RE: [Cooker] ntp-4.1.1a-1mdk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Eastcott Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 11:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Cooker] ntp-4.1.1a-1mdk On Thursday 15 August 2002 09:31 am, you wrote: [...] IIRC, the ntp page says ntpdate is deprecated, since its functionality can now be duplicated with ntp (or ntpd, I forget)... Yes you can (ntpd), but if the local clock is too far out, it will never lock-in and properly adjust the system time. You can force this with the -g switch If the local clock is not too far out, the ntpd may take up to 2000 seconds to sync the system time. ntpdate (inconjunction with the step-tickers file) was/is used to force an initial step change in system time before starting ntpd so that ntpd can actully do its function with in a short period of time after being started. Regards Paul Carroll email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.subantarctic.org.uk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com Comment: This certifies that this email was sent by Paul Carroll iQA/AwUBPV4yxqLqOrkI0GlTEQJFPQCeK0OoumlQB8b1br1QHa58LHpFocEAn21U mmcm1SPhSQzR7ijCOIXFZXZc =sNUq -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] ntp-4.1.1a-1mdk
On 15. aug 2002 00:59, Oden Eriksson wrote: I have updated the ntp package, either use attached patch, get the package at http://d-srv.com/Cooker/, or ignore the whole thing... it is possible to split this package into two(?) parts? ntp-server, ntp-clients.. many machines is synced via ntp protocol, but not all want be a ntp server;) -- Linux 2.4.19-1mdk Mandrake Linux release 9.0 (Cooker) for i586 11:06am up 1 day, 15 min, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.01, 0.00 msg70607/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] ntp-4.1.1a-1mdk
On torsdagen den 15 augusti 2002 05.09 Tibor Pittich wrote: On 15. aug 2002 00:59, Oden Eriksson wrote: I have updated the ntp package, either use attached patch, get the package at http://d-srv.com/Cooker/, or ignore the whole thing... it is possible to split this package into two(?) parts? ntp-server, ntp-clients.. many machines is synced via ntp protocol, but not all want be a ntp server;) Excellent idea! I'll try to fix it and hope it will be accepted. -- Regards // Oden Eriksson Deserve-IT Networks - http://d-srv.com
Re: [Cooker] ntp-4.1.1a-1mdk
--- Oden Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On torsdagen den 15 augusti 2002 05.09 Tibor Pittich wrote: On 15. aug 2002 00:59, Oden Eriksson wrote: I have updated the ntp package, either use attached patch, get the package at http://d-srv.com/Cooker/, or ignore the whole thing... it is possible to split this package into two(?) parts? ntp-server, ntp-clients.. And some want to be both, the two wouldn't conflict would they? many machines is synced via ntp protocol, but not all want be a ntp server;) Excellent idea! I'll try to fix it and hope it will be accepted. I don't think it needs to be seperate packages. Just have the server configuration commented out in ntp.conf, or install the server config in ntp.server and a comment about that in the header of ntp.conf (which would be a client config) Granted you can use in.timed as the time server (I'm doing this now), but it'd be nice to use ntpd. __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com
Re: [Cooker] ntp-4.1.1a-1mdk
On Thursday 15 August 2002 11:27 am, you wrote: On torsdagen den 15 augusti 2002 05.09 Tibor Pittich wrote: On 15. aug 2002 00:59, Oden Eriksson wrote: I have updated the ntp package, either use attached patch, get the package at http://d-srv.com/Cooker/, or ignore the whole thing... it is possible to split this package into two(?) parts? ntp-server, ntp-clients.. On those nachines not wanting to be a server, would it not just be a matter of chkconfig --del ntpd? many machines is synced via ntp protocol, but not all want be a ntp server;) Excellent idea! I'll try to fix it and hope it will be accepted. Be kinda interesting to know how you propose to split package?
