this thread I think we have it all sorted out, yeah? :) -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] rc1 install test
On 09/05/2003 08:06:46 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: Erm...is 1024x768 actually your laptop's native resolution? Yes. Reason I ask is I see no problem at all with the 1024x768 images on my CRT. Neither do I. Austin -- Austin Acton Hon.B.Sc. Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeClub Volunteer (www.mandrakeclub.com) homepage: www.groundstate.ca
Re: [Cooker] rc1 install test
On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 01:02, Austin wrote: > I just installed rc1 on my laptop (finally, been VERY busy lately). > > A few notes: > > 1. There are still not many 'BACK' button in drakx. This is very > frustrating for a user when he screws up. > > 2. Draksound chose trident() as my soundcard driver, which is OSS. I > thought alsa was the default. If it's not, why is the alsa daemon run > by default? > > 3. The fonts in all the GTK2 stuff look terrible. Very choppy on my > 1024x768 LCD, which is a very common thing on laptops. The 'real' text > mode fonts look fine though. > > 4. While the 'look' of the splash screen and lilo splash is GREAT, the > quality is HIDEOUS. Again, this is scaled to 1024x768 on an LCD. > There are crazy white lines through the nice blue background. It looks > like plaid almost. Is there no better way to scale the images to > 1024x768? Erm...is 1024x768 actually your laptop's native resolution? Reason I ask is I see no problem at all with the 1024x768 images on my CRT. Unless you mean the white lines which become more prominent in a spherical pattern in the top and slightly to the left, in which case they're, uh, part of the image, not a bug. :) -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] rc1 install test
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Austin wrote: > On 09/05/2003 01:33:44 PM, Thierry Vignaud wrote: > >> Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > > > 3. The fonts in all the GTK2 stuff look terrible. Very choppy >> on >> > > > my 1024x768 LCD, which is a very common thing on laptops. The >> > > > 'real' text mode fonts look fine though. >> > > >> > > maybe can you upload a few screenshots on some site and post their >> > > urls? > > > As I suspected, the screenshots look beautiful when viewed with eog. > So it must just be the way stuff gets scaled/rendered in Drakx on my > screen. No, it's that the installer uses the framebuffer X driver, so resolution is dependant on the framebuffer mode, which defaults to 800x600, which will alias badly on 1024x768 (not so badly on 1600x1200 of course, if you have the res ...). > Guess there's no easy way to fix that. There's always a way: vgahi at syslinux prompt (does it for me). (BTW, since we have mostly NVidia cards here, our default network bootdisk is vgahi ...) > > Same for the bootsplash screen... the image file jpegs look fine in > gnome, even at 1:1 scaling. Funny it looks so choppy at boot-time. vga=791 (or maybe 792) Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/WNNRrJK6UGDSBKcRAuOwAKC0uQ+lbrEHA6eddj/eW02h9tcUHwCfVoH+ Ffo+OiSOzXvt28vUK1AssKs= =mo5L -END PGP SIGNATURE- * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
Re: [Cooker] rc1 install test
"John Keller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thierry Vignaud wrote: > > Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > I just installed rc1 on my laptop (finally, been VERY busy lately). > > > > > > A few notes: > > > > > > 1. There are still not many 'BACK' button in drakx. This is very > > > frustrating for a user when he screws up. > > > > postponed to mdk10 > > This is now officially the first item in the Mdk 10 wishlist: > http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/RequestedFeatures I'm not sure Pixel will want to spend the necessary time to make this real. Changing steps in the installer has always been buggy. It's complicated and not really designed for it. Removing it completely allowed us to do things like deleting image files for language selection once language is selected and thus reduce the risk of no-space-left-on-device when downloading other install programs during install (xfs formatter etc). -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] rc1 install test
On 09/05/2003 01:33:44 PM, Thierry Vignaud wrote: Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > 3. The fonts in all the GTK2 stuff look terrible. Very choppy on > > > my 1024x768 LCD, which is a very common thing on laptops. The > > > 'real' text mode fonts look fine though. > > > > maybe can you upload a few screenshots on some site and post their > > urls? As I suspected, the screenshots look beautiful when viewed with eog. So it must just be the way stuff gets scaled/rendered in Drakx on my screen. Guess there's no easy way to fix that. Same for the bootsplash screen... the image file jpegs look fine in gnome, even at 1:1 scaling. Funny it looks so choppy at boot-time. Austin
