Re: [Cooker] Beta 4 install: KDE file sorting
On Wednesday 28 Aug 2002 04:27, Lonnie Borntreger wrote: COOL! You solved it better than I did! On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 20:09, Peter Ruskin wrote: export LC_COLLATE=POSIX When I was trying to solve this, I thought I had gone through every LC_ variable and unset it, did an ls, then on to the next. I totally missed LC_COLLATE. That is the ONLY one that needs to be set to C or POSIX. THANK YOU!!! Now I don't have to hack my X11 startup scripts anymore, just need to set that in /etc/sysconfig/i18n. You're welcome. I thank you again for putting me on the right track. You're absolutely right Lonnie. Thanks for that information and my apologies for falsely maligning Mandrake. What I do now is add the following lines to /etc/profile: export LANG=en_GB export LANGUAGE=en_GB:en export LC_MESSAGES=en_GB export LC_MONETARY=en_GB export LC_TIME=en_GB export LC_COLLATE=POSIX All you have to do is put all that into /etc/sysconfig/i18n so all things on the system that set locales will see it - not everything uses /etc/profile. That's what I'll do with Mandrake. My gentoo box doesn't use /etc/sysconfig/i18n - that's why I put it in /etc/profile for now. -- Gentoo Linux (portage-2.0.28). KDE: 3.0.3 Qt: 3.0.5 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1600+ 512MB Kernel: 2.4.19-win4lin. GCC 2.95.3 Linux user #275590 (http://counter.li.org/). up 10:16. #=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=#
Re: [Cooker] Beta 4 install: KDE file sorting
On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 10:27:58PM -0500, Lonnie Borntreger wrote: COOL! You solved it better than I did! On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 20:09, Peter Ruskin wrote: export LC_COLLATE=POSIX When I was trying to solve this, I thought I had gone through every LC_ variable and unset it, did an ls, then on to the next. I totally missed LC_COLLATE. That is the ONLY one that needs to be set to C or POSIX. THANK YOU!!! Now I don't have to hack my X11 startup scripts anymore, just need to set that in /etc/sysconfig/i18n. Thank you very, very much! That's what I needed since Mandrake 8.0! One can say it not enough: # setenv LC_COLLATE posix Thank's again. Liebe Grüße, Nora. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM-NETZ Neue Medien, Berlin http://www.im-netz.de/ WWW von Frauen für Frauen, Hamburghttp://www.w4w.net/ Lesbian Computer Networks, Helsinki http://www.sappho.net/
Re: [Cooker] Beta 4 install: KDE file sorting
On Wednesday 28 Aug 2002 12:58, Nora Etukudo wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 10:27:58PM -0500, Lonnie Borntreger wrote: COOL! You solved it better than I did! On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 20:09, Peter Ruskin wrote: export LC_COLLATE=POSIX When I was trying to solve this, I thought I had gone through every LC_ variable and unset it, did an ls, then on to the next. I totally missed LC_COLLATE. That is the ONLY one that needs to be set to C or POSIX. THANK YOU!!! Now I don't have to hack my X11 startup scripts anymore, just need to set that in /etc/sysconfig/i18n. Thank you very, very much! That's what I needed since Mandrake 8.0! One can say it not enough: # setenv LC_COLLATE posix Thank's again. Liebe Grüße, Nora. /me blushes -- Gentoo Linux (portage-2.0.28). KDE: 3.0.3 Qt: 3.0.5 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1600+ 512MB Kernel: 2.4.19-win4lin. GCC 2.95.3 Linux user #275590 (http://counter.li.org/). up 43 min. #=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=#
Re: [Cooker] Beta 4 install: KDE file sorting
