Re: [Cooker] IMO: How Mandrake 9.1 Can Be The 'Killer App' forDesktop Linux
On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, Marcel Pol wrote: > > Finally someone needs to add sane to the /etc/services file (or try and have > > the sane package mangle it in %post or something). > > Just patch the setup rpm? Yes, the preferred method if someone will do it. > The portnumber has recently been registered at iana.org, so I guess that > should be ok. Warly? > > > In fact, if someone will commit the stuff, I will do it myself, testing n > > my 9.0 box which I still need to finish setting up, and mail the changes > > to Till. Only thing to decide on is how to handle the /etc/services entry, > > and handling of device permissions ... > > Maybe add saned to the usb or users group? Among others ... > I have the weird thing here that the device is owned by me as user, and I have > no clue how to get it back to default. > Hack on /etc/security/console.perms: 0660 0660 root.usb And run 'pam_console_apply -r' as root. I think that's all that is necessary for usb scanners. A similar thing would need to be done for scsi scanners. Might also need to hack on /etc/devfsd.conf or the scanner script referenced there ... Buchan -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
Re: [Cooker] IMO: How Mandrake 9.1 Can Be The 'Killer App' forDesktop Linux
On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 10:41:41 +0200 (SAST) Buchan Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But saned is included in the sane-backends rpm. All that really needs to > be done is to make a subpackage which contains saned, /etc/xinetd.d/saned > (example in the man page) which creates the saned user in %pre. I couldn't get the sane src.rpm compiled, and I haven't looked at it further yet. > Finally someone needs to add sane to the /etc/services file (or try and have > the sane package mangle it in %post or something). Just patch the setup rpm? The portnumber has recently been registered at iana.org, so I guess that should be ok. > In fact, if someone will commit the stuff, I will do it myself, testing n > my 9.0 box which I still need to finish setting up, and mail the changes > to Till. Only thing to decide on is how to handle the /etc/services entry, > and handling of device permissions ... Maybe add saned to the usb or users group? I have the weird thing here that the device is owned by me as user, and I have no clue how to get it back to default. -- Marcel Pol Linux 2.4.21-0.pre3.1mdk-ringworld1, up 13:50, 5 users Registered User #163523
Re: [Cooker] IMO: How Mandrake 9.1 Can Be The 'Killer App' forDesktop Linux
On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: > I just opted VNC as 'food for thought' not as a real option for your mom (or > mine)=:o) > > I can understand what you're getting at but this "killer App" thing gives me a > kind of retro feel. > A lot of trouble to create something a lot of people say they need but won't > be using anyway because of the inconveniences it brings about. > But saned is included in the sane-backends rpm. All that really needs to be done is to make a subpackage which contains saned, /etc/xinetd.d/saned (example in the man page) which creates the saned user in %pre. Finally someone needs to add sane to the /etc/services file (or try and have the sane package mangle it in %post or something). In fact, if someone will commit the stuff, I will do it myself, testing n my 9.0 box which I still need to finish setting up, and mail the changes to Till. Only thing to decide on is how to handle the /etc/services entry, and handling of device permissions ... > My personal view could be distorted because I use ssh an -X forwarding quite a > lot and share as much hardware as I can. Sure, X-Forwarding is great, just is too much mission to setup for Windows users ... > > This means I've got gimp running on the remote machine (I hardly ever use > xsane directly) that has the scanner, add it (the resulting scan/image) to > the project I'm working on (which is rsync'ed daily on all the boxes) , print > it using cups (usually on the box where I sit) and burn the resulting > demo(remotely again) on yet another machine. http://wwwhomes.uni-bielefeld.de/jhaeger/webCDwriter/ We use this quite a bit to stop every Windows user complaining that they also want a CD-Writer. Unfortunately it can't go in the distro, but the author currently provides RPMs for 9.0, and I normally try and make some while he is running an old release ... > Essentially I think X forwarding (or vnc, or whatever) is easier to add to > xsane than rewrite/create a saned that does the same, only on a limited > scale. In other words: A broad(er) perspective of integrated remote services > (web based?) is needed here, not just an xsane copy of cups. > Maybe you misunderstood. Everything is there, it just needs to have slight configuration tweaks. I have been scanning remotely with xsane/saned since I got my USB scanner about a 9 months ago. Buchan -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
Re: [Cooker] IMO: How Mandrake 9.1 Can Be The 'Killer App' forDesktop Linux
