Re: Fwd: Re: [Cooker] Help...Someone..!
Peter Ruskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks for that. I await your menu editor. I have read the contents of /usr/doc/menu-2.1.5, and I'm trying to live with it, but I *do* *not* like it at all. If I wanted to be dictated to about how I do my everyday work then perhaps I would have chosen a distribution like Debian. [...] Out of sheer bloody-mindness, I continue, carefully backing up /usr/share/applnk so I can restore *my* links when a new RPM has zapped them. But I really don't need this and I'd appreciate it if you would consider whether the Debian Menu System really is "excellent software" or not. Put your links as menu entries in /usr/lib/menu/ and you'll have no more problems. :-) We've been criticized a lot for that menu system. Of course mainly by KDE or Gnome users, because on these desktops the menu system was standardly quite usable, compared to the one in icewm and so on. But, we (at least, "I") still believe that this is a good thing. Whatever RPM you install from our install cd, you'll get the menu entry in a uniform way, at the logical location, whatever WM you use. Now the menu is full of many apps ;-). Moreover, it's *very* good for the "newbie" users, for which this is a pain to "guess" what binary they have to use to try the software they want to. I often heard questions like "which is the *code* to launch that program". That reflects the understanding of basic users, and we have to make their life easier. Everyone has been a basic user once in his life. And for me, who I believe is not a "basic" user, it's a very neat system, once you know that you have to put the menu entries in the correct location. Of course, the kde menu editor is for the moment perfectly useless and this is a problem. I believe the menu editor soon to come shall fix that. -- Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: Fwd: Re: [Cooker] Help...Someone..!
Submitted 13-Jul-00 by Guillaume Cottenceau: We've been criticized a lot for that menu system. Of course mainly by KDE or Gnome users, because on these desktops the menu system was standardly quite usable, compared to the one in icewm and so on. I think that part of the problem is that not only do many apps come with predefined menu entries for Gnome/KDE and not our menu system, but when we use another variety (i.e. not mandrakeized) version of the window managers we no longer get menu entries with newly installed mandrakeized apps. Perhaps a contrib package could be made available that has the appropriate scripts from /etc/menu-methods so that those who run a vanilla or Helix Gnome, compile KDE themselves, or what have you can still benefit from the menu system. This package would also make "our" menu system available for users of other distros. I'm sure we all agree that if we want this system to become stndard it has to be accessible. One point that bugs me about the menu system is that the docs say that I can put menu entries in ~/.menu, but in practice this does not seem to work :/ -- _ _|_|_ ( ) *Anton Graham /v\ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] /( )X (m_m) GPG ID: 18F78541 Penguin Powered!
Re: [Cooker] Help...Someone..!
Peter Ruskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'll make a note of that one - thanks ... *but* ... What is wrong with this new consolidated menu system? I was perfectly happy with the old KDE menus, but I thought: OK, I'll go along with these drab pastel icons if it's the way forward. Extract of the soon to be released next mdk-rpm-howto: para As of the 7.1 version of Linux-Mandrake, we now use the Menu System written by Debian. /para para This excellent software provides a Window-Manager independant way to register an application to the system. Most of the time, this registration will become effective in the Start button or alike of your favourite Window Manager. /para para It works like this: each package includes a file in directory literal/usr/lib/menu//literal. Most of the time the filename will be the name of the package. In this file, it will have one line per menu-entry, like this: /para However, if I install an RPM from Cooker, Contribs, etc., and it doesn't know about 'Amusement', 'Configuration' or the other new menu items, it reads the applnk and makes a new menu item, for example, the old 'Utilities'. That's OK, I can find it. But the next time I boot - it's disappeared. How can I stop this happening? I want to be able to customise the menus *without* something cancelling my changes between sessions. We are working on a menu editor. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) For the moment you can edit the entries by hand ; all the menu entries have to be in /usr/lib/menu Read /usr/doc/menu*/* for more information -- "Pixel, il faut mettre un peu de chaleur dans tes contacts humains" (c) Titi
Fwd: Re: [Cooker] Help...Someone..!
-- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [Cooker] Help...Someone..! Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:50:21 +0100 From: Peter Ruskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] rant mode Thanks for that. I await your menu editor. I have read the contents of /usr/doc/menu-2.1.5, and I'm trying to live with it, but I *do* *not* like it at all. If I wanted to be dictated to about how I do my everyday work then perhaps I would have chosen a distribution like Debian. The way forward for Linux is for it to get on everybody's desktop. The KDE people know this and have been doing great work to promote an alternative desktop operating system. I moved from RedHat to Mandrake mainly because it seemed more KDE-friendly but now I'm not so sure. Hey, KDE already has a perfectly good menu editor, despite Mandrake's attempt to hide it (Configuration ¦ Other, would you believe). I like to organise my menus to reflect *my* work, for example: ¦ -- Document control -- Programming -- User guides -- Ornithology -- Finance -- Japanese porcelain -- Gardening stuff All right, some of the headings are fictitious, but I could do that before ML71, by adding the appropriate folders and .kdelnks to /usr/share/applnk. I'm still trying to do this now, by adding .kdelnks to /usr/share/applnk and adding entries in /etc/menu then calling update-menus. The new menu items live only until I install an RPM - when my `rogue' .kdelnks simply get wiped out without question -- this is pure arrogance. Out of sheer bloody-mindness, I continue, carefully backing up /usr/share/applnk so I can restore *my* links when a new RPM has zapped them. But I really don't need this and I'd appreciate it if you would consider whether the Debian Menu System really is "excellent software" or not. /rant mode On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Peter Ruskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'll make a note of that one - thanks ... *but* ... What is wrong with this new consolidated menu system? I was perfectly happy with the old KDE menus, but I thought: OK, I'll go along with these drab pastel icons if it's the way forward. Extract of the soon to be released next mdk-rpm-howto: para As of the 7.1 version of Linux-Mandrake, we now use the Menu System written by Debian. /para para This excellent software provides a Window-Manager independant way to register an application to the system. Most of the time, this registration will become effective in the Start button or alike of your favourite Window Manager. /para para It works like this: each package includes a file in directory literal/usr/lib/menu//literal. Most of the time the filename will be the name of the package. In this file, it will have one line per menu-entry, like this: /para However, if I install an RPM from Cooker, Contribs, etc., and it doesn't know about 'Amusement', 'Configuration' or the other new menu items, it reads the applnk and makes a new menu item, for example, the old 'Utilities'. That's OK, I can find it. But the next time I boot - it's disappeared. How can I stop this happening? I want to be able to customise the menus *without* something cancelling my changes between sessions. We are working on a menu editor. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) For the moment you can edit the entries by hand ; all the menu entries have to be in /usr/lib/menu Read /usr/doc/menu*/* for more information -- "Pixel, il faut mettre un peu de chaleur dans tes contacts humains" (c) Titi -- -- Peter Ruskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrexham, UK KDE - the professionals' choice -- --- -- -- Peter Ruskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrexham, UK KDE - the professionals' choice --
Re: [Cooker] Help...Someone..!
