Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
On Fri, 2002-03-22 at 11:12, Frederic Bastok wrote: StarOffice 6 final will be available in PowerPack and Prosuite without any additionnal costs. This is the full version in 5 languages. In the next days, you should hear about another way to get StarOffice from Mandrake (final and full version). Wait see Mandrake's PR. Of course, I won't (and nobody will at Mandrake) answer any questions regarding the agreement with SUN to distribute it or comments rumors like Is SUN buying Mandrake ? Perhaps it is true, perhaps it is wrong ? :-) Anyway, it's SUNs interest to have as many people as possible using StarOffice... After all, they are fighting the Big Microsoft Giant... And having it licensed to Linux distributors for inclusion in boxed distribution is a good thing for both (Sun and Linux company). It's using Linux market to infiltrate Windows Market (for places where both enviroments are in use). -- Denis Moreaux ICQ#2012432 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] HTTP: http://endor.be/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
On Tuesday 26 March 2002 17:45, you wrote: On Tue, 2002-03-26 at 09:31, Frederic Bastok wrote: Taken for the EULA: 2. Linux End User License To Use. Subject to the terms and conditions of this Agreement, if you are a Linux operating system end user and you received the Software as part of a Linux operating system bundle, Sun grants you a non-exclusive and non-transferable license for the internal use only of the accompanying unmodified binary form of the Software. Actually, that is what I'm afraid of. I'm not the only end-user. I'm an admin and wanted to know what kind of licensing for this and Hancom for multiple users in a company. For StarOffice, you can put on an unlimited number of computers in your company, you only pay one license (if you buy it from Mandrake). For Handcom, I don't know -- Frederic Bastok
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
--- Frederic Bastok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we don't have any plans for a sparc version :~( What would it take for one to be created? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
On Tuesday 26 March 2002 01:17, you wrote: On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 16:38, Gwenole Beauchesne wrote: Final version, of course. What does your OEM agreement say about licensing? One install per download, or one install per multiple of $120, or multiple installs but only for personal use of the MdkClub member, or... (?) I would love to not be posting to the #$@#!! cooker list about this, but since Mdk has awful contact info on their sites. Taken for the EULA: 2. Linux End User License To Use. Subject to the terms and conditions of this Agreement, if you are a Linux operating system end user and you received the Software as part of a Linux operating system bundle, Sun grants you a non-exclusive and non-transferable license for the internal use only of the accompanying unmodified binary form of the Software. So you pay once and you can put it on every computers -- Frederic Bastok
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
On Tue, 2002-03-26 at 09:31, Frederic Bastok wrote: Taken for the EULA: 2. Linux End User License To Use. Subject to the terms and conditions of this Agreement, if you are a Linux operating system end user and you received the Software as part of a Linux operating system bundle, Sun grants you a non-exclusive and non-transferable license for the internal use only of the accompanying unmodified binary form of the Software. Actually, that is what I'm afraid of. I'm not the only end-user. I'm an admin and wanted to know what kind of licensing for this and Hancom for multiple users in a company. I've sent queries to Denis, but no answers. sigh -- Brad Felmey
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
On Tuesday 26 March 2002 00:55, you wrote: --- Frederic Bastok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we don't have any plans for a sparc version :~( What would it take for one to be created? time, ressources and money. usually we say that porting Mandrake to a new platform costs 40% of the global budget. The last 60% come from supporting platform in the long term (security update and so on). -- Frederic Bastok
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
On Saturday 23 March 2002 16:01, you wrote: On Friday 22 March 2002 18:12, Frederic Bastok wrote: Of course, I won't (and nobody will at Mandrake) answer any questions regarding the agreement with SUN to distribute it or comments rumors like Is SUN buying Mandrake ? Perhaps it is true, perhaps it is wrong ? :-) It must be true, I emailed Sun about 3 months ago and suggested it. (-: Would that help or hinder the release of Mandrake 8.2 for Sparc? I ask because I may soon be faced with adminning some Sun Blades, and would rather admin Linux than Solaris, and am more familiar with Mandrake than Debian. we don't have any plans for a sparc version -- Frederic Bastok
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
Of course, I won't (and nobody will at Mandrake) answer any questions regarding the agreement with SUN to distribute it or comments rumors like Is SUN buying Mandrake ? Perhaps it is true, perhaps it is wrong ? :-) It must be true, I emailed Sun about 3 months ago and suggested it. (-: Would that help or hinder the release of Mandrake 8.2 for Sparc? Go ahead. Install RedHat start porting cooker yourself. Nobody is going to stop you :-) Stefan