Re: [Cooker] ntp-4.1.1a-1mdk
On 15. aug 2002 06:41, David Eastcott wrote: I'll try to fix it and hope it will be accepted. Be kinda interesting to know how you propose to split package? if i can propose, my idea is: ntp-server - which might be contain: ntpd binar, ntp.conf, ntp.keys, and documentation ntp-clients - which also might be contain: ntpq, ntpdate ntp-server can be required ntp-clients (because ntpd start script needed ntpdate for initial synchronyze.. thanks for interesting about this -- Linux 2.4.19-1mdk Mandrake Linux release 9.0 (Cooker) for i586 3:55pm up 1 day, 5:04, 4 users, load average: 0.06, 0.01, 0.00 msg70670/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] ntp-4.1.1a-1mdk
--- Tibor Pittich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15. aug 2002 06:41, David Eastcott wrote: I'll try to fix it and hope it will be accepted. Be kinda interesting to know how you propose to split package? if i can propose, my idea is: ntp-server - which might be contain: ntpd binar, ntp.conf, ntp.keys, and documentation ntp-clients - which also might be contain: ntpq, ntpdate ntpd is a client too, what you're proposing doesn't actually make any sense. __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com
Re: [Cooker] ntp-4.1.1a-1mdk
Da 15. aug 2002 o 07:22, David Walser napsal(a): ntp-clients - which also might be contain: ntpq, ntpdate ntpd is a client too, what you're proposing doesn't actually make any sense. i think, if program is running as daemon (ntpd) and provide any service then it is server. client is, imho, only standalone application, which can _only_ using this service, but not provide further. p.s.: you call named as client too?;) -- Linux 2.4.19-1mdk Mandrake Linux release 9.0 (Cooker) for i586 4:30pm up 1 day, 5:39, 4 users, load average: 0.03, 0.03, 0.00 msg70676/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] ntp-4.1.1a-1mdk
On torsdagen den 15 augusti 2002 10.22 David Walser wrote: --- Tibor Pittich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15. aug 2002 06:41, David Eastcott wrote: I'll try to fix it and hope it will be accepted. Be kinda interesting to know how you propose to split package? if i can propose, my idea is: ntp-server - which might be contain: ntpd binar, ntp.conf, ntp.keys, and documentation ntp-clients - which also might be contain: ntpq, ntpdate ntpd is a client too, what you're proposing doesn't actually make any sense. Actually it does since the current setup provides both client and server meaning a possible security issue on port 123. Chears. -- Regards // Oden Eriksson Deserve-IT Networks - http://d-srv.com
Re: [Cooker] ntp-4.1.1a-1mdk
On Thu, 2002-08-15 at 15:01, Tibor Pittich wrote: On 15. aug 2002 06:41, David Eastcott wrote: I'll try to fix it and hope it will be accepted. Be kinda interesting to know how you propose to split package? if i can propose, my idea is: ntp-server - which might be contain: ntpd binar, ntp.conf, ntp.keys, and documentation ntp-clients - which also might be contain: ntpq, ntpdate ntp-server can be required ntp-clients (because ntpd start script needed ntpdate for initial synchronyze.. IIRC, the ntp page says ntpdate is deprecated, since its functionality can now be duplicated with ntp (or ntpd, I forget)... -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] ntp-4.1.1a-1mdk
--- Tibor Pittich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think, if program is running as daemon (ntpd) and provide any service then it is server. client is, imho, only standalone application, which can _only_ using this service, but not provide further. p.s.: you call named as client too?;) You're confusing client/server with daemon/program. ntpd is usually run as a client, syncing time with a time server. __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com
Re: [Cooker] ntp-4.1.1a-1mdk
--- Adam Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIRC, the ntp page says ntpdate is deprecated, since its functionality can now be duplicated with ntp (or ntpd, I forget)... Not sure what you're referring to, but rdate does the job, so ntpdate still isn't needed :o) __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com
Re: [Cooker] ntp-4.1.1a-1mdk
--- Oden Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually it does since the current setup provides both client and server meaning a possible security issue on port 123. Unless you changed something in your 4.1.1a, the current setup doesn't allow you to use ntpd as a server, you have to run xinetd+in.timed for that. __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com
Re: [Cooker] ntp-4.1.1a-1mdk
On Thursday 15 August 2002 02:40 pm, you wrote: --- Adam Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIRC, the ntp page says ntpdate is deprecated, since its functionality can now be duplicated with ntp (or ntpd, I forget)... Not sure what you're referring to, but rdate does the job, so ntpdate still isn't needed :o) Currently, the ntpd init script makes use of the ntpdate command to reset the hardware clock prior to starting the ntpd daemon (as recommend by the ntp web pages deep in than the one referenced above) so that the ntpd daemon does not have to work so hard to slew the kernel time. Not sure if it does anything for the ntpd daemon Although you can use rsync, if the the ntp package is installed and you are using ntpd, why not use the ntpdate command.