Chmouel Boudjnah wrote: "Danny W. Burdick" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just downloaded and ran the install for new Corel Photoshop 9 free download rpm advertised for use with Mandrake.. BAD BAD BAD NEWS I had the beautiful default pulldown kde menus with Mandrake 7.1 and all the latest updates installed..and instead of leaving the desktop alone it completely replaced all my beautiful Mandrake color pulldown menus with an ugly ugly ugly 4 entry pulldown menu that reminds me of stock redhat out of the box... All the entries are gone...! Anyone figure out how to put it all back PLEASE.HELP ME AND LET ME KNOW as root : /usr/bin/update-menus -- MandrakeSoft Inchttp://www.mandrakesoft.com San-Francisco, CA USA --Chmouel This fix put back all the pulldown menu entries just fine...but I just noticed that all the file associations are gone now so when i go into a directory and let's say click on a wav file or a text file are an archived file...the appropriate file to take action doesn't happen anymore...it just opens up a blank menu prompt and wants me to tell it which file to execute on . and then it happens Pls tell me there is an update command for file associations Thanks
Re: [Cooker] Help...Someone..!
I'll make a note of that one - thanks ... *but* ... What is wrong with this new consolidated menu system? I was perfectly happy with the old KDE menus, but I thought: OK, I'll go along with these drab pastel icons if it's the way forward. However, if I install an RPM from Cooker, Contribs, etc., and it doesn't know about 'Amusement', 'Configuration' or the other new menu items, it reads the applnk and makes a new menu item, for example, the old 'Utilities'. That's OK, I can find it. But the next time I boot - it's disappeared. How can I stop this happening? I want to be able to customise the menus *without* something cancelling my changes between sessions. On Sat, 01 Jul 2000, Chmouel wrote: "Danny W. Burdick" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just downloaded and ran the install for new Corel Photoshop 9 free download rpm advertised for use with Mandrake.. BAD BAD BAD NEWS I had the beautiful default pulldown kde menus with Mandrake 7.1 and all the latest updates installed..and instead of leaving the desktop alone it completely replaced all my beautiful Mandrake color pulldown menus with an ugly ugly ugly 4 entry pulldown menu that reminds me of stock redhat out of the box... All the entries are gone...! Anyone figure out how to put it all back PLEASE.HELP ME AND LET ME KNOW as root : /usr/bin/update-menus -- MandrakeSoft Inchttp://www.mandrakesoft.com San-Francisco, CA USA --Chmouel -- -- Peter Ruskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrexham, UK KDE - the professionals' choice --
Re: [Cooker] Help...Someone..!
"Danny W. Burdick" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just downloaded and ran the install for new Corel Photoshop 9 free download rpm advertised for use with Mandrake.. BAD BAD BAD NEWS I had the beautiful default pulldown kde menus with Mandrake 7.1 and all the latest updates installed..and instead of leaving the desktop alone it completely replaced all my beautiful Mandrake color pulldown menus with an ugly ugly ugly 4 entry pulldown menu that reminds me of stock redhat out of the box... All the entries are gone...! Anyone figure out how to put it all back PLEASE.HELP ME AND LET ME KNOW as root : /usr/bin/update-menus -- MandrakeSoft Inchttp://www.mandrakesoft.com San-Francisco, CA USA --Chmouel
Re: [Cooker] Help...Someone..!
Chmouel Boudjnah wrote: "Danny W. Burdick" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just downloaded and ran the install for new Corel Photoshop 9 free download rpm advertised for use with Mandrake.. BAD BAD BAD NEWS I had the beautiful default pulldown kde menus with Mandrake 7.1 and all the latest updates installed..and instead of leaving the desktop alone it completely replaced all my beautiful Mandrake color pulldown menus with an ugly ugly ugly 4 entry pulldown menu that reminds me of stock redhat out of the box... All the entries are gone...! Anyone figure out how to put it all back PLEASE.HELP ME AND LET ME KNOW as root : /usr/bin/update-menus -- MandrakeSoft Inchttp://www.mandrakesoft.com San-Francisco, CA USA --Chmouel You guys are life saversI am getting pretty tired of having to reinstall just to keep it like I went to all the trouble to set it up like Thanks...that did it and That new PhotoPaint 9 is unbelievable..my kids played with it for hours.