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 16:38, Gwenole Beauchesne wrote: Final version, of course. What does your OEM agreement say about licensing? One install per download, or one install per multiple of $120, or multiple installs but only for personal use of the MdkClub member, or... (?) I would love to not be posting to the #$@#!! cooker list about this, but since Mdk has awful contact info on their sites. -- Brad Felmey
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, It must be true, I emailed Sun about 3 months ago and suggested it. (-: So long as Sun let the Mandrakers stay semi-independent, it probably *would* be a good thing. Certainly Sun could help move Linux to higher end systems, and have a suitable replacement to offer as more and more people move away from Solaris. For Mandrake, it would mean they probably would have enough funds to go on for a long time, would finally get a working out-of-the-box Java setup for Konqi, and would have the opportunity to support highend boxen. Would that help or hinder the release of Mandrake 8.2 for Sparc? I ask because I may soon be faced with adminning some Sun Blades, and would rather admin Linux than Solaris, and am more familiar with Mandrake than Debian. Hmm... Debian isn't so bad if you can get past the installation. Otherwise, I did a search on Google, and turned up the fact that you can download SuSE Linux 7.3 for SPARC (ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/sparc/7.3/iso/)... you can also read more Linux/SPARC stuff at http://www.ultralinux.org/ . -Tim - - -- - - Timothy R. Butler[EMAIL PROTECTED] Universal Networks http://www.uninet.info Christian Portal and Search Tool: http://www.faithtree.com Open Source Migration Guide: http://www.ofb.biz = Christian Web Services Since 1996 == - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8n4OFK37Cns9gJ0gRAoAiAJ4qi3upOEMAB5u3dTduLDa/3WO7zACgkX0K wKMODKqwMAcEMrQfvP3gRXg= =aSzr - -END PGP SIGNATURE- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8n/TKK37Cns9gJ0gRAmFJAJ0Yp8VLM4vIb/ZAXMnnl35X0JMwPACfUZNl hATnZY//VfuJWLVATlFIhJE= =dv38 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
On Friday 22 March 2002 18:12, Frederic Bastok wrote: Of course, I won't (and nobody will at Mandrake) answer any questions regarding the agreement with SUN to distribute it or comments rumors like Is SUN buying Mandrake ? Perhaps it is true, perhaps it is wrong ? :-) It must be true, I emailed Sun about 3 months ago and suggested it. (-: Would that help or hinder the release of Mandrake 8.2 for Sparc? I ask because I may soon be faced with adminning some Sun Blades, and would rather admin Linux than Solaris, and am more familiar with Mandrake than Debian. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
On Thursday 21 March 2002 18:11, Timothy R. Butler wrote: I thought no comment just meant that I would not answer the question No ? Is it that you personally don't know/want to answer the question, or all of MandrakeSoft can't? I'd sure hate to get my PowerPack and find out I have to pay another hundred bucks to use the copy of StarOffice that was suppose to be included... If SO6 is an additional cost, Mandrake should *really* fix that page on their site, because it would be very deceptive. Then again, I can't imagine MandrakeSoft doing something like that... wild speculationMaybe Sun is buying Mandrake and so Mandrake doesn't have to pay licensing fees?/wild speculation StarOffice 6 final will be available in PowerPack and Prosuite without any additionnal costs. This is the full version in 5 languages. In the next days, you should hear about another way to get StarOffice from Mandrake (final and full version). Wait see Mandrake's PR. Of course, I won't (and nobody will at Mandrake) answer any questions regarding the agreement with SUN to distribute it or comments rumors like Is SUN buying Mandrake ? Perhaps it is true, perhaps it is wrong ? :-) -- Frederic Bastok
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
I respect mdk, will not answer what deal they have made. The reason why I asked it, was will it be a full license, i.e. for commercial use. On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 19:20, andre wrote: Op donderdag 21 maart 2002 12:51, schreef u: That's interesting, are you not commenting on 'what is that supposed to mean?' or are you just explaing that no comment means exactly the same as 'no comment', which ofcourse the asker of the question already understood. Therefore, assuming that you do not want to comment on the question what no comment means, can you answer why you cannot comment on this question? :-Danny On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Frederic Bastok wrote: On Thursday 21 March 2002 00:58, you wrote: 4:25pm... Frederic Bastok ran for the door shrieking: On Wednesday 20 March 2002 13:28, you wrote: So is MDK paying the license fee then? No comment What's that supposed to mean? No comment I don't think you should ask what deal Mandrake has made with Sun because you know that that question wont be answered. Only question i have is it a full license (exept maybe that mdk does the support) or are is it a lesser license _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