Re: [Cooker] rc1 install test
Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > 3. The fonts in all the GTK2 stuff look terrible. Very choppy on > > > my 1024x768 LCD, which is a very common thing on laptops. The > > > 'real' text mode fonts look fine though. > > > > maybe can you upload a few screenshots on some site and post their > > urls? > > Sure. How can I take a screenshot in drakx? from gi/docs/SHORTCUTS in cvs: "F2 -> take a screenshot"
Re: [Cooker] rc1 install test
On 09/05/2003 12:13:46 PM, John Keller wrote: Did you run the vgahi install? I did, and the graphical install looked good on my 1024x768 (native) LCD. Well, no. I was just testing the installer like Joe User. Personally I don't care how drakx looks. As long as I can get basesystem installed, that's all I need. I'm not sure a digital camera shot will do it justice, but I can try to post what it looks like. Austin
Re: [Cooker] rc1 install test
On 09/05/2003 12:37:59 PM, Thierry Vignaud wrote: anyway, since alan cox won't maintain much OSS drivers in the short term, sound card default drivers may be progressively switched from OSS to ALSA. Sure, that's cool. > 3. The fonts in all the GTK2 stuff look terrible. Very choppy on > my 1024x768 LCD, which is a very common thing on laptops. The > 'real' text mode fonts look fine though. maybe can you upload a few screenshots on some site and post their urls? Sure. How can I take a screenshot in drakx? Austin
Re: [Cooker] rc1 install test
Thierry Vignaud wrote: > Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I just installed rc1 on my laptop (finally, been VERY busy lately). > > > > A few notes: > > > > 1. There are still not many 'BACK' button in drakx. This is very > > frustrating for a user when he screws up. > > postponed to mdk10 This is now officially the first item in the Mdk 10 wishlist: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/RequestedFeatures Can be moved to a separate page if it explodes. - John
Re: [Cooker] rc1 install test
Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I just installed rc1 on my laptop (finally, been VERY busy lately). > > A few notes: > > 1. There are still not many 'BACK' button in drakx. This is very > frustrating for a user when he screws up. postponed to mdk10 > 2. Draksound chose trident() as my soundcard driver, which is OSS. I > thought alsa was the default. If it's not, why is the alsa daemon run > by default? default is not set by draksound but by ldetect-lst. there's no global "let's default to OSS" or "let's default to ALSA". how each chard defautt was done ? - initially all cards defaulted to OSS - at every new alsa release, i defaulted new supported sound cards to ALSA - then, on users requests, some cards defaults were switched between OSS & ALSA (in both directions). there's not "let enforce ALSA or OSS" policy, it's more or less "let's see what works the best for end users" policy :-) anyway, since alan cox won't maintain much OSS drivers in the short term, sound card default drivers may be progressively switched from OSS to ALSA. > 3. The fonts in all the GTK2 stuff look terrible. Very choppy on > my 1024x768 LCD, which is a very common thing on laptops. The > 'real' text mode fonts look fine though. maybe can you upload a few screenshots on some site and post their urls? pablo? > 4. While the 'look' of the splash screen and lilo splash is GREAT, > the quality is HIDEOUS. Again, this is scaled to 1024x768 on an > LCD. There are crazy white lines through the nice blue background. > It looks like plaid almost. Is there no better way to scale the > images to 1024x768? we currently cannot know easily the fb resolution, 800x600 works everywhere (eg matrox support only 800x600, not 1024x768), ... so we enforece 800x600 (at least for mdk9.2)
Re: [Cooker] rc1 install test
Austin wrote: > 3. The fonts in all the GTK2 stuff look terrible. Very choppy on my > 1024x768 LCD, which is a very common thing on laptops. The 'real' text > mode fonts look fine though. Did you run the vgahi install? I did, and the graphical install looked good on my 1024x768 (native) LCD. - John
[Cooker] rc1 install test
I just installed rc1 on my laptop (finally, been VERY busy lately). A few notes: 1. There are still not many 'BACK' button in drakx. This is very frustrating for a user when he screws up. 2. Draksound chose trident() as my soundcard driver, which is OSS. I thought alsa was the default. If it's not, why is the alsa daemon run by default? 3. The fonts in all the GTK2 stuff look terrible. Very choppy on my 1024x768 LCD, which is a very common thing on laptops. The 'real' text mode fonts look fine though. 4. While the 'look' of the splash screen and lilo splash is GREAT, the quality is HIDEOUS. Again, this is scaled to 1024x768 on an LCD. There are crazy white lines through the nice blue background. It looks like plaid almost. Is there no better way to scale the images to 1024x768? Other than that, all installed smoothly. Good work guys. Austin