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: > On Friday 17 January 2003 17:10, Marcel Pol wrote: > > But it limits you to X Window. So if you run a Mac, you need X Window on > > there. The same with Windows. Also the server needs at least the X Window > > libs installed. So you can call it a bit of overhead. > > That still leaves VNC as an option.:o) > But then you still have to transfer the image. OK, this is how it works: 1)Setup saned on the server (happens to share internet connections as well etc) 2)Installed sane-twaing on windows 3)From paint-shop-pro or Office2k or OpenOffice, choose something like "Insert->Graphics->Scan->Select Source->SaneTwain, then Insert->Graphics->Scan->Acquire" (on windows). OpenOffice under linux works similarly. Gimp on windows also has File->Acquire or simlar. This my mom cuold use. VNC, I don't think so. Then, I just use xsane under linux (or OpenOffice), and setup the sane net backend. Much simpler, and something people would pay money for (network-able scanners are expensive ..). Buchan -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
Re: [Cooker] IMO: How Mandrake 9.1 Can Be The 'Killer App' forDesktop Linux
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:38:26 + "H.J.Bathoorn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 17 January 2003 12:24, Marcel Pol wrote: > > And no need to login through ssh, use a commandline tool to scan (how do > > you view the preview?), then make it available over a fileserver or > > through scp. > > Of course I meant with -X forwarding. I didn't think of that possibility. But it limits you to X Window. So if you run a Mac, you need X Window on there. The same with Windows. Also the server needs at least the X Window libs installed. So you can call it a bit of overhead. Also, Sane-twain on windows makes a saned scanner accessible as a twain plugin for every win app that supports twain. I get your point though. If you already run X Window, then that might be the easiest solution for you. But if you have an office with windows machines, saned can give you much more. -- Marcel Pol Linux 2.4.21-pre2.1mdk-ringworld.2, up 1 day, 6:17 Registered User #163523
Re: [Cooker] IMO: How Mandrake 9.1 Can Be The 'Killer App' forDesktop Linux
> It's not the just the fonts, it's MCC in general that's very unresponsive. > Even enabling the "log window" undrneath shows nought. > The only way to check is a glance at cpu and/or mem activity=:o( > > MCC needs a lot more polishing, imho. > > HarM > This is something that is going to need fixed...even if it is working correctly underneath...Users DO need sufficient feedback, especially windows/mac converts. I totally agree that MCC needs a lot of work...infact I have been thinking about this for a while too, ergonomics/usability: http://www.phatvibez.net/files/mandrake/draketools.html I started it about a month or so before the holiday season and have just now started to work on it again... Anybody that want's to help go through and totally trash MCC in terms of usability and ergonomics let me know. -Brad
Re: [Cooker] IMO: How Mandrake 9.1 Can Be The 'Killer App' forDesktop Linux
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:05:49 + "H.J.Bathoorn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 17 January 2003 11:22, Marcel Pol wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:01:27 +0200 > > > > Buchan Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Speaking of scanners, someone needs to look at making saned (a killer > > > application, sharing a scanner under windows is impossible, but can be > > > done under linux with some effort at present) easier to setup. > > > > Would that be done with a saned entry in /etc/xinetd/ ? > > I wouldn't know how to have saned.conf opened up for host on the local > > network, maybe that should still be done manual then. Default it doesn't > > allow any hosts. > > But what's the point of having a shared scanner? > > You still physically have to put your original on the glass plate and making > > multiple scans of the same original doesn't happen that often. > > In those rare cases a telnet or ssh session would suffice wouldn't it? There's no use in having a scanner accessible on building5, floor8, room6, while you're in building3. But for a small office, when people share the same room, why not. If you have to walk 3 meters to change the paper, walk to your workstation, and hit a button in gimp, or under windows with a sane-twain program, then life is easy. You can edit the generated scan on your desktop immediately. If the scannerserver is already running as a printserver or so, it can be a small effort to set up a scannerserver, which makes it accessable to everyone immediately. No need to run around with that scanner, and making sure you have drivers installed on every machine. And no need to login through ssh, use a commandline tool to scan (how do you view the preview?), then make it available over a fileserver or through scp. -- Marcel Pol Linux 2.4.21-pre2.1mdk-ringworld.2, up 1 day, 1:17 Registered User #163523
Re: [Cooker] IMO: How Mandrake 9.1 Can Be The 'Killer App' forDesktop Linux
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:01:27 +0200 Buchan Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Speaking of scanners, someone needs to look at making saned (a killer > application, sharing a scanner under windows is impossible, but can be > done under linux with some effort at present) easier to setup. > > [...] Would that be done with a saned entry in /etc/xinetd/ ? I wouldn't know how to have saned.conf opened up for host on the local network, maybe that should still be done manual then. Default it doesn't allow any hosts. -- Marcel Pol Linux 2.4.21-pre2.1mdk-ringworld.2, up 1 day, 17 Registered User #163523