Re: [Cooker] ntp-4.1.1a-1mdk
On Thursday 15 August 2002 09:31 am, you wrote: [...] IIRC, the ntp page says ntpdate is deprecated, since its functionality can now be duplicated with ntp (or ntpd, I forget)... Yes you can (ntpd), but if the local clock is too far out, it will never lock-in and properly adjust the system time. If the local clock is not too far out, the ntpd may take up to 2000 seconds to sync the system time. ntpdate (inconjunction with the step-tickers file) was/is used to force an initial step change in system time before starting ntpd so that ntpd can actully do its function with in a short period of time after being started.
Re: [Cooker] ntp-4.1.1a-1mdk
On Thursday 15 August 2002 08:01 am, you wrote: On 15. aug 2002 06:41, David Eastcott wrote: I'll try to fix it and hope it will be accepted. Be kinda interesting to know how you propose to split package? if i can propose, my idea is: ntp-server - which might be contain: ntpd binar, ntp.conf, ntp.keys, and documentation ntp-clients - which also might be contain: ntpq, ntpdate ntp-server can be required ntp-clients (because ntpd start script needed ntpdate for initial synchronyze.. thanks for interesting about this In the systems I look after, we have two systems acting as both clients (syncing to external time standards) and as servers (suppling a reference time to all the internal systems. Splitting things into two packages or more simply means I end up installing them all so that I can get the daemon and tools needed. I am not sure that anything is gained by splitting it up...
Re: [Cooker] ntp-4.1.1a-1mdk
On Thursday 15 August 2002 16:41, David Walser wrote: --- Oden Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually it does since the current setup provides both client and server meaning a possible security issue on port 123. Unless you changed something in your 4.1.1a, the current setup doesn't allow you to use ntpd as a server, you have to run xinetd+in.timed for that. Is this right? I use ntpd on 9 machines on my home lan. One checks with US Naval Obeservatory, then all others synchronize with him, and I did nothing strange to the configuration of ntp, or xinetd. I only have allowed any system on the home lan to connect to any service on the firewall (the one who sync's with USNO). -- Chuck +-% He's a real UNIX Man $-+-+ \ Sitting in his UNIX LAN \ Charles A. Shirley \ \ Making all his UNIX plans \ cashirley (at) comcast (dot) net \ +--# For nobody @--+-+
Re: [Cooker] ntp-4.1.1a-1mdk
On Thu, 2002-08-15 at 08:41, David Eastcott wrote: On Thursday 15 August 2002 11:27 am, you wrote: On torsdagen den 15 augusti 2002 05.09 Tibor Pittich wrote: On 15. aug 2002 00:59, Oden Eriksson wrote: I have updated the ntp package, either use attached patch, get the package at http://d-srv.com/Cooker/, or ignore the whole thing... it is possible to split this package into two(?) parts? ntp-server, ntp-clients.. On those nachines not wanting to be a server, would it not just be a matter of chkconfig --del ntpd? Of course you could, but why have servers installed on a system if your never going to use them? (think of all the morons out there who are running default installs of other distros where every server and service is turned on by default) This my friends is called BLOAT. Not that I think we need MORE packages, but I think it's the lesser of two evils. many machines is synced via ntp protocol, but not all want be a ntp server;) Excellent idea! I'll try to fix it and hope it will be accepted. Be kinda interesting to know how you propose to split package? you could use the same src rpm tree, but create two packages, you build the whole thing, but at the end of build you run a script that: For client.rpm - only make installs the client binary and config files for server.rpm - make installs server and server config files. For anything common that they both require, I'd suggest you include it in the client.rpm and have the server.rpm REQUIRE the client rpm, alternatively you could create a THIRD package with ntp-common but I'd recommend against that, there are to many damn packages to keep track of as it is... just my two cents... Ryan
Re: [Cooker] ntp-4.1.1a-1mdk
On Thu, 2002-08-15 at 10:01, Tibor Pittich wrote: On 15. aug 2002 06:41, David Eastcott wrote: I'll try to fix it and hope it will be accepted. Be kinda interesting to know how you propose to split package? if i can propose, my idea is: ntp-server - which might be contain: ntpd binar, ntp.conf, ntp.keys, and documentation ntp-clients - which also might be contain: ntpq, ntpdate ntp-server can be required ntp-clients (because ntpd start script needed ntpdate for initial synchronyze.. thanks for interesting about this Excellent idea, I tried to say the same thing but you made it make more sense :) And you could build the whole thing from the same rpm source tree with two different spec files (one for server package, one for client package) -- Linux 2.4.19-1mdk Mandrake Linux release 9.0 (Cooker) for i586 3:55pm up 1 day, 5:04, 4 users, load average: 0.06, 0.01, 0.00