On Thu Mar 21 9:14 +0100, trax wrote: I commented, as I hear Sun will charge around $100 for the license. So how MDK will include this, seems a fair bit of whack. It's fairly standard to offer bulk licensees a vastly reduced price. With several thousand users, Mandrake probably has to pay something, but less than $100. This is kind of similar to M$'s bulk discounts (especially to OEMs). I would doubt that Dell or Gateway pays more than $40 for Windows or $75 for Office. -- Levi Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] When it comes down to desperation, You make the best of your situation. Linux 2.4.17-20mdk 12:01am up 1 day, 6:35, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
I commented, as I hear Sun will charge around $100 for the license. So how MDK will include this, seems a fair bit of whack. On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 00:58, Michael Holt wrote: 4:25pm... Frederic Bastok ran for the door shrieking: On Wednesday 20 March 2002 13:28, you wrote: So is MDK paying the license fee then? No comment What's that supposed to mean? Mike -- Michael Tracy Holt Kirkland, WA[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.holt-tech.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Unix is all about taking big rocks and turning them into little rocks - Windows is all about taking sand... and dumping it in your gas tank... _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
i got this mail recently *** PRIVACY STATEMENT This message has been sent to you on behalf of Sun Microsystems, Inc. using MarketModel's e-mail service. This message is being sent to those of you who downloaded StarOffice beta software that is set to expire. Sun Microsystems values your online time and privacy. To stop receiving such messages, particularly those sent in these exceptional circumstances, please click here to be removed from the mailing list. If you have any questions regarding our privacy policy, please visit http://www.sun.com/privacy/ or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions regarding this e-mail, please send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear StarOffice 6.0 Beta Software User, As beta products are designed to run for a limited period of time, the StarOffice 6.0 beta product is set to expire on Sunday, March 31, 2002. Sun is providing a free patch to extend the life of the beta software until June 3. Please visit http://www.sun.com/staroffice/so6beta_patch.html to download the StarOffice 6.0 Beta software patch. The beta patch will help you avoid interruptions to any of the StarOffice 6..0 Beta applications you may be using. The patch will keep your software running and ease the transition from the beta product to the final retail product, planned for release in May. Again, the patch download can be found at http://www..sun.com/staroffice/so6beta_patch.html. Thank you. The StarOffice Team Copyright 2002 Sun Microsystems, Inc. All rights reserved. Sun, Sun Microsystems, and StarOffice, are trademarks or registered trademarks of Sun Microsystems, Inc. in the United States and other countries. Powered by MarketModels it says in it May, which will be quite a wait for the pro power pack editions... On Wednesday 20 March 2002 3:25 pm, you wrote: On Wednesday 20 March 2002 13:28, you wrote: So is MDK paying the license fee then? No comment On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 23:38, Gwenole Beauchesne wrote: Hi, only a short question. Will Mandrake really put a full version of StarOffice 6.0 in there PowerPack or ProPack or would it be a BETA Version??? Final version, of course. Sun will announce StarOffice 6.0 soonish this week. Bye, Gwenole. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
That's interesting, are you not commenting on 'what is that supposed to mean?' or are you just explaing that no comment means exactly the same as 'no comment', which ofcourse the asker of the question already understood. Therefore, assuming that you do not want to comment on the question what no comment means, can you answer why you cannot comment on this question? :-Danny On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Frederic Bastok wrote: On Thursday 21 March 2002 00:58, you wrote: 4:25pm... Frederic Bastok ran for the door shrieking: On Wednesday 20 March 2002 13:28, you wrote: So is MDK paying the license fee then? No comment What's that supposed to mean? No comment
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
On Thursday 21 March 2002 12:51, you wrote: That's interesting, are you not commenting on 'what is that supposed to mean?' or are you just explaing that no comment means exactly the same as 'no comment', which ofcourse the asker of the question already understood. Therefore, assuming that you do not want to comment on the question what no comment means, can you answer why you cannot comment on this question? :-Danny I thought no comment just meant that I would not answer the question No ? On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Frederic Bastok wrote: On Thursday 21 March 2002 00:58, you wrote: 4:25pm... Frederic Bastok ran for the door shrieking: On Wednesday 20 March 2002 13:28, you wrote: So is MDK paying the license fee then? No comment What's that supposed to mean? No comment -- Frederic Bastok
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