On Sunday 25 Aug 2002 17:53, Lonnie Borntreger wrote: On Sun, 2002-08-25 at 07:46, Peter Ruskin wrote: KDE file sorting. I like to see traditional UNIX file sorting, like .X .a X a ...but I've never been able to make that setting stick in konqueror. It's an old KDE bug (reported) that goes back to KDE 2.0 but nobody bothers to fix. However, now we have a Mandrake KDE bug that sorts a .b W .X Y ...which is _very_ annoying. Been there, dealt with that. It's a locales issue, and at a level lower than KDE. If you log in to the command line, you'll see the same behavior. If you unset the LC_* and LANG variables, then the sorting will be the traditional way. My guess is that it is done this way to be nicer to people moving from Windows, where W and w are considered equivalent. Initially (in the cooker time-frame before 8.0), I just zeroed out the /etc/sysconfig/i18n file. However, I seem to remember that messed with my font sizes in Gnome apps I ran. So, I made changes to /etc/profile to not run /etc/profile.d/*lang.sh, and then went into /etc/X11 and commented out lines in Xsession and prefdm that sourced in the /etc/profile.d/*lang.sh file. Logged in again, and all was well. It's been a while so I may not remember everything I did, but now my sorting is traditional. Of course, this is English specific. You're absolutely right Lonnie. Thanks for that information and my apologies for falsely maligning Mandrake. What I do now is add the following lines to /etc/profile: export LANG=en_GB export LANGUAGE=en_GB:en export LC_MESSAGES=en_GB export LC_MONETARY=en_GB export LC_TIME=en_GB export LC_COLLATE=POSIX ... and then `locale` gives me: $ locale LANG=en_GB LC_CTYPE=en_GB LC_NUMERIC=en_GB LC_TIME=en_GB LC_COLLATE=POSIX LC_MONETARY=en_GB LC_MESSAGES=en_GB LC_PAPER=en_GB LC_NAME=en_GB LC_ADDRESS=en_GB LC_TELEPHONE=en_GB LC_MEASUREMENT=en_GB LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_GB LC_ALL= ...and my sorting is in order again. -- Gentoo Linux (portage-2.0.28). KDE: 3.0.3 Qt: 3.0.5 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1600+ 512MB Kernel: 2.4.19-win4lin. GCC 2.95.3 Linux user #275590 (http://counter.li.org/). up 1:45. #=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=#
Re: [Cooker] Beta 4 install: KDE file sorting
COOL! You solved it better than I did! On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 20:09, Peter Ruskin wrote: export LC_COLLATE=POSIX When I was trying to solve this, I thought I had gone through every LC_ variable and unset it, did an ls, then on to the next. I totally missed LC_COLLATE. That is the ONLY one that needs to be set to C or POSIX. THANK YOU!!! Now I don't have to hack my X11 startup scripts anymore, just need to set that in /etc/sysconfig/i18n. You're absolutely right Lonnie. Thanks for that information and my apologies for falsely maligning Mandrake. What I do now is add the following lines to /etc/profile: export LANG=en_GB export LANGUAGE=en_GB:en export LC_MESSAGES=en_GB export LC_MONETARY=en_GB export LC_TIME=en_GB export LC_COLLATE=POSIX All you have to do is put all that into /etc/sysconfig/i18n so all things on the system that set locales will see it - not everything uses /etc/profile. TTFN, Lonnie Borntreger
Re: [Cooker] Beta 4 install: KDE file sorting
On Sun, 2002-08-25 at 07:46, Peter Ruskin wrote: KDE file sorting. I like to see traditional UNIX file sorting, like .X .a X a ...but I've never been able to make that setting stick in konqueror. It's an old KDE bug (reported) that goes back to KDE 2.0 but nobody bothers to fix. However, now we have a Mandrake KDE bug that sorts a .b W .X Y ...which is _very_ annoying. Been there, dealt with that. It's a locales issue, and at a level lower than KDE. If you log in to the command line, you'll see the same behavior. If you unset the LC_* and LANG variables, then the sorting will be the traditional way. My guess is that it is done this way to be nicer to people moving from Windows, where W and w are considered equivalent. Initially (in the cooker time-frame before 8.0), I just zeroed out the /etc/sysconfig/i18n file. However, I seem to remember that messed with my font sizes in Gnome apps I ran. So, I made changes to /etc/profile to not run /etc/profile.d/*lang.sh, and then went into /etc/X11 and commented out lines in Xsession and prefdm that sourced in the /etc/profile.d/*lang.sh file. Logged in again, and all was well. It's been a while so I may not remember everything I did, but now my sorting is traditional. Of course, this is English specific. TTFN, Lonnie Borntreger