I thought no comment just meant that I would not answer the question No ? Is it that you personally don't know/want to answer the question, or all of MandrakeSoft can't? I'd sure hate to get my PowerPack and find out I have to pay another hundred bucks to use the copy of StarOffice that was suppose to be included... If SO6 is an additional cost, Mandrake should *really* fix that page on their site, because it would be very deceptive. Then again, I can't imagine MandrakeSoft doing something like that... wild speculationMaybe Sun is buying Mandrake and so Mandrake doesn't have to pay licensing fees?/wild speculation -Tim -- Timothy R. Butler[EMAIL PROTECTED] Universal Networks http://www.uninet.info Christian Portal and Search Tool: http://www.faithtree.com Open Source Migration Guide: http://www.ofb.biz = Christian Web Services Since 1996 ==
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
Op donderdag 21 maart 2002 12:51, schreef u: That's interesting, are you not commenting on 'what is that supposed to mean?' or are you just explaing that no comment means exactly the same as 'no comment', which ofcourse the asker of the question already understood. Therefore, assuming that you do not want to comment on the question what no comment means, can you answer why you cannot comment on this question? :-Danny On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Frederic Bastok wrote: On Thursday 21 March 2002 00:58, you wrote: 4:25pm... Frederic Bastok ran for the door shrieking: On Wednesday 20 March 2002 13:28, you wrote: So is MDK paying the license fee then? No comment What's that supposed to mean? No comment I don't think you should ask what deal Mandrake has made with Sun because you know that that question wont be answered. Only question i have is it a full license (exept maybe that mdk does the support) or are is it a lesser license
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
I don't think you should ask what deal Mandrake has made with Sun because you know that that question wont be answered. Only question i have is it a full license (exept maybe that mdk does the support) or are is it a lesser license Yes, I agree. It seems only fair to know what we are buying when we purchase a powerpack. - Tim -- Timothy R. Butler[EMAIL PROTECTED] Universal Networks http://www.uninet.info Christian Portal and Search Tool: http://www.faithtree.com Open Source Migration Guide: http://www.ofb.biz = Christian Web Services Since 1996 ==
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
I don't think you should ask what deal Mandrake has made with Sun because you know that that question wont be answered. Only question i have is it a full license (exept maybe that mdk does the support) or are is it a lesser license I think it is the good question. When you buy the powerpack, do you have a full version of SO 6.0 ? Because, If it is the true, when I can buy the powerpack :-)) JP
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
On Tuesday 19 March 2002 23:25, you wrote: Hi, only a short question. Will Mandrake really put a full version of StarOffice 6.0 in there PowerPack or ProPack or would it be a BETA Version??? Michael Final :-) -- Frederic Bastok
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
So is MDK paying the license fee then? On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 23:38, Gwenole Beauchesne wrote: Hi, only a short question. Will Mandrake really put a full version of StarOffice 6.0 in there PowerPack or ProPack or would it be a BETA Version??? Final version, of course. Sun will announce StarOffice 6.0 soonish this week. Bye, Gwenole. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
On Wednesday 20 March 2002 13:28, you wrote: So is MDK paying the license fee then? No comment On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 23:38, Gwenole Beauchesne wrote: Hi, only a short question. Will Mandrake really put a full version of StarOffice 6.0 in there PowerPack or ProPack or would it be a BETA Version??? Final version, of course. Sun will announce StarOffice 6.0 soonish this week. Bye, Gwenole. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Frederic Bastok
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
4:25pm... Frederic Bastok ran for the door shrieking: On Wednesday 20 March 2002 13:28, you wrote: So is MDK paying the license fee then? No comment What's that supposed to mean? Mike -- Michael Tracy Holt Kirkland, WA[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.holt-tech.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Unix is all about taking big rocks and turning them into little rocks - Windows is all about taking sand... and dumping it in your gas tank...
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
Hi, only a short question. Will Mandrake really put a full version of StarOffice 6.0 in there PowerPack or ProPack or would it be a BETA Version??? Final version, of course. Sun will announce StarOffice 6.0 soonish this week. Bye, Gwenole.
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
Michael Braun wrote: Hi, only a short question. Will Mandrake really put a full version of StarOffice 6.0 in there PowerPack or ProPack or would it be a BETA Version??? Michael It's real, not beta, according to SUN. Whether you consider it BETA or not is up to you. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] MDK 8.2 and StarOffice 6
On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 19:53, Timothy R. Butler wrote: It's real, not beta, according to SUN. Whether you consider it BETA or not is up to you. OpenOffice is on one of the PowerPack CD's too, right? OpenOffice is on disc 3 of the download edition. (At least it was in beta 4.)
